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Okay, everyone it's uh six o'clock, uh so this is uh we'll go and get started here. This is the western ingersoll run sewer separation phase three. My name is steve naber, I'm the city engineer for the city of des moines. uh Also des moines resident. uh I've got a handful of team members uh with me: uh uh city staff, uh including uh dave camp uh justin, miller, who's, the project manager, tom block, uh jeff, wiggins and uh patrick bean from our public works department as well.

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So a number of team members to help answer questions as well, so we're going to give a uh a brief presentation uh and then we'll have a period for uh questions, answers and and comments, uh and so again this is a a public meeting for the western english, while run server separation phase three uh appreciate everyone joining us. uh Virtually we found uh during the pandemic uh that this uh this has been a valuable tool to have virtual meetings.

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One uh this meeting is actually being recorded, so if, uh if a family friend or colleague or neighbor would did not get, it was not able to attend the meeting, we will we will. We are recording this and we will. uh We will post this on our website and so, uh along with more information, we'll show you how to find that a little later, but uh um so thank you again for for joining us again.

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Obviously you please press star nine to raise your hand again, that's star nine, to raise your hand if you're on a phone and then to unmute yourself is star six: okay, so star nine, to raise your hand and star six if you're on a phone and listening on the meeting. So so that being said, we'll go ahead and get started again. This is the western assault run sewer separation phase three, uh I'm gonna give you a little bit of a background on the project and then uh dave camp is gonna uh who's.

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Our chief design engineer, we'll we'll cover uh kind of more in detail, go through uh the improvements uh and talk about our schedule for this project, all right so background, uh combined sewer systems, uh which is what we're here to address combined sewer systems, are sewers that are designed to collect uh uh storm water, rain, water runoff, as well as domestic sewage and industrial wastewater, all on the same pipe.

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Okay, uh you know most of the time these combined sewers transport, all their waste water uh to the uh wastewater treatment plant uh where it's treated and then discharged into uh in our, in our case the the back of the des moines river.

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However, during periods of heavy rainfall or snow melt, uh the wastewater volume and uh in a combined system uh with the you know, with the amount of storm water coming in, can't exceed the capacity of the sewer system uh and for this reason, uh combined sewer systems are designed to overflow uh in in this case, uh for example, if the sewers uh in the area we're talking about tonight, uh there is a what we call a combined sewer overflow, uh where the the the combined sewer uh flowage would come out the overflow and go into a separate system that goes directly into the des moines river, and so that's obviously uh not a good thing at all from an environmental standpoint.

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uh The reason we do that is because we we would rather have it to be honest overflow into the combined overflow system, rather than surcharge back into uh to uh basements, for example. So that's that's why the system is where it is uh combined. Sewers are not uncommon. Combined, sewers are very common. Actually in many river cities I mean there's 14 combined sewer systems in iowa and there's there's cheese, there's probably almost 800 uh in the united states.

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So there that sounds a common uh situation, but the city of des moines, we've developed a long-term control plan um in in cooperation with the uh our the des moines metropolitan wastewater reclamation authority, uh as well as uh the iowa department of natural resources with a and entered into a consent decree that that basically has targets of eliminating the uh combined sewer overflows in a manner that uh in 2000 the year 2000, there was 20 combined through overflows in the city of des moines, and our goal is to get that down to one by the end of 2023 and so here's kind of the remaining ones.

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That are the more recent ones uh that were in the process of closing, including this one at 22nd and high uh at 20 in the intersection 20 second high there that combines overflow is the focus of this area, we're working on uh on eliminating and then the only one that would be remaining after we're. All done would be the one at uh that's labeled as number four there.

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So uh so again, we've developed a plan to eliminate these, uh including this one at 20, second and high, uh by building a separate sewer system that will handle the storm water, so the sanitary sewer system uh would stay as it is. You know your your service pipes would still connect to that sewer. It's just. We would be actually removing so right now the storm water intakes that you see out in the street and collecting storm water. They go to the same likely go to the same system.

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uh That is, is going from the uh from a uh sanitary sewage from a domestic sewage, and so we will be removing those intakes from the sanit, the combined sewer uh and putting them on a separate storm source system uh so that it obviously reduces the amount of flow going in those systems. So uh that's that's. The goal of the project is to separate the storm water and sanitary flows uh and reduce the flow uh which also reduces the flow doubt.

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That's that's sent down to the wastewater treatment facility uh and then also prevents uh combined sewer overflows, which are not obviously not preferable on a from an environmental standpoint.

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So again, as I mentioned, here's the one we're looking at right here for this project.

