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From YouTube: 3-23-22 Zoning Board of Adjustment
Description
Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, March 23, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/ZBOAatHome
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A
A
A
B
B
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
des
moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
the
board
by
the
city
council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
receive
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'm
going
to
take
a
moment
here
and
introduce
our
board
members
today
on.
The
audience's
right
is
tom.
Dicio
next
to
him
is
dave.
Gere
next
to
dave
is
rhonda
cedillo
on
the
audience's
left
is
justin
gross
next
to
him
is
marlis
jones
and
I'm
mel
pins
the
board
chair.
B
Now
this
is
a
seven
member
board
and
six
of
us
are
here
and
I'm
guessing
that
nathan
blake
might
be
arriving
shortly.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
should
have
a
full
board
today,
I'll
take
a
moment
here
and
introduce
our
city
staff,
who
will
be
assisting
us
with
today's
hearing
on
my
left,
is
judy
parks,
cruz,
legal
counsel
to
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment,
assisting
her
is
lisa
wieland,
also
legal
counsel
for
city
of
des
moines,
we'll
have
presentations
and
assistance
today
from
frank,
dun,
young
senior
city,
planner,
bert
drost,
the
deputy
planning
administrator
and
nick
tarpy
assistant
planner
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
B
I
think
this
is
nick's
first
meeting
with
us
and
also
eric
lundy
zoning
enforcement
officer
and
tyler
hall,
our
meeting
moderator
I'm
going
to
cover
the
meetings
procedure
here.
For
some
of
you.
This
may
be
the
first
time
you're
in
front
of
us.
You
may
hope
it's
the
only
time,
you're
in
front
of
us,
but
we'll
help
you
through
our
process
here
today.
So
I'll
give
you
a
little
background
here,
but
as
we
move
through
the
agenda,
we'll
help
you
along
so
don't
be
worried
about
the
process.
B
First
and
foremost,
this
board
is
a
quasi-legal
board.
This
hearing
will
be
conducted
within
the
procedures
and
format
as
authorized
by
iowa
law
and
this
city's
ordinances.
The
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
The
meeting
is
being
recorded
by
both
audio
and
video
for
a
legal
record
of
these
proceedings.
B
B
B
So
we'll
come
back
to
consent
agenda
in
just
a
minute,
but
that's
the
background
for
that
portion
for
the
regular
portion
of
the
agenda.
After
an
item
has
been
announced,
city
staff
will
first
give
an
overview
of
the
appeal
and
present
any
written
comments
that
have
been
received
prior
to
the
hearing,
then
the
applicant
or
their
representative
will
be
allowed
up
to
10
minutes
to
present
their
appeal.
B
We'll
then
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
anyone
wanting
to
speak
in
support
of
in
opposition
to
or
in
neutrality
of
an
appeal
will
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
present
their
comments.
This
will
be
their
one
and
only
opportunity
to
address
the
board
on
that
agenda
item
once
all
concerned.
Citizens
have
spoken
on
the
agenda
item.
The
board
will
then
ask
any
additional
questions
of
city
staff
and
finally,
if
needed
the
well,
it
will
be
needed.
B
After
all,
testimony
has
been
given
the
board.
Will
then
close
any
further
public
comment
on
the
agenda
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request
and
will
make
a
decision
on
the
appeal
here
today.
Please
note
that
it
always
takes
at
least
four
affirmative
votes
for
any
zoning
appeal
to
gain
approval.
B
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
any
presentation,
is
part
of
the
permanent
record.
You
may
contact
city
staff
after
the
hearing,
if
you'd,
like
a
copy
of
anything
that
was
presented
today
and
finally,
just
some
quick
housekeeping
items.
We'd
ask
that
you
please
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
limit
distractions
during
the
hearing.
You're
doing
a
fine
job
with
that.
B
Please
ensure
your
cell
phone
has
also
been
silenced,
and
if
you
need
to
use
a
restroom,
just
walk
back
through
the
doors
here,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
downstairs
just
to
the
right
of
the
staircase
down
the
hallway.
There
are
restrooms
and
once
the
agenda
item
you're
interested
in
has
been
completed,
you're
welcome
to
leave
the
meeting,
we'll
have
a
five
minute
break
in
the
hearing
around
three
o'clock
or
thereafter,
if
that
might
be
needed.
B
And
we
have
three
items
or
four
items:
five
items:
five
items
on
our
consent
agenda,
I'm
just
going
to
read
those
quickly
item.
One
is
a
conditional
use.
Permit
request
at
3312,
east
granger
avenue
item
two
is
a
zoning
exception
review
at
6128,
willowmere
drive
item
three
is
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
1680
e
17th
street
item
four
is
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
1420,
locust
street
and
item
five?
B
So
is
there
anybody
here
in
the
audience
that
would
be
opposed
to
this
board,
granting
approval
for
those
five
items
I've
listed.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
just
take
a
hand
pull
here.
If
there's
anybody
in
the
audience
opposed
to
granting
approval
for
item
one,
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
3312,
east
granger
raise
your
hand.
Anybody
opposed
to
that
and
if
anybody's
opposed
will
take
it
off
the
consent
agenda
and
then
we'll
hear
the
item
and
take
testimony
on
any
concerns.
B
Anybody
opposed
to
granting
approval
for
item
two.
A
zoning
exception
request
at
6128,
willowmere
drive,
okay,
seeing
none
item
three
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
for
1680,
east
17th
street
and
the
opposition
to
that
all
right.
Seeing
none
item
four
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
at
1420
locust
street.
If
anybody
would
be
concerned
with
granting
approval,
for
that,
please
raise
your
hand,
see
none
item.
Five
is
a
zoning
exception
request
at
3,
000,
south
east
14th
street.
Anybody
opposed
to
that
all
right.
Seeing
none
in
the
audience
frank!
B
C
B
All
right,
thank
you,
marlis,
and
welcome,
and
thank
you
for
your
second
nathan,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
granting
approval
for
items
one
through
five,
as
presented
and
subject
to
staff
recommendations.
Raise
your
right
hand
say
I
okay.
That
motion
carries
seven
to
zero
okay.
So
if
you
were
here
for
items,
one
through
five
they've
been
approved,
you're
going
to
need
about
a
wait
about
a
week
or
so
and
you'll
get
a
copy
of
that
decision
in
order
and
we'll
go
from
there.
B
Okay
that'll
bring
us
to
our
regular
portion
of
the
hearing
where
we'll
hear
presentations
by
staff
as
well
as
appellants,
and
then
those
of
interest
in
the
item
so
item
six
is
a
reconsideration
of
a
conditional
use,
permit
request
at
2617
ingersoll
avenue,
so
that
request
was
initiated
by
the
city's
zoning
enforcement
officer,
mr
eric
lundy,
so
we'll
have
eric
present
first
on
that
item
and
before
he
begins
tom,
do
you
have
something
you
want
to
add.
A
A
B
D
Mr
chair
members
of
the
board,
can
you
hear
me
on
the
mic?
Okay,
very
well
item
six.
This
is
a
application
or
petition
on
my
part
to
the
board
that
was
filed.
This
came
about
in
the
process.
The
operator
of
the
premise
at
2617,
ingersoll
avenue
had
made
application
for
renewal
of
the
class
c
liquor
license
through
the
city
council
in
the
state
of
iowa.
D
When
that
matter
came
up
on
the
agenda.
