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From YouTube: 12-18-20 18th Street Study Presentation
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A
All
right,
everyone
thanks
everyone
for
joining
us
this
evening.
We're
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
18th
street
improvement
study,
we'll
wait
just
one
more
minute
here
we
got
a
number
of
folks
who
are
in
the
waiting
room
that
we're
admitting
so
we'll
get
started
here.
Just
in
a
minute
here,
we're
called
the
18th
street
improvement
study.
A
We're
really
talking
about
the
area
over
kind
of
on
the
western
side
of
downtown
18th
street
fleur
drive
locust
street
and
grand
avenue
where
they
all
meet,
and
so
thank
you
for
for
for
joining
us
this
evening.
We'll
we'll
show
up
on
the
screen
here
pretty
soon
here
some
instructions
on
on
how
to
how
will
how
the
meeting
will
work
and
how
we'll
we'll
operate
zoom.
A
John
davis,
do
we
still
have
any
queuing
in
the
waiting
room?
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
see
any
quite
yet.
There
may
be
some
folks
who
still
may
join
us,
but
got
everybody
out
of
the
waiting
room.
For
now
we
got
everybody
out.
Okay,
all
right!
Well!
Thank
you
everybody.
My
name
is
steve
nabor
city
engineer
for
the
city
of
des
moines.
Here
I've
got
a
number
of
folks
from
our
city
team.
A
Here
you
know:
pam
cooks,
you
from
the
city,
manager's
office,
tom
block,
deputy
city,
engineer,
john
city
traffic,
engineer,
corey,
boven,
reef,
principal
traffic,
engineer,
jeff,
wiggins,
transportation,
planner,
so
a
number
of
city
staff
on
the
on
the
call.
I've
also
got
a
few
folks
from
our
our
design
consultant.
You
know
fhu
that
are
on
here
who
have
been
helping
us
they've
got
some
traffic
engineers
who've
been
helping
us
perform.
A
This
study
led
by
mark
messinger
and
so
they're
gonna,
be
also
helping
with
the
presentation
as
well,
so
so
again
welcome
everybody
to
the
the
public
virtual
public
meeting
for
the
18.
What
we
call
the
18th
street
improvement
study,
which
focuses
on
the
area
on
the
west
side
of
downtown,
where
floor
drive,
locust
street
grand
avenue
and
in
18th
street,
all
kind
of
come
together.
They're
kind
of
some
obscure
atypical
intersections
know
that
we're
talking
about
here.
A
So
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide
mark,
I
want
to
cover
just
some
again.
I
appreciate
everyone's
patience
and
in
going
through
a
virtual
meeting.
Obviously
we
to
be
honest,
we'd
much
rather
be
doing
this
in
person
in
an
open
house
type
format
where
we
can
lay
out
the
role,
plots
and
and
and
talk
individually
one-on-one
and
get
a
lot
of
feedback,
but
obviously
with
our
pandemic.
A
That's
that's
not
not
gonna,
you
know
not
the
way
we're
operating
and
we
want
to
keep
our
projects
and
efforts
moving
forward
here.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
working
through
the
technology.
You
know
tech
through
technology
and
and
do
meeting
virtually
in
terms
of
zoom
the
way
we're
gonna
operate.
I'd
ask
that
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
give
you
a
presentation
and,
and
then
we'll
have
a
time
period,
we'll
open
it
up.
A
At
the
end
for
questions
and
comments
and
I'd,
ask
that
you
raise
your
hand
and
that
way
we
can
kind
of
conduct
the
meeting
early
and
and
make
sure
folks
are,
are
not
interrupting
each
other.
And
so,
as
you
raise
your
hand,
we'll
we'll
work
with
you
to
unmute
you
kind
of
similar
to
city
council
meetings
that
you,
if
you
participate
in
a
city
council
meeting
and
the
way
to
do
that,
is
hopefully
you
see
on
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
A
If
you're
on
a
computer
or
laptop
you'll
see
a
couple
ways
to
to
do
that,
if
you
click
on
the
participants
icon
or
the
the
three
buttons
on
the
bottom,
there
should
be
options
on
there
to
click.
On
raise
your
hand
if
you'd
like
to
speak
and
then
you
can
also
lower
your
hand
as
well,
and
then
there's
also
commands
to
mute
and
unmute
yourself
if
you're
on
a
phone
and
so
you're
not
seeing
that
menu
bar
if
you're
on
a
phone
press
star
9
to
raise
your
hand.
A
A
So
that
way
we
gather
feedback
that
we
can
incorporate
when
we
begin
the
the
detailed
design-
and
so
you
know
our
city,
if,
hopefully
a
lot
of
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
our
move,
dsm
our
transportation
master
plan.
Our
our
main
goal
is
to
provide
a
transportation
system
that
is
usable
and
safe
for
all
users.
That's
pedestrians,
bicyclists
transit
users
and
motorists.
A
A
Again
we
talk
about
some
of
the
city
staff
that
are
on
the
call
fellsburg
holton,
olivig
mark
mark
and
his
team,
and
then
beanstrum
kim
is
the
as
a
consultant
that
that
that's
on
board
they're
also
have
been
procured
by
the
wastewater
reclamation
authority
to
design
the
large
sewer.
That's
coming
through
this
area
as
well.
So
so
with
that
mark,
I
think
the
next
slide
is
is
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
A
C
Okay,
well,
thank
you
steve
again,
I'm
mark
meisinger,
with
feldspar
cult
and
oliveigh
or
fhu.
We've
really
enjoyed
working
with
the
city
on
this
project
and
are
excited
to
share
with
the
public
here
some
of
our
findings
and
and
the
process
of
the
study.
So
the
first
slide
that
we
have
here
is
the
study
area.
C
So
we
had
looked
at
a
number
of
different
intersections
in
the
study
area
and
you
can
see
you
know,
there's
some
different
traffic
signal
icons
and
stop
signs
that
show
what
the
existing
traffic
control
devices
are
out.
There
there's
also
a
number
of
other
factors
in
the
area,
including
the
fluer
drive
bridge
project.
C
The
connection
to
there
on
15th
does
not
that's
an
at
grade
intersection.
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
considered.
We
were
looking
at
our
different
alternatives
and
again
there's
a
number
of
different
streets
here.
A
lot
of
these
are
one-way
streets
today,
and
there
was
some
look
to
see
if
there
was
any
need
to
turn
those
from
one
to
two-way
or
if
you
wanted
to
keep
it
in
that
configuration
when
this
new
project
comes
through.