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Here's what we call the western ingersoll base basin, the ingersoll run basin, uh and this is uh actually one of the last basins we're targeting to or that that were around on the last phase of our plan, and so uh it's actually kind of divided into two areas: uh divided by interstate 235. It's an 820, acre basin, here's kind of your boundaries, 31st street, on the east, 45th on the west university and forest avenue on the north and then grand avenue in the south.

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So that's that's our our when we talk about the western intersal drainage base and that's what we're referring to uh whoops, okay and so in terms of where we are we, we broke the project up into three phases uh and so here's a map that shows those phases uh phase, one shown in yellow, which includes installing sewers along ingersoll avenue, which is is currently under construction.

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uh That's anticipated to be completed uh the middle of next year 2023. So I know that that construction we've all been dealing with right now and you can see that shown in yellow uh phase two. You know that that uh that uh construction uh is also anticipated to be complete by mid next year. What we're here to talk about tonight is phase three okay phase, three looking targeting looking at 35th street uh up to center grand avenue and then 36th street. So that's shown in blue here. This is the phase where we're talking about tonight.

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So again, yellow and green have already been awarded yet they're already under construction, uh and so those are going to be completed by the middle of next year in 2023.

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We're here tonight to talk about the design of phase three, so we can move forward with bidding and constructing that project.

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So here's a kind of a more closer map of phase three, uh the green is showing where the sewers are actually going to be going.

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So you can see, there's a system that will go up, 35th street branch out on center and also on woodland and there's a system that goes up 36th and branches up to grand avenue, so all tying into the sewers that are being installed right now on ingersoll avenue and this kind of shows a conceptual breakdown of how the phasing again, we generally don't want the contractor to rip up the entire neighborhood all at once, and so typically they work from downstream to upstream so again, you'd start likely start on 35th down toward ingersoll and work your way up and then hit the branches.

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uh You know and then also do the same work up, 36th street and then down grant avenue. So it's a common idea of how staging might work again. We do not have a construction contractor on board uh so that that that staging could alter a little bit uh once we have a contractor, but generally that's what we see, how it would go so.

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When we reconstruct uh streets, uh we, uh you know so what so, when we install these sewers down the streets, that often gives us an opportunity, we're tearing up the street anyway. So uh so we would rebuild the street. Obviously, in some cases where the sewer is smaller and we could isolate it, we would just patch the street other cases we might need to fully reconstruct the street in the case of 35th street, with its condition and also putting the sewer down down the road that gives us an opportunity to reconstruct the street.

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And so, uh let's see, if I had it zoomed up here versus here, we okay. So if we look at uh you know when we, when we construct a street, that also gives us a chance to look at well what how do we want the street to go back? Okay, uh so in the case of uh 35th street down uh right down by ingersoll and that approach?

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Currently, there are only four foot sidewalks on the on the west side and it's kind of it's a three-lane section, 12-foot lanes uh and on the city's uh transportation master plan. uh 35Th street is a is recommended for a uh primary bike route, and so so this would be an opportunity one. We still would keep the three travel lanes, uh but then add six foot bike lanes uh and also widen the sidewalks to six feet again, we're talking specifically about 35th street right along the price chopper right down by ingersoll.

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Just that stretch down there so again still would stay three lanes but we'd widen the sidewalks and add the bike lanes here on this section uh since we're putting the sewer and reconstructing the road. Okay.

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Okay and then this is just kind of a close-up of how it might be be constructed. We continue to move uh to the north. uh You know uh that uh you know obviously there's not the turn lane the left turn lane as you go north right up along the price chopper building.

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So in that case the two lanes which are currently two thirteen foot wide lanes would go would be changed to ten foot wide lanes, uh which is more typical of a residential type street, uh and then that way we can add in the six foot bike lanes to keep our bike facilities. So again, the bike lanes being added between on 35th street between ingersoll and woodland uh is, is what the cross section will be put back as since we're tearing up the street.

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So this is kind of a graphic that shows in green where the storm stores are going uh and then you can see the bike, the bike lane uh and then the the asphalt pavement uh and then the new sidewalks would be put in as well, and so, in our case, the bike lanes would be a. I would be in concrete.

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The street would be fold up asphalt, uh so kind of giving making it feel uh you know getting more of that residential type feel more. uh You know tighter corridor corner, you know so.

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And then, as we go north, uh the north section of 35th, all the way up to rollins uh would generally stay. uh uh You know it was. It was still state two lanes. We would add, uh with the restrictions of the the uh parkway and right away. uh We would be adding a bike lane only for the northbound so going up the hill. uh The bicyclists would still have to share the travel lanes as they do today for southbound.

