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From YouTube: 8-7-23 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, August 7, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
Higher
work
from
our
legal
department
and
that
it
that
is
one
area
that
currently
we're
not
staffed
appropriately
to
do
some
of
the
new
tools,
the
new
tools
that
we
do
talk
about.
There's
some
of
these
that
we
could
probably
do
maybe
once
or
twice
maybe
in
a
year,
but
if
we
want
to
get
more
into
it,
which
I
think
there
is
the
opportunity
that
is
a
that
is
a
resource
that
we
do
got
to
look
at
with
that.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
test
Cody
Tess.
A
This
is
I,
know
her
first
time
in
front
of
council
she's,
our
property
Redevelopment
specialist.
When
we
reorganized
into
the
neighborhood
services
department.
This
was
an
activity
property
Redevelopment
that
we've
always
done
through
Community
Development,
but
it
was
always
scattered
amongst
various
employees,
but
with
blitz
on
blight
coming
on
and
knowing
that
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
vacant,
lots
that
we're
going
to
result
as
a
part
of
that
council
did
authorized
to
have
one
one
person
Focus
specifically
on
property
Redevelopment.
So
with
that
Tess.
B
All
right
make
sure
I
know
how
to
work
this
so
test
Cody,
as
mentioned
excited
that
you're
taking
some
time
to
talk
about
these
tools.
This
morning,
as
Chris
mentioned,
we
wanted
to
start
things
off
by
just
really
talking
about.
What's
the
issue
really
Center
it
on
the
idea
of
addressing
vacant,
abandoned
and
Blended
properties,
really
where
all
three
of
those
attributes
are
there.
B
So
what
we're
talking
about
is
not
necessarily
going
to
be
where
it's
just
fake
it
or
where
it's
just
blighted
those
those
homes
with
those
challenges
are
probably
best
suited
for
other
programs,
we
have
like
say
the
ion
program,
big
and
property
registry.
This
is
really
looking
at
a
small
sliver
of
the
properties
that
probably
have
the
most
encumbrances
facing
them
in
in
Des
Moines.
B
But
as
we
talk
about
that
kind
of
sliver,
there's
been
lots
of
research
nationally
about
the
impact
that
those
properties
have
on
our
neighbors
on
our
neighborhoods
on
our
cities
as
a
whole,
but
wanted
to
provide
you
with
an
example
from
here
in
Des
Moines,
where
the
ones
on
the
list
are
about
loss
of
density,
loss
of
housing,
stock
and
tax
revenue
kind
of
all
meet.
So
back
in
1985,
the
city
published
an
article
in
the
newspaper
where
they
actually
named
51
houses
that
they
identified
as
vacant
and
blighted.
B
Some
of
them
were
likely
under
a
little
bit
of
rehab,
so
they
were
not
all
entirely
abandoned,
but
a
large
subset
of
that
list
would
kind
of
Meet.
The
definition
that
we're
talking
about
here
today
as
I
was
researching.
I
was
like
well.
This
is
perfect.
Let's
find
out
what
happened
almost
40
years
later
to
these
homes
and
when
looking
them
up,
it
was
a
little
bit
Bleak.
So
when
there's
limited
intervention,
these
are
really
tough
to
tackle,
and
so
looking
through
it
about
14
are
still
standing.
B
So
that's
probably
the
ones
that
had
that
start
of
the
rehab
I
mentioned
36
were
demolished
and
of
those
11
had
new
homes
built
on
them.
So
about
half
homes,
half
of
our
our
housing
stock
right
there
I
think,
is
a
pretty
big
note
to
make
some
of
those
are
now
side,
yards,
adjusted
property
lines,
you'll
think
like
three
becomes
two
and
vacant
lots
and
I
think
when
we
think
about
a
property
tax
base.
That's
part
of
that
right
side,
Lots,
less
property
of
tax
revenue
compared
to
a
one,
with
a
structure.
B
B
B
You
know
regularly
buy
the
property
and
the
other
thing
to
kind
of
keep
that
we
have
heard
over
and
over
from
some
of
our
development.
Partners
is
when
you're
doing
infill,
housing
and
you're
doing
scattered,
rehab
it's
really
expensive
and
compared
to
when
they
compare
to
say
a
full
development,
or
something
like
that.
So
the
math
is
just
a
little
bit
trickier
to
make
work.
B
B
One
thing
to
highlight
on
here
is
that
large
amount
of
other
taxes
and
special
assessments.
What
happened
was
this
property?
The
prior
owner
had
suspended
taxes,
so
there's
a
program
for
folks
who
are
low-income,
older
adults,
where
they
can
suspend
their
taxes
and
they
become
due
at
the
time
of
their
death
or
if
they
resell
the
property,
and
so
this
kind
of
big
backlog
becoming
due
suddenly
is
a
big
problem.
B
In
addition,
just
as
a
quick
note
here
so
because
of
the
the
age
of
the
tax
sale
certificate,
it
had
a
large
amount
of
Interest.
So
even
if
somebody
went
to
try
to
redeem
this
tax
cell
certificate
we'll
get
into
what's
attack
so
certificate
in
a
second,
there
was
an
additional
sixty,
seven
thousand
dollars
of
late
interest.
B
That
is
a
mess
you
know,
as
a
private
party,
going
in
to
try
to
say,
purchase
that
you'd
have
to
bump
into
all
of
these
things.
So
we
secured
the
property
through
the
tax
sale
and
put
it
out
for
an
RFP
to
find
someone.
It
needs
significant
work,
and
so
the
best
offer
we
received
was
thirty
thousand
dollars.
They
estimate
that
they'll
have
to
put
another
120
in
it
before
they
can
turn
around
and
sell
it
as
a
habitable
home.
B
B
B
B
This
next
one
I
have
is
an
example.
I
think
I
put
it
on
here,
because
it
was
also
on
the
last
Council
agenda.
We
sold
this
property
to
NFC,
it's
a
vacant
lot,
but
this
one
I
think
kind
of
gives
a
little
bit
of
a
flavor
of
the
things
Beyond
just
taxes
and
special
assessments
that
will
come
onto
properties
that
intimidate
and
kind
of
push
away
private
developers.
So
we
actually
demolished
the
structure
on
this
property
and
our
demolition
lien
was
on
there
and
so
I
think.