A
number
of
neighbors
raised
questions
about
activity
in
the
recent
months
at
the
premise-
and
I
requested
then
that
that
item
be
pulled
for
consideration.
What
what
happens
there
is
that
that's
given
timely
consideration
that
doesn't
close
them
down
immediately
or
anything
like
that
they're
still
operating
under
the
provisions
of
their
liquor
license
and
then
the
it
allows
the
city
council
to
take
it
up
after
I
was
able
to
do
research
on
the
issues
and
then
bring
it
in
front
of
the
board
of
adjustments.
D
D
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
in
recent
days
since
the
packet
went
out,
staff
is
amenable
to
not
recommending
revoking
at
this
point,
but
working
with
the
owners
and
operators
based
on
interactions
they
had
with
the
neighborhood
group.
However,
you
may
hear
other
evidence
in
this
hearing
from
neighbors
that
may
still
compel
you
to
take
that
action.
D
So
those
are
kind
of
your
general
courses
of
action
that
you
will
be
considering
in
this
matter.
D
All
right,
so
this
is
a
vicinity
map
the
the
property
question,
2617
ingersoll,
the
western
bay
of
the
building
on
the
property
at
2615,
which
is
the
entire
parcel
that
I'm
outlining
with
the
cursor
here.
D
This
is
my
application
made
to
the
board,
which
is
by
the
code
I'm
obligated
to
do
within
30
days
of
prior
to
the
board.
Hearing,
that's
exhibit
a
I
did
highlight,
and
I
believe
I
highlighted
in
the
packet
materials
that
were
sent
to
the
board
the
provision
and
the
code
allowing
this
process
to
take
place.
D
D
D
D
That
the
other
thing
is
that
there
was
the
provision
at
that
time,
even
in
the
decision,
in
order
that
the
zoning
officer
could
bring
this
matter
back
before
the
board.
If
there
was
problems
with
outdoor
patio
or
any
pattern
of
violating
the
conditions
at
the
time,
it
was
determined
that
it
met
the
criteria
for
granting
a
conditional
use.
D
This
is
a
copy
of
the
notice
exhibit
e
again.
The
code
requires
us
to
provide
the
owner
and
interested
parties
with
the
30-day
window
a
copy
of
a
notice
that
would
be
advising
them
of
this
hearing,
including
a
map
that
would
show
that
I'm
going
to
see
if
I
can
rotate
this-
maybe
I
can't
this
is
a
this-
is
in
the
packet,
exhibit
f.
It
is
a
police
call
service
log
for
the
six
month
period.
D
From
the
time
I
initiated
the
application
basically
from
that
covers
the
period
from
august
first
2021
to
february
7th
2022.
D
and
lists
all
the
calls
based
on
that,
then
I
pulled
specific
service
reports
for
relevant
cases
that
that
were
important
to
this
matter,
exhibit
g
service
report
for
disturbing
the
peace
and
quiet
on
8
1
august,
1st
2021
exhibit
h
a
service
report
for
suspicious
activity
on
august
15,
2021
and
again.
These
are
all
in
the
materials
in
your
packet
and
we're
also
provided
to
the
interested
parties
exhibit.
D
I
a
service
report
for
august
19,
2021,
disturbance
of
peace
and
quiet
specifically
identified
noise
coming
from
the
bar
exhibit
j,
a
service
report
from
september
10,
2021
disturbing
the
peace
of
peace
and
quiet
the
yacht
club
is
is
too
loud.
It
was
in
in
the
report.
D
Exhibit
n
service
report
from
october
3rd
2021
giving
details
on
a
gunshots
that
were
occurring
in
the
vicinity
between
the
star
and
yacht
club
star
gas
station.
D
D
Exhibit
q
service
report
from
november
11th
2021
outlining
an
assault.
The
individual
was
still
in
the
bar
when
the
and
they
identified
that
the
police
were
to
meet
up
with
the
the
person
making
the
complaint
in
the
back
of
the
bar.
D
D
D
This
is
looking
at
the
back.
Actually,
the
building
on
the
left
would
be
a
car
wash.
I
believe,
in
the
building
on
the
right
would
be
the
eastern
side
of
the
building
on
the
premise
kind
of
giving
you
the
views
that
are
seen
from
the
neighborhood.
D
D
D
D
This
is
a
email
from
the
woodland
heights
organization
that
had
an
attached
letter,
and
this
is
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
couple
minutes
to
read
this,
because
this
was
not
included
in
your
packet
mailing,
so
I
will
and
then
zoom
in
on
it.
So
you
can
read
it
a
little
easier.
Is
that
big
enough.
D
It
is
a
letter
in
support
of
the
operation
of
the
yacht
club
continuing.
However,
they
do
want
to
ensure
that
the
conditional
use
would
be
amended
to
include
some
stipulations
that
are
already,
I
think,
in
furtherance
of
things
that
have
been
done
on
an
operational
level
by
the
the
yacht
club
as
occupant
in
recent
weeks.
C
D
E
You
are
able
to
do
that
and
then
it
would
come
back
and
then
you
could
grant
it
further
after
that
year.
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
probationary
period.
I
guess
is
what
I'd
analogize
it
to.
B
E
E
If
there
are
during
that
year
period,
they
it
does
not
have
to
wait
until
the
year
is
up.
Violations
would
be
able
to
just
like
this
one
come
back
in
front
of
you
more
quickly.
Okay,.
D
This
is
an
email
from
officer,
michael
moody,
where
he
sort
of
pointed
out
the
the
relevant
cases
that
were
in
the
police
log
that
that
are
pertained
to
the
yacht
club
premise
and
again
I'll.
Give
you
a
little
extra
time
to
look
at
that.
Most
of
those
are
the
there's
a
few
that
were
listed
on
the
11th
of
january,
that
weren't
in
the
log
that
I
had
earlier
that
he
must
have
included
because
they
were
related,
and
I
did
not
get
the
service
reports
on
those.
D
Then
there's
a
little
discussion
about
that.
Those
specific
incidents
that
you
can
read
there
below
the
list
of
calls.
D
D
D
There's
the
similar
provision
allowing
the
zoning
officer
to
bring
this
back
even
at
that
time
and
then,
furthermore,
in
the
c2
it
says
in
the
c2,
general
retail
and
highway
oriented
commercial
district,
but
it
it
was
brought
in
by
other
zoning
districts
as
a
reference.
D
D
So
in
2008
with
that
decision,
in
order,
it
was
determined
that
it
met
these
provisions,
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
current
standards,
which
includes
the
the
table
applicable
to
uses
and
what
what
requires
a
conditional
use,
what
the
distances
of
separation
are
in
the
table
and
then
in
similar
fashion,
it
has
criteria
required
for
all
conditional
uses.
So
these
would
be,
in
effect,
with
any
amendment
that
you
would
look
at
at
this
point
in
time.
D
D
At
the
time
this
was
written,
it
was
felt
that
the
that
these
activities
were
of
a
severity
that
it
would
warrant
revoking,
but
after
some
discussion,
interaction
with
both
the
owner,
the
operator
and
the
neighborhood
association,
if
the
board
is
amenable
to
amending
the
conditional
use,
staff
will
work
with
them.
The
recommendation
would
be
then.
If
that
was
the
case,
we
would
want
to
return
at
the
next
meeting
with
the
actual
language
of
this,
for
you
to
ratify,
and
that
was
actually
the
way
it
was
done
in
2008.
D
If
you
noticed
that
there
was
that
much
concern
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
wording,
certainly
you
can
take
an
action.
