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From YouTube: 5-24-23 Zoning Board of Adjustment
Description
Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, May 24, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/ZBOAatHome
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A
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A
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
city
council.
The
board
members
are
volunteers
and
they
receive
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'm,
going
to
take
a
minute
here
to
introduce
our
board
members
on
the
audience's
right
as
Tom
desio
next
to
him
is
Dave
gear.
A
Next
to
him
as
Rhonda
sadillo
on
the
audience's
left
is
Justin
gross
and
next
to
him
is
marlus
Jones
and
my
name
is
Mel
pins,
the
board
chair
and
we
have
one
vacant
seat
that
hasn't
been
nobody's
been
appointed.
Yet
for
that
so
I
have
six
of
seven
of
us
present
today
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
city
staff
members
who
will
be
assisting
us
with
our
proceedings
today.
First
of
all,
our
legal
counsel
for
the
board
of
adjustment
to
my
left
is
Gary
guidelock
down
here.
A
Kind
of
almost
an
order
of
appearance
is
Frank,
Don,
Young,
Senior
city
planner,
shrey,
Yosi,
chakravati
city
planner,
Bert,
drost,
Deputy,
planning,
administrator
Catherine,
drahas
city
planner
and
Eric
Lundy.
Our
zoning
enforcement
officer,
Tyler
Hall,
is
our
meeting
moderator
here
down
in
front
I'll,
go
ahead
and
cover
our
meeting
procedure
for
some
of
you.
This
may
be
your
first
time
in
front
of
the
board.
You
may
hope
it's
your
only
time,
but
we
will
take
you
through
the
process
here.
A
So
don't
worry
about
the
process,
we'll
help
you
out,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
review
this
just
so
everybody
has
an
idea.
The
Zoning
Board
of
adjustment
is
a
quasi-judicial
board.
This
hearing
will
be
conducted
within
the
procedures
and
format
as
authorized
by
Iowa
law
and
this
City's
ordinances.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
The
meeting
is
being
recorded
by
both
audio
and
video
for
a
legal
record
of
these
proceedings.
A
The
board
members
have
each
received
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations
and
if
you
haven't
picked,
one
of
those
up
yet
copies
of
the
agenda
are
here
by
the
door.
In
the
little
black
box
there,
the
borders
required
to
base
its
decision
on
each
item
upon
their
criteria
established
by
law
for
the
type
of
relief
sought
by
the
appellant.
The
law
applicable
to
each
case
has
been
identified
in
the
written
staff
report.
A
A
We
will
then
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing
on
that
agenda
item.
Anyone
that
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
in
opposition,
to
or
even
in
neutrality
of
an
appeal
will
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
each
to
provide
their
comments.
This
will
be
their
one
and
only
opportunity
to
address
the
board
regarding
the
matter
at
hand.
A
All
speakers
must
only
speak
from
the
podium
here
in
the
center
of
the
room
and
begin
their
presentation
by
first
giving
both
their
name
and
the
address,
and
that
address
can
be
your
place
of
business
or
your
residence
as
applicable.
In
the
event,
you
may
need
to
be
contacted
for
legal
notices
related
to
the
outcome
of
this
appeal.
A
Speakers
are
also
asked
to
ensure
that
they
are
respectful
of
time
considerations
and,
if
necessary,
the
board
chair
will
limit
further
comments
by
a
speaker
if
they
exceed
their
time
limitation.
The
board
chair
will
then
close.
Any
further
public
comment
on
the
agenda
item
and
the
board
will
immediately
deliberate
the
request,
and
we
will
make
a
decision
here
today
regarding
the
appeal.
A
If
your
appeal
is
approved
today,
we
would
ask
that
you
wait
until
at
least
about
a
week
from
now,
if
you
need
to
contact
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center
to
obtain
any
necessary
building
or
sign
permits
related
to
your
appeal.
This
will
allow
the
decision
of
this
board
to
be
documented
in
the
form
of
a
decision
in
order
which
will
be
then
provided
to
you
and
City
staff.
A
A
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today,
as
part
of
any
presentation,
is
a
part
of
the
permanent
record.
So
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
present
today
with
photos
or
Graphics
or
Maps
or
anything
if
you
have
not
provided
copies
of
those
to
City
staff,
you'll
need
to
do
so
and
you
may
contact
City
staff
after
the
hearing.
If
you'd
like
a
copy
of
any
items
presented.
A
Finally,
for
some
quick
housekeeping
items,
please
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
limit
distractions
during
the
hearing
you're
doing
a
great
job,
please
ensure
your
cell
phone
has
been
silenced
so
far
so
good,
and
if
you
need
to
use
a
restroom,
you
can
just
leave
through
the
main
doors
you
don't
have
to
go
back
downstairs.
There's
some
restrooms
just
past
the
staircase.
B
A
Okay,
so
just
a
quick
review,
then,
if
you
were
here
for
item
one,
it
was
related
to
some
signage
and
an
exception
request
at
600.
East
Grand,
that's
been
withdrawn,
so
we
won't
take
any
comments
on
that.
It
just
means
applicant
doesn't
want
to
do
it
anymore.
So
that's
off
the
agenda,
if
you're
here
for
that
sorry
for
item
seven,
that's
a
conditional
use
request
related
to
the
sale
of
alcoholic
liquor,
wine
and
beer
at
4410,
Southeast
14th.