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uh So again the roadway would still be two lanes uh and then- uh and so not much would change in the right-of-way, uh sidewalks and parkway.

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And then this map just shows again in green the storm sewers uh as well as uh as the street and again we talked about the concrete bike lane and so on. The east side of the road for the northbound traffic.

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And that goes all the way up, 35th street. So so you can see here. We do anticipate uh since we're reconstructing the road that we would get in that that we would have to rebuild uh the driveway aprons. So if you're uh a resident who lives along the street, uh you know the the driveway pavement between the sidewalk and the and the roadway.

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uh We would you'll be looking at getting a new driveway apron to accommodate their street reconstruction in the storm store.

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And then we also look at for sidewalk purposes up here at the intersections and improving the sidewalk curve ramps to make sure that they uh are are depressed in a matter that also meets the the requirements of the american americans with disabilities act.

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So again, as we keep going north, this is just a plan view showing this is kind of generally between pleasant and center street. Again the bike lane and concrete on the east side, the storms are running underneath the road uh new asphalt pavement.

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In uh driveway aprons that takes the sewer all the way up to center street and this dave azar. If I transition to you, I think I I've already maybe swiped some of your slides. I think, but so I apologize for that.

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Oh you're doing fine you're doing just fine, so uh yeah I can. I can jump in here, and this is just stepping through uh up to center street and that's the that's the north end of this. uh The storm sewer system, it'll branch off to center street, but we actually on the next slide, will continue the pavement reconstruction all the way to rawlins, uh just due to pavement condition itself.

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um We are uh looking at um it not necessarily uh ending the vice bike facility at this location, but we are looking at adjusting pavement markings as we move 30 foot up, 35th street uh to the north, all the way to uh university. We have not um uh we're just looking into that and and trying to incorporate that into into this, uh if, if we can so, but uh this this slide kind of jumps over on.

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uh As we talked about the the side streets, the the storm sewer that uh would run along the side streets. This is over at 36th street uh in woodland. uh There's some storm sewer intakes. We need to separate so you can kind of see, there's some a group of intakes to catch at 36th street and those will run and flow downhill toward 35th street on the next slide and those connect to the trunk line along 35th street. So kind of give you an idea.

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The the idea along uh woodland would be uh being a relatively smaller sewer, uh we're looking at probably replacing the pavement on the north side of the street, but then milling and overlaying on the south side of the street. So when we're done, we'll have a nice pavement, uh but yet not having uh the entire road tore up the entire time.

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So, uh on the next one we're jumped, we jumped up to center street up at uh 37th and center uh the same scenario: we're gra uh capturing some intakes in that area and bringing those over to on along the south side of center same concept, just patching that location and milling and overlaying the north side of the street. But as we traverse to the next slide continuing east, we pick up a group of intakes at 36th street and then continuing on over uh to uh connecting to 35th street.

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This slide we're kind of I'm going to reorient you a little bit and we're jumping down to uh that other section of of the project between grand avenue and ingersoll, and this one is along 36th street uh and and so we're looking at uh grand avenue is, on your left hand, side and and running a sewer down uh to to the north, uh to where we tie in that not quite the ingersoll.

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We're gonna bring the storm sewer uh from the current phase, one project and stub out uh just uh south of ingersoll and we'll connect in there. It is a very steep, uh a very steep street uh uh and so you'll see a number of um uh manholes to try and keep keep the grade of the sewer, not so deep and we're looking at replacing the entire roadway due to the current pavement condition, leaving the curbs where they're at and trying not to get into the sidewalk uh at all through this section as well.

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So um this is uh this is the section along grand avenue and, and we jumped way over to the west end of the project at 40th street there's a few intakes. We need to uh pick up at 40th and grand and we we're going to pick those up and then we're tr we're finding a path along grand avenue between all the utilities and and the other uh sanitary sewers. So grand avenue will essentially become uh more or less a patching job along the.

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uh We think we'll find a spot in the south lane of grand avenue, um but it won't be a full reconstruction of grand as we move to the east, we'll pick up the these intakes at 39th street and then we'll continue on to the east uh and and uh this this will connect over, uh keep keep sliding. There's 37th street we're gonna pick. Some cross runs up across the street as well, and then this this sewer will outlet to that uh storm sewer that we constructed along 36th street down to uh ingersoll.

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There is a a small intake. We need to pick up just east of here, but but uh relatively speaking, these are our smaller sewers, not as deep, but it it it can get deep here at this location. So um so these are just some example photos of what to expect during construction.

