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From YouTube: 11-3-22 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission on Thursday, November 3, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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We
weren't
here,
okay,
any
abstentions
and
is
Chris
on
the
line.
No
okay,
I
will
first
I
will
read
through
the
consented
agenda
items.
The
first
item
is
requesting
a
continuance.
I'll
read
it
and
then
we'll
vote
on
it.
Requests
from
The
Oaks
on
floor,
represented
by
Adam
snernen
for
review
and
approval
of
a
preliminary
preliminary
plot,
Oaks
on
floor
0.94
Acres
of
property
at
three
zero
two
zero
floor
drive
for
development
of
a
fifteen
one
household
residential
lots.
They
would
like
to
continue
to
the
November
17th
meeting.
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All
right
item:
one
will
be
continued
item
number
two
request
from
Jeff
and
Mary
Sparling
represented
by
Adam
Sanden
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
11,
Foster
Drive
and
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
to
allow
for
construction
of
a
240
square
foot
covered
deck
in
the
rear
yard
within
six
feet
of
the
rear
property
line.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
that
would
like
to
hear
this
item?
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Number
three
request
from
Joanne
Hughes
represented
by
Mike
science
for
review
and
approval
of
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
at
217,
East,
Broad
Street
and
for
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
for
the
Reconstruction
of
an
existing
350
square
foot
attached
garage
within
one
foot
of
the
side,
Lot
line
when
a
minimum
seven
foot
setback
is
required.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item?
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We
do
have
item
number
four
that
could
potentially
get
moved,
I'll,
read
it
and
then
see
if
anyone
would
like
to
hear
it
tonight,
a
request
from
Alejandro
Munoz
De
La
Cruz
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
1117
26th
Street
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM
rezone
property
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
n52
Neighborhood
District,
to
allow
reuse
of
the
existing
structure
for
duplex
use.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
is
here
for
that
item
that
you
wish
to
speak
on
it.
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And
I
can
I
can
see
if
Chris
is
on
the
line.
Yet
no
okay,
okay,
we'll
give
up
on
it.
Okay,
all
right!
We'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
items:
item
number
five
request
from
Don
Carpenter
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
at
1600,
Guthrie
Ave
for
type
2
design,
alternative
to
allow
construction
of
a
960
square
foot
metal,
clad
accessory
building
within
the
rear
yard,
where
exterior
material
should
match
the
primary
structure
and
Kyle
will
be
presenting.
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Some
specifications
from
the
manufacturer
on
the
building
a
couple
things
to
note
here:
the
the
roof
would
be
black.
The
siding
would
be
gray
with
white
trim,
which
would
generally
match
the
colors
of
the
house.
However,
because
it
is
a
metal
structure,
the
code
requires
that
the
exterior
materials
match
the
the
character
of
the
existing
dwelling.
So
obviously
the
metal
finishes
don't
match
that
of
the
primary
structure,
which
is
what
is
triggering
the
type
2
design
alternative.
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We
have
had
a
few
similar
cases
come
forward
in
the
last
year,
or
so
with
applicants
requesting
relief
of
the
code
requirements
to
do
these
metal
buildings
staff
has
been
pretty
consistent
in
terms
of
recommending
denial.
So
tonight
we
are
also
recommending
Denial
on
this
project
as
well,
just
on
the
basis
that
it
doesn't
match
the
character
of
the
existing
house.
Looking
around
the
neighborhood,
there
are
a
number
of
detached
garages
in
the
neighborhood.
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However,
those
detached
garages
are
primarily
all
wood,
framed
with
asphalt,
shingles
and
lap
siding
to
match
the
houses
so
we're
recommending
denial
of
this
project.
We
did
send
out
comment
cards
to
Property
Owners
within
250
feet.
We
did
not
receive
any
cards
back,
but
that
notification
was
made
any
questions
before
I
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
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The
size
of
the
structure
because
of
the
lot
was
a
corner
lot,
a
slightly
larger
than
kind
of
standard
lot.
For
this
neighborhood,
the
24
by
40
size,
fell
within
the
compliant
size
for
their
rear
yard
area.
So
there
wasn't
any
issues
there.
It
really
was
just
the
materials
that
they're
proposing
for
that
steel
structure.
That
was
the
issue.
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Okay
yeah,
my
name
is
Don
Carpenter
I
live
at
1600
Guthrie
Avenue
we've
lived
there
for
33
years.
I've
reached
five
children
through
there.
So
this
is
a
great
time,
basically
I'm
doing
remodeling
in
my
house,
so
we're
remodeling,
the
updating,
the
kitchen
bathroom.
We
put
a
new
roof
on
doors,
concrete,
remove,
trees.
You
know
just
kind
of
it
says
it
on
that.
Little
thing
there,
but
it
is
it
is.
It
is
metal,
siding
on
the
house
itself.
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So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
or
doesn't
help,
but
it
is
metal
siding
on
the
house.
It's
been
repainted,
we've
repainted
it
three
times.
Now
we
just
recently
repainted
it
like
I
said
it
has
a
new
roof.
New
Gutters
New
soffits,
just
you
know,
like
I,
said
I'm
at
an
age
where
I
don't
want
to
mess
with
it,
no
more
so
I'm
at
60..
This
is
going
to
be
somewhere
we're
going
to
retire.
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So,
like
I
said
we're
trying
to
do
all
the
updates,
make
it
real
easy
for
my
wife
to
get
in
the
house.
You
know
with
that
exterior
garage
there
and
right
off
the
kitchen
area
and
that's
about
it.
But
do
you
have
any
questions,
I,
guess
of
other
than
it's
a
metal
garage?
It's
definitely
better
than
most
wooden
garages,
the
wooden
garage
that
I
have
seen
in
my
area
either.
