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A
C
Whenever
we're
recording,
oh
we're
good
okay,
great
evening,
everybody
welcome
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
Welcome
to
the
City
Council
study
session
first
agenda
item
this
evening
we
are
without
Mayor
Pro
Tem
Gillett.
He
did
contact
me
in
advance,
suggesting
he
couldn't
make
tonight's
meeting
our
first
agenda
items
the
financial
report,
director
of
finance
and
administrative
services,
Kathleen
wrinkles
present
to
discuss
the
September
2016
financial
report
evening,
good.
D
Evening
mr.
mayor
councilmembers
I'm
happy
to
report
another
non-eventful
type
of
month.
We
had
all
the
financials
come
in
pretty
much
the
way
we
expected
them
to.
If,
at
this
point,
we
are
still
forecasting
that
will
be
about
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
better
than
the
expected
year-end
projection.
So
I
give
us
a
little
wiggle
room
again,
not
much.
This
is
down,
like
I,
said
last
last
month
from
the
July
131,000.
D
So
the
large
items
on
the
front
that
I'd
like
to
walk
through
really
quickly
of
the
very
first
page
of
the
financials,
is
the
transfer
and
encumbrances
because
you'll
see
some
fairly
large
numbers
there
negative
numbers,
the
detail
for
the
general
fund
transfers
encumbrances
is
all
transfers
and
they
are
on
page
four
like
to
see
the
detail.
1.2
million
of
it
is
the
transfer
that
goes
to
the
public,
Improvement
Fund
and
point.
D
Eight
million
of
it
is
to
the
Emer
road
construction
costs
for
the
special
revenue
funds,
debt
service
funding
capital
projects
fund
below
that
the
negative
numbers
are
encumbrances.
Those
are
POS
that
are
in
process,
but
not
yet
paid
and
to
the
far
right
of
the
multi-year
capital
project
capital
project
fund
section.
You
will
see
that
there
is
a
two
hundred.
Ninety
almost
300
million
excuse
me
three
hundred
thousand
working
to
many
large
numbers
here.
Three
hundred
thousand,
that's
negative.
D
That
will
be
covered
by
a
pending
transfer
from
the
public
Improvement
Fund,
a
question
that
often
comes
up
it's
down
towards
the
bottom
of
the
page.
The
employee
benefits
you'll,
see
in
the
far
right
ending
balance
column,
a
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
negative
number
that
is
a
month
in
arrears,
and
what
happens
there
is
that
we
pay
the
vendor
for
the
for
the
health
services,
and
then
we
collect
the
rest
of
the
funds
from
the
employees
over
the
next
month's
paychecks.
D
D
The
other
item
of
note
is
on
page
7.
Excuse
me:
8
can't
count
anymore
either
the
sales
and
use
tax
collections
again
area
7
has
dropped
a
little
bit
lower
than
what
we
collected
prior
year,
and
so
that
was
a
$42,000
drop
from
September
and
but
you'll
remember
from
August
there
was
an
increase
of
92
thousand.
We
believe
we've
kind
of
stabilized,
almost
9
percent,
below
what
we've
collected
last
year.
Again,
this
is
the
telecommunications
and
information
technology.
D
Purchases
appears
to
be
from
outside
of
the
area
that
it's
brought
in.
So
those
are
a
little
unpredictable
area.
One
has
come
in
a
little
better
than
we
expected,
and
so
that's
helping
us
out
by
about
a
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
pretty
much
all
we
have
for
the
financials.
That
are
of
note
any
questions.
C
E
E
Y'all
may
recall:
in
2015
we
had
a
number
of
residents
show
up
complaining
about
flooding
in
Northeast
Englewood,
and
the
timing
was
good
because
Denver
and
urban
drainage,
the
Flood
Control
District,
were
doing
a
study
of
Harvard
Gulch
and
our
dry
Gulch
goes
to
Harvard
Gulch.
So
we
join
that
study
in
council
proven
IgA
in
August
to
2015.
E
A
E
F
E
In
Council
was
a
was
a
we.
Let
council
know
that
we
were
going
to
go
forward
with
that
alternative
or
recommend
it
to
urban
drainage.
They
they've
hired
matrix
design
consultants
to
do
all
the
engineering
on
these
studies
and,
and
basically
the
alternative
selected
was
about
a
twenty
four
million
dollar
project.
That
was
the
initial
estimate.
I
think
that's
gone
down
and
Paul
will
go
through
that
anyway,
the
completion
has
been
pushed
back.
E
We
kind
of
expected
to
be
with
you
months
ago,
but
it's
been
pushed
back,
Denver's
been
reviewing
you,
they
have
various
departments
with
a
whole
bunch
of
different
interest,
so
it's
delayed
it
a
little
bit
and
the
Corps
of
Engineers
is
also
doing
a
study
of
Harvard
Gulch
and
they
needed
to
catch
up.
It
took
them
just
a
little
bit
longer.
So
here
we
are
today.
Paul
will
go
through
this
PowerPoint
and
we'll
talk
about
where
we
are
today.
G
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
two
studies
that
urban
drainage
is
conducting
is
a
master
plan
which
looks
at
the
hundred
year
flooding
and
the
means
to
convey
that
flooding
and
then
a
flood
hazard
area
delineation
or
fad.