B
Sometimes,
tax
sales
will
wipe
away
demolition
leads,
sometimes
they
won't,
and
so,
if
that's
going
to
linger
after
that's
a
little
bit
dangerous
right
for
somebody
to
come
in
and
want
to
build
this
one
also
had
two
felony
judgments
attached
to
the
property,
and
so
we
had
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
releasing
those
judgments
from
the
property.
So
again,
this
is
one
where
I
had
about
80,
that
over
80
000
against
the
property.
B
If
you
add
in
that
late
interest
again,
you
get
close
close
to
the
ninety
thousand
dollar
Mark
before
you've
done
anything
just
just
just
clearing
things
away
again:
infield
housing
is
expensive
and
so
they're,
anticipating
putting
an
additional
265
thousand
dollars
into
the
property
and
we'll
probably
be
able
to
resell
it
for
about
225.
but
again
really
excited
this
one's
real
close
to
a
park.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
the
community.
B
I
think
just
reviewing
our
what's
on
blight
cases.
I
I
think
that
there's
just
a
lot
more
information
becoming
available,
so
we
will
be
able
to
start
to
zero
in
on
this,
but
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
I
think
as
a
department
we're
really
trying
to
think
about.
Okay,
what's
the
right
vehicle
for
the
right
house,
you
know
not.
Every
house
is
going
to
want
to
come
through
a
program
like
like
the
program
we're
talking
programs
we're
talking
about
today.
B
F
With
the
number
that
we're
looking
at,
you
said
infill
just
for
a
single
fan,
you
know
just
one
lot:
is
there
any
way
to
group
those
together?
So
a
builder
could
get
a
group
and
say
you've
got
five
at
a
time,
so
it
makes
it
scalable
not
that
you're
going
to
be
all
right
in
a
row,
but
they
could
be
within
the
same
neighborhood,
so
you
could
scale
it
up
like.
B
No,
it's
good,
we'll
talk
about
a
tool
that
I
think
is
kind
of
designed
with
that
in
mind
in
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
that's
that's
worth
keeping
in
mind,
because
that's
one
thing
that's
been
brought
forward
to
us
is
that
how
do
you
bundle
things?
So,
even
if
they're
not
immediately
Jason,
could
we
be
doing
multiple
within
a
couple
blocks,
so
our
crews
can
kind
of
be
out
in
one
area
that
that's
exactly
the
right
vein,
yeah.
B
So
I
think
what
we've
been
starting
to
work
through
is
trying
to
figure
out
you
can.
This
is
going
to
sound,
really
silly,
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
Lots
out
there,
but
some
of
them
are
side
yards
that
are
actually
kind
of
you
want.
You
want
them
to
be
that
there
are
some
that
are
not
buildable,
and
then
there
are
some
that's
like.
B
Yes,
that's
where
we
want
to
really
focus
our
efforts
and
there's
some
where
we
want
to
focus
our
efforts
there,
because
we
know
no
one
else
will
because
the
big
stack
of
bills
and
then
there's
some
where
it's
like.
Oh
no,
it's
better
that
we
not
intervene.
The
private
Market
can
go
out
and
can
purchase
that.
B
B
Those
are
bacon
Lots,
they
all
have
liens
on
them,
and
the
majority
of
those
liens
are
there
or
else
they're
going
to
tax
sale
and
the
tax
sells
the
thing
clearing
it
off,
and
so,
when
you
think
of
the
scale
of
that
over
a
couple
years,
you
have
at
least
that
many
so
I
am
not
sure
that
I
know
the
exact
number
of
that.
But
it's
it's
many.
Many.
E
E
But
we
think
they're
candidates
for
the
private
part.
There's
this
many
that
have
liens
I
mean
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
sense
of
scale
of
the
issue,
because
I
assume
there's
a
resource.
Question
is
somewhere
in
terms
of
how
we
how
we
allocate
resources
that
are
informed.
We
are
for
me,
let's
figure
out
not
just
short-term,
but
over
the
long,
yeah.
B
E
C
B
C
D
What's
that
it's
so
right
test
the
Blitz
on
blight,
the
alliteration
is
nice,
but
this
hardly
feels
like
we've
made
a
blitz
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
troubling
things.
Well,
if
this
is
a
blitz
like,
why
is
it?
Why
are
so
many
homes
abandoned
still,
so
you
might
think
of
renaming
this.
It
just
doesn't
feel
like
we're
blitzing
anything
so.
C
And
not
only
have
we
blitzed
them,
but
now
we
have
a
bunch
of
lots
that
have
grass
that's
a
foot
tall
that
now
we
have
to
call
your
department
to
get
the
grass
cut
or
to
have
neighbors
Park
their
cars
in
the
in
the
vacant.
Lots-
and
you
know
so
now-
we've
yeah
we've
gotten
rid
of
the
the
home,
but
now
we
have
a
vacant
lot
sitting
there.
They
could
be
buildable,
but
we've
got
all
kinds
of
other
things,
but
we're
not.
We
don't
even
know
how
many
we
got
yeah.
A
The
the
number
of
questions
we
are,
we
are
getting
to
the
bottom
of
that
the
Blitz
on
flight.
It
is,
it
is
a
long
process,
I
I
think
right
away
from
the
start,
we
got
out
the
gates
with
those
that
were
kind
of
backlogged,
just
waiting
for
the
demo
resources.
We
have
the
demo
resource,
but
I
think
now,
where
we're
at
the
court
process
is
a
very
long
process.
A
It
is
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
seeing
I
think
the
latest
I
know
we
have
I
think
we
have
about
30
that
are
in
engineering
that
are
going
through
demolition,
so
it
is
picking
up
a
little
bit
just
with
regards
to
that,
but
there's
a
there's
a
longer
pipeline.
That's
not
it's
not
in
in
our
department,
it's
not
in
legal
either.
It's
it's
in
the
court
process
just
waiting
to
get
a
court
date,
but
it
does.
A
B
It's
actually
it's
actually
really
funny.
It's
like
again
you're
reading
our
minds,
so
we
wanted
to
just
name
that
right,
like
looking
at
tools,
so
we
can
provide
some
ideas
for
life
after
demolition,
realizing
that
we've
kind
of
done
one
phase
of
addressing
some
dangerous
structures.
