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I. Englewood City Center - Redevelopment Opportunities and Critical Next Steps
a) Redevelopment Manager Dan Poremba will be present to discuss the Englewood City Center Redevelopment Opportunities.
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B
C
A
Good
evening,
everyone,
this
is
the
study
session
of
City
Council
for
the
city
of
Englewood
on
January,
7
and
6:00
p.m.
tonight.
Our
study
session
is
focused
on
the
Englewood
city
center.
The
redevelopment
opportunities
and
critical
next
steps,
and
here
tonight
to
present
to
us
our
the
redevelopment
manager,
dan
marimba,
as
well
as
Brad
power
I,
believe,
is
gonna.
Help
with
this
and
they've
asked
that
we
let
them
go
through
their
PowerPoint
and
present
without
us
interrupting
with
questions
yet
but
mark
down.
A
C
We
really
have
a
great
opportunity
to
redevelop
Andrea
Salish
city
center
as
the
city's
central
place.
So
we
look
at
redevelopment
as
significantly
improving
city,
centers,
mix
of
uses
activity,
levels,
walkability,
financial
sustainability,
property
values
and
related
real-estate
and
sales
taxes
for
the
city,
as
well
as
some
other
development,
related
revenues.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
and
we'll
talk
about
this
several
times
tonight.
The
urgency
of
the
opportunity
is
not
driven
by
us.
C
It's
not
it's
really,
driven
by
the
specifics
of
the
foreclosure
and
the
resale
of
the
property
by
the
interim
owner
or
c3
asset
management.
They
will
start
their
marketing
process
here
during
the
first
quarter
and
they
will
expose
the
opportunity
to
a
national
market
and
so
what
our
opportunities
are
really
driven
largely
by
their
schedule
and
by
the
market
conditions
that
exist
in
the
marketplace.
C
Right
now,
we're
really
going
to
focus
tonight
on
five
recommended
steps
to
protect
the
city's
interest
as
a
starting
play
and
then
start
to
define
the
new
redevelopment
opportunities
with
your
consent
to
these
next
steps.
It
will
quickly
lead
to
more
specifically
recommendations
for
your
review
and
approval.
C
We
talk
about
lost
opportunities
to
increase,
englewood
property
taxes,
sales
taxes
and
other
revenues,
and
also
we'll
talk
about
this
to
reduce
the
city's
long-term
occupancy
expenses
related
to
this
building
in
general,
there
are
lost
opportunities
to
leverage
the
city
center
redevelopment
to
really
kind
of
reestablish
englewood
on
the
on
the
local
radar
as
a
viable,
competitive
metro,
location
for
employers,
retailers
and
and
residents.
So
here's
a
quick
overview
you're
very
familiar
with
it.
C
The
fifty
five
acres
that
comprise
the
overall
englewood
city
center
area
and
here
is
a
site
plan
that
shows
in
gross
acreages.
The
two
parcels
that
were
really
focusing
on
the
c3
parcel
is
in
red
and
it's
about
15.2,
grouse
acres,
the
partial
that's
in
blue
is
land,
that's
either
owned
or
controlled
by
the
city
and
or
efj,
and
that
tolls
just
under
12
acres
and
just
for
future
reference.
These
are
gross
acreages.
They
don't
represent
deductions
for
right,
aways
for
streets,
or
things
like
that.
So
these
will
change
in
the
net.
C
Acreage
that's
available
for
redevelopment
is
actually
less
than
that.
One
of
the
things
we'll
see
or
and
have
discussion
about
is
the
optimal
long-term
benefits
for
us,
for
the
city
really
come
from
encouraging
and
guiding
the
coordinated
redevelopment
between
the
weingarden
parcel
again
in
red
and
the
city
parcel
in
blue
and
acting
with
a
sense
of
urgency
again
driven
by
market
conditions
and
by
the
timing.
Ac3
asset
management,
the
c3
property,
where
the
city
will
really
have
the
opportunity
to
influence
what
happens
with
the
c3
property.
C
Is
that
buyers
prospective
buyers
of
that
property
will
be
approaching
the
city.
It's
already
started
to
happen
well
where
they
will
want
to
discuss
ideas
for
redeveloping
that
acreage.