That
is
the
technical
term
for
how
the
floodplain
is
actually
defined.
G
G
The
proposed
floodplain
designation
is
important
because
it
affects
people's
property
values.
It
affects
what
they
can
do
or
can't
do
with
their
property,
and
it's
going
to
result
in
additional
costs
for
the
owners
for
insurance
and
flood
proofing.
The
master
plan
will
provide
a
solution
for
the
elimination
of
the
floodplain,
in
other
words,
we're
gonna
put
all
the
water
in
the
pipe
and
the
floodplain
designation
on
the
properties
can
be
removed
and
would
any
requirement
for
any
any
flood
insurance.
G
The
current
status
of
the
program,
the
flood
hazard
area
delineation,
is
expected,
be
completed
this
month.
Urban
drainage
recently
returned
some
comments
back
to
the
consultant.
The
fad
will
be
included
in
a
physical
map,
revision
or
PM.
Our
request
that
urban
drainage
will
submit
to
FEMA
at
the
end
of
the
year.
G
The
floodplain
designation
will
identify
the
risk
for
homeowners,
it'll
make
flood
insurance
available
to
them,
and
it
will
provide
a
notification
to
future
owners.
Currently,
you
know
owners
are
pretty
much
on
their
own,
whether
if
they
know
they're
in
the
floodplain
or
or
if
they
want
to
tell
a
proposed
buyer
that
you
know,
there's
a
potential
for
some
flooding.
It'll
also
make
the
avail.
G
The
federal
funding
available
for
some
of
the
storm
sewer
improvements
beyond
which
urban
drainage
will
provide
those
federal
funds
will
be
supported
by
urban
drainage
and
the
city
will
maintain
the
community
rating
system
or
CRS
status.
That's
a
program
that
FEMA
uses
to
set
blood
insurance
rate.
Our
program
was
recently
audited
by
FEMA
and
we
maintained
our
7a
rating
of
7
out
of
10
on
that.
So
there
may
be
some
work.
We
can
do
on
that
too.
G
The
physical
map
revision
that
I
alluded
to
before
is
a
request
that
urban
drainage
provides
to
FEMA
to
include
the
flood
area
in
the
National
Flood
Insurance
Program,
the
it's
a
it's
a
federal
review,
so
there's
federal
regulations
and
and
federal
time
schedules
on
that.
So
there's
an
eighteen
six
month
to
a
two
year
review
queuing
period
by
FEMA
before
they
even
pick
it
up
to
look
at
it
once
they
do
start,
then
they
have
an
18-month
process.
G
Fad
in
the
submittal
to
FEMA,
but
instead
submit
it
to
the
Colorado
Water
Conservation
Board.
That
would
be
more
of
a
local
control,
they're
the
same
requirements
as
the
FEMA
submittal,
so
the
work
that's
already
been
done
by
matrix
could
be
submitted
and
then
it
would
allow
for
the
ability
to
for
the
city
to
regulate
the
the
floodplain
and
then
the
link.
There
is
the
full
rules
and
regulations.
G
This,
of
course,
would
again
eliminate
the
pasta,
make
the
ability
to
get
some
federal
funds
and
flood
insurance
going
forward
again.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
would
like
to
conduct
a
public
meeting
with
the
affected
residents
to
present
the
master
plan
and
the
fad
to
them.
The
meeting
will
be
attended
by
urban
drainage,
matrix
design
and
FEMA
flood
insurance
representatives.
That
can
really
do
a
better
job
of
about
answering
some
questions
and
we'll
be
reviewing
how
the
properties
will
be
affected
with
and
without
the
FEMA
floodplain
regulation.
G
G
G
There
are
flood
warning
systems
that
we
want
to
make
them
and
the
affected
properties
aware
of
urban
drainage
and
flood
control
district
contained
or
maintains
gauges
on
Harvard
Gulch,
and
they
have
that
you
can.
You
can
look
and
see
what
it's
doing.
They
have
a
twitter
account
that
they
issue
alerts
for
and
then
there's
also
a
flash
flood
prediction
program
f2p
to
that
they
issued
to
local
governments.
So
we
would
incorporate
that
into
our
emergency
management
system
and
you
know
maybe
come
up,
possibly
in
reverse
911.
G
The
next
step
of
our
plan
would
like
to
formulate
local
plans
that
we
can
look
at
some
of
these
smaller
areas
and
see
if
we
can
help
some
of
the
ones
that
I've
identified
in
the
last
couple
years
or
Dartmouth
downing
in
and
Korona
Cornell.
The
photograph
here
is
an
inlet,
that's
half
in
the
backyard
and
half
in
the
alley
of
2970
South
Ogden
we'd
like
to
move
that
Inlet
out
into
the
alley,
put
a
concrete
apron
around
it.
G
Water
mark
is
up
half
a
foot
or
a
foot
above
the
grate,
and
it
was
completely
plugged
just
because
of
the
location
that
it
was
so
where
we
can
would
like
to
coordinate
these
improvements
with
the
conceptual
design
of
the
hundred-year
pipe,
come
up
with
a
design,
build
schedule,
come
up
with
a
budget
and
funding
and
then
see
what
we
could
do
to
get
it
designed
and
constructed
this
one
on
ogden.
