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F
I'm
happy
to
introduce
myself
if
that's
easier.
My
name
is
kendra
crawberry,
I'm
working
with
the
interim
city
attorney
position
where
a
bunch
of
attorneys
in
my
office
are
trying
to
cover
all
of
this.
So
I'm
here
to
discuss
with
you
the
proposed
changes
to
the
ordinance
for
the
hpc
and
historic
preservation,
and
hopefully
we
can
work
through
some
of
those
issues
and
move
on.
G
And
if
jason
had
been
here,
I
would
have
asked
him
if
he'd
had
a
chance
to
discuss
this
further
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
That
would
is
how
we
left
it
after
the
last
meeting
because
he's
the
the
best
explainer
of
what
what
we
are
attempting
to
do
there,
but
I
think
the
rest
of
us
do
understand
it.
So.
E
Yeah
and
when
I
had
spoke
to
him
when
he
had
called
and
said
he
wasn't
going
to
make
the
meeting
we
were
discussing
about.
Maybe
me
him
myself
and
kendra
getting
together
at
some
point
in
the
next
couple
weeks
and
just
talking
about
the
proposed
changes
before
the
study
session.
A
F
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
and
work
through
those
issues,
and
maybe
what
I
could
then
could
focus
on
tonight
is
just
sort
of
a
general
overview
of
of
my
impression
of
where
we
are
and
then
I
can
discuss
details
offline
whatever.
Whatever
works
for
you
all,
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
here
to
try
to
facilitate
you
getting
to
a
position
where
we're
all
in
the
same
place
before
we
go
meet
with
council.
So
I
think
that's
where
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
G
Well,
thank
you.
I
we
I'm
sure
very
much
like
to
hear
what
what
your
impression
is
so
far
of
what
we've
produced
sure.
E
So,
let's
do
let's
not
jump
ahead.
We
need
to
still
need.
G
I
guess
that's
on
the
agenda.
Yes,
so,
as
everyone
looked
at
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
and
does
anyone
have
any
changes.
G
All
in
favor
signify
by
saying
I
I.
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F
G
Our
our
changes
are
mostly
come
from
a
template
provided
by
history,
colorado,
which
is
for
cities
that
are
certified
local
governments,
and
there
is
well
there
are
advantages
to
being
a
city,
a
certified
local
government
in
grants,
available,
tax
breaks
and
so
forth.
It
is
even
without
getting
that
status.
G
It
is
just
a
common
way
to
organize
the
historic
preservation
commission.
F
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
background,
and
I
I
I
just
want
to
preface
this
by
saying
I'm
kind
of
working
off
what
we
have
found
to
be
sort
of
the
notes
that
you
know
alex's
notes
and
some
changes
that
I've
seen
to
the
to
the
ordinance.
I've
done
a
bit
of
this
with
my
other
clients,
so
I
under
I
think
I
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
I
did
speak
with
the
mayor
a
bit
about
this.
F
F
So
I
hope
that
that
is
helpful
to
you.
Do
you
all
have
that
document,
or
is
that
something
that
you
remember,
or
we
can
go
through
quickly,
can.
F
F
Yes,
okay,
yes,
I'm
just
okay,
so
perhaps
the
easiest
way
to
do
it
would
be
to
go
through
alex's
proposed
edits
right
here
and
then
I'll
try
to
explain
or
say
where
I
don't
necessarily.
I
don't
say
I
disagree
with
him
because
I
never
like
I
don't
know.
Critiquing
other
attorneys
work
but
I'll
just
say
where
I
maybe
come
from
of
a
different
perspective.
So
let's
just
say
it
that
way.
G
Well,
we
don't
have
any
objections
to
critiquing
an
attorney's
work.
So,
okay
and
some
of
the
amendments
I
mean
the
purple
highlighted
ones-
are
alex's
amendments
the
others
are
ours.
F
Okay,
yeah.
That
was
another
thing
I
was
trying
trying
to
keep
all
the
amendments
straight.
So
I
appreciate
that
so,
let's
just
on
these
first
ones,
so
maybe
you
can
help
me
with
this.
These
strikethroughs
are
these
yours.
So
let's
go
I'm
looking
at
16,
16,
11,
1
and
there's
a
strikethrough
a1.
Excuse
me
is
that
your
strikethrough,
or
that
that
isn't
shown
in
any
color.
I
was
just
wondering,
but
it's
I
don't
want
to
go
through
this
line
by
line.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
G
We
have
at
least
one
building
in
the
city.
That
is
a
landmark
in
the
history
of
architecture.
It
is
not
really
something
that
we
we
felt
was
okay
for.
H
F
F
Yeah-
and
I
think
so
overall,
and
especially
in
speaking
with
the
mayor
about
this,
so
I
think
you
all
can
definitely
recommend
just
like
you
can
recommend
a
number
of
other
things
districts
as
well.
I
don't
see
any
issues
with
that.
I
think
what
the
council
would
what
the
council
was
worried
about.
Is
you
not?
Is
the
council
not
having
input,
and
I
said
to
the
mayor?
Well,
the
way
I
read
it,
it's
a
district
just
like
anything
else.
F
It
comes
to
the
city
council
for
approval,
correct
I
mean
so
I
yeah
so
in
other
words,
you
all
can
recommend
a
district
and
the
council
may
or
may
not
agree
with
that
right,
but
it
is
up
to
the
council
in
the
end.
So,
as
I
put
it
to
the
mayor,
you
guys
do
all
the
work.
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
you
do
all
the
work
and
determine
whether
the
district
is
appropriate
for
a
district
and
then
it
goes
to
the
council
to
approve
or
not
approve.
F
So
I
so
where
I
slightly
disagree
with
what
alex
has
done
here
is,
I
don't
think
this
needs
to
be
deleted.
I
just
think
it
needs
to
be,
and-
and
I
think
it
is
later
the
way
I
read
it
clarified
that
the
council
makes
the
final
decision
on
whether
a
district
is
a
district.
That's
that's
really.
What
happens
is
that
and
is
that
what
you
all
are
we're
hoping
for,
or
are
we
hoping
for
more.
I
So
kendra,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
here
real
fast
too,
and
I
I'm
trying
to
remember
context
on
this
also,
but
I
I
don't
know
if
all
of
the
strikethroughs
were
ones
that
we
proposed.
I
There
was
some
brief
back
and
forth,
and
I
believe
that
jason
correct
me.
If
I'm
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
in
that
melinda,
I
believe
jason
met
again
with
the
city
attorney
before
he
left.