That's
would
describe
things
in
generality,
but
we
could
tighten
that
language
into
a
order
that
you
would
ratify
at
the
next
meeting.
If
that
was
the
direction
you
wanted
to
head,
you
still
have
to
hear
testimony
from
the
owners,
the
operators
neighbors
in
in
favor
neighbors,
against
that
we
did
get
a
few
cards.
D
One
of
the
things
that's
already
a
little
strange
is
when
it's
a
request
for
reconsideration
the
neighbors,
don't
necessarily
know.
Are
they
in
favor
of
the
reconsideration
or
are
they
in
favor
of
what
the
activity
being
asked
to
continue
is
so
you'll
have
to
read
those
with
a
grain
of
salt?
I
guess
they're
color
coded
based
on
their
response,
but
this
the
first
one
I
would
say
it's
unclear,
maybe
what
position
they
actually
took
without
any
specific
comments.
D
And
indicates
they're
in
favor,
I'm
assuming
they're
in
favor
of
the
reconsideration
and
then
the
third
one
has
indicated
they're,
not
in
favor
of
the
request,
but
it
also
outlines
concerns
from
the
neighborhood
perspective
about
the
operation
of
the
bar.
So.
D
This
is
a
schedule
of
the
how
this
should
transpire
from
here
forward
I've.
Given
my
presentation,
the
next
step
will
be
the
property
owner's
opportunity
to
have
10
minutes
and
the
business
owner.
They
can
use
that
time.
However
they
want
between
them,
then
it
will
be
speakers
in
support
of
our
action
to
enforce
change
to
the
reconsideration
of
the
conditional
use,
and
then
speakers
in
opposition,
and
then
speakers
neutral.
D
So
I
guess
and
there's
probably
a
lot
of
people
kind
of
in
that
middle
ground.
I
would
imagine
at
this
point
because
there's
probably
people
that
are
supportive
of
the
of
the
bar
remaining
open
but
have
concerns.
So
from
that
standpoint
I
guess
I
would
be
flexible
how
they
choose
to
to
categorize
themselves.
D
Then
you
can
ask
me
further
questions.
After
the
testimony,
then
I
will
have
an
opportunity
for
a
rebuttal
and
then
the
final
opportunity
from
the
property
owner
and
operator
would
be
given
for
rebuttal
at
that
point
in
time,
and
then
the
board
would
be
able
to
deliberate.
Following
that.
F
Eric,
I
noticed
in
the
in
the
pictures
the
show
in
the
back
of
the
parking
lot
there
at
some
point.
They
were
granted
permission
to
put
in
some
sort
of
patio.
Is
that
correct
back
there?
Do
you
were
you
aware
of?
Did
that
those
plans,
change
or
so.
D
In
2008,
the
request
was
for
a
patio
area
which
was
really
just
an
area
behind
the
building
at
ground
level.
At
that
time
they
did
make
modifications
more
recently
it
with
a
site
plan
that
sort
of
you
know
upgraded
the
stoops
out
the
back
doors
and
and
changed
the
grade
so
that
they
could
have
a
handicap
space
with
the
clear,
accessible.
D
Route
to
the
front
entrances
of
the
building,
so
there
are,
there
have
been
some
changes,
but
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
maybe
show
you
there's.
F
D
Right
they
did
they,
they
had
a.
They
had
a
psych
plan
that
was
approved
for
that
was
triggered
and
so
like,
for
example,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
photos
here
and-
and
maybe
the
owner
can
speak
to
the
things
that
were
done.
D
D
D
D
F
Yeah,
I
don't
mean
to
try
to
belabor
my
point
here,
I'm
just
trying
to
clarify
for
my
own
understanding,
so
they
in
2008
there
was
an
expansion
given
right
for
a
72
square
foot
outdoor
patio
area
right,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
that
was
ever
they
never
advanced
on
that
they
never
tried
to
partition
off
a
72
foot
area
they
didn't
construct
any
anything.
For
that
is
that
correct.
D
Yes-
and
I
guess
I
would
comment
that
from
that
perspective,
they
could
have
just
been
allowed
a
area
on
the
ground
outside
the
back
of
the
door,
because
if
they
weren't
serving
alcohol,
they
wouldn't
have
been
required
to
have
a
fenced
area.
Okay,
necessarily
so
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
precluded
them
from
having
alcohol
in
that
space.
D
So
it
was
really
if
they
wanted
to
put
some
furniture
back
there
or
you
know
for
people
to
sit
in,
but
it
was
really
just
a
limited
area
out
the
back
door,
which
could
have
just
been
an
upgrade
area,
but
certainly
that
might
have
been
undone
a
little
bit
with
the
parking
lot
improvements
and
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
justin.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
up.
I
was
on
the
board
in
08
and
we
when
we
approved
this,
and
I
assume
that
a
patio
is
a
place,
people
would
congregate
and
visit
and
sit
versus
just
an
outdoor
area.
B
Eric
keeps
referencing
his
stoop
ingress,
egress
steps
so
eric
if
we
did
approve
a
patio-
and
it
was
part
of
their
conditional
use
permit,
but
they
don't
have
an
area
functioning
as
a
patio
at
this
time
by
default.
If
that
does
that
stay
with
it
as
allowable,
unless
we
take
it
away
or
if
it's
not
being
used
or
that
area
isn't
being
used
as
a
patio,
is
that
now
by
default
gone
two
year
thing
the.
D
Observation
is
that
there
is
an
area
that's
used
around
surrounding
that
back
door
and
there's
there's
been
chairs.
I
don't
know
if
they
got
caught
in
the
photos,
but-
and
certainly
people
from
the
premise
do
frequent-
that
small
area-
it
is
small
72
square
feet,
really
isn't
that
big
of
an
area?
Okay-
and
maybe
one
of
the
concerns-
is
that
that
area
isn't
well
defined
and
it
spills
beyond
that.
So
that's
certainly
an
observation
that
could
be
made
and.
B
A
related
question,
while
you've
got
this
nice
picture
up
here,
that
has
our
partial
dimensions,
which
generally
are
the
lot
lines.
You
know
it's
not
a
legal
survey,
but
I
see
a
property
division
between
the
gas
station
to
the
west
and
the
and
our
the
tavern
here
to
the
best,
your
knowledge
eric.
I
know
you
can't
enter
private
property
take
photos,
so
I
give
you
credit
with
what
you
did,
but
I'm
a
little
confused
with
the
connection
of
the
back
parking
lot
to
the
gas
station.
D
Yeah
this
exhibit
cc
is
aerial
photography
from
2021
in
may.
I
believe
so
then,
if
you
go
to.
D
B
B
D
B
Excellent,
I
appreciate
that
all
right,
the
way
this
works
next
is
the
property
owner
or
the
business
operator,
give
a
presentation
either
them
or
their
representative.
They
have
10
minutes,
that's
it
so
they've
got
to
have
a
they
got
to
manage
your
time,
and
I
will
manage
that
time.
So
before
you
begin,
sir,
we
just
need
your
name
address
is
appropriate.
You've
got
10
minutes.
H
Okay,
yeah,
my
name
is
dirk
de
bolt.
I
am
the
business
owner
of
the
yacht
club,
along
with
my
partner,
grayson
shimasaki.
My
address
is
691
37th
street,
so
I
basically
live
in
the
neighborhood
of
the
yacht
club
and
that's
really
what
we
are
all
about
as
being
a
neighborhood
bar
always
have
been.