But
how
do
we
actually
recognize
that
those
are
still
probably
blighted
properties
right
that
all
that
weeds,
junk
and
debris?
B
Those
issues
are
still
a
problem
and
then
I
think
just
kind
of
digging
into
this
more
I've
just
named
that
there
are
lots
of
paths
into
why
properties
become
blighted
in
a
bland,
abandoned,
abandoned
and
so
really
needing
to
think
of
the
many
ways
to
help
them
get
out
of
that
status,
and
so
these
are
just
expanding
that
toolkit
and
just
recognizing
this
is
oh
man.
This
is
like
a
one
Hefty
chart
I've
put
up
here,
but
really
centering.
You
know,
there's
lots
of
tools.
B
B
So
this
is
going
to
be
the
speed
tour
of
Redevelopment
tools.
We
can
spend
extra
time
on
any
of
them
and
we
can
of
course,
come
back
if
there's,
if
there's
any,
that,
you
think
you
could
just
use
more
information
about
so
the
first
one
I've
mentioned
and
I
think
you
all
are
fairly
well
versed
on
is
the
tax
sale.
This
is
a
tool
for
acquisition.
B
The
County
Treasurer
sells
unpaid
property
taxes
and
special
assessments
and
issues
certificates
for
those
certificates
are
then
through
lots
of
waiting
periods
and
notice,
a
path
to
secure
a
tax
deed
for
the
property.
One
of
the
important
things
for
the
tax
sale
specifically
is
things
that
predate
the
tax
sale
will
largely
be
wiped
away,
and
so
this
can
be
really
important
for
pulling
off
a
bunch
of
a
good
portion
of
liens
and
taxes
and
things
that
are
burying
of
property.
B
So
a
path
to
a
clearer
title
is
really
important.
Some
of
the
recent
ones
we've
done.
We've
had
to
do
additional
action
and
come
to
you
all
for
additional
requests,
because
the
search
more
things
came
on
after
the
certificate
were
issued.
So
I
think
we've
received
a
really
old
certificate
that
was
held
by
the
county,
so
it
was
a
nine-year-old
certificate
in
the
subsequent
nine
years.
More
things
happen
right,
and
so
it's
the
catch-up
phase,
yep.
G
H
B
A
great
question:
yeah
there
are
some
special
powers
the
city
has
and
one
of
those
is
we
get
to
submit
a
list
right
at
the
start.
We
technically
send
it
in
early
because
we
have
to
do
roll
calls,
but
right
at
the
start,
those
come
to
us
first
and
so
that's
a
really
powerful
tool,
because
private
investors,
it's
a
random
kind
of
like
okay,
do
you
get
to
bid
at
this?
It's
a
draw,
and
so
our
ability
to
kind
of
pull
and
say
this
specific
one.
B
B
So
the
tax
sale,
because
we've
been
successful
at
this
one,
wanted
to
provide
you
an
example,
so
1509
East
36th
Court.
This
was
a
property
that
had
many
issues
with
junk
and
debris
and
abandoned
vehicles.
It
had
a
fire
on
the
property
and
eventually
was
demolished
as
a
public
nuisance,
and
so
it
had
a
a
lien
against
it.
We
received
the
tax
sale
certificate
and
processed
that
to
secure
the
deed,
and
then
we
actually
did
a
landslap
man.
I
am
Tongue.
B
B
B
We
have
not
within
the
city's
memory
use
this
this
tool,
in
particular
judgment,
lien
foreclosure
is
when
we
would
execute
on
our
public
nuisance
the
judgment
and
lean
on
that,
and
that
way
we
can
go
through
a
process
to
kind
of
again
is
a
court
process
so
have
to
have
legal
help
with
this,
but
we
can
secure
the
property.
The
downside,
when
you
compare
this
one
to
the
tax
sale
is
this
will
not
clear
away
things
like
a
mechanics,
lien
or
a
mortgage.
B
We
would
have
to
bump
in
and
figure
out
what
to
do
with
that,
but
for
some
of
those
vacant
Lots
there
aren't
those
other
encumbrances.
We're
kind
of
the
only
one
in
the
way,
and
so
I
think
using
this
tool
strategically,
could
make
a
lot
of
sense
for
addressing
vacant
Lots
where
taxes
special
Assessments
in
our
demolition
lien
are
the
thing
getting
in
the
way
and.
H
H
B
B
The
speed
version
where
it's
like.
We
don't
want
to
hold
property
long
for
liability
reasons,
and
so
we
we
want
to
always
have
that
fire
in
mind.
We
got
to
move
it
through
quickly
and
we've
done
that
really
successful
when
it's
one-off
law,
but
it's
really
tough
when
you
want
to
bundle-
or
you
have
a
larger
property
like
this.
So
being
able
to
hold
the
property
will
be
really
vital
in
this
one,
so
we
can
get
to
that
best
use
for
the
neighborhood.
B
So
another
tool
we
could
consider
the
use
of
this
one.
We
have
not
used
in
our
past,
but
many
other
cities
around
Iowa
have
with
with
good
success.
This
is
an
acquisition
tool.
Again
it's
using
a
section
of
the
Iowa
Code
that
allows
us
to
petition
for
a
title
for
abandoned
properties.
The
house
it
has
a
structure.
I
should
say
that
has
to
have
a
structure
and
it
must
be
largely
vacant
and
in
violation
of
the
housing
You're
Building
Code.
B
The
code
section
actually
has
a
whole
long
list
of
ways
you
could
say
Yep.
This
is
an
abandoned
property,
and
so
you
don't
have
to
meet
all
the
lists.
You
just
have
to
meet
a
bunch
of
the
list
it
has
to
be
for
six
months.
The
big
thing
to
highlight
with
this
one
is
similar
to
the
tax
sale.
This
enables
a
clear
title,
so
it
wipes
away
a
whole
bunch
of
the
things
that
are
encumbering
that
property.
B
I
It's
not
a
Panacea,
it's
not
a
silver
bullet
it
it
you
have,
you
have
to.
We
have
actually
used.
It
started
processes
on
the
Des
Moines
building,
for
example.
It
was
used
on
to
start
that
process
and
then
what
happens
is
then
people
come
back
and
say:
well,
it's
not
abandoned.
