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From YouTube: Laurie Frankel — Authors Visiting in Des Moines (AViD)
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Laurie Frankel is the author of the best-selling 2017 novel, This is How It Always Is, which gracefully tells the story of a family struggling with the challenges and questions that arise after their youngest son declares that he wants to be a girl when he grows up. The story is a work of fiction, but the author is the mother of a transgender child herself. The book was chosen as a Reese Witherspoon Hello Sunshine Book Club pick in fall 2018.
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A
Okay,
oh
and
now
I
can
hear
myself.
So
since
2001
there
have
been
139
avid
events
attended
by
forty
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
ninety
nine
people.
That's
impressive
I
wondered
how
many
of
you.
So
this
is
my
first
year
where
I've
committed
to
read
every
book
before
every
lecture,
I'm
up,
I've
read
both
I'm
and
I've.
Read
three
out
of
six,
so
I
think
I'm
gonna
get
it
done.
How
many
people
are
committed
to
do
that
in
the
audience
tonight?
A
Hey
so
we'll
hold
each
other
accountable,
I
mean
there's.
There's
a
group
of
them.
There
are
very
loyal
audiences
for
avid
avid
would
not
be
possible
without
input
from
the
volunteer
selection
committee,
the
leadership
of
Tim
and
the
entire
Community
Engagement
Team,
thanks
to
the
outstanding
staff
at
all
locations
of
the
Des
Moines
Public
Library
thanks.
A
That
staff
provides
our
community
with
free,
relevant
and
important
resources
that
are
transforming
lives
every
day.
The
Des
Moines
Public
Library
Foundation
and
Executive
Director
Dori
Briles
raise
funds
for
Abid
summer
reading
in
school
readiness,
programming
for
children,
teens
and
adults,
new
public
access,
computers
and
other
library
needs
before
I
have
to
do
some
very
logistical
things,
but
I
do
want
to
say
it's
a
real
honor
for
me
to
be
able
to
be
involved
in
tonight's
presentation.
A
A
So
a
few
other
logistics,
you
will
have
a
small
piece
like
this
for
your
questions
and
you
also
have
a
blue
form.
We
really
want
to
tailor
these
programs
to
fit
your
desires.
If
there
are
authors
you
want
to
be
considered.
Please
fill
out
this
review
form.
It
gives
us
really
valuable
information
to
make
sure
that
the
programming
fits
your
desires
and
needs.
A
A
Thank
you
to
the
volunteers
and
sponsors
that
made
this
possible.
Our
premier
sponsor
is
the
Des
Moines
Register
nationwide
Foundation
Principal
Financial
Group
Brad
and
Kelly
Ann,
ed
minster,
humanities
Iowa,
which
is
a
state-based
affiliate
of
the
National
Endowment
for
the
Humanities,
cultivating
compassion
of
dr.
Richard,
Deming
Foundation,
Mary
Kelly
and
Daniel
M
Kelly
Family,
Foundation,
Oh,
Brian,
Fitzpatrick
foundation,
Karen
chef
and
Steve
and
Jane
dr.
Katherine
and
Andrew
Houser,
Pam
bass,
boogie
and
Harry
boogie
Shelley
and
Martin
Brody,
Mary,
Richie,
Douglas
and
Deborah
West,
Don,
Taylor,
Judy,
blank
Mary,
Ann
and
Robert
Sobiech.
A
A
It
doesn't
seem
like
it's
been
less
than
a
year,
but
we've
had
su
woody
is
the
director
of
the
des
moines
public
libraries
for
less
than
a
year
and
she's
transforming
our
library
system.
She
is
generous,
she's
really
dedicated
community.
She
is
a
local
Des,
Moines
gem.
So
please
help
me
in
welcoming
suity.
B
Good
evening,
I'm
sue
woody.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
this
very
special
avid
event:
Laurie
Frankel's
third
novel.
This
is
how
it
always
is
elegantly
tells
the
story
about
a
family
who
navigate
the
challenges
and
questions
that
arise
when
its
youngest
son
decides
that
he
is
a
girl,
claude
becomes
poppy
and
we
all
be
readers.
We
fall
in
love
with
poppy
and
she
grows
up
and
she
carves
out
her
own
place
in
the
world.
This
is
such
an
intimate
family
story
and
it's
told
at
a
very
critical
time
for
our
society.
B
This
book
made
me
laugh
it
made
me
cry,
but,
most
importantly,
it
really
made
me
contemplate
what
it
means
to
be
a
parent
and
what
it
means
to
advocate
for
your
child.
This
novel
is
a
work
of
fiction,
but
it
was
inspired
by
Laurie's
own
life,
as
she
herself
is
a
mother
to
a
transgender
daughter
now
aged
10.
B
This
is
how
it
always
is:
was
a
New
York,
Times,
best
seller
and
one
of
Amazon's
best
books
of
2017,
also
one
of
the
best
books
of
the
year
by
People
magazine
who
called
it
the
most
sensitively
and
sincerely
told
story
of
2017
last
fall.
Reese
Witherspoon
chose.
This
is
how
it
always
is
for
her
popular
hello,
sunshine
book
club,
saying
at
the
time,
every
once
in
a
while,
I
read
a
book
that
opens
my
eyes
in
a
way.
I,
never
expected
I
feel
the
same
way.
B
You'll
get
a
chance
to
ask
your
questions
on
the
little
forms.
Tim's
shown
you
and
give
those
to
a
volunteer
after
Laurie's
talk
and
we'll
get
them
to
David
Chivers
David
Chivers
is
going
to
be
our
moderator
for
this
evening's
event,
he's
the
former
Des
Moines,
Register,
publisher
and
president
and
he's
also
the
proud
father
of
a
transgender
son
and
a
cisgender
daughter.
But
now
please
join
me
and
welcome
Laurie
Frankel
to
the
stage.
C
C
C
C
C
D
C
Come
to
a
library
event,
one
of
the
things
that
people
have
said
to
me
and
had
to
say
to
me
over
and
over
over
the
course
of
this
book
is
now
more
than
ever
and
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
it
as
regards
the
book,
but
that's
what
I
think
when
I
look
at
all
of
you.
This
is
what
we
need
right
now
in
the
world.
Is
people
who
read
and
come
to
the
library
so
thrilled
to
see
you
all
I.
C
Mean
yes,
lots
of
applause
hardcourts,
it's
Wonder!
It's
amazing,
and
it's
and
I've
done
this.
A
lot.
I've
done
this
all
over
the
country
and
many
rooms
are
less
full
than
this
one.
That's
really
quite
something
and
not
to
be
underestimated.
