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From YouTube: 5-22-23 City Council work session
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Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, May 22, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
B
C
D
Great
good
morning,
honorable
mayor
members
of
the
council,
Eric
Lundy
deputy
director
of
Neighborhood
Services
and
acting
as
zoning
Enforcement
Officers
still
until
the
replacement
comes
forward.
At
that
point,
then
I'll
hopefully
hand
that
off
I
didn't
say
that
I
don't
know
if
I
can
handle
both
for
that
long
of
this,
that's
the
thing
so
we're
back
again.
I
think
that
your
last
Workshop
or
a
couple
workshops
that
go
around
a
little
long.
D
The
first
thing
that,
in
working
with
our
legal
department,
it
was
important
that
we
would
have
to
define
the
activity
of
what
these
are
actually
considered,
because
the
how
we
Define
them
is
critical
in
terms
of
how
we're
able
to
manage
and
enforce
with
regard
to
them.
In
this
case,
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
allow
these
types
of
bins
around
the
community,
we
definitely
want
to
be
specific
in
what
we
want
to
have
in
our
community
and
not
get
too
broad,
because
then
that
makes
it
harder
to
manage
and
enforce
over
time.
D
So
this
is
an
example
of
three
different
descriptions
used
in
three
different
ordinances
around
the
country.
You
can
see
that
the
facilities
range
everything
from
only
recycling
materials
to
other
salvageable
property
such
as
Consignment
types
of
things
you
see
with
Goodwill,
and
it
includes
the
use
then
for
distribution
or
or
resale
or
recycling
in
one
situation.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
important
because
in
the
the
company
we're
dealing
with
at
the
moment,
they
certainly
take
in
donations,
but
in
in
reality
they're.
D
What
they're
actually
doing
is
a
recycling
activity
they're
not
really
giving
them
back
to
resale
at
locations
or
anything
of
that
nature.
So
if
you
want
to
be
a
little
broader
to
allow
that
with,
maybe
another
company
would
also
make
the
donations
available
for
resale
or
Consignment,
then
you
would
want
to
broaden
the
definition.
But
if
you
strictly
just
want
to
allow
it
for
this
recycling
activity
that
we're
experiencing
right.
E
E
D
F
D
This
would
be
collected
at
the
city
clerk's
office.
If
we
did
it
in
this
method,
the
disadvantages
there
would
be
that
additional
staff
time
in
the
review
and
renewal
of
fees
and
a
cost.
And
of
course
we
would
want
to
recoup
that
through
the
feed
collection,
option
b
would
be
to
treat
him
more
as
an
accessory
structure
in
our
code
by
amending
chapter
135.
D
This
would
be
similar
baby
to
what
we
do
with
temporary
structures
and
would
only
be
a
one-time
thing
where
we
would
allow
them
as
a
as
a
specific
placement
and
basically
be
allowed
to
be
kept
there
in
perpetuity
as
a
structure
essentially
and
of
the
disadvantages
of
this
is
they're,
really
not
a
type
of
thing.
That's
covered
under
building
codes,
so
there
really
isn't
any
building
safety
kind
of
review
or
aspect
to
it.
They
are
more
challenging
to
enforce
when
they
do
get
moved
around
or
not
maintained,
and
certainly
the
enforcement.
D
When
there's
more
enforcement,
that's
going
to
add
more
cost,
and
then
the
revenue
in
this
situation
would
be
a
one-time
fee
situation
versus
an
annual
type
fee.
That
puts
a
little
bit
of
responsibility
to
be
maintaining
when
you
have
an
annual
type
fee
and
there's
another
review
option
C
we're
talking
about
a
conditional
use
that
we
go
to
zoning
Board
of
adjustment.
D
When
we
have
this
process,
this
would
be
a
higher
level
of
transparency
with
neighbors,
because
there'd
be
a
notification
process,
there
would
be
a
formal
hearing
and
the
enforcement
is
a
little
stronger.
Perhaps
because,
when
we
go
through
this
process,
we
have
kind
of
a
stronger
legal
leverage.
If
we
do
have
problems
by
taking
them
back
to
the
zoning
Board
of
adjustment,
making
them
accountable,
certainly
on
the
end
of
enabling
them
the
disadvantages.
This
is
a
more
onerous
process.
D
That
would
involve
time
if
you
think
about
all
the
locations
that
they
want
to
put
these.
That
would
involve
that
many
separate
items
in
front
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
adjustment
and
certainly
cost
wise,
probably
the
most
costly
in
terms
of
the
staff,
time
and
review
for
that
board
process.