Here
we're
going
to
try
to
do
in-house
and
do
it
as
quickly
as
we
can.
G
This
is
the
page
out
of
the
most
recent
master
plan
that
matrix
has
submitted.
We
reviewed
that
and
submitted
comments
back
to
urban
design
urban
drainage
early
last
week.
The
total
estimated
capital
improvement
cost
is
a
little
more
than
19
million
dollars.
Now
that's
as
Dave
indicated,
that's
a
little
less
than
it
was.
There
were
some
issues
that
I
had
with
it.
Some
things
were
consistent
with
their
previous
estimate,
weren't
consistent
with
the
plan,
and
then
they
had
a
utility
relocation
estimate
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
is
reasonable.
G
G
This
is
the
work
product
from
the
dry
Gulch
master
plan.
This
shows
the
alignment
of
the
pipe
that
they
are
proposing
and
called
out
with
the
sizes
of
the
pipe.
This
is
the
profile
that
they
have
developed,
showing
how
it
will
fit
in
the
ground
and
also
calling
out
locations
of
where
we
have
crossings
with
other
utilities.
G
H
G
After
the
coordination
with
Denver,
we
have
to
look
at
funding
and
budgeting
urban
drains
typically
pays
for
50%
for
design
and
construction
of
the
master
plan,
drainage
way,
improvements
and
there's
also
pre-disaster
mitigation
mitigation
grants
available
from
FEMA,
and
the
presentation
has
a
link
to
that.
Those
are
competitive
grants
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
people
here
in
Denver
that
have
experience
with
them.
Urban
drainage
doesn't
have
a
lot.
G
The
emergency
manager
in
Arapahoe
County
has
volunteered
to
help
write
those
grants
with
us
and
then
the
other
option
is
is
would
be
a
stormwater
fee
increase
and
how
that
actually
is
is
done.
I
guess
is,
is
kind
of
up
to
the
council
and
in
finance
one
to
raise
the
funds
immediately.
You
know
a
bond
could
be
issued,
backed
by
increase
in
the
stormwater
fee.
So
with
that,
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation
again,
that's
the
floodplain
affects
people
and
property.
It's
a
tough
situation
for
the
city
and
for
the
residents.
G
You
know
some
of
them
don't
even
know
that
they're
at
risk,
the
funding
sources
for
twenty
million
dollar
project.
We
reviewed
those
the
local
projects
won't
solve
the
problem,
but
they
may
help
in
the
short
term
or
with
smaller,
smaller
storms,
but
I
think
we
need
to
get
started
move
in
with
our
public
information.
A
F
I
Mean
so
we'll
get
some
feedback
on
this
once
you
do
the
master
plan
and
I
assume
that
they'll
be
asking
questions
about
how
to
effects
how
it
affects
our
insurance
who's
off.
How
long
it'll
be
I'll
get
some
more
detailed
information
when
you
said
it,
you're
going
to
send
a
certified
mailing,
how
many
households
there.
B
G
B
G
May
some
might
not
depend
this.
This
public
meeting
is
I
would
like
to
see
it
happen
relatively
quickly.
You
know,
there's
the
one
project
there
on
the
inlet
on
Ogden
that
you
know
would
like
to
get
moved
out,
but
there's
others
that
you
know
are
in
Dartmouth
and
in
Downing
neighborhood
that
we
need
to
look
a
little
harder
at
and
how
it
will
match
into
the
hundred
year
storm.
B
E
Believe
that
the
urban
drainage
representative
is
here
said
at
least
ten
years
you
know
just
to
get
the
funding.
Urban
drainage
has
X
amount
of
dollars,
and
this
would
would
be
a
pretty
big
hit
for
the
metro
area.
I
would
say
ten
to
twenty
years
is
what
I
would
think,
hopefully
quicker,
because
it
really
doesn't
function
until
the
whole
thing
is
done.
You
know
we
can
build
a
pipe.
We
don't
have
the
inlets
to
get
the
water
in
it.
It
doesn't
doesn't
do
anything
but
I.
Think
realistically,
I'm
gonna
say
ten
years.
Okay,.
E
You
know
the
process
of
policies
talked
about
just
getting
through
urban
drainage
is
a
couple
of
years
before
us.
If
we
decide
to
go
to
FEMA
it'll
be
two
years
before
the
mapping
is
done
and
until
FEMA
designates
it
as
a
floodplain.
If
we
elect
to
go
that
way,
we
couldn't
get
their
funding.
So
that's
one
of
the
pros
of
designating
as
a
FEMA
regulated
floodplain
rather
than
just
local
control.
There's
additional
funding
urban
drainage
will
spend
or
contribute
50%,
either
way.
E
I
No
I
want
Singh,
so,
as
you
were
talking,
okay,
that's
a
bit
much
as
you
were
talking
about
it
being
completed
over
the
ten
years.
Does
that
put
us
to
any
risk?
Obviously,
once
you
complete
a
section
of
pipe
that
that
area
is
safe,
but
then
the
pipe
is
letting
water
out
for
ten
years
at
different
locations.
I
E
Can't
let
that
happen,
that's
why
we
have
to
start
at
the
outfall
end
that
actually
Denver
really
needs
to
do
their
work
on
the
north
side,
and
we
have
to
work
this
thing
backwards.