You
all
are
readers
I'm,
a
reader
too
I'm
going
to
talk
to
you
about
my
book
because
that's
what
you've
asked
me
to
do,
but
I
would
also
talk
to
you
about
any
other
books,
all
of
the
books
you're
reading.
C
B
C
Very
glad
to
be
here,
this
is
my
first
time
in
Iowa
and
and
it's
really
amazing-
yes,
absolutely
I
came
in
yesterday
and
I
flew
in
from
Minneapolis
on
a
very
good
little
airplane,
and,
and
there
was
a
thunderstorm,
it
was
very
turbulent.
It
was.
It
was
not
that
enjoyable
and
while
that
was
happening,
I
was
watching
the
flight
attendants
as
what
does
to
see
whether
they
were
panicking.
C
They
were
not
I
was
they
were
fine
and,
and
I
was
thinking
like
these
are
people
who
are
trained
to
save
my
life
in
the
event
of
an
air
disaster
which,
let's
admit,
has
to
be
like
the
worst
kind
of
disaster
right
as
far
as
disasters
go,
and
that
is
a
very
difficult
job,
and
yet
they
spend
most
of
most
of
their
time.
You
know
asking
me
what
I
want
to
drink
and
handing
it
to
me
in
a
little
cup,
and
that
contrast
is
really
astonishing
to
me
if
they're
lucky,
that's
all
they
do
right.
A
C
Flight
attendants
never
have
to
use
that
training
and
I'm
watching
these
people
and
thinking
that's
what
my
job
is
like,
which,
let
me
tell
you
my
job
is
nothing
that
I
would
be
terrible
in
a
disaster.
So,
let's
hope
tonight
goes
well,
but
what
does
strike
me
is.
That
contrast
is
that
people
who
are
trained
to
save
your
life
in
the
event
of
an
air
disaster
but
mostly
spend
their
time.
C
C
You
want
me
to
go
over
there,
no,
it's
good,
and
you
know,
and
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
want
you
to
go
out
into
the
world
and
sell
the
book
and
those
things
are
opposites.
They
want
you
to
engage
on
social
media,
they
want
you
to
go
places
and
meet
people
and
then,
like
look
I
had
to
put
on
heels.
I
mean
I
go
like
weeks
without
even
putting
on
pants,
because
I
work
in
my
house.
I
do
usually
you
know,
put
on
at
least
like
yoga
pants
to
walk
the
dog.
C
It
is
and
and
therefore
it
means
that
I'm
pretty
well
suited
to
half
of
my
job
and
pretty
poorly
suited
to
the
other
half
and
that
the
better
I
am
at
one
half
of
my
job
less
well
suited
I
am
to
the
other.
Half
and
I
know
people
who,
who
do
both
things,
that
is
I
know.
Lots
of
people
are
really
really
good
at
social
media
and
screwing
around
online
they're,
not
really
good
at
writing
novels.
And
so
you
know
you
sort
of
you
pick
your
demon,
I
guess
in
this
way.
C
C
Lectures
from
my
from
my
people
when
I
started,
the
book
I
did
not
know
it
was
about
a
transgender
child
and
well
when
I
started
having
a
child.
I
do
not
know
that
that
job
was
going
to
be
transgender
when
those
two
things
came
together
and
turned
out
both
to
be
the
case,
then
I
freaked
out
and
said
never
mind
changed
my
mind,
I.
Can't
we
can't
let
this
book
out
out
into
the
world.
C
If
I
can't
do
it,
and
my
agent
said
that's
why
we
need
this
book
because
of
the
things
that
you're
scared
of
that's.
Why
you
need
to
tell
this
story,
which
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
you
know,
agents
say
do
and
what
she
said
was.
We
are
gonna
so,
and
this
is
my
third
book,
my
second
book
we
sold
at
auction.
You
know
we
had
all
of
these
publishers
and
all
of
these
bidders
and
we
bid
them
against
each
other,
and
the
agents
do
what
they
do.
C
I
stayed
home
and
didn't
wear
pants,
actually
effect.
I
have
a
these.
Are
the
things
that
come
out
of
your
mouth
while
you're
on
book
tour
that
I,
never
plan
to
say
I
have
a
picture
of
my
kid
who
was
at
the
time
like
to
having
a
naked
car
wash
her
in
two
cars
at
the
time,
she's
Nate,
you
know,
and
that
was
from
that
that
day,
while
my
agent
is
fielding
offers
and
all
of
this
such
and
you
know,
and
then
it
went
to
the
high
bidder.
C
This
book
we
offered
to
one
person-
and
she
said
I-
don't
have
time
to
take
this
book
on
right
now
and
we
said
we'll
wait,
and
that
also
is
the
opposite
of
the
way.
This
thing
usually
goes
down
and
the
way
that
it
usually
happens
and
we
picked
her
because
we
knew
that
she
was
going
to
be
able
to
say
no
to
all
of
the
things
that
I
wasn't
going
to
want
to
do.
That.
C
I
was
going
to
be
able
to
draw
a
line
wherever
I
was
comfortable
and
that
they
were
going
to
respect
that
and,
as
an
aside,
they
have
been
amazing.
They've
been
really
fantastic.
One
of
the
things
that
happened
frankly,
coincidentally,
the
book
came
out
three
days
after
the
presidential
inauguration
and
one
of
the
first
things
that
happened
from
this
administration
was
a
threat
to
rollback.
A
number
of
protections
that
had
always
been
in
place.
People
magazine
had
just
reviewed
the
book
and
so
I
was
on
their
mind,
and
so
they
called
them.
C
What
they
wanted
to
do
was
send
a
reporter
to
my
house
and
do
a
big
spread
as
they
do,
and
people
max
it
in
an
interview
me
and
interview
my
kid
and
take
a
lot
of
pictures.
You
know
and
talk
about
and
talk
about
the
book
and
talk
about.
You
know
our
opinions
on
things
and
and
all
other
such,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
book
publishers
like
get
down
on
their
knees,
with
gratitude
for
or
in
three
days
after
the
book
has
come
out.
C
That
was,
they
said,
write
the
1,500
words
of
your
story
that
you
do
feel
comfortable
sharing
and
we'll
get
that
published
to
place
somewhere,
and
then
we
can
just
point
anyone
who
asked
questions
to
that
and
say
this
is
what
she's
willing
to
share
we're,
not
doing
pictures
we're
not
doing
photograph
from
not
doing
names.
We're
not
answering
any
questions
beyond
these
questions.
C
Is
you
know
it's
gonna
come
like
this
to
school
and
it
was
terrifying
and
it
was
the
first
thing
that
was
terrifying
for
us,
because
you
know
her
her
hanging
out
at
home
and
a
dress
did
not
phase
me.
