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From YouTube: City Council Study Session 25 Jul 2018
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I. Study Session Topic
II. Introduction of Attendees
III. Discussion of Homelessness (45 minutes)
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A
A
H
A
little
bit
of
history
here
for
us
and
I
realized
Inglewood
and
maybe
shirt
as
well,
maybe
a
little
bit
in
front
of
us
as
far
as
feeling,
but
we
had
a
some
very
informal
conversations
here,
probably
like
a
year
ago,
where
we
just
started
to
recognize
that
we're
seeing
a
trend
there
that
we
would
like
to
address,
and
so
we
started
having
some
conversations
about
maybe
pulling
our
resources
together
here
in
the
city
of
Littleton
and
trying
to
understand
what
I
say.
What
is
it
that
we
have?
H
So
here,
in
the
last
couple
of
months
myself
in
the
mayor,
we've
had
some
informal
meetings
with
our
faith
based
community
here
in
Littleton,
honestly
I
think
they've
been
pretty
engaged
in
the
city
of
Inglewood,
and
so
in
fact
we
had
a
meeting
here
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
So
one
of
the
things
we
asked
them
is
to
help
us
kind
of
assemble
a
list
of
resources.
H
We
inquire
on
say
was
a
pretty
fascinating
conversation
listening
to
them
about
their
involvement
in
our
community
and,
quite
honestly,
I
wasn't
even
aware
to
the
depth
of
their
involvement,
so
it
was
actually
pretty
impressive.
So
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
sheet
that
actually,
our
library
had
put
together
and
we've
been
working
with
our
the
faith-based
group
here
perhaps
update
this.
So
the
front
page
here
kind
of
shows
you
you
know
the
overnight
shelters,
day,
shelters,
food
banks
and
after
I
started.
H
Looking
this
again,
it
kind
of
impressed
me
I
just
had
no
idea.
You
know
the
depth
of
resource
that
we
had
just
a
little
bit
on.
The
back
side
is
just
some
additional
resources
that
are
necessarily
tied
to
the
homeless
issue,
but
this
is
a
actually
a
document
that
we
have
in
our
library
that
actually
can
track.
H
P
Well,
a
couple
things
that
have
kind
of
come
to
point
to
is
the
work
that
Sheridan
and
Engle.
We
did
cleaning
along
the
river,
particularly
in
front
of
our
treatment
plant,
and
so
we
had
a
presentation
to
City
Council
of
that
we
have
seen
it
at
the
South
Platte
working
group,
and
so
we
had
that
same
presentation
brought
to
Council
and
we
had
it
was.
It
was
cool.
P
We
had
the
police
chiefs
I've
kind
of
had
a
panel
with
some
other
resources
I'm
talking
about
what
they're
seeing
down
there
kind
of
the
trends
kind
of
what
are
patterns
that
they're,
identifying
places
where
there
may
be
a
shortage
and
opportunity
for
them
to
enforce
kind
of
guidelines
as
opposed
to
laws
that
we
may
have
out
there.
What
are
some
things
that
we
could
do
to
help
them
do
their
job.
P
We
see
with
our
faith-based
group
what
we're
learning
a
lot
from
them
is
that
the
face
of
homelessness
is
very
different
than
just
person
to
sleeping
under
a
tree
in
the
park
that
there
is
there's
a
whole,
a
much
larger
world
of
homeless.
As
we've
talked
to
our
school
district,
our
school
board
has
shared
that
the
homelessness,
the
bassy
in
the
schools
and
how
they
are
managing
that
help
with
also
struggling
with
resources
and
stuff
with
that,
so
it
just
has
become
one
of
those
things
that
we
we're
not
going
to
fix
this
alone.
P
We
may
not
even
be
able
to
fix
it
together,
but
understanding
what
we
are
looking
at
understanding,
what
we're
dealing
with
understanding,
what
we
have,
what
resources
we
all
have.
We
all
have
a
lot
of
resources
who
don't
know
what
they
are.
We
don't
know
how
they
align.
We
also
have
limited
resources
and
we
talk
to
our
faith-based
group,
but
we
said
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
them
to
do
was
help
put
together
kind
of
a
list
to
which
they're
working
on
and
asked
them.
P
Okay,
so
yeah
tell
us
what
you
have
to
tell
us
what
you
don't
have,
because
that's
also
gonna
be
important
and
there,
because
there
is
there,
so
many
I
met
with
the
citizen
yesterday
and
she
was
telling
me
she's
working
with
the
homeless.
What
do
you
know
well
and
so
there's
all
these
little
things
out
there
everybody
wants
to
help,
but
I
think
help.
M
B
M
M
B
M
Spaces,
obviously,
in
the
parks
we
haven't
seen
as
much
of
the
issues
along
the
river
like
Englewood,
had
dealt
with
in
the
very
innovative
fashion,
but
in
our
parks,
especially
and
issues
there.
So
our
officers
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
with
folks
from
all
Health
Network
to
also
work
on
the
longer
term.
Solutions
for
folks
that
we
come
in
contact
with
in
our
city.
M
H
To
that
I
think
no
way
again
about
roughly
a
year
ago,
I
think
talking
to
people
like
our
chief
here,
you
know,
I
think
it's
starting
to
catch
my
attention
here
that
it
was
rising
kind
of
the
visibility,
the
number
of
complaints
that
we
were
getting
and
you
know
I
think
again,
not
knowing
what
kind
of
resources
we
had
it
just
was
something
that
I
felt
like
we
had
to
kind
of
raise
with
our
own
Council
here
just
about.
We
have
an
issue
here
and
part
of
it
is
communication
with
our
citizens.
H
Obviously
you
know
because
they're
becoming
you
know
much
more
nervous
about
the
issue
and
so
I
think
that's
why
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
well
what
is
it
we
can
do
about
this,
to
educate
not
only
ourselves
but
ultimately
start
to
help
our
citizens
understand
kind
of
what's
going
on
in
our
communities?