That's
the
only
way
it
works,
but
even
those
sections
that
we
do
at
the
beginning
of
the
project.
If
we
did
say
the
first
third
of
it,
it
still
doesn't
protect
all
the
flooding,
because
the
water
that's
coming
in
from
university
is
not
getting
into
the
pipe,
and
so
it
doesn't
function
until
the
whole
thing's
done
yeah.
E
G
I
And
so
there
wasn't
really
a
lot
of
pushback
as
I
thought
there
might
be
from
going.
What
is
that
I'd
love
saying
that
lately
not
my
monkey,
not
my
circus,
not
my
problem
and
they
really
weren't
like
that,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
probably
I
moved
here,
because
I
love
the
people
here
so
I
would
really
like
to
see
a
schedule
of
what
that
would
look
like
if
we
did
do
something
that
was
on
the
storm
water
or
something
like
that.
What
that
would
look
like
to
try
and
start
to
either
build
that
up?
I
You
know
the
a
kind
of
community
feel
to
this
I'm
kind
of
surprised,
considering
it
is
a
small
small
group
of
people,
but
I
think
I
was
just
surprised
without
that
pushback
I
really
would
like
to
have
the
information
so
that
we
can
really
start
talking
real
numbers
about
what
kind
of
commitment
that
would
take
and
see
whether
that
goes
down
as
well.
We'll.
C
Agree,
I
think
some
information
regarding
the
financing
and
how
it
works.
Where
the
timeline
would
be
helpful,
you
mentioned
the
you
know:
bond
possibility
almost
like
it,
you
know:
do
you
envision
a
possibility
with
no
bond
required
where
a
storm
fee
increase
could
be
implemented
and
that
money's
you
know
saved
for
capital
as
it's
needed
to
build
it
out
over
time,
or
would
that
be
a
major
delay
in
building
this
thing
out?
C
E
I
Littleton
amassed
28
million
dollars
in
ten
years,
just
by
raisin
different
rates
on
their
sewer
thing.
They
still
have
not
provided
me
with
the
formula
of
how
they
did
that,
but
that's
what
they
claim.
They
did
so
apparently,
a
little
penny,
compounded
interest,
something
you
never
know
I
mean
so
that
the
sooner
we
get
that
started
and
have
those
kind
of
things
going
on
and
at
least
know
what
we're
doing
that
would
that
would
that
would
be.
It.
A
G
A
G
C
E
Well,
let
you
know
when
the
public
meetings
can
be
scheduled
and
then
the
big
decision
that
the
council
will
have
to
make
eventually,
as
a
policy
is
whether
we
submit
to
FEMA
or
not.
Now
urban
drainage
hasn't
put
us
under
the
gun,
and
that
said
when
they
need
this,
but
you
know
I
can't
imagine,
will
be
much
beyond
spring
when
they're
gonna
want
to
know
which
way
we
want
to
go
and.
C
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
getting
some
feedback
on
that
through
this
public
meetings
process
as
well.
You
know
I
know
that
we
studied
that
a
little
bit
the
previous
council
did
at
least
a
little
bit
might
be
helpful
to
get
some
of
that
information
in
front
of
this
council
for
a
more
meaningful
conversation
on
that
at
our
next
meeting.
Okay,.
J
So
before
you
tonight
is
I
put
this
together
memorandum
together
for
council
to
give
you
some
ideas,
perhaps
of
where
you
would
like
to
see
this
ordinance
go.
It's
really
a
discussion
point
for
this
council.
It's
a
policy
decision
by
the
council
as
to
how
you
wish
to
proceed
or
how
you
want
my
office
to
move
forward
with
either
amending
or
repealing
this
ordinance.
C
C
H
H
J
J
F
I
I
Is
on
every
issue?
I
certainly
go
ahead
and
do
my
homework
and
talk
to
people
as
much
as
possible.
I
have
I,
have
talked
to
and
gotten
information
from
the
parole
board.
I
have
gotten
information
and
read
articles
from
the
sex
offender
management
registry
board.
I
have
talked
to
the
people
who
handle
the
archdiocese
sex
offender
registry
and
how
they
do
their
management
for
the
sexual
offenders,
who
have
to
do
a.
I
C
K
I
Be
direct
and
makes
it
quicker.
Let
me
see
she
she
gave
me
some
articles,
I
believe
of
some
of
the
ones
that
I
read
I,
don't
think
there
was
enough
for
everybody
in
counseling
I.
Don't
think
that
was
the
intention
that
I
was
going
to
be
some
kind
of
distribution
center
for
counsel.
Oh
here
they
are
I
think
these
are
some
of
them.
I
I
Barrentine,
of
course,
I
do
I
mean
I
was
concerned
because
there
was
we
need
to
have
as
current
information
as
possible
and
but
I
have
information
from
other
people
as
well
I
mean
we
have
information
that
was
provided
by
the
sex
met,
sex
offender
management
board
and
the
parole
officer,
as
well
as
the
parole
officer
who
was
involved
in
the
2006.
So
I.
C
I
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
other
council
people
have
certainly
gone
ahead
and
researched
and
talked
to
people
and
done
work
on
this,
because
this
is
a
very
important
issue
that
affects
over
a
hundred
families
in
this
community
that
affects
our
standing
in
the
state
that
affects
our
spending
taxpayer.