Her
hanging
out
of
the
grocery
store
and
a
dress
did
not
phase
me
her
going
to
friends,
houses
and
a
dress
did
not
phase
me.
School
was
a
different
thing
and
I
knew
it
was
going
to
be
a
different
thing.
C
B
C
There
were
a
lot
of.
There
were
a
lot
of
emails
with
the
subject.
Heading
I
bet
you're
a
Jew.
There
were
a
lot
of
emails
with
the
subject.
Heading
have
fun
in
the
emergency
room
with
your
kid
and,
and
they
were
all
addressed
like
dear
Lauri
and
then
they
kind
of
went
on
from
there
and
and
that
is
a
I
mean
in
addition
to
the
way
that
sort
of
like
on
the
face
of
it
disturbing.
It's
also
a
very
strange
thing
to
happen.
C
You
know
in
the
lead-up
to
publication,
and
but
one
of
the
things
that
happened
as
a
result
is
that
this
publisher,
that
had
all
along
been
very
supportive
was
now
very
surprised
and
and
not
a
little
taken
aback,
and
they
had
this.
You
know
this
tour
planned
for
me
that
was
so
I
live
in
Seattle,
you
know
up
and
down
the
coast
and
they
thought
okay.
Well,
you
know
that's
probably
fine,
then
it
also
went
all
through
the
South.
C
You
know
we
didn't
know
and
no,
no,
that's,
probably
in
every
action,
and
you
know
kind
of
geared
up
for
it.
One
of
the
weird
things
that
happens
about
book
tour
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
love
events
like
this,
so
much
is
like
some
of
you
have
actually
read
the
book,
which
is
really
wonderful
and
the
rest
of
you
I
know
we're
gonna
go
home
and
start
it
like
tonight,
which
is
also
really
wonderful.
You
know,
when
you
go
on
book
tour.
C
The
book
has
just
come
out:
I
I
went
the
next
day,
so
no
one,
no
one
has
read
the
book
and
we
really
did
not
know
what
to
expect
and
we
were
sort
of
you
know
we
were
geared
up
for
the
fight.
We
were
ready,
we're
ready
to
do
battle
to
the,
to
the
extent
that
you
can
get
ready
to
do
battle,
which
is
which
is
what
probably
itself
fairly
limited
and
I
was
I.
C
I
did
maybe
my
third
event
was
in
a
bookstore,
an
independent
bookstore
in
South
Carolina
I
did
my
schpeel
I
turned
it
over
to
QA
first
hand
up
which
Sunday
I
will
learn
not
to
call
on
the
first
hand,
but
it
was
not
that
day
and
you
think
I
would
have
learned
that
one,
but
no
I
did
not,
and
so
I
called
in
her
and
and
she
stands
up
so
that
I
could
hear
her
and
she
said.
Are
you
a
Jew
and
I
thought?
C
You
know
here
we
go
and
in
fact
what
I
thought
was
bring
it
on.
Let's,
let's
do
this
thing
and
I,
you
know
I
I
had
this
moment
of
like
I,
don't
know
how
to
answer
that
question,
but
indeed
I'm
Jewish,
so
I,
you
know,
I
went
with
the
truth
because
it
seems
like
the
easiest
path
forward
and
I
said
yes,
and
she
said
it's
that
way.
C
There's
an
orange
on
the
cover
of
your
book
and
I
said:
whatever
do
you
mean,
and
you
know
and
I
had
this
memoir
I
was
like
oh
you're,
not
evil,
you're,
just
crazy,
but
no,
no,
neither
it
turned
out.
She
said
she
told
me
this
story
that
I
had
never
heard
before
about
how
feminist
Jews
put
an
orange
on
their
Passover
Seder
Plate,
and
she
thought
maybe
that
was
why
there
was
an
orange
on
the
cover
now.
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
cover
of
this
book.
I
mean
nothing
even
named
myself.
C
C
You
know
because,
because
I
had
nothing,
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
it,
but
what
I
learned
in
that
really
wonderful
moment
was
that
I
had
been
afraid
and
that
that
was
ungenerous,
particularly
because,
first
of
all,
I
know
better
and
second
of
all,
much
of
the
point
of
the
book
is
exactly
it's
exactly
that,
don't
don't
don't
be
afraid.
The
afraid
is
not
helping
you
the
afraid.
It's
not
getting
you
anywhere.
C
In
fact,
what
is
true
is
that
people
who
read
books
and
people
who
come
to
library,
events
and
people
who
come
to
book
store
events
are
lovely,
open-minded,
tolerant
people
who
are
not
sending
you
threats
via
email
and
and
in
fact,
I
I
went
on
this
I
went
on
this
large
tour.
I
met
all
sorts
of
people
and
not
a
single
person.
Not
one
came
up
and
yelled
at
me
in
person,
which
means,
if
you
were
planning.
C
Look
I
have
a
street
going
so
if
you're,
if
you're
planned
for
tonight,
was
like
to
come
up
and
yell
at
me
after
this,
you
got
a
change
of
plan
because-
and
it's
not
it's
not,
of
course,
because
everyone
who
goes
to
bookstores
or
libraries
agrees
with
me.
Obviously,
so
of
course
I
am,
you
know
often
write
about
all
things.
It's
because
people
who
read
books
are
willing
to
ask
the
questions.
People
who
read
books
are
willing
to
to
hear
to
hear
about
lives
that
are
not
like
their
own
and,
in
fact,
demand
it.
C
That's
why
you
read
books
is
to
live
lives
that
that
are
not
your
life.
You
know
many
times
it's
because
you
you
can't
or
would
rather
not
you
don't
live
that
life.
You're
gonna
think
again
sans
it's
because
of
this
plane
that
I'm
into
disaster
novels
at
the
moment.
But
you
know
you
think
of
all
these
disasters.
C
You
note
yourself
one
experience
such
disaster,
but
you
know
it's
nice
to
think
about
how
it
might
feel
to
be
in
an
earthquake
now
and
again,
or
you
know,
whatever
it
is,
and
you
know,
and
and
in
a
and
in
a
sort
of
more
broad
sense.
It
is
a
question
of
empathy.
It
is
a
question
of
having
someone,
ask
you,
questions
and
helping
you
think
about
what
would
I
do
and
how
would
I
feel.
D
C
Probably
because
I
am
a
teacher
by
by
trade
and
no
doubt
inclination
much
more
interested
in
asking
the
questions
than
in
answering
them,
but
I
also
think
it
is
much
more
interesting
way
to
go.
It's
what
I
want
when
I
read
and
therefore
I
assume
it
is
what
it
is,
what
I
am
looking
for?
