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I. Council Member’s Choice
II. City Manager’s Choice
III. City Attorney’s Choice
I.
II.
III.
IV.
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I
Evening,
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm
joined
by
Darren
Hollingsworth,
our
economic
development
manager,
and
we
are
very
excited
for
this
first
item
is
our
proposed
change
to
our
economic
development
program.
We've
been
working
on
this
for
several
months.
We've
been
doing
outreach
for
folks
in
the
business
community.
Some
of
the
development
part
of
economic
development
partners
that
you'll
hear
about
this
evening
and
away
we
go
I
always
have
to
do
that.
I
apologize.
I
We
developed
a
goal
statement
for
our
new
program
and
I'll.
Just
briefly
read
it
to
you:
the
strengthen
economic
angle,
woods,
economic
vitality,
by
providing
a
variety
of
existing
and
potential
employers
and
businesses
with
resources
to
improve
their
competitiveness
and
enhance
their
opportunity
for
success
in
the
community.
I
These
are
the
areas
that
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight,
and
these
are
their
areas
we
are
going
to
grow
into
in
terms
of
our
program
and
I
want
to
mention
a
couple
things
before
we
dive
into
the
to
the
heart
of
the
order.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
keeping
our
existing
budget.
For
the
most
part.
Our
budget
for
this
program
from
this
year
to
next
year
is
unchanged.
We're
just
repurposing
it
in
different
ways.
I
It's
a
catcher's
mitt,
it's
kind
of
a
one
size
fits
all
program,
and
in
recent
years
it
went
to
fund
both
business
and
residential
development
and
a
lot
of
the
the
issues
related
to
that
program.
Specifically
for
a
town
the
size
it
awarded
pre
sizeable
grants
to
individual
projects
up
to
$20,000
per
piece,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
is
we're
not
abandoning
helping
retail
businesses
or
anything
like
that.
In
fact,
we
think
we're
strengthening
our
our
program,
we're
not
going
to
be
providing
the
level
of
funding
that
we
were
before.
I
But
in
terms
of
that
trade-off,
we're
hoping
to
help
additional
businesses
in
the
community
going
forward.
So
these
are
the
areas
that
I'm
going
to
go
through.
Very
briefly,
do
things
I
want
to
say
one
of
the
things
that
we're
shifting
toward
is
focusing
on
more
employment
and
in
trying
to
attract
and
sustain
jobs
in
the
community?
So
you'll
hear
a
little
bit
about
some
programs
related
to
that,
and
then
we're
also
going
to
tailor
our
programs
to
help
our
entrepreneurial
and
small
business
base
at
two
very
key
stages
in
their
in
their
evolution.
I
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
but
I
wanted
to
share
a
couple
of
key
statistics
with
you
that
we
thought
was
is
interesting
about
business
and
state
of
Colorado.
According
to
the
Colorado
Office
of
Economic
Development
international
trade.
Ninety
eight
percent
of
businesses
in
Colorado
have
less
than
a
hundred
employees.
I
Our
first
program
that
we're
going
to
present
to
you
is
our
primary
employer
incentive
program,
and
this
would
be
working
for
the
with
folks
who
would
be
bringing
new
jobs
to
Englewood,
and
these
the
primary
employer
is
an
employer
that
derives
most
of
their
income
from
outside
of
our
immediate
area.
So
the
theory
behind
it
is
through
those
employees
they're
bringing
new
dollars
that
circulate
within
the
economy
locally,
and
that's
that
helps
to
diversify.
Our
economic
base
sustain
it
and
sustain
new
businesses
coming
in
there's
kind
of
a
two-tiered
approach.
I
To
this
we
would
be
rebaiting
sales
tax
to
use
taxes
or
permit
fees
associated
primarily
with
the
build-out
of
physical
space
in
buildings
that
new
employers
would
be
occupying.
So
if
they
create
a
minimum
of
five
jobs,
they're
paying
above
our
median
wage
and
they
strive
to
hire
Englewood
residents.
We
would
be
proposing
rebates,
administrative
Lea
up
to
$25,000.
I
The
second
area
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
discretion
focus,
and
this
would
be
where
you
as
council
would
be
looking
at
either
larger
number
of
jobs
that
would
be
committed
in
these
types
of
employers
or
some
special
circumstances
where
cumulative
totals
of
rebates
would
exceed
$25,000.
So
we
would
bring
you
those
types
of
options
for
consideration,
either
for
larger
employers
or
special
cases.
I
Shifting
back
to
our
entrepreneurial
base,
which
we
think
is
a
huge
potential
growth
area
in
this
community,
both
people
who
would
be
developing
jobs,
but
also
people
who
be
opening
businesses,
service
and
retail
businesses
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
them
at
two
very
key
points
in
the
revolution.
The
first
area
is
when
they're,
first
starting
and
so
we're
proposing
a
business
initiation
grant
and
that
would
be
new
business.
Startup
assistance
and
that
would
be
for
funds
that
would
be
for
any
viable
business
purpose.
I
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
want
to
do
this
is
we
want
to
increase
small
business
development
entrepreneurialism
in
the
community.
Our
requirements
for
this
would
be
that
they
occupy
a
commercial
storefront.
They
they're
in
a
commercial
building
location,
that's
publicly
accessible,
so
in
other
words,
it
doesn't
mean
home-based
businesses,
and
so
the
other
requirement
that
we
have
is
that
they
participate
in
some
type
of
business
planning
workshop.
That's
occupied,
that's
offered
by
our
impending
business
partner,
the
Small
Business
Development
Center,
and
this
would
do
two
things.
I
It
gives
them
a
leg
up
at
the
very
critical
time
when
they're
first
starting
out
did
they
get
some
expert
opinions
and
advice
about
their
ideas
and
where
they're,
what
they're,
trying
to
do?
The
other
thing
that's
nice
is
they
can
develop
a
network.
These
these
training
programs
largely
take
place
among
their
peers.
People
are
at
the
similar
stages
that
they
are
in
terms
of
their
business
life
cycle.
I
So
if
they
start
to
meet
people
in
the
community,
they
can
rely
on
one
another
going
forward
and
they
have
an
informal
network
going
forward
to
support
each
other.
We
think
that's
very
important.
The
maximum
grant
would
be
allow
about
this.
Startup
stage
would
be
$2,500
and
again
they
need
to
complete
some
business
training
with
us
and
develop
with
our
partners
and
develop
a
business
plan.
I
The
second
time,
businesses
face
critical
stage
is
when
they're
ready
to
take
that
next
step
after
they've
been
open
for
a
few
years,
they're
ready
to
expand
the
ready
to
make
a
major
capital
investment,
they're
ready
to
hire
new
people
they're
going
to
be
thinking
about.
You
know
where
their
leases,
what
kind
of
space
they
want
to
grow
into,
and
so
the
second
option
would
be
the
acceleration
grant
for
businesses
that
have
been
operating
in
Englewood
for
a
minimum
of
two
years.
I
They
would
be
eligible
for
a
grant
of
up
to
$5,000
we'd
like
to
see
kind
of
their
business
forecast,
they're
planning
of
what
they
expect.
The
results
of
that
type
of
investment
would
be,
and
again
they
would
work
with
the
the
Small
Business
Development
Center,
to
complete
some
business
planning
efforts
again.
The
idea
is
to
give
folks
not
a
handout
but
a
leg
up
at
these
critical
stages
of
their
evolution.
I
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
is,
if
we're
talking
about
business
training,
that
we
actually
have
the
infrastructure
to
offer
it,
and
so
we
are
proposing
to
form
two
partnerships
with
two
key
partners
and
players.
The
first
is
the
small
business
of
a
small
business
administration
and
an
example
of
that.
I
So
the
SBA
is
somebody,
an
organization
that
we've
actually
been
active
with
the
other
one
is
the
Small
Business
Development
Center,
it's
technically
known
as
the
Aurora
Aurora
South
Metro
SBDC,
their
geographic
area
starts
all
the
way
at
the
west
side
of
the
metro
area
and
cuts
across
the
entire
entirety
of
the
southern
end
of
the
metro
area.
All
the
way
out
to
east
of
Aurora,
so
they
have
a
pretty
big
geographic
measure,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
with
them.
I
A
few
me
a
few
months
ago,
is
to
actually
start
to
do
something
that
they've
really
never
done
here
before,
which
is
host
workshops
trainings.
And
if
you
approve
the
the
new
economic
development
program,
we
will
actually
get
some
consulting
from
them
as
well,
which
would
be
their
consultants
will
come
to
this
building
and
work
one-on-one
with
Englewood
based
businesses
on
their
on
their
challenges.
I
Their
business
plans,
those
types
of
things
again,
cheating
again,
we've
already
been
working
with
the
Small
Business
Development
Center,
the
leading
edge
strategic
planning
program
is
going
on
in
this
building
every
other
Friday,
and
that
will
be
that
will
be
continuing
to
I
believe
the
first
week
of
December
and
then
on
Friday
October
21st.
We
have
another
program
with
the
SBDC
with
which
looks
at
funding
for
small
business
development
that
the
SBDC
and
Englewood
is
co-hosting
here
on
the
21st
of
October
a
week
from
Friday.
I
In
order
to
have
the
the
seriousness
of
the
approach
about
our
business
training
programs
for
folks
who
may
be
very
early
in
their
in
their
their
business
evolution,
obviously
there
most
folks
at
that
stage
and
their
business
are
pretty
strapped
for
cash.
So
we're
gonna
offer
up
to
$500
for
folks
to
go
to
some
of
those
business
trainings.
We
don't
think
this
will
be
necessary
for
everyone,
but
the
folks
who
have
promising
ideas.
I
We
want
to
make
sure
that
again
we're
not
giving
them
a
handout,
we're
giving
a
hand
up
in
terms
of
being
able
to
have
the
best
chance
of
success
for
their
business
endeavor
in
England,
we've
repurposed,
the
Alliance
for
commerce
in
Englewood,
ace
ace
has
been
a
city
council,
business
advisory
board
and
over
the
course
of
the
last
few
months,
we've
tried
to
shift
ace
out
of
a
monthly
meeting.
That's
kind
of
agenda
based
they
frankly
and
honestly,
been
struggling
with
that
in
making
progress
and
coming
to
quorums
and
their
meetings.
I
This
has
not
changed.
We've
been
in
the
South
Metro
enterprise
zone
for
some
period
of
time,
enterprise
zones
are
established
to
provide
various
tax
credit
tax
credits
for
various
business
investments,
equipment
employees.
That
type
of
thing
I
would
point
out
that
in
2015,
the
Economic
Development
Commission
expanded
the
enterprise
zone
to
the
entire
city,
which
is
a
major
plus
for
us,
and
it
applies
to
any
job,
that's
created.
I
So
that's
another
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
terms
of
really
ramping
up
the
identity
of
us
in
an
enterprise
zone
in
the
enterprise
zone
and
making
sure
that
people
understand
that
they
have
that
opportunity
to
take
advantage
of
those
tax
credits.
The
city
has
also
been
involved
in
the
Colorado
brownfields
revolving
loan
fund.
We
have
actually
been
a
charter.
Member
of
that
organization.
I
Darren
actually
helped
start
that
organization.
Several
years
ago
it
was
deployed
for
the
Centennial
Park
and
then
the
general
ironworks
sight.
Boulevard
builders
is
actually
working
with
them
on
the
potential
of
a
loan
to
help
some
of
the
remediation
associated
with
that
project
to
the
north
of
us,
commercial,
industrial
site
selection.
In
the
old
days,
we
would
get
calls
from
prospective
tenants
for
our
commercial
industrial
space.
People
who'd
be
interested
in
saying
what
do
you
have
available
in
Englewood?
I
For
my
business
we
still
get
those
calls,
but
you
would
be
surprised
at
how
many
people
we
never
even
hear
from
so
what's
what's
happening
out
there
in
the
world
is
more
and
more
of
potential.
Tenants
are
sitting
at
the
comfort
of
their
computer
wherever
they
are
and
they're
doing
their
own
searches,
and
so
we
have
actually
contracted
with
and
we'll
have
support
from
to
property
search
databases,
and
these
are
going
to
be
interactive
for
people
to
be
able
to
search
all
of
our
available
properties.
I
We've
made
sure
that
it's
restricted
to
our
corporate
boundaries,
and
it's
not
that
broader
Englewood
definition
that
some
people
have
and
so
there's
two
ways
that
people
could
get.
This
information.
People
who
still
call
us
up
will
be
able
to
do
the
property
searches
on
their
behalf,
but
as
I
mentioned,
prospects
can
also
do
their
self
reporting
and
generation
and
reach
out
directly
to
the
brokerage
community.
I
Page
and
I'll
actually
consider
this
the
front
page
of
our
economic
development
program,
because
it
will
be
everything
that
we
do
a
twosie
in
one
location
for
people
who
are
interested
in
opening
and
expanding
businesses.
Here
in
City,
we
will
make
sure
that
every
perspective
and
new
business
receives
a
guide
either
electronically
or
in
hard
copy
format.