A
Is
there
anybody
here
in
the
audience
that
would
object
to
this
board,
granting
a
conditional
use
which
does
come
with
conditions
for
what's
called
a
liquor
store
at
4410,
Southeast
14th?
Anybody
hear
an
objection
to
that.
All
I
would
need
to
see.
Is
your
hand
if
you
would
object
to
that
and
if
anybody
objects
then
we'll
put
it
on
the
regular
agenda
and
take
comments
on
it
going
once
going
twice.
Okay,
would
there
be
a
motion
from
the
board
unless
there's
any
concerns
to
move
item,
seven
to
consent,
move
by
marlus?
A
Second,
by
Ron
to
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
aye,
all
right,
unanimous
there?
Okay,
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
now
is
read
through
the
items
that
are
on
consent
and
pull
the
audiences
briefly,
so
items
on
consent
are
recommended
for
approval
from
City
staff.
They
feel
that
the
requests
are
reasonable,
meet
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
with
certain
conditions,
but
if
either
the
appellant
or
someone
in
the
audience
would
disagree
with
approving
of
these
we'll
remove
them
and
put
them
on
the
regular
agenda.
A
So
we
can
hear
testimony
so
I'm
going
to
read
through
them.
Quick
item.
Two
is
a
conditional
use
request
for
use
of
a
parking
lot
for
special
events
at
2875,
University
Avenue.
Anybody
here
in
the
audience
opposed
to
granting
that
requested
conditional
use
just
raise
your
hand,
seeing
none
item.
Three
is
a
conditional
use
request
for
what
I'd
like
to
call
ADM
near
1935,
East,
Euclid
Avenue
looks
like
some
type
of
industrial
use.
Anybody
opposed
to
item
three
seeing
none
item.
A
Four
is
a
zoning
exception,
request
related
to
installation
of
some
signage
at
900
Keosauqua
way,
anybody
opposed
to
granting
the
requested
relief
on
item
four
just
hands
up.
If
so,
seeing
none
item.
Five
is
a
zoning
exception.
Request
related
to
installation
of
some
signage
at
2706,
Beaver
Avenue.
Anybody
in
opposition
to
item
five
seeing
No
Hands,
then
item
seven
as
I
mentioned,
that'd,
be
conditional
use
for
operation
of
a
liquor
store
with
some
terms
and
conditions
at
4410,
Southeast
14th,
so
I
just
double
check
on
that.
Anybody
opposed
to
that
one.
A
Any
concerns
from
the
board.
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion
to
Grant
the
requested
approvals
for
items,
two
three:
four:
five
and
seven
Rhonda
all
right
and
second
by
marvelous,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
Okay.
So
if
you
were
here
for
items,
two,
three,
four
five
or
seven
as
the
appellant
in
about
a
week,
you'll
get
the
decision
in
order
that
outlines
the
approval
and
then
you
can
move
forward
with
your
process
from
there.
A
B
B
B
B
B
Now
this
property
in
terms
of
zoning
history,
it
was
originally
the
board
granted
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
a
salvage
yard
use
in
1973..
Subsequently,
they
have
been
back
to
the
board
a
couple
times
once
in
1986.
They
obtained
a
variance
for
a
25
foot
setback
at
that
time,
you're
required
to
be
set
back,
25
feet
and
they
were
requesting
to
install
a
fence
right
right
towards
the
property
line,
and
so
they
they
were
granted
relief
at
that
time.
B
In
addition,
in
2019
they
did
amend
their
conditional
use
for
the
property
and
they
also
obtained
a
variance
of
the
Provisions
that
limit
a
solid
fence
within
a
minimum
required
front
yard
to
be
set
back
three
feet,
and
so
those
appeals
were
granted.
Additionally,
it
was
to
loud
use
of
the
salvage
yard
that
had
multiple
structures,
outdoor
storage
and
material
and
operations,
and
so
that
was
approved
with
conditions
at
that
time,
and
so
today
the
applicant
here's
a
here
is
a
layout,
that's
the
property
and
its
entirety.
B
C
B
And
so
the
proposal
consists
of
a
a
new
operator
that
would
be
coming
in
consolidating
the
parcels
and
allowing
for
additional
outdoor
storage
area.
The
Chiefs
would
remain
as
the
auto
storage
salvage
yard.
Existing
trees
within
the
fence
would
be
removed
to
create
additional
storage.
They
are
proposing
for
the
existing
granular
surface.
They
are
proposing
a
chip
seal
asphalt,
Coating
in
all
existing
and
post
storage
areas
within
the
fence.
B
They
are
looking
to
replace
the
fence
as
it
as
it
exists
today,
in
the
I2
District
up
to
65
percent
of
the
site
could
be
an
impervious
area.
However,
the
applicant
has
has
indicated
that
they
do
intend
to
go
to
80
impervious
surface
area.
That
is
something
that
would
fall
more
under
the
purview
of
Planning
and
Zoning
through
a
site
plan
approval
process.
B
In
addition
to
the
Supple
supplemental
use,
regulations
which
require
storage
yards
Drive
aisles
access
to
be
paved
with
asphalt,
cement
or
similar
products,
it
has
to
be
approved
by
engineering,
and
we
at
this
stage
we
don't
have
the
information
that
we
can
make
that
determination
and
once
again
that
would
go
back
to
the
site
plan
review
stage
where
they
would
provide
the
documentation
showing
that
it
meets
a
standard.