You
know
when
I
when
I
am
writing
as
well.
It
does
not
seem
to
me
to
be
an
interesting
question.
Will
you
love
your
child
unconditionally,
I
I,
just
think
the
answer
to
that
is
both
obvious
and
and
boring.
C
I
think
that
yes
or
no
questions
are
almost
always
obvious
and
boring
and
and
I
think
that
that
one
in
particular
is
you
know,
sort
of
a
no-brainer
like,
of
course,
you're
gonna.
Of
course,
you're
gonna
love
your
kid
I
think
a
much
more
interesting
question
is
how
how
are
how
are
you,
gonna,
love
and
support
your
kid,
and
sometimes
the
answer
to
that
is,
is
obvious
and
frequently
very
frequently
in
for
lots
of
ways
for
lots
of
reasons.
The
answer
to
that
is
really
mysterious.
That's
what
the
book
is
about,
never
mind.
C
It
did
not
choose
the
title,
that
is
what
the
title
is
about,
and
that
was
my
pitch
for
this
book.
That
was
what
I
wanted
from,
but
going
in
it
is
why
I
went
in
not
certain
that
the
kid
was
going
to
be
transgender
or
that
the
transgender
kid
was
going
to
be
the
focus
of
the
book,
because
really
the
book
is
about
the
waste
that
this
is
how
it
always
is.
C
This
is
part
of
the
I'm
gonna
go
with
wonder
of
parenting,
but
it's
also
certainly
part
of
the
trauma
of
parenting.
It's
just
when
you
get
your
head
around
whatever
it
is,
whatever
it
is
changes,
and
because
of
something
it
is
not
a
skill
that
can
be
mastered
it
that
isn't
that
isn't
how
it
works,
and
therefore,
this
question
of
you
know
of
how
how
you're
gonna
support
the
kid
is
was
something
that
I
thought
was
very
interestingly,
you
know
book
like
interesting.
C
C
Since
you
live
here,
you
know:
I
live
on
the
edge
and
I'm
trying
to
think
do,
I
think
about
being
on
a
coast
very
much
I,
don't
know
that
I
do
I!
Think
about
I
mean
so
one
of
the
things
is
that
as
I've
been
wandering
around
here,
people
keep
saying
to
me:
oh
it's,
north
and
I.
Think
I,
don't
know
which
way
north
is
because
there
are
no
oceans.
C
The
nice
thing
about
oceans
is
that,
then
you
know
which
way
is
you
know?
Which
way
is
which
way
without
that
I?
You
know
it's
very.
It's
very
puzzling
to
me:
I
live
in
Seattle,
my
parents
live
in
Maryland,
I
grew
up
in
Maryland
I
went
to
school
in
Virginia,
which
a
graduate
school
in
Delaware.
You
know,
I've
been
on
both
coasts,
I
have
been
in
the
middle
and
it's
much
listen.
It's
a
much
shorter
flight.
It's
much
more
pleasant
to
you
know
to
not
have
to
get
on
an
airplane
all
day
long.
C
For
me
is
the
challenge
of
the
middle
way.
The
challenge
of
finding
someplace
that
is
in
between
it
sounds
like
the
answer
to
lots
of
problems,
and
yet
it
is
a
very
difficult
place
to
be
it's
exciting
and
it
is
conveniently
located
and
I'm
sure
if
you
live
here,
you
learn
the
difference
between
East
and
West,
based
on
some
other
landmark,
very
clever
of
you.
But
it's
not
it's
not
it's
not
comfortable.
It
is
not
easy.
C
The
thing
that
drew
me
to
this
topic
to
begin
with
at
the
at
the
very
beginning,
the
very
seed
of
it
for
me,
was
that
question
of
how
so
many
of
the
issues
that
are
in,
let's
call
it.
The
national
discourse
at
the
moment
are
very
polarized.
In
fact,
the
discourse
itself
is
very
polarized.
People
disagree
wildly.
You
believe
what
you
believe
and
do
you
think
that
the
other
side
is
crazy
and
possibly
evil
and
there's
nothing.
They
could
say
that.
Could
they
convince
you
that
they
were
right
and
vice-versa
there
is
no
middle.
C
There
is
no
middle
ground
there
and
that's
too
bad
in
the
first
place,
because
it
doesn't
leave
a
lot
of
possibility
for
compromise,
but
in
the
second
place
and
more
importantly,
because
it
doesn't
leave
a
lot
of
room
for
conversation
means
we're
not
talking
we're
not
not
having
a
conversation.
What
I
thought
was
so
interesting
about
this
topic
at
the
beginning.
What
drew
me
to
it
was
that,
though
I
did
not
think
it
was
interesting
to
say.
Ok,
so
imagine
you
have
a
transgender
child.
C
Are
you
gonna
support
the
child
or
kick
that
child
out
of
the
house?
I?
It's
not
that
people,
don't
kick
that
child
out
of
the
house.
I
didn't
want
to
put
any
more
of
it
into
the
world
than
there
already
is,
and
I
didn't
think
there
was
a
story
there
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
else
to
say
about
that.
What
I
thought
was
really
interesting
was
that
having
two
parents
both
show
up
and
say
great
we're
on
board.
We've
got
our
heads
around
this.
We
understand
what
this
is.
Of
course
we
love
you.
C
Of
course
we
want
to
support.
You
could
come
down
on
completely
opposite
sides
of
the
question
of
how
and
that
is
interesting
and
that
both
of
those
sides
could
be
reasonable
and
loving
that
you
could
be
in
one
position
and
not
think
that
the
people
who
disagree
with
you
on
the
other
side
of
this
are
crazy
and
evil.
C
But
in
fact,
just
have
a
slightly
different
opinion
than
you
ought
to
think
that
they
don't
understand
either,
because
because
nobody
understands
it
what
it
is
to
to
live
somebody
else's
life
completely,
and
that
made
it
to
me
and
interesting
and
an
important
question.
It
is
what
led
me
to
the
middle
way.
C
Oh
no
I
cannot
finish
this
book
because
I've
never
been
to
Thailand
I
had
been
thinking,
they
would
do
a
nice
cross-country
roadtrip
they
go
back
to
Wisconsin
and
I've,
been
to
Wisconsin,
so
that'd,
be
great.
I
probably
would
have
driven
through
Iowa
on
the
way
there.
No
I
guess
not
quite
okay,
never
your
mind,
but.
B
C
Would
have
maybe
I
would
have
detoured
if
I'd
known
how
lovely
you
all
were.