Money
on
a
lawsuit,
so
I'm
sure
that
everybody's
gone
and
hadn't
done
other
things.
So
certainly,
as
you
go
along
I'd
love
to
hear,
have
you
shared
what
all
you've
done
to
go
ahead
and
make
yourself
more
informed
on
this
issue
as
well?
Thank.
L
I
think
the
more
information
we
have
the
better
to
prepare
us
for
these
discussions
and
I
was
surprised
to
see
that
in
our
packet
we
didn't
have
a
collection
of
all
the
information
that
has
been
brought
forth
to
us.
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
get
that
kind
of
retroactive,
Lee
and
I
would
also
be
curious
to
see
for
our
city
kind
of
the
stats
on
these
type
of
offenses
in
our
city
prior
to
the
ordinance
being
enacted
and
then
since
2006.
I
Could
I
just
clarify
what
I
mean,
since
the
ordinance
itself
is
claiming
that
a
residency
restriction
is
what
makes
a
safer
than
it
would
be?
The
people
who
were
on
the
registry
not
just
sex
offences,
because
it
would
have
to
be
people
who
are
identified
and
put
on
the
registry?
Otherwise
you
don't?
You
don't
know
my.
I
L
C
I
C
J
The
information
that
has
been
provided
by
those
who
have
been
speaking
with
regard
to
this
issue,
I
believe
it's
all
been
given
to
Council
at
some
point
in
time.
I
believe
I
have
most
copies
of
it.
I
can
certainly
put
that
together
and
provide
it
to
Council
if
they
wish,
with
regard
to
the
stats
of
offenses
prior
to
2006
and
since
2006
I'd
have
to
get
together
with
the
police
department.
C
J
K
K
C
Know
I
would
say
that
I.
Think
of
that
meaningful
conversation
really
needs
to
happen
between
council.
You
know
I'd
be
open
to
bring
in
whoever
we
thought.
You
know
it
would
be
helpful
on
this.
I
worry
about.
You
know
litigants
in
you
know
those
type
of
issues
being
questioned
in
this
type
of
a
format
without
our
fair.
C
C
Other
comment,
I
guess,
would
finally
just
be
that
you
know
we
need
to
find
a
policy
that
works
and
obviously
there's
individual
cases
that
affect
that
policy.
But
you
know
we
need
to
have
kind
of
a
broader
scope.
Conversation
I
think
is
possible
and
avoid
you
know
individual
cases
as
much
as
it.
You
know,
makes
sense
for
that
discussion.
Oh.
K
I
would
agree
with
that
part
of
it.
Our
look
at
it
should
be
a
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
global
type
view
on
the
issue,
because
when
we
start
getting
into
individuals-
and
you
know
it's
easy
to
to
start
looking
at
specific
situations
that
may
or
may
not
pertain
to
the
issue,
are
there
any
particular.
K
I,
don't
know
of
any
specific
groups
or
individuals
that
I
would
say
is
better
than
another.
But
here's
the
questions
that's
going
through
my
head,
and
that
is
you
know
how.
How
does
our
ordinance
affect
the
ability
to
keep
these
folks
on
the
straight
and
narrow,
or
does
it
also
when
you
know,
when
we're
talking
about
people
who
have
committed
any
kind
of
a
crime
when
when
is
it
that
they
paid
their
dues
to
society?
K
You
know
because
we
need
to
start
looking
at
the
bigger
issues
here,
not
just
you
know,
Brian's
issues
or
X
Y
Z
person's
issue,
but
we
need
to
look
at
the
the
overall
scope
of
this.
Are
we
accomplishing
what
we,
what
the
previous
council
set
out
to
do?
Are
we
providing
a
safer
environment
for
for
folks,
or
are
we
making
it
more
dangerous
because
these
people
aren't
as
easily
tracked
now
they're
gonna
come
and
go
as
they
wish?
K
Are
we
truly
working
in
the
best
interest
of
the
whole
city
and
the
individuals
involved,
their
personal
rights
I
mean
those
are
some
tough
questions
and
I
need
some
good
information
and
stats
and
stuff.
So
when
a
decision
is
made
one
way
or
another,
I
can
say.
This
is
why,
right
now,
it's
pure
emotion,
I
think.
I
I've
learned
and
that's
what
takes
the
emotion
out
of
it
is
information
and
making
the
best
decision
and
trying
to
understand
why,
when
that
wave
happened,
that
we
only
ended
up
being
one
of
six
communities
that
ended
up
doing
it
and
to
assume
that
the
other
communities
in
this
state
they're
the
300
some
out
of
400
Samad,
are
not
keeping
their
populations
safe,
as
this
isn't
true,
so
I
appreciate
that
concern.
That's
why
I
went
on
a
that's.
I
Councilmember
Martinez
is
concerned
that
we
brought
this
forward
and
something
that
we're
trying
to
address
in
a
timely
manner
here
and
there
wasn't
anybody.
We've
got
a
plethora
of
people
that
have
come
forward
concerned
about
this
and
how
it
affects
their
ability
to
do
their
job
and,
in
their
opinion,
keep
the
community
safe.
Not
just
this
one
and.