That
engineering
is
believes,
satisfies
the
chapter
135
Provisions.
Once
again,
those
are
part
of
the
planning
zoning
realm
for
review.
B
And
so,
and
as
staff
was
doing
the
evaluation
of
the
storage
yard,
it
was
observed
additionally
in
the
previous
conditional
use
that
came
in
front
of
us
that
this
is
in
a
location,
a
corridor
that
is
highly
visible,
and
so,
at
that
time
they
they.
The
board
found
that
it
was
important
to
adhere
to
the
C2
landscape.
B
The
use
would
not
unduly
increase
congestion
in
the
streets
public
or
create
a
public
danger
of
fire
safety
or
flooding
that
it
would
not
diminish
or
impair
nearby
property.
Out
property
values:
it
is
consistent
with
the
general
purpose
of
the
zoning
ordinance
further.
If
the
impact
of
such
use
actually
became
a
problem,
the
sodium
enforcement
officer
could
bring
it
back
for
reconsideration
of
the
conditional
use,
and
here
are
the
conditions
that
staff
has
presented
as
conditions
of
approval.
B
B
And
Property
Owners
within
250
feet
of
the
property
were
notified.
However,
we
did
not
receive
any
responses
Associated
to
that
notification.
In
addition,
the
the
applicant
did
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting.
Two
people
attended
the
the
meeting.
Those
that
attended
did
not
have
any
objections
to
the
proposed
conditional
use.
A
Okay,
anything
else,
Frank
good
for
them,
questions
for
Frank
from
the
board.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
for
your
overview.
So
the
way
the
hearing
works
now
the
applicant
or
their
representative
has
up
to
10
minutes
to
address
their
board
to
provide
their
reasoning
for
their
request
for
the
conditional
use
and
whoever
would
like
to
present
just
need
you
to
step
up
to
the
microphone.
We
just
need
your
name
and
address.
D
Really
anything
new
to
add
to
the
stats
report,
I
think
a
pretty
conclu
inclusive
of
the
past
history
of
the
site,
I
think
I'll,
maybe
just
kind
of
kind
of
summarize
a
little
bit.
Why
we're
here
I
think
because
of
the
there's
new
ownership
of
the
properties,
consolidating
of
the
lots
and
the
improvements
they
intend
to
make
kind
of
triggered
the
reason
to
come
back
before
the
board
and
we
get
the
conditional
use.
We
looked
at
and
approved
again
and
we're
familiar
acknowledged.
D
The
staff's
recommendations
and
many
of
those
recommendations
are
what's
in
the
current
conditional
use
permit.
So
there's
really
nothing
too
new
there
for
the
applicant
that
they
haven't
been
familiar
with
so
again
the
applicant's
looking
to
consolidate
the
properties
into
one
and,
as
you
saw
on
the
one
slide,
there
make
some
improvements
with
concrete,
driveways
and
Chip
sealing
the
areas
which
we
have
gotten
to
engineering.
But
chip
ceiling
can
almost
be
a
look
at
as
an
improvement,
then
to
recycle
asphalt,
which
is
oftentimes
allowed
in
these
circumstances.
D
F
E
D
That
that
all
that
familiar
with
it,
we
don't
use
it
that
often
a
lot
of
times
it
is
used
in
smaller
communities
and
on
Lower
residential
roads.
Yeah.
It's
an
asphalt,
servicing
project
or
product.
Okay.
At
times
you
can
think
of
like
seal
coats
where
they
put
the
seal
coat
down
and
and
rocks
are
in
that
it's
a
little
bit
kind
of
reverse.
They
put
the
asphalt
down
on
top
of
the
gravel
rocks,
and
then
they
put
some
gravel
on
top
of
that,
got
it
and
roll
that
in
okay.
D
D
A
Okay,
anybody
else
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant.
If
anybody
wants
to
support
the
applicant's
position,
they
have
up
to
five
minutes,
seeing
none
anybody,
speaking
opposition
to
the
applicant
or
even
in
neutrality,
seeing
none
any
other
questions
for
staff
if
none
will
close
the
portion
or
close
the
public
portion
and
go
to
board
deliberation
and
I
always
like
to
make
the
little
statement
that
I've
lived
in
Des
Moines
for
over
half
my
life
and
for
most
of
our
cases,
if
it's
a
commercial
business,
probably
been
there.
A
Second,
by
marvelous:
okay,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say.
Hi.
All
right
motion
carries
6-0
all
right
Rick.
You
can
tell
your
client
they're
good
to
go,
and
now
they
can
follow
through
on
the
rest
of
the
site
plan
stuff
out
of
our
hair.
So
all
right,
you
bet,
if
I
need
some
more
parts.
I'll
come
down
all
right
item,
seven
had
been
moved
to
consent,
so
that'll
bring
us
to
item
eight
item.
A
F
F
As
you
can
tell
it's
located
at
the
corner
of
the
the
north
east
corner
of
the
intersection
of
East
3rd
and
East
Walnut
Street,
it
has
been
utilized
for
a
number
of
years
as
a
unimproved
parking
surface
parking
lot.
A
couple
of
site
photos.
This
is
the
adjacent
property.
Excuse
me
joining
across
the
public
Alleyway
of
the
building
that
the
church
is
cited
within
and
then
just
a
few
photos
moving
along
West
Down,
East
Walnut
Street.
F
F
A
F
A
F
F
A
And
can
you
go
back
to
the
little
map
that
they
showed
or
kind
of
their
site
plan?