C
C
It
starts
kind
of
on
the
east
side
of
downtown
here
by
the
river,
comes
along
mlk
and
then
comes
up
through
the
study
area,
primarily
on
18th,
and
you
know,
ingersoll
and
through
the
the
project
area
here.
So
when
that
comes
through,
as
steve
mentioned,
you
know
it's
gonna,
be
a
large
sewer
pipe,
that's
installed,
it's
gonna
really
tear
up
the
roadway
and
it's
a
good
opportunity
for
the
city
to
take
a
look
and
see
you
know:
are
these
intersections
really
set
up
in
the
the
configuration
that
we
want
for
the
next?
C
C
Basically
goes
from
19th
street
on
the
west
to
17th
on
the
east,
locust
on
the
south
to
ingersoll
on
the
north
and
again
you
know
we
looked
at
some
other
intersections
that
were
around
the
periphery
of
this,
but
this
was
kind
of
the
main
intersections
in
the
middle
of
the
study
area
that
we
evaluated
again.
We've
got
the
traffic
control
here.
Most
of
these
are
signalized
intersections.
C
I
will
point
out
too
there's
a
number
of
different
businesses
and
users
in
the
study
area
and
we've
tried
to
identify
those
on.
You
know
each
of
the
buildings
here
we
did
have
some
early
and
ongoing
communication
with
several
of
these
entities,
and
you
know
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were.
We
were
meeting
the
needs
of
of
of
those
major
users
and
employers
in
the
study
area
as
well
as
dart.
C
Dart
has
some
transit
routes
that
run
through
the
area,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
connectivity
and
accommodating
their
needs
as
well,
so
the
goals
of
the
project.
There
were
a
couple
that
were
identified
early
on.
As
I
mentioned,
you
want
to
plan
for
these
future
street
improvements
with
the
wra
project.
That's
coming
in.
C
C
C
There
was,
as
I
mentioned,
a
look
at
converting
some
sections
of
one-way
streets
to
two-way
and
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit,
both
on
north-south
and
east-west
steve
mentioned
the
move
dsm.
There
is
a
long-term
look
at
making
grand
and
locus
two-way
traffic,
so
that
was
a
consideration
in
the
project
I
mentioned
the
floor.
Drive
bridge
work,
that's
going
to
be
a
future
project
in
the
area
stakeholder,
so
all
that
coming
together
is
how
we
looked
at
our
study
area
and
evaluated
different
alternatives.
C
We'll
talk
about
that
a
little
more
detail,
but
there's
a
pretty
heavily
used
crossing
there
for
for
pedestrians
getting
to
and
from
central
campus
there's
bus
parking
along
the
frontage
of
the
central
campus
buildings
along
grand
avenue,
south
side
of
grand
avenue,
I'm
sure
if
you've
been
through
there
during
the
school
day,
you've
seen
a
line
of
buses
and
and
seen
them
operate
in
that
area
and
it's
not
necessarily
the
optimal
configuration
today.
I
think
there
might
be
some
room
for
improvement
there.
C
As
I
mentioned,
these
atypical
intersections
are
somewhat
confusing
for
pedestrians
and
and
other
users
like
to
clean
that
up
again,
the
floor
drive
bridge
number
six,
there's
a
an
art
installation
there
on
the
meredith
green
space
that
we
don't
want
to
touch.
You
want
to
make
sure
that's
maintained
and
then
again
the
bike
connectivity-
and
I
will
point
out
here
with
with
the
bikes
we
would
like
to
get
them
through
the
study
area
and
both
to
the
east
and
west,
but
then
also
to
the
south
along
floor.
C
C
We
also
looked
at
some
other
times
during
the
day
and
we've
we've
shown
this
at
some
of
the
the
heavier
intersections
here,
including
19th
and
ingersoll,
and
19th
and
grand
so
again,
all
of
all
of
those
areas.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
sidewalks
crossings
and
a
safe
design
for
for
bikes
and
peds
in
the
area.
C
They
do
maintain
what
they
call
a
statewide
average
crash
rate
and
that's
0.80
crashes
per
million
entering
vehicles
and
basically
that's
just
a
way
to
normalize
crashes
at
any
intersection.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
steady
intersections
that
we
identified
one
through
eight,
we
have
them
ordered
here.
The
intersection
of
18th
and
locus
was
the
highest
crash
rate
of
any
intersection
in
our
study
area,
but
I
will
say
that
all
of
those
intersections
were
below
the
statewide
crash
rate.
C
C
C
We
looked
at
the
am
and
pm
peak
hours
in
your
community
commuting
peak
hours
and
also
the
midday,
as
I
mentioned.
You
know
that's
a
lot
of
time
when
pedestrians
are
at
their
highest
activity
in
the
in
the
study
area,
and
I
will
say
on
the
right
side
of
the
the
screen
here
we
looked
at
what's
called
level
of
service
and
it's
kind
of
like
school.
C
If
I
came
home
with
the
d
on
my
report,
card,
probably
wouldn't
be
very
good,
but
that
is
an
operations
goal.
The
reason
that
we
identify
that
as
our
operations
goal.
If
you
try
to
identify
something
like
an
a
or
a
b
it
it,
you
really
end
up
over
building
your
system
and
and
you're
spending
too
much
money,
for
you
know
very
little
benefit.
C
So
d
is
a
pretty
widely
accepted
goal,
both
in
des
moines
and
across
the
country,
and
I
will
mention
we
did
look
at
potential
improvements
with
and
without
the
fluid
drive
bridge
in
place.
There
was
some
question
as
to
whether
or
not
that
bridge
would
be
replaced
or
if
it
would
be
decommissioned,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
components
of
the
study.
C
C
We
had
a
roundabout
option
where
we
replaced
some
of
the
internal
intersections
with
roundabouts,
a
project
or
an
alternative
where
we
would
remove
18th
street
as
a
through
connection
and
another
one
where
we'd
remove
both
18th
street
and
that
flew
drive
bridge
as
as
facilities
for
vehicular
traffic
in
the
area,
so
I'll
step
through
each
one
of
these
again,
the
no
build
is
just
what's
out
there.
Today,
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
here.
C
C
C
C
C
Alternative
4a
was
the
one
that
would
remove
18th
street,
and
so
you
can
see
here
we're
replacing
the
street
as
it
is
today
with
quite
a
bit
of
green
space.
We've
got
a
pedestrian
way
or
a
sidewalk
that
goes
north-south.
We
don't
have
a
street
connection.
That
goes
all
the
way
through
to
make
the
movements
in
this
configuration.