They'll
want
to
discuss
the
city's
willingness
to
extend
and
amend
the
ground.
Lease
and
they'll
also
want
to
discuss
the
city's
plans
for
its
adjacent
property,
because
very
likely.
C
What
will
happen
is
that
the
greatest
value
here
is
where
a
interested
buyer
will
want
to
see
the
opportunity
not
only
to
acquire
the
c3
property
and
redevelop
it,
but
also
to
work
with
the
city
and
explore
the
redevelopment
potential
on
the
adjacent
parcels
controlled
by
the
city.
We
have
been
talking
to
c3
to
try
to
encourage
their
collaboration
and
to
avoid
their
temptation
to
just
sell
the
property
on
a
highly
discounted
basis
to
a
buyer
that
would
be
only
interested
in
the
short-term
operation
of
the
former
Weingarten
assets.
C
That's
really
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
and
so
we
want
to
try
to
influence
the
selection
of
the
ultimate
buyer
as
much
as
we
can,
and
one
of
the
things
we'll
talk
about
without
dwelling
on
the
detail
of
it
is
that
the
foreclosure
really
allowed
a
major
repricing
of
of
the
Weingarten
property.
It's
our
estimate
that
the
ultimate
resale
of
that
property
probably
will
result
in
a
loss
somewhere
between
10
and
20
million
dollars
to
c3
and
its
debt
holders.
C
So
what
that
effectively
does
is
it
allows
a
buyer
to
come
in
and
look
at
that
and
and
determine
how
much
they
can
add
on
to
that
amount
to
that
discounted
amount
and
have
a
redevelopment
scenario
make
economic
sense.
So,
in
effect,
the
foreclosure
allows
new
buyers
to
look
at
that
property
with
brand-new
eyes
in
a
way
that
Weingarten
never
could,
and
on
top
of
that,
then
the
city
has
leveraged
to
really
influence
those
discussions
because
of
the
fact
that
those
assets
sit
on
top
of
this
ground
lease
from
Eve.
C
The
city
property
again
just
about
12
acres,
includes
this
building
its
associated
parking,
the
parking
lot
north
of
Englewood
station,
that's
ground,
leased
by
the
city
from
the
Selby
family
and
various
Eve
controlled
land
adjacent
to
the
station
there.
As
with
the
c3
parcel,
the
redevelopment
of
the
city
property
would
generate
significant
new
revenues
for
in
would
redo
reduced
long
term
city
occupancy
costs
related
to
staying
in
the
Civic
Center
building,
as
is,
and
just
generally
contribute
to
a
more
desirable,
financially
sustainable,
mixed-use
walkable
city
center.
C
Policy
pertaining
to
the
city
property
number
three
is
preparation
of
a
non-binding
developer
request
for
proposals
to
explore
redevelopment
of
the
city
property
number
four
is
a
negotiation
of
a
second
phase
professional
services
contract
with
tribal
architects.
You
may
recall:
they've
been
working
under
an
initial
phase
contract
just
to
prepare
for
our
conversations
with
c3,
then
number
five
is
the
necessary
scheduling
of
executive
sessions
and
one-on-one
councilmember
briefings
as
necessary
to
facilitate
the
timely
discussion
of
confidential
real
estate
matters
going
forward.
C
We'll
explain
the
importance
of
that
regarding
special
counsel,
it's
really
kind
of
a
straightforward
proposal.
This
has
been
formed
in
discussions
with
the
city
attorney.
It's
really
felt
that
we
need
specialized
outside
expertise
to
assist
us
in
dealing
with
the
ground
lease
issues
and
then
the
potential
conversion
of
the
ground
leads
to
a
public-private
partnership
arrangement,
so
the
recommended
special
counsel.
We
anticipate
they'll,
also
assist
in
drafting
the
unsolicited
proposal
policy
for
councils
later
review.
C
It's
generally
expected
that
the
general
current
general
counsel
will
stay
in
place
and
continue
to
advise
efj
on
general
eath
matters,
but
not
have
to
deal
with
the
kind
of
the
technical,
specific
issues
related
to
the
ground.