I
haven't
abandoned
it,
and
so
that's
what
you
have
to
prove
to
be
able
to
use
the
statute.
But
it's
it's
another
tool
that
that
we're
going
to
be
expanding.
Our
our.
I
C
E
My
question:
how
does
our
vacant
property
registry
fit
into
this
and
does
I
by
having
a
vacant
property
registry?
Does
that
mean
they're
not
abandoned
because
they're
registering
them
as
vacant
or
if
they
as
if
they
register
them
right?
But
if
they
sit
there,
I
mean
if
we
have
a
property
in
our
vacant
property
registry
for
two
years?
A
It's
definitely
going
to
help
in
that
matter.
I
think
one
thing
with
the
vacant
property
registry:
it's
really
helping
us
identify
which
structures
are
vacant
through
that
the
goal
with
the
with
Tess's
position
is
to
work
closely
with
Dan's
group,
not
only
with
on
the
vacant
property
registry,
but
to
help,
identify
and
then
develop
the
strategy
on
what
to
do
next.
So
I
think,
just
by
having
that
in
place.
Since
beginning
of
this
calendar
year,
it's
going
to
help
build
the
case,
in
some
circumstances,
to
be
able
to
use
the
657a.
H
And
just
for
clarification
abandoned,
not
every
building
that
is
vacant
is
abandoned.
I've
got
a
house
in
my
neighborhood,
that's
owned
by
somebody
across
town.
He
uses
it
simply
for
storage,
you
know
he
mows
it
and
the
neighbors
are
all
saying.
Well,
it's
it's
abandoned.
It's
not
abandoned.
He
it's
full
of
all
of
his
uses
it
for
a
garage,
it's
not
vacant
either.
What
is
it.
D
H
A
Yeah,
there's
I
know
some
I
think
in
I
know
in
one
case,
I
think
you
referring
it
to
it
earlier
with
the
IRS
Lanes,
where
you
have
it
and
there's
there's
trespassers,
there's
squatters
going
in
and
out
of
the
house.
That's
that's
one
I
do
think
of
that.
Comes
to
this.
If
you
have
no
owner
that
you're
able
to
engage
with
I
know,
you've
had
one
in
your
ward
that
I
could
think
of.
A
But
I
I
do
know
the
the
fruits
of
what
and
finding
through
the
property
registry
it's
helping
us
identify.
You
know,
what's
going
on
with
the
property,
whether
he's
able
to
get
contact
with
the
owner
or
not,
but
I,
think
from
that
information
we're
gaining,
there
is
to
help
test
kind
of
identify.
Okay.
This
is
perfect
for
this
path
and
then
that
we
could
use
this
tool
to
do
something
with
the
property.
Then,
on.
F
A
J
We
have
a
133
registry
licenses
where
it's
either
not
complied
because
the
condition
of
the
property
or
they
haven't
paid
for
the
license
and
there's
500
and
well
he
just
Constable
the
boss
just
gave
me
two
more
so
now.
There
are
600
monitor
cases
that
we
have
out
there,
which
will
in
turn
go
to
the
registry
as
well
as
a
code
case
if
they're
important,
so
the
numbers
are
high
and
these
are
just
the
start
of
it.
J
You
know,
we've
only
been
doing
this
in
spring,
so
they
keep
coming
up
as
we
go
through
the
process
as
well.
So
is
there
commercial
properties
on
there
too
yep
the
old
McDonald's
is
on
there.
They
have
paid
their
license,
but
the
property
is
still
not
complied
due
to
condition
they're
working
on
it,
but
well.
C
J
I
will
say
that
there's
been
several
properties
that,
since
this
has
started,
the
owner
has
sent
a
notice
to
deregister
on
their
side,
because
it's
changed
hands
and
there's
repairs
being
made.
So
it
is
starting
that
process
of
taking
these
from
being
unused
if
at
least
or
get
sold
and
put
into
someone
else's
hands,
start
to
start
rehab
or
something.
So
that's
that's
the
right
direction.
E
G
B
B
So
this
is
not
this
next
one
here,
we've
done
one
more:
we've
actually
done
the
blighted
property
rehab
program.
This
is
a
tool,
that's
actually
it's
think
Gap
financing.
It's
supposed
to
help
bladed
abandoned
properties
that
come
into
new
ownership
for
rehab
and
Redevelopment
to
make
the
make
the
budget
go.
So
it's
supposed
to
be
kind
of
the
last
dollars
in
the
thing
to
make
it
happen.
We
haven't
done
very
many
of
them.
We've
done
six
and
so
far,
they've
they've
all
been
from
1886
to
1900.
B
It's
been
really
kind
of
a
great
partnership
in
the
past,
with
some
of
our
staff
that
are
really
committed
to
Historic
preservation
and
the
outcomes
have
been
pretty
impressive,
pretty
beautiful
right
now,
there's
a
thousand
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
allocated
annually,
there's
some
carryover
funds,
as
we
had
some
staffing
change,
but
we
have
one.
We
just
finished
this
contract.
B
Okay,
all
right
back
to
the
idea
of
bundling
property.
We
get
there
eventually
so
another
tool
that
we
could
explore
and
we
started
to
put
together
the.
What
would
it
take
parameters
around
the
idea
of
land
banking,
land?
Banking
is
a
tool
that's
used
around
the
country,
both
by
depending
on
the
local
laws
by
nonprofits
and
governments.
B
It
is
I
think
the
cluster
of
all
the
tools
we've
talked
about
so
far
add
those
together
and
then
add
an
additional
option
onto
it,
of
medium
and
long-term
holding
to
identify
best
use
and
that
collectively,
together,
tends
to
add
up
to
land
banking.
Land.
Banking
is
really
about
addressing
title
issues
and
helping
get
get
properties
kind
of
unstuck.
It
is
not
forever
in
a
land
bank,
so
you
might
have
heard
folks
within
the
community
talk
about
a
community
land
trust.
This
would
be
adjacent
to
that
a
land
trust
would
be
Perpetual
ownership,
affordability.
B
This
would
come
in
and
come
out
right.
So
it's
more
about
addressing
the
title
issues.