I
definitely
would
have
you
know
in
any
case
that,
like
that
seems
like
a
great
idea
to
me
and
and
then
you
know
like
no
now
it
that
didn't
work,
it
had
to
be
Thailand
and,
and
so
then
I
you
know,
I
looked
at
people's
like
vacation
photos
on
Google
and
I
I.
Put
that
little
guy
in
in
Google
Maps.
C
Who
will
you
know
Street
View
who
like
well
I,
wandered
around
Bangkok
with
my
little
avatar
and
you
know
peeked
into
places
they
went
to
a
Thai
restaurant
up.
The
street
from
my
house
and,
like
you
know,
ordered
some
pad
thai
and
like
smelled
it
and
wrote
down
some
adjectives.
It's
not
like
you
know.
I'm
gonna
make
the
whole
book
up.
It's
all
pretend,
like
you
know
it's
written
I
can
make
it
up
and
then
I
called
a
travel
agent
the
next
day
and
said
yeah
I
need
to
go
to
Thailand
and
she
said
great.
C
What
do
you
want
to
say
and
I
said
I,
don't
know
Thailand
completely
completely
clueless
and
I
said
also
I.
You
know
I
need
to
go
next
week.
I
can't
I
can't
finish
this
book
without
going
to
Thailand
what
I
did
say
to
her
was
I
awesome
with
one
thing:
I
knew
I
needed
to
see
was
a
clinic
I
need
to
see
a
border
climbing.
She
said
they're
closed,
you
know
to
tourists,
I
mean,
of
course
they
are.
C
You
can't
like
go
wander
around,
so
we
had
to
get
government
permission
in
fact
to
to
do
that,
and
then
I
flew
halfway
around
the
world,
which
is
commitment
to
your
job
and
a
weird
business
trip.
It
is
strange
to
travel
with
people
you
have
made
of,
but
nonetheless
that
is
speaking
of
crazy
right.
That
was
what
I
did
anyway
and,
and
it
was
for
that
reason
it
was
because
I
was
very
keen
to
get
to
the
end
of
this
book
and
then
not
have
it
be
the
end.
I
wanted
it
to
be
the
middle.
C
It
is
hard
to
find
the
middle
at
the
end
of
your
book,
because
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
is,
that
is
hard
about
the
middle
it
is.
It
is
hard
to
stay
there.
I
really
wanted
to
end
this
book
without
answering
the
question.
I
wanted
to
end
without
saying
you
know,
and
then
he
went
actually
being
a
boy
and
lived
happily
ever
after
or
and.
C
Was
a
girl
forever
and
she
knew
she
always
would
be,
and
that
was
the
answer
and
everybody
was
sure-
and
it
was
great
I
wanted
to
end
in
the
middle.
This
is
a
really
difficult
thing
to
do
in
English,
because
we
do
not
have
a
gender-neutral
pronoun
that
we
are
comfortable
using
for
people
like
we
have
it,
which
is
great
if
you're
talking
about
computers,
but
it
doesn't
or
objects
chairs,
you
know
go
by
it.
People
don't
go
and
go
by
it.
C
That's
changing
that
language
is
evolving,
so
I
think
that
that
that
particular
problem
go
away
myself.
I
solved
it
for
a
little
while
by
writing
it
in
the
first
person,
and
then
nobody
could
talk
about
this
child.
Then
I
started
writing
in
the
second
person,
like
you,
that
was
super
annoying
so
that
had
to
go.
There
was
a
lot
of
finding
my
way
through
this
book.
C
I
I
cut
250,000
words
from
this
book
in
order
to
find
my
way
from
the
beginning
to
the
end
of
it,
and
I
went
halfway
around
the
world
to
to
Thailand,
because
that
that
was
the
way
that
that
was
the
way
home.
For
me,
that
was
the
way
to
figure
out
how
to
talk
about
how
to
be
in
this
place
in
the
middle
is
to
talk
about
to
talk
about
Buddhism
and
to
talk
about
a
middle
way.
C
C
That
was
in
the
beginning,
when
I
thought
replying
to
these
emails
was
a
good
idea
that
I
learned
it
was
not
a
good
idea.
It
takes
some
time
sometimes,
and
you
know,
and
so
I
think
I'm
mindful
of
the
time,
because
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
have
found
over
the
course
of
things
is
that
if
I,
if
I
leave
room
for
questions,
you
will
ask
them,
and
you
should
I
think
it's
really.
C
Nice
that
you
got
little
cards
to
do
that
to
do
that
with
I
was
while
you
were
filling
the
mouth
they
might
I.
Tell
you
all
these
things
that
I
don't
plan
on
telling
you
my
kid
just
started
sex
ed
this
week
you
know
at
school
and
they
have
them
and
that's
what
they
do.
You
know
they
fill
out
the
little
cards
so
that
they
don't
have
to
and
she
came
home
and
said
why
don't
we
just
raised
her
hand
and
asked
and
I
said:
oh
well,
some
people
are
embarrassed
and
she
said
why.
C
C
Them
before
don't
necessarily
take
that
as
a
challenge
in
any
case,
see
I'm
trying
to
wrap
up
here
and
I
had
like
18
other
things
that
I
thought
that
I
wanted
to
say
what
I
wanted
to.
What
I
wanted
to
end
by
saying
is
the
middle,
where
you
all
are,
is
a
difficult
place
to
be,
but
I
also
think
it
is
the
only
good
place
to
be
because
it
is
in
the
place
where
we
are
asking
the
questions.
It's
not
it's
not
about
you,
agreeing
with
everything,
I
think
it's
not
about
you,
agreeing
with
everything.
C
Everyone
else
thinks
it's
about.
Having
this
conversation,
it's
about
having
a
dialogue,
I
think
that
one
of
the
difficulties
of
one
or
the
other
of
pick
this
box,
or
this
box
of
there
is
no
in-between-
and
we
are
not
even
interested
in
hearing
about
the
other
side-
is
that
we
aren't
having
a
conversation.
But
that's
what
books
do
books
are
all
about
asking
the
questions
they?
Don't
they
don't
answer
them
they're
not
supposed
to
that's,
not
their
job.
C
B
C
Me,
whatever
you
want
you've
got
things
to
say
about
the
yeah.
Okay,
then
I'll
shut
up,
I
shouldn't,
though
say
I.
You
know
I
fit
in
all
the
things
I
long
to
say
to
you
by
talking
really
really
quickly.
So
if
it
is
too
fast,
you
just
like
wave
at
me
and
say:
I
have
no
idea
what
you're
saying,
because
you
said
it
too
quickly
and
I'll,
try
to
say
it
against
more
slowly.
Okay,.
D
My
best
thing
and
I
talk
really
slow,
so
it'll
be
it'll,
be
great.
It
would
be
good.