So
those
are
the
that
would
be
the
disadvantages
and
then,
of
course,
option
D
is.
Is
that
what
we're
doing
currently
the
advantages
are?
We
would
not
require
any
code
amendment
process.
D
This
would
be
the
most
discouraging
to
the
allowance
for
these
bins,
probably
the
biggest
hurdles
to
be
treated
as
a
dumpster
with
a
full
enclosure,
that's
very
expensive,
I'm
sure,
and
then
the
disadvantages
of
this
are
we
were.
We
would
not
be
able
to
really
realistically
enable
or
practically
enable
this
business
model
and
when
we
do
get
them
we're
in
an
enforcement
situation
going
after
somebody
doing
something
they're
completely
not
allowed
to
do.
Basically,
so
that's
the
the
disadvantages.
D
D
We
want
a
certain
amount
of
information
and
basically
to
register
these,
make
sure
that
we
have
owner's
consent,
making
sure
that
we
have
owners
approval
for
the
city
to
come
in
and
remove,
if,
if
possible,
that's
something
I
think
we
still
would
need
legal
review
on,
but
it
would
be
one
of
the
intents
here.
We
would
want
the
owner
to
waive
their
rights
to
go
after
anybody
for
damages,
especially
the
city.
D
With
regard
to
these,
we
would
want
them
to
provide
a
plan
that
shows
where
these
are
going
to
be
located
so
that
we
can
hold
them
to
this
plan
and
that
location
with
specifics.
We
would
want
to
limit
this
to
a
one-year
allowance
to
start
building
a
track
record
and
also
have
a
review
to
make
sure
things
are
being
maintained
and
kept
properly.
F
D
We
would
be
able
to
be
defensible
to
limiting
them
from
those
areas
where
they
might
be
more,
become
more
clutter
or
add
to
more
sign,
clutter.
Other
things
that
you
see
in
mixed
use
in
commercial
areas.
We
definitely
want
to
regulate
where
these
can
be
within
the
property.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
a
vacant
property
we
want
it
to
have
a
primary
use.
D
Staff
is
recommending
that
it
be
outside
the
front
yard
or
Street
side
yard
setback
for
the
buildings
that
are
on
the
property,
as
we
currently
Define
them
by
chapter
135,
that
we
don't
place
them
with
any
Drive
aisles
loading
spaces,
fire
Lanes
walkways
to
impede
pedestrian
or
vehicle
traffic,
and
we
do
not
want
them
placed
in
within
the
right
away.
In
fact,
we're
recommending
100
feet
you've
seen
I
highlighted
that
on
the
slide
there.
That's
certainly
something
I
think
that
the
council
would.
D
We
would
want
the
council
to
weigh
in
on
whether
that's
extending
it
too
far
back
for
what
the
you
know
allowance.
If
there's
this
allowance
for
this
business
model
is
that
putting
them
at
any
kind
of
disadvantage,
we
we
believe
100
feet
appropriate,
but
certainly
that
would
be
something
that
the
council
would
have
something
to
talk
about
on
that.
D
D
D
D
F
At
the
the
question
that
I
have
is
I
mean
we
have
an
ordinance
against
these
now,
and
these
just
appeared
did
the
people
who
are
running
this
I
mean
how
confident
are
that
they
would
even
follow
these
rules
because
they
placed
them
there
and
they're
not
even
supposed
to
be
there
now
and
they
didn't.
They
didn't,
come
and
talk
to
anybody.
They
didn't
so.
D
I've,
had
you
know
a
lot
of
conversations
since
they
had
originally
popped
up
and
and
so
they've
they've
they've
presented
their
business
model
I.
Don't
think
we
see
on
it
eye
to
eye
on
everything
for
sure
I
mean
they
want
them.
You
know
in
those
places
that
they've
placed
them,
which
in
some
cases
was
actually
on
right
of
ways.
D
D
Yeah,
it's
a
substantial
difference
again
and
I
didn't
just
draw
that
out
of
a
hat.
That
was
one
that
was
in
several
places
around
the
country.
I
think
it's
probably
because
in
a
lot
of
cases,
there's
a
lot.
These
are
expected
to
be
on
larger
properties
like
schools,
or
you
know
something
with
a
bigger
scale
than
a
small
like
a
small
business
for
instance,
but
so
typically
I
would
say.
D
D
C
Here,
if
I
could
interject
that
one
one
another
way
of
thinking
about
this
is,
if
you
wanted
to
allow
these,
would
you
want
them
to
be
destinations
that
have
an
association
with
the
property
owner?