Lease
we've
started
working
on
an
RFQ
for
outside
legal
services
and
again
with
your
consent.
Following
this
evenings
conversation,
we're
prepared
to
work
with
the
Sydney,
Attorney's,
Office
and
and
quickly
move
forward
with
a
procurement
process
and
then
come
back
to
the
each
board.
And/Or
you
with
a
specific
outside
counsel
for
your
approval
on
the
unsolicited
proposal
policy.
C
As
mentioned
really
here
on
one
or
both
parcels.
We
have
the
opportunity
for
what's
now
referred
to
often
as
a
public/private
partnership
or
or
p3
project,
and
that's
simply
a
situation
where
the
city
contributes
property,
and/or
development
rights
in
exchange,
private
development
partners
contribute
capital
and
expertise
and
they
assume
various
redevelopment
risks.
So,
in
connection
with
these
p3
projects,
unsolicited
proposal
policies
are
becoming
more
used
and
more
adopted
by
state
and
city
governments
to
facilitate
and
expedite
the
formation
of
these
partnerships.
C
Is
that,
as
the
buyers
start
to
look-
and
this
will
happen
fairly
quickly
at
the
c3
partial,
it's
very
likely
that
they
will
approach
the
city
with
proposals
for
redevelopment
of
the
city-owned
property.
So
at
that
point
the
city
needs
to
be
in
a
position
to
respond
potentially
to
those
proposals,
consider
them
and
are
enter
into
new
negotiations
and
a
unsolicited
proposal
policy
will
equip
the
city
to
do
that
at
the
same
time,
and
this
may
seem
a
little
bit
contrary.
C
C
In
fact,
if
the
insolence
of
proposal
policy
scenario
was
successful,
but
even
if
it
was
never
issued,
just
the
preparation
of
the
RFP
will
position
the
the
city
really
to
be
put
in
the
best
position
to
respond
to
and
lead
different
redevelopment
scenarios
with
different
different
potential
partner.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
action
to
take,
and
it's
a
prudent
thing
to
do
at
this
particular
time.
C
Our
fourth
recommendation
is
to
basically
allow
us
Community
Development
Department,
to
move
forward
with
negotiations
with
tribal
architects
for
continued
redevelopment
planning
services
here
at
City
Center.
Those
planning
services
will
again
really
just
prepare
the
city
to
respond
to
a
number
of
different
scenarios
and
I've
listed
those
in
the
final
bullet
point
and
they
range
from
extending
and
amending
the
c3
ground
lease
to
responding
to
unsolicited
proposal.
C
Proposals
that
may
come
in
I
think
tribal
services
will
also
help
formulate
a
developer,
RFP
and
respond
to
potential
responses
to
that.
Rfp
I
would
see
that,
and
we've
discussed
this
with
driver
that
during
a
next
phase
of
services,
they
would
be
involved
in
making
at
least
one
probably
more
presentations
to
counsel
about
redevelopment
plans
for
city
center.
They
would
also
be
the
main
facilitator
for
outreach
to
the
public
in
terms
of
taking
public
input
on
various
redevelopment
scenarios
and
strategies,
and
then
number
five
is
really
our
recommendation.
C
And
again,
this
is
kind
of
a
standard
protocol
for
local
governments
that,
as
discussions
with
unfold
with
c3,
it's
really
critical
for
the
City
Council
to
be
positioned
to
have
confidential
discussions
about
key
options
and
strategies,
and
it's
it's
the
norm
for
confidential
information
not
to
be
discussed
in
public
settings
especially
up
front.
These
include
the
names
of
proposing
firms,
council
directed
negotiating
strategies,
property
values,
potential
transaction
structures
and
the
like.
C
Eventually,
all
of
that
would
become
disclosed
to
the
public,
but
upfront
if
the
challenge
is,
if,
if
council
cannot,
for
whatever
reason,
keep
this
type
of
information
confidential,
many
potential
interested
parties
will
not
engage
in
the
process.
So
it's
it's
just
really
a
recommendation
that,
as
we
go
forward,
Council
be
available
to
schedule,
executive
sessions
and
I.