You
would
continue
east
on
grand
go
south
on
17th,
and
then
you
would
either
make
a
left
or
a
right
depending
on
which
direction
you
wanted
to
go
at
17th
and
locust.
C
C
C
So
we
look
at
things
like
right-of-way,
interesting
with
this
project.
We
really
don't
have
any
right-of-way
acquisition
proposed
with
any
of
our
alternatives,
usually
on
a
project
of
this
scale.
We
would
have
some
right
away,
but
there's
a
lot
of
room
to
work
with
here,
so
we
didn't
necessarily
have
that.
C
We
do
have
identification
of
at
least
preliminary
cost
estimates
and
the
ability
to
to
phase
those
improvements,
as
I
mentioned,
ped
by
connectivity,
access
management
or
impact
to
business
access
with
each
of
the
alternatives,
and
then
at
the
bottom.
Here
we
we
identify
whether
or
not
we
would
propose
to
advance
these
alternatives
to
to
another
round
of
analysis
or
eliminate
them.
C
We
did
have
some.
What
we
felt
like
were
fatal
flaws
with
some
of
our
alternatives,
as
I
mentioned
that
alternative
too,
with
the
free
rights
and
signalized
intersections,
we
felt
like
that
wasn't
conducive
to
pedestrians,
and
it
really
wasn't
that
much
of
a
difference
from
alternative
one,
so
that
alternative
got
knocked
out
early
in
the
process,
and
then
this
alternative
4c.
When
you
remove
the
fluid
drive
bridge
and
18th
street
that
caused
some
of
our
intersections
to
blow
up.
You
know
if
you
have
traffic
diversion
to
other
facilities
to
make
that
work.
C
C
C
C
So
along
18th
street,
we
would
provide
a
north-south
bike
connection
in
the
area.
With
this
alternative
again
removing
18th
street
between
grand
and
locust.
That
gives
us
some
ability
to
have
a
pedestrian
area
and
some
green
space.
We
did
hear
from
the
school
that
they
have
some
uses,
the
elementary
kids
go
over
to
the
the
park
area
or
the
the
green
space
and
use
that
as
their
playground
also
when
they
have
fire
drills
and
different
things.
C
C
C
C
Also,
the
the
condition
of
19th
street
today
is
is
somewhat
broken
up,
and
it,
it
probably
is
due
for
some
pavement
repair
and
upgrades.
So
we
would
replace
that
pavement
and
and
sidewalks
in
the
area
along
17th
street.
Again
we
would
convert
17th
street
from
what
today
is
one
way
southbound
to
two-way
traffic
between
grand
locust.
C
We
are
moving
the
there's
a
bike
lane
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
here
that
we
would
then
transition
to
the
north
through
this
intersection,
and
that's
some
of
that
bike
scramble
phase
and
then
also
there's
a
bus
stop
here
with
dart
that
we
would
maintain
that
stop
and
there's
also
a
b
cycle
station
there.
That
would
be
maintaining
both
of
those
facilities.
C
C
C
We
think
that
we
can
tie
that
in
and
by
doing
that,
we
we
are
providing
a
dedicated
area
for
bus
staging
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
right
now.
Basically,
it
operates
as
a
three-lane
roadway,
if
you,
if
you
drive
through
there
when
the
buses
are
there,
so
we
just
wanted
to
you
know
make
that
official
and
and
and
do
it
in
the
in
the
correct
manner.
C
C
We
think
that
there's
some
extra
capacity
on
the
bridge
based
on
the
the
number
of
vehicles
that
are
using
it
and
there
should
be
the
ability
to
take
that
bridge
down
to
one
vehicle
lane
in
each
direction
and
that
allows
for
some
improvements
to
the
bicycle
facilities
on
either
side
of
the
bridge.
So
you
can
get
kind
of
north
and
south
along
floor
drive
where
today
you're
on
a
very
narrow
sidewalk.
C
So
steve
mentioned
the
project
timeline
again,
we'll
be
wrapping
up
our
study
here
at
the
end
of
2020.
This
is
kind
of
our
last
major
milestone
as
a
hostess
meeting,
as
you
mentioned,
we'd
really
like
to
be
in
person,
but
just
with
the
pandemic.
It's
not
really
in
the
cards
this
year,
so
the
city
would
be
moving
into
design
of
recommended
improvements
in
2021.
C
So
in
summary,
you
know
we.
We
were
asked
to
provide
this
comprehensive
planning
study
of
the
18th
street
area,
evaluating
traffic
operations
and
safety
performance.
It's
a
good
opportunity
to
do
that
when
the
when
the
sewer
project
is
coming
through,
and
you
know
if
they're
going
to
be
ripping
up
the
road
that
putting
it
back
in
the
the
configuration
that
would
be
desirable
for
the
next.
You
know,
20
30
40
years
is
is
really
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
here
with
this
project.
C
C
C
C
A
All
right,
thank
you
mark.
So
that
concludes
the
presentation.
We
now
like
to
open
it
up
for
questions
so
again,
if
you
could
raise
your
hand
either
with
using
the
menu
bar
again,
there
are
a
couple
options
using
the
participants
or
the
three
dots
where
it
gives
you
the
option
to
raise
your
hand
or,
if
you're,
on
a
phone.
Remember
it's
star
nine
star,
nine
to
raise
your
hand
and
then
star
six
to
unmute
all
right,
so
we'll
get
started
here.
We
got
mike
armstrong
mike.
You
should
be
unmuted.
D
C
I
guess,
from
a
from
an
analysis
standpoint,
we
didn't
necessarily
look
at
the
life
cycle
costs.
That's
certainly
something
that
can
be
done
a
lot
of
times
when
you
have
a
project
like
this
you'll
go
into,
what's
called
a
benefit,
cost
analysis,
and
so
you'll
look
at
things
like
you
know
your
snow
removal
and
operations,
the
time
for
drivers
and
delay
time
that
wasn't
necessarily
something
that
was
part
of
this
part
of
the
project.
But
it
is,
I
think,
something
that
goes
into
some
of
your
cip
decision
making.
Is
that
correct,
steve.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
the
challenge
from
going
from
4
8.
I
think
it
was
4c
right
mark
where
the
street
is
gone
and
the
bridge
is
gone
is
is
really
more
due
to
diverting
more
traffic
and
mark
recommend
from
wrong,
but
diverting
more
traffic
to
either
ingersoll
and
or
southwest
16th
street,
which
southwest
16th
street
is
at
grade
railroad
crossing.
A
Then
you
lose
that
aspect
of
it
and
I
know
only
eight.