This
is
going
to
be,
as
I
said,
a
very
key
part
of
our
program.
All
of
the
programs
that
I
discussed
will
be
in
the
business
resource
guide.
I
Finally,
just
to
preview
a
little
bit
about
what
we
are
planning
to
bring
to
you
next
week,
we're
going
to
bring
to
you
in
a
resolution
to
ask
that
you
formally
adopt
this
economic
development
program,
we're
going
to
be
bringing
an
intergovernmental
agreement
with
a
Small
Business,
Development
Center.
That
will
commit
us
to
a
contract
with
them
to
provide
the
services
that
I
described
earlier
and
we're
going
to
bring
a
proclamation
to
initiate
the
start
up
in
a
day,
proclamation
or
start
up
in
a
day
program
that
is
sponsored
by
the
Small
Business
Development
Administration.
I
H
F
A
This
is
excellent.
I
am
so
excited
about
this
I
think
this
is
something
we've
wanted
for
a
long
time
in
the
economies
right
for
it,
I
think
everything's
right
for
it
to
what
extent
I
the
chamber
was
in
here
a
few
times.
So,
to
what
extent
can
they
be
helping
play
into
this
as
well,
because
they
might
see
some
of
this
as
a
shift
in
some
way
they
don't
I
would
say
at
the
last
meeting
so
I
don't
know
how
where
they
are
some
of
this,
but
I
I
hope
they
will
be
supportive.
I
Well,
I
think
we've
worked
with
we've
we've
endeavored
to
work
with
the
chamber
throughout
this
process,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
really
going
to
emphasize
going
forward
is
our
partnerships
with
all
of
these
agencies.
One
of
the
things
that
I
found
is
is
none
of
us
can
can
be
everything
to
everybody
alone,
and
so
our
resource
guide
specifically
will
have
all
of
our
partners
and
all
the
programs
that
they
offer
as
links
so.
I
A
K
Got
one
of
the
facets
of
the
the
programís
of
Ace
is
to
reach
out
into
the
business
community
and
meet
with
on
a
visitation
basis,
the
business
community
and
spoke
with
the
Chamber's
executive
director
Randy,
okay,
and
he
was
very
supportive
of
that
initiative.
In
fact,
we
will
be
meeting
with
their
board
very
shortly
to
talk
about
Asus
outreach
initiative
and
creating
kind
of
an
ambassador
group
that
also
goes
out
with
ace
now.
A
I
A
A
H
H
H
B
I
We're
going
to
be
seeing
some
pretty
positive
results
very
quickly,
and
it's
also
incumbent
on
us
to
go
out
there
and
share
the
fact
that
this
now
exists
and
that
we
have
changed
and
again
that's
why
we're
going
to
be
relying
on
our
partners
to
help
us
do
that,
including
the
chamber
and
the
other
groups
that
I
mentioned
word
of
mouth
is
big
in
this
type
of
thing
and
as
we
have
people
coming
into
this
building
for
more
training
in
consultation,
we'll
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
our
programs
as
well.
Okay,.
C
Yes,
thank
you
for
putting
this
together.
I
really
like
the
multi
facets
that
this
has
and
I
really
like
that.
It
approaches
business
owners
at
a
variety
of
stages
in
their
business.
So
we're
not
just
focusing
on
you
know:
new
businesses
or
older
businesses,
I,
really
like
that
variety.
My
question
is:
do
you
have
any
idea
with
some
of
these
or
any
of
them,
how
we
would
measure
the
success
of
these
facets?
I.
I
Think
that's
a
great
question
and
that
gives
me
the
opportunity
in
a
minute
to
say
a
caveat,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
I'll
go
back
to
is
that
statistic
that
I
cited
about
86%
of
employers
are
less
than
20
people
and
so
to
us
it
is
getting
more
businesses
to
occupy
more
of
our
space.
I
look
around
this
area.
I
look
around
South
Broadway.
I
There
are
just
amazing
opportunities
for
these
types
of
businesses
with
that
type
of
employment
level
to
start
to
fill
in
some
of
these
places,
and
so
that's
really
the
target
audience
for
it
and
that's
who
will
really
be
working
closely
with
I
do
need
to
share
with
you,
though.
This
is
not
a
hundred
percent
success
rate
we're
dealing
with
folks
who
are
at
the
most
vulnerable
stage
in
their
business
cycle,
which
a
large
part
of
that
time
is
when
they've
been
up
and
running
less
than
three
years.
I
C
K
Briefly,
on
the
measurable
outcomes,
there's
a
little
matrix
in
the
staff
report
that
that
describes
some
of
the
anticipated
outcomes
with
increasing
jobs,
increasing
wages
associated
with
those
jobs
increasing
so
we'll
be
able
to
track
that
and
measure
that,
through
the
through
the
outcomes
in
the
in
the
program
and
report
back
periodically
about
the
number
of
businesses
and
entrepreneurs
that
started
businesses
in
Englewood
that
participated
in
the
in
the
training,
programs,
etc
in
the
one-on-one
contact.
So
we
will
have
some
measures
over
time,
but
the
anticipated
outcomes
are
illustrated
within
the
within
the
matrix
and.
C
L
I
just
have
some
questions
as
long
as
as
far
as
the
measurables
and
stuff.
What
do
we
do
to
protect
ourselves
from
and
that's
why
I
think
it's
important
to
have
ideas
in
place
and
I
cutting
it
loose,
for
example,
and
how
many
other
examples
do
we
have
like
that?
That
I
mean
I'm
not
as
well,
we
did
give
them
money,
and
so.
L
L
So
I
just
want
to
know
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
protect
against
that.
That
is
one
of
my
concerns
and
one
other
question,
because
the
thing
in
here
about
focusing
on
primary
jobs
rather
than
retail.
Does
that
mean
we're
not
focusing
on
retail
at
all?
That
just
means
that
the
economic
development
plan
is
not
focusing
on
retail,
so.
F
I
We're
not
turning
our
back
to
retail,
so
all
of
our
programs
are
open
to
any
business,
including
retail
businesses.
In
fact,
I
would
argue
that
most
of
the
smaller
scale-
businesses
that
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
the
recipients
of
the
to
grant
programs,
the
initiation,
the
acceleration
grants
I'm
guessing
here,
but
I-
would
guess
that
probably
80%
of
them
will
likely
be
retail
businesses.
K
Plant
to
the
issue
of
the
risk
exposure
on
some
of
these
some
of
these
programs.
One
of
the
initiatives
is
to
have
some
consulting
work
done
with
each
of
these
recipients,
with
the
SBDCs,
the
professionals
that
can
do
the
technical
assistance
and
that
in
the
training
and
have
the
one
on
once
in
order
to
give
them
a
leg
up
and
increase
their
chances
of
success.
K
Our
exposure
on
each
of
these
projects
is
less
than
they
were
under
the
commercial
catalyst
program
as
far
as
amounts
contributed,
but
the
idea
would
be
to
give
them
a
leg
up,
but
also
give
them
an
opportunity
to
succeed
by
having
the
technical
assistance
and
professional
advice
provided
by
the
SBDCs,
the
small
business
development
centers,
and
that
in
the
SBA
as
well.
Okay,.
L
I
L
G
Do
you
have
any
statistics
for
I
mean
because
we
have
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
opened
that
don't
ever
access
I
need
this
kind
of
thing
they
come
in?
They
have
a
business
plan,
they
have
people
they're
working
with
they
kind
of
know
what
they're
doing
and
that's
actually
the
vast
majority
of
them.
So
how
many
do
you
think
are
going
to
be
kind
of
in
need
of
something
like
this?
Well.
I
G
K
More
than
I'd
like
to
see
there's
a
fair
number
of
vacancies
up
and
down
the
corridor,
but
we're
seeing
some
of
those
spaces
there's
a
plan
for
some
of
those
spaces.
One
of
our
primary
employers
dig
a
bit
didja
bit.
Excuse
me
is
looking
to
expand
on
the
ground
floor
at
you.
Would
city
city
center
and
also
Qdoba
is
under
construction
to
bring
back
the
space
after
having
a
fire
there.
So
there
are
a
few
vacancies
more
than
I
would
like
to
see
I'm
stretching
adding
wood
parkway
down
towards
the
Kymco
development.
K
G
Would
that
would
help
you
guys
and
then
how
many
some
of
the
economic
gardening
concepts
that
have
been
out
there
as
well,
in
how
many
like
businesses
do
we
have
aside
from
the
medical
district
in
coming
in
in
that
downtown
and
that
corridor
and
city
center?
Are
we
seeing
any
kind
of
grouping
like
that.
K
There
are
a
variety
of
synergies
and
I
think
that
making
it
a
special
place
was
one
of
the
things
I
heard
from
the
Uli
Uli
feedback
and
emphasizing
that
special
place.
Special
businesses
tend
to
locate
within
a
special
place,
so
it'll
draw
a
variety
of
different
types
of
whether
it's
a
restaurant
or
a
retail
or
the
artist.
That's
looking
at
space
so
emphasizing
the
special
place
I
neglected
to
mention
in
my
previous
comments
about
site
selection,
which
was
referenced
in
our
in
our
discussion
earlier.
I.
K
Don't
have
the
statistics
in
my
back
pocket
about
our
vacancy
rate,
but
in
order
to
help
drive
down
that
vacancy
rate
and
increase
our
occupancy
within
the
community,
we
are
trying
to
make
it
easier
to
get
to
that
available
commercial
property
information
within
the
city.
So
that's
the
intent
of
having
that
a
click
away
from
a
business.
G
I
mean
I,
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
have
I've,
had
conversations
on
interest
in
downtown.
But
concern
about
how
we're
going
to
maintain
our
infrastructure
down
there.
As
part
of
that
and
kind
of
would
have
liked
to
have
seen.
That
put
in
here
is
kind
of
a
bit
of
an
accessory
to
it
and
how
we're
taking
care
of
that
after
we
take
care
of
the
businesses.
What
the
overall
business
community
is
not
just
these
10
businesses
that
we're
doing
a
program
for
I.
I
I
G
It's
been
the
plans
for
3
years
and
then
it
seemed
like
there
wasn't
a
plan
to
kind
of
take
care
of
those
businesses,
the
ones
that
are
already
established
and
some
that
are
very
new
trying
to
survive
while
they're
going
through
this-
and
we
didn't
seem
to
have
had
a
plan
in
place
so
how
we
show
that
support
so
that,
once
we
have
a
business
in
there,
they
know
that
they're
not
getting
conversations
from
the
other
businesses
around
that
yeah.
Once
we
have
them
there,
we
don't
support
them
that
we
don't
not
just
support
them.
G
We
don't
have
to
support
them
that
we
keep
the
lights
on,
that
we
do
things
like
temporary
crosswalks
when
we
have
construction
going
on
that
we
maintain
our
property
and
our
parking
lots
and
make
them
safe
things
like
that,
so
that
when
they
see
that
they
go
wow
they're
they
care
so
that
they
can
pony
up
they're
part
of
it
and
we're
doing
our
job
down
there
too.
So
that
we're
maintaining
that
so
appreciate
that.
G
H
You
before
we
move
back
to
councilmember
Olson
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments
or
have
a
couple
questions.
I
guess
appreciate
the
focus
on
jobs.
I
recognize
that
you
know.
Primary
employers
are
probably
the
true
driver
of
economic
development
for
a
community.
However,
I
guess
I,
you
know,
have
concerns
about
capturing
all
the
economic
activity
that
comes
from
primary
jobs,
knowing
that
we're
kind
of
a
landlocked
community
who's
a
smaller
community
again
I
just
worry
that
we
might
not
be
able
to
capture
all
that
economic
activity.
H
For
example,
I
just
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
work
at
a
lot
of
these
primary
job
providers.
Our
necessarily
residents
are
not
necessarily
you
know,
doing
business
or
shopping
in
the
city
of
Englewood
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
matching.
Some
of
those
things
and
I
think
we're
doing
a
good
job.
I
think
that
job
fair,
that
we
had
was
a
wonderful
step
in
the
right
direction,
towards
matching
and
doing
a
better
job
in
matching
and
and
keeping
a
lot
of
that
economic
activity.
H
Local
and
I
think
that's
probably
how
we
ended
up
with
the
focus
of
retail,
specifically
since
we
are
so
reliant
on
sales
and
use
tax
that
sometimes
we're
not
looking
at
the
macro
level.
You
know
of
economic
development,
more
on
the
micro
level
of
our
bottom
line
and
what's
happening
within
our
jurisdiction
and
so
I'm
open
to
the
to
the
shift.
I
just
think
we
just
got
to
keep
that
concept
of
keeping
all
the
economic
activity
local
as
a
concept.
Would
you
agree.
I
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
heard
from
the
work
that
the
economic
or
the
urban
land
institute
folks
did
for
us
last
week
was
growing.
A
job
base
actually
helps
us
diversify
and
become
more
of
a
full-service
community,
because
there
are
very
positive
economic
impacts
from
people
who
do
that
mid
day
spending
and
that
daytime
spending
in
a
community
like
this,
and
so
one
of
their
recommendations
was
to
focus
on
job
development,
because
that
will
bring
the
kind
of
retail
that
will
support
this
place.