C
Think
in
combination
with
that,
we
can
use
one-on-one
briefings
to
really
facilitate
these
types
of
conversations
as
well
and
as
we
go
along,
bringing
you
up
to
speed,
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
your
input
on
a
real-time
basis
and
the
real-time
basis
is
really
going
to
be
the
critical
element
here.
It's
just
I
can't
stress
enough
that,
once
this
process
starts
much
of
the
timing
will
be
beyond
our
collective
control.
C
I've
been
as
to
funding
the
funding
sources.
For
these
five
steps
really
comes
from
a
combination
of
three
different
buckets.
If
you
will
one
is
the
2019
Community
Development
Department
professional
services
budget,
you
may
recall
that
we
recently
discussed
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
doctor
cog
station
area.
Master
planning
and
next
step
study
grant
that
application
following
your
approval,
was
submitted.
We've
gotten
some
encouraging
early
feedback
from
dr.
cog
and
so
we're
hoping
that
that
could
be
a
part
of
the
Tolle
funding
sources
for
these
next
five
steps.
C
Then,
of
course,
we've
talked
about
this
before
number
three
would
be
a
portion
of
Eve
central
cash,
unrestricted
balance.
That
was
three
hundred
almost
three
hundred
forty
four
thousand
as
of
the
end
of
the
third
quarter
of
2018,
and
that
whatever
was
available
to
fund
these
amounts
would
be
less
reserves
for
contingencies
and
the
audit
expenses
that
you
are
considering
I
think
it's
also
really
important
to
note
that
a
good
portion
of
these
expenses
very
likely
will
be
subject
to
reimbursement
to
the
city
from
future
transactions.
C
So,
although
we
certainly
would
have
to
fund
them
upfront,
there's
a
very
high
probability
that
a
high
percentage
of
them
would
be
returned
to
the
city.
You
know
within
a
fairly
modest
period
of
time
and
I.
That's
yet
I've
tried
to
rush
through
this
to
give
you
plenty
of
time
to
raise
questions
but
again,
I'll.
Just
conclude.
C
By
kind
of
pointing
out
that
the
we
have
a
really
really
unique
opportunity
here
to
intervene
in
a
real
estate
situation
and
I'm
speaking
about
the
Weingarten
property
that
it
for
all
likelihood
is
trending
downward
in
terms
of
the
collection
of
uses,
the
density
and
the
activity
there.
So
we
as
a
city
have
an
opportunity
to
intervene
early
in
that
situation
because
of
the
foreclosure.
D
Martinez
I
have
a
couple
questions.
I'll
just
start
with
one
as
far
as
their
special
counsel
step
is
that
going
to
be
something
that's
in
conjunction
with
our
City
Attorney's
Office
and
the
each
attorney
to
make
a
recommendation
and
then
go
forward
and
then
what
do
you
estimate
the
timeline
for
that
piece
of
the
decision?
Sure
we.
C
Yeah
we'd
like
to
get
the
if
special
counsel,
the
subject
Allison's
commentary
here
on
board
really
as
quickly
as
possible.
The
thought
is
that
the
RFQ
could
be
issued.
I
think
we're
we're
in
a
position
where
potentially
that
could
be
issued
this
week,
we'd
probably
like
to
give
the
candidates
about
a
two
week
period
to
respond
and
have
somebody
on
board
to
really
help
us
really
as
soon
as
possible.
C
D
F
F
So
I
asked
about
the
Advisory
Committee
and
whether
or
not
this
group
would
take
the
place
of
the
beef
board
that
and
them
being
told
no.
You
talked
about
the
responsibilities
on
this
advisory
committee.
They
won't
be
dealing
with
the
technical
matters
specific
to
the
the
land,
but
but
really
overseeing
when.
F
C
Really,
primarily,
one
human,
although
the
expertise
would
reside
with
with
the
law
firm
that
they
represent,
because
it's
a
combination
of
ground
lease
expertise
and
public-private
partnership,
expertise
that
we're
looking
to.
But
the
general
idea
is
that
they
would
have
advised
the
the
City
Attorney's
Office
community
development,
as
well
as
City
Council
on
various
matters
pertaining
to
the
ground
lease,
as
well
as
the
opportunities
to
kind
of
convert
that
to
a
public
private
partnership.
