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I. Financial Report 6:00-6:15 p.m. (Informational)
II. Dissolution of Ironworks/Urban Renewal Area and Discussion of the Future of EURA 6:15-7:00 p.m. (Direction)
III. Historic Preservation 7:00-7:30 p.m. (Direction)
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Evening
everybody
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
call
this
meeting
to
order.
Welcome
everyone
to
the
City
Council
study
session.
My
first
agenda
item
of
the
evening
is
a
financial
report,
Director
of
Finance
and
Administrative
Services
Kathleen
wrinkles
here
to
discuss
the
August
2016
financial
report
good
evening.
Good.
I
Evening,
I'm
happy
to
report
is
anticlimactic,
which
is
very
good
for
a
budget
report,
so
in
general
we
are
on
target.
Last
month,
when
I
reported,
we
actually
had
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
dollar
positive
gap
between
what
we
expected
for
net
on
general
budget
and
where
we
are
actually
ending
up
this
time
this
month,
it's
down
to
a
hundred,
and
one
thousand
so
we've
eaten
into
that
a
little
bit,
but
we're
still
on
the
positive
side
of
meeting
budget
and
we're
on
target.
I
So
with
that,
all
the
numbers
are
pretty
much
in
line
the
larger
negative
numbers
you
might
see
on
the
front
page
and
the
top
section
where
it
says
governmental
types
of
budgets
under
this
year-to-date
City
funds.
Those
are
basically
in
the
general
fund.
The
transfers
out
to
some
of
the
other
funds
that
are
detailed
on
page
I
saw
here.
I
And
then,
on
page
eight
like
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
area,
seven,
we
are
improving.
We
are
still
underwear
weeks
we
experienced
last
year,
but
we
added
another
92
thousand
this
month.
We
were
up
about
a
hundred
thousand
last
month
and
then
down
the
months
before
that
by
about
a
hundred
thousand
each
so
that
that's
pretty
much
a
summary
rest
of
the
numbers
are
here
for
your
pleasure.
If
you've
got
any
questions
more
than
happy
to
answer
them,.
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The
dissolution
of
ironworks
urban
renewal
area
and
discussion
of
future
of
urban
renewal
authority,
Community
Development
director
Brad
Power,
is
present
to
discuss
the
future.
The
urban
renewal
do
it
as
well
as
some
urban
renewal
members
our
chair
mr.
Costello,
as
well
as
mr.
burns
joining
us
this
evening.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
good
evening.
Could.
K
And
before
we
go
into
the
discussion
and
questions
and
answers
about
the
the
idea
and
the
pros
and
cons
and
anything
you
want
to
address
to
us
relative
to
that
analysis.
What
I
thought
I
would
do
if
you
allow
me
a
brief.
Visual
aid,
which
is
hand-drawn
as
well,
is
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
very
generalized
version
of
how
tax
increment
financing
works.
Just
so
that
maybe
we're
all.
K
On
the
same
page
of
kind
of
how
it
is
put
in
place
and
what
it
what
it
does
over
time,
so
pardon
the
the
lack
of
sophistication
of
this,
because
there's
a
lot
of
nuances
of
how
it
actually
works
and
all
the
reporting
requirements
and
everything
else.
But
in
general,
the
way
the
tax,
increment
or
TIF
works
is
on
the
vertical
you're,
very
kind.
On
the
vertical
access
you
have
revenue
and
on
the
horizontal
access
you
have
a
period
of
time
and
understate
or
very
little
statute.
K
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K
Is
generally
revenues
are
declining
and
the
idea
is
to
try
to
reverse
that
and
attract
new
growth
and
development
to
the
region.
So
the
the
orange
line
represents
the
time
at
which
an
herb
renewal
plan
is
adopted
in
put
in
place
and
that
continuous
of
the
red
line
is
the
revenues
that
will
go
continue
to
go
to
the
so-called
taxing
entities
rtd
the
city,
the
county
school
districts.
K
All
of
that
that
becomes
the
baseline
that
they
would
continue
to
collect
over
the
period
of
up
to
25
years,
and
the
theory
is,
is,
if
you
do
this
and
you
plan
for
the
public
improvements
and
you
fund
those
public
improvements
in
the
area.
You're
gonna
attract
new
redevelopment
in
new
investment,
and
the
theory
behind
that
is.
The
tax
revenues
would
start
to
increase.
So
the
shaded
area
here
is
the
so-called
increment
in
this
air.
This
amount
of
funding
is
available
for
eligible
public
improvements
associated
with
an
urban
renewal
project.
K
So
it's
not
an
unchallenging
situation.
If
the
city
wanted
to
do
something
out
there
from
a
tax,
increment
financing
standpoint,
we
have
by
the
time
we
would
ramp
up
and
have
a
project.
There's
one
both
limited
time
left
in
the
plan,
and
you
cannot
extend
your
renewal
plan
would
have
to
wreak
Walla
Phi
as
blighted
and
based
on
the
projects
that
have
happened
with
RTD
and
the
two
housing
projects
that
are
underway.
K
It
would
not
reek
wallah
Phi,
so
we
can't
extend
the
timeline
and
there's
also,
as
I
said,
a
limited
amount
of
income,
that's
likely
to
be
generated
through
the
tax
increment.
That's
that's
remaining
one
of
the
things
that
that
that
we,
as
staff
talked
about
today,
that
is
not
included
in
your.
Your
analysis,
is
in
October
you'll,
be
seeing
from
Boulevard
builders
on
the
project
at
Iron
Works,
a
plan
for
a
special
metropolitan
district
to
finance
some
of
the
improvements
associated
with
that
project.
K
One
of
the
things
that
they
will
be
requesting,
which
is
very
typical
of
these
types
of
hybrid
redevelopment
districts,
is
an
agreement
with
the
urban
authority
that,
if
they
do
a
special
assessment
in
the
area
to
fund
their
improvements
that
wouldn't
be
subject
to
any
tax
increment.
So
in
other
words,
they
can
fund
themselves
and
it
wouldn't
be
subject
to
any
kind
of
capture
from
the
urban
renewal
authority
to
do
other
other
funds.
It's
just
another
way
of
funding
and
developing
the
public
improvements
that
are
required
for
that
project.
K
Pros
and
cons
we'd
be
happy
to
address
those
as
a
release
of
the
specific
area.
The
urban
Oil
Authority
did
meet
last
week
and
discussed
this
topic,
but
it
led
to
a
wider
discussion
about
what
the
future
might
be
for
the
authority
and
its
role
going
forward
and
I
think
the
mayor
suggestion
was
maybe,
in
addition
to
covering
this
specific
topic,
at
least
putting
on
the
table.
D
So
you
know
it's
more
for
us.
It's
really
more
of
opening
up
a
dialogue
and
trying
to
understand
what
why
this
is
a
you
know
an
agenda
item.
Obviously,
we
realized
that
if
it
cost
the
city
money
or
if
there's
administrative
costs,
then
we
want
to
know
about
that
and
obviously
that
would
be
a
concern.