I
think,
there's
eight
trains
a
day
that
go
that
go
on
the
iowa
interstate
railroad,
but
they
tend
to
go
pretty
slow
and
so
that
that
diverting
the
traffic
one
sending
did
we
didn't.
We
didn't
feel
it
was
desirable
to
send
more
to
ingersoll
and
or
southwest
16th
to
that
condition,
but
so
that
was
really
more.
D
C
C
A
E
E
A
E
A
B
E
A
Yeah
and
in
the
intersection
we
don't,
we
wouldn't
anticipate
that
so
so
the
sewer
project
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
see
if
dave
or
others
are
on
there,
but
the
street
project
the
sewer
project.
Well,
it's
it's
probably
a
two
year
project,
at
least
it's
not
that
the
intersection
itself
wouldn't
be
closed
for
that
full
time
they
would.
It
would
be
closed
while
they're
crossing
crossing
the
intersection.
B
F
Well
it
this
is
going
to
affect
my
ability
to
do
business
on
that
corner.
Are
you
going
to
be
offering
any
grant
money
for
small
businesses
that
have
to
close
for
two
to
three
to
six
months,
because
we
can't
continue
business?
How?
How
what
do
you
suggest?
How
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
stay
in
business
while
this
construction
occurs?.
A
Well,
I
mean
our
our
goal
with
the
design
will
be
to
to
one
to
minimize
impact
as
we
can
and
provide
access.
We
we
don't
intend
to
close
access
off
the
bill
to
your
business,
but
obviously
yeah.
There
will
be
time,
there'll
be
long
durations
where
the
parking
the
on
street
parking
in
the
public
right-of-way
is
is
is
is
is
gone
because
of
the
sewer
going
through
so
and
then
they
answered
yeah
there.
There
is
no
programs
for
programs
or
even
a
way
that
city
or
the
wastewater
reclamation
authority
could
compensate
for
business.
A
D
A
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
ray
and
and
and
like
I
said,
that's
I'm
glad
we
have.
We
have
folks
from
vista
and
kim
on
to
a
as
well
as
our
design
team
to
to
hear
that,
and
so
that
can
be
obviously
strongly
considered
during
the
design
of
how
do
we
stage
and
minimize
the
impacts,
especially
in
that
sensitive
area.
G
E
Mean
most
the
parking's
on
18th
street
parking
is
already
an
issue
down
there.
People
tell
us
all
the
time
in
our
current
temporary
location
we've
been
to
that.
When
we
were
at
18th
they
would
circle
the
block
looking
for
parking
if
they
couldn't
find
it,
they
left,
and
that
was
with
all
the
streets
open
and
everything
any
any
space
lost
on
18th
or
grand
hurts
us
particularly.
G
Okay,
okay
and
and
that's
something
you
know
working
with
the
wra
and
and
just
knowing
what
the
that
will
help
the
staging
plan
through
that
area
too.
So
just
trying
to
minimize
like
steve,
said
that
that
time
is
gonna
be
critical
is,
is
limiting
the
time
up
through
18th
street,
from
grand
up
to
eight
from
great
along
18th,
from
from
grand
to
ingersoll.
C
F
H
H
I
think
this.
This
new
plan
is
making
an
assumption
that
those
that
want
to
access
nlk
are
going
to.
I
guess
head
into
the
western
part
of
downtown
and-
and
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
the
case.
I
just
I
just
worry
with
all
the
current
construction
improvements
on
ingersoll
that
we're
going
to
potentially
jam
up
that
that
road,
that's
you
know,
been
designed
to
be
more
pedestrian
friendly.
A
A
C
H
Okay,
but
that
makes
sense-
I
was
just
more
curious.
You
know
in
this
in
this
particular
plan,
was
the
assumption
that
a
hundred
percent
of
the
cars
that
were
headed,
east
and
west
down
grand
would
would
take
this
travel
path,
or
did
you
account
for
maybe
50
of
those
those
vehicles
that
would
travel
up
to
ingersoll
and
onto
nlk
that
way,
and
thus
potentially
leading
to
a
to
an
f
for
that
particular
intersection?.
C
Yeah
with
this,
I
think
that
we
had
it
was
kind
of
an
80,
20
type
split,
and
we,
when
we
do
a
study
like
this
we're,
usually
you
know
we
might
have
something
that
we
report.
We.
We
also
do
some
other
alternatives
that
we
look
at.
You
know
if
we
turn
up
the
traffic
on
one
leg
and
we
take
it
away
from
another.
What
happens
so
that
was
part
of
this
project
and
kind
of
seeing
a
you
know.
If
you,
if
you
you
know,
divert
more
or
less
traffic,
will
it
still
work?
C
H
I
C
B
C
B
I
G
So
the
issue
at
kingman
and
28th
that
that
would
have
been
probably
a
little
bit
smaller
diameter
sewers
and
you
know
it,
and
so
once
once
the
design
gets
a
little
bit
further
down,
I
I
don't
foresee
us
expanding
into
like
the
the
school
property
or
anything
like
that
for
for
staging
area.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
the
staging
will
occur
in
the
streets
so.
I
G
I
G
That's
okay
and
that's
a
great
question,
but
it's
also.
How
do
we
you
know
before
we
get
the
streets
realigned?
If
that's
the
route
we
go
and
and
before
you
remove
that
street
we
kind
of
need
to.
We
don't
want
to
start
piling
everything
in
the
way
while
we're
still
using
the
street
and
that's
where
the
staging
and
and
staging
plan
and
traffic
control
plan
come
into
play
during
the
during
the
preliminary
design.
So.
G
A
Right
that
this
this
this
obviously
won't
be
an
easy
staging
plan,
and-
and
maybe
it's
probably
gonna,
get
into
the
complexity
of
well.
You
know,
and
I'm
just
totally
spitballing
here
that
again
this
has
not
been
developed,
but
you
know
what,
if
what,
if
that
one
block
of
grand
was
converted
from
one
way
to
two-way,
you
know
that
then
maybe
this
the
equipment
could
shut
down
that
whole.
A
You
know
block
off
that
whole
area,
and
and
again
I
I
not
to
sidetrack,
but
that
that
is
a
big
benefit
to
why
why
the
city
does
ultimately
plan
to
convert
grand
and
locust
to
one
way
to
two-way
because
of
things
like
this
because
the
to
be
honest,
the
the
one-ways
do,
one
they
can
encourage
higher
speeds
and
two
they
they.
They
present
a
challenge
when
there
are
events
or
closures
for
construction
or
water
main
breaks.
J
I
Thank
you,
the
new
green
space.