So
I
think
that's
why
you
know
talking
to
the
mayor
and
our
council
here.
Why
I
wanted
to
kind
of
raise
this
issue
in
this
concept
of
a
forum.
A
N
I'm,
sorry,
mister
alpha.
What
you
said
was
was
spot-on
this
time
last
year,
when
we
were
doing
budget
discussions
for
the
city
of
Englewood,
we
had
a
philosophical
discussion
in
regards
to
getting
some
help
from
clinicians
mental
health
workers
and
things
like
that,
and
we
try
to
track
him
down
and
find
him.
N
At
the
same
time,
I
was
invited
to
a
lunch
with
just
several
pastors
from
the
community
and
boy
did
that
take
off
because
they
asked
for
my
house
if
I
needed,
help
in
anything
and
I
said
boy,
I
could
show
you
some
help
with
the
homeless
and
they
took
it
and
ran
with
it,
and
they
had
to
change
the
trend
group
now
and
it's
it's
nice
to
see
that
they've
all
come
together
to
do
that.
I
think
we
all
agree.
N
You
cannot
arrest
your
way
out
of
this,
and
so
we've
we've
tried
some
different
innovative
programs
and
whatnot,
and
but
all
health
is
that's.
That's
that's
a
key
component
for
us
as
well.
We
get
16
hours
a
week,
free
of
charge
from
all
Health
for
mental
health
services
not
only
to
the
homeless
but
also
to
our
community
and
and
I
think
that's
just
a
fabulous
program,
which
is
why
I'll
be
coming
a
council
to
try
to
extend
that
a
little
bit.
N
And
but
you
know
we
we,
the
concern
we
had
was
was
is
the
perception
you
have
the
homeless,
who
are
homeless
because
they
choose
to
be
and
those
that
that
are
homeless
by
by
predicament.
And
so
it's
a
very
delicate
balance.
You
know
that
they
have
rights
just
as
every
other
citizen
and
but
the
perception
from
the
community
is
like.
N
We
had
that
that
program
on
the
Platte
River
and
so
the
folks
move
out,
but
where
did
they
go
and
that's
the
key
to
everything
and
that's
its
you
know
it's
sustainable
housing
and
I.
Think
as
a
group,
one
suggestion
I
would
have
is
because
this
isn't
a
you
know,
a
city
issue:
it's
not
a
regional
issue,
it's
a
national
issue
and
until
we
get
the
lawmakers
to
start
throwing
some
money
at
sustainable
housing,
we're
going
to
be
moving
these
folks
around
them,
but
they
have
nowhere
to
go
and
I'm
thinking
to
myself.
N
You
know
about
sustainable
housing,
it's
just
like
marijuana.
If
you,
if
you
advertise
it,
they
will
come,
and
so
will
you
be
ready
for
that
onslaught
and
and
that's
why
I
say
it's
more
of
a
national
issue
that
the
politicians
really
need
to
address.
But
if
you
get
these
communities
coming
together,
I
think
you
have
more
or
pop
for
your
buck
so
to
speak
and
I
think
that's
a
direction
that
ultimately
things
need
to
hit
into
so
I
talk
too
much.
O
Just
to
add
on
to
that
I
think
you
know,
all
of
our
communities
are
trying
to
struggle
with
this
issue
and
what
to
do
and
I
know
our
Charter
and
Littleton
is
probably
very
similar,
maybe
even
share
it
and
doesn't
advocate
or
allow
for
us
or
dictate
that
we
provide
social
services.
And
so
much
of
what
we're
struggling
with
is
is
the
necessary
resources
to
provide
to
our
residents
whether
they
are
housed
or
not,
and
that
that's
an
issue,
and
so
much
like
Sheridan
in
and
Littleton
as
well.
O
We've
been
trying
to
ascertain
what's
the
best
thing
that
the
city
of
Englewood
could
do
what
I
know.
Our
council
has
had
a
couple
of
study
sessions
on
this
topic
now
and
specifically,
the
thing
that
we
believe
the
city
should
do
is
not
necessarily
be
the
service
provider,
but
a
resource,
Clearing
House,
and
perhaps
the
progenitor
or
the
energy
behind
not-for-profits
and
others
working
towards
coming
up
with
solutions
or
actually
service
provision.
So
we
also
are
working
on
a
resource
guide.
O
You
have
an
example
in
front
of
you
this
morning,
we're
working
with
a
group
called
impact
locally,
which
is
a
not-for-profit
in
Denver.
That
does
provide
some
services
here
in
Englewood,
and
this
is
an
example
of
their
guide
that
they
have.
That
provides
any
of
a
number
of
resources
from
food
banks
to
to
temporary
housing
into
job
help,
and
so
we're
working
on
on
that
right
now
as
well,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
something
that
is
unique.
O
O
If
you
will
for
your
homeless,
population
and
demography,
they
want
to
find
out
why
the
why
that
people
are
homeless
and
then
what
what
aspect
of
homelessness
they
fall
into,
whether
it's
chronic
as
chief
Collins
mentioned
or
temporary,
because
the
job
or
home
loss,
or
is
it
because
they're,
a
veteran
and
they're
homeless?
Or
are
they
single
mother
or
single
parent,
that's
homeless?
So
we
really
want
to
I,
think
understand
and
get
our
arms
around
the
issue.
O
I
think
before
we
take
action
to
understand
what
is
the
depth
of
the
issue
and
what's
driving
it
and
I?
Think
looking
at
doing
a
study
through
them
at
through
the
University
might
be
helpful
to
provide
not
only
our
community,
but
perhaps
yours
as
well
with
necessary
data
to
actually
bring
in
other
resources
because
grants
they're
gonna
require
you
to
have
some
some
data
behind
it.