But
it
seems
as
if,
based
on
the
analysis
that
was
that's
presented
here-
that
that's
that's
really
not
the
case,
and
so,
if
it's
our
recommendation
that
the
urban
renewal
boundary
remain
in
place
for
the
duration
of
the
time
frame,.
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L
If
you
have
an
urban
renewal
boundary,
if
you
have
an
urban
renewal
area,
it's
gonna
create
it's
going
to
collect
the
increment
you're
going
to
have
monies
being
diverted
from
other
taxing
and
entities
such
as
the
school
district,
or
you
have
people
that
are
coming
in
with
more
children
and
taking
that
money
away
and
that
money
will
be
funneled
to
the
urban
renewal
authority.
There
is
no
need
for
the
urban
renewal
authority
if
it
has.
If
the
plan
has
been
completed,
if
they
have
no
project
there,
if
they
have
no
investment,
there
are
no
debt.
L
There
there's
no
reason
for
them
to
continue
to
siphon
off
money
from
the
county
from
the
city
from
the
school
district
from
urban
drainage.
It's
no
there's
no
need
for
it,
so
urban
renewal
authorities
are
put
in
place
to
take
care
of
slum
and
blight,
and
if
that
project,
if
that
plan
from
however
many
decades
ago
is
now
come
to
an
end,
then
so
does
the
authority,
because
you
don't
have
plan,
there's
an
a
project
going
on
true.
L
Not
arguing
that
there's
a
TIF
funding,
if
you
get
rid
of
this
particular
one,
then
you
have
the
purpose
for
having
an
urban
renewal
authority
is
to
take
care
of
the
plan
and
the
project
that
you're
taking
care
of
the
slum
and
blight
not
to
be
in
a
second
arm
of
like
Community
Development.
Its
urban
renewal
authorities
are
very
specific
in
their
purpose
and
once
that's
completed,
then
that
should
go
away,
but
it's
not.
L
D
K
I
I
think
there's
there's
a
there's
two
aspects
of
that.
One
is
for
this
specific
geographic
area.
That's
been
established
in
2001
as
an
urban
renewal
district.
The
lion's
share
of
the
project
area
between
the
RTD
facility-
that's
been
in
place
for
many
years
now,
and
the
two
residential
projects
that
are
being
completed
in
the
next
two
years
say
that
doesn't
consume
the
entirety
of
the
area.
So
there's
still
other
areas
within
the
urban
rural
area
that
have
not
been
subjected
to
redevelopment.
K
K
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
the
council
consider
is
if
the
plan
would
be
left
open
and
we
did
reach
the
point
at
which
we're
not
here
anymore,
that
we're
in
here
someone
for
the
last
say
seven
years
of
the
district.
Would
it
make
sense
to
do
one
of
two
things
are
they're
eligible
public
improvements
in
one
of
the
other
properties
that
may
be
susceptible
to
redevelopment
in
the
future?
Do
we
want
to
foreclose
that
opportunity?
K
The
second
alternative
in
in
the
board's
estimation
is,
if
you
keep
the
plant
open
and
there
is
no
project
that
whatever
whatever
tax
increment
monies
would
flow
into
the
authority
into
the
fund
that
would
be
payable
to
TIF
improvements.
The
authority
could
then
refund
that
back
to
the
taxing
entities,
there's
not
a
legitimate
TIF
expense
or
a
project
on
the
table
for
the
remainder
of
the
period
of
time
those
funds
could
be
refunded.
Now,
on
the
second
question,.
L
And
to
just
the
first
one
it
cannot,
they
cannot
be
refunded.
A
rapo
county
will
not
take
those
funds
back.
That's
part
of
what
this
court
case
has
been
all
about,
and
if,
once
the
assessment
is
made,
the
school
district
is
back
filled
by
the
state.
There
is
no
way
it's
exactly
the
situation,
that's
going
on
in
Middleton,
and
that
is
not
accurate
information.
L
It
cannot
be
given
back
to
the
entities
where
it
should
have
gone
in
the
first
place
once
it
once
it
flows
out,
it
has
to
be
closed
or
the
increment
is
going
to
come
to
the
urban
renewal
authority
that
can
have
an
area
once
that
area
is
designated
they're
gonna
the
money
is
going
to
be
funneled
there
and
you
cannot
return
it.
Let's.
L
K
I
appreciate
that
part
two
was
maybe
the
existence
of
the
authority
as
as
an
entity
going
forward
and
I,
don't
think
any
any
of
the
board
members
nor
I,
as
as
their
executive
director,
can
sit
here
tonight
and
say
that
we
have
a
project
area.
That's
on
the
books
that
we
wanted
to
bring
forward,
but
it
would
not
be
either
their
recommendation
or
mine
as
as
their
director
or
a
community
element
director
to
dissolve
the
authority
itself,
because
that
forecloses
any
opportunity
to
use
that
tool
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
foreclosing.
K
That,
at
this
point,
I
think
is,
is
a
pretty
major
step
and
a
pretty
major
factor
in
terms
of
looking
at
our
overall
redevelopment
scenarios
in
the
future
who's
to
say
that
five
or
ten
years
down
the
road
there
may
not
be
an
area
that
will
qualify
that
we
would
at
least
want
to
have
the
tool
available
to
assess
whether
or
not
an
area
geographically
would
qualify
for
that
type
of
intervention.
And
so
that
would
just
I
think
that's.
The
board
can
speak
for
themselves,
but.
L
L
They
are
been
drainage,
the
city,
the
the
rapaho
County,
the
Legislature
passed
that
they
should
have
a
seat
at
the
table
when
their
funds,
when
their
tax
dollars
are
being
diverted
away
from
them,
and
so
I
kind
of
see
this
as
just
a
way
to
keep
it
open.
With
no
plan.
No
debt,
no
everything's
been
taken
care
of
and
we're
just
keeping
it
open
so
that
maybe
sometime
in
the
future
and
then
we
avoid
coming
into
compliance
with
the
current
law.
So.
K
Let
me
be
clear
in
our
evaluation
in
our
pros
and
cons
analysis.
We
gave
you
some
decision
points
relative
to
the
specific
boundaries
of
this
geographic
urban
renewal
district.
The
part
two
that
I
was
addressing
was
the
authority
itself
as
an
entity
and
its
dissolution.
That's
not
something
we
would
recommend.
L
And
to
to
that
point,
because
it
was
brought
up
about
considering
getting
rid
of
the
authority
altogether
and
dissolving
that,
as
so,
many
communities
are-
and
there
are
two
bright
area
for
that.
Even
if
we
dissolved
it,
it
would
stay
open
for
at
least
six
months
or
it
has
to
be
half
its
debt
and
I
was
a
little
concerned
that
we
were
not
provided
any
financial
information
because
that's
an
integral
part
of
making
a
decision
on
this
whole.