If
you
will
okay,
so
in
essence,
I
see
the
301
East
Locust
building
remains,
but
it
kind
of
looks
like
they're
using
all
of
these
lots
for
their
support
parking
for
everything
is
that
right
or
that's
kind
of
their
intact.
G
Yeah-
and
that
is
true-
one
thing
I
wanted
to
make
sure
was
clear-
was
that
this
parking
lot
here?
That's
the
subject
of
the
condition
you
use
today
has
never
been
legitimately
established.
There
was
a
previous
lot
there
that
was,
it
was
a
car
lot
years
ago,
that
was
I,
guess
the
building
was
torn
down
and
it's
like
a
temporary
surface
put
on,
but
they've
never
came
in
and
done
the
required
site
plan.
So
it's
not
really
a
legal
parking
lots
that
they've.
G
A
G
That's
part
of
it
and
the
other
Crux
is
that
we,
since
this
is
the
historic
East,
Village
neighborhood
the
dx-1
dx2
zoning
districts,
don't
really
want
surface
parking
in
the
urban
core.
We
feel
that
parking
should
be
provided
in
ramps
more
in
you
know
the
basements
of
buildings,
more
of
a
shared
parking
environment
just
so
we
get
a
higher
and
better
use
of
the
land.
Just
since
this
is
a
pedestrian
neighborhood
right,
we
really
want
stuff
that
provides
life
on
the
street
more
than
that's
the
parking
lot.
A
G
A
Because
some
of
us
still
get
annoyed,
we
can't
find
parking
spots
over
that
way,
but
and
I'm
just
curious,
assistive
staff,
Catherine
or
whoever.
So
since
there
is
public
right-of-way,
that's
in
between
could
they
potentially
purchase
the
public
right-of-way.
If
the
city
chose
to
sell
it
and
then
combine
sure.
G
G
H
G
Constructing
the
view
of
the
capital,
exactly
the
capital
dominance
overlay
at
the
time,
limited
buildings
to
75
feet
of
height
and
the
hotel
wanted
to
be
85
feet.
So
you
did
deny
the
variance
to
the
height,
but
then
they
were
going
to
put
the
parking
in
the
basement
and
then
comply
with
the
75-foot
requirement,
which
just.
H
H
G
H
A
A
J
We
have
three
services
every
single
week
on
Sunday
morning
plus
throughout
the
week.
We
have
many
things
going
on
on
our
Wednesday
nights.
We
have
our
kids
Ministries,
so
we
have
hundreds
of
kids
as
well
as
parents,
down
at
our
building
on
our
property
every
Wednesday
night
throughout
the
school
year.
Also,
we
have
a
college
Ministry
from
Drake
University
from
Grandview
from
DMACC
we're
about
200
students,
every
Thursday
night
down
in
the
area
in
the
East
Village
and
so
plus.
J
So
this
parking
has
been
very
valuable
to
us
a
number
of
years
ago
with
the
previous
owner.
We
were
given
permission
to
park
there,
so
we've
been
parking
there
for
a
number
of
years.
Striped
a
lot
try
to
take
care
of
the
lot
without
putting
too
much
into
it
until
within
a
year
or
so
ago.
We
purchased
a
lot
and
we
purchased
a
lot
as
we
were
using
it.
J
If
you
look
at
the
corner
there
at
our
main
entrance
of
North,
North
or
sorry
East,
4th
and
East
Walnut,
there
is
a
drive
in
there
where
people
can
drop
off,
but
that
gets
quickly
congested
with
the
number
of
people
so
that
having
those
adjacent
Lots
or
that
Jason
lot
does
provide
some
help
and
kind
of
removing
kind
of
some
traffic
jams
in
that
area,
as
well
as
out
into
to
the
city
street
there,
and
so
for
us.
It's
been
very
beneficial.
J
We
have
a
lot
of
young,
a
lot
of
families
with
young
children,
hundreds
of
of
kids.
We
have
elderly
folks
as
well
members
who,
having
on-site
parking,
is
helpful.
It's
helpful,
as
you
guys
have
already
stated,
there's
not
very
much
parking
in
the
area
and
it's
hard
to
find
parking
at
different
times,
especially
in
evenings.
J
When
we
use
our
use
our
building
for
events,
because
a
lot
of
the
city
parking
is
pretty
well
picked
up
at
that
point
in
time,
so
we
do
need
it
and
would
greatly
appreciate
it
being
me,
continue
to
allow
to
use
or
moved
into
an
official
whatever.
The
right
language
is
to
make
it
a
parking
lot
for
our
use,
and
so
Josh
Williams,
our
architect,
he's
going
to
come
up
and
maybe
just
give
a
little
more
detail
and
direction
as
far
as
what
we
would
hope
to
do.
Sure.
K
Like
Luke
said,
my
name
is
Josh
Williams,
architect
and
partner
at
slingshot
architecture,
we're
actually
a
neighbor
we're
just
a
block
South,
so
East
Village
is
near
and
dear
to
our
art
and
trying
to
get
it.
The
best
we
can
is
is
mutually
beneficial
for
for
us
as
well.
So
we've
been
engaged
with
Walnut
Creek
Church
since
about
2019
about
how
to
use
the
site
how
to
use
the
block
we've
been
going
through.