I
It
will
support
South
Broadway
and
make
it
less
of
a
kind
of
a
either
a
weekend
or
a
daytime
or
an
evening
that
we're
more
diversified.
We
have
more
activity
throughout
throughout
the
24
hour
period
in
some
of
our
commercial
areas,
and
so
growing
and
additional
job
base
helps
us
do
that,
because
that's
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
lacking
right
now
agreed.
H
And
as
long
as
I
think
we're
conscious
of
that
and
we're
attracting
restaurants
that
the
higher-end
employers,
employees
might
be
attracted
to
we're
providing
housing
that
those
employees
might
be
attracted
to.
You
know
it's
obviously,
all
sort
of
related
together,
so
I
appreciate
that
recognition
and
and
I
am
open
to
the
idea
of
the
focusing
on
jobs
and
trying
to
use
that
as
the
indicator
you
know,
I
saw
the
primary
jobs
incentives
you
know.
I
saw
it
was
like
a
minimum
of
20
jobs
and
a
maximum
of
25,000
grant.
H
I
There's
really
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule,
because
the
the
amount
of
the
grant
or
the
amount
of
the
rebate
would
be
dependent
on
what
there's
planning
to
spend
on
their
space.
And
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
being
business
friendly
and
fairly
efficient
is
if
we
can
administrative
ly
either.
Under
my
signature
or
Eric's
approve
rebates
that
are
less
than
25
thousand
dollars,
then
we're
more
fleet
of
foot
and
getting
people
on
their
way,
the
ones
that
would
exceed
that.
I
We
think
because
it
would
be
a
higher
expenditure
amount
and
frankly,
it
would
not
be
budgeted
that
we
would
bring
those
for
the
council's
consideration
for
you,
as
representatives
of
the
to
have
kind
of
a
one-off
discussion
of
the
special
circumstances.
If
there's
an
employer
that
we
think
would
have
a
significant
economic
impact
to
the
community
that
we
want
to
bring
those
to
you,
whether
it's
20
jobs
or
19
jobs
or
50
jobs,
it's
really
not
dependent
on
a
specific
number.
I
We
are
going
to
ask
folks,
though,
to
bring
as
many
as
possible
under
these
various
categories,
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
pay
a
decent
wage.
We
think
that's
important
to
not
have
these
be
entry-level
or
minimum-wage
jobs
that
they're
actually
going
to
contribute
in
a
way
for
people
to
be
able
to
live
here
as
well
as
to
work
here
and
we're
not
going
to
require
folks
to
hire
people
from
Englewood,
because
our
employment
shed
is,
you
know,
metro
wide,
if
not
statewide,
but
we
are
gonna.
I
Ask
people
to
take
a
look
at
people
who
live
here,
so
we
can
get
more
of
our
more
of
our
residents
employed
in
the
community
and
contributing
that
way
terms
of
the
health
and
vitality
of
the
community.
We're
not
gonna
require
it,
but
we're
gonna
ask
them
to
take
a
good
hard
look
at
folks
from
Englewood
for
these
programs.
I
appreciate.
H
That
you
know
I,
guess
I'm,
just
asking
you
maybe
to
think
about
it
or
flush
it
out
a
little
bit
more
I
think
the
more
guidance
given
to
the
public
on
you
know
what
type
of
range
per
employee
is
helpful.
You
know
honestly
I,
don't
even
really
have
my
arms
around
what's
a
reasonable
amount
per
employee,
but
you
know
just
just
some
additional
thought
or
guidance
to
the
public
on
on
what
the
program
might
be
was.
Is
my.
I
Mayor
I
can
just
say
that
when
we
develop
our
business
our
if,
if
the
program
is
adopted
next
week,
we're
going
to
spend
the
last
two
months
of
this
year,
fleshing
out
the
specific
details
and
we'll
put
those
numbers
in
there
in
terms
of
this
is
our
our
median
wage.
This
is
what
we'd
be
looking
at
and
in
providing
a
little
bit
more
definition
around
what
is
a
primary
job,
so
people
are
not
confused
by
that.
Thank.
H
You
for
that
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
as
we
move
more
and
I
know.
This
is
not
a
finished
product
yet
so
it's
a
work
in
progress
here
and
the
big
program.
The
initiating
program
I,
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
that
I
think
I
just
heard
you
say
it
would
only
impact
10
businesses,
correct
I,
guess
I
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
it,
only
impacting
10
and
how
we
would
go
about
selecting
or
do
that.
H
I
worry
also
about
the
ROI
on
startups
rather
than
continuing
and
existing
businesses,
and
so
I
prefer
probably
to
spend
some
of
our
resources
and
that
for
business
startups
more
on
resources
and
training
rather
than
grant
monies.
Maybe
that's
just
a
you
know
my
personal
perspective
on
that.
Given
the
you
know,
percentage
of
new
businesses
that
fail-
and
you
know
trying
to
get
the
heart-
the
largest
bang
for
our
buck,
so
to
speak
as
an
organization.
Obviously,
I
want
to
be
supportive
of
those
startups,
but
again
just
recognizing
the
economic
reality.
I
One
of
the
things
that
we
will
do
in
terms
of
the
grants
for
those
folks
who
are
who
are
looking
to
start
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
it,
as
is
kind
of
a
sweetener,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
have
conversations
with
businesses
is.
Are
they
considering
multiple
locations?
Are
they
considering
another
jurisdiction
and
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
kind
of
help
them
get
over
the
hump
with
that
startup
grant?
And
they
come
here?
That's
one
of
the
motivations
for
us
to
do
that,
and.
H
That's
awesome,
and
maybe
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
target
you
know
more
of
that,
you
know,
rather
than
just
making
it
a
blanket
sort
of
startup
type
of
a
program
that
might
be
more
attractive
to
me
personally,
as
far
as
the
SBDC
providing
training
and
other
opportunities
for
our
local
businesses,
how
will
that
be
provided
or
how
will
that
be
branded
to
our
local
businesses?
Will
that
be
the
aurora
SBDC,
providing
that
here
in
Englewood,
or
will
that
be
rebranded
here
locally
to
show
reflect?
You
know
our
resources,
involvement.
K
So
we
will
have
a
presence
on
the
shared
presence
on
each
website
with
the
they
are
called
air
or
a
South
Metro
SBDC
small.
But
that's
the
legal
name
of
the
entity.
They're
our
brand
and
their
brand
will
be
on
our
website
and
vice
versa.
So
we
will
be
cross
branding
I!
Guess
that's
the
right
word,
but
the
resources
that
they
bring
to
the
table
are
significant.
The
technical
expertise
that
they
bring
to
the
table
is
very
significant
and
I.
Think
we'll
see
that,
with
some
of
the
outcomes
that'll
be
derived
from
this
and
I.
H
Have
no
doubt
that
they're,
a
very
appropriate
partner
for
us
I've
just
again
trying
to
be
conscious
of
how
we're
branding
this
to
our
local
businesses?
Are
they
getting
these
resources
from
Aurora
or
these
getting
these
resources
from
our
community
here
in
Englewood
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
some
recognition
of
our
our
monies
being
put
into
this
program
and
perhaps
how
we're
branding
that
and
presenting
that
to
our
local
businesses
should
be
given
some
thought.
That's
a
consideration
of
mine.
A
K
K
A
K
Live
soon
well,
so
the
question
was:
if
there's
looking
for
available
spaces
now,
that's
that's
a
phone
call
away
right
now,
we'll
light
that,
hopefully,
in
the
next
two
weeks
with
our
we've
already
reached
an
agreement
with
for
the
for
this
service
and
that'll
that'll,
go
live
very
very
soon.
In
fact,
we're
in
beta
testing,
as
we
speak
about
81
commercial
properties
are
listed
on
that
site.
So
great.
A
K
One
business
initiation
grant
will
be
a
resource
coupled
with
that
with
the
technical
assistance
with
the
SBDC.
These
are
many
in
many
ways
intertwined.
Hopefully,
the
resource
of
this
the
enterprise
zone
also
will
be
a
benefit
to
businesses,
starting
up
so
you're,
seeing
some
over
overlap
and
that's
a
good
thing
when
they,
when
businesses
can
take
advantage
of
several
several
parts
of
the
you
know,
the
the
program.
I
A
You
thought
about,
or
other
communities
done,
any
sort
of
mentoring
circles
of
new
business
owners
where
they
actually
share
and
then
have
maybe
those
who
have
been
out
into
it
for
a
few
years
and
are
successful
as
sort
of
a
non
expensive
way
to
actually
help.
People
I
know
that
that's
part
of
what
we're
finding
in
research
is
that
it
really
helps
to
be
around
people.
It
doesn't
need
to
cost
very
much
we're.
K
Seeing
that,
through
the
emerging
Leaders
program,
there's
20
peers
sitting
around
the
table,
Tuesday
there'll
be
another
session
here,
where
they're
connecting
peer
to
peer,
we're
hoping
that
that'll
also
exist
with
the
SBDC
resources,
as
they
do
training
the
as
they
do
their
training
and
other
interactions
that
they'll
develop
a
peer
network
that
they
can
carry
into
their
careers
and
into
their
businesses
and
and
draw
on
those
those
connections.
Yeah.
F
A
A
This
is
more
a
little
different
than
that,
though,
I
think
you're,
really
sitting
and
thinking
together
and
going
through
problem-solving
and
sharing
across
those
would
be
really
really
helpful.
The
other
thing
I
think
that
Joe
mentioned
the
capture
of
employees,
which
it's
been
a
big
deal
for
me
for
the
last
few
meetings.
I
keep
mentioning
this.
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
I
mean
other
than
having
them
hire
people
from
Englewood?
A
There
are
going
to
be
lots
of
people
still
coming
into
the
city
where
we
help
them
with
these
new
employees
to
get
oriented
to
what's
here,
what's
available
for
their
own
needs
and
services
to
say
before
they
go
home,
stop
at
the
Kings
servers.
Things
like
that
are
there
other
approaches
that
cities
have
use
like
that
to
try
and
capture
I
mean
we're
one
of
those
sandwiched
and
have
we
don't
have
what
everybody
wants
either,
but
we
certainly
have
food
so.
K
Resource
guide:
we
hope
that
people
will
take
that
scratch
that
second
level
and
reach
to
our
chambers,
reach
to
our
other
partners
within
the
community
to
to
engage
I,
know,
there's
a
dining
guide
that
the
chamber
has.
We
distribute
that
we
don't
have
that
access
online,
but
we
got
that
as
a
click
away.
So
that's
the
second.
Second,
click
from
the
city's
website
will
be
towards
the
dining
guide
and
we
hope
that
that
patrons
take
it.
Take
that
look
a
little
bit
further
with
within
the
business
community
about
dining
shopping,
new.
A
Employee
guide
that
everybody
I
had
just
heard
someone
new
and
I
thought
be
great
if
they
got
a
little
packet
that
says:
here's
all
the
things
in
Englewood
welcome
to
our
community
glad
you're
working
here,
something
simple
that
says
here
the
map
of
things.
You
know
we're
so
small
and
be
easy:
yeah
I
mean!
Maybe
we
need
to
do
it
with
everybody
and
then
my
last
one
would
be
the
cry.
A
So
when
you
bring
these
cases
back
to
us
that
you're
in
a
need
our
input
on,
can
we
make
sure
that
we
have
there
talked
through
beforehand
or
you
give
us
some
ideas
of
criteria?
You
want
us
to
think
through
to
help
make
that
decision,
rather
than
just
kind
of
come
in
with
a
blanket
like,
oh
I,
don't
know,
I
like
this
person,
Thank
You.
G
G
You
do
have
an
inventory
of
the
open
spaces,
I
mean
if
you
know
how
many
there
are,
then
you
know
where
they
are
so
you,
if
you
could
provide
that.
I'd
appreciate
that,
because
I
assume
that
so
you're
gonna
put
that
on
the
website.
So
maybe
I
didn't
ask
the
question
right
before
and
in
for
what
councilmember
Martinez
brought
up
and
how
we
measure
this.
How
many?
How
many
businesses
do
we
have
currently
in
Englewood,
because
we
don't
know
if
we
increase
unless
we
know
how
many
we
currently
have.
K
G
G
A
B
I'd
probably
say:
there's
easily
a
third
more
of
businesses
that
exist
in
England,
but
we
don't
know
about
because
there's
a
lot
of
licenses
that
aren't
required
at
the
city
level,
so
I
have
to
say
that
the
way
you're
having
this
organized
the
educational
part
of
this
I
think
is
huge.
I
know
many
years
ago
and
I
started
my
first
business.
B
That
would
have
been
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
help
being
able
to
get
that
business
plan
put
together
on
a
piece
of
paper
in
a
coherent
way,
instead
of
trying
to
run
out,
run
it
from
a
notepad
and
what
I'm
thinking
in
the
back
of
my
head
so
I.
Thank
you
for
putting
this
program
together
and
I.
Think
we'll
have
some
good
success
out
of
it.