K
L
I
apologize,
maybe
I,
didn't
make
myself
clear,
I
didn't
say
about
the
closing
the
plan
I
said
about
closing
the
Englewood
Urban
Renewal
Authority
period,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
even
if
we
made
that
decision
today
they
would
remain
in
effect
for
six
months
or
and
they
have
to
have
resolved
all
their
debt.
And
since
that
was
one
of
the
questions
that
was
asked.
I
was
surprised
that
there
was
no
financials
given
on
the
entirety
of
the
authority.
Not
just
this
plan.
D
L
D
And
I
mean
this
is
sort
of
why
we're
here.
This
was
my
concern.
I
think
taking
their
every
new
authority
out
of
the
equation
is
quite
honestly
one
of
the
biggest
mistakes
you
can
make
and
I
understand
that
there
are
a
few
council
members
who
feel
very
strongly
that
urban
renewal
is
is,
should
not
be
a
tool
for
the
future,
but
to
say
that
urban
renewal
cannot
and
should
not
be
used
in
a
positive
way.
I
think
is
missing
the
boat
completely
I.
D
Think
if
you
look
at
Denver
Arvada
in
other
areas,
I
think
right
now
is
an
opportunity
for
urban
renewal
to
finally
put
a
future
plan
in
place
with
the
sale
of
the
Acoma
property
and
groundbreaking
there.
We
finally
have
some
money
to
to
do
some
some
study
sessions
and
other
items
and
to
click
forward
a
plan
for
future
of
their
very
own
Authority.
So.
D
M
M
B
If,
in
fact,
increment
were
generated
by
this
particular
project
area-
and
there
are
no
project
plans-
that
money
would
sit
with
the
the
ura,
in
my
conversation
with
Corbin
sac
dalla
Monica
Babbitt,
who
is
the
deputy
assessor,
they
indicated
that
you
could
give
money
back,
but
you
have
to
enter
to
an
IgA
with
them
to
do
so,
and
it
may
be
difficult
for
those
taxing
entities
to
receive
the
money
because
of
Tabor
and
may
be
considered
at
you
know
in
conflict
with
Sabre
rules
and
regulations.
So
there
are
a
couple
ways
to
deal
with
that.
B
Obviously
the
money
could
still
remain
with
the
e
ra
for
that,
but
again
the
money
generated
in
a
project
area.
In
my
past,
experience
should
stay
in
the
project
area
and
not
necessarily
be
used
elsewhere,
but
you
know
I
know
some
urban
renewal
agencies
do
utilize,
that
funding
for
elsewhere,
but
otherwise
and
you'd
have
to
look
at
creating
an
IgA
to
return
funds
to
taxing
entities.
D
K
E
D
G
And
I
guess
I,
just
don't
understand
why
you
think
it
wouldn't
generate
an
increment,
because
certainly
it
seems
like
property
values
are
increasing
and
we're
having
some
improvements
there
in
the
near
future.
Help
me
get
my
arms
around
the
projection
as
far
as
what
we
would
need
to
do
to
get
to
generate
an
increment,
because
you
know
four
hundred
and
sixty
four
thousand
something
a
lot
of
money,
but
in
a
large
site
like
that,
that's
not
a
huge
increase
right.
K
K
The
other
factor,
a
third
factor
that
I
mentioned
before,
is
that
when
you
see
the
special
to
Metro
district
legislation
that
will
be
before
you
for
consideration
in
October
they're
going
to
be
establishing
their
assessments
and
so
that
that
will
not
be
subject
to
increment
going
forward
as
well.
So
that's
also
a
factor
that
would
have
to
be
incorporated
in
terms
of
how
much
income
generation
would
be
able
to
be
generated
in
this
area
in
the
remaining
nine
or
so
years.
In
the
district.
D
G
D
H
L
L
There
will
be
increment,
there's
no
doubt
generated
when
they
do
the
assessment
and
they
do
the
assessment
in
january
1st
of
each
year.
So
it
won't
come
in
for
this
year,
but
it
will
be
for
2017.
There
will
be
increment
taken
on
there
and
I
appreciate
that.
You
think
that
there
are
some
things
that
that
organization
can
do,
but
it's
not
the
purpose
of
the
urban
renewal
authority
to
do
the
things
that
you're
asking
to
do
and
that
money
just
doesn't
come
from
somewhere.
It
is
taken
away
from
the
school
district.
L
That's
the
biggest
argument
that
has
been
made
for
these
urban
renewal
authorities,
which
the
county
I
think
is
already
short:
5
million
dollars
a
year
on
urban
renewal
authorities
for
the
money
that
would
have
been
generated
and
gone
to
them.
That's
taken
away
if
you're
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
a
residential
service
like
what
the
foundry
is
and
you've
got
more
school
children
coming
in
and
we
don't
have
the
money
going
to
the
school
district.
L
It
isn't
just
free
money,
flowing
it's
being
taken
away
from
other
taxing
entities
that
they
can't
use
it.
We
can't
use
it
for
a
fire
and
police.
We
can't
use
it
for
the
drainage
thing.
We
can't
use
it
for
the
the
county
doesn't
get
their
share.
That's
where
that
money
comes
from
and
that's
that's
a
problem
for
it
just
to
go
to
the
Urban
Renewal
Authority
and
just
sit
there
when
they
have
no
plan
along
with
that
any
plan.
L
Any
change
in
those
plans
would
have
to
come
back
through
the
council
and
I
believe
that
area
should
be
redone.
If
we're
gonna,
even
think
about
doing
that,
which
would
at
least
have
you
come
under
the
new
state
law
so
that
all
the
people
that
are
being
affected
by
this
all
the
taxing
entities
have
a
seat
at
the
table,
have.
D
L
D
D
L
I
thought
I
said
that
it
only
takes
25
signatures
and
the
condition
of
slum
and
blight,
which
is
what
the
Urban
Renewal
Authority
is
supposed
to
be
taken
care
of,
not
just
development,
not
just
things.
They
think
they
could
make
better.
It's
for
11,
very
specific
standards
that
taxpayers
would
use
that
money
or
funnel
it
away
from
their
children
in
their
school
to
go
ahead
and
build
something
because
they
believe
that's
the
only
way
to
do
it.
That
has
to
be
held
to
a
pretty
high
standard.
L
H
L
To
under
way,
I
went
to
an
urban
renewal
meeting
in
that
carbon
sack
doll
and
Monica
Babbitt
held
in
Littleton
I
did
not
believe
that
it
was
at
the
time
I
didn't
I
had
already
gone
to
the
assessor's
office
and
asked
if
we
were
collecting
any
increment.
They
said
no
I
just
didn't
ask
the
right
question
in
the
process
of
watching
this.
There
were
about
40
people
there,
mostly
from
Littleton,
watching
this
presentation
by
the
County
Assessor.
L
I
L
J
H
H
F
H
Talk
to
him
we're
kind
of
information
that
I'd
like
to
make
public
to
everybody.