K
A
renovation
of
the
323
building
and
the
site
plan
was
was
brought
up
to
to
compliance
with
the
current
zoning
regulations
and
that's
definitely
in
the
intent
of
the
church.
They
purchased
both
of
these
Parcels
on
the
west
end
of
the
site
late
last
year.
So
we
had
been
working
with
them
on
how
to
best
utilize,
the
site
and
there's
some
big
Visions
on
how
to
use
it.
K
And
so
yeah
I
think
the
one
of
the
the
Keo
missions
kind
of
from
the
staff
report
was
so
the
the
dx2
zoning
does
allow
for
places
of
worship
and
kind
of
Civic
use
which
both
of
these
buildings
would
be
classified
under
that
they
own.
So
for
the
for
the
Block
in
general,
they
have
two
buildings
that
exceed
that
thousand
square
foot
amendment
that
was
put
into
the
the
non-accessory
lot
language
of
the
zoning
code,
and
it's
really
just
separated
by
these.
K
These
Alleyways
that
are
really
just
artificial,
like
parcel
lines
really,
the
the
site
is
a
whole,
really
functions
per
the
intent
of
that
thousand
square
feet.
This
isn't
a
building
that
is
purchasing
a
lot.
You
know
a
quarter
block
away,
or
it's
directly
adjacent,
so
I
think
we're
somewhat
hitting
the
intent
of
that
amendment
that
was
put
in
place,
even
though
it's
separated
with
the
alleys.
I
K
A
Let's
go
so
Josh
quick
question
here,
so
let's
say
we
thought:
okay,
fine
World!
Your
conditional
use
for
your
non-accessory
parking
lot
have
a
nice
day,
even
if
we
did
that
I
think
you'd
still
have
to
take
your
client
back
through
the
site.
Plan
process
and
you'd
have
to
make
some
substantial
improvements
to
the
parking
lot.
Would
you
be
prepared
to
do
that.
A
It's
well
I,
always
say
to
a
degree
yeah.
The
use
of
the
property
is
what
we
can
grant,
but
how
the
property
now
must
be
developed
or
improved
for
that
use.
That's
usually
not
under
our
purview
here.
So
what
I'm
getting
at
is
you
know
if
you
ask
for
some?
Even
if
you
get
it,
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
carry
it
out
and
execute
it
properly,
because
I'm
guessing
you're
going
to
have
to
Paving
and
Landscaping
and
some
setback
stuff
yeah.
K
That
that's
one
of
the
gray
areas
that
and
that
pre-app
it
didn't
really
come
up
sure
what
the
full
extent
of
compliance
was
going
to
need
to
be.
Okay,
but
I
mean
none
of
the
standard
triggers
would
be
kind
of
hit
of
re-parceling
or
kind
of
improving
it
from
a
monetary
standpoint
hitting
that
the
property
value.
That's
in
the
zoning
code,
I.
C
A
Don't
want
to
take
this
too
far
down
that,
but
it's
kind
of
like
well
yeah,
it's
hard
to
think
about
a
contingency.
If
that's
not
a
contingency,
you
want,
but
that's
kind
of
what
I
have
to
think
through
on
this
and
again,
it's
not
up
to
the
board
to
suggest
to
you
to
resolve
your
situation
in
different
manners,
but
yeah
if
you
at
301
East
Locust.
What's
the
primary
use
of
the
smaller
building
for
the.
K
Church
right
now,
that's
where
their
offices
are
at
and
they
have
some
adult
classrooms
that
are
meeting
there.
Okay,
they
it
was
the
former
Koch
brothers
building.
So
there
are
two
bays
that
were
kind
of
their
storage
area
and
we're
looking
at
in
a
different
kind
of
process
of
how
to
to
get
a
larger
group
meeting
in
that
space,
as
well
specifically
for
the
teens
sure,
but.
A
A
A
L
L
L
We
skateboarders
across
the
street
a
lot
of
people
park
in
that
parking
lot
that
aren't
part
of
our
congregation
throughout
the
week
and
so
I
think.
As
far
as
the
East
Village
plan
I
think
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense
as
well.
The
hotel,
in
my
opinion,
didn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
I
think
you
guys
understood
that
and
I
think
this
makes
a
lot
more
sense
and
I.
Think
I
would
just
encourage
Cooperative
Spirits
with
the
church.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say:
okay.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Charlie
Maxwell
I
live
at
1325,
43rd
Street
I
am
also
a
member
of
Walnut
Creek
downtown
and
also
a
volunteer
with
the
church.
Sometimes
so
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
support
of
this
not
a
whole
lot
to
offer
beyond
what
has
already
been
said,
I
think
that
our
Church's
heart
is
to
really
love
and
support
the
city
we
want
to
be
here
to
be
a
staple
in
the
community.
I
feel
like
having
more
parking
will
help
us
do
that.
M
M
People
were
talking
about
doing
a
parking
garage
and
kind
of
stacking.
It
I
I,
just
see
kind
of
a
benefit
of
also
seeing
the
open
space
of
using
that,
for
example,
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
we're
having
a
movie
night
in
the
parking
lot,
not
in
the
one
in
question.
But
the
one
North
that
we
already
own
good.
M
I
wanted
to
clarify
that,
but
yeah
we're
excited
about
that.
We're
excited
to
be
part
of
what
the
East
Village
is
doing,
to
provide
an
environment
for
community,
so
I
think
having
that
space
will
help
us
do
that.
We
of
course
want
to
make
the
parking
lot
better.