Finding
the
best
use
the
chance
to
have
some
of
our
Redevelopment
tools
come
alongside
our
planning
efforts
as
a
city.
So
I
really
like
this
Graphics.
It
kind
of
shows
the
idea
of
kind
of
moving
through
of
a
tangled
up
blighted
property
back
into
private
ownership,
but
the
land
bank
being
the
Via
cool
that
helps
pull
the
pull
the
gunk
off
and
help
find
the
end
use
last
tool
that
we
have
for
you.
Yeah.
G
E
K
So
there
it
is
possible,
but
and
I'll
have
others
jump
in,
but
that
strategy
requires
more
funding
because
you're
talking
about
purchasing
these
properties,
maintaining
them
in
the
meantime
to
hold
them
for
possibly
several
years
to
get
to
that
number
of
properties
that
could
then
be
put
back
in
an
RFP
or
possibly
a
higher
use,
higher
density
product.
So
it's.
C
C
K
C
A
Right
I
know
at
least
15
years.
We've
talked
about
this.
It's
always
been
a
resource
issue.
You
know
to
acquire
the
property
to
hold
the
property.
There's
liability,
questions
that
come
with
holding
the
property,
but
I
mean
you're
exactly
right.
To
some
extent,
you
have
a
vacant
lot
out
there
that
someone
else
owns
there's
a
bunch
of
liens
on
it.
We
maintain
it
at
the
end
of
the
day
or
the
county
did
did
previously,
but
the
government
just
doesn't
own
it.
A
A
I
know
the
dollars.
We've
we've
looked
at
this
I
think
it's
around
probably
about
half
a
million
dollars
to
get
started
to
get
invested
into
getting
the
property
I
know.
There's
there's
been
legislation,
I
think
at
the
state
level
there
is
there's
ways
that
the
city
can
can
do
this,
but
I
mean
it's
it's
a
resource
issue.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but.
F
E
B
Some
of
them
would
quickly
come
out
right.
So
that's
back
to
the
the.
If
I
can
actually
go
backwards,
maybe
can't
the
short,
short-term
kind
of
outs.
Some
of
them
would
stay
in
and
hold
over
longer,
and
so,
if
you
had
some
coming
out
at
the
three
earmarks
some
coming
out
at
the
five
year
mark
right
as
you
kind
of
move
through
it,
but
about
20
coming
in
sitting
at
about
a
regular
Credit
in
out
of
40..
B
While
we
tossed
out
half
a
million
dollars
that
would
be
half
a
million
dollars
in
new
funds
if
we
aligned
with
our
other
existing
funds
like
our
cdbg,
Jewelers
or
other
dollars,
Within
bloody
property,
rehab
program
right.
You
start
to
kind
of
make
those
all
move
in
alignment,
so
the
dollar
figure
could
be
higher.
If
you
don't
want
to
move
those
in
alignment
you
might
want
to,
but
I
think
we
we've
started
to
draft
some
of
the
what
that
would
be
and
I
think.
B
While
we
put
together
that
with
the
number
20,
we
were
kind
of
looking
at
our
existing
neighborhood
services
staff
in
capacity,
not
our
legal
Staffing
capacity
that
that
is
another
conversation
but
but
I,
don't
think
we
were
using
that
number
of
20
necessarily
thinking
through
what
we
don't
currently
have
that
tangible
number
of
like
how
many
properties
would
make
sense
in
this
space
and
I
think
we're
getting
close
to
that.
But
I
think
weeks
to
come.
C
Think
the
Market's
there
to
do
that
in
fill,
even
if
it's
one
instead
of
you
know,
holding
it
and
trying
to
gather
five
more
but
I
know
that's
that's
important
with
some
but
I
mean
I
think
we're
not
able
to
tear
down
as
many
houses
with
the
blitz
on
blight.
So
there's
there's
dollars
that
can
be
spent
instead
of
tearing
something
down
now
we
need
to
either
land
bank
it
or
Market
it
to
sell
to
you
know
a
private
Builder
or
eat
some
of
the
costs
we
are
maintaining
them.
I
mean,
let's
not
fool
ourselves.
C
C
Every
every
house
that
we're
taking
down
we're
maintaining
that
lot
or
at
least
we're
trying
to
whether
we
get
complaints
and
have
to
turn
it
in
I,
mean
I,
see
it
every
single
day.
I
mean
we
finally
tore
down
a
house
on
South
Union.
It's
had
the
grass
mode
twice
by
us.
It
has
a
car
towed
away
that
was
parked
on
there.
We've
got
another
car,
that's
parked
on
there,
I
mean
they're,
just
we
need
to
Market.
There
needs
to
be
a
house
built
there.
K
The
best
targets
are
always
going
to
be
those
that
that
have
good
property
around
them
as
well
and
like
other
single
family
homes,
preferably
even
and
that's
not
always
the
case.
Some
of
the
tougher
properties
are
maybe
on
a
border
of
commercial
properties.
Things
of
that
nature
that
would
be
harder
to
Envision
a
a
home
going.
A
K
That
being
said,
there's
plenty
of
other
targets
that
we
could
that's
where
we
tried
to
look
at
this
20
or
so
a
year
as
a
Target.
But
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
is
that
we
have
limited
funds
in
those
other
tools
that
we're
currently
using,
and
it's
going
to
be
the
same
funds
that
we're
going
to
need
to
utilize.
For
this
anything
we
grow
in
programming.
K
So
it's
going
to
be
a
question
for
us
to
determine
what
that
balance
needs
to
be,
and
so
we
need
to
come
to
not
only
with
this
is
a
good
tool
and
we
want
to
do
20
of
these
a
year,
but
that's
in
coordination
with
the
blitz,
because
you're
right.
The
other
thing
here
is
that
we're
not
utilizing
all
the
funds
currently
with
blitz,
but
I
understand
that
the
funds
that
we
have
put
into
the
blitz
on
blight
does
have
property
associated
with
it.
K
K
F
That
we
haven't
already
interact,
but
is
there
a
long
range
you're
putting
together
a
long-range
plan
of
what
costs
could
be
incurred,
and
so
we
will
have
some
idea.
So
if
you
do
the
20
homes,
how
many
more
houses
are
in
the
court
proceedings
on
the
Blitzen
blight,
so
we
can
get
some
idea
of
then.