You
know
five
to
six
years.
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They're
already,
you
know
falling
apart
or
siding
has
fallen
down
or
the
roof
itself's,
not
very
good,
but
I
did
do
my
due
diligence
and
if
you
look
in
that
little
packet
I
showed
other
in
my
area
of
houses
that
do
have
metal
garage.
There's
one
not
far
from
me,
has
two
metal
buildings
in
their
in
their
property
and
I
mean
they
definitely
look
better
than
all
the
garages
around
there.
So.
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Yeah,
like
you,
said
the
the
it's
going
to
look
just
like
the
house
itself
I,
you
know
there
isn't
much
difference
other
than
I.
Don't
know
there
isn't
much
difference
and
it's
all
metal
I
mean
they're.
The
roof
itself
isn't
going
to
be.
You
know,
asphalt,
roof,
it's
it's
a
metal
roof
which,
like
I,
said
it's
definitely
more
Superior
all
the
way
around
and
the
doors
are
going
to
match.
I
mean
the
whole
whole
plane.
It's
definitely
going
to
match
and
for
the
big
reason
for
part
of
this
garage,
too,
is
during
covid.
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B
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And
I'm,
assuming
somewhere
in
that
packet,
30
pages,
said
somewhere
in
there
exactly
how
and
it
might
be
streamlined.
I
mean
I'm
assuming
for
a
holiday
purposes.
You
know
it
might
be
20
feet
or
something
I
know
when
they
do
gutters
you
can.
If
you
do
it
on
site,
you
can
go
longer,
but
for
sure,
if
you
get
it,
you
know
it's
going
to
be
a
package
coming
in.
You
know:
I'm
assuming
the
20
some
feet,
I
guess.
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I
think
it
would
be
better
for
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
it'd
be
better
for
the
general
look,
it's
it
quite
frankly.
This
is
a
this
is
a
well-maintained
residential
area.
It's
adjacent
to
Thompson
Avenue,
it's
a
prominent
situation,
not
a
corner
location
and
according
to
our
the
drawings.
Here
it
has
a
big
look
to
it.
So,
whatever,
however,
it's
built
and
I
certainly
am
in
favor
of
you
know,
the
construction
I
think
the
you
know
the
way
it
Blends
into
the
neighborhood
or
doesn't
is
a
real
consideration.
I
I'm
somewhat
conflicted
I
understand,
there's
a
need,
oh
I,
especially
in
rural
areas.
You
see
a
lot
of
metal
buildings
but
and
I
understand
it.
His
matching
colors
does
be
tend
to
reduce
the
commercial
look
on
it,
but
still
I,
don't
think.
That's
strong
enough
to
go
against
our
staff's
recommendations,
so
I'm
open
to
after
thinking
about
it.
Just
move
staff.
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The
final
item
is
more
of
a
discussion
point
with
Jason,
but
we
do
have
to
vote
on
it.
It's
a
consideration
of
a
proposed
city-initiated
amendment
to
Des
Moines
municipal
code
relating
to
accessory
structures
and
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zoning
district
and
design
Alternatives
relating
to
permitted
accessory
structures
and
I
I.
Believe
Jason
is
going
to
be
the
one
talking
about.
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Yes,
yes,
thank
you,
I'll
do
I'll,
have
them
run
the
mouse
as
needed.
So
I
appreciate
that,
but
chair
members,
commissioner
Jason
Van
nessen,
the
city's
planning
staff.
We
have
an
amendment
before
you
tonight
we're
looking
for
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
carry
this
forward
on
the
city.
Council
pertains
to
accessory
structures
in
chapter
135,
where
what
districts
they
line
up
with
that
the
the
ordinance
as
it
stands
today
does
not
account
for
the
flood
District
that
was
in
our.
B
That
was
an
oversight
in
our
estimation,
so
we
are
wanting
to
bring
that
in.
But
the
biggest
reason
we
brought
this
forward
is
that
we've
realized
that
there's
a
need
to
have
the
design
alternative
relief
process
available
to
accessory
structures.
We've
had
some
examples
of
where
we've
required
rezonings
that
maybe
it
would
have
been
better
just
because
of
a
accessory
structure,
and
it
would
have
been
better
to
handle
it
by
just
offering
relief
to
that
structure.
B
We've
had
cases
where
we've
had
to
review
accessory
buildings
as
a
primary
structure,
because
we
had
no
mechanism
to
handle
them.
Otherwise
this
is
so.
This
is
an
important
it's,
a
small
change
in
one
table,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
change
to
help
us
give
people
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
and
ask
for
relief
if
it
so
happens
that
they
are
proposing
an
accessory
structure.
That
is
not
nor
you
know,
permitted
otherwise
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
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B
The
last
meeting
we
had
presented
a
draft
schedule
for
2023
to
you
and
after
the
meeting
we
realized
that
we
should
have
spent
a
little
more
time
thinking
about
the
date
in
March,
both
from
the
fact
that
we
were,
we
would
have
met
during
the
Spring.
That
schedule
would
have
us
meet
during
spring
break,
which
can
be
a
challenge
both
on
the
staff
and
and
then
also
on
getting
Quorum
for
the
commission.
B
The
other
thing
is
that
March
has
there's
an
extra
Thursday
and
in
2023,
so
it
works
out
really
nice
for
us
just
to
slide
the
meeting
date
to
the
23rd,
we'll
we'll
still
have
that
nice
rhythm
of
you
know
two
meetings
in
the
month,
it'll
be
a
couple
weeks
away
from
the
April
meeting.
So
with
that
I'm
asking
for
a
motion
to
approve
this
amended
calendar
or
or
discussion.