So
I
think
just
their
reporting
responsibilities.
If
you
will
will
be
broader
than
the
general
counsel
that
currently
represents
Eve.
B
Thank
You
mr.
primer
I
appreciate
the
presentation
and
I
too,
have
a
series
of
questions,
but
I'll
start
off
with
just
one
or
two,
the
first
one
being
that
you
presented
the
potential
source
of
funds
that
would
pay
for
these
five
next
steps.
What
is
the
estimated
total
of
those
next
steps,
though?
I
saw
these
sources
of
funds
potential
sources
of
funds,
but
what
would
the
expense
be
for
those
steps?
I
think.
C
The
aunt
the
aunt,
the
simple
answer
to
that
is
at
this
point
we
don't
know-
and
a
lot
of
that
is
really
dependent
on
the
level
of
detail
that
we
get
into
with
ce3
and
their
perspective
buyers
about
ground
lease
issues
about
how
much
they
might
want
to
renegotiate
the
ground
lease,
how
much
specific
time
and
expertise
of
of
tribal
architects
we
need
as
we
get
into
later
stages.
So
at
this
point
we
don't
know
I
think
we
we
mentioned
that
as
we
would
go
along
and
start
to
implement
these
five
steps.
C
B
C
G
We
talk
about
the
just
the
timing
of
the
steps
in
terms
of
obviously
there's
a
lot
to
happen.
Obviously,
with
c3
selling
the
property,
then
you
know
special
counsel,
the
preparation
of
the
proposal
policy
and
the
RFP
are
all
these
done
concurrently
or
do
we
have
to
wait
for
one
to
happen
before
any
of
the
other?
What
is
the
timing
of
that?
All?
Looking
like
I.
C
Think
it's
a
good
question
in
a
perfect
world
we'd
like
to
move
forward
on
all
of
them
at
the
same
time.
Realistically,
the
most
important
step
is
to
get
the
SPECIAL
council
onboard
because,
to
a
certain
extent
they
will
influence
all
of
the
other
steps.
Okay
and
then
I
would
say
you
know
as
a
practical
matter,
it's
probably
fairly
easy
for
us
to
proceed
with
our
negotiations
with
traivor
and
come
back
to
Council,
with
a
specific
recommendation
for
what
their
next
phase
of
services
look
look
like,
and
you
know
the
the
willingness
to
schedule.
C
G
E
E
What
is
tribe
of
doing
in
terms
of
scoping
out
some
alternative
uses
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
community
can
provide
input
into,
and
then
that
goes
into
some
of
the
more
specialized
real
estate,
consulting
around
a
specific
negotiation
and
then
the
ultimate
outcome,
so
I
think
it
is
sitting
here
this
evening
we
can
kind
of
get
off
on
the
very
first
part
of
it.
Is
that
council
to
get
us
on
the
ground
floor?
E
Everyone
I
think
there's
a
real,
a
real
sense
that
if
c3
is
off
on
their
own,
there
could
be
a
real
estate
transaction
here
that
sets
us
kind
of
in
stone
for
another
15
or
20
years
here
and
the
site
based
on
this
new,
very
much
lower
valuation.
Somebody
can
make
money
here
doing
not
a
lot
of
difference
in
terms
of
the
retail.
A
lot
of
those
retailers
that
are
on
the
c3
site
now
are
experiencing
store,
closings
all
over
the
country,
and
so
the
last
thing
we
want
to
see
is
a
store.
That's
closed.
E
The
investors
still
getting
their
money
out
of
that
lease,
and
yet
we
don't
have
anybody
to
go
in
there,
and
so
the
the
the
intervention
I
think
on
the
city's
behalf,
whereas
dance
that
we're
at
this
critical
point
and
the
work
will
be
additive
as
we
get
further
into
it.
So
it's
very
hard
to
predict
because
we
don't
know
the
scope
of
the
interest.
Yet
until
we
get
out
there
in
the
marketplace
and.
C
I
might
just
add
to
Brad's
comments.
It
kind
of
reinforces
a
couple
of
them.