I
don't
have
trouble
with
this,
otherwise
I
actually
do
think
it's
an
important
tool.
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
finances
on
it,
though,
and
it
so
that
the
claims
that
might
be
made
pro
or
con
are
a
little
bit
clearer
to
everybody,
and
especially
since
we
have
an
upcoming
decision
that
is
gonna
influence
the
future.
Some
of
us
to
be
great
to
weigh
them
all
out
together.
H
So
to
me,
this
is
a
great
preliminary
conversation
I
mean
a
good
beginning,
not
just
preliminary
good,
beginning
and
I
guess.
Another
question
I
was
gonna:
ask
was
for
Tom
Burns
who's
watched
these
over
these
numbers
of
years
and
what
you've
seen
our
city
use
or
not
use
in
its
implications.
I
mean
part
of
what
we're
doing
with
the
development
here
and
others
have
had
some
impact
when
we
choose.
A
A
A
H
M
Actually-
and
just
add
to
that,
I
actually
also
happen
to
be
at
that
same
meeting
and
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
for
us
to
perhaps
get
Corbin
sacked
all
here
to
talk
about
this,
so
that
City
Council
gets
the
information
from
the
other
side
of
all
of
that,
because
I
don't
think
it's
wise
for
us
just
to
make
decisions.
I
had
no
idea.
I
go
to
some
of
these
meetings
just
to
be
educated,
because
I
don't
understand
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
J
H
L
A
specific
information
on
that
meeting
they
were
in
the
newspaper
they've
had
a
special
election,
getting
rid
of
their
Urban
Renewal
Authority
I
was
of
some
concern
to
me
and
so
I've
been
attending
those
meetings
to
find
out
exactly
where
the
overreach
was
why
the
county
had
a
problem
with
it.
Why
the
school
district
thought
it
was
stealing
money
from
them,
and
so
that
I
could
be
more
educated.
G
Thank
you
other
questions
or
comments
from
counsel.
At
this
point
you
know
I
guess
I
would
ask
counsel
for
some
direction
on
this
issue.
You
know.
Do
we
want
to
have
another
conversation
regarding
the
increment
issue
to
continue
this
conversation,
I
heard
from
a
member
of
the
suggestion
of
inviting
somebody
from
the
County
Assessor's
Office.
Does
the
body
like
that
idea
seeing
a
lot
of
heads
sort
of
nodding.
H
B
Monica
was
out
of
the
office,
but
I
heard
back
from
another
one
of
their
employees
and
they
did
indicate
that
is
correct,
that
it
is
look.
The
assessed
value
is
lower
than
the
base,
and
so
there
that
would
need
to
be
made
up
in
in
this
next
year.
So
I
think
if
you
were
to
do
a
resolution,
that's
only
one
reading
so
to
dissolve
the
area
that
could
be
done
still
this
year.
So
I
think
there
would
be
some
time
there.
B
G
K
B
K
You
can
also
talk
about
an
IgA
situation
with
trying
to
refund
it.
That
would
lead
to
those
two
policy
decisions,
but
it
would
be
very
helpful,
I
think
not
only
to
the
staff
to
the
authority,
but
also
to
you
as
counsel,
if
the
county
could
do
some
projections
of
where
they
see
the
increment
headed.
That's
not
something!
That's
in
our
bailiwick,
that's
really
in
their
shop
agreed.
G
H
I,
have
you
all
met
with
the
county
at
all
in
the
process
in
the
last
several
years?
It
would
that
be
something
that
would
be
helpful
to
you.
All,
maybe
I
mean
I
would
I
would
didn't.
I
would
encourage
that
so
that
your
perspective,
that
you're
trying
to
bring
tonight
is
tempered
by
theirs,
and
we
begin
to
see
some
of
the.
What
are
the
edges
of
this?
What
makes
it
difficult
and
then
I
I
mean
just
looking
at
this
to
begin
with
I'm
fine,
with
going
with
what
your
recommendation
is.
H
I
am
not
in
favor
of
dissolving
the
urban
renewal
authority.
I
really
think
it's
an
important
tool
and
we're
heading
into
an
unusual
time
because
of
the
new
state
law
and
I.
Think
that's
fine
I
think
we
got
to
learn
how
to
play
in
in
the
sandbox,
with
some
of
the
new
rules
and
figure
out
how
to
do
this.
H
G
Further
counsels
perspective
I.
Do
think
that
you
know
we
probably
need
to
wrestle
with
the
increment
issue
on
this
particular
area
first.
But
if
we
would
like
to
continue
onto
a
more
macro
level,
conversation
about
the
future
of
urban
renewal,
I
think
that's
sort
of
the
second
conversation
that
may
be
likely,
but
you
know
we
may
need
additional
information
or
additional
sort
of
experts
to
sort
of
help
us
with
some
information
on
that
all
right.
L
L
There
are
financials
and
paperwork,
so
we
know
that
what
we're
doing,
because,
even
if
we
made
the
decision
to
close,
if
they've
got
that,
we
can't
do
it
so
and
I
appreciated
as
a
result
of
Rita
and
I
going
to
that
meeting,
Eric
met
with
the
county
assessor.
Prior
to
that,
we
were
being
told
that
there
was
not.
L
The
court
case
that
happened
in
Littleton
makes
it
pretty
clear
that
you
can't,
and
the
Aurora
case
says
you
can't
just
start
a
tiff
area
when
you
want
in
a
section
of
it
and
undo
it
in
another.
So
I
don't
know
whether
the
plan
would
have
to
be
redone
what
the
what
the
process
would
that
it
would
be.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
know
all
of
what's
going
on
so
that
we
could
make
the
best
decision.
We
can.
G
J
H
You
have
one
more
on
that.
That
is
what
kinds
of
projects
if
anything
have
been
floating
around
I
mean
I.
Do
think
that
this
one
area
is
going
to
take
off
with
some,
hopefully
with
this
development,
I'm
hoping
it
will,
but
are
there
things
that
you've
been
discussing
that
I
have
to
recall
the
minutes
from
your
last
meeting,
we're
not
when's.
The
last
two
minutes
meant.
D
D
We
have
not
outlined
any
any
specifics
on
future.
There's
been
in
the
past,
some
very
brief
large-scale
overview
of
what
the
potential
is.
We
have,
you
know
been
updated
to
the
best
that
we
possibly
can
there's
still
a
lot
of
gray
areas
and
what
the
new
law
is
and
what
that
would
be.
But
we
share
the
same
understanding
that
we
would
be
going
forward
with
a
new.
A
K
We
haven't
had
any
specific
enquiries
yet
in
our
office
about
some
of
the
surrounding
properties.
I
think
that's
partly
because
they're
smaller
in
size,
so
you'd
have
to
aggregate
some
land
to
be
able
to
do
a
viable
project,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
the
two
projects
that
are
underway
won't
generate
some
demand
in
the
coming
years.
M
H
F
L
L
G
A
G
You
again
we'll
move
on
to
agenda
item
three.
This
is
a
historic
preservation.