I
H
G
G
There
there,
my
I'm,
seeing
a
little
bit
of
some
conceiving
some
concern
and
some
possible
disconnect
on
some
steps
that
we
might
be
taking
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
council
has
an
opportunity
to
discuss
whether
this
is
about
how
we
want
to
handle.
What's
going
on
with
that
mid-block
crossing,
whether
we
do
a
temporary
and
how
we're
handle
in
this
situation
down
there.
So
I
just
want
to
make.
H
M
D
The
mid-block
crossing
again,
we
don't
want
to
do,
go
forward
with
a
project
that
is
going
to
be
an
impediment
to
these
businesses
during
the
holiday
season,
and
so
a
matter
of
fact.
I
just
met
with
Steve
hours
on
Friday
afternoon,
and
he
asked
that
we
consider
not
doing
the
mid-block
crossing
temporarily.
D
Steve
Howard's
he's
the
owner
of
The
Odd,
Fellows
building
and
he's
suggested
in
his
and
again
I.
Don't
think
he
was
speaking
for
all
the
businesses,
but
he
thought
it
would
be
perhaps
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
to
not
construct
a
temporary
crossing
right
away
that
would
inhibit
or
interfere
with
the
business
community
during
this
holiday
season.
That's
coming
up.
He
said:
if
you're
going
to
do
construction,
do
it
once
and
do.
D
D
G
G
D
He
wasn't,
but
we
also
heard
from
another
business
on
the
east
side
to
us
on
the
east
side
that
says:
hey,
we
don't
want
to
be
interrupted,
you
know
multiple
times
either,
and
so
that's
something
that
staff
mr.
power
and,
more
specifically
mr.
Henderson
and
Public
Works,
it's
gonna
have
to
way
with
counsels
input,
as
well
as
to
whether
we
go
forward
with
that
construction
right
now
or
are
we
waiting.
D
G
G
H
You
any
for
anything
further
on
this.
Seeing
none.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
For
presenting
this
evening,
we
move
on
to
agenda
item
2,
which
is
accessory
dwelling
unit
discussion.
Community
development,
director
Brad
power
again
back
in
planner
level
to
John
Vogel
will
be
present
to
discuss
accessory
dwelling
units
good
evening,
good.
M
All
right,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
this
evening.
Council
I'd
like
to
basically
do
three
things
here
this
evening.
The
first
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
paint
a
little
bit
of
a
picture
for
you
of
what
accessory
dwelling
units,
what
we're
talking
about,
and
it
would
give
a
little
bit
of
history
of
England's
experience
with
accessory
dwelling
units.
Secondly,
then
I'd
like
to
give
a
brief
report
on
planning
and
zoning
Commission's
progress
studying
accessory
dwelling
units-
and
the
third
thing
I
would
like
to
do
is
I
have
three
different
questions.
M
M
Typically,
they
can
be
above
garages
or
they
can
be
a
standalone
unit.
Typically,
at
the
back
of
the
lot
recently,
we
have
had
a
PUD
approved
they'll,
be
residences,
Logan
and
Floyd,
and
those
have
come
out
of
the
ground
and
those
are
garage
on
top
of
garage
units
and,
if
you'd
like
to
go,
if
you
haven't
seen
them
I
would
encourage
you
to
go.
Take
a
look
and
see
what
you
think
logan
in
floyd,
the.
M
You
don't
see
very
many
of
the
typically
this
map
right
here.
This
map
will
kind
of
show
you
where
these
are
located
in
the
city
and,
as
you
can
see,
they
are
typically
either
four
blocks
one
way
or
the
other
from
Broadway
kind
of
in
the
older
parts
of
town
and
typically
more
clustered
towards
the
downtown.
M
F
M
M
M
M
So
I
want
to
kind
of
explain
the
approach
that
staff
recommended
to
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
in
terms
of
where
we
might
want
to
allow
a
to
use.
So
we
started
out
with
identifying
multi-unit
residential
zones,
so
these
are
like
mu,
R,
3,
B,
mu,
R,
3
a
are
to
a
and
are
to
be
zones,
and
they
these
zones
already
allow
for
duplexes
or
apartments,
and
so
we
thought.
Well.
M
That's
that's
a
no-brainer
for
those
zones
to
allow
them
there,
and
then
we
also
decided
to
pitch
also
allowing
them
in
the
R
1
C
zone,
it's
a
single-family
zone
and
based
on-
and
we
did
this
primarily
based
on
where
these
are
located
in
the
city
today,
and
there
are
quite
a
few
of
them
that
are
located
in
r1
C.
In
addition
to
the
multi-unit
residential
zones,.
F
M
So
we
based
on
the
relative
lack
of
these
properties
in
the
our
1a
and
our
1b
zone
districts.
We
decided
that
maybe
it
might
be
best
to
not
allow
those
for
today
in
those
zone
districts
and
to
kind
of
see
how
this
would
play
out
in
the
r1
see
see
how
it
goes
for
a
while,
and
if
there
was
more
later
on.
If
people
came
to
us
and
said
we
really
would
like
them
in
our
1a
and
I
want
to
be.
We
could
reconsider
that
at
that
time,.
M
M
Now
the
thing
with
owner
occupancy
requirements
is
that
you
could
have
it
for
all
ad
use
and
at
any
part
of
the
city
or
you
could
opt
to
say,
we
would
only
have
owner
occupancy
requirements
in
maybe
the
r1c
zone
district
and
then
in
the
multi-unit
residential
districts.
Then
it
would
be
open
for
investors
as
well,
so
that
that's
a
something,
an
option
that
you
could
consider.
M
So
at
this
time.
My
third
thing
that
I'd
like
to
do
is
pose
these
three
questions
that
I
have
for
Council
and
the
first
question
is
this
council
want
us
to
continue
to
go
forward
with
this
even
before
the
comprehensive
plan
is
approved
and
keep
working
on
the
ad
you
issue,
or
do
you
want
us
to
wait
until
the
comprehensive
plan
is
approved
and
pick
it
up
later?
So
that's
the
first
question.
M
The
second
question
is:
how
does
council
feel
what's
their
comfort
level,
with
this
proposal
that
we've
laid
out
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
as
in
terms
of
where
these
should
be
allowed?
Are
you
comfortable
with
with
that
option
that
we
just
laid
out
for
you
there
and
then?
Thirdly,
how
do
you
feel
about
owner
occupancy
requirements?
M
H
H
So
I'm,
supportive
of
this,
an
R
2
and
mu
R
three
zone
districts,
as
staff
I
think
has
pointed
out.
I'm,
not
sure
that
there
needs
to
be
an
occupancy
requirement.
There
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
much
more
diligent
in
our
consideration
of
our
ones.
Own
districts
and
I
am
not
so
sure,
where
I'm
at
on
that,
I
would
like
to
get
some
more
feedback
from
the
community
on
that
and
I
do
think.
H
M
I
did
do
something
like
that.
I
do
a
little
bit
of
exercise
where
I
take
the
Assessors
data
and
I
match
their
situs
address
and
their
the
mailing
address
for
the
property
tax
bill,
and
that
gives
you
a
reasonable
idea
of
how
many
are
rentals
and
actually
the
majority,
not
a
private.
It's
probably
out
55,
45,
I'd,
say
55%
see,
have
the
same
address.
Okay,.
C
H
A
C
M
C
M
M
C
I'm
just
curious,
well,
I
can
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
how
many
you
know
if
we
allow
additional
accessory
dwelling
units
and
they're
gonna
be
more
renters
than
those
I
just
want
to
give
an
idea
of
accessory
dwelling
units
versus
apartments.
How
many
we
already
have
cuz.
We
already
have
a
lot
of
apartment
units.
Oh
I
was
just
yes.
C
H
B
Yes,
I
think
we
should
continue
to
work
on
this
plan.
There's
been
quite
a
few
folks
that
have
been
outside
of
the
r-1
district.
That
is
they're
interested
in
doing
something
like
this,
and
some
of
them
are
actually
commercial
property,
but
they
can't
really
do
anything
with
it,
just
simply
because,
where
they're
sitting
so
I
think
it'd
be
in
the
best
interest
to
continue.
My
comfort
level
with
this
whole
process
is
good.
B
It
isn't
great,
but
it's
good,
so
I'm
kind
of
middle-of-the-road
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
our
1c
I,
wouldn't
have
really
too
many
problems
with
accessory
dwellings.
As
long
as
it's
owner-occupied
I
happen
to
live
in
a
r1c
area,
and
as
is,
we
do
have
enough
rentals
on
the
blocks
and
we,
you
know
and
I
just
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
with
it.
M
M
M
G
I,
appreciate,
Joe,
remember
in
that,
because,
especially
with
housing
and
and
I
think
it
came
up
in
the
vein
of
a
lot
of
families
trying
to
deal
with
and
the
conversation
coming
up
about
older
people.
They
don't
have
a
place
to
go
that
narrative
that
keeps
getting
thrown
around
all
over,
that
they
don't
have
a
town
house
and
then
and
have
a
condo
and
that
some
communities
had
looked
at.
This
is
a
way
for
somebody
to
be
able
to
keep
an
aging
parent
on
their
own
property
and
have
them
still
be
independent.
B
L
L
We're
allowed
I
mean
right
now,
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
r2
and
the
ones
that
you've
already
mentioned.
I
do
I
have
gotten
some
feedback
from
some
of
my
constituents
and
they
really
want
them
to
be
owner-occupied,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
homes
in
Inglewood
then
are
not
being
taken
care
of
because
they're
rentals,
and
they
don't
want
this
to
exacerbate
that
problem.
L
B
I
just
want
to
emphasize
when
I
talked
about
r1c
and
I,
say
owner-occupied
I'm,
not
thinking
that
you
can
put
it
up
and
then
rent
it
out,
but
there's
been
more
than
once.
I
would
have
loved
to
set
up
a
garage
office
on
my
lot
and
I
can't
do
that.
Currently
it
has
to
be
attached
to
the
home.
So
when
it
comes
to
r1c.
B
It's
its
single
I,
don't
know
how
to
explain
it
properly,
but
basically
single
family,
not
not
multiple,
not
like
a
owner-occupied
and
rental
but
owner-occupied.
If
mom
needs
to
move
in,
then
they
can
occupy
the
Arwa
accessory
dwelling
unit
or
a
family
member.
You
know
some
sort
of
restriction
that
they're,
basically
family.
You
know
it's
a
family
situation.
It's
not
a
revenue
issue
does.
H
B
H
B
Would
consider
that
as
the
ordinance?
Yes,
you
know
one
and
I
keep
on
going
back
to
that,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
designate
this
is
that
you
know
you
can
have
basically
well
they'd
all
have
to
be
related
somehow
or
jest
of
not
a
renter,
but
a
guest
of
the
owner
and
I.
Don't
know
how.
H
You
designate
that
I
say
owner-occupied,
you
know
our
occupancy
standard.
Is
you
know
what
no
more
than
three
related
folks
unrelated?
Yes,
thank
you.
You
can
have
as
many
related
folks
as
you
want.
Apparently
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
We'll
go
continue
with
the
round
robin
council.
My
role,
ISM
I,
think.
A
A
M
A
A
F
M
A
H
H
A
I
would
prefer
to
go
really
slow
on
this
and
I
would
rather
it
be
owner
occupied
with
the
opportunity
rent
out
the
other,
but
I
think
in
our
one.
A
r1b
and
I
think
I'd
need
to
get
more
interested
from
from
r1c
of
whether
or
not
we
should
have
I
think
our
1a
and
our
1b
should
be
off
the
table
for
now
until
we
test
it
out
of
it
more
but
I'm
concerned
about
our
1c.
In
that
it
seems
like
we
have
a
lot
of
areas
where
we
can
already
do
this.
A
If
we
go
with
the
r1
to
aid
B
and
mu,
R,
3a
and
3b,
that's
a
lot
of
area
that
I
think
is
already
open
to
multiple
dwellings
that
people
are
upset
about,
and
this
would
offset
that.
That's
where
that's
happening,
I
think
so.
The
other
thing
I
would
want
for
information
on
r1
a
B
and
C
would
be
how
many
requests
have
we
gotten
within
each
one
of
those
to
do
this,
where
we've
had
to
turn
them
down
like
we're
talking
about
big
numbers
or
just
one
here,
one
there.
M
A
M
Yes,
yes,
r1a,
there's,
probably
three
or
four
people
that
were
interested
in
it
and
they're.
The
vast
majority
on
our
list
are
our
owners
of
r1c
properties.
There
was
also
some
r2
and
hires
own
district
interests
as
well,
and
then
there's
AB
list
of
investors
who
don't
own
property
yet,
but
are
interested.
A
I
would
really
like
to
stabilize
neighborhoods
and
I
would
prefer
to
be
helping
neighbors
keep
their
neighborhood
stable
rather
than
developers
redevelop
it
when
that's
not
been
what
neighbors
have
wanted,
and
so
that
would
be
my
caveat.