We
we
learned
before
the
holidays
that
c3
and
their
leasing
agent
are
considering
a
lease
of
an
auto
part
store
in
about
9,000
square
feet,
adjacent
to
Harbor
Freight,
that
that
has
two
negative
consequences.
First
of
all,
I
guess
I
would
contend
that
a
auto
parts
store
was
never
envisioned
for
our
frontage
on
Hampton.
It
goes
against
everything.
G
Unless
just
one
further
question
and
then
I'll
pass
thought
to
other
council
members,
but
regarding
the
special
council,
we
know
that
they're
gonna
be
doing
a
lot
with
the
preparation.
But
do
we
know
what
the
scope
of
their
project
is
due
the
last
without
the
entire
project?
Or
is
this
something
that
we
me
foresee
them
being
part
of
the
city
for
four
years
or
yeah?.
C
I
think
that
that's
that
shows
that
kind
of
the
variability
they
could
come
in
and
help
us
with
strictly
a
ground
lease
amendment,
and
you
know
if
it's
the
right
party
and
they
have
reasonable
requests
for
how
the
ground
lease
ought
to
be
amended
and
what
their
plans
are
for
the
future.
We
addressed
the
ground
lease
amendment.
We
address
what
an
Associated
redevelopment
plan.
If
they
have
one
is
and
we
go,
you
know
we
go
along
our
merry
way.
C
That
party
might
not
be
interested
in
the
city
redevelopment
scenarios
and
so
that's
taken
out
of
the
equation.
However,
if
all
of
a
sudden,
they
want
extensive
amendments
to
the
ground
lease,
they
want
to
provide
a
very
detailed
and
aggressive
redevelopment
plan,
and
they
also
want
to
tie
it
in
one
way
or
the
other
to
redevelopment
of
the
city
property.
Then
it
really
becomes
a
much
bigger
picture
public-private
partnership
type
of
arrangement
in
which
they
could
literally
be
helping
us
for
a
couple
of
years.
C
D
D
C
Good
news
from
their
perspective
is
on
average.
Their
remaining
lease
windows
are
generally
in
the
3
to
5
year
period,
so
they
don't
there's
not
a
lot
of
future
lease
term
unless
they
exercise
certain
renewal
options.
I
would
I
would
say
that
they're
aware
of
kind
of
the
uncertainty
about
the
current
situation
and
have
been
since
the
foreclosure
was
initiated
over
a
year
ago.
H
You
brought
up
about
tribe,
it
says
in
the
documentation
here
that
they're
uniquely
poised
to
continue
on
with
this,
because
they
were
the
original
architect
as
the
original
master
planning,
consultant
and
they're
notable
expertise
with
redevelopment
projects
and
transit
oriented
development.
So
they
were
the
original
architects
for
city
center.
They.
H
That's
and
I'm
kind
of
concerned,
because
what
we're
talking
about
is
that
it's
less
than
a
15
year
and
being
called
a
field
failed
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
whether
you're
saying
that
that
you
uniquely
places
them
because
they
will
learn
from
the
mistakes
that
they
made
here.
That
made
it
a
failed
or
whether,
because
we
can't
have
a
problem
with
what
was
created,
and
that
is
failing
and
then
say
we
want
somebody,
because
they
had
expertise
in
that
piece
of
it.
So
I
would
like
a
little
bit
more
clarification
and
using
tribe.
C
C
H
C
I
think
the
reality
is,
and
I
this
probably
gets
in
the
bigger
picture.
Discussions
as
it
relates
to
Eve
generally
in
the
context
of
the
redevelopment.
There's
a
thought
that
Eve's
future
and
he's
role
will
be
considered.
It's
very
possible
that
that
role
could
be
absorbed
by
the
private
sector
and
in
these
types
of
situations
it
typically
would
be.
We
don't
know
that
today,
generally,
is
relates
to
the
outside
council.
C
Think
we
would
ask
the
representatives
the
candidates
to
address
how
they've
played
that
role
in
other
situations,
where
they've
been
advising
both
the
government
entity
itself,
as
well
as
its
real
estate
entity,
but
I
think
the
ideas
they
would
be
representing
the
city
and
its
real
estate
and
the
efj,
and
they
would
have
no
opportunity
to
work
for
in
the
outside
firm
any
outside
firms
or
interested
parties.