Discussion,
follow-up
from
our
meeting
with
the
Historic
Preservation
Society
helped
me
sort
of
identify
Eric.
Maybe
what
some
of
the
decision
points
are
here?
They
obviously
made
several
recommendations
for
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
B
They
want
to
have
the
council
consider
putting
in
a
Historic
Preservation
Commission
language.
They
would
like
museum
space
in
this
building,
as
well
as
a
separate
from
that.
The
comprehensive
plan
recommendations
which
we
could
take
up
at
another
time
once
we're
working
on
the
comp
plan
and
also
just
encouragement
for
the
council
to
work
with
CPI
Colorado
preservation,
Inc
on
looking
at
some
initiatives
that
could
be
CLG
light
esque.
If
you
will,
without
all
the
property
requirements
that
that
would
potentially
interfere
with
private
property
rights.
G
So
in
my
mind,
that's
probably
about
four
major
sort
of
topics:
the
Commission,
the
museum,
the
comp
plan,
recommendations,
the
CLG
idea
and
so
I.
Guess
what
I'd
like
to
propose
to
this
body
here
we've
got
45
minutes,
you
know!
Maybe
we
can
just
discuss
each
of
them
one
at
a
time.
You
know
perhaps
beginning
with
the
idea
of
having
a
body,
Commission,
I,
guess:
I'll,
kick
us
off
and
I'm
open
to
the
possibility
of
working
with
a
new
board
or
Commission
that
would
be
designated
towards
historic
preservation
here
in
Englewood.
H
Would
love
to
see
us
have
a
commission
of
some
sort?
I
would
not
want
to
conflate
the
Historic
Preservation
Society
with
it
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
what
they're
asking
for
either
but
I
don't
want
them
to
get
stuck
in
a
position
where
we're
trying
to
make
some
decisions
about
properties
and
history
and
so
forth,
and
then
the
Historic
Society
ends
up
being
tagged
with
that.
But
I
think
the
Commission
needs
to
be
an
autonomous
group
from
that.
H
It's
something
that
is
appointed
I
I
would
like
I
know,
I'm,
probably
the
only
one
here,
I'm
I,
don't
think
the
CLG
is
as
bad
a
group
as
you
all
are
lots
seem
to
think
it
is.
There
are
many
cities
that
have
used
it
and
not
acted
and
not
created
any
kind
of
next
step
of
you
know,
taking
land
or
anything.
It's
simply
to
set
up
discs,
clear
definitions
of
things
that
then
aesthetics
and
different
design.
Things
could
be
could
come
from
and
this
point
we
don't
have
anything
like
that.
H
J
G
N
Definitely
be
in
favor
of
starting
a
new
commission
with
a
history
focus
I
agree
with
councilmember
Olson.
It
might
be
good
to
have
the
Historic
Preservation
Society
separate
entity
from
this,
but
maybe
it
could
be
set
up,
something
like
they
have
a
liaison
with
that
group
to
kind
of
keep
the
communication
open.
We
would
just
probably
want
to
define
some
clear
boundaries,
so
the
two
groups
wouldn't
be
stepping
on
each
other's
toes
and
they
could.
It
could
really
help
them
focus
on
what
each
group
could
focus
on.
Thank.
E
I
still
haven't
got
the
answer.
Why
would
you
already
have
a
board
functioning
good
stuff
I,
just
don't
understand
why
they
wanted
as
part
of
our
boards.
That
I
mean
I,
think
they're
doing
well.
I'm
just
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
I
just
don't
understand
the
deep
benefit
of
it,
because
it
seems
like
other
than
the
validity
of
we're
a
city
board.
That's
probably.
E
B
I
actually
met
with
Doug
Cohen
and
several
the
members
of
the
Englewood
Historic
Preservation
Society,
and
asked
them
the
same
question
and
and
number
one.
It
is
having
legitimacy
of
the
city
behind
its
role,
but
it
goes
deeper
than
that.
I
think
also.
The
concern
is
they
have
a
number
of
artifacts
that
belong
to
the
society
and
I
think
their
concern
is
for
the
long-term
viability
and
sustainability
of
a
body
who's
not
going
anywhere
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
watch
you
over
those
artifacts
and
make
sure
that
they're
cared
for
appropriately.
B
C
Show
support
for
creating
a
board-
and
you
know
getting
an
actual
historical
I
shouldn't
say
an
actual
struggle
society,
but
getting
a
city,
r
and
part
of
that,
and
my
discussions
with
Matt,
Crabtree
and
stuff.
It
isn't
the
intention
for
them
to
to
be
able
to
do
all
of
the
historical
stuff
in
this
community.
They
would
like
to
have
the
city
with
its
own
board
doing
their
stuff
and
they
can
help
with
that.
M
Actually
am
in
favor
of
having
a
Historic,
Preservation,
Commission,
also
and
and
I
do
think
they.
They
asked
for
representation
from
the
society
on
the
board,
but
not
that
the
whole
board
would
be
moved
over
and
I
and
that
I
think
they
intend
to
continue
in
the
mode
that
they
are
right
now,
but
then
it
would
just
they
would
have
representation
on
council
also
or
with
council.
Thank.
L
Think
at
the
meeting
that
we
attended,
they
had
mentioned
that
some
of
the
partner
of
board
a
legitimate
board
being
set
up
with
the
city
would
give
some
credibility
to
the
some
of
the
grants
and
the
projects
that
they're
trying
to
do,
and
so
they've
been
moaned
that
a
little
we
can't
I'm
totally
I,
wouldn't
be
in
favor
of
us
setting
any
guidelines
or
boundaries
at
all.
They
are
their
own
private,
501c3,
they're
their
own
organization.
L
We
have
no
control
over
the
historic
preservation,
but
if,
if
we
do
a
board,
then
we
make
the
decision
who
gets
on
that.
They
have
asked
for
representation,
but
we
can't
set
up
anything
guidelines
between
I
mean
we
have
no
control
over
them,
that
their
own
organization
and
they'll
remain.
That
I
think
Eric's
made
a
good
point.
That
they've
also
said
that
they
have
had
some
concerns
about
some
the
stewardship
over
some
of
the
material
and
that
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more
consistent
and
stable
with
the
city
with
the
city
board.
L
And
then,
of
course,
if
it
was
a
city
board
and
our
stuff
we'd
have
to
house
it.
We'd
have
to
take
care
of
it,
and
we'd
have
to
so
I
mean
I
bet,
I
get
their
point.
Otherwise,
the
concern
in
the
past
is
that
some
of
its
been
pilfered
or
all
of
a
sudden,
it
ends
up
somewhere
in
somebody's
attic
or
whatever,
and
they
pass,
and
nobody
knows
what
it
is
or
where
it
goes,
and
so
you
lose
that
chain
of
kind
of
custody
of
who
all
it
belongs
to.