I
want
to
see
it
happen
where
we
can
keep
stability
in
neighborhoods,
but
not
have
people
come
in
and
develop
and
then
rent
out
the
whole
thing,
because
now
they've,
so
that's
what
makes
me
nervous
about
it.
I
don't
know
if
others
think
the
same,
but
I
we
I
think
we
should
keep
moving
forward
to
figure
it
out.
H
A
A
A
H
A
C
C
H
M
A
section
of
the
copper
he
has
a
plan
that
has
those
neighborhood
neighborhood
areas
and
they
have
the
they
have
maps,
and
there
there
are,
you
know
on
some
of
those
neighborhoods.
They
have
identified
these
transition
areas
that
could
be
might
be.
Candidates
for
zoning
type
changes
to
be
considered.
C
C
H
Have
to
live
in
one
ok,
so
you
wouldn't
you'd,
be
allowing
a
accessory
dwelling
units,
an
R,
2
and
mu
R
3,
again
we're
already
kind
of
allowing
density
and
keeping
a
rock
upin
C
restriction
on
them.
Thank
you
and
councilmember
Yates
here
at
the
same
spot,
correct.
They
have
to
live
in
one
right,
even
an
R,
2
and
mu
R
3
in.
F
B
On
a
lot,
but
are
yes
owner,
occupancy
I
think
would
be
a
good
way
to
keep
the
stability
in
the
community
allow
for
that
growth
that
is
needed,
and,
frankly,
hopefully
we
can
retain
some
more
families
within
our
community
instead
of
having
folks
moving
out
and
saying.
Well,
you
know
just
not
enough
room.
B
G
Currently,
right
now
to
what
councilmember
Martinez
said,
she
said
she
would
like
it
to
keep
it
legal.
You
know,
keep
it
where
they're
already
able
to
do
them
and
if
I
understood
you
correctly,
we
nobody
is
allowed
to
do
them
currently
that
these
are
all
of
these
dots
on
here
have
been
turned
into
non-conforming
use,
so
it
isn't
actually
allowed
anywhere.
G
Causes
I
mean
it
does
cause
some
problems,
because
if
people
do
things
with
those
properties,
then
that
I
mean
there's
restrictions
on
there,
and
so
we
we.
We
do
cause
some
some
concerns
when
we
allow
something
then
unalaq
and
forth
with
it.
I
do
have
anywhere
where
somebody
isn't
living,
because
I
have
a
question
about
what
councilmember
Yates
brought
up.
G
G
M
E
G
E
E
G
E
G
Don't
know
what's
in
there
there's
not
women
allowed,
including
his
wife,
and
she
don't
want
to
go
in
there.
So
it's
okay,
yeah,
it
I,
don't
think
a
car
has
ever
been
in
there,
but
I.
Don't
I,
don't
I
don't
want
to
go
in
there,
so
the
the
properties
that
you
have
listed
and
district
3
I
would
like
the
addresses
for
them,
because
I'm
a
little
I'd
like
to
chime
in
on
a
little
bit
more
in-depth
of
what
I
would
like
to
do,
but
I'm
a
little
confused
on
some
of
these.
G
What
if
we
pass
this
all
these
200,
some
odd
units
would
come
under
whatever
deal
we
go
ahead
and
that
we
would
end
up
making
them
apparently
conforming
accessory
dwelling
units
and
since
you're
already
considering
him
and
identifying
them
as
that
type
of
as
a
a
to
you,
I
would
like
to
see
exactly
what
you're
identifying
for
that,
because
I'm
not
I'm
not
seeing
it
for
some
of
these,
so
if
I
could
get
that
at
least
for
some
of
these,
then
I
could
get
a
better
idea.
Maybe
the
visual
experience
will
help
me
a
little.
H
H
B
B
A
lot
of
these
accessory
dwellings
within
our
community
I've,
seen
quite
a
few
of
them
and
and
they're
really
good,
fair
share
of
them
are
substandard.
Oh
yeah,
you
have
foundations,
or
maybe
even
just
a
slab
poured
on
on
the
ground
and
they're
sitting
below
the
current
water
level.
So
when
we
have
heavy
rains
they
flood
out
and
and
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
if
this
gets
changed
out,
so
it
becomes,
you
know
you
can
rent
these
things
out.
Does
that
change?
B
B
You
know
you
can
tell,
as
you
drive
by
that,
there's
a
little
electrical
box
on
the
side,
but
you
know
it's
either
fuses
or
no
main
power.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
existing
ones,
purely
because
of
when
they
were
built.
You
know
so
allowing
the
new
stuff.
We
would
get.
Obviously
current
codes,
but
you
know
there's
a
little
concern
about
you
know
is
this
more
than
a
garage.
You
know
that
has
a
door
on
it:
yeah
I,
guess
I
yeah.
E
Think
it
would
be
up
to
council
to
determine
whether
or
not
existing
ad
use
would
have
to
be
brought
up
to
current
standards.
The
building
code
applies
to
new
construction,
not
existing,
but
we
do
have
a
residential
code
that
that
could
apply
to
those.
So
if
there
is
an
interest
on
councils
part
to
bring
those
existing
ones
up
to
a
minimum
standard,
then
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
an
ordinance
that
would
allow
ad
use.
B
If
the
unit
is
a
rental,
I
think
that
might
be
a
reasonable
thing
to
look
at
and
you
got
to
face.
You
have
a
look
on.
You
know
because
we're
putting
we're
putting
people's
lives
in
there.
You
know
they're,
renting
the
space
thinking
it's
safe.
I
walked
through
one
about
a
year
ago
and
is
like
oh,
my
gosh.
You
know
and
they're
renting
they've
been
renting
it
to
this
person
for
five
years,
but
it
was
nothing
more
than
a
dog
house.
You
know.
H
Yeah
I
think
point
being
made.
You
know
these
grandfather
structures
are
still
driving
a
fair
amount
of
revenue
for
folks
who
are
using
them,
and
so
the
idea
of
you
know,
scraping
them
and
not
being
able
to
rebuild
them
is
not
very
attractive
from
a
you
know,
a
profit
motive,
sort
of
standpoint,
I
didn't.
H
L
Okay,
I
do
believe
that
we
should
go
ahead
and
allow
them
in
the
r2
area
in
the
MU
are
three
a
and
B
and
I.
Also
I
do
want
to
stick
with
owner-occupied
to
control
the
amount
of
rentals.
Now
that
doesn't
buy,
that's
according
to
the
definition
that
we've
received,
one
of
the
dwellings
has
to
be
occupied
by
the
owner,
the
other
one
can
be
rental.
Thank.
H
A
A
H
A
H
E
I
think
what
one
thing
that
council
could
do
is
place
a
time
limit
on
those
units
before
they
have
to
be
brought
up
to
code,
because
it
would
be,
it
could
be
a
financial
burden
on
somebody
if
they
have.
Perhaps
it
was
a
garage
at
one
point
that
was
converted
into
a
living
unit
that
you
know
as
satisfactory
up
to
a
point
but
doesn't
meet
current
codes.
E
If
you
were
to
impose
a
rental
inspection
program,
you
might
provide
for
a
year
or
some
amount
of
time
within
which
that
that
unit
would
have
to
be
brought
up
to
code
or
you
know
by
by
a
date
certain.
That's
that's
one
option
we'll
explore
a
number
of
options
that
might
be
available
if
councils
interested
in
providing
some
direction
in
terms
of
bringing
those
existing
a
to
use
up
to
minimum
standard.
H
We're
bringing
up
a
totally
different
topic
of
you,
know,
rental
inspections
and
and
whether
or
not
we
want
to
try
to
implement
something
like
that
and
I.
Think
that
if
the
majority
of
council
would
like
to
weigh
in
and
begin
to
have
that
conversation,
that's
something
that
Mayor
Pro,
Tem
and
and
the
manager
and
I
can
schedule.
H
F
H
F
B
It
comes
to
I
mean
when
it
comes
to
these
units.
If
these
are
income
properties,
you
know
I,
think
a
year
is
probably
too
short
for
a
lot
of
these
folks,
but
if
we
extend
that
period
out,
I
really
you
know
the
two
that
have
gone
through.
They
had
mold
because
of
flooding.
They
were
electrical
was
literally
scary.
B
B
These
other
places
I
mean
it's,
it's
basically
the
same
thing
and
the
folks
that
they
were
renting
to
were
not
as
bad
as
the
folks
on
on
Broadway.
But
you
know
if
you're
paying
somebody
600
or
$1,000
a
month,
I
think
you
should
have
some
protections
as
to
the
quality
of
environment
that
you're
renting
you
know,
and
in
these
small
houses.
You
know
we're
talking
we're
talking
three
circuits
or
electrical.
Maybe
four,
you
know,
so
it
isn't
a
huge
burden
plumbing.
E
H
A
H
And
again,
I've
heard
you
know
it
councilman
Martinez,
if
you'd
like
to
weigh
in
perhaps
that
could
split
our
consensus,
but
right
now
again,
I've
heard
three
members
who
say
they're
not
interested
in
having
that
conversation
at
this
time
so
and
if
councilman
Martinez
is
in
favor,
then
we
can
at
a
later
date
ask
Mayor
Pro
Tem
Jill
at
where
he
stands
on
this
position
and
figure
out
whether
or
not
we
want
to
go
down
that
rabbit
hole.
So
to
speak.
If.
F
G
If,
if
we're
gonna
open
this
all
up
to
start
inspecting
places,
then
I
don't
want
the
a
to
use
at
all,
I
mean
you've
got
non-conforming
units
that
you
have
rightly
and
I.
Think
articulately
brought
up
several
times
during
this
conversation
would
probably
go
ahead
and
do
something
with
that
property
if
they
could
go
ahead
and
replace
the
units,
but
since
they
were
made
non-conforming
units,
they
don't
have
the
same
rights
on
those
properties
as
they
did
when
they
originally
did
it.
G
So,
aside
from
the
anecdotal
things
from
councilmember
Yates
going
through
to
open
the
door
up
to
lead
this
discussion
and
to
opening
and
down
up
down
this
other
path
is
quite
honestly,
why
I
believe
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
things
done,
we're
talking
about
the
accessory
dwelling
units
and
all
of
a
sudden.
We
end
up
having
this
conversation
and
we're
going
to
start
inspecting,
but
only
if
they're
a
to
use
then
now
I'm
thinking
that
a
lot
of
these
200
people
would
go
hell
with
you.
G
I
don't
want
to
become
one
if
you're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
putting
these
other
restrictions.
That
I
didn't
think
was
even
part
of
this
conversation,
so
no
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
the
ad
use.
If
we
start
opening
this
up,
I
do
agree
with
what
you
had
brought
up
previously,
and
that
is
that
when
you
take
a
non-conforming
property
where
they
have
such
restrictions
and
I
would
appreciate
I,
don't
think
Harold
not
to
be
critical,
but
you
didn't
answer
the
question.
G
The
question
was
and
I
hope
you
bring
to
the
table
some
information
on
exactly
what
restrictions
happen
to
a
property
when
they
become
a
non-conforming
use
would
be
more
helpful
to
find
out
rather
than
the
options
of
what
we
can
start
doing
to
rental
properties.
And
then
we
can
see
whether
how
this
may
promote
some
energy
going
on
with
these
200
units.
If
we
just
made
them
just
unmade
them,
non-conforming.
F
G
They
that
they
did
allow
them,
then
they
made
them
non-conforming
properties,
I,
assume
hoping
that
they
would
eventually
go
away
because
of
the
additional
restrictions
that
are
on
them.
So
if
we
take
those
additional
restrictions
off,
like
you,
I
believe
that
there
would
be
some
some
energy
going
on,
because
they
would
maintain.
They
wouldn't
be
giving
up
that
that
income
that
property,
that
additional,
that
additional
wealth
that
they
have
on
that
property
because
of
what
what
it
is
of
them.
G
L
Actually
agree
with
what
you
had
shared
and
what
councilmember
Barrentine
has
shared
and
the
other
thing
is:
if
we
go
down
this
road,
there
is
no
place
it's
going
to
stop,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
start
inspecting
people
that
buy
homes
in
Inglewood
that
are
rentals
and
so
I
think
we
should
just
stick
to
what
we
were
sticking
to
tonight.
If
we,
if
we
go
on
I,
agree,
I,
don't
want
to
go
ahead
with
ad
use
because
it's
just
creating
other
issues.
L
H
G
H
A
New,
ok
there,
what
I'm,
what
I'm
most
interested
in
is
helping
people
be
able
to
change
what
they
have
in
a
positive
way.
If
they've
been
limited
because
of
the
past
way
in
which
the
nonconformity
rules
have
heard
them,
then,
as
we
go
forward
with
its
other
ATU
I
think
we
should
try
and
help
rather
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
inspect
to
believe
you
know
to
make
it
difficult
for
that
I.
Don't
then,
let's
take
that
off
the
table?
What
can
we
do
to
help
incentivize
and
thank.
B
H
I
appreciate
that-
and
you
know,
I
would
appreciate
some
information
from
staff,
perhaps
for
some
understanding
about
where
that
line
is
between
renovating
a
property
and
having
to
bring
it
up
to
code
and
perhaps
there's
some
relief
that
we
could
provide.