The
school
is
talking
about
it
with
their
parents
or
the
church
is
talking
about
it
or
do
you
want
them
for
the
general
public?
That
may
not
be
aware
of
them.
C
D
D
D
I
D
I
would
think,
and
if,
if
you
come
forward
with
changes
in
front
of
you
for
a
formal
process-
and
you
might
even
want
another
Board
of
commission
to
look
at
this
as
a
sounding
board-
not
really
I'm,
just
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there-
it
doesn't
it's
not
a
requirement
I'm
just
saying
that
there
would
be
public
input
through
that
process,
and
so
you
don't
have
to
decide
today,
but
certainly
the
direction
we're
proposing
is
a
hundred.
If
you
think
we're
way
off,
we
probably
need
to
go.
Take
take
away
something
different
today.
D
D
D
D
We
would
want
it
to
be
put
on
a
durable
paved
surface,
not
on
grass
surface.
Some
of
those
currently
are
on
grass
surfaces,
donation
bins.
We
do
not
want
to
collect
any
kind
of
hazardous
type
materials,
so
we
would
want
to
Mark
as
such,
basically
so
that
they
don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
intention
to
do
so,
but
we
would
want
to
make
it
clear
it's
on
the
operators
and
the
owners
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
occur,
and
then
we
would
want
messaging
on
these.
D
A
D
D
Rather
so,
I
think
even
in
other
places
around
the
country,
you
know
those
those
entities
actually
have
bins
themselves.
In
other
places,
I
think
in
in
central
Iowa
they've
found
that
they
are
better
off
having
donations
brought
to
their
specific
location
where
they
can.
You
know,
process
and
manage
that
immediately,
but.
H
D
H
A
F
D
E
D
H
D
C
G
I
I
would
keep
it
very
narrow
at
the
beginning,
and
then
you
know
if
we
need
to
expand.
I
know
that
it
doesn't
even
Metro
Waste
have
like
cardboard
recycling
in
some
communities
somewhere
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
but
I'm
just
saying
I
would
keep
it
very
narrow
right
now
and
and
make
sure
the
size
and
specifications
and
get
them
off
the
sidewalk
and
and
try
it
because
their
clothing
is
something
that
just
there's
no
place
to
win
it's
old.
It's.
F
I
I'm
I'm
only
supportive
if
it's
in
the
back
behind,
where
it's
not
visibly
seen
by
the
neighborhood
I,
think
it's
it's
a
detriment
to
our
neighborhoods.
To
have
these
bins
and
we're
just
opening
it
up.
We
have
one
and
then
we
have
two
and
then
pretty
soon
we
have
five
or
six
different
different
kinds
of
recycling.
F
I
just
think:
there's
there's
better
ways
to
do
it
so
I'm
only
going
to
be
so
I'm
only
going
to
vote
for
it
if
it
is
in
the
back
with
the
ref
with
the
other
Refuge
containers.
Now,
if
they,
if
you
make
them
close
them
or
not,
I
don't
care
about
that,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
should
have
to
drive
by
and
see.
A
D
D
Well
so,
in
this
case
I
don't
know,
I
can't
speak
to
whether
some
of
it
ends
up
in
the
landfill
or
not
but
I'm
paying
them
believe
they
use
the
school.
They
do
have
buyers
for
this
material.
That
gets
makes
it
a
commodity.
So
I
don't
know.
I
can't
speak
to
how
much
that
may
end
up
in
the
landfill
at
the
end.
Okay,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
the
process
that
far.
H
H
So
I
mean
we
know
where
it
needs
to
be
on
a
hard
surface.
I
agree
with
that.
I
mean
it
can't
sit
on
the
grass
I
mean
it's
Gotta
look
I
mean
they
they've
moved
most
of
them
that
weren't
looking
a
little
unprofessional,
we'll
leave
it
at
that.
So
I
they've
noticed
I've
noticed
they
have
moved
those
but
I,
think
they're
getting
used
and
I
I
know
I've
heard
for
some
of
the
schools
that
you
know
don't
take
those
things
away.
You
know
they.
Actually
we
actually.
D
D
What
is
acceptable
so
that
when
we
do
have
to
enforce,
we
have
affirmative
language
in
the
code
that
would
give
us
the
ability
to
send
up
notice
this
violation
that
type
of
thing
I'll
give
you
more
time
since
we
got
you
know
we
slowed
down
there.