I'm
not
sure
did
that
happen.
Do
we
know
if
that
happened.
I
Yeah,
so
I
think
you
know-
and
this
is
my
opinion
obviously
but
it'd-
be
nice-
to
look
at
this
kind
of
with
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
and
instead
of
trying
to
take
the
approach
from
an
attorney-
that's
not
here
anymore
sure
and
and
kind
of
look
at
this,
maybe
the
strikethroughs
present
or
not.
Present.
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
melinda
cj,
you
jump
in
here
and
or
cash
jump
in
here.
Tell
me
you
know
if
I'm,
if
I'm
wrong,
saying
this
but
be
nice
to
look
at
this
holistically.
You
know
as
one
complete
and
then
find
if
there's
anything
wrong
with
it
as
a
whole
and
work
from
there.
Okay,.
F
That's
fair.
I
could
certainly
do
that.
I
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
who
like
who
was
proposing
what
and
where
you
know,
but
I
understand
I
think,
that's
a
fair
way
to
look
at
it.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
don't
know
that
district
needs
to
be
deleted
here.
If
you
all
think
it
does,
that's
fine
district
can
stay
in
or
not
because
as
long
as
it's
finally
up
to
the
city
council,
you
can
designate
our
nominated
district
as
well.
So
it's
it.
F
Okay,
well,
let's
move
down
a
little
bit
this
yellow.
F
F
I
guess
I'm
going
to
keep
asking
this
only
because
I
I
don't
know
why
this
was
stricken
if
it
was
tricked
by
you,
because
you
don't
want
it
to
go
to
the
community
development
department
or
was
it
because
I
I
guess
that's
my
question.
I
don't
I
don't
know
why
this
is
tricky.
It's
fine!
It
doesn't
ask
the
commission.
C
E
I
think
that
section,
if
I
can
hop
in
here,
if
I
remember
right,
I
think
that
section
was
repeated
elsewhere
in
the
ordinance.
Okay.
D
F
I
This
is
a
real
quick
point
of
order
here
and
I
don't
want
to
delay
anything
or
have
any
problems
here,
obviously,
but
to
kind
of
second,
what
cj
was
saying
is
that
a
lot
of
this
language
was
language.
That
was,
I
mean,
we
all
worked
on
it
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this.
But
jason
truly
is
the
resident
expert
on
this.
Due
to
his,
you
know
position
with
history
colorado.
I
So
a
lot
of
the
language
in
here
was
copied
from
existing
language
that
was
found
in
other
places,
which
we
were
hoping
was
going
to
make
it
easier
for
the
city
attorney's
office,
but
he
also
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
definitions
as
to
why
commonly
seen
and
the
fact
that
he's
not
president.
The
meeting
this
evening
kind
of
makes
it
a
little
bit
difficult
here
for
us
to
comment
to
the
level
and
knowledge
that
he
he's
able
to
so.
F
And
I'm
happy
to
take
this
offline
with
him
and
then
come
back
to
you.
That's
fine
with
me,
in
other
words,
if,
if
it's
more
efficient
for
me
to
discuss
some
of
this
with
him
and
not
take
up
your
time,
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
I
I
was
in
the
impression
he
would
be
here,
so
I
you
know
so.
That's
I
understand
I
don't
want
to
waste
your
time
either.
So
if
you
have
other
things
you
want
to
move
on
to.
Are
you
having
another
meeting
before
you
meet
with
the
council.
E
That
was
where
I
was
going
to
hop
in
because
all
the
materials
too
for
the
council
packet
are
due,
on
my
end
to
council
by
the
seventh
may
7th.
E
So
unless
we
wanted
to
do
some
sort
of
special
meeting
between
now
and
then
where
we
finalize
what
we,
what
you
want
to
present
to
counsel
that's
fine.
Otherwise,
we
would
need
to
consider
moving
back
the
study
session
yeah.
E
H
Just
to
add
my
two
cents,
I
know
I
wasn't
here
last
month:
I'm
not
opposed
to
doing
a
special
meeting
before
that
may
7th
deadline,
and
I'm
also
not
opposed
if
jason
is
willing.
I
know
he's
been
very
generous
with
his
time
on
this
to
work
with
kendra
offline,
because
I
think
to
matt
and
cj's
points.
We
may
not
have
all
the
answers
that
you're
looking
for
to
work
through
this
picking
this
up
midstream.
H
I
so
yeah,
I
think,
matt
and
cj.
I
think
that's
a
fine
idea
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
willing
to
get
a
special
meeting
in
because
I
know
I
know
the
study
sessions
are
hard
to
get
on
the
schedule.
For
so
I
know
we
don't
want
to
push
that,
but
I
don't
I
don't
mind
doing
a
special
meeting
to
deal
with
this
after
kendra's
been
able
to
link
up
with
jason.
That's
just
my
personal
take
just
because
we've
been
working
on
this.
For
so
long.
A
G
And
I
think
we
need
to
share
with
kendra
also
what
was
our
final
draft.
That
would
maybe
be
a
bit
less
confusing
than
trying
to
read
through
all
of
the
highlighting
on
that
document.
F
If
you
would
do
that,
if
someone
would
do
that,
that
would
be
great.
I
could
just
run
a
compare
at
least
so
I
would
understand
at
least
what
your
changes
are
from
the
current
code
and
then
I
could
understand.
Maybe
maybe
I
could
just
take
a
fresh
look
like
someone
mentioned
earlier,
just
at
your
changes
based
on
the
current
code
and
just
go
from
there,
and
maybe
we
don't
worry
about
what
happened
prior
and
I'll.
Just
take
a
fresh
look,
because
I
do
have
a
bit
of
experience
looking
at
these.
F
H
H
E
A
A
A
F
G
F
G
D
Sorry,
I've
been
having
connection
issues,
but
I
think
that
day
will
work
for
me.
A
G
Well,
let's,
let's
shoot
for
monday
the
3rd
and
it
gives
a
week
or
so,
and
we
can
hope
jason
can
work
in
something
before
that
date.
E
F
G
Well,
thank
you
for
taking
a
look
at
this
for
us.
C
F
A
D
A
G
G
We're
also
welcoming
sean
lewis
who's
come
to
to
help
us
talk
about
the
historic
neighborhoods
and
versus
development
neighborhoods.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I'm
glad
glad
to
be
here
with
all
of
you
tonight,
so
I
thought
I
would
just
start
with
a
little
bit
of
background
on
on
kind
of
how
the
conversation
started
way
back
when
I
was
hired
back
in
september
of
2019
and
at
that
time
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
did
is
ask
council
members
for
people
that
they
thought
I
should
meet
with.