That's
going
to
be
created.
Oh
I
should
back
up.
This
looks
really
great
by
the
way
yay
I'm
a
new
resident
to
the
city,
I'm
a
bicyclist
as
well,
and
that
area
that
you
know
the
18th
street
throughout
central
campus
and
all
that
is
really
that
new
green
space.
That's
going
to
be
created.
Will
that
become
part
of
this
existing
control,
it's
owned
and
maintained
by
the
the
park
district,
but.
F
A
And
again,
that's
something
we
haven't.
We
haven't
worked
out
yet
that
is
a
good.
A
good
comment,
because
you
know
would
you
know,
would
meredith
want
to
expand
their
their
green
space
or
how
does
that
interact
with
again
the
school
using
it
again?
I'll
be
honest
as
a
as
a
parent
of
elementary
age,
children.
I,
I
love
the
fact
that
we're
adding
the
more
green
space-
it
does
obviously
say
it
concerning
you
know
not
having
to
have
the
kids
cross
the
this
obscure
set
of
intersections
and
roadways.
A
I
I
C
We
as
part
of
the
study,
we
did
look
at
a
couple
of
different
cross-section
options.
We
again,
you
know
that
project
would
be
a
separate
project
that
would
probably
need
some
more
design
before
you
could
answer
the
question,
but
at
least
what
we
see
is
that
we
only
need
one
lane
of
traffic
in
each
direction
for
the
the
traffic
volumes
that
are
using
the
bridge,
and
that
would
give
you
some
space
to
whiten
out
the
today.
C
C
I
would
agree
you
know
I
I
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
ride
my
bike
on
it
today,
with
some
of
the
higher
speeds
and
and
how
close
you
are
to
the
vehicles.
But
there
is
some
room
for
improvement
there
on
both
sides
of
the
bridge.
I
think
we
can
do
some
some
things
to
dress
it
up
a
bit.
There's
a
lot
of
room
to
work
with
there
too.
I
Okay
and
then
my
last
question,
you
mentioned
something
about
grand
and
I
think
17th,
where
there
was
going
to
be
this
big
bike
scramble
where
you'd
have
to
hit
a
beg
button
to
get
it
to
work.
Yuck
yuck
yuck
that
doesn't
sound
safe
at
all.
Frankly,
as
a
bicyclist
and
grand
at
the
at
the
east
end
of
grand,
where
you
have
to
go
from
one
side
to
the
other
to
stay
in
the
bike,
lane
is
bad
enough,
but
having
to
go
diagonally
sounds
not
fun
to
me.
C
I
C
That's
one
way:
I
know
there
are
some
other
places
around
the
country
that
have
some.
You
know:
bicycle
detectors
that
are
in
pavement.
Those
are
traditionally
somewhat
hard
to
maintain,
though
you
really
have
to
turn
up
the
the
detection
to
be
able
to
get
the
bike
because
usually
you're
trying
to
detect
the
car.
So
it's
got
a
lot
of
metal.
K
I
C
I
C
I
Well,
I
can
I
have
about
five
or
six
that
I
currently
go
through
today,
that
are
very
frustrating
and
when
you
discover
a
new
one,
because
it's
counting
down
the
other
way
and
you're
thinking.
Oh
it's
going
to
turn
green
nope.
It
just
stays
great.
It
just
stays
green
going
the
other
way.
It's
very
frustrating!
It's
not
a
good
experience,
good
yeah!
Thank
you.
Thanks.
J
J
So
I
also
work
with
the
des
moines
public
schools
transportation
department
in
scheduling
our
buses
that
run
through
there
in
a
normal
year.
Of
course,
this
year
it's
very
light,
but
normally
we
that's
very
bus
heavy
there
on
on
grand
and
in
this
area.
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
this
design.
J
I
know
19th
is
really
chewed
up
and
there's
telephone
poles
that
are
right
up
next
to
the
road
and
a
few
other
things
that
make
it
a
very
difficult
road
to
navigate,
and
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
drivers
and
including
bus
drivers
will
not
always
take
it
as
two
lanes.
They'll
just
right
drive
down
the
middle
as
if
this
one
one
lane
because
of
of
the
roughness
of
that
road.
So
I'm
excited
about
the
improvements
to
19th
street,
but
I
would
recommend,
maybe
widening
out
the
mouth
a
little
bit
just
to
make.
C
Thanks
jessica,
I
know
one
time.
One
thing:
that's
done
when
you
know
when
you
get
into
more
of
the
design
phases
applying
bus
templates
to
to
your
designs.
We
do
that
in
the
conceptual
phase
too.
So
we
did
take
a
look
at
some
of
that.
But
if
you
do
know
the
the
length
and
the
types
of
your
buses,
that's
something
that
can
be
put
into
the
design
make
sure
it
all
works.
B
L
Good
evening
mark
and
steve
jeff
with
meredith
corporation,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
tell
you
guys
that
4a
seems
to
be
the
best
solution.
Out
of
all
of
those.
I
really
like
the
fact
that
we
are
eliminating
18th
street
and
it
appears
that
you've
removed
all
the
parking
spaces
from
in
front
of
our
our
as
you
call
garden,
trowel
or
pet
planter,
which
I'm
sure
the
meredith
family
will
appreciate
not
having
cars
parked
along
that
north
curb
of
locust.
L
L
I
guess
the
only
thing
that
I'm
curious,
about
which
I
know
we're
early
on
is
the
entrance
at
17th
and
locust
into
our
main
building,
which
we
refer
to
as
locust
south.
I
don't
think
locust
north
will
be
an
issue
but
locust
south.
When
that
road
is
torn
up,
there
will
be
some
things
we'll
have
to
just
coordinate
on
because
of
that
disruption,
but
otherwise
looks
great
and
thank
you
for
inviting
us
thanks.
Jeff.
M
B
M
So
it
definitely
makes
me
nervous
any
time
we're
restricting
that
that
whole
stretch
at
all
to
one
lane
of
through
traffic,
even
all
the
way
out
to
17th.
It
looks
like
if
it
was
two
lanes
straight
through
yeah,
exactly
that's
my
biggest
concern
along
there
and
then
coming
up
the
hill.
When
I'm
on
my
bike
I'll
the
the
scramble
thing
you
know,
take
it
or
leave
it.
I've
already
usually
changed
lanes
and
get
into
the
far
right
lane
way
ahead
and
I'm
already
riding
that
right
lane
down
through
that
section.