A
Another
another
hand
up
that
you
have
here
is
to
change
the
trend
which
is
similar
to
I,
think
so,
faith
based
ministries
that
are
popping
up
in
some
areas
like
Littleton
and
banding
together.
This
is
not
just
faith
based,
so
there
are
a
number
of
churches,
and
this
is
a
just
a
one
sheet
that
they
put
together
last
week
for
the
for
another
meeting
that
we
had
that
regarding
us
with
the
mayor's
managers
and
arapaho
commissioners
saw
this
so
I.
A
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
helpful
about
this
group
is
that
they
really
want
to
be
a
welcoming
group
to
anyone
who
wants
to
be
engaged
in
this.
They
want
a
partner.
They
also
they're,
not
looking
necessarily
to
municipalities,
to
come
up
with
the
money
they
they
see
themselves
somewhat
independently
and
want
to
do
their
thing,
but
they
know
that
if
we
don't
do
it
better
together
that
it
probably
will
be
in
opposition
to
one
out
of
there.
So
another
group-
that's
just-
is
looking
to
join,
or
at
least
I.
A
How
do
we
engage
others,
police,
other
churches,
other
cities
that
are
maneuvering
us,
because
we
know
there's
no
boundary
on
this
issue
it.
It
doesn't
matter
where
the
end
of
one
city
is
in
the
beginning
of
another.
So
this
is
a
helpful
group.
I
know
there
are
other
initiatives
with
folks
trying
to
do
it.
Yesterday,
I
was
talking
to
someone
out
towards
Bellevue
Park
and
said
you
know.
A
There's
all
these
break-ins
in
our
neighborhood
and
we
know
it's
homeless,
people
and
I,
don't
know
how
they
think
they
know
it's
homeless
people,
but
I
think
we
have
some
conceptions
about
people
who
are
homeless
and
what
they
do
and
I
doubt
that
they're,
probably
just
homeless
people.
It
might
be
a
ring
of
you.
A
Probably
the
police
know
exactly
what
kinds
of
groups
are
going
through
areas
and
breaking
into
cars,
but
so
we
have
a
public
perception
as
well
as
an
educational
piece
that
I
think
we
need
to
work
on
to
how
I
are
just
our
citizens
understand
what's
going
on
and
what
they
can
do
and
what
they
should
be.
You
know
what
they
should
be
concerned
about
and
when
to
call
and
and
make
sure
that
you
know,
we've
got
the
kind
of
services
provided
if
they
feel
unsafe.
G
Well,
we
it's
it's
interesting
and
I,
try
and
think
about
this
problem.
A
little
bit
in
Sharon
and
I,
see
it
in
two
ways
and
we
have
the
the
they're
very
visible,
what
I
call
chronically
homeless
along
the
the
rivers
that
create
a
public
health
issue
that
the
cities
have
to
deal
with
and
our
handout
deals
a
lot
with
that.
What
are
the
costs
associated?
G
It's
it's
folks
that
are
characterized
homeless,
but
they're,
not
the
folks
living
down
at
the
on
the
river
and
in
the
Sheridan
School
District
they've
done
some
work
and
the
latest
numbers
that
I'm
aware
of
from
that
district
is
that
upwards
of
25%
of
the
kids
in
the
district
are
considered.
Homeless
means
that
they
do
not
have
a
permanent
roof,
they
have
a
roof,
but
it
might
not
be
there
so
they're,
couchsurfing
or
they're
at
Grandma's
or
they're.
You
know
in
some
state
of
flux,
they
don't
have
a
home.
G
You
know
a
permanent
home
and
I
think
that
is,
is
Mari
or
somewhere
the
resource
types
of
allocation
and
can
be
of
assistance
there.
But
I
see
us.
You
know
we.
We
have
these
two
types
of
issue
that
we
have
to
address
out
there
and
so
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
and
then,
if
anyone
on
my
council
has
anything
to
say,
but
chief
do
I
just
want
to
just
talk
briefly
about
your
experience
with
that.
Well,.
C
You
know
the
actual
costs
I
think
the
cost
is
more.
His
public
works
worse
as
the
police
department,
but
you
know
some
of
the
interesting
things
we
found
is
that
a
lot
of
the
people
that
we
have
along
a
river
are,
when
you
talk
to
them,
they're,
actually
a
homeless
by
choice
they
don't
at
home
and
I,
didn't
realize
this,
but
I
talked
to
one
guy.
He
actually
travels
around
the
country
depend
upon
the
weather
so
for
the
summer
he's
in
Sheridan
and
the
winter
here
in
Seattle,
I,
don't
know
why
Seattle,
but
it's
enticing.
C
When
you
talk
to
these
guys
he's
accent,
disability.
He
gets
his
checks
direct
deposited
and
he
said
he
can
go
to
almost
any
city
in
the
country
and
go
get
money
out
of
a
bank.
So
he
just
travels
around
based
on
the
weather
and
there's
there's
a
group
of
people
that
he's
associated
with
the
he
knows
they
all
travel
around.
So
you
have
that
kind
of
group
that
I
think
is
homeless
by
choice,
but
they
do
have
a
why
we
call
the
lower
source
of
income
because
around
disability,
or
something
like
that.
C
But
the
bigger
issue
you
know
for
us
along
the
river
is
our
most
of
our
complaints,
barked
from
folks
using
the
river,
it's
actually
from
the
golf
course
and
the
camps
before
they
went
in
and
did
their
mastication
where
they
went
in
and
cut
all
the
brush.
These
people
would
pop
up
and
harass
the
golfers,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the
people
that
do
that.
C
You
know
they're,
not
criminals
by
definition,
but
they
have
mental
health
issues,
so
they
kind
of
act
out
because
when
they
camp
they're
in
their
self
Deauville
camps,
I
forgot
I
think
it's
on
the
eight
holes
where
they
like
their
camp.