Thank
you
all.
First
of
all,
for
coming
again,
this
is
a
really
important
topic
and
a
really
interesting
conversation,
I'm
David
shavers
I'm,
the
former
president
and
publisher
of
the
Des
Moines
Register,
thanks
for
the
intro
earlier
sue.
D
Not
only
am
I,
the
former
president
and
publisher
of
the
Des
Moines
Register
I'm,
also
a
Des
Moines
native,
my
my
wife
Theresa
is
here
as
well:
she's,
a
Des
Moines
native,
and
we
grew
up
with
the
Public
Library
as
a
central
part
of
how
we
were
exposed
to
the
world.
So
the
work
that
the
library
does
is
extremely
personally
important
to
me
and
our
family
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
supporting
the
library
and
I
think.
Maybe
one
more
round
of
applause
before
I
go
on.
D
For
me,
as
you
were
doing,
your
article
was
an
important
month
for
our
family,
my
my
son,
who
was
13
at
the
time
and
I'll
try
not
to
get
too
choked
up
about
this
came
out
to
us,
and
it
was
my
wife
and
I
like
to
describe
ourselves
as
contingency
planners
and
researchers,
and
this
was
one
contingency,
one
scenario
that
as
parents
we
just
hadn't
expected.
We
thought
about
sexuality.
We
thought
about
all
sorts
of.
D
You
know
strange
sorts
of
things
that
could
happen,
but
the
question
of
a
gender
nonconformity
and
gender
dysphoria
was
just
not
on
our
radar.
So
we
were
very
happy
to
discover
this
book
and
it
was
actually
sometime
in
January
or
February
of
2017
when
the
hardcover
had
come
out
that
I
walked
into
my
son's
room.
You
know
13
at
the
time,
and
he
had
this
beautiful
orange
book
on
his
nightstand
and
I
asked
him.
If
I
said.
D
Oh
what's
this
book
and
he
told
me
that
one
of
his
friends
who
has
since
come
out
as
gender
non-conforming,
but
it
took
her,
took
them
two
years
to
do
so
had
bought
the
book.
Read
it
given
it
to
him.
He
read
the
book
and
then
I
asked
him.
If
I
could
read
it,
then
my
wife
read
it.
Then
we
loaned
it
to
friends.
My
wife
did
it
for
her
book
club
and
the
story's
gone
on
and
on
from
there
and
when
I
found
out
that
you
were
actually
coming.
D
I
was
so
thrilled
to
you
know,
talk
to
you
get
the
community-at-large
reading
about
this
topic.
Reading
this
book
and
I'm
just
really
so
glad
you're
here,
Laurie,
so
I'm
gonna
start
with
the
first
question,
because
that's
what
I
get
to
do
is
moderator
and
he
touched
on
this
a
little
bit.
But
what
you
know
it's
a
two-part
question
again
because
I
get
that
Liberty
has
moderator.
D
C
Every
person
in
the
country
and
other
countries
should
read
the
book
and
buy
like
several
copies.
That's
what
you
want
right
in
this
case.
You
know
when
I,
when
it,
we
need
all
sort
of
started
coming
together
and
I
started
to
realize
what
the
book
was
about.
My
start
to
realize
what
was
going
on
in
my
household.
C
What
I
also
realized
was
this
was
my
opportunity
to
invent
the
world
that
I
want
my
kid
to
live
in,
that
I
want
her
to
grow
up
in
that
I
have
a
very
small
ability
to
make
that
world
happen
by
making
it
up
and
making
it
compelling
and
convincing,
so
that
that
was
my
help.
I
also
think
that
much
of
the
conversation
surrounding
this
issue
at
the
moment
in
this
country
is
dishonest,
disingenuous.
B
B
C
I
was
saying:
I:
it's
not
that
there
aren't
issues
here,
it's
not
that
there
aren't
discussions
to
be
had
there
are
absolutely
but
they're,
not
the
ones
that
we're
having,
and
so
that
concerned
me
and
that
wasn't
a
thing
that
I
thought:
oh
no
I
can
I
can
speak
to
this.
I
can
I
can
talk
about
this,
so
that
was
part
of
it.
I
have
and
I'm
gonna
answer
the
rest
of
this
question
by
I.
C
Guess
answering
the
second
part
of
it,
which
is,
which
is
the
thing
I
should
have
said
when
I
said
you
know,
I
have
this
huge
inbox
full
of
hate
mail.
That
was
true,
but
it
was
shouted
down
in
volume
and
in
number
by
the
people
who
wrote
to
say.
Thank
you,
I
thought
I
was
the
only
one
which
is
amazing
by
people
who
wrote
to
say
my
childhood
was
not
like
this
and
I'm
really
happy.
C
It
is
going
to
be
different
for
for
your
kid
and-
and
you
know
in
that
in
that
generation
I
heard
from
a
lot
of
parents
who
said
my
kid
doesn't
have
that
my
kid.
Has
this
other
thing?
My
kid
isn't
like
that.
My
kid
is
this
other
way,
and
this
really
helps
me.
You
know
work
through
that
and
think
about
that.
I
had
a
lot
of
people,
a
lot
of
people
who
email
me,
an
email
me
still
to
say,
I
was
I,
didn't
realize.
C
D
C
Been
I
guess
it's
been
junior,
so
she
was
much
younger.
You
know,
I
think
it's
not
that
I
don't
think
she
would
I
mean
she
certainly
wouldn't
be
offended.
She
has
the
idea
that
it's
about
her,
which
it
really
is
not
she
thinks
that
everything
should
be
about
her,
because
she's
ten,
so
I
think
she
would
at
the
moment
be
what
I
hope
she
will
eventually
be
the
opposite,
but
right
now,
I
think
she'd
be
disturbed
about
how
little
actually
you
know
about
her,
mostly
I,
think
she'd
be
bored
I.
It's
not
boring.
C
It's
super
engaging
you're,
gonna,
love
it
because
you're
on
that
ten,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
a
little.
It's
a
little
adult
for
her
at
the
moment.
I
do
I'm
sure
she
will
read
it
someday
she's.
You
know
because
she
reads
everything
and
and
I
think
she
will
see
it.
She
will
get
in
a
way
that
that
no
one
else
has
how
thoroughly
is
made
up.
It's
really
not
about
her
all,
not
least
because
she,
what
I
was
about
to
say,
she's,
really
boring
she's,
not
really
boring.
C
C
That
and
and
that's
what
you
would
wish
for
her
right
like
a
boring
life
that
she
doesn't,
she
does
know
how
lucky
she
is,
and
that's
amazing,
it's
wonderful,
but
it
would
have
made
a
really.
You
know
boring
story.