H
They
were
basically
having
their
own
party
outside
and
a
lot
of
the
police
reports
that
stemmed
from
that
situation
were
attributed
to
us,
because
we
were
the
address
of
note
and
we're
the
business
that's
open
at
those
hours,
and
some
of
our
customers
indeed
did
have
interactions
with
those
folks
as
they
were,
leaving
for
their
cars
or
having
a
cigarette.
Or
what
have
you?
H
As
far
as
that
goes.
I
know
that
the
gas
station
has
started
like
a
regimen
of
aggressively
towing
vehicles
through
croto
at
10
30
at
night,
so
that
parking
lot
party
is
virtually
over,
which
is
great,
and
a
lot
of
the
changes
were
we've
made
just
to
secure
our
own
business
and
have
a
healthy
and
happy
environment
is
we've
started
closing
at
midnight
which
has
made
you
know
it's
been
great,
I
get
to
go
home
early
and
it
seems
a
lot
of
the
trouble
happens
after
that
hour
anyway.
H
As
far
as
the
back
door
goes,
that
patio
that
you're
asking
about
yeah
it
was
approved
and
then
never
built
by
a
previous
owner.
So
no
there's
never
been
a
patio
back
there.
It
has
been
a
place
where
people
gather
to
smoke
cigarettes
and
whatnot
just
out
the
back
door.
H
But
what
we've
addressed
in
the
recent
month
is
that
we're
going
to
make
that
door
an
exit,
only
not
an
entrance,
so
that
folks
won't
be
gathered
out
there
disturbing
the
neighbors
we're
going
to
try
to
bring
all
the
outdoor
stuff
to
the
front,
which
should
help
a
lot.
Our
landlord
has
installed
new
parking,
which
does
have
a
barrier
between
the
star
gas
station
security
cameras
lights.
H
So
it's
a
much
more
safe
environment.
You
know,
as
far
as
we
go
yeah
we
never
have
trouble
inside.
We
look
out
for
each
other,
it's
it's.
It's
always
been
a
neighborhood
bar.
I've
worked
there.
I've
owned
the
bar
for
seven
years.
I've
worked
there
for
21.
H
I
started
hanging
out
when
I
was
a
drake
kid,
and
that
was
because
my
friend
got
a
job
at
noah's
ark,
so
I
was
hanging
out
with
him
and
his
pizza,
buddies
and
we'd
hang
out
with
people
that
work
for
the
register
or
attorneys.
Or
what
have
you?
It's
a
melting
pot,
it's
a
great
group
of
people
and
we
want
to
bring
that
back.
We
wanted
to
return
to
pre-covet,
I
think
postcode.
H
I
I'm
lingalong
2626
thornton
avenue
des
moines,
my
brothers
and
I
own
property
on
ingersoll,
so
we
have
other
tenants
like
zanzibars,
cram,
cupcake,
lucky
lotus
and
sicaris,
and
we
were
really
concerned
last
year
with
all
of
the
stuff
that
was
going
on
at
the
bar,
and
so
we
actually
sent
them
a
letter
from
our
attorney
that
basically
they
had
to
clean
up
or
their
lease
was
going
to
end.
I
We
actually
installed
new
cameras
in
late
november.
We
actually
view
the
video
and
we
really
see
nothing-
and
my
brother
has
talked
with
officer
moody
and
he's
mentioned
that
there's
absolutely
nothing
going
on
now
and
we
wanted
to
keep
that
way.
Their
lease
is
actually
coming
up
at
the
end
of
december
2024,
so
we
plan
on
possibly
looking
at
making
it
a
requirement
that
they
close
at
midnight
because
we
want
to
keep
it
a
really
nice
area,
a
vibrant
area,
especially
since
we
have
another
restaurant
going
in
into
that
building.
I
B
B
B
B
H
Yeah,
well,
I
don't
have
photos
on
hand.
H
Okay,
I
mean
I,
I
take
it
extremely
seriously.
This
is
my
livelihood.
It's
a
lot
limited
to
the
people
that
work
for
me
and
I'm
not
just
saying
I'm
a
nice
guy,
we've
implemented,
we've
changed,
we've
adjusted
the
jukebox
to
more
pleasant
music.
We've
eliminated
some
alcohol
that
has
was
deemed
to
be
a
problem.
H
H
I
just
it's
hard
to
change
a
culture
overnight
and
I
think
we're
we've
made
great
strides
to
move
the
unwanted
crowd
away
from
our
bar.
Okay,
I
mean
yeah,
I
think
the
star
bar
gas
station
party
situation
was
just
detrimental
to
the
neighborhood.
I
feel
like
that's
a
group
of
people
that
move
from
bar
to
bar
there's
and
really
hurt
businesses.
H
You
know
caused
trouble
in
parking
lots
with
fights
and
gunshots,
and
all
that-
and
I
don't
know
where
they're
going
to
go
now,
but
I
hope
they're
not
going
to
be
at
the
yacht
club,
all
right,
yeah,
okay,.
B
If
we
do
end
up
saying
no
yeah,
you
know
wayne
can
just
you
know,
have
a
different
tenant.
He
can
have
a
bakery
in
there
coffee
shop,
it's
commercially
zoned
right.
He
can
do
lots
of
things
which.
B
H
Yeah
and
if
you
were
to
change
the
business
from
anything
about
the
yacht
club,
it
would,
I
believe,
hurt
the
community
because,
okay,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
be
is
is
a
a
bright
right.
Yep
right
situation,.
B
C
Nathan,
hey,
so
could
you
just
talk
about?
Maybe
your
it
sounds
like
you've
maybe
met
with
the
neighborhood
association
or
maybe
talk
about
the
conversation,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
were
opposed
before
they've,
obviously
actually
kind
of
issued
a
letter
now
in
support
of
keeping
you
open,
which
is
probably
something
good
for
you.
H
That
was
very
nice
of
them
yeah
I
I
reached
out
I
didn't
have
to,
but
I
reached
out
to
the
neighborhood
association
asking
if
I
could
speak
to
them,
just
to
have
a
dialogue
with
what
their
concerns
are,
and
I
think
it
went
pretty
well,
we
just,
I
think
their
big
issue
is
noise.
H
Obviously,
the
violence
is
a
huge
red
flag
that
they
can
wave
to
scare
the
whole
situation,
but
they
primarily
care
about
noise
and
just
not
having
the
late
night
crowd
there
or
the
back
lot
music
loudness
loud
talking,
but
it
was
kind
of
just
a
given
conversation
that
I
had
and
I
hope
I
persuaded
some
of
their
concerns.
H
B
B
We
want
to
listen
to
what
everybody
has
to
say
in
the
audience,
so
whether
you're,
here
in
support
opposition
or
or
neutral
we're
going
to
kind
of
do
this
in
an
order,
but
whatever
your
opinion
is
when
you're
ready
to
give
it
we'll
we'll
listen
to
you
so
basically
as
eric
referenced
earlier,
the
first
group
we
want
to
hear
from
are
those
that
are
in
support
of
the
enforcement
action,
so
those
citizens
who
believe
that
this
board
in
essence,
should
revoke
the
conditional
use,
permit
request
at
this
location
or
perhaps
at
a
minimum,
make
some
big
amendments.
B
Okay,
seeing
none
at
the
time
is
there
anybody
that
wants
to
speak
in
opposition
to
what
mr
lundy
and
city
staff
have
proposed,
which
is
staff
wants
to
take
away
the
conditional
use
permit?