If
we,
if
we
moved
forward
with
just
our
1
and
M,
you
are
three:
perhaps
we
could
think
about
you
know
what
could
happen
in
our
1.
That
would
allow
some
of
those
people
to
improve
some
of
those
properties
without
having
to
rebuild
them
up
to
new
code.
H
A
F
E
D
H
B
H
H
I
I
I
H
You
for
that
intro
and
a
roadmap
of
where
we're
heading
on
this
I
agree.
Once
we
finish
these
goals
and
objectives,
you
know
we
will
take
a
last
look
and
say:
is
there
something
else
the
council
wants
to
evaluate
and
let's
bring
it
forward
for
a
public
hearing,
as
pointed
out,
goal
learned
for
is
promote
recycling
and
adaptive,
reuse
of
waste
materials
and
structures.
I
will
not
read
all
of
the
objectives
under
there,
but
I'm
going
to
open
up
for
comments
regarding
goal
learned
for
as
well
as
objectives
learn
4.1
through
4.6
at
this
time.
H
C
H
It
is
going
to
be
learned:
five
promote
conservation
of
energy
and
improve
air
quality
for
city
operations
and
residents
and
businesses
in
Englewood
I'm
not
going
to
lean,
read
the
objectives,
learn
one
five
point,
one
through
five
point:
five,
but
I'll
open
up
for
comments
at
this
time.
That's
where
Martinez.
C
H
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
any
issue
with
the
language
as
proposed,
seeing
none
I'm
gonna
move
on
then
to
goal:
learn
six:
improve
water
quality
and
conservation
through
the
effectiveness
and
efficiency
of
utility
system
programs
and
infrastructure.
The
objectives
learn
six
point
one
through
six
point:
three
or
below
open
up
comments
regarding
learn,
six
and
objective
six
point
one
through
three
at
this
time.
F
L
Actually,
I
do
have
issues
with
most
of
this
anyway
Mike
on
the
we're
on
it.
Go,
learn
six
correct,
yes,
ma'am,
the
one
that
I
don't
like
is
six
three
continue
and
enhance
educational
efforts
designed
to
promote
water
conservation,
reduce
per
capita
water
usage
and
encourage
water,
conserving
land,
landscaping,
methods
and
I.
L
H
B
B
H
Go
ahead:
I
think
that
is
the
intent
but
I'm
not
sure
how
our
delivery
mechanism
is
going
to
be.
You
know
whether
that
will
be
you
know
as
people
you
know,
interface
with
Utilities
Department
or
whether
that
would
be
a
larger
scale.
Psa
there
will
be,
you
know,
kind
of
putting
out
to
the
public,
so
you
know
I
I
love
the
idea,
I'm,
just
not
sure
how
we're
gonna
execute
it
exactly
customer
Russell
and.
H
L
As
it's
a
voluntary
I,
don't
have
an
issue,
but
when
it
crosses
over
to
tell
you
not
to
do
it,
there's
a
guy
down
at
the
end
of
our
street
has
zero
escaped
his
entire
yard
and
he
did
it
over
a
period
of
time.
It
actually
looks
very
nice,
but
the
truth
is
if
there's
not
a
water
issue,
and
there
have
been
I've
lived
in
England
most
of
my
life.
L
There
have
been
years
when
we've
had
water
restrictions,
but
generally
not
so
much
because
we
have
a
lot
of
priority
water
rights,
but
I
will
tell
you
one
thing:
that's
motivation
is
my
water
bill
in
the
summer,
so
when
we
interface
with
the
utility
department
in
that
realm,
that
might
be
motivation,
but
if
people,
if
the
water's
there
we're
not
using
somebody
else's
water,
that's
but
I,
just
as
long
I
do
have
issues
that
is
really
not
the
job
of
government.
To
do
that
would.
H
E
If
you
notice,
it
says,
continue
and
enhance
educational
efforts,
so
we
already
are
doing
our
utilities.
Department
does
provide
information
on
that
in
our
department.
When
we
do
landscape
reviews,
we
often
encourage
people
to
use
more
xeriscape
materials
to
reduce
the
use
of
water,
because
water
is
a
critical
element
here
in
in
Colorado.
So
we
are
doing
that
already.
G
My
concern
is
you're,
correct
Harold.
We
already
do
a
lot
of
this
piece
of
it
through
the
water
department
and
through
the
pipeline
in
their
education
and
I,
want
this
to
remain
a
comprehensive
plan
somewhere
close
to
it's
actually
a
land
use
instead
of
a
vision,
mission
statement,
mush
of
the
entire,
wouldn't
this
be
nice
at
the
city.
Did
this
in
some
way,
we've
we've
got
to
I
mean
when
we
make
this
so
vague
and
so
broad
we
make
it
so
meaningless.
G
This
is
a
land
use
document
and
we
get
so
far
away
from
that
and
intermingle
with
so
many
other
departments,
and
so
many
other
functions
in
the
city
that
we
start
to
make
this
just
fluff
and
it
feels
good,
but
it's
not
anything
that
can
be
really
implemented
and
people
are
looking
for
a
comp
plan.
I
mean
what
we
need
in
the
city.
What
the
state
requirement
is
is
that
we
have
something
that
looks
closest
to
a
land
use
document
and
we
just
keep
getting
farther
and
farther
away.
G
C
Like
to
see
it
left
in
here,
like
Harold
mentioned,
we
already
do
some
of
these
things
and
I
think
it's
nice,
like
councilmember
Russell
mentioned
you
know
in
the
summer,
when
your
water
bills
really
high,
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
couple
tips
on
how
to
lower
that
I.
Think
the
all
of
these
things
would
be
voluntary.
H
A
This
is
a
puzzling
conversation
to
me
because
I
view
water
as
part
of
land
use
it's
on
our
land.
It's
part
of
what
we
own
it's
part
of
what
we
have
to
manage
and
keep
track
of
and
provide
for
our
own
citizens
as
well
as
consider
our
neighbors.
So
water
usage,
in
my
mind,
is
something
that
is
a
much
larger
issue
that,
if
what's
left
out
of
here,
would
be
a
huge
gap
in
my
mind
of
what
we're
thinking
about
I.
A
Don't
have
any
trouble
with
these
three
I
actually
think
that
the
keep
Englewood
beautiful,
really
helps
out
in
the
six
point.
Three
has
done
a
number
of
things
and
would
want
to
be
involved
in
that
way,
and
my
hunch
would
to
say
you
know
we'd
love
to
work
with
the
water
department
with
that.
Even
continuing
I
also
think.
There's
nothing
really
offensive
in
here
in
terms
of
anything
demanding
its
continuing
enhance
educational
efforts
designed
to
what
promote
water
conservation.
A
That's
a
good
thing,
but
since
when
did
we
cite
water
conservation
is
a
bad
thing
or
that
somehow
not
a
part
of
the
way
we
think
about
the
world.
We
live
in
reduce
water
usage
because
it's
a
good
thing
to
do
for
all
of
us
in
the
long
run
and
my
grandchildren,
my
great-grandchildren,
and
encourage
conserving
landscaping
methods
which
is
not
just
good
for
water,
yes,
saving,
but
also
good
for
the
land,
actually
to
do
that.
A
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
run
right
off
and
do
not
help
us
with
why
with
ground
replenishment
of
water
and
things
like
that,
so
I
don't
hit
I,
don't
see
anything
here
that
isn't
voluntary
and
isn't
just
promoting
and
supporting
and
reducing
together
to
make
a
healthy
environment.
So
I
have
no
trouble
with
the
language
in
any
of
these
and
I
think
keep
being
a
would.
Beautiful
is
one
that
we
need
to
continually
think
about
the
place
where
they
play
a
good
part.
Thank.
L
I
agree
with
most
of
what
you
said:
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that
I,
the
part
that
I
do
the
only
one
that
I
really
objected
to
here
was
the
the
last
one,
but
it's
the
learn
piece
of
it.
I
do
think
that
water,
water
conservation
does
have
a
place
and
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
here
that,
like
councilmember
Barrentine
just
stated,
has
nothing
to
do
with
land
use
and
everything
kind
of
has
been
fit
into.
F
L
A
L
H
G
G
We
had
part
of
some
of
the
community
come
about
vehicles
that
we
were
purchasing
when
it
when
it
doesn't
fit
what
we're
doing
or
it's
more
expensive
or
the
vehicle
to
zoom
we're
not
doing
some
of
this
stuff
either.
So
I
think
we
need
to
take
this
these
pieces
out
and
address
them
separately
and
the
areas
I'm.
Sorry
Linda,
I
apologize.
G
If
you,
if
you
disagree
them,
that's
no
I
would
say
me
to
disagree.
Then
let's
have
the
conversation.
If
we've
added
in
the
insertion
of
these
into
a
comp
plan
when
you,
if
you
look
at
what
the
definition
is
and
the
state
requirement
for
us
to
have
a
comp
plan,
which
is
a
land-use
plan,
and
they
don't
think
that
this
meets
that
criteria
when
we
start
shoving
everything
in
the
kitchen
sink
in
there
about
all
our
hopes
and
dreams
and
and
Fuzzy's
ideas
about
what
we'd
like
the
world
to
be
is
one
thing.
G
Then:
let's
handle
those
issues
on
conservation
on
energy
efficiency
in
the
areas
where
we
should
be
handling
them
and
I.
Don't
agree
that
it's
in
this
comp
plan
I,
don't
think
it's
effective
to
put
it
in
there
I
think
if
there
really
concerns
that
they
won't
have
the
power
or
get
address,
they
are
too
vague
to
out
there
and
too
fluffy
and
they're
in
a
place
where
they
don't
even
belong.
D
How
are
we
going
to
manage
this,
and,
what's
it
going
to
look
like,
and
this
goal
learned,
seven
I'm
kind
of
I'd
be
grasping
in
the
wind
to
try
to
figure
out
specific
objectives
that
you
want
us
to
measure
for
that,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
be
disrespectful
for
those
who
do
believe
those
things
their
tenants
should
remain,
but
this
is
what
we're
going
to
be
held
accountable
for
as
a
community,
and
so
if
there
are
specific
objectives
that
we
can
cover,
that's
great,
but
the
the
language
here
is,
it
seems
pretty
loose.
Is.
D
Go
learn,
seven,
you
know
increasing
awareness
I'm,
not
sure
we
have
some
groups
that
do
that
at
the
utility
level,
but
I
don't
know
how
we'd
measure
that
and
I'm
just
saying
this
in
general
terminology,
all
these
goals,
we're
gonna,
have
to
figure
out
a
matrix
to
by
which
we
can
come
back
to
you
on
a
regular
basis
on
an
annual
basis.
So
this
plan
isn't
set
on
a
shelf.
Am
I
not
correct
to
be
able
to
say
here's
our
report
card
Council?
This
is
what
we've
done
well
this
past
year.
D
H
D
L
Look
at
the
amount
of
things
we've
done
and
we
haven't
been.
This
council
hasn't
been
together
quite
one
year
and
the
amount
of
things
that
we've
had
to
go
through
and
staff
has
trouble
keeping
up
with
what
we
have
to
do.
It
seems
to
me,
like
this
whole
comp
plan
should
be
much
simpler
to
give
staff
the
freedom
to
take
it
in
a
direction
without
being
so
overwhelming.
C
Do
agree
this
one
is
a
little
bit
vague.
I
wanted
to
hear
from
Community
Development.
Do
you
have
any
particular
recommendations
on
what
could
make
this
more
specific?
If
not
I
mean
we
could
just
remove
it,
I
feel
like
the
environmental
needs
have
were.
The
generalization
was
addressed
in
all
the
previous
ones,
so
I
would
be
fine
with
taking
it
out
kind.
H
B
A
Would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
some
of
the
outreach
that's
including
other
entities
such
as
businesses
and
schools
and
citizens
that
we
have
I
I,
think
there's
a
need
for
for
a
comprehensive
view
of
how
we
treat
the
environment
as
a
city
and
the
kinds
of
guidelines
we
use
for
things,
the
kinds
of
activities
we
do,
and
sometimes
it
did.
We
simply
need
to
educate
people
or
inform
them
of
what
is
being
done
a
certain
way
because
of
the
environment.
A
For
instance,
why
do
we
use
some
things
on
roads
and
not
others,
and
that
helps
people
have
a
sense
of
security
in
a
sense
of
you
know,
trust
that
the
city
is
taking
its
best
shots
at
doing
the
right
thing.
The
water,
the
sewer
all
of
that
stuff
is
really
important,
and
we've
been
listening
every
Monday
night
for
months
about
this,
so
I'm
laughing.
A
Only
because
it's
partly
because
we
haven't
been
doing
this
and
we
ought
to
be-
and
we
ought
to
be
measuring
ourselves-
our
and
holding
ourselves
accountable
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
what
we're
doing
with
our
sludge.
And
why,
and
perhaps
a
more
onerous
objective
would
be
helpful
in
that
in
the
future
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
it.