I
mean
I,
sent
that
email
out
to
her
to
her
first-grade
teacher
that
super
apologetic
I'm
looking
forward
to
meeting
you
but
I
think
you
should
know
about.
You
know
what
I
assured
her
was.
This
is
not
something
that
we've
undertaken
lightly,
because
I
didn't
want
her
to
think.
C
I
was
like
that
it
was
on
a
whim.
I,
don't
know
you
don't
even
know
what
I
was
thinking
about.
It
was
curled
on
the
ball
on
the
floor.
Freaking
out
as
you
do,
and
she
mounts
me
back
about
three
minutes
later
bless
her
and
said:
oh
I
had
a
trans
kid
in
my
class
last
year,
I've
been
through
gender
training.
I
know
all
about
this,
and
maybe
it's
that
and
maybe
it
isn't,
but
just
know
that
will
support
your
kid.
No
matter
what
and
it'll
be
fine
and
that's
I
mean
that
wasn't.
C
That
was
a
minor
miracle.
It
was
a
really
really
wonderful
thing
and
we
were
so
so
lucky.
You
know
she
goes
to
the
public
school.
That
is
that
we
are
distributed
to
this.
Is
this
was
nothing
but
luck.
They
go
around.
They
sit
in
a
circle
on
the
first
day
of
school,
they
go
around
and
they
they
say
their
name
and
and
what
they
did
over
summer
vacation
and
their
pronouns.
They
come
up
with
this
as
as
normal.
So
that's
awesome,
but
it's
not
a
lot
of
plot
there.
So.
C
Know
they
become
real
people
for
me,
so
that's
the
other
way,
I
suppose
in
which
they
diverge
from
my
kid
who's
also
a
real
person,
of
course,
but
in
many
ways
less
knowable,
because
you
know
other
people
are
mysterious
to
you.
You
never
really
know.
What's
going
on
in
another
person's
head,
especially
a
ten-year-old,
and
these
people
I
know
everything
that's
going
on
in
their
head,
because
I
own
them
I
made
them
up.
They
are
my
people,
so
you
get
very
close
with
them.
C
C
You
know
I
have
some
things
in
common
with
the
mother
in
this
book.
Obviously,
among
other
things,
her
worries
and
anxieties
are
mine
and
part
of
what
happens
in
book.
Writing
is
you're
playing
out
the
nightmares
as
well
as
the
dreams,
and
so
that
certainly
happened
in
in
this
book
and
they're
hers
and
they're
mine,
she's,
a
doctor
and
I
knew
I
was
going
to
need
her
to
be
a
doctor
going
in
because
I
was
going
to
need
somebody
to
explain
all
this
medical
stuff
to
the
reader.
C
D
C
This
here
is
a
conversation
we
can
have
for
an
hour.
You
know,
as
I
said,
I'm
very,
very
grateful
to
my
kids
school
and
in
lots
of
ways
curricular,
not
least
they
they
have
been
really.
They
have
been
really
wonderful
and
they
are
not
accommodations
that
they're
just
making
for.
For
me
and
my
kid
they,
this
is
just
part
of
their.
This
is
part
of
their
curriculum.
This
is
part
of
their
approach.
They've
been
great,
but
but
really
I.
Think
in
many
ways.
The
answer
to
that
question
is
to
do
as
little
as
possible.
C
Kids
are
really
do
in
their
needs,
and
you
know
in
many
ways:
that's
the
that
is
so
much
of
what
elementary
school
thought
and
an
effort
and
and
curriculum,
but
also
you
know,
approach
and
and
resources
goes
into
that
notion
of
accommodation,
trans
kids,
don't
need
accommodation,
they
they
don't
need
their
own
bathroom.
They
they
don't.
You
know,
and
in
fact
probably
you
you
wouldn't
you
you
won't
know.
There
are
very
few
elementary
schools
where
they're
you
know
like
having
kids
pull
their
pants
down
on
the
way
into
the
restroom.
C
C
I
will
say,
though,
that
that,
to
the
extent
that
they
are
picking
books
and
picking
guest
speakers
and
doing
things
like
going
around
on
the
first
day
and
asking
kids
what
their
paradigm
is,
that's
making
the
world
better
for
everyone,
not
not
just
trans
kids,
that
isn't
accommodating
specific
kids,
that's
just
making
the
world
a
better
place,
you
know
for
everybody
and
the
extent
to
which
they're
liking
this.
So
one
of
the
things,
for
instance
in
our
school,
is
that
some
of
the
trans
curriculum
has
come
tied
in
with
the
black
lives
matter.
Curriculum.
C
And
that's
a
good
metaphor.
That's
a
good!
That's
a
good
place
to
look
at
you
know
where
these
things
cross
over.
That's
that's
a
good
argument
and
it's
one
that
kids
can
understand
and
so
I
think
that
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
that
I,
that
I
think
doesn't
even
get
called
accommodation,
because
it's
it's
it's
more
like
educating
you.
B
B
D
C
I've
all
sorts
of
endings
for
this
book
doesn't
dozens
of
endings
for
this
book
I
I
did
I
did
but
I
as
it
went
on
as
I
say.
I
was
really
I
did
not
want
to
answer
the
question,
so
this
is
also
an
email
that
I
get
all
the
time.
People
say
what
happened.
I
want
to
know
what
happens
next.
Part
of
the
reason
I
did
not
answer
that
question.
Is
it's
not
an
epilogue?
It's
it's
really
another
book.
C
B
C
Know-
and
it
is
helpful
to
me
to
think
about
childhood,
as
you
know,
as
a
as
a
journey
through
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
different
things,
you
know
both
info.
Sometimes
parenting
is
challenging
and
you
know
and
I
think
no
no
I
can
live
with
this
for
the
week.
It's
gonna
happen
and
then
it
will
become
something
else
that
maybe
will
be
worse
or
maybe
it
will
be
better,
and
you
know
and
I
just
think
that
that's
a
useful
way
to
think
about
things.
C
D
C
C
I
was
very
close
with
both
of
my
grandmother's,
and
so
that
is
that
was
my
explanation.
A
lot
of
people
want
to
know
if
she's,
my
mother,
and
indeed
my
mother
and
my
kid
are
very
close
with
one
another
with
each
other.
That
is
also
true,
but
I.
Think
that
character
is
is
my
grandmother.
Perhaps
a
composite
of
both
of
my
grandmother's
I
was
I
was
very
close.
I
was
very
close
with
both
of
them.
That's
great,
so.
D
C
B
C
A
C
It'll
be
easy
to
write
a
fairy
tale.