J
One
of
the
names
that
came
up
was
mike
jones,
who
I
think
many
of
you
know
and
have
worked
with
before,
and
so
I
sat
down
with
him
and
one
of
the
really
interesting
things
that
he
talked
to
me
about
was
his
work
on
the
historic
preservation
commission
and
the
fact
that
you
guys
were
really
digging
into
historic,
subdivision
names
and
looking
at
ways
of
you
know
providing
some
neighborhood
areas
for
the
city,
so
that
neighborhoods
could
be
organized,
or
at
least
so
that
we
would
know
and
be
able
to
preserve
those
historic
names,
particularly
the
old
subdivision
names,
and
I
thought
that
was
an
amazing
idea.
J
I
asked
if
I
could
see
the
map
and
he
said
well
we're
still
working
on
it
at
that
time,
back
in
2019,
early
part
of
2020
so,
but
I
also
was
able
to
share
with
him.
You
know
the
vision
that
I
was
discussing
with
city
council
members
individually
about
the
need
to
really
establish
neighborhoods
and
the
fact
that
you
know.
Unlike
a
lot
of
cities,
we
didn't
have
homeowners
associations
that
kind
of
created,
distinct,
individual
neighborhoods.
J
At
that
time
there
was
a
lot
of
community
division
and
strife.
You
may
remember
both
between
residents
as
well,
as
you
know,
pointed
towards
at
the
city,
and
luckily
a
lot
of
that
has
calmed
down.
J
But
at
the
time
we
were
really
a
divided
community
and
we
really
thought
and
in
doing
research
on
how
we
can
improve
that
establishing
neighborhoods
and
getting
people
talking
to
each
other
and
knowing
each
other
and
gathering
within
neighborhoods,
as
well
as
just
a
voice
for
neighborhoods
at
the
city
council
and
into
the
city,
was
really
important.
So
mike-
and
I
agreed
to
meet
later,
to
talk
about
that.
J
If
we
could
get
the
program
started,
which
we
did,
we
hired
madeline
started
the
neighborhood
resources
program
and
then
mike
got
off
the
hbc.
So
I
was
disappointed
in
that
and
but
in
talking
to
eric
and
some
to
matt
crabtree
found
out
that
the
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
mapping
project
was
still
on
and
so
asked
madeline
to
start
attending
meetings.
Talking
to
some
of
you
just
to
see
if
there
is
a
way
for
us
to
really
coordinate
instead
of
having
you
know
yet
another
map.
J
We
laugh
at
the
city
that
we
have
a
district
map
for
police,
that's
different
than
the
district
map
for
city
councils,
that's
different
from
the
the
utility
maps
that
we
have
that
have
district
names.
So
I
thought
well,
here's
one
opportunity
that
we
could
actually
coordinate
between
the
historic
neighborhoods
that
you
you
all
were
looking
at
as
well
as
the
the
neighborhood.
You
know
establishing
neighborhoods
that
we
were
looking
at
through
the
neighborhood
resources
program.
J
So,
in
my
mind,
we
were
coming
hat
in
hand
to
say
how
can
we
partner
on
this-
and
I
know
that
madeleine
was
able
to
meet
with
a
couple
of
you
to
talk
about
some
of
your
maps
at
that
time.
You
all
provided
us
with
a
couple
of
maps
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
share
a
screen
here,
and
this
is
what
the
this
is.
What
the
map
that
I
think
I
know
that
this
has
changed
and
meeting
with
colleen
and
melinda
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
J
I
learned
that
this
has
changed
a
little
bit,
but
this
is
the
one
that
we
were
provided
and
I
know
madeline
worked
with
our
gis
folks
and
we
were
basically
just
drew
those
boundaries.
There
was
one
change
made
that
madeleine
was
working
with
an
established
neighborhood
that
I
think
you
all
had
originally
called
pushing
a
large
neighborhood
there
and
they
said
well.
Actually,
I
think
our
historic
subdivision
name.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
where
it
came
from,
but
that
they
were
calling
themselves
idlewild.
J
So
we
did
make
the
one
change,
but,
as
you
can
see,
essentially
the
two
maps
that
you
all
had
originally
given,
knowing
that
that's
changed
them
and
the
map
that
we
ended
up
drawing
and
putting
into
our
gis
system
are
the
same
without
exception
other
than
the
one
that
I
mentioned
there.
So
we
were
really
trying
to
focus
on.
You
know
trying
to
coordinate
with
you
all
trying
to
work
to
see
if
we
could
really
use
the
amazing
work
that
you
all
have
done.
J
You
know
looking
into
these
historic
names,
preserving
that
history
and
it
seemed
we
could
really
overlay
that
into
our
work
on
the
neighborhood
resources
program,
so
in
knowing
that
we
in
hearing
that
we've
kind
of
come
to
an
impasse.
The
last
couple
of
meetings,
which
I
appreciate
the
discussion
around
this
I
reached
out
to
melinda
helene
myself
madeline
and
chris
hargith,
who
is
madeline's
boss,
the
director
of
communications.
J
We
had
a
good
meeting
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
really
sought
to
understand
kind
of
each
other's
needs
and
ones,
and
a
lot
of
good
points
that
both
melinda
and
helene
made
that
I
really
appreciate
and
took
to
heart,
and
ultimately
we
decided
that
you
know
maybe
these
are.
These
can
be
completely
separate
projects,
but
we
also
think
that
it's
worth
a
discussion
with
city
council
and
so
helene
melinda.
You
guys
chime
in
on
this
part,
but
I
think
where
we
left.
J
That
is
that
we
really
need
to
have
a
discussion
with
city
council,
because,
ultimately,
it's
not
hpc
and
it's
not
city
staff.
That's
going
to
establish
these
neighborhoods
and
also
we
really
need
to
have
public
input
into
this
too.
And
so
I
think,
where
we
left
it
is
that
you
all
would
try
to
schedule
something
with
city
council
to
talk
when
you
have
your
map
kind
of
finalized,
like
you
want
to
we're
so
glad
to
help
put
that
into
gis.
J
If
we
can
help
you
with
that,
in
whatever
way
we
can
and
then
have
a
discussion
with
council
get
their
thoughts,
see
what
kind
of
public
input
that
they
want
to
have
and
see
as
part
of
this
process
and
then
the
communications
department
can
you
use
all
their
amazing
resources
to
reach
out
to
people
within
the
community,
whether
it's
social
media
or
direct
mail
or
public
meetings,
whatever
that
is,
we
can
help
hbc.