They
would
be
are
retain
counsel,
then
I'll
just
move
ahead
and
address
tribe.
C
C
Awards
and
many
people
really
emulated
it.
It
was
early
on
in
the
evolution
of
transit,
oriented
development
projects,
and
you
know
so.
It
served
I
think
at
the
time
quite
well.
We've
seen
a
big
evolution
in
the
real
estate
industry
and
transit,
oriented
development,
and
particularly
the
retail
business.
Retail,
is
a
completely
different
animal
today
than
it
was
at
the
time
that
this
project
was
planned
as
well
as
is
density
mix
use
mobility.
All
those
topics
are
really
in
a
much
different
place
than
they
were
20
years
ago.
C
So
the
good
news
is
because
we
have
relatively
low
density,
lots
of
open
parking
and
the
fact
that
the
city
still
controls
a
good
portion
of
the
real
estate,
either
directly
or
indirectly.
We
have
a
really
great
opportunity
to
reposition
and
redevelop
and
revitalize
this
real
estate.
So
from
that
perspective,
I
think
the
phasing
and
tribus
familiarity
with
it
and
their
expertise
with
other
really
notable
transit-oriented
developments,
including
Union
Station,
where
they
were
really
one
of
the
key
players.
I
think
they're
extremely
well
suited
to
it.
H
Like
I
said,
my
comment
still
stands:
I
have
a
concern
with
that
and
I
appreciate
it,
but
in
maybe
some
of
the
answers
you
can
go
into
a
little
bit
more
depth
because
I'm
not
trying
to
get
such
lengthy
answers.
I
need
to
try
and
get
all
the
questions
and,
if
I
might
and
less
other
council
people
yeah.
E
A
I
My
first
question
is
on
the
map
on
page
five,
the
city
center
site
plan,
which
properties
does
the
city
own
versus
which
properties
we
control,
because
it
says-
and
is
it
possible
for
us
the
people
that
get
the
paper
packet
to
get
a
color
copy
of
the
map?
Because
it's
really
difficult
to
tell
the
color
scheme
but
on
the
map
itself.
H
I
C
I
can
give
you
just
a
brief
overview
on
the
blue.
The
there
are
probably
three
primary
parcels
on
the
blue.
One
is
the
Civic
Center
property.
This
building
and
jacent
parking
is
leased
city
from
efj
for
the
neck
through
the
end
of
2023.
At
the
end
of
2023,
this
property
reversed
the
city
ownership,
okay,.
E
C
In
addition,
then,
there
are
some
kind
of
miscellaneous
parcels
that
are
adjacent
to
the
east
of
the
station
kind
of
that
narrow
land
between
the
big
northern
parcel
and
the
Civic
Center
property,
and
it
includes
the
air
rights
if
you
will
above
the
bus
turnarounds
that
are
just
south
of
the
station.
So
there's
a
general
thought
there
are
that
that
property
is
also
a
developable
under
number
of
scenarios.
C
I
C
E
C
G
C
G
A
Thank
you,
yeah
Barrington,
and
let
me
before
you
speak.
We've
got
ten
minutes
left.
So
what
I'm
wondering
is
we're
not
gonna
get
to
this?
Obviously
a
regular
meeting
tonight,
but
I
think
we
could
put
it
on
next
week's
agenda.
There's
a
couple
things
I
just
looked
ahead.
We
might
be
able
to
move
I'm,
not
sure,
but
it
seems
to
me
like
this
is
timely.
C
C
F
F
A
H
They
are
our
landlords
and
if
we
were
to
not
pay
our
rent,
if
would
have
to
boot
us
out
because
their
landlords,
so
they
have
a
debt
to
pay
and
that's
their
first
priority.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
all
of
the
players
and
their
positions
correct
in
our
heads
here.
I
am
concerned
as
council
member
requests
brought
up
about
the
unn,
and
this
is
just
more
for
you
to
be
able
to
write
down
the
questions.
I
guess
is
these.
H
I
know
you're
going
to
do
some
of
that
RFP
process,
but
we
need
to
have
the
community
understand
the
direction
we're
going
in
so
that
if
they
say
no,
that's
not
what
we
want.