I
A
A
They
haven't
had
the
advantage
of
the
meetings,
and
so
while
I
would
like
to
make
decisions
tonight
on
this,
I
really
want
to
respect
all
people
in
the
fear
that
they
have
in
some
crazy
ways
about
this
issue
and
without
some
data
that
we
have
public.
This
was
never
public
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
it's
it's
random,
it's
not
in
our
packets,
not
for
people
to
read
tonight.
So
that's
where
I'm
worried
about
us
not
having
a
very
open,
Internet
I'm.
A
It's
not
a
very
open
and
transparent
process.
When
we
haven't
collected
all
the
data
that
we
would
have
even
beyond
this,
there
is
so
much
out
there
and
it's
not
secondary
it's.
It's
firsthand
research
that
has
been
done
with
with
juried
publications
that
are
very
well
documented,
that
we
should
be
looking
at
with
us
and
we
should
be
able
to
base
our
decisions
on
it
and
say
without
a
doubt.
This
is
the
way
we
want
to
move.
A
I
mean
it's
not
gonna,
be
that
simple,
but
I
do
think
that
we
oughtta
for
the
public
be
able
to
explain
exactly
I,
think
it's
what
councilmember
Yates
was
saying
and
I
don't
mind
being
called
Linda
at
all
folks.
So
please,
I
I,
don't
want
to
be
called
little,
lady,
young,
lady
or
other
things,
but
I
would
like
to
be
called
Linda
or
councilmember
Olson.
It's
fine
anyway.
A
I,
don't
mind
if
you
do
that
to
me
so
I,
but
I'd
like
to
go
on
the
record
that
I'd
like
to
see
some
changes,
and
so
I
want
to
be.
I
want
to
be
maybe
previewing
to
the
public
that,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
I
want
to
see
change,
and
so,
if
you
don't
want
change,
you
better
come
forward
and
start
speaking
about
it.
Now
so
I
don't
know
who's
listening,
but
Thank.
K
Yates
well
I
think
maybe
we
should
unfortunately
have
another
study
session.
We
need
to
invite
some
folks
people
from
the
from
the
law,
enforcement
and
victims
groups
or
whatever
and
advocates,
and
let's
kind
of
cover
the
whole
gambit
and
find
out
what
what
truly
does
work
and
give
people
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
and
be
asked
questions
of.
H
A
Think
you'd
be
really
good
to
get
some
public
policy
people
that
are
currently
working
on
this,
not
just
those
who
have
retired
to,
although
that's
helpful,
because
they
don't
have
as
much
in
the
skin
in
the
game
they
but
I'd
like
to
put
some
people
who
are
having
to
work
on
this
in
the
state
right
now,
who
are
maybe
no
currently
involved,
I'd
like
to
see
them
too
so,
I
I
think
I
could
come
up
with
a
list
of
some
people,
but
I
didn't
come
prepared
for
that.
I
showed
up
because
I
was
thinking
about.
C
Problem,
I
would
suggest
that
you
know,
as
we
think
about
this
moving
forward
if
we
have
particular
organizations
or
groups
that
we
would
like
to
hear
from
councilmember.
Yates
has
provided
some
categories
of
things
and
I'll
work
with
the
city
manager's
office
to
try
to
find
some
that
represent
some
of
those
categories.
But
if
you
come
across,
you
know,
organization,
types
or
specific
entities
or
people
that
you
would
like
to
hear
from.
Please
pass
those
along
to
mr.
Keck
and
we
can
see
about
some
of
those
resources.
Councilmember
Arrington.
I
One
of
the
concerns
that
still
remains
that
as
we're
discussing
this,
we
have
not
gotten.
We've
had
anecdotal
comments
made
at
Council,
but
we
haven't
gotten
some
definitive
answer
on
during
the
time
that
we're
deliberating
on
this
and
deciding
what
we're
going
to
do
with
this
ordinance
and
whether
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
pull
the
enforcement
of
the
ordinance
or
not.
There's
banana
dodo.
I
Things
said
that
they're
not
enforcing
it,
but
we
need
to
be
adults
and
be
upfront
about
what
we're
doing
or
not
doing,
because
my
concern
is
is
that
you
still
have
a
population
of
people
that
are
being
believed,
they're
being
threatened
to
leave
and
are
probably
in
their
better
interest,
not
to
expose
themselves
or
fight
this
fight.
And
then
we've
also
heard
that
the
police
are
not
enforcing
it
and
but
there's
been
no
actual
policy
and
I
believe
that
policy
needs
to
come
from
this
council.
And
what
we're
doing
here.
K
J
I
Was
referring
to
councilmember
Yates's
comment
and
the
several
of
the
people
that
came
up
to
counsel
I
wasn't
disclosing
anything
that
was
said
in
an
executive
session,
councilmember
Yates
at
the
last
City
Council
meeting
said
the
police
aren't
enforcing
it.
Now,
that's
what
I
said
when
I
said.
Anecdotal
comments
are
being
made
that
the
police
are
not
enforcing
it,
because
I
doubt
that
mr.
gates
has
control
over
the
police,
but
he
made
that
comment,
and
so
people
in
the
audience
believe
that
accounts
a
member
sitting
up
there
saying
that
that
he
knows
something.
J
C
A
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
help
give
some
direction
for
the
city.
This
has
gone
on
long
enough
and
I.