M
The
park
between
17th
and
18th
back
to
16th,
even
I'll,
have
already
gotten
over,
because
most
of
the
heavy
traffic
is
just
west
of
all
of
that
for
the
most
part
and
it
already
kind
of
slims
down
as
we
come
into
grand
avenue,
but,
like
I
said
I
like
to
stay
in
the
far
right
lane
and
cars
just
go
around
me
and
they
pass
in
the
left
lane
and
then,
of
course,
coming
downhill.
The
two
lanes
works
great
for
the
for
the
bicycling
too.
M
For
reasons
of
passing
and
such
those
are
really
my
only
comments
other
than
fleur.
You
know
I
guess
that
would
be
a
nice
improvement
with
the
wider.
There
is
no
reason
I've
biked,
that
that
bridge
on
the
sidewalk
and
on
the
lane,
I
can
understand
how
some
people
find
the
lane
a
little
bit
more
scary
down
there
with
the
faster
speed
cars.
But
there
are
so
few
that
oftentimes
I
can
just
time
it
out
and
ride
across
that
thing
and
not
encounter
any
cars.
It
doesn't
always
go
anywhere.
Heading
south.
A
Thank
you,
michael,
and
that
that
is
a
definitely
to
say
the
least,
a
challenging
area
in
front
of
the
school
I
in
mark
you
can
correct
me
vermont,
I
think
you
know.
Obviously
the
four-lane
four-lane
roads,
especially
in
this
area,
do
provide
a
challenge
for
one
the
concern
for
erratic
maneuver,
I
mean
you
know,
people
aren't
maybe
may
or
may
not
be
expecting
the
buses
to
just
you
know
I
mean
right
now
they
they
stop.
A
You
know
in
the
in
the
travel
lane,
and
so
they
may
or
may
not
be
expecting
that
and
then
making
erratic
maneuvers,
and
so
we,
the
thought,
was
just
to
actually
define
it
and
honestly,
also,
you
know,
go
into
a
three
lane.
Is
a
traffic
calming
measure
to
you
know
to
to
reduce
to
produce
speeds
in
there,
but
it
it
definitely
is
a
challenging
area
to
navigate
with
a
bicycle,
especially
you
know
again.
I
I've
done
some
pools.
M
B
M
M
C
C
If
you
notice,
we
only
have
the
one
lane
at
18th
going
through
the
intersection
and
eastbound,
and
we
widen
out
once
we
get
to
the
17th
again,
there's
trade-offs
there
as
far
as
you
know,
impacts
to
trees
and
other
things
in
the
existing
paths.
So
again,
that's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
will
be
taking
into
consideration
in
the
preliminary
design
phase.
A
Yeah
absolutely
yeah
thanks
for
the
comments
and
that's
something
like
like
marketed
on
the
nose
as
we
kind
of
actually
put
more
detail,
you
know
we
have
cert
when
we
actually
have.
You
know
like
more
survey,
detailed
design,
that's
something
we
could
talk
with
the
school
district
and
jessica
about
further,
is
you
know
like
how
many
spaces
and
and
where
they
are
and
whatnot.
M
I
just
want
to
make
one
more
comment:
the
woman
that
spoke
earlier
regarding
the
traffic
lights,
I
believe
most
you
know
most
of
my
encounters
cycling
downtown
most
of
the
traffic
lights
are
all
timed,
so
there
is
no.
There
is
no
need
to
push
a
button
or
or
to
do
anything
you
just
you
just
wait
for
your
cycle
to
happen,
so
I've
always
found
the
the
one
way.
M
K
Hey,
thank
you
thanks,
steve.
First
of
all,
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that
staff's
done
on
this.
This
is
and
and
the
the
consultant.
This
is
a
great
great,
great
improvement
to
what's
there,
the
it
also
sets
you
up,
as
you
said,
for
future
projects,
which
is,
is
terrific,
and
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
and
and
some
comments,
but
if
what's
it
are
we
looking
at,
I
mean
just
roughly
like,
for
example,
like
18th
and
grand
is
there
about
a
55?
K
K
N
K
A
Yeah,
that's
correct,
since
you
know:
corey
bogan,
roof
and
john
davis
have
kind
of
they've
they've
initiated
the
the
the
its
intelligent
transportation
systems,
master
plan,
and
so
now
so
so
you're
absolutely
correct.
The
new
signals
will
have
the
new
controllers
which
which
allow
for
for
more
better
opportunities
for
active
management
and
optimization.
K
But
I
just
asked
the
question,
because
I
I
wonder
if,
with
that
its
system,
when
it's
when
it's
fully
operational,
if
there's
a
way
for
if,
for
example,
at
this,
this
intersection
just
talked
about
18th
in
grant,
is
there
a
way
to
eliminate
a
lane
of
traffic,
make
it
all
a
three
lane
through
that
from
17th
to
18th,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know,
I
don't
know.
If
this
is
a
possibility
or
not
is
it
you
know?
Is
it
with
its?
K
Can
you
say:
hey,
there's
a
they're
backing
up
schools,
you
know
it's
eight
o'clock
and
there's
schools
coming
on.
We
gotta
keep
this
green
for
a
period
of
time
I
mean,
or
or
even
with
a
a
turn
signal.
You
know
a
left
turn
green.
If,
if
with
the
its
does
it
make
it,
does
the
throughput
get
more
efficient
from
a
from
a
car
travel
standpoint,
if
you're
able
to
have
the
its
and
then
therefore
you
know
maybe
eliminate
a
lane
for
other
uses.
C
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
with
our
study
was
evaluate
the
the
lane
configuration
at
all
of
these
steady,
intersections
and
westbound
on
on
grand,
at
least
through
17th
and
and
18th.
We
really
do
need
that
additional
through
lane,
we
tried
to
make
it
a
you
know
a
single
through
and
just
didn't
have
enough
capacity
for
the
for
the
traffic.
That's
out
there.
K
Sure
no
yeah,
it
is
it's
definitely
an
improvement.
I
think
it's
much
a
much
much
safer
design
than
we
have
today.
This
is
just
you
know.
Basically,
I'm
take
this
as
constructive
criticism.
Do
what
you
will,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
so
then
the
I
because
one
of
my
thoughts
as
I
was
listening
to
the
small
business
owner
talking
about
their
their
issues
at
the
corner.
That
building
is
looking
amazing.
K
Now,
if
you
haven't
driven
by
recently,
it's
just
terrific
and
if
there
was
an
ability
to
somehow
eliminate
a
lane
in
front
of
that
along
that
area,
you
could
you
know
either
widen
the
sidewalk
another
six
or
eight
feet
or
add
parking
along
the
street
further
for
the
west,
from
where
you're
showing
it
and
then
the
the
the
traffic
counts.