We
know
that
it's
not
in
the
best
shape
that
it
could
be
I,
think
we
have
a
lot
of
great
research,
that's
gone
into
it.
M
N
N
We
have
a
lot
of
families
and
growling
kids,
as
we
know,
can
be
really
tough
at
times,
and
just
just
the
proximity
to
the
church
makes
it
much
easier
for
them
not
having
to
cross
streets
not
having
to
worry
about
where
you're
going
to
park.
I
also
help
with
the
Middle
School
Ministry
on
Wednesday
nights,
and
that
is
in
the
301
building
kind
of
that
we
were
talking
about
earlier
and
just
having
the
parking
there
makes
it
super
easy.
N
We
meet
at
6
30
on
Thursday
or
on
Wednesday
nights,
and
it's
if
we
didn't
have
that
lot.
It's
very
hard,
very
challenging
to
find
parking
in
the
area
without
having
to
like
just
park
somewhere
and
hope
for
the
best
or
have
to
park
blocks
away,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
just
continued
use.
I
know
the
I
know
the
spillage
promotes
itself
on
diversity
and
I
feel
like
this
is
a
great
way
to
continue
to
diversity.
These
Village
we've
been
there
for
a
while
and
just
continuing
to
be
a
staple.
N
In
that
we've
we
try
to
involve
ourselves
in
the
community.
I
know.
Last
year
with
the
holiday
Promenade,
we
opened
up
our
building
just
for
cookie,
decorating
and
bathrooms,
and
different
things
like
that.
So
we're
making
efforts
to
continue
to
open
up
our
building
to
the
community
into
the
area
and
I
know
just
having
families
and
stuff
I
know.
N
When
my
family
comes
to
visit
me
at
church,
we
go
to
all
the
shops
around
it
and
everything
afterwards,
so
I
think
we
bring
people
to
the
East
Village
that
might
not
potentially
be
coming
to
the
East
Village
on
a
regular
basis
too.
So
yeah
I,
just
I,
just
think
it's
a
great
that
work.
Well,
we
may
not
be
a
hotel
or
a
business,
we're
continuing
to
bring
people
to
the
area
and
we're
continuing
to
try
to
be
a
part
of
the
area
and
so
yeah.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
yeah.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
Brad,
okay,
anybody
else
that
wishes
to
speak
and
support,
seeing
none
anybody
was
speaking,
opposition
opposition
or
even
neutrality,
all
right,
seeing
none
do
we
have
any
further
questions
for
staff
or
zoning
enforcement
officer.
Yes,
we
don't
want
to
leave
out
that
opportunity
Eric
if
you'd
like
to
address
this
in
any
fashion,
that'd
be
great.
O
All
right,
I
still
serve
in
the
capacity
of
the
zoning
enforcement.
This
did
come
about
as
a
complaint
and
a
zoning
violation.
Basically,
that
said,
you
know,
the
intent
of
the
code
is
to
establish
surface
parking
in
those
situations
where
it,
you
know,
it's
determined.
It
fits
within
the
context
of
everything
downtown.
O
This
never
was
established
as
off
street
parking.
Either
there
may
be
portions
of
it
that
were
were
considered
accessory
to
the
the
vehicle
display
function
that
ceased.
Then
it
was
used
for
construction
staging,
which
is
why
you
have
the
fenced
area
for
a
number
of
years
for
the
project
to
the
West
for
the
Staybridge
Suites
and
the
Hanson.
O
The
apartments
to
the
West,
so
you
know
certainly
there's
no
argument
that
you
know.
Ad
hoc
parking
has
occurred,
probably
without
any
notice
from
an
enforcement
standpoint,
but
once
we
get
a
complaint,
then
we
have
to
look
at
it.
What
we
also
know
is
under
the
old
code,
vehicle
display
and
parking
did
not
equate.
So
in
terms
of
giving
it
you
know,
non-conforming
rights
over
time.
O
We
certainly
have
case
law
where
the
city
lost
and
making
the
argument
that
the
same
standard
should
apply
to
both
off-street
parking
and
vehicle
display,
and
we
and
we
did
not
Prevail
on
that
situation,
and
so
we
we
are
aware
that
the
way
it
was
interpreted
by
the
court
was
that
it
was
not
considered
two
of
the
same
so
so
moving
forward
in
our
new
code,
we've
certainly
made
standards
that
are
applicable
to
parking.
So
when
we
do
have
surface
parking,
we
do
want
it
to
have
proper.
O
You
know
striping
maneuvering,
Landscaping
Etc,
so
that's
important.
So
if
the
board
is
inclined
I
think
you
want
to
take
into
consideration
that
they
would
follow
through
with
a
site
plan.
Even
though
that's
not
your
for
you
directly,
if
you
are
inclined,
you
would
probably
want
a
condition
that
if
they
didn't
follow
through
at
some
point
in
time
to
comply
with
site
plan
that
it
could
be
brought
back
all
right
to
the
board
to
remove
the
conditional
use.
C
O
That
you'd
probably
wanted
that
built
in
as
a
condition
if
you're
inclined
to
approve
this.
The
other
thing
I
should
mention
is
that
one
of
the
issues
with
surface
parking
occurring
in
the
urban
core
may
not
be
thought
of
you
know
immediately.
Certainly
people
need
it.
They,
you
know,
there's
no,
there's
nobody
questioning
their
motivation
for
why
they
would
be
benefited
by
the
parking,
but
after
hours
these
places
are
problematic.