You
know
if
we
had
made
some
decisions
by
now,
I
think
we
could
have
just
kept
the
way
well,
we'd
know
what
we
were
doing
and
we
don't
and
so
I
would
entertain.
I
would
entertain
some
kind
of
an
adjustment
so
until
we
get
this
figured
out,
I
also
I.
Thank
you
for
those
who
provided
these,
but
these
are
secondary
tertiary.
These
are
opinion
pages.
A
This
is
not
what
the
public
will
love
us
to
use,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
isn't
the
only
kind
of
information
we
get
for
our
background
on
this
there
has
to
be
some
first-hand
research,
real
research,
that's
juried
that
has
some
kind
of
methodology,
that's
clear
to
help
I
think,
and
there
is
some
so
I
think
we
can
find
it
easily.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
go
with
opinion
pages
on
this,
as
articulate
as
they
might
be.
I
A
B
J
J
C
C
I
Pony
up
on
that,
so
it
would
be
the
same
as
when
they
didn't
have
the
when
the
same
as
while
it
was
the
court
case
was
under
Rawls.
They
still
had
to
register,
they
just
didn't,
have
the
residency
restrictions
that
wouldn't
be
any
different,
and
the
moratorium
that
was
originally
proposed
would
have
only
been
on
the
grandfathering,
I
think
if
I
don't
know,
council
member
Russell
would
have
to
I'm
just
going
to
stick
with
that
council
member
thing.
No
offense
Lent
council
member
Olson.
I
J
Well,
you've
done
moratoriums
on
things
that
haven't
been
in
ordinance.
For
instance,
when
we
did
a
moratorium
on
marijuana
social
clubs,
you
weren't
allowing
them
in
okay,
you
weren't
going
to
accept
them,
but
you
now
have
an
ordinance
in
place
that
you
don't
want
to
enforce
or
you're
asking
that
it
not
be
enforced
until
this
council
can
come
to
a
decision
as
to
how
they
want
to
proceed
with
it.
So
you
do
need
an
ordinance
for
that,
because
you
are
actually
stopping
the
enforcement
of
an
ordinance
and
existing
order.
J
C
I
If
that's,
if
that's
what
the
confirmation
that
you
get
from
the
police,
well,
can
we,
if
you
get
confirmation
from
the
police
that
that
is
what
they're
doing
currently
right
now
and
I
guess
counsel
seems
to
be
okay
with
that.
If
that's
the
case,
will
there
be
a
notification
to
the
people
that
have
that
are
on
that
registry
in
that
situation,
so
that
they
know
that
that's
the
case
I
would.
I
H
I
C
Thank
you.
You
know
I
guess,
to
wrap
up
I'll
say
that
I
I'm
looking
for
some
change
in
policy
here,
you
know
I'm
hearing
some
consensus
surrounding
wanting
to
continue
this
conversation.
Regarding
looking
at
some
policy
changes.
You
know
candidly
I'm
biting
my
tongue
here,
a
little
bit
on.
You
know
my
feelings
on
some
of
the
policy,
given
the
litigation
issues
and
I'll
probably
save
some
of
those
comments
for
our
next
conversation.
When
you
know
other
members
are
also
doing
the
same,
but
I'll
just
leave
my
comments
at
you
know.
C
I
do
want
to
see
some
change
and
I
I
guess
I
just
worry
about
the
ongoing
litigation,
knowing
that
we
want
some
change
that
you
know.
Those
are
somewhat
contradictory
and
I
worry
about
us
as
a
body
sort
of
resolving
that
as
soon
as
possible,
further
comments
or
questions
seeing
none
we'll
work
tomorrow
to
get
this
scheduled
as
soon
as
possible.
I
believe
today
is
our
last
study
session
on
a
meeting
night.
C
You
know.
One
of
the
alternatives
we
talked
about
was,
you
know,
hey.
Maybe
we
need
to
reinstate
study
sessions
that
we
feel
like
we're
not
getting
there
we'll
take
a
look
at
it
tomorrow
and
and
get
back
with
Council
on
where
we
feel,
like
the
scheduling,
looks
like
questions
or
comments
on
that
a
little
bit
of
time
here
you
want
to
do
choice.
H
C
A
Gonna
save
it
from
there
because,
usually
we
don't
I
would
like
to
follow
up
on
just
what
you
said.
I'm
so
I,
don't
know
how
your
mayor
manager
meeting
is
going
I,
don't
want
to
be
critical
at
all,
but
tonight
quitting
I.
Think
I
want
to
give
some
feedback
and
I
hope.
It's
helpful.
I
would
hope
that
in
your
meetings,
you
would
ask
staff
what
are
you
going
to
present
during
this
during
this
time
and
and
do
some
due
diligence
of
asking
yourselves?
A
What
will
counsel
want-
and
maybe
this
hasn't
been
needed
before,
because
it's
not
been
so
difficult,
but
this
is
a
tough
one.
So
if
you
could
ask
yourselves
during
those
meetings
and
I,
don't
listen
to
your
meetings,
so
I
I
trust
what
you're
doing
but
I
want
to
give
some
feedback
that
if
you
are
asking
that
question
I
think
we
could
have
uncovered
that
we
council
probably
would
want
more
than
this.
So.