There
was
like
eight
or
nine
people
live
in
there
and
they
kind
of
view
that
you're
in
their
backyard,
even
though
you're
on
the
golf
course
so
we've
dealt
with
that
and
as
Randy
played
out
in
his
paper
here,
you
know
what
we'll
do
if
we
find
an
organized
camp.
C
O
B
C
Don't
move
your
stuff
we
will
take,
it
will
store
it
for
a
period
of
time.
You
can
come
get
it
as
of
now
I.
Don't
believe
anybody
has
ever
come
and
got
their
stuff,
the
only
guy
that
came
and
got
anything
was
we
took
a
handgun
and
he
came
and
wanted
that
back
as
far
as
the
stuff
we
collect
I,
don't
think
anybody's
come
back
to
get
their
stuff,
then
we
do
have
one
church
that
does
a
food
bank
Drive
and
does
that
every
week,
but
normally
that's
catered
to
more
of
a
family
unit.
C
That's
had
this
struggling
that
actually
might
have
an
apartment
under
Section
eight,
but
needs
help
with
food.
That's
today
deal
with
and
the
interesting
thing
I
think
to
ever
mention
about
the
couchsurfing.
You
know
we
do
get
a
lot
of
domestics
in
the
city.
There
are
actually
the
result
of
some
type
of
disagreement
or
a
temporary
housing
situation.
C
So,
for
example,
someone
lets
someone
move
in
and
stay
a
few
days
because
they're
homeless
and
then
it
gets
to
be
too
much
and
they
want
them
out
and
then
there's
a
some
type
of
domestic
disturbance
or
some
type
of
fight.
So
we
get
a
lot
of
that
type
of
stuff.
But
what
we
found
is
that
you
know
we
just
kind
of
we
don't
really
bother
them
unless
we
get
complaints
because
I
agree
that
I
think
what
the
mayor
said
earlier.
You
allow
these
folks
are
homeless,
they're,
not
criminals.
C
You
know
by
definition
and
I,
don't
think
and
a
great
extent
other
than
you
know
some
scrapping
stuff
and
that
kind
of
stuff
they're,
not
the
people
breaking
into
our
cars
and
doing
burglaries
per
se.
Most
of
the
time.
If
we
get
a
burglary
and
follows
a
homeless
person,
don't
get
for
placing
trash,
and
we
get
a
few
of
our
apartments
where
someone
will
end
up
in
jail
for
30
days
on
some
type
of
violation.
C
His
friends
or
semi-homeless
find
out
they'll
break
in
and
live
there
and
that
person
is
going
to,
and
then
we
have
some
type
of
police
action.
So
normally
the
complaints
like
I
said
are
really
from
the
golf
course
in
that
type
of
thing,
and
we
do
have
some
organized
camps
and
I
think
you
know,
angle
would
and
shared
it.
Along
with
the
urban
drainage,
people
went
in
there
cleaned
out
all
that
brush
and
that
kind
of
only
made
it
our
hiding
place.
But
you
know
we
get
all
sorts
of
odd
stuff.
C
We
had
one
guy
that
we
dealt
with
really
never
gave
us
any
trouble
until
never
showed
up.
Looking
for
him,
homicide
and
I
think
he's
the
same.
Guy
did
your
outside
and
you
know
he
is
a
criminal
and
DPD
thinks
he's
linked
to
several
homeless
homicides
across
the
country,
so
essentially
he's
a
serial
killer.
So
you
you
have
every
range
from
people
who
are
homeless
by
choice.
People
have
a
desperate
situation,
our
home
is
temporarily,
you
know
to
criminals
and
just
kind
of
travel.
The
country
so.
C
C
I
stated
that
earlier
I
said
that
most
folks
are
not
criminal
but
I'm,
pointing
out
that
we
we
deal
with
a
whole
range.
So,
like
I
said
earlier,
most
of
folks
we
deal
with
are
not
criminals.
However,
I
gave
an
example
of
where
we
did
have
a
homeless
person.
We
never
gave
our
officers
and
you
should
be
in
contact
with
them
on
a
regular
basis.
However,
you
did
go
across
our
jurisdiction
in
Denver
and
kill
a
guy,
and
then
he
committed
a
homicide.
C
K
K
G
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
it
it's.
It
goes
to
speaking
towards
the
entire
issue
in
having
an
understanding
that
it's
not
just
the
folks
camping
at
the
river
and
the
school
districts.
Look
at
this,
as
you
guys
aware,
you
know,
as
an
issue
of
stability,
how
does
a
child
learns
best
when
they
have
a
stable
environment
so.
B
L
P
Echo
that
I
think
in
Littleton,
when
we
talked
to
our
school
board,
it
was
pretty
clear
that
they
weren't
operating
off
just
some
random
statistical
thing
with
some
random
methodology.
They
were
speaking
to
us
about
what
they
are
seeing
and
and
the
communication
that
they're
having
and
they
are
able
to
identify
these
people,
because
they've
created
a
safe
place
for
there
to
be
conversation
with
these
folks
because
they
don't
have.
You
know
whether
is
your
mailing
address.
P
You
know
they
need
to
have
these
contact
information
and
sometimes
with
it
being
temporary
or
whatever
so
they're
able
to
identify
this
and
then
able
to
help
these
children
when
they
come
in.
Who
may
not
have
had
the
proper.
You
know,
change
of
clothes
or
whatever
and
push
them
through
a
or
put
them
through
kind
of
a
get
ready
for
school
before
school
programs,
so
that
then,
when
they
integrated
into
the
classrooms,
they
don't
look
different.
They
don't
feel
different.
A
Think
this
demonstrates
I
mean
even
the
questions
that
Celts
Meyer
Barrentine
is
raising
of
just
the
different
views.
People
have
about
people
who
are
considered
either
homeless
or
on
the
edge
and
that
the
data
finds
I
was
trying
to
pull
up
the
point
in
time.