You
know
with
some
of
that
community
outreach
to
come
to
a
conclusion.
J
In
the
meantime,
we
have
pulled
all
maps
that
show
these
districts
and
these
boundaries
down
from
the
website.
We
don't
want
to
cause
any
confusion
that
you
know
anyone
gold
staff,
anybody
else
is
trying
to
create.
You
know,
create
names
and
kind
of
force,
those
onto
people
and
so
we've
taken
all
those
maps
down.
That
was
something
that
we
agreed
to
at
the
meeting
that
we
had
with
colleen
and
melinda.
So
yeah,
that's
a
little
bit
of
background.
J
J
As
a
face
or
a
foundation
of
the
work
that
we
want
to
do
in
our
neighborhood
resources
program,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
that
doesn't
work
for
you
all,
then
we
can
go
a
different
direction,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
city
council
has
the
ability
to
really
weigh
in
and
provide
feedback
because,
as
kendra
said
a
moment
ago,
ultimately
it's
their
decision
so
glad
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
may
have.
B
B
I
also
want
to
say
that
going
to
city
council
has
always
been
like
our
plan
and
also
opening
up
public
feedback
at
that
stage,
and
in
fact,
when
we
voted
on
the
map
that
you
showed,
we
also
voted
on
a
plan
of
action
that
was
attached
to
that.
And
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
both.
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
the
pdf
that
had
the
plan
of
action
that
was
part
of
the
map
yeah
and
as
that
part
of
that
plan
of
action
has
like
stages.
B
So
we
voted
on
the
map
and
the
plan
of
action,
and
then
the
next
stages
were
to
do
some
revisions
set
up
a
study
session
open
up
to
public
feedback,
explore
a
couple
different
options
for
interfaces
and
then
plan
out
like
a
way
to
promote
the
map
that
we
we
ended
up
with
after
it
got
vetted
through
the
community
and
city
council.
B
So
that's
there
and
then
I
also
want
to
add
that
matt
has
agreed
to
join
the
sub
group
for
the
map
project,
which
is
such
a
great
addition
as
president
of
the
historic
society
and
an
engineer.
Who's
worked
on
many
complex
projects.
B
I
know
that
matt
is
going
to
be
a
great
resource
to
help
us
navigate
this
and
one
thing
that
we
also
discussed
matt,
and
I
I
think,
since
that
meeting
was
because
I
know
you
want
to
get
more
granular
too,
with
the
map
so
that
it's
easy
like
more
granular
neighborhoods.
So
it's
easier
to
organize.
B
There
are
opportunities
to
do
that
right
along
the
subdivision
lines,
but
I
still
maintain
that
the
historic
districts
that
are
large
and
set
in
stone
and
historic,
broadway,
south
broadway
heights
being
the
largest.
It's
really
big
it's.
I
don't
know
that
it's
a
great
idea
to
break
it
up,
because
I
think
it
would
create
a
community
backlash
to
be
honest,
like
I
think,
residents
of
south
broadway
heights
who
would
get
potentially
excluded
from
that
neighborhood
because
of
a
newly
drawn
boundary.
I
think
they
would.
B
We
could
anticipate
that
that
people
wouldn't
like
that
and
so
the
new
map,
the
the
revisions
that
I
made,
that
I
have
right
now
that
we
can
vote
on
later
today
has
the
map
you
showed
by
the
way
strayer
broadway
heights
is
in
there.
That's
a
second
change
that
you'll
see
from
our
map
to
the
map
you
showed
and
two
of
our
commissioners
live
there.
So
I
know
they
picked
up
on
that
because
you
guys
live
there
right.
They
saw
that
so
strayer
broadway
heights
was
also
removed.
B
As
a
change,
I
think
the
the
other
two
things
was
that
south
broadway
heights
is
re
redrawn
to
its
original
borders,
which
I
know
cj
was
always
an
issue
for
you,
because
it
has
that
historical
significance,
and
if
we're
we're
going
to
maintain
the
historic
map,
then
we
we
need
to
honor
those
boundaries,
so
that's
been
redrawn
and
then
arapahoe
acres
doesn't
include
the
areas
around
it
that
are
technically
not
arapahoe
acres,
so
those
are
already
like
existing
neighborhoods
with
strong
boundaries.
B
So
we
I
redrew
those
to
reflect
the
accurate
boundaries
and,
as
the
commission,
we
can
vote
on
that
today.
If
you
guys
want
to-
and
then
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
about
the
maps
is
for
me
the
biggest
issue
with
with
what
I
understand,
the
city's
approach
to
be-
and
this
was
after
asking
many
many
times
for
clarity
and
always
getting
the
same
answer-
is
the
idea
of
fluid
boundaries.
B
I
even
suggested
at
one
point
like:
can
we
slow
the
changes
down
and
do
them
annually
or
quarterly?
The
reality
is
that
we've
been
told
that
the
borders
can
change
frequently.
So
I
I
wonder
if
that's
something
that
we
can
agree
to
have
when
we
do
come
up
with
a
finalized
map.
Can
we
agree
that
it's
stationary
for
now,
like
I
don't
know
how
long
I'm
not
going
to
say
forever,
but
but
not
planning
for
it
to
already
change.
J
Yeah,
I
appreciate
the
question
I
I
reviewed
the
tapes
from
the
meetings
and
I
didn't
hear
that
from
from
anyone
on
city
staff
and-
and
I
would
say
that
the
the
discussion
on
fluidity
is
just
that
when
we
have
public
feedback
when
we
have
public
input
and
we
take
it
to
city
council
to
you
know,
make
final
decisions
around
this
there's
going
to
be
fluidity
up
until
that
point.
J
J
So
we
actually
put
some
money
in
council
did
last
on
monday
night
to
look
at
how
we
can
help
provide
some
neighborhood
signage
for
neighborhoods,
once
they're
getting
established,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
similar
vision
to
you
all
in
that
we
would
love
to
see
some
signage.
You
know-
maybe
it's
a
topper
on
top
of
the
street
sign
that
you
know
says
the
name
of
the
district
and
by
nature
of
that
that
type
of
project
you
have
to
have
neighborhood
boundaries
that
stick.