They
attract
things
that
they
shouldn't
have
like.
O
O
A
A
O
A
I
H
H
G
Do
have
three
conditions
drafted,
but
in
one
of
those
was
like
Eric
said:
have
the
ability
for
the
zoning
officer
to
bring
it
back?
The
other
would
be
the
limited
to
no
more
than
five
years,
and
then
the
third
was
that
it
complies
with
the
site
plan
requirements
which
I
know
he
had
said
in
the
site
plan
or
in
the
pre-application
meeting.
G
I
C
C
C
A
Yeah,
there's
there's
kind
of
a
I,
always
say:
there's
a
subtle
lesson
for
applicants
as
well
as
those
watching
in
the
audience
before
you
buy
property
that
you
want
to
have
a
use
on.
You
should
contact
the
city
of
Des
Moines
and
check
and
make
sure
what
the
conditions
are
right
so
that
you
know
if
you're
investing
in
buying
like
real
estate,
you
know
you'll
be
able
to
use
it.
The
way
you
intend
to
or
you'll
understand
what
it's
going
to
take
to
get
it
there
right,
yeah
so
and
Bert.
A
This
isn't
part
of
deal
making
with
necessarily
the
city,
but
if,
if
we
were
to
Grant
a
conditional
use
subject
to
site
plan,
I
would
probably
say
well
if
they're
gonna
put
in
lighting
and
trees
and
fences
I
wouldn't
want
to
have
it
be
like
temporary,
where
they
got
to
go,
tear
it
all
out
again.
Maybe
this
is
for
the
board
discussion,
but
if
we
just
wanted
to
approve
even
a
just
temporary
conditional
use
kind
of
almost
as
is
but
with
a
limited
time,
is
it
like
mud
out
there
now
or
I.
A
We'll
let
the
applicant
have
a
quick
rebuttal
here,
but
you
know:
I
I
wouldn't
want
somebody
to
put
a
million
dollars
of
improvements
to
meet
a
site
plan
to
have
something
they
used
for
five
years.
Then
they
have
to
throw
it
away
again
or
just
fence
it
off,
and
they
can't
use
now
a
parking
lot
that
meets
site
plan.
G
Okay,
yeah,
you
can
see
to
the
east
of
the
alley.
They've
they've
made
that
they've
improved
that
and
so
yeah.
The
required
site
plan
would
trigger
needs
like
these
trees.
With
these
landscape,
Islands
they'll
have
to
pull
the
paving
away
from
the
front
property
lines
along
East,
Walnut
and
East
Third
yeah.
So
you're
right,
it's
going
to
be
a
significant
investment
yeah.
A
J
J
It
needs
work
yeah
by
far,
and
then
we
got
the
other
ways
in
between
which
would
be
nice
to
remedy
that
problem,
because
it
is
a,
but
currently
it's
not
used
by
too
many
people
other
than
us
and
it's
so
it
just
separates
between
the
East
that
East
and
West
Alleyway
we
own
both
Parcels
of
land.
So
it
would
seem
like
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
try
to
obtain
that
at
some
point
in
time.
I
don't
know
if
any
other
questions
or.
A
H
H
Parking
downtown
is
not
easy
and
to
expect
them
to
park
in
a
off-site
garage.
I,
don't
even
know
what
the
closest
one
would
be,
but
there's
a
bunch
of
other
businesses
around
there
too
scrambling
for
parking
so
to
have
this
more
of
a
captive
spot
that
they
can
use
for
their
for
their
own
use.
Obviously,
it
made
some
major
improvements
to
the
to
the
east
in
that
building.
H
H
H
If,
if
we're
going
to
Grant
this
request,
I
wouldn't
put
a
timeline
on
it
either
because
they're
not
gonna,
who
wants
to
spend
money
if
I
know
in
five
years
I
got
to
come
back
and
who
knows
what's
going
to
go
on,
then
I
mean
this
is
a
church.
Hopefully
their
congregation
is
going
to
grow
and
they're
going
to
want
to
have
more
building
and
more
more
places
for
their
congregation
to
meet.
I,
don't
know,
I
I
think
it's
a
I
think
it
won.
This
has
been
sitting
empty
for
three
years.
C
A
H
A
Well,
amazing,
discussion
I
think
it's
coincidental
that
this
is
the
picture
that
got
left
up
after
our
39
minutes
of
discussion
on
this
item,
because
I
think
this
they
say,
A
picture
says
a
thousand
words
if
this
was
a
picture
used
for
the
East
Village
brochure
I
go
looks
pretty
crappy.
By
the
same
token,
if
this
parking
lot
here
was
improved,
I
might
say:
oh
well,
I'm
not
worried
about
having
a
four
or
five
story
density,
apartment,
building
or
ramp.
Here
that
looks
pretty
darn
good.
A
So
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
bring
this
forward
to
get
to
that
goal
to
improve
it,
you
know
if
this
was
a
half
a
block
away.
If
it
was
on
the
other
side
of
a
true
City
street,
but
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
I
realize
it's
public
right
away,
they
don't
own
it.
They
don't
have
the
they
can't
just
adopt
it
by
default
yeah.
A
It
looks
like
it's
the
entrance
of
their
parking
lot,
that's
what
the
alleyway
does,
but
if
we
were
inclined
to
move
this
forward,
what
if
we
had
something
like
hey,
you
guys
have
until
December
31st
to
get
an
approved
site
plan.