It's
our
community
and
I
realize
that
you
don't
want
to
go
to
the
political
whims
of
either
the
constituency
or
the
council,
but
that's
the
reality
of
it.
That's
their
community
and
they've
got
to
live
in
it.
So
I
am
kind
of
concerned
that
we've
kind
of
got
that
tail.
H
Wagging
the
dog
there
and
and
I
want
to
see
how
this
RFP
process
that
you're
proposing
is
going
to
fit
with
this
kind
of
just
handing
it
over
and
just
letting
proposals
come
to
us,
the
one-on-one,
with
Council
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
the
consistency
of
information
and
communication
going
on.
If
we're
going
to
start
having
one-on-one
meetings
for
something
that's
important.
If
we're
going
to
agree
to
do
this
in
an
executive
session,
that's
one
thing,
but
to
start
having
one-on-one
meetings
with
council
members
I
think
is
a
huge
concern.
A
H
H
I
believe
that
you
have
some
kind
of
marriage
of
what
you
were
trying
to
do
with
them,
I'd
like
to
see
how
that's
going
to
work,
because
I
think
it's
backwards
and
it's
not
giving
the
citizens
or
this
council
an
opportunity
to
see
what's
coming
in
and
maybe
I
need
some
clarification
on
what
you
believe
that
p3
process
is
one
on
one
with
Council
would
kind
of
make
it
very
difficult
for
all
of
us
and
I
think
there's
a
transparency
issue,
that's
very
concerning
for
that.
Maybe
you
could
clarify
that
a
little
bit
more.
Let's.
A
C
Think
that's
obviously
counsels
discretion.
It
is
a
way
when
you
get
into
complicated
and
confidential
real
estate
matters
to
allow
those
to
move
forward
in
real
time.
Obviously,
if
counsel
is
willing
to
schedule
executive
sessions
on
a
fairly
short
timeline
basis
that
couldn't
that
could
replace
that
in
total.
But
the
idea
is
that
maybe
the
two
together
allow
the
city
to
be
as
responsive
as
will
likely
be
needed
to
those
discussions
with
third
parties
and.
H
C
H
Why
I
ask
some
additional
questions,
which
I
would
like
the
information
for
I
realize
that
you're
saying
market,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
information
that
you
spoke
about,
that
was
not
actually
in
the
packet
piece
of
it
and
I
wrote
down
some
some
questions
with
that.
I'll
be
happy
to
give
that
to
you
on
the
side,
but
I
am
not
sure
that
that's
going
to
get
a
success.
If
we
do
it
the
same
way,
we
did
before
that's
all
so.
A
B
C
I
I
have
some
very
grave
concerns
about
how
this
differs
from
the
Stapleton
redevelopment
corporation
and
what
they
went
through,
because
there
were
some
huge
problem:
there's
a
lawsuit
and
the
Stapleton
redevelopment
corporation
lost
the
lawsuit,
and
it
looks
to
me
like
we're,
setting
this
up,
to
look
just
like
that
and
for
us
to
move
forward
tonight
without
further
discussion
on
this.
We
could
be
setting
ourselves
on
a
path
to
a
lawsuit.
Well,.
A
H
I'm
not
against
getting
a
special
counsel.
What
I
am
against
is
the
way
that
it's
proposed
in
here,
and
so,
if
that's
the
way
the
RFP
comes
forward,
then
I
will
not
be
for
it.
I
do
not
believe
that
you
can
serve
two
masters,
let
alone
three.
So
the
way
that
it's
being
proposed
here
I
would
not
be
for
it
in
for
the
purpose
of
getting
the
city
out
of
advising
a
separate
corporation,
probably
get
an
idea,
but
not
in
the
way
that
it's
been
proposed
here.
H
A
You
I'll
support
that
as
well
to
have
something
come
forward
to
us,
so
next
step
would
be
to
get
you
back
on
another
study
session.
We
may
have
to
rearrange
some
things.
We
may
even
have
to
do
a
special
meeting,
I
we'll
meet
tomorrow,
to
discuss
how
we
go
about
that
I
kind
of
thought.
This
would
happen.
This
is
a
big
deal.
It's
your.