J
C
I
throw
out
the
idea
that
neighborhood
groupings
we
were
trying
to
even
separate
the
idea
of
the
terminology,
but
neighborhood
groupings
are
going
to
be
fluid
because
of
the
person
that
kind
of
coordinates
everything
moves
away
or
dies
that
or
loses
interest,
and
so
then
another
neighborhood
kind
of
absorbs
this
other
block
and
whatever,
and
so
I
picture
that
camaraderie
building
still
happening,
but
still
changing.
Now
the
idea
of
having
subdivisions-
I
don't
know
what
other
words
to
call
it
within
certain
neighborhoods.
C
J
Yeah,
to
some
extent
I
I
agree,
but
I
do
think
that
once
the
the
neighborhood
boundaries
are
established
and
we
did
express
the
need
for
some
some
subdividing
of
some
of
the,
like,
I
think,
just
three
or
four
of
the
really
large
neighborhoods
that
I
think
that
you
know
within
those
areas,
you
might
have
kind
of
sub
groupings
that
yeah
involve
different
people,
but
the
neighborhood
doesn't
change.
J
So
I
think
we're
I
think,
we're
in
agreement
on
that
that
you
know
we
think
the
boundaries
of
the
neighborhood
should
be
set
at
some
point.
We
want
to
set
those
but
yeah
there
may
be
two
or
three
groupings
within
that
neighborhood.
What
we
were
hoping,
though,
and
what
I
met
with
matt
and
talked
to
helene
and
belinda
about,
is
because
some
of
the
names
just
seemed
like
a
park
was
picked
and
it
doesn't
really
feel
like
the
historic
subdivision
name.
J
I
have
looked
at
the
subdivision
map
that
mike
jones
showed
me,
and
there
are
plenty
of
historic
subdivision
names
within
that
that
could
have
been
used
to
say,
divide
up
that
into
something
a
little
bit
smaller
and
more
manageable
and,
as
I
explained
to
melinda
and
helene,
the
neighborhood
research
shows
that
when
a
neighborhood
gets
more
than
about
three
or
four
hundred
households,
it's
a
little
unwieldy
for
volunteers
to
be
able
to
really
coordinate
and
cj
probably
knows
this
being
having
arapahoe
acres,
that's
about
as
big
as
you
can
get,
or
a
coordinator,
or
even
a
group
of
coordinators
to
actually
work
with.
J
So
we
had
talked
about
for,
I
think
three
or
four
of
the
the
larger
neighborhoods.
Could
we
use
some
of
those
historic
subdivision
names
and
divide
those
up
a
little
bit
more
for
the
neighborhood
group
leader.
But
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and-
and
I
don't
disagree-
we
could
still
have
neighborhood
like
four
neighborhood
groups
within
logandale,
for
instance,
you
know-
and
maybe
that
would
be
logandale
one.
Two
three
four
I
mean
we
can
work
with
whatever
we
have
once
the
neighborhood
boundaries
are
set.
I
So,
just
to
you
know
just
kind
of
throw
out
there.
I
think
you
know
rumor
has
it
from
denver
when
they
went
through
and
named
their
their
neighborhoods.
There
was
a
lot
of
tension
and
frustration
throughout
that
process,
and
I
think
it's
going
that
that
that's
kind
of
the
nature
of
this-
and
we
just
have
to
work
through
that
and
and
it's
going
to
happen
and
we'll
get
to
an
end
point
and
a
conclusion
and
and
something
that,
hopefully
everybody
can
agree
on.
You
know
since
the
the
early.
I
I
think
it's
probably
the
first
or
second
meeting
in
the
hbc
we've
talked
about
this,
so
this
is
something
and
it's
kind
of
evolved
back
and
forth.
But
you
know
your
points
are
heard
loud
and
clear.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
few
challenges
with,
as
helene
mentioned,
with
south
broadway
heights.
I
Strayer
broadway's
broadway
heights
could
be
that's
a
pretty
big
area.
I
think
that
might
just
maybe
fit
around
that
number
you
you
mentioned,
but
a
little
bit
larger
and
there
are
a
few
other
challenges.
There's
there's
areas
of
the
city
that
don't
have
historic
names
and
designations
and
or
areas
that
are
very
small
and
so
there's
going
to
be
some
work
that
has
to
be
done
there.
I
I
guess
to
to
mold
that-
and
I
think
that's
where
we've
kind
of
strayed
along
this
path,
thus,
thus
far,
but
you
know
getting
the
community
input-
is
going
to
be
a
huge
part
of
this
too.
So
but
yeah.
G
Well-
and
I
think
one
of
the
questions
that
occurred
to
us
also
was
how
historical
do
we
want
to
get.
I
know
you've
had
some
feedback
from
somebody
who
lives
in
jackson's
broadway
heights
and
was
upset
to
find
it
labeled
logandale,
which
actually
predates
jackson's
broadway
heights
and
at
least
on
the
1919
sanborn
map.
It
was
jackson's
broadway
heights.
So
it's
been
that
for
a
long
time
and
before
that
it
was
logandale
before
inglewood
was
even
incorporated.
G
It's
like
how
far
back
do
we
go
it
or
what
what
I
would
like
to
see
happen
is
if
we
have
a
digital
map,
that
is
layers,
and
you
can
click
on
your
house
and
go
back
in
time
and
find
out
what
it
was
100
years
ago
or
150
years
ago
or
whatever,
but.
J
J
Yes,
now
we
have
a
handful
of
properties
that
aren't
subdivided
or
don't
there's,
not
an
official
subdivision,
and
you
probably
found
that
so
we
can
layer
that
our
gis
folks
can
give
you
that
layering
to
show
you
every
boundary
of
the
historic
subdivision
in
in
that
we
can
do
that,
live
in
the
meeting
to
put
it
on
screen,
etc.
So
we're
glad
to
help
with
that,
but
yeah.
J
I
noticed
the
same
thing
that,
for
instance,
up
where
we
have
just
kind
of
picked
a
park
name
for
the
whole
neighborhood
we've
gotten
feedback
from
two
people.
That
said,
that's
not
our
subdivision
name
and
that's
just
like
a
park
and
we
have
no
connection
to
it.
It's
actually
the
part
that's
above
borders,
denver
up
north
of
dartmouth
was
one
of
the
residents
and
so
yeah.
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
actually
even
beat
up
the
historic
nate
nomenclature
that
we're
using.
But
frankly
you
guys
are
the
experts
on
that.
J
So
we
want
to,
you
know,
rely
on
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
this
and
really
use
it
as
a
foundation.
B
I
think
just
for
some
context
on
some
of
those
decisions
like
the
jackson
heights,
we
cut
it
off.