What
is
the
financial
impact
if
we
truly
want
to
move
forward
and
make
it
faster
strides
on
revitalizing
these
areas
and.
K
K
That's
probably
about
a
third
of
what
their
need
is,
and
you
got
to
invest
DSM
the
the
funds
going
towards
those
four
areas
as
well,
and
then
you've
got
Blitz
and
you
got
some
of
these
others,
and
then
we
do
have
cdbg
funds
and
some
other
funds
available
to
us.
But
once
we
have
a
once,
you
feel
comfortable
with
what
tools
we're
putting
out
there.
K
And
it's
clear
you
like
I'm
hearing
you
that
you
like
each
of
these
tools,
then
we
can
show
you
what
the
numbers
would
look
like
on
an
annual
basis
and
what
that
would
mean
to
your
neighborhoods
for
what
you
may
find.
You
want
to
spend
more
on
owner
occupied
assistance
through
ion
versus
the
blighted
side
of
the
spectrum,
so.
L
And
it
also
depends
on
on
our
budget
and
moving
forward.
I
mean
we
always
are
concerned
about
what
goes
on
up
up
the
hill
here
and,
what's
going
to
happen
moving
forward,
we
saw
what
happened
this
last
year
and
we're
concerned.
You
know,
we've
got
these
great
ideas
and
some
processes
that
we
could
move
forward.
That
would
be
really
beneficial
to
you,
know
clean
it
up
property
and
getting
them
back
on
the
tax
rolls
and
and
improving
neighborhoods,
and
doing
all
that
which
has
been
the
plan
for
a
really
long
time.
L
The
problem
is,
it's
all
about
money
and
we're
concerned
about
a
revenue
sources
and
what
some
of
those
Folks
up
there
are
thinking
about,
how
urban
areas
of
this
state
function
and
and
what
they
need
to
do.
It's
interesting
to
travel
around
our
state
and
see
other
cities
that
have
similar
issues
I
believe
that
we're
really
moving
forward
with
with
plans
specifically
to
try
to
counteract
some
of
this
negativity.
L
That's
happening
with
these
dilapidated
rundown
properties
and
I
think
that
the
strategies
that
that
you're
presenting
today
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
all
the
input
that
we've
gotten
today
from
our
council
members,
is
positive
and
and
adds
some
questions
in
detail
that
some
need
to
see
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
But
money
is
going
to
be
the
thing.
That's
going
to
help
us
move
forward
in.
K
H
And
my
question
was:
just
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
just
because
we
go
through
the
legal
process
that
takes
several
years
to
take
a
property
down.
We
still
don't
own
it,
so
we
can't
Land
Bank
what
we
don't
own
and
we
don't
want
to
own
it,
because
I
don't
want
somebody
tripping
on
the
sidewalk
and
then
suing
us,
for
you
know
a
million
dollars.
So
the
land
bank
only
works
if
we
can
get
clear
title
to
it,
which
is
which
is
the
hold
up
right,
which
is.
B
H
C
B
Can
go
and
Market
it
we
did.
Actually
we
took,
we
took
ownership
of
that.
Those
properties
I
showed
you
29
Hartford
and
1012
Southeast
10th.
We
took
ownership
through
the
tax
sale,
so
we
used
one
of
the
one
of
the
tools
we've
showed
you
today
to
take
ownership.
So
then
we
could
clear
away
the
encumbrances
and
then
sell
it
on
to,
in
one
case,
a
rehab
or
in
one
case,
a
developer.
So.
C
C
But,
but
if
it's
just
one
single
lot,
where
are
you
talking
about
in
one
specific
area,
we're
going
to
wait
until
we
get
down
other
homes
in
that
area
to
take
down
and
land
bake
it
together?
Or
are
we
just
going
to
put
that
with
all
over
the
city,
a
bunch
of
single-family
home
lots
that
we're
going
to
sell
individually
to
vote
I
mean
I?
Don't
I
I
understand
what
what
our?
C
What
our
tactic
is
here,
yes,
I
feel
like.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
vacant
lots
and
if
we
need
to
go
in
and
how
do
we
get
control
of
them,
so
we
can
sell
them,
so
we
can
get
new
homes
right.
That's
the
goal:
yeah
you're,
exactly
whatever
land
baking.
Whatever
you
guys
want
to
talk
about.
We
need
to
get
the
property
under
our
name,
so
we
could
sell
it
because
people
will
build
on
it.
Yeah
yeah.
A
Real
do
my
best
to
be
brief.
The
our
current
practice
right
now
is
we
we
wait
till
the
house
gets
in
poor
enough
condition.
Yeah
we
go
and
we
tear
it
down,
put
a
lien
on
the
property.
The
property
sits
goes
through
the
tax
sale
process.
City
comes
back
in
requires
the
the
site
on
tax
sale
clears
the
clears.
The
liens
works
with
the
developer
to
redevelop
the
property
that
takes
a
long
time.
A
Just
think
your
ward
yeah,
where
we've
identified
that,
if
we're
able
to
acquire
10
to
15
of
those
lots,
we
could
assemble
that
we
could
take
ownership.
We
could
assemble
those
together
and
Market
those
out
for
redevelopment
okay
and
that
that's
what
the
goal
would
be
now
granted
it
could.
The
geography
could
expand
a
little
bit
bigger.
A
C
D
B
B
B
However,
it's
also
where
I
think
within
the
realm
of
what
we
can
control
when
it
when
somebody
comes
and
purchases
up
a
property
through
a
tax
deed,
that's
a
great
time
for
our
vacant
property
register
to
registry
to
require
that
they
have
a
local
Point
person
right.
Some
of
those
things
that
are
within
that
vacant
property
registry.
B
That's
how
that
will
also,
hopefully
start
to
encourage
those
out-of-state,
Property
Owners
to
to
be
better
owners,
hopefully,
but
that
county
question
that
that's
that's
a
question
for
them
for
us
being
able
to
jump
the
line.
So
what
that
really
just
means
is
we
can
submit
a
list
in
it
kind
of
in
advance
where
we
say
these
are
the
ones
these
are
the
certificates
that
the
city
would
like,
and
so
those
are
the
ones
that
get
pulled
off
of
the
the
main
list
and
they
come
to
the
city.