Study
that
just
came
out
and
Arapahoe
County
has
some
data
with
it,
but
it's
just
such
a
thin
veneer
of
a
look
at
what
really
is
happening.
That's
why
I
I
think
we
need
to
do
some,
some
better
data
mining
to
figure
out
what
are
the
groups?
What
percentage
are
chronic?
A
We
know
that
from
some
of
the
point
in
study,
but
that's
just
one
point
study
it's
in
January,
it's
one
day
out
of
the
year,
but
our
schools
could
be
very
helpful
in
our
libraries,
our
police,
the
faith-based
groups
that
are
interacting
to
probably
have
a
better
picture.
There
are
some
groups
of
people
such
as
veterans
who
have
services
that
we're
just
unaware
of,
but
could
actually
eradicate
homelessness
amongst
veterans
if
we
can
simply
access
those
those
resources.
So
I
know
that
Columbine
Valley
is
here
partly
to
listen,
but
did
you
have
a
report?
D
Would
mention
two
things:
Columbine
Valley
is
100%
residential.
We
have
no
commercial
properties.
We
do
have
a
golf
course,
but
our
relationship
to
the
homeless
primarily
occurs
for
homeless
people
who
were
on
their
way.
For
instance,
there's
a
food
bank
called
open
arms,
Food
Bank,
which
is
west
of
us
on
coalmine
Road,
and
we
find
homeless.
D
I'd
also
like
to
speak,
though
I'm
a
member
of
Mission,
Hills,
Church
and
Mission
Hills.
Do
you
notice
in
the
area
resources
I've
been
involved
in
food
and
clothing,
a
Food
Bank
clothing
bank
for
probably
thirty
years,
and
we
have
purchased
property
in
little
on
deidara
Street
and
we
have
the
Life
Center
Littleton
Life
Center.
There
I
just
mentioned
very
quickly
that
the
Life
Center
provides
a
food
bank,
GED
classes,
language
classes,
legal
aid,
senior
connections,
and
then
we
have
the
severe
weather
shelter.
D
A
K
K
Those
residents
is
because
they
want
to
stay
around
that
area
mission.
Your
church
has
people
living
in
the
window
Wells,
and
that
is
a
bit
of
a
danger
to
both
the
other
residences.
But
it's
it's
not
a
kindness
to
them
either,
because
then
they
they
don't
really
have
anywhere
to
go
during
the
day.
So
I
hope
that
we
can
come
up
with
some
other
alternatives
so
that
we're
all
working
together,
but
not
burdening
one
community
at
the
expense
for
the
benefit
of
another
and
I
know
that
church
feels
really
good
about
what
they
do.
K
A
Q
Q
I
Observation,
the
better
we
are
at
providing
services,
the
more
we
attract
people,
because
the
word
gets
out,
I'm,
not
saying
we
shouldn't
provide,
we
have
a
catch-22
and
it's
complicated
because
we
have
the
light
rail
system
and
the
word
gets
out
that
way
and
we
attract
more.
So
it's
something
I
mean
we
want
to
be
addressing
this,
but
in
the
sense,
we're
fueling
the
problem
it
just
it
just
is
what
it
is
and
we
have
to,
in
my
view,
keep
responding.
I
One
of
the
problems
during
the
day
is
the
people
who
do
come
to
the
library
and
citizens
better
or
worse,
particularly
with
the
children
that
come
in.
The
programs
are
anxious
because
the
people
are
there
because
they
don't
understand
you
know,
and
so
just
because
you're
homeless,
as
we
said,
doesn't
mean
you're
a
threat
but
they're
there.
They
they
come
in.
They
use
the
bathrooms.
Some
of
them
actually
come
close
to
taking
a
bath
in
the
bathroom
because
it's
there
and
they
can
get
clean
right,
but
you
don't
get
clean
clothes
there.
I
A
I
think
you're,
spot-on,
I
think
that's
the
reason
why
we
need
to
coordinate
with
one
another,
because
if
you're
just
giving
food
I
mean
we
need
people
need
to
be
fed
right.
You
don't
want
people
to
go
hungry
but
to
have
some
sort
of
process
and
navigation
process
of
becoming
housed
and
finding
stability.
And
if
there's
no
accountability,
if
the
organization's
are
not
communicating
with
one
another
for
those
that
are
not
chronically
chose,
choosing,
there's
a
huge
population
that
isn't
and
how
do
we
help
them?
Transition
into
housing,
that's
stable
and
then
I
think
mr.
A
black
you're
exactly
right.
The
kind
of
mental
health
that
that
brings
when
you
are
unstable,
with
your
housing,
an
inability
to
take
care
of
yourself
even
health-wise,
not
mental
but
physically.
You
know
sleeping
in
a
car
every
night
with
families.
It's
not
a
great
thing
either.
So
but
I
think.
If
these
organizations
are
talking
to
one
another,
then
they
know
who's
who's
been
served
today
and
are
we
holding
them
accountable
to
taking
those
next
steps
of
getting
out
of
homelessness?
And
how
do
we
help
them?
Then,
with
the
services
and
contacts
for
transitional
homes?
A
P
In
to
your
point,
I
think
that
that
we
we
I've,
heard
a
number
of
things
here
and
some
factual
things
and
then
some
some
opinion
that
is
based
on
things.
We've
heard
or
things
we
believe
or
things
we,
you
know
kind
of
assume,
and
so
you
would
mentioned
doing
the
working
on
with
us
via
what
group
I
think.
What
the
study.
P
P
I
I
would
really
I'd
like
to
think
about
doing
it
as
a
try,
City
study
of
that.
If
that
would
be
possible
simply
because
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
have
a
database,
we
need
to
understand
what
we're
talking
about,
and
this
isn't
about
account.
This
isn't
about
a
census
of
the
homeless.