B
Actually,
if
you
look
at
the
map
it
and
it's
cut
along
the
district
line,
because
one
of
the
things
we
wanted
to
do
was
keep
neighborhoods,
we
tried
to
reconcile
the
parks
map,
the
district
map
and
the
subdivision
map,
so
we
tried
to
like,
and
we
tried
to
lean
into
what
people
know
and
use
today
which
is
hard
to
do,
but
that's
why
some
of
those
lines
are
weird
and
I
think
what
we
I
think
ultimately
we'll
have
to
see
what
city
council
says
about.
B
How
important
is
it
that
the
lines
follow
at
least
district
lines?
Is
that
important
at
all
or
not?
And
then,
lastly,
if
people
show
up
and
have
you
know
strong
identifications
with
their
subdivisions
like
let's
say
in
jason
park
or
logandale
like,
we
can
then
get
more
granular.
But
if
we
just
went
to
the
subdivisions,
we
would
have
been
too
granular
in
a
lot
of
places
and
then
we
already
had
this
parts
map
which
has
been
circulating.
I
think
since
2016.
B
and
then
we
have
the
district's
map,
so
it
was
sort
of
like,
and
then
we
have
the
histo
like
the
historically
significant
areas,
because
not
every
subdivision
is
maybe
significant.
You
know,
even
if
it's
historic,
so
we
tried
to
reconcile
all
that
with
this
first
draft
and
then
we'll
see
what
the
community
says
about
it.
And
the
other
thing
I
want
to
ask
is:
do
we
have
our
study
session
date
with
city
council
set
up
yet
for
the
maps.
B
Okay,
because
it
would
be
great
to
have
like
a
form
on
the
website
for
community
feedback
for
us
to
sift
through
as
a
commission,
so
that
there's
like
an
organized
way
like
just
a
short
questionnaire
where
it's
like.
What's
the
address,
or
what's
the
name
just
like
very
simple,
so
that
we
can
sift
through
that
and
get
like
a
good
sense
of
the
feedback
versus
just
the
voices
heard
at
city
council.
I'd
like
to
have
that
form.
If
we
can
have
that
up
by
the
time
we
like
approach
city
council
with
it.
I
Well,
helene-
and
I
have
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit
and
I
think
we
we
both
come
at
this
from
from
the
same
end
goal
and
same
perspective.
It
may
be
a
little
bit
of
difference
of
opinion
along
the
way
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
work.
I
think
that
actually
will
make
it
make
it
even
better,
because
we'll
get
a
different
perspective
on
it
here.
I
So
we'll
we'll
work
together
on
this
and
we'll,
I
guess,
bring
information
back
to
the
commission
and
then
eventually
to
council
and
then
onward
to
the
community.
C
And
I
guess
just
formally
I'll
go
ahead
and
remove
myself
from
this
group
since
I
haven't
been
involved,
and
so
just
so
you
know
I
self
remove.
I
But
we'd
love
to
have
your
input
on
this
too
and
obviously
everybody's
input,
but
you
know
you
cj
you've
worked
with
mike
on
this
quite
a
bit
too,
so
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
context,
a
lot
of
groundwork
that
should
you've
done
with
this.
So
getting
getting
your
input
you
know
on
this
will
be
helpful.
Also.
E
So
my
question
to
you
guys
would
be
what
would
you
like
to
see
in
terms
of
the
map
where
you
would
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
with
getting
a
study
session
with
council
set
up?
I
mean:
is
this
something
you
want
to
kind
of
work
on
in
this
next
month
and
see
what
we
come
back
with
next
month
and
go
from
there
or
what?
E
B
I
have
a
revised
map
right
now
that
has
the
changes
that
have
been
requested
by
members
of
the
commission.
Those
changes
are
to
redraw
arapahoe
acres
to
redraw
south
broadway
heights
to
make
sure
that
strayer's
broadway
heights
is
included.
So
I
have
a
map
with
those
with
those
updates
on
it.
It's
really
up
to
you,
matt.
If
you
think
we
should
go
at
it
one
more
time
before
opening
it
up
or
should
we
vote
on
this
updated
map
and
have
this
be
our
first
draft.
I
Let's
try
to
go
at
this
one
more
time.
You
know
I
all
to
be
honest,
I'll,
probably
eye
towards
the.
I
I
don't
know
how
much
work
this
is
going
to
be
at
this
point,
but
I
towards
the
side
of
more
historic
granular
subdivisions,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
work
back
from
there
as
a
commission.
What
do
you
think
of
that?
I
mean
I
it's
see
this
is
this
is
the
same
thing.
We
talked
about
the
other
night,
it's
it's
difficult
when
you
go
to
that
level,
but
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
sit
down
at
least,
and
maybe
you
and
I
can
work
together
on
this-
to
take
one
more
pass.
B
Okay,
let's
do
one
more
pass
at
it
and
then
I'm
interested
too
in
not
necessarily
like
perfecting
it,
but
then
like
getting
it
open
to
the
community
to
see
like
where
the
where
the
interest
is
from
the
community
level
is
like
how
granular
we
need
to
go,
and
I
also
was
under
the
impression
that
community
members
are
identifying
their
neighborhood
somewhat
with
the
parks.
B
So,
if
that's
something
they're
doing
today,
do
we
want
to
like
override
a
contemporary
convention
for
history?
Is
that
a
battle
we
can
win?
And
so
those
are
things
like
we
can
discuss,
but
I'd
ask
the
commission
to
like
consider
that
too,
like
there's,
obviously
the
historically
significant
neighborhoods
that
everybody
art
knows
that
they
are
still
conventional
because
of
because
of
their
significance.
B
But
it
would
be
hard
to
revive,
like
a
subdivision
name,
that
people
aren't
using
and
one
thing
cj
and
I
found
really
helpful-
is
we
would
look
at
addresses
on
the
map
and
see
how
real
estate
agents
were
billing
them
and
the
real
estate
agents
know
their
subdivisions,
like
the
real
estate
agents,
were
pretty
good
about
calling
out
like
where
the?
What?
What
is
important
about
that
location
that
property
at
that
location?
So
I
think,
there's
just
it's
a
tough
line
to
walk,
so
you
know
between
what's
used
today
and
what's
historically
significant.
C
B
Going
to
keep
documenting
the
his
the
the
notes
on
our
decisions
and
keeping
record
of
what's
in
those
districts,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
trying
to
produce
one
thing,
and
so
we've
got
to
like
figure
out
how
to
reconcile
that
like
we're,
not
producing
two
things,
we're
producing
one
thing
that
has
to
sort
of
represent,
but
all
the
whatever
is
left
out
like
what
you
and
I
did,
cj
whatever
didn't
make
it
into
the
map,
was
documented
in
that
bucket,
and
so
all
that
history
is
being
preserved.