I
didn't
wanna,
read
all
of
these
to
you,
but
they're
set
up
to
basically
give
us
the
ability
to
enforce
on
those
situations
that
we
don't
want
to
see.
D
We
would
want
a
fee
again,
that's
both
to
recoup
our
costs
as
the
city
as
well
as
having
something
there
in
place,
so
that
somebody's,
not
just
walking
in
the
door,
making
an
application
or
something
without
really
being
organized
or
a
proper
vendor.
Then
the
other
thing
is
sign.
Interest
restrictions,
I,
think
20
square
feet
was
what
we
know
we
saw
on
the
other
examples
around
the
country,
so.
D
B
D
Want
him
to
become
a
sign,
we're
not
regulating
content
by
the
way,
so
My
worry
is
that
you
start
getting
them
up
at
the
front,
then
they're
going
to
want
to
slap
other
types
of
advertising
on
them.
If
you
give
them
a
lot
of
leeway
with
the
area,
so
certainly
I
think
we
would
want
to
limit
the
area
if
they're
going
to
be
allowed
to
be
closer
than
oh,
the
hundred
feet
that
we're
suggesting
for
sure
so.
D
D
Yeah
I
think
at
Edmonds
is
where
we
ran
into
the
situation
where
it's
on
the
Bus
drop
area
that
they
don't
use
anymore
apparently,
but
it's
in
that
was
actually
in
the
right
of
way,
so
they
pushed
those
back
and
then
then
it
Windsor
I
think
it's
right
up
against
this.
The
public
sidewalk
there
on
University
in
the
grass
so
that
wouldn't
be
allowed
in.
D
So
the
next
steps
for
the
Council
and
staff
are
to
get
legal.
Legal's
already
got
a
good
set
of
language
here
to
start
from,
and
won't
take
long
to
put
together
the
draft
language
for
coming
back
in
front
of
you
for
approval
for
the
code.
We
would
also
want
to
communicate
with
stakeholders
about
this
process
so
that
they
know
where
their
opportunities
are
for
involvement
in
the
approval
of
any
changes.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
working
with
other
departments
here
in
the
city
to
update
any
systems
like,
for
example,
transient
Merchants
is
something
that
gets
tracked
through
the
intergov
system.
We
would
probably
set
up
a
similar
type
system
where
the
vendors
are
applying
through
our
online
portal
and
most
of
the
permitting
is
an
electronic
type
review
and
permitting.
D
D
H
D
At
that
point,
we
can
now
then
begin
to
because
right
now,
everything's
kind
of
on
pause,
we're
not
we're
not
sending
anything
in
front
of
the
district
court
or
anything
on
enforcement.
So,
depending
on
which
direction
we
had,
we
would
either
get
them
into
compliance
with
permits
and
and
locations
and
so
forth,
or
go
back
to
doing
what
we
were
doing
before.
If
we
don't
do
anything.
H
G
I
would
agree,
I
mean
I
like
option.
A,
I
I
think
the
100
foot
setback
is
is
too
much
and
I
think
we'll
get
feedback
about
that
from
the
stakeholders.
I
I,
you
know,
25
feet
seems
like
it
would
accomplish
a
lot
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
with
100
foot
but
give
a
little
more
flexibility
so
that
it
can
be
workable
for
for
what
this
is
trying
to
accomplish.
As.
D
D
So,
as
I
indicated
in
that
one
point
we
would
want
this
would
come
along.
This
permitting
process
would
involve
a
site
map
right
and
they
would
actually
have
to
designate
where
that
is.
We
would
review
that
and
make
sure
that
it
meets
all
of
those
standards
not
blocking
any
traffic
ways,
not
eating
up
parking,
that
they
need.
That
type
of
thing.
D
That
the
property
owner
would
have
to
consent,
because
they're
also
consenting
to
allow
then
the
city
to
come
in
and
abate
if
necessary.
So
it's
the
property
owner
consenting,
but
if
the
vendor
wants
to
do
all
the
legwork.
For
that
you
know
the
using
the
CSS
portal
online.
It's
just
like
a
signed
contractor
can
pull
a
permit
for
a
property
owner,
so
it
can
be
set
up
that
way.
So.
A
D
D
I
knew
it
until
you
asked
me
sorry,
but
yes,
I
I
have
a
contact.
That's
at
the
great
thanks.
That's
he's
been
the
one.
That's
that
first
made
the
phone
call
when
we
sent
out
notices
so
they're
they're,
aware
and
they're
they're
staying
neutral
right
now.