This
is
more
about
who
they
are.
Why
they're
there?
P
What
kind
of
the
kind
of
the
root
of
it,
which
is,
if
you,
if
we
don't
get
to
the
root,
then
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
figure
out
how
we
can
support
and
how
we
can
help
so
I
I
would
strongly
support
a
little
bit
more
shared
information
on
that
I'm.
Assuming
there's
a
cost
involved,
there's
some
sort
of
time
for
a
min
while
there
may
be
a
need
for
us
to
form,
maybe
a
subgroup
or
some
such
thing
to
help
help
with
that.
P
A
L
A
Yeah
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
we
had
this
meeting
on
Friday
with
the
mayor's
managers
and
Arapahoe
County
Commissioners
about
half,
they
want
to
have
a
summit
of
some
sort
that
Nancy
Jackson
has
been
pulling
together.
Commissioner
Jackson,
are
we
talking
about?
Having
that
be
our
forum?
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting
here
and
just
make
it
one
big
forum?
Are
you
also
suggesting
doing
something?
That's
tri-cities,
it
seems
like
there's
a
summit
and
a
forum
there
we're
talking
about
two
different
things:
just
I'm.
P
H
P
Showing
up
but
I
was
thinking
more
I
mean
quite
honestly,
whatever
rapaho
County
does
is
what
it
was
rap
on
counties.
Gonna
do
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day.
We
all
know
that
if
we're
gonna
get
something
done
in
our
communities,
we're
gonna
do
it
and
so
I
would
you
know
this
group
has
always
been
really
good
at
getting
things
done.
Making
things
move
we
work
together,
listen
won,
three
cities
come
and
say
we
are
working
unit.
P
You
know
as
a
unified
group
in
getting
this
data
and
what
that
data
looks
like
and
then
may
be
reconvening
us
as
we
process
through
that
and
and
start
to
and
and
we
had
talked
about,
even
potentially
putting
together
a
smaller
group
of
us.
That
would
what
kind
of
task
kind
of
a
ad
hoc
task
force
that
would
kind
of
carry
that
work
through
and
then
bring
when
we
bring
back
together
again
come
off,
and
then
we
want
to
do
that,
but
I,
wouldn't
I
I,
don't
think
I
look
for
a
forum,
so.
H
I
may
I
think
I've
had
a
few
conversations
with
Commissioner
Jackson
just
about
their
intent
and
I
think
they
were
hearing
largely
from
me
just
about
Littleton
wanted
to
have
a
forum
and
in
fact,
I
visit
our
two
other
managers
here
about
that.
I
would
like
to
support
Commissioner,
Jackson
I,
think
she's,
trying
to
put
something
together
here.
Late
fall,
October
is
kind
of
roughly
what
I'm
hearing
I
think
we
we
all
recognize
that
her
forum
isn't
going
to
be
the
first
and
only
opportunity
for
the
region
to
get
together.
H
In
fact,
I
don't
even
know,
if
that
perhaps
it
should
go
beyond
Arapahoe
County,
but
I
think
it's
her
attempt
to
try
to
pull
people
together.
There's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
Aurora,
they've
been
obviously
in
front
of
this
for
a
lot
longer
than
any
of
us,
and
so
I
think
her
hope
was
to
kind
of
bring
all
of
the
municipalities
together
and
others
quite
awesome,
not
just
the
cities
and
have
a
little
bit
broader
conversation.
H
But
that
said,
though,
I
don't
believe,
necessarily
that
that's
gonna
target
our
issues.
We
are
unique
to
three
cities
because
we
share
the
river
and
so
what
we
have
the
river
adjacent
to
Denver
Aurora's
got
their
own
challenge.
It's
different
there,
so
I
I
would
support
personally
the
three
cities
looking
at
some
way
for
us
to
communicate
and
share
resources
and
talk
about
our
own
problem.
Here,
perhaps
what
the
county
is
trying
to
accomplish.
Obviously
the
county's
got
all
sorts
of
Human
Services,
that's
largely
there.
Well,
maybe
I
won't
say
it
that
way.
That.
H
J
Just
on
that,
it's
probably
been
about
four
months
ago
or
so
that
I
went
to
the
anniversary
of
the
action
center,
which
was
formed
back
in
the
60s
to
help
the
homeless,
and
they
have
a
target
and
I
actually
happened
to
be
sitting
at
a
table
and
one
of
the
Jefferson
County
Commissioners
was
there.
It
was
a
fundraising
event,
and
so
after
the
meeting
I
just
turned
to
him
and
asked
him
about
the
commissioners
and
their
support
of
the
Action
Center
and
he
goes
I
wish.
We
had
more
resources
to
give
to
the
Action
Center.
A
Us
remind
it's
gonna
go
on
for
a
while
and
are
there
other
ideas,
I
think
our
business
community
has
to
be
at
the
table
with
us.
They
really
do
they're,
the
ones
that
that
have
to
deal
with
those
who
are
loitering,
those
who
might
be
seeking
warmth
in
their
buildings
during
the
winter
months,
and
that
that's
where
we've
had
our
challenges.
4300
block
is
one
of
them.
There
are
others
as
well.
A
A
All
right,
so
maybe
the
mayors
and
managers
can
take
this
to
the
next
steps,
to
report
back
to
you
on
anything
regarding
any
kind
of
study,
any
kind
of
relationship
with
the
county
and
in
figure
out
what
a
forum
would
even
look
like
and
maybe
propose
back
to
councils.
Does
this
look
like
this?
Would
work
for
us
and-
and
the
police
of
course
need
to
be
strongly
at
the
table
to
it.
I
know
that
there
are
the
really
excellent
frontline
folks,
day-in
day-out,
along
with
the
schools.
K
E
B
E
It's
not
just
environmental
factors,
its
economic
factors
and
social
justice
factors.