Are
you
opposed
to
that?
Do
you
like
the
bar?
Would
you
want
to
see
any
changes
to
it?
If
we
do
keep
it
now,
that's
your
turn
to
speak
and
again
just
need
your
name
address.
You
got
up
to
five
minutes.
J
Hello,
I'm
just
checking
how
close
I
have
to
get.
My
name
is
mia
boo.
My
address
is
29
22
48th
place
in
beaverdale
and
a
few
things
that
I'd
like
to
say
in
support
of
the
yacht
club.
First
of
all,
I
realized
just
momentarily
that
when
I
was
21
that
was
the
first
bar
that
I
actually
felt
safe
at
it
does
feel
like
a
community.
J
It
was
the
first
like
idea
of,
like
you
know,
when
people
talk
like
a
hole
in
a
wall,
a
local
bar
where
it
feels
like
like
people,
you
can
trust,
and
you
recognize
in
the
community.
That
was
the
first
place.
J
Closing
places
for
a
lot
of
local
musicians
to
perform
the
yacht
club
does
have
live
music.
Almost
every
night
I
mean.
Maybe
I'm
exaggerating,
that's
how
it
feels
to
me.
Three
nights
a
week,
maybe,
but
it
is
a
place
where
musicians
can
come
perform
and
they
get
paid.
That's
not
always
the
case
with
local
venues,
so
you
know
I.
I
am
a
big
supporter
in
the
arts.
I
work
in
the
arts.
I
work
in
a
museum.
J
We
have
the
arts
festival,
but
yet,
when
we're
closing
opportunities
for
creatives
to
make
a
living
to
make
money
and
to
be
active
in
their
community,
we're
working
against
that
and
I'm
just
adding
this
perspective,
because
that's
not
something
that
you
guys
might
know
about
this
institution
when
it
was
under
new
ownership,
they
totally
renovated
inside
added
a
stage.
J
They
have
great
sound
equipment,
they
added
different
benches
so
that
people
could
feel
comfortable-
and
you
know,
with
the
vaudeville
muse,
closing
with
house
of
bricks
in
the
east
village
like
there
are
not
these
smaller
venues
for
local
bands
to
to
to
play
for
the
community.
So
the
yacht
club
has
been
huge,
dirk's
co-co-owner,
grayson
posted
last
night
about
this
situation
and-
and
you
know
hundreds
of
people
in
support,
saying
like
we
can't
lose
the
yacht
club.
J
So
those
people
exist
even
if
they're,
not
here
right
now-
and
I
all
I
can
say
about
the
rezoning
is.
It
sounds
like
that
that
patio
was
not
the
current
owner's
decision
and
I
don't
think
anybody
would
be
mad
if
that
was
changed
because
it
sounds
like
what
we
all
want
is
for
there
to
not
be
this.
This
noise
congregating
in
the
back.
J
I
don't
think
anyone's
arguing
to
keep
that,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
could
all
just
to
recognize
the
value
of
spaces
like
this
in
our
community
and
and
give
them
the
opportunity
to
thrive,
especially
when
they're
they're,
showing
such
strides
that
they
care
about
the
the
things
that
everyone's
concerned
about.
So
thank
you.
J
B
K
K
K
The
officers
came
in
and
they
asked
the
question
to
the
few
patrons
in
there
and
everybody
looked
at
each
other
like
we
didn't
hear
anything
and
they
looked
around
and
found
nothing
and
I
went
across
to
get
a
pack
of
cigarettes
from
star
because
I
know
the
people
there
very
well
and
I
asked
them.
Did
you
hear
anything?
But
we
didn't
hear
nothing.
K
So
here's
a
a
situation
unfairly
tribute
to
the
yacht
club.
It
was
it
a
firecracker.
I
heard
late
later,
a
one
woman
who
walks
up
and
down
the
street
who's
mentally
ill
called
it
in
now.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
other
things
unfairly
attributed
to
the
yacht
club
as
recent
as
this
last
sunday
was
very
nice,
I
was
outside
smoking
a
cigarette
with
a
friend,
three
four
really
loud
motorcycles
pulled
in
to
the
parking
lot
right
next
to
the
yacht
club.
K
K
It
was,
it
was
shaking
the
windows
of
the
yacht
club
that
happens
quite
often,
people
pull
in
the
star
with
their
loud
music.
They
go
in
and
get
their
gas
and
they're
leaving
their
music.
Just
I
mean
blasting
well.
Is
that
fair
to
blame
the
iclub?
I'm
not
blaming
star
either,
but
this
happens
in
gas
stations
all
over
the
city.
You
go
to
a
quick
trip
in
the
middle
of
summer.
You
go
to
mcdonald's.
K
That
kind
of
thing
happens
and
the
other
thing
is
yes
across
the
street,
where
the
dollar
general
is
that
used
to
be
a
big
hangout
after
hours
for
cars,
and
none
of
them
were
with
the
yacht
club.
It
was
kids,
whatever
parking
there.
Partying
drinking
beer
music
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
yacht
club
the
same
the
gas
station
parking
lot,
people
come
in
there,
they
hang
out,
get
their
gas
get
their
beer
and
they
play
their
make
music
again
just
obnoxiously
loud.
K
So
I
think
it's
unfair
to
attribute
things
to
the
yacht
club
when
it's
nothing
to
do
with
them.
I'm
not
saying
they're
perfect,
because
nobody
is:
we've
had
shootings
recently
just
down
the
street
at
that
whiskey
river.
Two
people
were
shot
there
and
in
the
newspaper
the
other
day
when
they
mentioned
this
story,
big
earls
on
the
north
side
in
one
week
they
had
three
incidents
of
gunfire,
and
the
story
was
that
big?
I
didn't
hear
that
on
the
news,
so
it's
happening
all
over
again.
No
place
is
perfect
or
or
saintly.
K
I
just
want
to
give
my
point
of
view
at
that
point
that
I
think
the
yacht
club
is
being
unfairly
blamed
for
things.
Thank
you.
B
L
I
live
at
1705,
pleasant
street
des
moines
iowa
and
I
just
like
to
say
that
in
recent
years
des
moines
really
becoming
much
more
multicultural
and
the
yacht
club
is
a
very
multicultural
bar.
I
don't
think
there's
any
place
like
in
des
moines
and
the
music
is
the
same.
It's
a
cultural
center
and
I
think
it's
it's
something.
That's
worth
saving
it's
worth,
taking
a
little
effort
to
make
work,
and
certainly
the
owners
have
done
that
they're
trying,
but
it
has
cultural
value
to
des
moines.
It's
not
just
another
bar.
L
G
I
have
grown
up
in
that
neighborhood.
I
grew
up
at
31st
and
high
always
known
the
yacht
club
know
everything
about
it.
It
is
a
very
friendly,
very
family
bar
all
of
us
know
each
other
we
come
in.
You
got
to
three
o'clock
four
o'clock,
five
o'clock,
six
o'clock
crowd.
Everybody
gives
big
hugs,
everybody
knows
each
other.
Everybody
supports
each
other
and
everything
that
they
do.
G
I
stop
in
often
after
a
nice
shift
that
the
property
management
been
in
property
management
for
the
last
10
years
good
day.
They
know
what
I'm
drinking
bad
day.
They
know
what
I'm
drinking
bad
day
extra
hugs
good
day,
maybe
even
more,
but
they
are
there
they're
there
for
everybody,
that's
what
they
do.
I
support
them
in
any
and
everything
that
they
do.