L
H
H
We
would
have
benefited
greatly
from
it
in
the
past,
particularly
thinking
about
the
Depot
neighborhoods
like
Arapaho
Acres
would
certainly
benefit
from
this,
at
least
to
get
some
direction
or
no,
the
city
is
going
to
be
moving
forward
and
helping
them
on
something
or
not.
I.
Think
it's
really
it's
an
I
think
the
hard
thing
about
this
is
just
to
I.
Think
we're
not
going
to
just
develop
a
board
that
just
sits
there.
H
What
isn't
and
I'm
sure
the
Preservation
Society
would
love
to
help
with
that,
but
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
see
it
as
going
further
than
what
we're
usually
comfortable
with,
and
it's
not
I
think
if
we
keep
talking
about
land
takings,
we're
never
gonna
get
we're
never
going
to
make
some
bold
decisions
about
preserving
parts
of
angle,
wood
that
needs
some
reconsidering
and
having
design
ideas.
That
might
be
important
for
some
areas
and
not
others
so
I
think
there
are
so
many
cities
around
us
that
have
done
this.
H
J
G
You
know,
and
I
would
say
that
you
know
I
think
we
do
have
some
consensus
around
this.
You
know
I'm
hearing
from
the
council
that
certainly
this
is
going
to
be
a
separate
entity
from
you
know
the
501
C
3
that
currently
exists
and
that
they
would
be
applying
through
Council
for
council
appointment
and
that
they
aren't
necessarily
mutually
exclusive,
but
any
member
who
would
be
appointed.
We
need
to
go
through
a
process
of
applying
and
being
appointed
by
this
body.
So
I
guess
we'd
like
to
see
some
language
sort
of
coming
forward.
G
I
think
the
reason
why
I
think
is
a
recognition
of
this
council
that
our
historic
history
is
unique
and
is
one
of
our
sort
of
unique
selling
points
of
our
community
and
I.
Think
that
the
initial
mission
of
this
body-
at
least
you
know
from
at
the
very
beginning,
would
just
to
be
look
for
opportunities
to
highlight
our
historic
significance
here
in
the
community.
G
I
think
they
can
bring
those
sort
of
ideas
forward
to
this
body
one
at
a
time,
and
we
can
sort
of
decide
how
deep
we
want
to
go
sort
of
down
this
rabbit
hole.
If
you
will,
but
in
my
mind
you
know
the
mission
would
be
relatively
broad
at
first
just
looking
for
opportunities
for
historic
preservation
in
the
community.
You
know
again
my
intention
with
all
historic
preservation
issues
are
really
to
do
them
on
a
voluntary
basis,
I'm
not
looking
to
tread
on
anybody's
private
property
rights.
G
They
have
been
working
with
Dorothy
Hargrove
down
there
to
do
a
basic
display
in
one
of
the
areas
it's
very
attractive,
I
think
the
slides
that
we
saw
from
cahoots
give
us
an
idea
of
what
a
display
could
look
like
timeline.
Type
of
display
could
be
very
attractive
and
again,
I
think
really
help.
People
see
us
as
uniquely
desirable
place
to
be
and
see
that
unique
history
that
we
are
so
proud
of.
Rita.
B
G
We
can
have
that
conversation
if
this
counsel
says
hey.
This
is
something
more
we
can
explore.
You
know.
I
would
think
that
city
manager's
office
could
could
explore
those
possibilities
a
little
more
in
depth.
Then
you
can
come
back
with
some
of
those
options,
so
I
think
it's
certainly
something.
That's
can
remain
on
the
table
and
is
open
for
discussion
this
evening,
Rick
I'm.
N
G
J
H
It's
unused
space,
it's
it's
such
an
unwelcoming,
weird
place
other
than
that
pic
and
trolley,
but
I
I
think
why
not
announce
the
whole
thing.
Is
history
Englewood
when
you
walk
in
that
was
downstairs
doors
and
then
create
some
kind
of
a
walking
thing
that
goes
up
and
around
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
enough
to
do
that
with,
but
if
we,
if
we
get
going
enough
on
it,
what
people
will
start
to
surrender
things
to
me?
H
H
That's
valuable
in
its
own
right,
but
now
all
of
a
sudden
is
open
to
the
public
for
all
of
us
to
see
for
free,
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
that
should
happen
as
this
gets
kind
of
creative
and
going
so
I'm
in
favor,
of
creating
some
kind
of
a
walking
tour
and
something
I
don't
think
they
need
a
room
or
something
I
think
that
will
just
make
it
be.
No
one's
gonna
go
to
it,
but
I.
Think
if
you
embed
it
it'd
be
really
cool.
N
Something
else
along
those
lines
the
culture
Arts
Commission
has
talked
about,
has
kicked
around
an
idea
about
expanding
the
art
bus,
the
art
shuttle
to
kind
of
incorporate
historical
sites
throughout
angle,
wood
and
said
it
would
be
really
maybe
kind
of
cool.
If
at
some
of
the
particular
historic
points
in
the
city,
we
put
some
kind
of
like
photo
display
or
something
of
what
it
looks
like
before,
or
historical
facts
about
the
locations
and
that's
just
another,
something
that
the
culture
Arts
Commission
is
kicked
around.
Yeah.
G
I
love
that
idea,
like
you
said,
we
do
a
good
job
with
embedding
some
art,
but
maybe
there
needs
to
be
some
embedded
information
for
historical
significance
as
well.
I
love
that
I'm
hearing
pretty
broad
support
for
finding
some
space
for
this
type
of
a
display.
It
sounds
like
Council
wants
to
kind
of
chew
on
some
more
opportunities.
We
heard
some
really
good
ones
tonight
about
I'm
using
the
40
a
there.
Where
the
cart
is.
G
We
heard
some
comments
about
the
second
floor
at
library
inside
the
library
I
think
these
are
all
very
reasonable
ideas,
so
perhaps
you
guys
could
come
forward
and
bring
us
some
what
you
guys
recommend
as
far
as
space
and
and
maybe
some
alternatives
that
we
can
kind
of
chew
on
and
kick
around
as
a
group
to
find
out
what
we
think
is
going
to
be
most
beneficial
to
the
community.
The
separate
issue,
I
suppose,
is
ownership
of
historic
materials.
You
know
if
we
did
start
taking
stuff
from
folks.
G
I
would
think
that
we
would
want
a
policy
in
place.
I
think
you
know
part
of
what's
happened
in
the
past.
Is
that
folks
were
collecting
things
from
people
in
the
community,
both
from
a
non-profit
as
well
as
the
sense
in
the
city
sort
of
ended
up
with
some
of
it
and
I?
Just
think
that
we
need
to
decide
what
we
want
to
take
first
of
all
very
clearly,
so
that
we're
not
taking
stuff
that
we're
not
wanting
and
and
sort
of
having
to
Stewart
that
for
in
perpetuity
and
then
number
two.
G
N
With
the
Culture
Arts
Commission
also
had
a
big
undertaking
recently
well
in
the
last
probably
two
years
to
archive
all
of
the
art
that
the
city
owns
and
they
started
it
from
scratch
and
they
started.