How
hard
can
that
be,
and
then
I
had
your
right
every
time,
I
changed
something
in
the
book,
because
you
know
the
fairy
tale.
Parallels
the
rest,
the
book
every
time,
I
change,
something
the
book.
I
change,
the
rest
of
that
fairy
tale.
It
drove
me
insane,
I
I,
it
doesn't
take
me
a
long
time.
I
write
faster
than
most
people.
C
I
know
this
one
was
about
a
year
door-to-door
and
and
that's
pretty
quick,
as
you
know
it
for
for
a
novel,
but
it
is,
it
is
just
a
disastrous
process.
What
I
like
about
it
is
that
at
the
beginning,
I
have
a
word
count.
So
I
write
it
when
I'm
drafting
I
write
a
thousand
words
a
day,
at
least
always
if
I
come
to
the
end
of
the
chapter
and
I
have
written
998
words.
B
C
C
It
looks
more
like
it's
a
lot
of
it's
a
lot
of
cutting
I
I
start
to
know
that
it's
working
when
the
characters
start
to
make
their
own
decisions
when
I'm
not
dictating
what
it
is
that
they're
doing
I
start
to
know
that
it's
working
when
I
write
books
like
I,
read
them
wearing
surprised
about
what
happens
next
worse,
something
happens
that
I
didn't
see
coming
that.
That
is
a
that
is
a
hint
that
it
is
working.
You
know,
I
sit
down
at
the
beginning
of
them.
C
Each
time
and
think
like
I
will
outline
this
time
or
make
a
diagram
I
will
I
will
draw
it
out
and
it'll
be
great,
but
it's
it's
just
it's
not
available
to
me
and
in
fact,
my
agent
and
my
editor,
both
begged
me
this
time
for
so
in
between
that
book
and
the
one
that
I
am
writing.
Now
I
wrote
another
book
which
my
agent
really
liked.
C
My
editor
really
did
not,
and
so
they
said,
could
we
see
the
first
50
pages
and
I
said
sure,
but
I
it
turned
out
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
do
that?
I
can't
write
50
good
pages
without
without
writing
to
the
end
first
and
I'm
trying
to
explain
this
to
them,
and
they
I
mean
these
are
people
who
don't
have
writers
for
a
living
and
for
their
life.
They
could
not
understand,
and
yet
I
I
have
to
write
to
the
end
several
times
before
the
beginning
starts
to
take
shape.
B
C
Know
and
then
mostly
when
my
kid
is
not
in
the
house
I
write
and
because
she
is
home
a
lot
because
school
is
and
because
I
got
into
this
habit.
You
know
I
wrote
my
first
much
of
my
first
novel
when
she
was
a
baby.
You
know
you,
you
write
when
the
baby
sleeps,
you
pay
$20
an
hour
for
childcare
and
you
are
not
gonna,
spend
that
time.
Screwing
around
online
and
and
then
you
know,
you
think
Oh
school
school
will
solve.
C
D
How
long
did
it
take
from
the
time
that
maybe
this
wasn't
linear
either,
but
did
you
know
your
child
was
transgender
before
you
started
the
novel
and
if
so,
how
long
did
it
take
you
to
digest
as
a
parent?
What
was
going
on
to
a
point
where
you
could,
as
a
writer,
get
some
objectivity
and
some
distance
to
actually
write
about
the
topic
yeah.
C
C
One
of
the
things
that
happens
is
that
parents
who
are
more
I
want
to
say
this
upset
about
it
at
the
beginning
notice
more
quickly.
So
in
fact
you
know
I
remember
having
conversations
with
her.
You
know
like
when
she
was
learning
to
talk
at
like
18
months,
where
she
was
saying
she
wanted.
She
do
not
want
to
wear
pants.
She
wanted
to
wear
skirts.
B
C
Know
I
thought
that
was
about
like
waist
bands.
Listen
pants
are
not
comfortable
and
I
thought.
Oh
well,
we'll
get
you
some
sweatpants
and
it'll
be
fine.
You
know
because
I
didn't
know,
and
you
know
and-
and
she
was
always
very-
she
didn't
you
know-
in
dolls
and
in
and
in
clothes
and
in
and
in
playing
dress-up
and
in
wearing
dresses
wall.
She
was
playing
dress-up
and
and
in
pink
things,
and
you
know
all
of
the
stereotypical
stuff,
none
of
which
set
off
any
bells
for
me
of
any
kind
I.
C
Just
you
know,
I
just
I
thought
like
yeah
pink
is
awesome,
I,
also
love
pink,
you
know
the
pits
I
mean
it's
interesting,
because
I
have
now
met
so
many
families,
and
it
is
the
parents
who
have
the
hardest
time
getting
on
board.
Who
you
know
who
are
frankly
alarmed
that
there's
some
once
you
know,
is
always
choosing
pink
things,
so
it
was
I
think
going
on
a
lot
a
lot
longer
than.
D
C
C
You
know,
by
way
of
you
know,
if
parenting
is
you
do
where
you're
thinking
like
I'm
gonna,
read
this
book
or
I've
come
across
this
article?
That
did
I
might
otherwise
have
let
go
by
that
in
fact
I'm
going
to
because
it
applies
to
my
life,
and
you
know
the
sort
of
nitty-gritty
of
hormone
blockers.
I
thought
was
a
really
really
interesting
question.
That's
you
know
what
I
was
saying
before
I
think
there
are
really
good
arguments
on
lots
of
sides
of
that
question
and
that's
when
I
started
thinking.
C
B
C
C
He
was
not
clear
to
me
that
the
child
was
that
my
child
was
gonna,
be
it
was
gonna,
be
transgender
for
a
really
long
time,
even
after
I
think
it
would
have
been
clear
to
other
people
even
after
she
started
using
the
girls
bathroom
and
going
by
female
pronouns,
and
you
know,
and
I
just
didn't
would
I
did
not
want
to
say
to
her.
It's
like
well,
you've
started,
so
you
got
to
go
all
the
way.
I
wanted
to
say,
like
you
can
be
in
the
middle.
C
The
middle
will
also
will
also
work,
and
it
was
very
keen
to
do
that
as
slowly
as
I
could
in
the
book,
which
is
also
why
it
had
to
get
cut
off.
My
agent
kept
saying,
I'm
sure
it
is
this
way,
but
it
is
very
boring
good.
Could
some
plot
could
something
happen
and
you
know
so
that's
so
it
had
to
get
it
had
to
get
sped
up,
but
I
think
in
life.
It
is
often
very
slow
processes.
One
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
this
morning
is
this.
C
D
Great
well
I
want
to
thank
you
again.
Laurie
for
joining
us
and
you
know,
Laurie
will
be
signing
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the
room.
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