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uh You know the pavement: once we remove the pavement uh they'll, then they'll install the storm sewer in that second picture.

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uh Once they get the storm sewer installed, they'll grade it back and and put a rock sub base down, uh getting ready to pave, uh and then you can down in the left hand, corner you'll, see the roadway paving process, some will be concrete, some will be asphalt um and then we would come back put the sidewalks in and then restore the area with either sod or seed.

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um And so don't we don't want to sugarcoat this job as being oh, it's it's gonna be very impactful for a lot of the the residents and and the commuters through the area. I think you can see that down along ingersoll uh the you know we're in very established neighborhoods, and so uh we will try and maintain access to uh the residents as much as possible uh to the driveways, but there will be durations uh based on what is occurring uh that we will not.

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You will not be able to have access back to your drive for periods of time, such as um when we're installing the storm so we're directly in front of the driveway or or when we're actually paving the street. So um so we we ask for your patience through these projects and and hope at the end, we'll have a very a nice product uh that that everybody will be happy with after we're done.

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So uh kind of going through real, quick, the the scheduling that that we touched on earlier uh phase, one there in the yellow has been bid and it's been under construction.

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uh We're looking to complete that in 2023, uh we'll probably have a winner shut down this winter um here soon and we'll kind of close everything up uh phase two up in the green area. uh That was bit out this uh past spring and uh we we are looking to complete construction in the spring of 23 uh as well, and then the phase uh three we're looking to bid that out this coming spring. This current one we're talking about uh starting construction next year and then completing the entire project by the end of 2023.

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So it gives you an idea of the time frames. So if you have questions uh this is justin miller's contact information.

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He is the project manager on the job and uh he he will be um managing the con design and construction of it. So he will have a lot of the uh information to answer.

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Your questions as well as you, even after this after this uh meeting, if you remember oh, I should have asked something you can always contact uh justin, so.

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Just for those on the phone you know, justin's uh phone number is is 515-283-4933.

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And it's 515-283-4933.

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Email is m: jwmi, l, l e r, at d m g, o v, dot or g, so jw miller at dmgov.org.

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So so please again, if you think you have any questions even after this don't or comments, don't hesitate to contact justin he's the project manager. We also can find on our city webpage under dsm.city uh and then go to engineering department projects and studies. You can find you'll find the western ingersoll run, sewer separation, project and there'll be more information, including this presentation as well, so that with that, I know we kind of threw a lot at you there. But again I've got a handful of team members with me to help answer questions.

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Does anyone have any questions comments? uh Let me see if I can go back to the instruction page here again, if I can ask that you raise your hand um oops get to it by clicking on the participant's pet and then your name. If you go to your name, it should give you options to raise your hand. Okay, we'll start with ian.

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Let me see if I can get okay, okay,.

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Yep, uh I just had a question about if you will have another public meeting to discuss the final phasing of the project.

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So in terms of the uh the construction phasing yeah yeah- I don't I don't. We know that we have. We would have one to discuss the the final phasing again. Our next steps would be. Let me go back to the schedule here.

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I'm sorry, if I'm flipping through me, flipping through the slidesers, but there was a so again we're looking at bidding the project in the spring and starting construction in the summer and then what we typically do is when it gets down to detailed phasing. When we get to a particular street, uh justin uh and city staff will actually send direct mailings to uh two folks on the corridor. With the specifics on hey this, this block will be under construction. These blocks will be under construction and now dave. If you had the other comments.

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Yeah and I was going to mention the door hangers.

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We provide that detailed information to those along the the corridor and those directly affected on the 35th street. You'd, see like uh changeable message. Signs kind of telling the the people driving through you know when it'll be kind of uh close to through traffic, but that level of detail will probably be provided to you, either through mail or a door hanger on your on your residence.

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Okay, thank you.

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We generally been trying to have our the public meetings like early in the design phase. Just in case you know what comments received or things that could actually change our design. We found it to be uh better, but in general I mean the storm. Sewer is pretty much going to go where it needs to. I mean you know this is the flow path. You know heading downhill here, down 35th, that's where the line main line is and so that that won't change too much.

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So um you know again once we get through the construction phases and we actually have the contractor on board. We know when they will start that's when we'll do the mailings and and uh or the door hangers mailings and uh changeable message signs.

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The the city will also have a construction inspector on site during the construction project, so you'll be able to ask them the very specific questions as well. So you'll have a representative on site from the city as well for day-to-day questions too. So.

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Okay, thank you again. Okay, other questions, comments.

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Okay, uh becky.

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Can you hear me.