B
G
B
M
N
M
I
don't
know
how
many
bars
in
des
moines
have
been
shut
down,
but
when
they
shut
down
the
the
bar
over
south
of
des
moines
that
they've
torn
down
now
and
they're
building
a
new
development
there.
What
I
don't
know
what
street
that
is,
they
had
all
the
shootings
and
they
closed
it
down.
Okay,
those
people
moved
and
a
lot
of
them
came
down
to
the
yacht
club.
M
Also,
if
you
don't
know
this
by
now
on
the
weekends
you
know
des
moines
is
a
hot
spot.
We
have
people
coming
in
from
chicago
minneapolis,
kansas
city
omaha,
that
come
to
des
moines
on
the
weekends
and
they're
looking
for
a
place
to
party
these
people
are
undesirables
and
for
some
reason,
some
of
them
pick.
M
M
But
the
people
that
work
there,
a
lot
of
these
people
need
those
jobs,
and
you
know
they
could
probably
go
out
and
find
another
job,
but
it's
hard
in
the
economy
the
way
it
is
right
now
you
know
people
people
need
their
employment
and
I
think
you
know
if,
if
you
were
to
close
that
bar,
I
think
you'd
be
doing
a
very
disservice
to
the
community
and
ingersoll,
because
it's
part
of
ingersoll
and,
like
I
said,
they've
done,
they've
done
a
wonderful
job.
It's
too
bad.
A
M
I'd
like
to
say
is
that
a
lot
of
things
that
happen
in
that
area
get
blamed
on
the
yacht
club,
the
man
that
was
shot
in
the
head
by
his
daughter
didn't
get
shot
in
the
yacht
club.
He
got
shot
out
behind
the
yacht
club
back
by
the
dumpsters
behind
the
sacari,
but
everybody
in
the
news
has
to
blame
it
on
the
yacht
club
and
everything
that
comes
up
down.
There
is
the
yacht
club
and
I
think
it's
been
very
unfair.
I
think
somebody's
been
trying
to
railroad
them
and
I
think
they
deserve
a
break.
O
P
My
name
is
steve:
wandro,
I'm
wearing
two
hats
today,
I'm
here
as
a
member
of
the
grand
ingersoll
neighborhood,
where
I've
been
a
living
since
1991..
I
currently
live
at
4
3
28th
street
two
blocks
from
the
yacht
club,
and
my
only
comment
again,
I'm
just
wearing
the
hat
of
a
concerned.
Citizen
and
after
living
in
the
neighborhood
for
over
31
years
is
that
I
think
it's
unbiased
is
the
greatest
area
in
des
moines
and
the
thing
I
want
to
emphasize
and
maybe
echo
what
previous
speakers
have
said
it.
P
What
makes
the
yacht
club
special
not
only
to
me
but
to
people
who
live
in
the
area,
is
that
it's
a
place
where
a
person
of
color
can
go
and
feel
comfortable.
In
fact,
that's
a
large
part,
or
at
least
an
equal
part
of
the
yacht
club's
constituency,
is
that
folks
of
different
races
can
go
there
and
feel
comfortable
and
of
in
the
31
years
that
I've
lived
there.
You
know
at
one
point:
the
whole
democratic
party
caucus
would
go
down
there
after
work.
P
You
could
meet
the
mayor
of
west
des
moines,
a
city
official
there,
so
it's
the
high
and
the
low
and
everything
in
between
and
to
this
day
it's
it's.
It's
really
an
iconic
part
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
and
it's
my
fervent
hope
that
whatever
happened
in
this
last
year
and
a
half
which
is
an
anomaly
that
isn't
the
way
the
yacht
club
has
been.
Nor
is
it.
P
The
way
it
will
be
is
that
we
consider
it
as
an
anomaly
and
that
the
changes
that
have
been
made,
I
think,
are
going
to
take
care
of
the
problem.
This
group
was
proactive
in
getting
these
things
done
well
before
the
stuff
was
publicized
or
before
the
time
whoops
before
the
time
that
the
city
got
involved.
So
with
that
those
are
all
my
comments.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
seeing
none
at
this
stage
of
the
game.
I
think
what
we
do
here
as
a
board.
Are
there
any
further
questions
we
have
for
city
staff
or
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
there.
C
O
Hi,
my
name
is
carol
maher.
I
live
in
ward,
3,
zip
code
503.2.
I
am
not
comfortable
doxxing
myself
at
these
meetings
online.
I
will
give
you
my
address
in
writing
afterwards,
one
I
moved
from
chicago
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
so
I'm
here
to
to
stand
up
for
chicago
and
say,
while
some
of
us
may
drive
six
hours
to
have
a
beer
at
the
yacht
club,
I
I
just
find
it
hard
to
believe
that
people
from
chicago
are
the
ones
that
are
causing
trouble.
O
Two,
it
seems
like
the
star
gas
station
is
the
one
that
should
be
being
looked
at
at
this
hearing
rather
than
the
bar
owner
three.
It
would
go
a
long
way.
Perhaps
if
you
did
the
final
step
on
your
facade
and
made
your
banner
just
a
little
bit
bigger
or
painted
a
little
bit
closer
to
the
banner.
O
So
it
doesn't
look
like
you
just
did
that,
and
I
know
there
was
four
but
I
forgot
to
bring
a
pen,
so
I
haven't
been
there,
I'm
relatively
new
to
the
neighborhood,
but
I'm
down
the
street,
so
I
hope
to
go
in
there
and
find
a
good
beer
or
two.
Thank
you.
B
B
C
Yeah
just
to
clarify
eric
the
your
position
now
has
actually
changed
since
it
was
written
in
here
and
it's
open
or
amenable
to
just
a
shift
in
the
conditional
use
permit.
That
would
require
some
of
the
things
that
they've
implemented
yeah.
D
D
We,
we
aren't
backing
off,
that
there
aren't
problems
that
need
to
be
resolved
with
the
conditional
use.
So
certainly
we
think
it
should
be
amended
to
to
do
some
more
things.
I
think
at
the
time
in
2008
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
discussion
around
things
that
might
become
problematic.
I
know
at
the
time
I
have
to
say
that
at
the
time
staff
recommended
denial
of
it,
but
it
was
granted,
even
even
at
that
time
again.
D
I
think
most
of
that
surrounded
the
proximity
to
the
neighborhood
to
the
north
and
that
adding
outside
the
backdoor
activity
was
going
to
be
a
problem
and
it
over
time
while
it's
operated
for
many
years.
You
know
without
a
lot
of
issues.
I
think
the
these
recent
issues
that
everybody's
even
acknowledged
some
attributable
to
the
club-
some
you
know
at
the
periphery
whether
or
not
the
argument
can
be
made
about
the
the
location.
If
the
yacht
club
wasn't
here,
would
those
things
still
happen?
I
don't
know.
D
I
think
that
would
be
too
far
to
speculate,
but
certainly
we
think
that
the
activity
and
sound
and
noise
and
things
happening
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
have
to
be
addressed
in
conditions.
D
D
Certainly
those
are
things
and
the
question
that
came
up
earlier
about
the
whether
they
need
a
sort
of
a
trial
period
to
sort
of
see
how
some
of
these
measures
or
conditions
might
play
out.
So
I
think
those
are
all
fair
things
that
the
board
should
consider
again
per
the
staff
recommendation.
If
the
board
chooses
to
do
that,
we
certainly
want
to
have
that
in
writing,
for
both
the
benefit
of
the
city
and
the
benefit
of
the
owner
and
operator.