You're
you're
using
for
the
design
are
those
traffic
accounts.
You
guys
did
on
site,
you
know
using
using
meters
or
do
you
work,
relying
on
dot
counts
or.
C
There's
a
combination,
so
there
were
some
counts
that
were
done
as
part
of
that
move.
Dsm
study
a
few
years
ago,
there's
also
a
couple
intersections
that
we
did
new
counts
in
the
in
the
fall
of
2019
and
that
establishes
the
baseline
and
then
all
of
those
are
projected
in
the
future.
Based
on
information
from
the
mpl
yeah,
I
mean
the
traffic
model,
so
the
the
existing
year
is
kind
of
what
we
use
as
our
as
our
baseline
and
then
we
project
out
based
upon
the
mpos.
K
K
C
You
know
two
lanes
in
one
direction
in
the
in
the
peak
hour,
and
then
you
swap
one
of
the
lanes
and
make
it
go.
The
other
way
right,
some
of
that
stuff
is,
is
in
some
places.
It's
it's
integrated,
but
it
does
require
a
lot
of
compliance
from
drivers
and
and
other
things
that
maybe
again,
is
a
future
improvement.
That's
possibly
outside
of
the
you
know
beyond
2023
right
right
again,
it's
something
just
out
there.
It's
just
not
necessarily
widely
implemented.
K
Sure
yeah,
the
the
question
is
what
you
know.
None
of
us
know
the
answer.
What's
what's
going
to
happen
to
downtown
office
use
or
you
know
it's
impossible
to
judge
that
we
only
only
other
data.
You
have
right.
So
it's
it's
hard
to
tell
what
postcode
it's
going
to
be
like,
but
I
guess
you
know
if
I
was
to
wave
a
magic
wand
and
make
this
already
good
plan.
You
know
better
in
my
mind.
It
would
be
to
eliminate
as
many
right
turn
only
lanes
you
could,
as
you
could
and
and
see.
C
K
A
A
K
And
this
is
outside
the
scope
of
the
project,
but
it's
you
know
as
you're
looking
into
the
future,
I
think
within.
I
think
the
amount
of
traffic
going
on
that
bridge
is
even
going
to
decrease
more
from
the
6100
or
whatever
you're
showing
now
to
probably
I'm
just
you
know
another
like
a
thousand
or
so
cars
a
day
guessing
just
to
go
down.
You
know
I
look
at
that
bridge
and
I
think
it'd
be
amazing
to
turn
that
keep
the
bridge
but
turn
it
eventually
into
a
full-on
linear
park.
K
You
know
almost
like
that,
even
though
it's
not
as
attractive
that
old
stone
bridge
in
minneapolis,
you
know
across
the
river
there,
but
I
I
think
you
know
we're
you'll
have
to
see
how
the
this
project
works
to
start
before.
You
start
looking
at
that,
but
that's
just
a
something
to
keep
in
back
your
mind
and
and
finally,
the
only
other
thing
again.
It's
just
a
question:
is
there
any
opportunity
for
any
pedestrian
islands
like
you've
done
at
at
the
school
on
university?
K
A
Absolutely
yeah,
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
mark,
if
that
was
considered,
I
mean
so
I
guess
just
and
again,
I'm
totally
spitballing
there
just
to
get
off
your
idea.
You
know
I
mean
so
you
see
how
you
have
the
hatched
median
just
east
and
19th
yep
so
like
if
the
if
the
main
crossing
was
shifted
to
the
east
leg,
then
that
would
be
obviously
an
opportunity
where
you
would
make
that
a
refuge
island
right
I
mean,
is
that
kind
of
what
your
type
of.
K
Thing
yeah
and
I
don't
know
where
it
may
not.
It
may
not
work
at
that
that
stretch
without
all
the
things
going
on
there,
but
I
think
the
I
got
a
dog
I,
but
anyway,
that's
all.
I
have
to
say
I
think
again.
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
working
through
this
time,
we're
all
you
know
dealing
with
their
own
things
at
home
and
it's
a
great
plan.
So
thank
you.
D
C
And
I
guess
talking
about
pedestrian
refuge.
Islands
like
steve,
said
you
know
you
could
do
it
in
that
hatched
out
area.
If
that
was
desirable,
we
would
want
to
try
to
funnel
all
of
our
pedestrians
crossing
the
street
to
the
signal
you
know.
We
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
have
a
pedestrian
island,
a
few
hundred
feet,
east
or
west,
and
have
people
crossing
mid
block
there
right.
K
That
19th
and
that
19th
and
grand
is
really
the
main
intersection
where
people
cross
and
that's
you
know
with
the
left,
turn
lane
to
make
it.
It
wouldn't
be
impossible
to
do
a
an
island
there,
but
that's
just
a
it
was
just
another,
just
off-handed
comment
of
sure
yeah,
so
otherwise
yeah
great.
Thank
you.
E
B
F
So
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
that
you've
done
and
all
the
hours
you've
put
into
making
this
just
as
lovely
as
it
can
be.
Thank
you
and
I
think
that
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
extremely
functional,
and
I
want
to
thank
larry
james
for
his
comment
about
potentially
taking
out
an
extra
lane
for
parking
right
now.
We
share
parking
with
central
campus
students.
So
parking
really
is
the
number
one
issue
that
we
face
at
that
intersection.
F
A
M
About
that
michael
yeah,
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
speak
more
on
the
desire
to
eliminate
one-way
streets
as
a
pedestrian
and
again
a
fairly
heavy
use
pedestrian.
I
do
a
lot
of
walking
take
my
little
girl
on
walks
downtown
quite
a
bit
and
cycle
most
of
the
streets
downtown
on
a
regular
basis.
I've
always
found
one-way
streets
to
be
far
safer
for
me
that,
basically,
especially
where
I
get
one
ways
in
all
directions.
M
As
far
as
like
intersections,
you
know
one
way
to
another
one
way
crossing:
it's
eliminating
a
lot
of
the
conflicts
that
can
happen
and
then
by
using
one
side
versus
another,
can
also
improve
conflicts
and
risks
so
like
as
an
example
crossing
locust
street.
Let's
say
on
10th
street
so
before,
if
I
was
walking
over
to
starbucks
starbucks
was
to
the
west
originally
and
would
get
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
to
it.
M
When
you
had
to
crosswalk-
and
they
have
a
green
light
and
everybody's
trying
to
use
that
space
so
now
like
just
because
they
moved
a
high
foot
traffic
volume
business
to
the
other
side
of
10th
street,
you
now
have
a
lot
more
people
crossing
the
street
on
the
east
side
of
10th,
which
then
creates
a
lot
more
conflict
with
the
left.