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Yep there you go.

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Okay, I just wanted to say thank you. This was very informative and this uh it was nice to follow along and I'm glad it's being recorded, so I can go back to some of it all right. Thanks. Thank.

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You so much becky appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, uh linda.

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Yes, uh we're at the 12 story, building at 36.63 grand which the garage opens up on to 36th street as well as grand and some of our folks are concerned about.

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Will we be landlocked uh and not be able to get out, so you can see yeah almost there, so grand manor is what you're the is right there that you're circling.

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So if you go a little bit more to your right, it's the lower garage is there and then the upper garage. You can either come out the 36th street entrance or on the grand.

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um Are you going to make sure that we can get out? I mean there's a hundred people that live in our building. uh Are you sure we can get out uh at some point in time.

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Yeah, so so the the along this stretch of 36th street. It is um there's a lot of high density um uh residents through this area. uh There's there's one on the east side as well, there's a lot of uh folks that park on the east side. So so that's something we've been looking at in in terms of method of construction.

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uh You know for the a longer duration, so so tell me again how I'm looking at a a um you owe me up, pull.

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That back up, let me see if I can pull yeah there.

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I was going to pull.

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Yeah, so you see that big building in the left side- uh that's uh west grand towers and then just right to the top of the picture is our garage and so people who park on the upper level can come out of that building at the top of the screen. You know straight out. We can either go out to 36 or we can go down to grand around the the circle drive then again, the top building that our garage people who park on the lower level uh really don't have a lot of options.

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They only can come out 36th street, so you know at least we have two options uh to come out: we're not a problem, we're also the building that is putting on a new roof. We have a crane and our neighbors over to the west, which is not in that picture 3667.

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They only have one way in and out of their garage and so.

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You know, even with our crane and all of the stuff we have for doing our roof. Stuff 3667 has had a challenge, uh but we will have some too, hopefully you're not going to close off 36 and grand. At the same time,.

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Wouldn't and that's.

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Kind of part of what this uh meeting is for is to kind of um fight. You know talk about, the plan would be, is you would finish 36th street and then finish that and then move on to the to the next road? You know such as grand so.

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Okay and linda just so I can so I'm sorry. I don't know why the numbers are turning off here, but um in this building right here is the lower level entrance. I don't know if you can see my cursor. Is it right here.

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I cannot see your cursor uh it it so look at the top of the screen that big gray square, and then you see three cars to come out of the lower level. They come straight out onto 36th street.

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Oh okay, I'm sorry! I was no that that makes sense. Now I was I'm sorry. I was thinking that the entrance was over here uh kind of by the the red car and the there's kind.

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Cars, our space.

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It's actually directly.

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Off of 36, and that's the only way you can get out of that lower level.

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Right right now, if there were no cars parked, I guess they could really make a very hard right turn and maybe then get out through grand but actually see the white roofed building down in the lower right uh hand, corner lower right hand, corner that's grand manor, two different buildings there and all of their parking is kind of in that square.

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It's all surface parking, there's no garage parking there, so we kind of have to go through their parking area. If we come out of the lower level and we can turn and go to 36th or we can uh come down between the buildings, make a turn to the west and go under the portico. You see there yeah.

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Steve yeah, this is where dave and justin want to look at how the sewer is staged here to try and maybe they could kind of make sure at least put like a portion of you know like I'm not saying do it half at a time, but you know half.

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At a time you know.

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We would like you to carefully consider how you do that because of us in 3663, 100 people, you know in all our garage spaces, grand manor right there in the corner and then, as I said, to the left of the screen or to the west is 36.67, and they can only you it's not on your screen. They can only use one uh and it's a dead end. You know so even the garbage trucks, even with our roof project. We had to go through all of this with the garbage trucks coming in and out.

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There yeah there you go now, you can see the 3667, uh oh yeah, so they come from grand straight down. uh We call it the west side past all those cars that was taken before the the crane was put up and so that little square building yeah. Now I can see your cursor keep going a little bit to the left. They have to come down that to that garage there and they don't.

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Other place to go.

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So grand again grand will be you know granted. Let me see if I can get to the.

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Here we go um so here here is, I don't know if you can see my oh now, I'm not sharing the right screen, um so the the sewer and grand will be in the south lane.

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Access points off a grand shouldn't be as much of an issue because those lanes will be open there. There probably will be times where lengthy times, where it's head-to-head traffic in the north lanes. So.

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Two lanes going westbound: there would be one lane going westbound and then one lane going.

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Eastbound and then.

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Basically, from what's now the double yellow, all the way south will be tore up, you know or be used for construction and building the sewer so.