You
know
with
the
spreadsheet.
Where
is
it
who
donated
it?
Who
does
it
belong
to
now
all
those
kinds
of
things,
and
then
they
uploaded
it
to
I?
N
Think
it's
a
public
art
archive,
so
it's
an
online
inventory
so
that,
if
any
of
you
know
the
members
in
the
future
need
a
reference
where
it
is,
who
owns
it,
how
much
it
was
paid
for
whatever
it's
all
in
one
place,
so
that
might
be
I'm
sure,
there's
some
kind
of
comparable
online
tool
for
historic
information.
Great.
G
List
for
us
might
also
be
one
of
the
things
that
they
could
kind
of
work
on
initially
and
sort
of
identify.
What
they
think
is
is
substantial,
and
so
we
can
start
to
consolidate
that
and
I
think
the
Preservation
Society
started
working
on
something
like
that
and
I
think
we
can
kind
of
coordinate,
maybe
pick
up
where
they
left
off
on
some
of
those
projects
again
I'd
like
to
transition
us
to
the
CLG,
the
certified
local
government
discussion
idea,
you
know,
I'll
kick
us
off.
G
I
guess:
I
have
generally
open
to
the
concept
as
well
I.
You
know,
certainly,
in
my
opinion,
don't
want
anything
that
again
is
going
to
infringe
on
folks
as
private
property
rights
I'm.
Looking
for
something
that
works
with
voluntary
property
owners
currently
and
I.
Think
that
in
the
presentation
that
we
saw
that
was
scheduled
by
the
Historic
Preservation
Society,
we
saw
that
there's
a
whole
range
of
possibilities
with
CLG.
All
the
way
from
you
know
very
heavy
regulations
that
would
infringe
on
people's
rights.
That
is
very
controversial.
G
I
think
needs
to
have
a
long-term
discussion
versus
all
the
way
down
to
something
that
has
very
little
teeth
and
looks
for
just
voluntary
opportunities,
which
is
the
more
of
the
end
of
the
spectrum.
That
I
would
you
know,
be
interested
in
I.
Don't
think
we
necessarily
have
to
go
down
the
CLG
route.
I
think
it's
one
of
the
possibilities
for
us,
but
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
as
long
as
we
stay
on
that
voluntary
end
of
the
spectrum
that
that
it
shouldn't
be
too
difficult
and
could
be
a
viable
tool
for
us,
Rick.
E
The
owners
died
and
it
was
put
up
for
sale
and
the
the
estate
could
hardly
sell
this
house
because
it's
number
one
functionally
obsolete
anybody
who
wanted
to
buy
it
would
want
to
change.
It
was
a
hundred
and
seven
year
old
home
that
needed
drastic
up.
You
know,
and
they
had
so
many
rules.
That
I
think
was
last
I
checked.
It
was
you
know,
hadn't
been
sold
for
six
months
and
I
worry
that
you
know
something
like
that.
E
Could
you
know
that
may
not
be
the
intent
of
of
me
and
my
wife,
but
if
my
kids
try
to
sell
and
I
know
what
you
do
to
me
now,
you've
made
it
to
where
I
can't
sell
this
house,
or
you
know,
I'm
out
on
the
estate.
I
worry
about
those
things
that
I
definitely
am
concerned.
The
well
I
trust
just
about
everybody
here
you
know.
Do
who
do
we
know
is
gonna
be
running
in
the
future?
E
Could
the
robots
just
be
saying
you
know
what
the
house
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
obviously
being
facetious,
but
I
I'm
just
concerned
about
that
uncomfortable
with
the
government,
our
local
entities
dictating
what
should
be
and
what
should
not
I
agree.
If
you
want
your
home,
you
find
benefit
just
make
sure
you're
the
heirs
of
that
property
understand
what
you're
doing
how
to
deal
with
it
as
well.
That's
all.
J
E
H
Cuz
because
I
think
the
rules
have
changed
so
I
know
of
several
properties
only
from
some
other
things
that
have
had
some
pretty
strict
restrictions
and
they
were
able
to
actually
make
some
changes
because
they
didn't
have
the
environmental
things
that
they
needed.
They
were
in
a
DEA
compliant,
and
yet
they
were
open
to
other
people.
They're
meant
to
be
homes
open
to
other
people
too,
but
I
think
we
should
look
at
that.
So
I
mean
no
I.
H
Don't
think
anybody
wants
anyone
to
get
in
that
situation,
but
if
parents
do
it
yeah,
that's
again
voluntary
they
chose
to
do
it
on
that
house
you're
right.
They
should
talk
to
the
kids,
but
maybe
that's
why
they
did
because
they
knew
the
kids
would
not.
But
I
do
think.
There
are
some
benefits
to
the
CLG
in
terms
of
grants
that
we
are
gonna
need
if
we're
gonna.
H
If
we're
serious
about
this
and
I
love
it
that
under
their
slide
under
live
when
I
know
we're
getting
off
but
they're
talking
about
in
the
comprehensive
plans
who
doesn't
retain
historic
character
and
form
in
our
established
neighborhoods.
What
does
that
really
mean?
And
how
do
we
do
that?
It's
really
one
thing
for
someone
in
Arapahoe
acres
to
say
that
and
then
a
next-door
neighbor
say,
but
wait
a
minute
so
I
think
a
CLG
could
help
give
us
access
to
data
from
around
the
country,
different
kinds
of
neighborhoods.
H
We
don't
have
to
make
any
loss
from
it
or
any
new
zoning
or
overlays
or
anything
can
simply
be,
and
you
can
just
you
can
unjoin
it
I.
Think
too
so
I
don't
think
she
decide.
This
thing
doesn't
work
for
us
anymore.
We
don't
do
it,
but
I
think
there
might
be
a
lot
of
I'd
love
to
hear
from
them
again
and
particularly
have
cities
that
haven't
you
to
the
extent
that
some
people
are
worried,
we
might
use
it,
but
there's
another
entity
I'm
open
to
that.
To
other.
J
H
A
H
G
Know
and
I
agree:
I
think
that
Rikai,
the
nightmare
scenario
you
pointed
out
I
think
would
you
know,
certainly
want
to
be
avoided
by
this
body
and
I.
My
intent
of
going
down
this
road
is
not
to
have
anyone
involuntarily
end
up
in
that
situation.
I
guess
I
would
wonder
whether
that
situation
was
a
result
of
a
CLG
designation
or
if
that
was
just
more
of
a
result
of
voluntary
restrictions
put
on
the
deed,
either
through
the
federal
or
state
designation
process.
A
L
Maybe
my
gut
feeling
is
that
they'd
be
more
prone
to
try
to
do
it,
but
I
would
like
that
more
information
come
from
them
and
see
what
their
feel
is
and
working
with
the
Historic
Preservation
Society
as
well.