I
Work
yeah,
no,
I
and
I
agree
and
I'll
throw
it
out
there
too,
though,
that
my
my
trouble
with
the
park
designations
and
well
some
people
do
designate
it
with
that.
I
mean
jason
park
area,
that's
that's
probably
the
most
prominent
region
in
the
city
or
duncan
park
both
of
those
the
neighborhood
seems
to
associate
closely
with.
But
there
is
really
no
history
with
the
parks
that
we
have
in
our
city,
all
of
them
or
most
of
them
90
of
them
were
created
in
the
1960s.
I
So
the
historic
areas
go
back
further
than
that.
If
people
remember
those
or
don't
yeah,
it's
hard
to
tell
right
now-
and
there
probably
will
be
upset
people
in
the
duncan
park
and
jason
park
area,
if
they,
you
know
associate
with
one
thing
versus
what's
being
told
to
them,
but
I
think
from-
and
this
is
my
personal
opinion
on
it-
I
think,
from
a
historic
standpoint
perspective
as
the
commission.
I
Maybe
we
lean
a
little
bit
more
into
the
history
side
of
it
and
then
see
what
the
community
and
what
council
says
on
the
parks
side.
But
these
are
all
these.
These
are
discussions.
We
can
work
through,
you
know
and
talk
about
as
as
we,
I
guess,
as
we
work
on
this.
G
I
agreed,
and
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
hit
counsel
with
too
much
at
once.
So
I
think
we
we
need
to
keep
refining
our
our
map
project
and
not
not
include
that
in
the
presentation
on
the
17th.
G
E
That
had
been
the
idea
to
keep
those
two
projects
separate
and
do
separate
study
sessions
with
them
yeah.
So
I
don't
know
if
how
does
it
sound
if
helene
and
matt,
if
you
wanna,
you
know,
do
some
work
on
the
map
and
if
you
wanna
send
me
that
map
by
say
may
12th
the
wednesday
before
the
next
hpc
meeting,
I
can
distribute
it
out
with
the
agenda,
so
everyone
has
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
then
we
can
have
another
discussion
regarding
your
your
newest
findings.
E
B
I'm
really
curious
councilmember
cuesta.
What
do
you
think
about
the
like
jason
park,
because
that's
your
district
and
that's
like
also-
I
live
in
like
jackson,
broadway
technically,
but
I'm
really
liking
jason,
I'm
in
dale
like
him
and
all
that,
so
our
neighborhood
really
does
call
it
jason
park
like
that's
what
everybody
calls
the
neighborhood
around
the
park,
but
it's
not
a
historic,
that's
not
historically
significant.
K
K
I
feel
like
we're
having
a
similar
discussion
with
architecture
and
development
in
the
neighborhoods
and
and
here's
what
we
have
historically
and
here's
what
it's
been
and
then
we
have
a
lot
of
folks
who
say
this
is
the
direction
it's
going.
I
have.
I
had
always
heard
jason
park
myself,
so
I
I
think
that
if
you
were
to
just
you
know,
survey
people
in
that
neighborhood
and
ask
them
where's
jason
park,
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
tell
you
with
these
historical
names
that
all
that's
not
always
necessarily
the
case
I
mean
directionally.
K
These
names
are
often
indicative
in
some
cases.
If
you,
if
you
do
jason
park,
I
would
say
this
too,
though,
and
I'm
glad
that
you've
leaned
on
this
and
I'm
glad
that
sean
leaned
on
it
too.
I
think
it
really
should
go
back
to
to
the
neighborhoods
and
and
it's
hard
to
get,
you
know
every
single
person
to
give
feedback,
but
I
I
to
me
it
should
really
come
down
to
what
what
the
neighborhoods
think.
K
If
I
was
a
betting
man-
and
you
know
we
surveyed
every
single
person
in
the
jason
park
neighborhood
and
asked
them
what
they
wanted
to
go
with.
My
thought
would
be
you
get
more
leaning
towards
jason
park,
but
I
could
be
wrong
about
that
and
you
know
I.
I
know
property
values
have
come
up
along
the
way
here,
but
it's
good
to
be
near
a
park.
It
just
is
in
terms
of
real
estate
values,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
folks,
be
it
washington
park
bellevue
park
jason
park.
K
I
think
that
that's
helpful
duncan
park,
we,
you
know,
we've
got
plenty
of
examples
here
in
the
city
I
mean
it
seems
the
only
one
that
I'm
hearing
people
have
maybe
not
a
great
enthusiasm
for
is
romans
park,
and-
and
I
I
don't
know
that
personally,
that's
something
that
the
mayor
mentioned
to
me.
She
she
lives
over
in
that
neighborhood
or
that's
that's
her
district
and
then
you
know.
I
think
that
there's
some
underlying
reasons
for
that,
but
I
I'm
giving
you
a
probably
a
long
answer
here.
K
I
really
hope
that
we
go
with
with
as
much
feedback
as
we
can
get
from
the
citizens.
I'm
guessing
that
in
this
particular
scenario,
I
would
imagine
that
jason
park
would
be
the
one
that
that
won
out.
Given
we
got,
you
know
broad
feedback
from
as
many
people
as
possible.
I
If
we
real
fast
here,
just
to
kind
of
jump
in
it
seems
to
me
if
we
name
it
or
you
know,
designate
closer
to
the
historic
neighborhood
first
that
that
may
prime
more
conversation
in
the
community
about
this.
I
If
we
just
default
to
jason
park,
for
instance
in
that
area,
that
might
people
might
just
accept
it.
But
if,
if
if
we,
if
we
go
to
the
historic
names,
people
might
go
out
and
you
know
come
out
and
say:
hey,
that's
kind
of
neat
or
no.
I
don't
like
that.
Let's
go
back
to
jason
park.
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
context
or
right
right
kind
of
way
to
look
at
this,
but
don't
want
to
sell
ourselves
short
by
just
defaulting.
K
And
you
know
matt,
you
make
a
good
point
too,
and
that
there's
folks
that
may
they
might
even
not
have
an
awareness
of
these
historical
names
and
they
might
find
them.
You
know
catchy
or
that
they
just
like
the
the
feel
of
it,
and
so
that
could
very
well
be
the
case
too,
that
you
know.
Of
course
you
know
it
is
jason
park,
but
did
you
know
the
historical
name
is?