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Access points shouldn't be as much of an issue, but this one over here, as you mentioned these three cars right here, um you know that that one is one we're gonna have to work with the contractor and stage it to to keep that access.

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And again I don't know if that's being creative, like you said, and somehow working with this property and so that they could make a hard right and go up to the grand portion, or is it somehow staging the sewer construction in a manner that you know? Maybe it's you get the sewer up to here and then so that way, half of half of the entrance is open or you know some sort will be tight, but so that's just something. We're gonna have to work through what the contractor did.

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uh But I really really appreciate this information, because this is exactly why we hold these because.

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I think if you could do the second option, you know do half of it uh and you know let it let people get out because it's not just us, you know it is the people there at grand manor there, too they're parking that kind of square there.

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You thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that linda. Thank you.

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Okay, uh carlos see, if I can.

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Okay, hello steven, can you hear me yes? Yes, thank you. Thank you very much for the very thorough explanation. um This is a very well put together presentation.

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I think I have a concern that many of us will have is like um I mean on the 35th, I'm just um north of uh ingersoll, and I can see from my window all the work you guys have been doing on front of walgreens and all that part. So I can um see what I expect.

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So my main concern is like uh once you start um in this part where we are people living and have to drive work, and I imagine you will break the whole street so for how long do you anticipate at a time like I would that we will not be able to get out from our driveway like? um I know it's kind of early, but just like a ballpark number, and if you can share some um suggestions on how to minimize the input we will have. I would really appreciate it.

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Okay uh and close to so so yeah, that's a very good question, so 35th street, uh you know that one is proposed as a full reconstruct uh uh dave. Do you want me to flip over to the plan sheets or stay on the aerial I mean I can toggle back and forth between.

D

uh Probably probably just the ariel is fine going up, because, because some of the.

A

35Th, like the sewer that goes up, the northbound eastern lane uh is being done as part of the phase, that's currently under construction right, but they have not gone up there, yet they.

D

They've gone up from um they've gone from the mid middle of the block down to ingersoll, okay, okay,.

A

So so, at least half of that is part of that is done, um but then, obviously, as we continue north, uh you know as we go up to then obviously there's going to be a sewer that needs to be installed down the east side of the road along the curb line right so now.

D

Now the the issue we ran into with the the the current project that you're looking out there was uh one of the 16-inch gas mains along the that, so that's a really big gas main was located in the wrong place and that's what was such a delay to that project so that what you saw in that particular situation was a little more uh extensive time frame of being under construction than than what we would anticipate so so, to give you an to give you a kind of a rule of thumb, uh uh you know not to be exact, but just an idea is usually we can get everybody back into their residence during the the sewer installation, except for I, we kind of tell folks expect about two weeks when you can't get back into your driveway that way.

D

At least you won't. We don't tell you one week and it ends up being two weeks. We always strive to get folks back in as now you might be driving through a construction site, but at least you can get back to your residence and then during the paving operation.

D

We try and limit that time frame where we're doing the grading and the paving uh to about two to three weeks, depending on on the extent of what we're doing so uh so rule of thumb.

D

I I usually try and tell folks there'll, be a a time frame that you won't be able to get to your driveway about two weeks and then later, when we do the finishing paving, because if you think about it, we need to pave the street, and then we still need to do your driveway approaches, uh and that takes a little bit of time as well and for the concrete to cure. So that's kind of a rule of thumb, time frame.

B

Okay, um to finish my question: so how in advance would you let us know that you will be blocking the driveway, so we can take the measures.

D

So so, usually when we award the contract- and we start to get out there, we'll put a door hanger up on your so so uh you know, it'll be a couple months in advance that we'll say we're coming or a month in advance, saying hey we're headed to your neighborhood and then we usually try and give you about a two-week notice before we we we even start construction on your specific location and then from there um a lot of the contractors, even though they gave you know, gave you that time frame a lot of the contractors and the inspectors will will knock on your door and tell you hey, you know we're getting close.

D

You know, make sure you're out in a few days. So so there's a progression, and I think that on-site construction inspector really helps bridge that communication gap. So you don't get surprised one day and you come home in life and you can't get your driveway so you'll know days in it. You know days in advance that you won't be able to access your driveway.

B

Okay, I see thank you, david.

B

A

A

Okay and dave is the is the um the main screen back on right now or.

D

The presentation- okay, yes, presentation is.

B

Back: okay, thank.

C

B

A

All right any other questions.

A

Let me see if I can get back to okay, yep becky.

E

Okay, can you hear me yes,.