My
first
I
attended
that
meeting
for
CLG
and
I
have
some
real
huge
concerns
about
getting
involved
with
that,
it's
kind
of
like
taking
the
money
for
the
Paseo.
We
can't
sell
that
we
got
to
pay
that
money
back.
L
You
had
to
go
all
in
to
really
get
the
grants
or
the
money
of
the
funding
and
stuff.
So
maybe
that
would
be
a
good
thing
for
the
board
to
examine.
So
we
take
a
little
bit
of
time
before
we
go
jump
into
something
I
mean
we've
just
got
the
board
going.
We
might
as
well
give
them
an
opportunity
to
see
the
pros
and
cons
in
the
community
feel
for
it.
So
they
could
do
some
outreach
as
well.
Maybe
there's
a
bigger
hue
and
cry
for
it
than
we
thought.
Who
knows.
C
Yes,
we
want
to
create
our
own
little
district,
and
a
few
individuals
within
that
group
would
end
up
having
to
either
depending
upon
how
strict
the
policies
are
may
have
to
alter
their
structure
back
to
original
standards
and,
frankly,
I
know
they
do
this,
but
I
don't
know
how
they
get
away
with
it,
because
we
have
energy
standards
now
that
has
to
be
met,
and
it's
basically
physically
impossible
to
hit
some
of
the
insulation
issues
in
older
structures.
There's
just
not
enough
space
in
the
in
the
roof
or
in
the
walls.
C
G
So
you
know,
we've
heard
the
recommendation
of
perhaps
you
know
letting
our
Commission
sort
of
weigh
in
and
make
a
recommendation
I
like
that
idea,
I'm
open
to
that
idea.
You
know
I,
think
that
there's
more
than
one
way
to
sort
of
skin
a
cat
here
and
I
think
that
I
honestly
I
feel
like
what
we're
discussing
is
probably
more
of
a
stylistic
kind
of
thing
of
whether
we
want
to
call
it
a
CLG
or
what
type
of
a
process
or
what
type
of
entity.
G
C
C
H
Let's
make
sure
that
everyone
knows
that
that
they
won't
be
deciding
anything,
Council
will
have
to
be
the
ones
who
anything
goes
through
and
it
would
if
it's
involved
with
zoning
or
overlays
or
anything
has
to
go
through
Planning
and
Zoning
to
before
it
gets
to
us.
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
safeguards
along
the
way,
but
I
think
more
information
to
be
really
helpful.
I
think
that
night,
that
most
of
us
were
at
that
meeting
in
here
was
really
oddly
sort
of
it.
H
H
So
we
have
our
own
into
kind
of
interaction
with
them
and
not
hijacking
someone
else's
meeting,
because
I
started
to
want
to
ask
a
whole
lot
of
questions
so,
but
I
didn't
feel
CLG
CLG
because
directly,
because
we
were
here
that
night
and
really
I
didn't
think
it
was
our
meeting
to
try
and
ask
a
lot
of
questions.
Bad,
a
lot
more
questions.
H
Historic
Preservation
Society
had
planned
it
that
night,
so
I
would
I
would
want
to
do
that.
But
I
do
think
that
we're
finding
reasons
to
have
this
commission
and
they
we're
gonna,
have
to
give
them
some
direction
and
I
hope
that
we
will
be
the
ones
who
come
up
with
their
mission,
because
I
think
that
will
help
us
decide
what
it
is.
H
G
So
Linda's
suggesting
perhaps
that
we
take
a
little
bit
of
a
step
back
and
decide.
You
know
more
clearly,
perhaps
what
the
mission
of
the
Commission
is,
but
it
sounds
like
you're
open
to
the
possibility
of
them
sort
of
taking
on
this
idea
of
a
recommendation
with
the
CLG
once
we
kind
of
get
them
up.
G
G
Thank
you
so
by
ordinance,
but
that
would
give
us
some
opportunity
to
craft
some
language
regarding
what
they're
you
know
purpose
is
you
know,
would
the
council
like
to
go
above
and
beyond?
What's
in
that
ordinance
because
I,
don't
you
know
it's
not
as
clearly
stated
as
a
mission
statement,
but
it
does
give
you
know
tons
of
information
about
you
know
what
they
should
be
doing,
and
why
is
that
satisfactory?
Or
do
you
think
that
we
need
some
separate,
more
discussions
regarding
that
scope.
G
I
think
that's
what
they'll
do
I
think
they'll
bring
forward
in
ordinance
for
first
reading.
That
would
give
us
some
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
the
language
and
start
to
craft
it
and
change
it.
If
we
felt
necessary,
you
know
urban
renewal.
The
other
reason
I
bring
this
up.
I
guess
is
because,
like
urban
renewal
you
know
they
have
a
you
know
they
were,
you
know,
produced
by
some
sort
of
legal
authority
and
that
there's
some
language
there,
but
they
also
have
adopted
their
own
mission
statement.
G
H
I
really
do
think
we
should
be
involved
in
the
mission
statement
cuz.
We
could
give
them
a
mission.
We
don't
agree
to
like
become
a
CLG
or
something
that's
probably
not
what
we
all
want
here
so
I
think
we
need
to
toss
it
around
here,
make
sure
we
know
what
we're
asking
them
to
do.
Miss
miss
assigned
people
to
who
believe
that
without
a
clear
understanding,
and
then
they
all
try
and
work
together
on
a
vision
and
just
have
a
huge
blow-up.
G
I
think
we've
done
some
of
that
tonight,
I
again
I
guess
my
recommendation
would
be:
let's
see
what
language
comes
forward
from
staff
regarding
on
first
reading
and
then
decide
whether
we
feel
like
that's
adequate
language
or
whether
we
need
to
have
a
separate
meeting.
You
know
to
discuss
the
mission
statement
of
this
group.
Is
that
fair,
seeing
a
lot
of
sort
of
heads
nodding
comp
plan
information,
they
did
make
several
recommendations
regarding
the
comp
plan.
G
G
What
others
would
anybody
like
to
weigh
in?
We
do
have
about
ten
minutes
left
here.
If
anybody
would
like
to
weigh
in
on
any
of
the
comp
plan
related
issues
later
tonight,
we
will
get
an
update,
I
believe
were
scheduled
for
an
update
under
city
manager's
choice
this
evening,
regarding
potentially
changing
structure
of
study
sessions
and
things
we
did
discuss
that
a
little
bit
so
I
think
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
consider
that
change.
J
H
G
We
need
yeah
the
recommendations
not
only
for
this
body,
but
we
also
need
to
you
know.
Our
cheat
sheet
is
what
we've
been
kind.
There's
only
been
a
couple
of
points
that
we've
identified
thus
far
in
our
efforts,
and
so
I
guess
with
this
body
like
to
consider
those
historic
issues
at
our
next
comp
plan
meeting
or
would
you
prefer
to
kind
of
loop
back
around
to
historical
issues
at
the
end
or
as
they
come
up
or
does
anybody
have
any
preference
seeing
no
real,
strong
opinions
of
it?
I.