B
First,
if
they're
still
tax
delinquent
at
the
time
of
the
sale,
and
so
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
with
with
pretty
good
success,
is
we've
we've
identified
within
that
ones
that
we're
gonna
kind
of
for
the
whole
life
cycle
of
that
certificate,
we're
going
to
hold
the
certificate
and
process
it
to
deed
and
some
we
also
have
the
option.
After
we
receive
the
certificate
that
we
could
identify
a
development
partner
and
assign
the
certificate
to
them
and
that
they
actually
process
the
certificate.
We
never
take
ownership.
B
They
have
to
do
all
the
certificate
work
and
we've
done
that
with
some
of
our
non-profit
developers
with
good
success.
The
trick
with
those
is:
they
cannot
be
certificates
that
have
really
a
bunch
of
other
maths
that
go
alongside
them
because
they
can't
they
can't
navigate
the
you
know
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
in
it
in
costs,
because
they'd
have
to
pay
that
they
stay
upside
down
so
strategically.
We
can
actually
do
a
few
more
things
within
the
tax
sale.
B
B
C
A
Real
the
other
way
to
think
of
it
for
like
strategy,
one
short
term
when
we
deal
with
tax
sales
certificates,
we're
thinking
short
term.
We
have
somebody
on
the
other
end,
that's
willing
to
take
it,
or
we
have
a
high
level
of
confidence
that
we
could
go
out
for
an
RFP
and
someone's
going
to
take
the
property,
we're
not
looking
at
it
for
short,
medium
term
or
or
the
long
term
when
it
comes
to
the
tax
sale.
G
G
G
C
Yeah,
but
those
aren't
in
the
middle
I
mean
I'm
talking
about
ones
that
are
in
the
middle
of
the
neighborhood
that
we
tore
down
the
house
that
we
need
to
get
some
infill
in
there
and
we
should
be
taking
all
of
them
and
finding
partners
that
want
to
build
these
they're.
There
I
mean
we
need
to
do
more
work,
getting
them
to
partner
with
them,
making
the
tax
sell
property
at
no
cost
and
giving
it
to
them
so
they'll
build
a
house.
So
we're
not
mowing
the
grass
now
every
45
days
and.
K
Right,
I,
think
and
I
think
one
of
the
keys
there
council
is
that
in
some
neighborhoods,
there's
multiple
properties
in
that
situation,
and
so
the
private
market
for
for
building
new
is,
is
leery
about
picking
off
just
one
or
two.
So
we
we
may
need
to
be
able
to
stomach
the
idea
of
taking
on
five
or
six
properties
within
a
small
area
within
a
smaller
neighborhood
such
that,
then
removing
all
of
that
negativity
in
the
properties
suddenly
leaves
an
attractive
five
Lots
in
a
neighborhood
that
can
sustain
new
construction
such
that
the
appraisal.
C
That
that
rehab
I
mean
there's
been
newer
homes
built
in
some
of
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about
that
are
substantially
more
than
the
houses
that
were
built
there
and
and
have
no
problem
building
them
and
getting
value
in
them.
So
there's
there's
potential
out
there
that
we
could
do
this.
There's.
B
It's
a
judgment,
lien
release
policy,
really
what
that
policy
is
doing
is
formalizing
some
of
the
practice
that
the
city's
actually
done
in
the
past
and
clarifying
when
things
will
come
to
council
when
things
could
be
done
administratively,
just
so
that
Crystal
Clear,
and
also
adding
in
a
section
for
nonprofit
developers
where,
if
they
have
the
ability
to
potentially
acquire
a
public
nuisance
structure
that
they
that
the
thing
that's
going
to
get
in
the
way
for
them
is
the
demolition
costs
that
they
could
come
and
talk
to
the
city.
About
that.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
kind
of
helpful
in
there
is.
We
also
clarify
and
set
out
some
boundaries
of
how
a
private
developer
could
interface.
With
that
program.
I
think
we've
had
in
the
past
some
Success
With
Private
developers
where
they've
asked
for
partial
releases,
but
it
gets
a
little
bit
more
opaque
in
how
to
navigate
if
a
full
release
was
needed.
So
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second
with
two
examples
for
you.
B
So
the
first
is
when
we
actually
brought
to
you
all
this
past
winter
2229
Elizabeth,
Avenue
habitat,
had
a
path
to
acquiring
the
property.
Alongside
a
taxo
buyer
who
held
the
certificate,
the
taxable
buyer
did
not
think
that
the
our
judgment
lien
was
going
to
pull
off
with
the
tax
sale,
and
so
they
were
going
to
abandon
the
certificate
if
they
didn't
have
a
pass.
B
B
So
we
actually
had
a
public
nuisance
case
around
1941,
Francis,
Avenue,
a
different
property
and
the
public
nuisance
when
we
demolished
it
that
actually
attaches
to
every
property
within
Polk
County
that
that
property
owner
owns-
and
in
this
case
it
included
1125
Clinton
Avenue,
that
home
started
to
fall
into
disrepair
and
the
owner
was
was
not
in
a
financial
place
where
they
could
address
the
repair.
So
they
were
working
with
this
private
developer
to
get
out
from
under
the
property
and
to
help
allow
those
repairs
to
happen
and
make
the
development
budget
work.
B
We
agreed
to
terms
of
a
partial
release
where
we
just
released
from
1125
Clinton
Avenue.
It
stays
on
the
other
property.
We
took
a
partial
payment,
so
those
that
was
one
example
where
again
now
now
1125
Clinton
Avenue
is
being
rehab,
which
is
very
helpful.
So
those
are
two
examples,
as
mentioned
in
the
in
the
policy,
was
really
just
to
kind
of
help
set
and
clarify
boundaries.
B
B
That
lean
waiver-
one
I,
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
heads
up
that
we
still
will
come,
of
course,
with
legal
action.
Roll
calls
around
the
tax
cell.
We
have
to
get
different
information
permission
to
participate
and
bring
you
lists
of
ones
that
we
want
to
process
sales
of
property
come
to
council.
Should
we
bring
forward
a
land
banking
proposal
that
comes
in
a
future
budget
cycle,
things
to
keep
in
mind,
scaling
up
and
some
of
these
they
require
staff,
time
and
notices.