C
Know
I
suggested
that
you
know
again:
I,
don't
know
the
exact
conversation,
but
you
know
we
need
some
information
for
council
on
alternatives
on
best
practices
on
neighboring
municipalities,
it
seemed
like
a
fairly
comprehensive
I
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
with
the
amount
of
information
that
came
forward.
You
know,
I
do
my
due
diligence
on
the
front
end
just.
H
A
Just
saying
sometimes
you
just
have
to
ask
a
few
more
questions,
and
maybe
it
would
come
up
that
you
know
what
we
got
to
make
sure
that
research
that
was
presented
on
a
Monday
night
that
that's
in
a
current
public
place.
So
everyone
gets
to
see
it
not
just
us,
because
we
were
there
Monday
night.
That
kind
of
thing,
that's
all
I
mean.
C
I
Listen
to
the
meeting
and
I
think
that
it
started
and
it
kind
of
got
a
little
waylaid.
But
your
point
is
well-taken
that
maybe
just
to
kind
of
slow
that
meeting
down
a
little
bit
and
kind
of
go
back
to
that,
because
I
think
once
you
started
talking
about
the
issue
with
acting
City
Attorney
comer
that
you
that
it
you
kind
of
lost
that,
like
you
originally
asked
for
it
and
then,
if
you
circle
back
around
so
just
kind
of
keep
that
note
in
your
mind
about
how
this
is
going
to
look
that
night.
I
But
I
think
you
started
that,
and
your
point
is
well-taken
that
these
would
then
just
be
a
little
bit
more
productive
and
it's
but
I.
You
did
start
there
and
then
everybody's
trying
to
get
their
stuff
in
and
do
their
thing.
So
just
crack
the
whip
on
these
guys
a
little
bit
more
and
bring
them
back
to
your
side
of
it.
But
the
point
is
well-taken
because
it
would
have
been
a
little
bit
more
productive
tonight
to
move
this
along
in
a
more
timely
manner.
So
but
I
appreciate
that.
C
Now,
fair
enough,
like
point
taken,
you
know
again,
this
is
a
bit
of
a
team
sport,
and
so
you
know,
I'll
ask
for
some
support
from
our
city
manager
and
our
city
attorney
to
try
to
you
know,
evaluate
what
we
think
is
going
to
be.
Questions
asked
and
try
to
provide
as
much
information
as
we
think
to
make
this
as
productive
as
possible.
I
C
I
To
let
you
know
that
they
had
filmed
a
scene
from
a
movie
at
the
paradox:
it's
a
pretty
low
budget
movie,
but
it
was
filmed
as
a
paradox
that
it
was
very
fun
and
Dave
Black
who's,
the
owner.
The
paradox
who
also
owns
that
building
and
the
3400
block
of
Broadway.
There
is
also
on
the
City
Council
for
Sheridan
I.
Don't
think
that
that
had
anything
to
do
with
them,
picking
his
bar
for
the
kind
of
quasi
mafia
movie
that
they
were
doing,
but.
L
I
I
G
C
I
C
L
Attended
the
mos
our
opening
this
weekend
and
it
was
very
well
attended.
There
was
tons
of
people,
it
was
great,
so
if
you
get
a
chance,
stop
and
see
the
show
and
then
I
also
attended
the
free
showing
of
opera
Colorado's
performance
provided
by
the
Culture
Arts
Commission
on
Sunday,
and
it
was
well
attended,
also
wasn't
as
packed
as
a
the
last
performance.
The
last
performance
was
standing
room
only
well
in
the
back
I.
L
L
C
A
Earlier
is
if
we
go,
is
kind
of
late
tonight,
I'm
gonna,
step
out
just
because
I've,
my
daughter's
flying
out
tomorrow
morning's
I,
just
don't
anything,
I'm
rude,
I'm,
just
gonna
politely
get
up.
If
we
go
until
like
9:30
tennis,
I'm
gonna
get
up
and
leave
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
rude,
I'm
coming
for
as
much
as
I
can
we.
F
Thank
You
mayor
well,
the
item
that
was
on
the
agenda
for
tonight
to
discuss
with
Council
is
obviously
November.
14Th
you're,
having
the
facilitated
retreat
with
mr.
Greg
Pye
burn
of
leaders
edge
and
the
location
had
not
been
selected.
As
we
looked
at
the
city's
Charter,
it's
very
clear
that
the
council
has
to
meet
within
the
corporate
boundaries
of
the
community,
so
we
were
going
to
suggest
the
golf
course
because
they
have
a
nice
training
room
there
that's
off-site.
F
However,
as
you
recall,
the
golf
course
is
actually
in
the
city
of
Sheridan,
so
that
would
be
a
violation
of
the
Charter.
So
as
such,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
put
forth
a
couple
of
other
alternatives
to
you.
Obviously
one
of
the
one
of
the
ones
that
obviously
is
available
and
I
actually
booked
it.
Just
in
case
you
wanted
it
I
would
be
the
Mallee
Center.
F
F
Piper
and
made
it
clear
to
as
I
spoke
to
him
last
week
that
it's
good
to
get
you
out
of
your
natural
environment
so
that
you
can,
you
know,
feel
like
you're
in
a
different
place
and
and
focusing
on
what
needs
to
be
focused
upon.
So
that's
kind
of
the
logic
that
I
followed
with
selecting
the
Maui
Center.
That's.