It's
all
those
types
of
things
are
in
it,
and
so
a
study
like
that
is
necessary,
first
of
all,
to
understand
what
you
need
to
do
with
the
corridor
and
the
potential
that
it
has
and
also
without
that
stage
you
do
not
have
access
to
federal
money
because
you
can't
get
into
then
you
got
to
go
through
the
NEPA
process
to
be
able
to
access
that
federal
money
for
large
projects.
E
Q
E
So
behind
the
scenes,
there's
a
few
of
us
that
have
been
very
active
in
working
with
CDOT
with
the
federal
highway
administration,
those
kind
of
things
that
kind
of
put
this
a
box
around
this
thing.
So
we
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
and
the
current
discussion
involves
the
four
counties
being
Douglas
Arapaho,
jeffco
and
Denver,
and
the
quarter
problem
study
would
most
likely
be
from
about
7:00,
there's
still
some
discussion
on
the
north
terminus
for
a
few
reasons
with
Denver,
but
that
still
has
to
be
worked
out.
E
Based
on
that
part
of
the
reason
why
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
federal
highways
already
is
because
those
of
us
that
have
done
projects
like
this
myself,
Maria
Brian
whiner
from
the
county
we've
been
involved
in
projects
they're
driven
by
other
organizations
that
have
scope
creep
in
these
projects
and
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
not
do
that
when
I
was
involved
in
the
North
eat
or
at
the
I-25
AIS,
we
started
at
13
and
finished
at
21
million.
Give
you
a
sense
of
how
you
can
scope
creep.
F
N
E
Is
preparing
for
the
tip
cycle
in
this
year's
tip
cycle?
There's
really
a
change
in
the
process.
You
may
or
may
not
know,
and
there's
gonna
be
a
regional
pot
in
each
sub
planning
area
and
then
a
sub
regional
pot
with
about
20%
of
the
money
in
the
regional
pot,
and
so
what
we've
collectively
discussed
is
that
the
top
project
coming
out
of
this
region
or
the
regional,
which
is
only
21
million
dollars.
E
I
know
we
sit
here
and
say
only
21,
but
which
is
really
not
a
lot
of
money,
really
can't
build
much
for
that.
To
be
honest
with
you
on
a
big
core,
so
this
PL
is
at
the
top
of
that
list,
and
so
in
a
situation
like
that,
if
it
went
in
at
3
million
you
can
get
about
1.5
in
a
project
and
that
regional
pot
is
going
to
be
a
50%
match,
and
so,
as
we've
gone
through
jurisdictional
discussions
for
that
other
1.5.
E
E
Leaving
the
remaining
three
of
us
on
the
corridor
based
on
frontage
would
leave
little
tenet
about
a
hundred
and
sixty
Englewood
at
about
52
and
shared
it
at
about
forty
one
collective
now,
I,
don't
know
we
still
don't
have
commitments
from
seed
I.
You
know
we're
sort
of
in
this
chicken
and
egg
situation
where
what
all
the
local
jurisdictions
are
sitting
around.
I
know.
I
hear
this
from
the
other
city
managers.
E
Is
we're
not
going
to
commit
money
unless
CDOT
commits
money,
see
that
I'll
say
well
we're
not
going
to
commit
money
unless
the
locals
commit
money?
You
know
kind
of
in
this
moment
like
that,
but
we
feel
very
comfortable.
This
is
really
raised
up
in
the
priority
level
of
see
dots,
targeted
work,
and
so
that's
so
we
know
this
is
very
high
on
the
radar
screen
as
well
we're
in
the
process
of
getting
concurrence
for
the
tip
with
them.
More
than
likely,
the
project
will
be
submitted
by
Arapahoe
County.
We've
also
really
tried
to.
E
B
E
So,
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
eleven
and
eleven
percent,
you
know
it's
rounded
to
ten.
You
know
we're
talking
about
three
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
there
and
so
350
could
allow
us
to.
You
know,
do
some
other
things
so
out
of
so
what
we've
done
at
the
staff
level
is
we
would
kind
of
at
each
jurisdiction
put
up
a
list
of
the
you
know,
top
four
or
five
things
they
want
out
of
the
study
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
that
in
the
framework.
E
E
We
ran
into
this
just
yesterday
when
the
discussion
was
seat
about
you,
see
that
about
who
has
to
replace
cameras
on
Santa
Fe
for
traffic
control.
So
you
know
that
efficiency
level
the
importance.
Well,
that's
all
part
of
the
discussion.
We
also
brought
into
the
discussion
things
like
economic
development
redevelopment
of
properties.
There's
not
a
lot,
there's
a
very
limited
Greenfield
one
corridor,
so
it
would
really
be
redevelopment.
How
did
the
interchanges
work
and
those
kind
of
things?
E
So
you
know
three
million
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
when
we
talk
about
something
like
mineral
and
Santa
Fe,
which
I
was
looking
at
the
traffic
ratios
and
we
have
these
traffic,
you
know
nerdy
kind
of
things
that
we
do,
but,
generally
speaking
it
rush
rush
peak
hour,
no
accidents
and
nothing.
It
will
take
you
an
additional,
an
extra
10
minutes
just
to
get
through
that
particular
intersection
because
of
the
below
that
interchange
was
designed
for
thirty
thousand
vehicles
a
day
and
there's
ninety
thousand
a
day
right
now.
Well,.
B
B
E
The
staff
level,
we
feel
really
comfortable
that
we're
pretty
close
to
getting
a
a
box
around
the
scope
of
this
thing.
It
won't
creates,
go
Creek,
but
we'll
also
present
opportunities
for
all
of
us
to
meet
our
needs
and
then
push
this
into
the
process.
One
of
the
other
alternatives
we're
still
kind
of
pushing
in
the
background
is,
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
actually
have
that
first
1.5
come
out
of
see
that
current
money
versus
federal
tip
money.