D
So
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
what
the
language
would
be
moving
forward
with
any
conditions
that
would
be
amended.
So
we
would
want
that
to
come
back
at
the
next
month's
meeting
for
ratification.
If
that's
the
direction
that
the
board
heads
one
of
the
things,
I
would
point
out
that
the
security
of
the
back
door,
the
common
practice
we
see
in
bars
taverns-
is
a
emergency.
Egress
is
usually
necessary
by
building
code,
actually,
propping
the
door
open
is
in
violation
of
building
codes,
so
the
security
of
the
back
door.
D
The
normal
procedure
is
to
have
what
we
call
the
panic
hardware,
which
allows
anybody
to
exit
the
building
if
necessary,
but
alerts
the
operator.
If
somebody
does
that
and
that
they
can
re-secure
the
door.
I
don't
think
that's
an
overly
expensive
thing
to
to
provide.
I
know
it's
a
pain
for
the
operators
to
deal
with.
Sometimes
if
people
decide
they
just
want
to
leave
and
then
they
got
to
go
reset
the
alarm
or
whatever
goes
off,
but
you
know
it
needs
to
be
a
safe
environment
for
getting
out
if
necessary,
too.
D
So
we
don't
want
to
the
the
key
is
that
people
aren't
coming
and
going
through
that
back
entrance.
I
think
that's
been
one
of
the
problems
that
it
has
contributed
to
the
situation,
whether
those
individuals
have
left
a
safe
environment
to
go
out
and
end
up
interacting
with
problematic
activity
that
I
think
that
will
help.
D
B
Thanks
nate
all
right,
so
eric
are
those
your
closing
rebuttal
comments.
D
Yeah
I
just
was
pointing
out
that
yeah.
We
certainly
would
favor
more
restrictions
to
deal
with
these
issues
to
if
the
board
is
going
to
go
that
direction
all
right
and
we
will
work,
we
will
work
with
the
owners
and
the
in
the
operators
to
make
that
so
that
everybody
understands
what
we're
talking
about.
B
So
eric,
while
you
are
up
here,
if
we
did
choose
to
do
like
a
number,
two
grant
approval
of
an
amended
conditional
use,
does
this
board
have
to
sit
and
hammer
out
all
those
conditions
today?
If
we
would
go
that
direction
or
say,
hey,
listen,
why
don't
you
and
the
owner
sit
down
and
come
back
with
some
agreeable
conditions?
If
you
can,
I.
D
Think
you
could
do
that,
but
I
think
then
you'd
want
to
reopen
it,
so
we
could
discuss
that.
I
think
it
would
be
good
that
you
maybe
identify
those
things
that
we
had
to
fine-tune:
okay
in
the
language
of
the
order
and
then
bring
the
order
back
for
so
that
the
board
understands
yes,
this
is
what
we
said:
yep.
E
Okay,
yeah.
That
is
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
echo.
If
you
can
give
us
like
the
concept
like
better
access
of
the
back
door,
something
conceptual,
and
then
we
can
come
back
with
the
specifics
of
how
that
might
be
achieved.
So
just.
A
A
B
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
on
the
sign
on
the
front
because
they
had
to
put
in
a
new
sign.
It
had
to
be
smaller,
so
we
are
going
to
repaint
that
little
edge,
but
we
had
to
wait
for
weather.
We've
noticed
once
we
put
the
cameras
in
a
lot
of
people
going
in
or
out
by
the
back,
so
my
brother
had
talked
to
the
owners
about
making
it
emergency
only
door,
keeping
it
locked
and
they
recently
put
up
stickers
on
the
back
side.
That
says
exit
only
no
entry.
F
Just
real,
quick
in
terms
of
those
cameras
are,
do
you
have
some
positioned
in
the
in
the
back
and
then
are
there
any
facing
the
star
on
the
side?
Yes,.
I
We
actually
have
total
five
cameras,
four
just
for
the
back
and
one
facing
part
of
star
it's
on
the
front
south
east
south
east
southwest
corner
right
by
the
front
door.
I.
H
Yeah,
I
guess
I
have
just
nothing
really
to
add,
but
just
to
reiterate,
I
appreciate
all
these
people
that
spoke
on
my
behalf,
because
without
these
good
customers
we
are
nothing
we're
just
a
building.
So
thank
you
for
our
time.
Thank
you.
F
Question
for
dare
yeah,
hey,
dirk
real
quick,
a
question
when
you
have
live
music.
When
is
that
usually
over.
H
Since
we
started
closing
at
midnight,
11
50.,
just
when
the
band
stops,
we
stop
serving
lights
up.
You
know
it's
a
really
nice
way
to
get
people
out
parties
over.
You
know.
I
B
C
Like
I
guess
it
struck
me
that,
as
people
spoke
more
everybody
kind
of
came
to
almost
a
consensus
position,
so
I
think
if
we
were
to
revoke
it'd,
be
kind
of
an
outlier
from
that
consensus
position.
So
I'm
not
supportive
of
that.
C
I
do
think
that
maybe
some
of
the
conditions
we
could
kind
of
charge
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
and
the
owner
to
come
back
in
a
month
or
so.
I
also
think
that
you
know
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
problem
that
we
should
be
focusing
on,
is
really
that
north
side
and
with
noise
etc.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
C
F
Justin,
thank
you.
You
know,
I
don't.
I
don't
look
too
far
from
this
area.
This
bar
actually,
and
so
it's
very
concerning
when
you
hear
about
you,
know
people
getting
shot
in
the
head
outside
in
the
parking
lot.
So
I
do
feel
like
there
has
to
be
some
things
that
are
to
be
done.
F
Additional
conditional
items
to
try
to
address
you
know
address
the
safety
and
welfare
of
our
community,
so
I
did
write
down
four
things
that
I'm
just
throwing
out
for
the
body
here
to
discuss,
but
I
I
I
am
supporting
a
probation
period
of
12
months
where
they
would
come
back.
We
look
at
you
know.
F
I
mean
the
the
call
log
here
is
is
also
very
concerning,
and
I
know-
and
I
agree
that
some
of
those
things
are
probably
not
related
to
you
know
the
yacht
club
and
potentially
the
the
the
gas
station
next
door,
but
still
I
I
do
think
that
probation
period
would
be
necessary.
F
I
think
we
should
look
into
revoking
the
expansion
of
the
72
square
foot
outdoor
patio
area.
I
don't
think
it's
being
used
and
I
think
it
there's
it's
too
loosely
defined.
M
F
It
sounds
like
that
could
be
causing
some
of
the
problems,
at
least
with
the
the
the
noise
that's
happening.
I
do
want
to
put
in
writing
if
they
already
already
doing
the
the
midnight
closing.
I
think
we
should
put
that
as
a
conditional
use
and
then
in
terms
of
the
live
music,
you
know
I
would
I
would
suggest.
F
Maybe
it
doesn't
need
to
be
followed,
but
maybe
having
that
closer
to
11
o'clock,
to
wrap
things
up,
as
as
they
move
closer
to
midnight,
closing
so
again
that
would
address,
hopefully,
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
with
the
amount
of
noise
that
is
happening
and
maybe
address
some
of
the
other
potential
issues
that
have
arisen
in
the
last
year
and
a
half.
So
those
are
some
suggestions.
I'd
like
to
open
up
for
discussion.