So
I
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
kind
of
thing
is
not
left
out
of
here,
and
maybe
it
is
in
eight
already
I
was
just
looking
ahead.
That's.
A
If
it
is,
and
we
think
it
is-
and
I'm
fine
with
seven,
it
seems
like
we
have
a
lot
of
redundancy
in
seven-
maybe
six,
seven
and
eight,
and
it
could
be
condensed.
I
also
would
like
to
look
at
our
land
or
another
land,
but
our
water,
our
conservation
plan
that
we
submitted
to
the
state,
because
it
may
be
that
we
could
condense
these
into
that
or
or
suggest
and
link
them
somehow,
because
that
has
a
fairly
comprehensive
list
of
things
that
we
have
agreed
upon
as
well.
A
And
we
just
did
that
like
a
couple
of
years
ago
in
order
to
become
in
compliance
with
the
state.
So
I
don't
know
where
that
document
is
and
whether
the
water
and
sewer
board
has
looked
at
it
recently
or
not
that
we
did
it
and
it
was
supposed
to
allow
us
to
do
some
loan
type
things
or
grants
as
a
result.
A
So
that's
not
linked
in
here
in
any
way,
so
I
agree
with
councilmember
Barrentine,
it's
kind
of
silly
not
to
I
mean
if
there
is
another
entity,
then
let's
at
least
acknowledge
it
here,
because
it
maybe
this
is
a
bit
redundant.
But
then
I
would
want
to
say
we
want
to
be
in
compliance
and
in
coordination
with
the
water
and
sewer
in
the
state
conservation
plan
that
we
already
approved
are.
H
F
A
G
Again,
I,
don't
think
it
belongs
in
here,
I
think,
if
we're
really
serious
about
having
a
an
environmental
plan
that
that
should
be
peace
with
the
water
department
that
we
should
have
a
policy,
a
comprehensive
view
is
not
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
so
I,
don't
I.
Think
I
would
like
to
try
to
move
away
from
that.
G
If
we
don't
have
everything
in
the
kitchen
sink
in
here
that
somehow
we
don't
care
about
it,
I
just
am
saying
that
I
don't
think
this
is
the
vehicle
for
those
things
that
if
we
have
to
address
those
just
like
you
said
with
the
and
you
cog
had
worked
on
that
I
know,
Ryan
Laird
had
worked
on
that
for
having
the
the
plan
with
the
water
department
that
we
didn't
have
one
they
fought
very
hard
for
that.
So
maybe
we
should
do.
G
Maybe
it's
more
appropriate
for
it
to
be
in
a
an
environmental
policy
that
we
have
that
we
address
as
such
with
that
intent,
rather
than
trying
to
shove
everything
into
the
comprehensive
plan
as
if
it's
not
there,
we
don't
care
about
it.
I
do
care
about
it.
I.
Just
don't
think
that
it's
in
the
right
place
and
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
have
the
strength
or
the
attention
or
be
able
to
be
implemented
and
the
way
that
we're
doing
it
here.
So
if
we
really
do
care
about
it,
then
we
need
to
address
it.
G
Let's
address
it
separately
and
all
of
the
facets
that
are
already
going
on
with
it
and
see.
If
they're
already
being
taken
care
of
there,
then
we
have
an
environmental
policy,
that's
different
than
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
would
might
be
actually
implemented.
So
please
don't
misunderstand
that
I.
Don't
think
that
asking
for
some
of
these
things
not
to
be
included
in
a
place
where
I
think
they're,
vague
and
camp
Lee
implemented.
Is
that
I
don't
care
about
them?
I,
just
don't
think
it's
where
we
ought
to
be
putting
them.
Thank.
I
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
address
the
issue
about
where
various
policies
would
lie,
I,
don't
think
so
taking,
for
instance,
an
energy
policy
or
something
some
type
of
energy
sustainability
policy.
I,
don't
think
it's
mutually
exclusive
that
it
either
is
in
the
comp
plan,
or
it
is
out
of
the
comp
plan
it's
somewhere
else.
The
way
I
would
see
it
is
the
comp
plan
maybe
sets
the
table
for
that
policy
to
be
developed
independently.
As
long
as
it
is,
it
maintains
the
integrity
between
the
two
I.
I
Don't
think
it's
a
mutually
exclusive
conversation
about
it
either
belongs
in
one
place
or
another
I
think
the
comp
plan
is
the
idea
of
establishing
a
generational
view
for
the
next
15
years
of
general
direction
of
the
community's
growth
and
development,
and
all
of
these
things
are
related
to
that.
There
may
be
policies
and
initiatives
over
the
course
of
that
generation
that
the
city
would
take.
That
would
hone
in
and
do
some
specific
work
around
some
of
these
specific
goals
and
that's
what
we
would
use
the
comp
plan
for
going
forward.
A
A
It's
a
good
analogy
there
and
that
where
we
think
we
can
develop
very
specific
than
I
think
some
of
these
are
really
really
specific,
so
I
I
think
who
does
them
is
the
question
of
where
do
they
fall
then
for
responsibility,
but
it
does
give
an
intent
so
I
don't
mind
that
it's
in
there,
so
I
think
seven
can
go,
though,
if
we
think
it
fits
with
eight,
and
maybe
some
of
it
can
be
condensed
and
I
don't
have
trouble
with
that.
I
just
don't
want
to
lose
this
part.
A
H
H
I
think
I'm
hearing
a
consensus
to
remove
seven
altogether
and
continue
on
with
the
five
and
six,
as
stated
unless
somebody
wants
to
propose
some
language
changes
and
I
think
we
should
move
on
to
go.
Learn
eight
at
this
time
establish
partnership
in
order
to
make
environmental
programs
and
activities
more
effective
on
a
larger
scale.
Objective
learned,
8.1,
an
objective
I'm.
Sorry
through
eight
point,
four
are
open
for
discussion
at
this
time.
Councillor
Martinez
I,
like.
C
J
H
G
A
To
do,
though,
there's
the
Green
Wave
organizations
and
the
clean
ups
and
stuff
like
that
that
are
citizen
engaged
I,
just
think
it's
silly
that
is
national
in
there
and
we
can
hardly
keep
up
with
keeping
America
Beautiful
as
an
organization.
So
I
don't
think
we
have
to
get
that
specific.
I
just
think.
A
H
H
H
Sewers
I
was
just
in
LA
about
a
week
ago
and
they've
got
a
wonderful
sign
that
says
this
water
goes
to
the
ocean
and
it
shows
you
a
contaminated
fish
and
reminds
you
that
you
know
any
dumping
in
here
directly
impacts
your
environment
and
maybe
that's
a
low
cost
educational
solution
for
some
of
the
things
we're
dealing
with
I'm,
not
so
sure
people
realize
that
that
goes
directly
into
the
river.
You
know
I
think
there's
an
educational
awareness
issue
there.
What's
that
it's
got
a
dolphin,
we
don't
have
any
dolphins.
A
H
A
H
A
Just
think
this
is
a
strongly
a
strong
set
up
for
ke
B
and
if
they
were
looking
for
direction
on
what
they
want
to
do,
they
can
go.
They
can
go
wild
on
this
one
in
some
really
cool
ways
and
when
I
always
on
K
V.
This
is
the
kind
of
stuff
that
we
took
out
at
the
comprehensive
plan,
their
roadmap,
one
that
we've
got
our
direction
from,
and
we
this
is
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing.
This
is
this
is
cool.
We
can
it's
here
and
that's
how
we
set
up
our
goals
each
year.
C
The
key
aspect
of
that
they
are
also
working
and
the
city
as
a
whole
is
working
on
a
what's
called
partners,
an
energy
program
and
ways
to
reach
out
to
other
businesses
and
other
aspects
of
our
community.
That
may
want
to
save
money
and
a
lot
of
times
that
equates
to
environmental
activities.
So
that
should
be
coming
finishing
up
here.
Presume
yeah,.
H
A
Question
so
this
is
just
so
on
the
burn
and
burning
open
burning
like
fireplaces
and
stuff.
We
abide
by
those
regulations.
Don't
we
win
it's
a
red
like
in
the
wintertime.
So
that
would
be
an
example
where
we
don't
have
volunteer.
I
mean
it's
not
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
that
we
do
comply
with
right.
A
D
A
H
A
A
H
A
J
L
H
B
That's
where
priority-based
budgeting
comes
in
and
we
started
looking
at
the
trends
and
we
get
some
recommendations
from
staff
as
to
where
we
should
be
looking
at
cutting
some
of
this
stuff
and
there's
times
where
council
is
gonna
have
to
make
strong
decisions.
We're
not
going
to
do
this
this
year,
or
maybe
this
is
something
at
the
long
run
that
maybe
we
shouldn't
be
doing,
but
that's
where
priority-based
budgeting
really
helps
us
make
those
decisions.
B
C
A
L
I'm,
what
I'm
saying
is
I
do
believe.
We
need
parks,
I'm,
not
saying
that
we
don't
need
parks,
but
what
I'm
saying
if
we
get
it
down
to
where
we
have
no
money,
we
have
to
have
fire
protection.
We
have
to
have
police
protection,
we
have
to
have
water.
There
are
certain
things
we
have
to
have
and
I
think
we
need
to
prioritize.
Those
I
mean
I,
think
there's
some
plans
in
the
comp
plan.
L
The
thing
that
I'm
wanting
us
to
consider
is
that
we
make
sure
that
the
things
that
we
put
in
here
are
financially
viable
and
I
agree
with
councilmember
Yates,
the
the
one
the
one
concern
that
I
have
is:
we
have
a
capital
improvement
list
that
is
long
and
we
haven't
been
doing
it
for
a
long
time,
and
so
now
we
add
other
things
in
here.
I
think
we're
we
are
getting
ourselves
in
a
bind
financially.
That's.
L
A
Really
this
dovetails
all
the
way
through
everything
we've
been
talking
about,
so
it
and
so
again
it's
like
setting
the
table
and
then
finding
our
connections.
This
doesn't
I,
don't
think.
There's
anything
in
here
that
runs
contrary
to
our
past
Rex
and
park
plan,
nor
what
we're
considering
in
the
future
and
that's
going
to
drill
down
even
more
so
I
see
this
as
just
a
nice
dovetail
to
that
I
think
but
I
think
again.
We
should
acknowledge
that
plan
in
here,
because
it
is
a
very
comprehensive,
Parks
and
Rec
plan
that
we're
developing.
A
So
if
we
can
link
it,
I
would
prefer
to
see
that
there
as
well
and
I
I,
think
that
we
know
from
our
citizen
engagement
surveys
and
all
the
work.
That's
been
done
that
this
is
like
the
highest
thing
that
they
Rea
Tanglewood
for
and
the
one
thing
they
don't
want
to
have.
Stop
I.
Think
you're.
Right,
though,
about
funding
we
can't
we
have
to
cut,
we
cut
I.
Think
the
biggest
mistake
we
made
when
we
were
going
through
the
worst
of
times
in
2009
10
11
was
not
cutting
things
from
the
parks
and
racks.
A
H
A
H
L
H
Thank
you.
Let's
move
on
to
gold
play
too,
unless
others
have
comments
regarding
play.
One
moving
on
to
gold
play
to
provide
recreational
opportunities,
parks
and
open
space
that
are
consistent
with
England's
role
in
regional
parks
and
open
space
preservation,
including
the
South
Platte
River
corridor,
open
up
comments
for
objective
play,
2.1
through
2.4
as
well
councilmember
Russell.
L
Let's
have
to
go
back
to
look
at
the
goal
itself,
but
objective
play
2
for
just
proactively
identify
an
acquire
park
and
open
space
in
advance
of
need
to
obtain
land
at
the
most
appropriate
locations
through
the
use
of
Arapahoe
County,
open
space
funds
and
I.
Think
the
other
thing
that
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
we
are
an
enclosed
city
and
the
truth
is
for
our
current
needs.
We
have
enough
park.
L
B
So
I
really
don't
have
any
problems
with
it
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
just
because
we
identify
a
lot
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
buy
it.
Rapo
County,
Open,
Space
Fund.
If
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
bring
to
them,
we
will
never
get
funding.
So
we
have
to
be
kind
of
aware
of
what
we
might
want
or
want
to
want,
and
if
it
works
out,
then
we
can
go
to
them,
say
hey.
B
H
When
we
look
at
the
model
of
Duncan
Park
and
how
we
were
able
to
acquire
and
fund
that
you
know,
obviously
you
know
we
didn't
have
to
use
a
lot
of
general
fund
monies
I.
Think
the
real
only
pressure
from
a
sustainability
sort
of
standpoint
from
that
type
of
a
deal
for
us
is
the
main
ongoing
maintenance
of
the
parks.
You
know.
Perhaps
there
should
be
some
reference
to
you,
know:
maintenance,
cost
or
offsetting.
B
I
would
agree
with
the
general
thought
that
you
just
said
there
and
I
would
hope
that
management
and
staff
would
take
into
consideration
just
because
we
have
the
opportunity
to
purchase
and
we
can
get
the
money
that
we
also
look
at
the
cost
down
the
road.