B
They
require
kind
of
mapping
out
how
they
integrate
with
other
City
processes
like
you've
all
identified
it.
A
lot
of
this
is
really
intertwined
how
the
vacant
property
registry
meets.
This
is
really
important
and,
of
course,
actually
hashing
out
how
the
tools
would
really
work,
as
some
of
them
are
new
to
us
and
then
really
confirming.
When
are
this
the
genres
of
times
that
we're
comfortable
holding
property?
J
We've
actually
just
started
the
vacant
property
registry
out
in
the
field
this
spring.
So
since
we've
started
that
we
have
seen
several
properties
change
hands,
we
are,
we
are
seeing
Property
Owners
pull
permits
to
do
the
renovations
so
right,
and
so
it's
it's
a
process
and
it's
getting
started
and
I
think
we're
seeing
great
results
with
it,
but
it's
pretty
young
yet
to
we
just
started
hitting
the
ground
with
it.
This
spring.
J
A
D
A
M
Jerzek,
affordable
housing
programs
manager.
At
present,
we
have
a
small
team
at
the
city,
it's
myself,
it's
Tess
and
Paul
goldbeck.
We
are
working
with
a
consultant.
Her
name
is
Brenda
torpy
and
she
is
with
the
Champlain
Housing
Trust.
She
is
also
provides
technical
assistance
for
setting
up
Community
Land
trusts.
She
is
going
to
help
guide
us
through
that
process.
We
are
currently
working
on
a
contract
right
now
we
are
negotiating
the
scope.
M
Once
we
get
the
scope
done,
we'll
send
it
to
procurement
to
start
working
on
on
that,
then,
once
we
have
our
contract
signed,
then
we
will
begin
identifying
stakeholders
and
making
a
few
key
decisions.
Some
very
big
decisions
and
until
then
I
think
our
Focus
right
now
is.
Is
that
contract
and
then
working
with
Amos
for
planning
and
identifying
how
we're
going
to
move
together
and
identifying
their
strengths
identifying
our
strengths
so
that,
where
we
work
as
efficiently
and
effectively
as
we
can
and
putting
this
together,
any.
E
I
I
just
I
mean
I
think
this
was
the
Joe's
Point
like
what
what
sort
of
The
Next
Step
I
mean.
I.
Think
this
overview
of
the
tools
was
really
helpful:
understanding
how
we
allocate
dollars
to
the
various
tools
or
staff
times
to
various
tools
and
how
that
fits
within
a
larger
plan.
I
in
you
know
a
couple
of
the
other
pieces
that
maybe
weren't
here
that
you
know
ion
and
Blitz
on
blight
and
bacon
property
registry,
all
of
those
sort
of
fit
in
this
larger
plan.
What
how?
K
So
that
way,
I
think
we
could
get
to
a
point
where
Council
would
understand
how
how
we
are
investing
in
Redevelopment
and
with
these
tools,
all
of
the
tools
that
have
the
same
access
to
the
same
funding
and
that
way.
If
we
can
make
that
decision
in
advance
of
the
full
budget,
we
could
just
plug
that
in
to
the
larger
budget.
K
C
You
have
I
mean
I
I,
know
that
you
know
of
not
just
non-profits
that
build
homes,
but
people
that
build
homes
for
profit
that
are
looking
for
a
list
to
build
homes.
In
the
end,
build
I
mean
we,
we
know
of
them,
I
mean
I
personally,
know
multiple
ones
of
them.
Well,
that
doesn't
cost
anything
if
we're.
C
If
we
can
get
the
tax
sale
for
nothing
well,
I,
don't
understand
why
we're
making
it
very
complicated
and
you're,
making
it
a
budget
issue
where
we
can
turn
around
and
and
Market
these
ones
that
are
already
tore
down
that
if
we
can
go
and
get
the
certificate
and
say
look
at
these
are
these
are
the
the
properties
we
have?
What
are
you
interested
in?
What
are
you
interested
in
yeah.
A
A
lot
of
this
is
getting
control
of
the
property.
I
mean
that's
that's
what
we
always
come
back
to
the
blitz
on
blight.
You
know
we
tear
down
the
house,
put
the
lien
on
it.
Someone
else
still
owns
it.
So
it's
what
tools
do
we
have
to
go
after
to
secure
that
ownership?
A
lot
of
these
cases,
the
private
developer,
will
try
to
get
ownership,
but
they'll
need
some
assistance
for
the
from
the
city
or
some
tool
to
do
that,
and
that's
where
we
try
to
step
in
to
do
these.
C
A
K
A
We
have
we
yeah,
we
have.
We
have
Liz,
I,
I,
think
for
different
Builders
I.
Think
one
thing
we've
always
run
too
is
the
the
scale
you
know
they
need
a
number
of
properties
to
be
able
to
do
it
and
that's
probably
the
bigger
ones.
You
know
that
we've
talked
to
some
of
the
smaller
ones,
I
think
over
time,
we've
we've
worked
with
a
variety
of
them.
I
know
we
got
a
group
of
rehabbers
that
we've
worked
with
that
are,
are
interested
in
taking.
You
know,
lots
with
existing
structures.
B
The
other
thing,
I
think
I'm
kind
of
going
backwards,
always
like
also
keeping
in
mind
that
not
all
not
all
properties
are
tax,
delinquent
and
so
some
of
those
with
our
demolition,
liens
they're,
also
not
tax,
delinquent,
and
so
this
is
part
of
this
is
figuring
out
our
own
capacity
in
processing
using
more
tools
than
just
tax
sales.
So
we
don't
have
some
of
those
where
it's
like
someone's,
been
paying
the
the
small
dollar
taxes
on
this,
and
it's
just
been
staying,
buried
and
so
I
I.
L
All
right,
thanks,
Chris
and
thanks
to
everybody,
for
the
presentation
and
update
I,
think
we're
looking
forward
to
a
little
more
detail
as
we
move
forward
and
a
path
that
makes
some
sense
and
a
strategy
to
to
get
there
Scott,
given
the
dollars
that
we
have
to
for
all
these
plans
to
get
something
that
moves
forward
a
little
more
quickly.
So,
thanks
to
everybody,
unless
it's
got
there's
anything
else,
we
are
adjourned.
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
vote
session.