A

Yes, thank you.

E

All right is our little that 624 35th street will we be the only business that that affects when you close down right in front of our um access to our driveway 624 35th street, um like the homes is that, like up on uh west of 42nd street we've got clients that have you know, they've just parked on back streets right? Is that what I mean homes, the the people that live in some of those homes when they've been not being able to get into their driveways? What will we do as a small business?

E

Are we going to have to have people park on side streets and try to walk to us, or I wonder.

A

um Thank you just clever you're. Are you at the northwest corner of woodland and 35th.

E

We are at the we're, not no we're not at the corner, we're right across from price chopper and.

D

Right across from the access from price.

E

Exactly exactly on the 35th street, um access of price chopper 624 and we're uh we just have the one. You know it's the house that we've, uh you know, put our business in and so I'm just curious.

E

You know I I just um I know I could have waited and called justin was it went, but I just as you're talking about it. I think I'm a little bit of heads up. I wonder what will what our options will be.

D

So uh it is, uh one question would be: is uh for your business? Do you um there's something you can kind of talk to justin about is, but would you need uh business signs or does all of your clients know where you are or.

E

All of our clients know, but we get a lot of. We get some walk-in traffic and we get uh in fact that's funny, because I've said I need them to up until uh what they've done so far right in front of our drive, um I've said I've.

E

I should have some signs made up up at woodland and different places they can get into our driveway up until now, people start to come down 35th street and, like oh, you can't even get in there drive into their drive, but it looked that way because that's where the the project has gone right up to our driveway so far, but so this is going to be a tough one. Isn't it when it's time when it's our turn to be shut down?

E

D

So so that is one thing we can look at signage for one, uh but that um the parking question is a good question. Having.

E

A business a lot of our clientele is older and, like they're not gonna, be able to park on a side street, and uh I mean we have you know I just I've been. This is what I've been curious about this whole time and I'm like I'm getting scared it'll work out. I know it'll work out, but it's not gonna be very handy. Is it that it has to be done, but.

D

And like we said, these are very impactful projects. Yes, right.

E

So I figured if you build me a little bridge or a tunnel then get over and get those people saying pick them up.

A

And I apologize which one you're at 624 is that right.

E

A

D

E

Yeah, that's my driveway and.

G

E

Our parking is just behind you. Let's see that yeah, I just don't ask you know. Walgreens will be open by that time, because you know you their um their access or whatever to their parking lot from the 35th street. People been cutting through now, since they've got some of that um asphalt laid down and stuff. uh So I don't know if we'll have to do something with walgreens and say: can we work out a deal or I just don't know what we'll do but we'll, like, I said, we'll figure something out. I guess, but.

D

And one thing to kind of mention to justin is: is there any? um You know when we look at putting the um some of the driveways back? Are there any days you are not open and those are things you might communicate back to justin to is to help us stage that a little bit if there are days you are not open. That.

F

E

Help us yeah, but so signage and yeah sunday's, the only day that we aren't open and yep this okay. Well, I could talk to justin moore too, like you said, but I just there's not going to be a.

E

I wasn't sure when this next phase was, but we've got some time to think about and figure something out.

A

So it looks like dave we got, this is the drive right is my screen with the oh? No, I probably have the ariel up here.

E

There you are yeah.

A

But there's a proposed intake right in front of that business too. So.

D

Oh wow and justin is that a low point I I'm not.

C

No, that's that's not a low point and I think uh that at one point that sewer had to jog across the street before we moved it to the east side of 35th for phase one. uh So there's probably some play on where that intake actually goes now. um So that's that's something we'll probably adjust. I don't I'm not too worried about putting.

F

That I don't want.

C

To put that right in front of the driveway.

F

And becky, I know.

E

C

We've talked before I know.

E

C

You were asking about phase one, um so yeah we'll definitely have to brainstorm some some some ways to work around or make some things a little easier, but.

E

And I understand this now when remember, I remember saying why they doing phase three before one and two, but now after watching this, I perfectly understand that so I thought it was all just up there.

F

E

The street okay.

E

I'm going to take my hand off and mute myself. Okay.

A

So justin just to clarify this and is my plan sheet showing justin or dave? Yes, so.

D

A

This intake will be mo. We can move this, then so it's away from the driveway um just so we're not right in front there. That's good!

A

So then, really the issue is just when we're building the driveway and stuff right in front of the the access.

D

Yes, the other issue is that you're getting kind of deep, with the sewer at that location as well yeah you tie into the existing box. So there are some things we need to work out so.

A

Okay, good good, good information. Thank you becky. Thank you.