You
know
if,
if
we
can
figure
out
how
to
put
that
in
there,
as
you
know,
let's
not
just
look
at
purchase
price,
but
maintenance
I'd
be
fine
with
that
Chancellor
Rosen
I.
A
F
A
Maybe
we
can
do
something
weird
and
out
there,
and
so
this
is
there
for
that.
I
think
or
maybe
you
know,
we
do
get
rid
of
a
fire
station
or
some
kind
of
place
and
we
decide
it's
gonna
be
Park
or
something
I,
don't
know,
but
I
I
would
like
us
to
keep
our
eyes
open
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
things
with
the
South
Platte
working
group
and
other
Arapaho
things
that
this
would
help
us
remind
ourselves
to
be
thinking
and
opening
our
eyes.
Our
eyes
still
I
like
that.
H
I
H
Others
want
to
weigh
in
on
that,
seeing
how
to
move
us
onto
gold
play
three
provide
an
accessible
and
connected
system
of
open
space,
natural
areas,
parks,
recreational
facilities,
trails
and
green
belts,
open
it
up
for
comments
on
objectives,
goal
play
or
I'm.
Sorry
played
three
point,
one
through
three
point:
four
as
well.
At
this
time,.
H
C
H
B
But
here
again
the
most
important
part
is
that
we
take
care
of
critical
or
I
should
say
essential
services.
They
get
a
priority
first
and
during
good
times,
then
you
know
we
look
at.
Can
we
do
this,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
priority
as
to
when
we
do
this
type
of
activity
and
and
of
course,
along
with
parks
and
everything
else.
L
Agree
with
councilmember
Yates
on
on
that
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
listing
specific
entities
because
that
relationship
may
be
now.
But
who
knows
what
will
happen
in
the
future
so
and
and
that
relationship
fits
into
here,
you
know
without
being
specifically
named
and
it
could,
you
know,
could
change.
H
Yeah
again,
I
guess
I'm,
just
kind
of
pro
I
want
to
be
a
little
bit.
You
know
I,
guess
I'm
on
board
or
I'm
a
little
bit
more
on
board
with
sort
of
naming
them
just
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
engage
them
further.
I
just
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
just
haven't
gained
gauged
MOA
and
as
well
as
we
should
have
in
the
past
and
and
I
feel
like.
G
G
A
Again,
I
think
this
would
be
one
of
those
where
I'd
like
to
link
some
things,
but
I
don't
mind
if
we
name
him
away
or
not,
but
I
do
think.
Hamden
Hall
is
an
underutilized
place
as
well.
We're
trying
something
new
this
year
with
it.
So
hopefully
the
the
outcomes
of
that
are
gonna,
be
really
helpful.
I
mean
if
we
had
lots
of
money,
I'd
love
to
redo,
that
whole
thing
for.
A
I'm,
fine
with
that
they
do
have
a
question
about
the
four
six
encourage
Cultural
Arts
Incubator
spaces
when
the
community
development,
when
you
were
looking
at
the
last
thing
we
just
did
on
jobs
and
those
kinds
of
thing
things
were
there
any
conversations
about
this
as
an
idea
of
how
to
bring
people
in
that?
Are
it's
not
your
traditional
employees,
but
it's
its
business
activity
in
a
way.
That's
unusual,
yeah.
D
D
A
I
think
I
think
that
could
really
regenerate
some
interest
in
the
arts
and
the
way
the
city
isn't
that
they
choose
us.
I.
Remember
you're,
telling
us
that
before
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
lose
that,
and
nor
would
I
want
to
not
connect
it
with
the
first
thing
we
did
tonight
for
the
first
hour,
because
that
brings
some
I.
Don't
know
how
that
fit
into
any
of
those
objectives
from
that,
but
it
seems
like
that
might
be
a
connection.
H
I
I
Two
alternatives
for
number
four,
based
on
your
discussion.
One
would
be
to
reference
the
facilities
we
could
say
something
to
the
effect
of
enhancing
or
with
quality
of
life
through
cultural
arts
programming
at
facilities
such
as
the
Museum
of
outdoor
arts
in
Hamden,
Hall
or
the
second
alternative.
If
you
didn't
want
to
have
the
specific
reference,
so
you
could
just
say
enhancing
the
woods
quality
of
life
through
cultural
arts,
programming.
G
G
Back
to
council
member
Russell's
concerns
about
what
we
mean
by
support
and
develop
and
encourage,
and
how
much
money
we're
willing
to
do
in
that
and
when
we
name
specific
things
that
are
going
on.
One
I
think
that
we
already
cut
ourselves
off
to
other
ideas
of
how
that
could
be
outside
of
those
entities
and
that
we
start
relying
on
them
too
much.
But
if
we
need
to
leave
that
open,
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
naming
specific
entities
in
there.
G
Plan
with
them
away,
if
we
want
to
work
with
MOA,
and
we
want
to
develop
a
specific
arts
plan
with
them,
then
we
need
to
do
that
separate
from
the
from
putting
it
specifically
in
the
complan
like
that,
that's
not
with
it.
That
would
be
the
most
effective
in
getting
something
implemented.
If
that's
even
what
we
decided
to
do.
Thank.
B
I'm,
forgetting
the
words
we
talked
about
it
this
evening,
the
the
first
thing
we
talked
about
the
funds
for
businesses,
economic,
economic,
development.
There
we
go,
you
know
if
it's
a
matter
of
doing
that,
then
you
know,
maybe
that's
a
way
of
helping
to
encourage
it.
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
the
private
sector
government
is
not
the
answer
to
everything,
but
if
we
can
create
an
environment
where
they
can
be
successful
and
we
can
be
successful,
then
it's
a
good
thing
for
both.
C
A
Infrastructure
in
the
second
alternate
that
sounds
great
I'm
playing
with
that
and
I
also
think
that
I
would
maybe
we
ought
to
write
into
this
this
private
piece,
because
that's
actually
how
I
think
this
should
happen
to.
We
don't
have
the
funds
to
do
this
kind
of
thing,
but
we
ought
to
be
actively
engaging
people
to
be
here
and
doing
things
like
the
like.
G
G
We
did
the
art
bus,
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
energy
for
the
imagination
and
the
love
of
what
we
wanted
to
create,
with
no
emphasis
on
how
that
was
actually
going
to
happen
that
you
can't
force
that
to
happen.
We
did
throw
a
lot
of
money
and
we
lost
a
lot
of
money
when
we,
when
David
Taylor,
went
belly-up
and
went
somewhere
else
with
their
stuff
and
we're
not
even
getting
those
plays.
G
I
mean
the
artwork
that
we
have
just
purchased,
because
the
original
intent
of
all
of
this
art
being
around
the
city
was
to
go
ahead
and
give
artists
a
vehicle
to
have
a
place
to
display
their
art
and
it
was
going
to
get
bought
and
it
was
going
to
get
seen
by
people
as
they
rode
the
free
bus
through
the
city
and
I
think
we
keep
trying
every
decade
or
so
to
keep
trying
to
recreate
that
without
the
understanding
of
what
failed
previously.
So
I
would
like
to
have
seen
that
work
before
it
didn't.
G
If
we're
just
going
to
keep
putting
this
out
there,
that
this
is
the
dream
we
have
of
this
kind
of
you
know,
artsy
kind
of
Greenwich
Village
feel
to
it,
and
all
of
this,
and
and
all
we
do
is
keep
buying
up
art,
because
it's
actually
more
expensive
for
us
to
fix
the
sidewalk.
Then
let
the
artist
sell
it
and
that's
why
we
have
a
watermelon
wedge
out
there.
Then
maybe
it's
not
exactly
going
in
the
direction
that
it
had
been
intended
before
and
I
would
like
to
not
keep
creating
those
mistakes.
G
The
way
that
we're
doing
is
is
to
go
down
a
road
that
has
already
failed
before,
or
we
wouldn't
have
been
being
interviewed
by
the
Urban
Land
Institute
to
fix
what
hasn't
even
last,
lasted
for
15
years.
So
I'd
like
to
be
a
little
bit
more
sustainable
in
what
we're
trying
to
do
both
financially
and
in
this
comprehensive
plan.
G
F
B
Have
it,
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
it?
We're
gonna
use
it
for
promotional
purposes.
Are
we
gonna
use
it
to
help
bring
people
in
to
do
events?
Are
we
gonna
use
it
to
do?
Xyz
I
agree
with
her.
We
need
to
have
a
plan.
I
will
also
say
that
the
conversation
of
the
arts
being
a
part
of
the
comp
plan,
the
way
I'm
really
seeing
a
comprehensive
plan
that
we're
doing
it's,
not
a
strict
comp
plan
that
the
state
declares.
B
This
is
kind
of
a
comp
plan
for
the
city
to
have
a
vision
of
where
we're
going
and
to
paint
that
picture
and
give
instruction
to
staff
and
give
them
some
ability
to
work
with
different
concepts
without
having
to
come
to
Council
every
single
time.
Hey.
We
have
this
opportunity.
Do
you
want
to
do
it
in
while
we're
debating
back
and
forth
that
opportunity
goes
away?
So
you
know
I
understand.
Other
council
members
concerns,
but
I'd
support
this
as
long
as
we
can
get
the
private
sector
involved
and
have
a
plan
at
what
we're
doing.
B
You
know,
that's
definitely
one
aspect
of
of
it.
The
other
aspect
is
maybe
you
know
through
business
development,
that
we
help
somebody
get
a
permit
so
that
they
can
modify
a
space
or
you
know
if
we've
got
a
warehouse
that
is
just
decrepit
and
falling
apart
and
nobody
has
any
any
interest
in
it.
Do
we
help
that
group
come
up
with
a
way
that
they
can
use
it
and
turn
it
into
for
the
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
Rhino
district
supporting
it
can
come
in
many
shapes
and
forms
it
isn't
just
cash.
B
It
isn't
just
having
a
partnership
that
we're
going
to
keep
forever.
It
isn't
just
you
know,
give
them
a
permit.
You
need
to
have
more
than
one
tool
in
your
tool
kit.
That's
why
I
kind
of
see
you
like
the
broad
language
I
like
broader
language,
on
that
and
right
now,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
staff
and
our
management
that
when
they
look
at
these
things,
that
they're
able
to
determine
if
it's
a
good
deal
or
not
I
know
that
that
isn't
something
that
you
can
guarantee
will
always
be
there.
I
mean
three
years
from
now.
B
We
may
have
a
totally
different
management
and
staff.
You
know,
and
hopefully
counsel
at
that
point
in
time
will
be
paying
attention.
What's
going
on,
can
make
that
decision,
that
okay
staff
and
management
isn't
competent
to
do
these
things,
so
we
either
need
to
change
your
comp
plan
or
we
need
to
change
the
other
aspect
right
now,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
what
the
folks
that
are
in
place.
Thank
You.
C
C
H
Why
I'm
wearing
ten?
That's
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
we
have
some
consensus
to
keep
the
general
language
that
is
in
place.
Currently,
let's
move
on
to
goal
play
five,
that
is
collaborate
with
other
groups,
organizations
and
institutions
to
bring
a
diverse
mix
of
cultural
and
artistic
programs,
activities,
exhibits
and
performances
to
inglewood
objectives
play
a
five
point,
one
through
five
point:
six
I'm
also
opening
up
for
comments
at
this
time,
councilmember
Yates.
H
Here
in
general,
support
as
written
at
this
point,
I
guess
I
would
open
it
up
to
council
comment
regarding
how
to
proceed
from
here.
At
this
time
we
have
reached
the
conclusion
of
our
review
of
goals
and
objectives.
I
think
the
suggestion
from
staff
is
that
a
come
forward
and
and
be
for
a
public
hearing
at
this
time
is
that
council
what
council
would
like
to
see
or
they'd
like
to
go
through
some
additional
processes
before
that
happens,
council
member
Olson?
It's.
H
F
H
B
B
F
B
Within
this
area,
why
certain
things
are
the
way
they
are
I
think
they
gave
us
some
good
high-level
things
to
think
about,
not
necessarily
it
will
adopt
and
Institute
all
at
one
time
or
even
take
all
of
it,
but
some
great
information,
it's
something
that
we've
needed
in
our
community
for
a
very
long
time.
They
brought
up
a
lot
of
different
things
that
I
felt
and
others
have
felt
that
we
needed
to
do
within
that
area.
Except
now
they
gave
us
some
facts
to
work
with,
not
just
emotions.
D
C
H
A
A
Divorce
recovery
groups
do
that
and
they
charge
to
side.
I
went
down
this
road
in
my
mind,
of
all
the
things
that
I've
seen
at
a
church
at
any
one
point
in
time
in
church,
it's
still
a
church,
but
when
does
it
fit
in
with
the
church
and
when
I
don't
know,
but
anyway,
I
have
gotten
a
number
of
calls,
and
someone
came
by
my
house
the
other
day
when
they're
walking
in
like
do
you
know
whether
it's
been
a
council
request?
I
didn't
need
to
bring
it
up
tonight.
That's
all.