N
I
do
have
one
I
actually
agree
with
everything
justin
just
said,
but
I'd
like
to
also
add
that
making
the
emergency
door
in
the
back
as
an
emergency.
Only
so
people
cannot
come
back
through,
I
mean
you're
leaving
it
and
they
have
to
have
alarm
like
for
people
to
leave
on
an
emergency,
so
they
have
to
enter
through
the
front.
B
I
might
kind
of
throw
on
that
just
the
practicality.
There
are
exit-only
doors
right.
They
don't
have
to
be
emergency,
even
though
they're
used
for
the
emergency,
but
there's
a
push
bar,
but
once
you're
outside
there's
no
handle
to
grab.
There's
no
push
bar
to
go
back
in
unless
you
have
a
key
on
the
back
of
the
lock
to
get
back
in,
and
you
could
mark
that
door
entrance
around
front
use
sidewalk.
B
So
if
somebody
wanted
to
leave
the
bar
for
the
night,
they
could
go
out
the
exit
somebody
could
use
it
for
the
emergency
and
the
band
is
probably
still
going
to
want
to
exit
that
way
with
their
equipment,
but
we
don't
have
to
get
into
alarms
going
off
all
the
time
now.
If
we
really
want
to
be
draconian
on
that
we
can,
but
I
would
just
maybe
like
to
see
an
exit-only
door
so
that,
if
you
park
in
the
back,
you
walk
around
the
front
to
go
in
when
it's
time
to
go
home
at
night.
B
You
can
do
that
if
you
want
to
have
a
cigarette.
Well,
maybe
you
can
go
out
the
back
door,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
come
back
in
around
the
front,
but
that's
just
me
if
we
would
want
to
make
you
know
we
want
to
really
you
know,
figure
out
what
kind
of
signage
and
materials
are
going
to
be
on
that
door
great,
but
maybe
an
exit-only
door
would
be
sufficient.
That's
just
my
thought
there
anybody
else
on
other
things.
I
I
like
what
justin's
got
there.
You
know
this
is
a
this.
B
Is
a
glass
half
full
glass,
half
empty
thing,
I'm
still
concerned,
but
I'm
hopeful.
We
got
some
nice
people,
nice
owner
people
that
really
support
this
place.
I
think
the
star
gas
station
is
is
probably
the
issue
but
watch
any
legal
show
on
television
and
well
the
case
at
hand.
Is
this
location?
It's
not
this
one?
B
I
can't
require
you
in
good
steed
to
ask
you
to
build
a
fence
to
block
off
your
bad
neighbor.
If
I
was
you
guys,
I
would
I'd
ask
the
city
what
the
requirements
are
for
at
least
a
minimum
height.
You
keep
everything
on
their
side
of
the
star
gas
station.
Then
that'll
be
a
little
more
clear
when
the
police
show
up
or
somebody
wants
to
run
away.
B
Q
Q
I
think
we're
holding
this
guy
accountable
for
some
stuff,
that's
beyond
his
control,
and
I
don't
want
to
micromanage
this
thing
right
because
he
doesn't
want
to
lose
his
permit
right.
Neither
does
his
landlord
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
how
big
of
a
problem
the
backdoor
is,
he's
already
taken
care
of
that,
or
he
said
he
has
yeah
he's
got
signs
back
there.
Let's
make
it
an
exit,
only
he's
going
to
keep
everybody
up
front.
Q
Q
I
I
think
he's
extremely
genuine
with
what
he's
saying
so
I
agree
with
justin
with
some
of
the
points
you
have.
I
think
we
can
order
out.
I
don't
even
can
he
even
do
anything
out
back
or
was
that
ruling
so
long
ago,
but
that
doesn't
even
end
in
effect?
No,
it's!
It's
still
there,
no
I'm
asking
a
question
yeah.
Q
Q
That
says:
hey
that's
loud
and
everything's,
crazy,
going
on
behind
the
yacht
club,
so
yeah.
I
guess
I'm
talking
a
little
bit
for
the
city,
but
I'm
also
going
to
speak
to
this
business
owner
and
the
people
that
have
shown
up
here
today
right
and
I
think,
he's
gotten
accused
of
some
things
that
are
not
100
percent,
his
fault
and
mel.
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
the
biggest
problem
is
right
next
door
and
we've
talked
about
that
place
before
so.
Q
A
B
And
within
board
deliberation
I
think,
with
the
patio
approval,
it
was
an
area,
it's
not
like
a
construction
or
anything
it's
an
area,
but
with
what
justin
has
in
essence
proposed
there,
there
would
be
no
patio
area
so
no
place
with
table
setting
or
benches
to
hang
out
and
it's
a
parking
lot
and
you
got
a
stoop
to
get
in
right,
justin,
that's
kind
of
where
you're
at
yeah
yeah
and
I
think
at
least
from
the
aerials,
by
default,
rather
than
design.
That's
what
it
looks
like
now.
It's
just
cars
are
parked
there.
C
Just
so,
I
think
everything
justin
put
forth
with
one
exception
is,
is
good
and
a
good
idea.
I
I
think
the
11
o'clock
curfew
for
live
music
is
just
not
addressing
any
specific
issues
really
that
have
been
brought
up
in
the
complaints,
and
so
I'm
not
in
favor
of
that
part.
But
I
to
get
us
going
I'd
I'll
move
that
we.
C
Grant
an
approval
of
an
amended
conditional
use,
permit
modifying
the
conditions
as
justin
laid
out
before.
Hopefully,
someone
was
taking
notes
with,
but
not
the
11
o'clock
curfew
for
live
music,
but
including,
like
the
12
o'clock
curfew,
including
an
exit
only
door.
And
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
say
specifically
to
come
back
in
a
month
for
ratification.
E
I
given
the
past
process
and
to
make
sure,
in
fairness,
that
they
know
exactly
the
rules
and
we
know
exactly
the
rules.
We
would
like
to
bring
it
back
just
to
ratify
it.
At
that
point,.
E
P
B
C
B
A
G
B
Not
what
we
meant
we
want
to
make
sure
by
ratification.
It
meets
the
board's
intent
correct
number
one,
but
certainly
that
it's
clear
for
all
the
other
parties,
all
right,
so
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
granting
the
conditional
use.
Permit
amendments
raise
your
right
hand,
say
aye,
all
right
that
carry
six
zero,
any
abstentions.
B
B
The
board
has
voted
to
amend
the
conditional
use
permit
with
some
updated
conditions
which
would
include
for
the
next
year
on
that,
but
that
will
come
back
to
us
next
month
to
make
sure
for
ratification
so
that
it's
clear
for
all
parties.
So
I
think
that's
good
news
for
everybody,
so
thank
you
for
coming
in
today.
B
Okay,
that
concludes
our
items.
For
the
hearing.
We
have
some
business
to
tend
to,
I
believe,
we'll
start
with
minutes
those
that
were
here
last
month,
any
changes
to
the
minutes,
if
not,
if
you're
here
last
month,
any
motion
for
approval
of
accepting
the
minutes
I'll
motion
for
approval.
Second,
second,
by
day,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
I
that
we're
here,
that's
6-0
on
that,
just
as
a
heads
up,
I
think
elections
are
next
month.
Is
that
right
for
annual
elections?
B
That
is
correct
so
for
those
that
are
new
to
the
board.
There's
a
lot
of
lobbying
and
public
expense
on
campaigning
here
for
chair
and
vice
chair
so
next
month,
we'll
do
nominations
and
voting
right.
Okay,
all
right.