You
know
if
we
pass
this
conditional
use
for
non-accessory
parking
lot
here.
Give
them
till
the
end
of
this
year,
a
little
over
six
months
to
bring
forward
a
site
plan
and
get
that
approved
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
A
If
you
can
convince
the
city
to
sell
you
part
or
all
of
the
two
Alleyways
before
then,
then
your
site
plan
would
look
different
or
if
you
just
want
to
go
with
it.
As
is
you
put
your
site
plan
together,
you
get
that
approved.
We
let
you
use
the
parking
lot,
but
then
you
implement
that
site
plan
fully
within
x
amount
of
time
or
the
non-accessory
parking
conditional
use
will
expire
now,
I,
don't
know
what
that
time
would
be.
A
I
had,
in
my
mind,
like
maybe
two
years
from
the
date
of
the
site
plan
approval
because
they're
gonna
and
although
business
considerations
and
money
are
not
how
we
make
our
decisions,
but
with
anybody
we've
had
plenty
of
people
here,
we've
given
them
18
months
or
two
years
to
improve
or
expand
their
parking.
We've
done
it
with
some
of
the
little
food
places
down
off
down
in
the
South
Market
District,
we've
done
it
with
Worship
Center
on
Southeast
14th.
A
We
gave
them
time
to
use
gravel
parking
that
they
wanted,
but
they
had
to
eventually
pave
it.
So
what
would
you
guys
again
trying
to
coalesce
that
I
understand
where
the
city
is
coming
from
completely
I?
I?
Don't
want
to
see
these
kinds
of
parking
lots
remain
in
the
East
Village,
but
if
we
can
bring
one
up
to
par,
I
actually
have
a
feeling
it'd
be
probably
a
benefit
in
the
end.
I
A
Without
us
over
managing
it,
the
conditional
use
would
have
conditions,
it
can't
be
congestion
and
this
and
that,
but
they
can
figure
out
how
they
would
meet
those,
because
I
don't
want
to
direct
what
they're
going
to
have
for
Gates
and
security.
I
think
that
gets
far
past
us
if
they
would
be
required
to
have
permits
to
do
any
special
events
or
activities.
They'd
need
the
special
permits.
A
E
C
A
P
A
C
E
H
A
A
H
With
you,
with
your
conditions
and
with
two
years
I
mean
that's
two
years
is
going
to
fly
by
yeah
these
people,
yeah
yeah,
by
the
time
you
get
a
site
plan
organized
if
that
takes
six
months,
they're
going
to
talk
to
the
city
about
conveying
yeah
potential
on
alley
and
how?
What
does
that
look
like,
and
so
we
got
to
give
this
thing
some
time
and
give
them
some
run.
Let's
give
them
some
Runway
to
make
it
happen.
Well,.
A
They
shall
bring
forward
and
have
approved
a
site
plan
for
development
of
this
parking
lot
site
plan
shall
be
approved
by
December
31st
of
this
year
and
again,
if,
if
they
can
work,
another
train
track
on
this
and
you
want
to
buy
some
real
estate
or
right-of-way,
and
the
city
process
takes
x
amount
of
time.
That's
not
for
us
to
review
or
suggest,
but
think
about
that.
A
So
they
have
a
site
plan,
that's
approved
by
December
31st,
and
then
they
carry
out
that
site
plan
and
make
the
parking
lot
improvements
within
the
site
plan
by
then
December
31st
to
2025..
That's
two
years
from
now
and
within
that
site
plan
through
administrative
review
or
pnz.
If
there
are,
if
there
are
changes,
if
there
are
adjustments,
if
there
are
allotments
that
they
choose
to
give
so
so
be
it,
but
in
general
I
would
think
you
know.
A
If
they
have
a
site
plan,
that's
approved
it's
going
to
improve
the
look
of
this
with
landscaping
and
how
it
fits
other
conditions
if
there
are
any
other
uses
of
the
parking
lot
that
are
being
requested.
Besides
parking,
you
know,
special
events
Etc
that
there's
some
language
in
there.
Administrative
language
is
a
condition
that
they'd
have
to
seek
appropriate
administrative
or
permit
approvals
that
sound
okay,
Gary.
P
A
That
yeah
include
those
yeah.
What
else
is?
Is
there
a
way
you
can
share,
or
you
well
kind
of
what
were
I
I
think
the
motion
on
the
table
is:
if
they
implement
the
site
plan
within
the
two
years
of
the
site
plan's
approval,
then
they
could
have
the
parking
lot
forever,
but
with
the
conditional,
the
conditional
use
remains,
in
effect,
there's
no
expiration
date.
The
conditional
use,
unless
they
violate
its
terms
of
congestion
and
causing
a
nuisance.
I
A
A
A
I
will
okay,
yeah
yeah,
I'm,
happy
you're,
saying
that
Dave,
because
you
let
off
on
that
very
well.
So
all
right,
so
we've
got
a
motion
in
a
second
as
long
as
the
motion's
clear
for
the
board,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
hand
say
aye.
Those
opposed
okay,
duly
noted,
all
right,
so
the
motion
carries
four
to
one,
so
you
guys
have
some
homework
to
do,
but
I
think
this
could
be
a
benefit
to
all
when
it's
carried
out.
So
all
right-
oh
it
was.
It
was
fine.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
yeah!