B

A

Are there any other questions.

A

And I'm going to scroll back down to justin's information. Oh, I must admit.

F

A

Go okay, justin miller phone number, 515-283-4933.

A

Again, 515-283-4933.

A

Jw miller j-w-m-I-l-l-e-r at d-m-g-o-v dot org. If you want to email them and again we also again, I encourage you www.dsm.city.

A

Engineering department, projects and studies- you can find a lot a lot in for more information as well. That's we're going to post this video, but also, please, don't hesitate to reach out to justin. If you have any concerns, questions comments as we now we work toward again, our steps are to work toward preparing design plans uh and prepare bidding documents. So we could bid this project in the spring uh start construction in the summer of 22.

A

So it's it's. It's a two season. Project that'll go through 2023..

A

uh Obviously the we don't anticipate the whole the blue to be under construction, the whole time, but you know it'll kind of work in a phased matter, but uh generally it's a year and a half project or two season project. I should say.

B

A

All right, any other questions, comments.

A

Dave justin, patrick tommy, didn't miss anything at all. I don't think.

D

So I just thank you, everyone for the questions. Yeah.

A

They I really appreciate everyone's time. I can't thank you enough. We, this is what we want to hear. We want to hear uh the questions concerns comments, because this is how we can kind of work. You know, try and prepare and anticipate you know and adjust as needed as we go into this again.

A

We know, we know it's impactful, you know I'm a fellow des moines resident and, uh and they have construction in front of my near near my house as well, and and it's it's it's impactful to say the least, uh uh and and so uh um so we wanna try and figure out ways. We can try and minimize that impacts and and accommodate as much as we can. So um when it's done it'll be great, uh but it's we know during it. It's it's, it's tough. So all right all right. That being said, it's a.

F

Again, I can't.

A

Thank everyone enough for their time. If you have any follow-up questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to justin. Oh ian, let me grab you ian.

F

Yeah, I just had a question I I uh I I think I emailed justin this right away. We actually just bought the or the house that we're in in march- and earlier this summer there was it, looked like what was some sewage coming up between the joints of our driveway and the sidewalk.

F

And I was, I was almost going to get an inspector to come out to kind of look at that to see what that was, but it hasn't happened again. I don't know if it's going to be a part of this project to inspect the existing sewer to see if there's any cracks.

D

Yeah, as as part of the entire um now do you know it was sewage or was it water? It.

F

Was yeah it was, it was sewage. um I found some wipes and um obvious signs of sewage and it smelled like poop. So.

D

Coming up through the cracks of the driveway.

F

Yeah, I have some pictures that I can email to you, okay and and as I try to do, yeah just some some inspection, but we didn't have any backup backups and our downstairs anywhere. So I was just kind of wondering if that was going to be a part of that. I'd just be interested to see if that was an issue or if it was just a spill from somebody. um So it.

D

Would actually.

F

Actually happen twice so.

D

So what we uh uh we might, what uh see you emailed like your address to justin already so.

F

D

Yeah, okay, so so what we did do as part of the initial um overall arching project is, we did have all of the sanitary sewers um in the um uh project area phase, one two and three all televised just so we didn't get through this whole job. Do all this work and then realize? Oh, we need to redo something with the sanitary, so we have those videos.

D

We are reviewing those as well, so we can look at those along with your information and work with our public works folks to see if they've had any other complaints or similar issues in the area.

F

Okay, so yeah that'd be great yeah.

C

Ian, if you could email me again uh that info, I just went through my inbox here, real quick just to see if I had anything from you and maybe it didn't make it its way to me, but.

F

Might not have been, it might not have been justin. I can. I can look in again and see.

A

Can you it would, could you email, do you see justin's email up here at the jw miller at dm.org? If you could maybe forward that info to justin or alicia, make sure you get something that way he can work with uh seriously and the other public works team members and.

F

Yeah and I actually yeah I'll just do it right now I sent it for I sent. It was.

A

Reclamation authority, maybe.

D

Well, if you get it to justin, we'll get it.

A

Yeah as long as you get something justin, then we can.

D

We can work with it from there yeah.

F

Okay, yeah yeah- I just sent it over to justin's email, so.

A

Thank you ian. Thank you. That's good thanks.

B

A

All right, okay, any other comments, questions.

A

All right, uh well, everyone again! Thank you! Thank you all so much for your time. We appreciate this and and again, if you think anything else afterwards uh feel free to get ahold of justin and we can take it from there. Okay, thank you all I, I hope you all have a uh you know a great evening. Thank you so much thank.

E