E
So
there's
this
you
know
there's
this
kind
of
path
along
the
way.
So
we're
trying
to
do
is
sort
of
a
you
know
we're
looking
at
you
know
six
seven
ten
year
planning
horizon
as
we
try
and
scope
out
this
individual
project.
So
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
everybody's,
been
at
the
table.
Everybody's
been
very
engaged.
E
E
F
Just
add
why
IPL
versus
starting
with
the
neva
right
away
and
FHWA
has
now
decided
within
probably
the
last
five
years
that
unless
you
have
committed
funds
for
construction,
you
can't
go
into
the
NEPA
process.
So
you
start
with
a
PE
l
to
identify
kind
of
those
broad
range
issues
with
the
idea
that
we
come
out
of
this
with
recommendations
for
priorities
as
keep
set.
That
way,
then,
with
those
priorities,
then
you
go
into
the
environmental
specifically
and
clear
from
an
environmental
standpoint,
those
elements
that
are
prioritized
in
order
to
get
the
federal
funds
yeah.
E
E
Last
year
about
a
years
ago,
see
that
was
out
there
doing
some
paving
and
if,
if
you
notice,
they
stopped
partway
which
to
everyone
else
in
the
world
is
late.
What
are
you
doing?
Well,
they
found
out
part
way
through
the
project
that
a
half
of
Santa
Fe
in
that
section.
They
don't
have
that.
Theoretically,
don't
have
access
to
it's
on
the
railroads
property.
E
That
would
kick
it
into
the
environmental
review
of
see
that,
because
capacity,
you
can't
add
capacity
without
an
environmental
review,
so
that
kind
of
kicked
in.
We
also
write
in
that
area.
Wool.
Hearst
Landing
is
a
social
justice
area
as
you
as
we
just
spent
talking
about
affordable
housing.
All
of
those
areas
are
in
the
affordable
housing
envelope,
so
we
were
able
to
remeasure
proceed
on
so
that
they
were
able
to
add
the
capacity
in
there.
E
You
know,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
come
up
through
the
process.
You
know,
and
it
seems
a
little
bit
nonsensical
at
times
like
2,000
feet.
The
reality
of
the
situation
is
historically
in
the
United
States
and
why
social
justice
and
supportin
is
we
go
in
widen
the
roads
in
the
middle
of
low-income
areas.
E
Usually,
what
happens
is
whether
we
were
doing
it
or
not?
I
would
do
the
same
thing.
We
would
be
the
program,
in
other
words
the
one
running
the
project,
and
we
would
you
know
we
would
put
that
out
in
RFP
on
the
street.
You
know
for
there's
a
large
number
of
firms.
I
mean
right
in
our
own
organization.
We've
got
HDR,
fhu
Benesch
all
doing
projects
right
now
along
this
evening,
and
so
that's
that's
how
it
would.
F
A
D
B
A
K
K
A
M
A
P
Some
of
you
are
probably
aware
we
had
a
recent
event
where
a
someone
completely
not
within
our
community,
decided
to
launch
a
pretty
massive
social
media
campaign
to
put
a
bunch
of
tubers
on
the
river,
and
it
had
at
the
point
that
we
actually
saw
it
was
suddenly
35,000
interested
and
there
were
about
4,000
that
were
coming
and
puttin
up
at
sea
470
in
tube
down
the
river,
and
so
this
happened
that
apparently
last
year
and
nobody
knew
about
it,
and
it
happened.
I
heard
it
from
a
business
along
the
river.
P
K
P
We
met
with
South
Suburban
and
we
started
talking
about
because
we
have
an
opportunity
to
the
city.
Manager
can
actually
close
the
river
in
Littleton
and
it's
something
pretty
severe.
We
don't
really
like
doing
it.
We've
had
to
do
it
for
a
couple
of
emergencies,
but
this
what
this
kind
of
did.
We
I
mentioned
it
to
murals,
and
about
that
we
were
doing
and
I
said
she
goes.
Do
you
think
they'll.
P
But
they
get
in
their
cars
and
come
down
and
use
you
as
a
trailhead.
So
what
we're
gonna
be
doing
is
we're
gonna,
be
working
with
South
Suburban
on
some
ways
that
we
can
put
some
better
management
on
that
we
do
have
a
permit
process.
This
guy
was
told
you
didn't
permit
it,
and
even
if
he
tried
to
permit
it,
we
wouldn't
do
it.
P
It's
too
big
chief
has
because
we
put
a
couple
guys
out
there
to
keep
people
away,
and
there
was
absolutely
nobody
that
showed
up,
because
we
got
a
pretty
good
media
coverage
that
we
closed
the
river.
But
it
also
sends
a
message
so
we
need
to.
We
need
to
have
a
very
good,
stronger
policy
in
place
so
that
we
can
again
like
we
were
talkin.
P
You
can't
enforce
something
that
you
haven't
created
a
policy
around
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we
want
to
keep
you
guys
involved
in
and
engaged
in
just
because
what
we
do
upstream
has
an
effect
downstream,
and
so,
if
we,
if
we
keep
them
off
of
there
and
what
you
know,
they
could
come
in
down
down
close
to
you.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
persistent
these
people
are,
but
they
certainly
don't
have
any
perception.
This
is
not
Boulder
Creek.
This
is
not.
You
know
those
two
big
creeks
that
so.
P
Tall-
and
that
was
the
thing
there
was
about
two
inches
of
water
in
the
river
at
the
time,
so
it
was,
it
was
a
environmental
and
it
was
safety,
and
it
was
just
trying
to
stop
stupid
too.
So
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
loop.
Everybody
in
that
by
that
that's
kind
of
where
that's
at
when
we
will
continue
to
work
on
that
and
keep
keep
you
guys,
engaged
and
informed
on
what
would
you
there,
because
I
think
it
does
have
an
effect
on
everybody
else?
Thank
you.