Until
something
comes
out
of
this
process,
it's.
H
D
One
of
the
things
that
we
would
look
at
when
legal
repairs
code
languages,
the
enforcement
process,
whether
that
in
right
now,
for
example,
transient
Merchants-
involves
a
administrative
hearing
officer
option.
So
that
would
be
something
that
we
would
also
come
back
with.
I
don't
really
have
until
they
look
at
the
case
law
and
things
I.
Don't
have
a
good
solution
for
sure
on
how
to
do
that.
But
what.
D
H
I'm
sure
they'll
have
an
opportunity
to
move
it
into
the
right
place,
but
if
they
refuse
to
move
it
in
the
right
place,
I
would
say
30
days.
It
would
be
plenty
of
ample
time
to
move
it
in
the
right
place.
If
it's
not
in
the
right
place
within
30
days,
then
yes,
I
would
hope
that
we
would
come
up
with
some
type
of
legal
action
to
remove
it.
D
Well,
it's
our
hope
that
we
can
have
them
agree
to
that
at
the
front.
Yes,
what
I
don't
know
is
if
we
can
legally
ask
them
to
agree
to
something
and
then
well
I'd
get
it
in
the
front
side.
We're
going
to
attempt
to
do
that.
Yes,
okay,
I,
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
there
might
be
some
analysis
on
the
legal
end
that
comes
up
with
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
to
that.
C
The
next
item,
mayor
and
council,
is
addressing
policy
addressing
policy,
and
this
is
where
we
have
put
into
writing.
The
staff
have
put
together
draft
policy
on
how
to
handle
both
new
addresses
when
you've
got
new
construction,
but
also
when
we
come
across
issues,
especially
with
Public
Safety,
and
being
able
to
locate
different
properties
and
cleaning
up
some
of
the
addresses
that
maybe
are
inconsistent.
C
So
in
the
past
it
was
a
case-by-case
situation
and
we
needed
to
get
this
in
writing
what
the
policy
actually
is,
and
a
group
from
multiple
departments
sat
down
and
worked
through
this
over
several
months.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
the
work
and
effort
that
went
into
this.
This
particular
policy,
so
Eric.
D
Thank
you
so,
just
by
by
luck,
you
got
me
on
another
item.
It
was
already
scheduled
before
the
one
that
got
bumped
so
so
this
is
another
function
of
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
by
code.
The
zoning
enforcement
officer
serves
as
the
address
administrator
as
well,
so
it
does
fall
into
the
neighborhood
services
Arena.
D
Why
are
we
talking
about
this?
You
know
we've
addressed
as
long
as
I've
been
here.
It's
something
we
do
every
day
just
about,
but
why
are
we
bringing
this
back
to
the
city
council,
some
of
it's
due
to
the
fact
that
we've
changed
our
organization
structurally
into
two
different
departments,
but
both
of
those
departments
deal
with
addressing,
so
we
have
to
sort
of
Define
what
the
different
roles
are.
The
other
thing
is
that
we
changed
our
technology
on
how
we
do
permitting
and
a
number
of
things
that
really
are
address
based
systems.
D
So
we
also
wanted
to
have
some
clear
policy
on
how
we
are
doing
addressing
to
make
sure
we're
facilitating
those
systems
this.
So
through
this
process,
we
we
created
a
team
across
departments
and
some
of
them
are
here
today
the
Fire
Marshals
here
Jonathan
Lund
pot
gold
deck
from
the
manager's
office.
D
We
had
involvement
from
the
I.T
Department
GIS
Services
development
services,
all
the
public
safety,
both
fire
police.
They
were
very
involved
in
this
review
process.
So,
thanks
to
all
those
that
were
involved,
of
course,
because
you
can't
just
take
one
perspective
on
this
or
you
don't
come
up
with
a
good
solution.
D
D
D
Who
gets
involved
in
addressing,
of
course,
the
developers,
the
owners
of
property
are
the
ones
that
we
generally
initiate
an
address
situation,
but
also
many
situations
are
through
City
departments,
depending
on
a
public
project
that
causes
changes
in
addressing.
So
we
have
multiple
departments
that
provide
input
to
address
changes.
D
Occasionally
we
get
input
from
outside
of
the
city
on
needs
for
addressing
every
once
in
a
while
I
get
a
phone
call
from
somebody
at
the
post
office
saying
that
they're
having
a
problem
with
a
situation
that
was
probably
a
broken
addressing
assignment
from
years
ago.
That's
made
it
difficult
for
them
to
actually
deliver
mail.