Turning
traffic
coming
down
tenth
on
two
locus,
so
just
thinking
like
one
I'm
not.
M
B
C
C
You'll
hear
is
like
if
you
have
a
one-way
street,
you
only
get
like,
like
you
know
your
your
major
amount
of
traffic
in
your
peaks
direction
so
like
if
you're
on
locus,
you
might
only
get
a
lot
of
the
traffic
in
the
am,
and
you
know
much
and
so
in
some.
Sometimes
that
depresses
a
little
bit
of
the
commercial
viability
of
the
property
along
those
streets
where,
if
you
make
them
two-way,
you
have
you
know
more
flow
in
both
directions
throughout
the
day.
C
M
Sorry
yeah
most
of
the
locations
along
ingersoll
or
sorry
locus
and
stuff,
like
it's
kind
of
like
destinations,
people
are
intending
to
drive
to
this
restaurant
or
intending
to
drive
to
this
location
and
they
they
just
drive
there
versus
a
random
window,
shoppers
that
are
just
driving
by
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
deciding.
Oh
hey,
I'm
going
to
stop
here.
M
I
was
kind
of
curious
on
the
road
closure
aspect
of
it.
I
believe
stephen
had
mentioned
earlier,
how
we
sometimes
close
roads.
It
seems
like
the
biggest
closures.
Downtown
outside
of
construction
are
like
the
big
events.
They
tend
to
close
both
lanes
on
either
side
and
use
that
street
space
on
both
grand
and
locust.
Let's
say
for
the
art,
art,
festival
and
stuff
like
that,
so
really
two-way
streets
in
those
cases,
wouldn't
I'm
assuming
wouldn't
change
that
effect.
A
Right
well,
the
two-way
I
mean,
obviously
you
think
yeah
and
you
hit
around
the
nose
we
the
downtown.
I
think
it's
a
huge
number.
It's
it's
something
like
250
to
300
events
in
like
a
certain
time
frame
that
we
have
downtown,
which
again
is
something
that
makes
our
our
our
city
great.
But
you
know
obviously
the
one
way
to
two-way
it.
It
helps
one
from
a
traffic
flow,
more
options
with
working
with
dart
and
how
you
know
those
routes.
A
If
we
shut
down
one
of
the
one
ways,
then
obviously,
then
that
all
the
traffic
gets
rerouted
to
in
some
cases
we
route
them
up
to
ingersoll
during
festivals,
and
so
so
the
events
is
a
perk.
I
mean
I,
I
think
realistically
mark
hit
it
on
the
nose.
I
mean
yeah
there.
Obviously
there's
no
question
the
one
ways
allow
you
to
it
makes
it
easier
to
do
progression
of
traffic,
so
timing,
the
signals
right
because
you've
got
the
less
number
of
movements
you
talked
about.
You
are
you
you.
A
You
talked
about
the
reducing
the
number
of
conflicts
from
the
left,
turning
movements,
but
in
general-
and
I
know
cedar
rapids
has
gone
through
this
there's
there's
definitely
been
the
benefits
in
terms
of
you
know,
creating
kind
of
that
that
friction
on
the
street
in
the
sense
of
one
wanting
to
get
slower
traffic,
the
slower
traffic
on
a
two-way
configuration
tends
to
one.
It
provides
safer
aspects
for
all
the
for
the
different
users
of
the
street,
but
it
also,
it
also
tends
to
provide
better
business
exposure.
B
A
M
B
M
Are
I
think,
critical
to
downtown
makes
the
traffic
flow
fairly
smooth
speeds?
Have
not
I've
never
seen
speeds
outside
of
when
the
kids
come
down
there
late
night
on
weekends
and
sometimes
drag
race?
Luckily
they
get
caught
by
red
light,
so
they
tend
to
not
be
able
to
speed
much
more
than
a
block
at
a
time,
but
just
from
my
experience
down
there,
the
time
lights,
work
really
well
for
walking.
I've
never
had
an
issue
as
a
pedestrian
in
most
of
those
blocks
downtown.
M
The
timing
has
worked
out
really
well
from
a
pedestrian
standpoint
too.
I
can
walk
pretty
much
from
this
western
gateway
all
the
way
to
the
river
at
and
I'm
not
a
tall
person,
so
my
gates,
not
that
big,
so
my
walking
speed
but
a
comfortable
pace,
and
I
can
hit
green
light
after
green
light
and
just
not
even
have
to
break
break
us
break
a
step
and
stop
at
one
bit
walking
cycling
driving.
All
you
got
to
do
is
find
the
right,
the
right
speed
and
it's
just
perfect.
A
A
You
know
with
with
looking
at
that.
Obviously
lots
of
comments
and
there's
no
question.
You
know
the
concerns
for
the
construction
staging
business
access
and
parking
staging
during
construction.
Also,
you
know
the
comments
that
we
heard.
You
know
you
know
jessica,
19th
street
approach
to
grand
you
know
addressing
the
turtle
movements.
There
obviously
very
much
appreciate
the
comments
from
jessica
as
well
as
jeff
with
the
meredith
team.
A
You
know,
obviously
you
know
extending
the
to
be
involved
through
the
design
process,
and
then
you
know
you
know
comments
on
on
the
fleur
bridge.
Right,
you
know
is
that
you
know
we
are
excited
about
the
plan
to
reduce
that
bridge
from
four
from
four
lanes
down
to
two
and
widen
increase
the
pedestrian
bicycle
facilities
on
that
on
that
bridge
substantially.
A
But
then
you
know
the
comment
of
well
we'll
continue
to
monitor
in
the
future.
You
know
is:
will
how
will
traffic
function
in
the
future
on
that
bridge
as
well?
So
I
can't
thank
everyone
enough
for
their
comments
again
this.
This
is
our
concept
stage
mark.
Are
you
able
to
go
back
to
the
email
address
and
the
yeah
the
the
page
there
with
there
you
go
so
yeah
again.
A
I
think
if
you
think
of
things
after
the
meeting
or
you
have
colleagues
or
acquaintances
that
would
like
to
provide
comments.
They're
they're
right
there
is
on
the
website
the
website
and
the
email
address,
to
provide
contacts
and
additional
feedback.
If
you
have
additional
questions,
those
of
you
who
are
stakeholders
right
on
the
corridor,
certainly
we'll
we'll
be
more
engaged
as
we
move
into
design
next
year.
So
so,
thank
you.