So
so
we
do
get
contacted
from
these
outside
agencies,
the
other
one
is
Mid-American,
and
some
of
the
Utility
Partners
need
addresses
for
what
they
do
as
well.
So.
D
Or
anything
that
we
may
need
to
go
back
in
and
fix
now,
I
wouldn't
be
suggesting
that
we're
going
to
go
and
overhaul
everybody's
address
around
the
city
through
this
through
this.
But
there
are
situations
that
get
made
aware
where
we
do
probably
need
to
fix
a
problem
with
an
address
change
on
an
existing
situation
and.
D
D
D
So
this
is
a
little
list
of
reasons
why
we
address
there's
many
reasons.
I've
already
mentioned
several
of
them.
Probably
the
most
common
is
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
property
out
there
that
we
get
a
lot
of
infills
now.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
requests
to
get
an
address,
so
they
can
get
a
building
permit
to
build
a
home
on
a
property,
but
we
also
have
a
lot
of
addressing
that
gets
it
done
with
cladding
of
new
properties
and
Commercial
projects
where
they
need
sub
addresses
like
Suite
numbers
and
things
like
that.
D
So
it's
it's
a
constant
thing
that
gets
put
on
my
plate.
I
can
tell
you
that
again
the
goals
Public
Safety
is
the
Paramount
consistency,
predictability
weight.
Finding.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
find
their
way
to
a
location,
even
if
that's
a
Metro
net
control
box
at
the
edge
of
the
street.
Somebody
needs
to
find
their
way
to
that.
If
there's
a
problem
or
the
person
that
needs
to
read
the
electrical
meter.
So
it's
very
in
in
today's
information
Aid
that
information
is
very
important.
D
What's
in
our
code
today
we
have
sections
of
the
code
that
address
different
aspects
of
addressing
the
fire
code,
chapter
26,
which
is
a
permitting
at
a
chapter
of
our
code
that
talks
about
address
identification
on
buildings,
chapter
102
as
well,
which
is
the
subdivision
part
of
the
subdivision-
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
106.
D
D
We
have
a
policy
guide
that
was
put
together
in
2004,
but
I,
don't
believe
that
ever
went
through
the
city
council,
so
it
was
drafted
by
a
group
and
we
had
been
generally
operating
under
it,
but
not
actually
something
that
went
to
the
city
councils.
Another
piece
to
that
was
the
addressing
Administration
guide
in
2012,
which
got
gave
more
specifics
on
the
practical.
D
Application
of
addressing
how
we
and
again
this
process
we're
sort
of
merging
those
things
and
then
in
2009
there
was
a
policy
on
renaming
streets
with
honorable
names,
other
facilities
throughout
the
city,
like
parks
and
Parkland
City
buildings,
with
naming
that's
on
the
that's
sort
of
on
the
periphery
of
this.
But
it
is,
it
is
related.
D
It's
actually
a
larger
scope
than
the
group
that
worked
on
the
policy
update,
but
it
meets
monthly,
and
so
we
go
over
situations
that
have
come
up
that
deal
with
addressing
and
moreheads
is
always
helpful
to
get
different
perspectives.
And,
of
course,
we
always
want
to
have
something:
that's
safe
and
works
for
works
for
the
end
user,
so
that
process
keeps
it
from
being
one
individual,
making
everything
making
all
the
decisions.
F
D
Actually,
they
should
be
using
Des
Moines.
Now
the
problem
is
when
the
the
data
that
the
post
office
provides
to
like
private
companies
that
use
addressing
use,
they
use
a
name
associated
with
that
zip
code.
So
if
we
have
zip
codes
that
overlap
in
the
Des
Moines
jurisdiction,
it
may
be
an
out
a
primary
Altoona,
zip
code
and
they've
been
using.
D
D
F
D
D
D
D
H
D
H
D
G
H
D
We
do
run
into
problems
when
the
Googles
or
the
you
know,
Amazons
of
the
world,
don't
key
those
in
the
right
way.
We
had
one
individual
called
me
that
somehow
that
they
didn't
put
one
of
the
south
side,
streets,
Sheridan
or
something
they
had
identical
numbers
yeah,
but
you
can't
avoid
because
there's
just
so
many
numbers
right
right.
D
D
So
that's
an
extreme
example,
but
yeah
it
happens
for
sure,
and
we
get
calls
about
it.
Trust
me
and
then
some
of
those
I
can
you
know,
look
if
just
changing
their
number
isn't.
Gonna
necessarily
it'll
help
them,
but
it
isn't
always
a
possibility
because
there
may
not
be
that
number
available
to
do
that,
based
on
who's
on
the
either
side
of
their
property.
But
so
in
some
cases
I
can't
do
anything
for
that
situation
other
than
we
can
send
something
to
Google.
Saying
hey.
D
It's
come
to
our
attention
sure
that
we
have
this
issue
and
some
of
that
you
put
into
Google,
Maps
or
whatever,
and
it's
not
coming
up
right
and
that,
unfortunately,
delivery
people
use
that
information.
So
it
it's
important
that'd
be
that'd,
be
something
we
would
love
to
update
our
or
get
a
better
relationship
with
to
affect
or
have
an
influence
on
that
information.
D
These
are
just
examples
of
the
suffix
types
we
want
to
have
a
limited
list.
You
know
we
get
some
kind
of
weird
developers
like
to
propose
some
pretty
wild
things,
to
be
honest
with
you
so,
but
we
want
to
have
a
limited
set
that
we
work
within
when
we're
letting
them
know
what
you
have
available
when
you're
coming
up
with
your
street
names
we're
on
a
hundred
block,
you
know
interval
scheme.
D
We
do
want
to
go
in
numeric
sequence,
you
know,
even
in
the
example
here
where
we
have
a
driveway
being
back
to
a
big
box
retailer,
where
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
sequence,
going
south
for
the
number
you
know
on
the
Southeast
14th
Street
the
numbers
get
bigger
as
you
go
south.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
and
emergency
services
are
finding
that
by
way
of
the
sequence
as
they
come
up
on
the
street
with
their
main
entrance.
Something.
D
Yeah,
it's
possible
that
we
would
look
at
an
address
change
in
that
situation
if
it
made
sense
from
a
public.
You
know
if
it
made
it
better
for
the
fire
department
or
the
emergency
services
to
get
to
there
quicker.
We
would
certainly
consider
that
it
is
there's
also
something
to
not
just
changing
somebody's
address.
That's
been
that
way.
For
you
know,
hundreds
of
years,
sometimes
so,
I
I,
agree
yeah.
Although.
G
D
We
really
generally
only
want
to
address
off
public
streets.
That
speaks
to
the
example
councilman
Gatto
mentioned,
where
we're
addressing
our
private
streets
again
in
certain
large-scale
situations
with
a
lot
of
private
streets.
We
can't
avoid
that
Airport's,
an
actual
example
of
that
they're
technically
public,
because
the
airport's
public
but
they're,
not
public
street
rightaways.
So
we
have
to
address
off
of
named
drives
and
Roads
that
are
within
the
airport,
just
because
it's
so
large
and
and
to
be
able
to.
C
D
C
D
We
also
have
to
avoid
duplicative
names
that
this
comes
up
when
we've
had
to
rename
at
the
fringes
when
we
Annex
the
same
name
has
been
used.
Carpenter
is
a
good
example.
We
have
Carpenter
up
in
the
Drake
area.
We
had
Carpenter
in
Warren
County.
Well,
we
couldn't
have
addressing
off
a
carpenter
down
at
the
south
at
you
know,
miles
away
that
creates
a
problem.
So
when,
whenever
we
Annex,
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
that
make
sure
we're
not
duplicating
names,
I,
also
don't
wanna.
D
D
D
D
D
So
we
have
some
scenarios:
I
can
run
through
them,
I
don't
know
if
times
becoming
an
issue.
These
are
some
scenarios
that
are
really
kind
of
great
examples
of
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
addressing
apartments
and
condos.
These
are
projects.
You
know.
In
the
last
30
years,
we've
certainly
had
a
lot
of
our
housing
has
become
reviewed
under
apartments
and
condos,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
them
in
a
way
that
Public
Safety
can
find
them.
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
unique
street
address
number
to
the
main
entrance
of
the
apartment
or
condo
development,
separate
address
numbers
we
want
to
see
assigned
to
the
property
where
there's
a
main
driveway
that
joins
the
public.
Street
mixed-use
buildings
in
multiple
buildings
should
be
assigned
a
single
numerical
address
when
possible
and
then
with
a
letter
designation
for
each
building
on
that
same
property,
so
that
you'll
see
why
that
comes
up.
This
is
an
example
down
on
the
Southeast
side,
the
Melbourne
apartments
that
overall
property
as
a
single
address.
D
Then
it
has
buildings
ABCD
all
the
way
through
I
and
then
within
each
building.
Third
separate
unit
numbers
based
on
the
floor,
the
numbering
matches
the
floor
to
the
east.
That's
a
another
project
again,
where
you
see
the
number
the
street
numbers
the
same
with
unit
numbers
under
different
building
letter
numbers.
D
Townhomes
and
Row
Housing
again
with
unique,
especially
with
separate
Parcels,
relates
related
to
the
town
home,
separate
ownership
Parcels.
We,
if
there's
enough
available,
addresses
we
try
to
give
them
unique,
numbered
addresses
that
isn't
always
possible,
though
so
here's
a
couple
other
examples
with
some
of
the
properties.
Again,
we
do
that,
even
if
they're,
not
the
unit,
doesn't
front
the
street
directly
where
we
have
a
drive
coming
in,
we
still
want
to
address
with
a
unique
number
moving
back
with
a
bigger
number,
as
you
go
back
away
from
the
street.
D
Then
we
have
down
in
the
Gray's
station
area,
great
Gray's,
Landing
I'm,
sorry,
so
these
are
all
private
drives
that
come
off
of
a
public
street,
so
the
north-south
street
there
is
Southwest,
12th,
I,
believe
and
again
with
each
Drive,
depending
on
which
side
of
the
street
it
is.
It
gets
odd
or
even
numbers,
and
then
they
each
of
those
units
gets
separate
numbers
numbered
locations.
If
there's
enough
numbers
available
in
that
range
again,
if
we
get
too
dense,
we
may
have
to
go
to
another
solution.
D
D
D
D
This
is
the
process
of
discussion
about
how
we
do
notify
when
there
is
an
address
change.
It
does
vary
depending
on
what's
causing
this.
If
it's
just
a
utility
box
where
it
needs
a
address
for
the
meter,
we
don't
involve
a
whole
bunch
of
jurisdictions.
We
do
we
will
you
know,
for
instance,
the
post
office
doesn't
really
need
to
mail
it,
but
we
still,
we
will
still
send
them
a
notice
in
those
situations.
D
E
D
So
the
next
steps
here
are
coming
forward,
then,
with
the
draft
policy
which
won't
take
much
time
because
it's
already
drafted,
we
didn't
want
to
throw
it
in
your
lap
to
have
you
reading
through
it.
While
we
sort
of
outline
this
for
you
but
we'll
provide
that
with
the
process
coming
forward,
that'll
involve
some
text
changes
to
the
code
to
acknowledge
the
policy.
D
Is
it
comes
forward
and
then,
at
the
end
of
that
approval
process,
then
we
would
disseminate
information
to
all
the
stakeholders
and
make
it
available
on
our
website
and
so
forth
for
the
public
to
understand
how
we're
what
our
policy
is
on
addressing,
so
that
it's
clear
when
somebody
has
an
address
issue,
what
they
need
to
do,
who
they
need
to
direct
their
questions
to
how
they
might
get
it
changed.
I,
don't
know
if
we
really
want
to
invite
them
to
just
ask
or
request
an
address
because
they
want
one.
D
D
So
that,
to
be
honest
with
you,
when
we
do
make
a
change,
I
mean
unless
they're
already
involved
in
the
discussion
with
us.
They
aren't
necessarily
there
are
occasions
where
we
have
to
change
somebody's
address,
because
it
needs
to
be
changed
for
a
safety
reason
or
something
and
okay.
We
just
notified
them.
They
generally
have
a
year
to
make
the
transition
and.
D
So
yeah
it
gives
them
some
time
to
you
know,
so
they
aren't
immediately
faced
with
they
do
need.
They
do
have
a
30-day
window
to
post
it
so
that
Public
Safety
can
find
it,
for
example.
But
we
have
some
situations
in
our
neighborhoods
where
somehow
a
house
got
addressed
out
of
sequence
and
then
we're
having
trouble
with
some
vacant,
lots
that
need
houses,
house
numbers
and
they
can't
use
the
number
that's
out
of
sequence,
so
we'll
re-address
that
house
and
we
send
them
a
letter
notifying
them
that
they're
getting
a
change.
D
But
one
example
was
a
situation
at
the
aib
campus,
with
some
of
the
addressing
that
occurred
there,
where
we
went
a
little
bit
back
and
forth
on
an
address,
but
we
once
we
got
it
through.
The
committee
I
think
we
landed
on
being
able
to
accommodate
their
need
and
our
needs
as
well.
So
there
is
a
little
bit
of
arbitration
going
on
there
in
that
committee
from
time
to
time.