Is
this
and
you
know
that
that
could
certainly
you
know,
gain
some
support
as
well?
K
Sean
even
mentioned
mike
jones,
who
good
lord,
I
think,
was
working
on
this,
for
you
know
a
couple
years
now
that
there's
an
education
component
to
it
that
a
lot
of
folks
just
haven't
done
an
unawareness
of
where
they
are
and
it
does
come
down
to
you're
near
jason
park
you're
near
duncan
park
bellevue
park,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
so
that's
been
a
default,
but
you
know
I
I
think
things
are
becoming
hyper
local.
More
and
more.
It's
interesting.
K
The
world
gets
bigger
and
bigger,
but,
but
I
think
folks
are
just
really
becoming
more
focused
on
their
immediate
area
in
their
neighborhood,
and
there
just
is
some
character
to
some
of
these
names.
There's
no
doubt
about
it.
These
historical
names
and
I
could
certainly
grab
some
folks
and
get
some
support
too.
I
think
I've
argued
for
both
sides.
Now
very
nice.
B
Well,
I
think
that
with
jason
park,
a
couple
things
come
to
mind
one.
Is
it
had
a
lot
of
really
tiny,
granular
subdivisions
in
it?
So
if
you
picked
a
subdivision
to
name
the
area
after
you'd,
be
like
you'd
be
outside
of
the
bounds
of
historical
accuracy
anyway,
because
you'd
be
sort
of
blanking
it
over
you'd,
be
like
grouping
stuff
and
you'd
have
to
group
stuff
in
that
district,
because
those
subdivisions
are
tiny
like
five
homes
and
stuff
like
that.
So
there's
that
issue
also
the
education
factor.
B
Thinking
was
that
there
I
don't
know
how
significant
the
historic
area
is,
that
is
jason
park
versus
the
historic
districts
like
arapahoe
acres
and
strayer
broadway
heights,
like
I,
don't
think
that
we
identify
like
this
neighborhood
as
like,
historically
significant
in
the
same
way
as
arapahoe
acres,
so
the
education
is,
it
well
spent
rebranding
jason
park,
or
is
it
better
to
like
pick
out
like
the
five
or
six
really
significant
historic,
neighborhoods
and
really
like
focus
our
attention
on
those
and
then
keep
the
other
ones?
The
more
convention
of
the
day?
B
So
my
reasoning
personally,
for
not
being
like
not
worrying
about
the
historical
significance
of
some
areas,
was
because
I
was
more
prone
to
value
the
historic
significance
of
other
areas
more.
If
that
makes
sense,
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
but
like
if
you,
if
you
rename
all
the
neighborhoods
across
the
city,
that's
a
lot
of
education
and
I
think
it
would
make
the
project
subject
to
fail.
B
I
think
people
would
ultimately
ignore
you
know
our
decrees,
but
if
we
like
are
strategic
and
kind
of
go
with
the
go
with
the
flow
in
some
areas
and
then
double
down
on
historical
significance
in
others,
I
think
we
can
like
get
maybe
have
a
more
successful
project
because
there's
less
disruption,
so
those
were
just
some
of
the
like
give-and-takes
that
I
was
putting
in
calculus.
So
I'm
interested
to
do
this
with
you
matt,
because
it's
quite
a
calculus.
It's
like
a
lot
of
math
sure.
I
And-
and
maybe-
and
I
don't
want
to
create
a
lot
of
extra
work
here,
because
I
know
this
is
a
lot
of
work
and
cramming
this
into
just
you
know
two
or
three
weeks
away
is
is
a
lot,
so
probably
should
be
realistic
on
the
timing.
But
what?
If
we
create
a
number
of
different
options
that
we
can
pick
from
or
the
council.
B
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
get
community
engagement
and
pull
pull
people
and
see
what
they
have
to
say
and
then
also
we
could
promote
it
on
social
media.
So,
like
people
could
vote
on.
I
It
and
possibly
as
a
later
point.
Nonetheless,
I
I
we
could
probably
take
this
offline.
I
I
think
at
this
point
so
that
we
can
let
the
commission
move
on
to
the
other
business
here,
but
we,
you
know
as
a
kind
of
a
swag
here,
I'm
going
to
say
we
can
probably
provide
an
update
and
quickly
if
I'm
wrong
on
this
celine,
we
can
provide
an
update
prior
to
the
next
meeting,
hopefully
have
something
a
little
bit
more
refined,
but
this
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
get
it
completely
ironed
out
by
then.
What
do
you
think.
B
I
think
that's
the
exact
right
expectation
and
then
I
think
what
we
can
do
too
is
if
we're
going
to
pull
or
have
like
a
choices
we
don't
have
to
like
make
the
decisions.
We
can
just
decide
the
options
which
is
way
easier
than
actually
making
the
hard
decisions
so
like
we
can
look
at
a
couple
options
and
some
of
our
reasoning
behind
what
alternate
names
we
could
have
for
like
the
jason
park
area,
the
duncan
park
area,
but
we
don't
actually
have
to
make
that
hard
decision.
If
we
do
open
it
up.
I
I
G
Well,
and
if,
if
you
haven't
seen
it
yet
also
matt
c
dot's
website
that
has
all
of
the
street
cars,
history
is
really
fascinating
and
they
I
know,
I
sent
helene
and
cj
a
link
to
the
the
englewoods
page
in
that,
because
we
actually
had
another
trolley.
G
Besides
the
cherilyn
horse
car,
they
had
the
the
loretto
heights
railway
was
called,
but
and
but
that
particular
map
gis
project
has
a
time
slider
on
it,
and
you
can
slide
through
time
and
see
different
periods
in
history
on
the
thing
and
that
that's
that's
what
I'm
thinking
of
when
I'm
thinking
of
layers
of
history
on
our
maps
and
there's,
just
because
I
thought
that
was
so
cool.
I
A
G
So
speaking
of
sea
dot,
I
don't
know
lauren
are
you
there?
We
can
move
on
to
our
subject
about
the
scared
house.
D
G
I'm
wondering
if
at
the
study
session,
if
we
present
the
nomination
form
to
council
and
they
approve
it,
then
we
can
turn
right
around
and
say
here's
our
first
submission
our
our
first
designation.
D
But
I
think
going
along
with
that,
though
we
discussed
wanting
to
get
the
title.
16
change
is
approved
as
well,
so
that
if
when
there
are
protections
put
in
place,
if
there
are
protections
put
in
place
for
landmarks
that
that's
kind
of
that's
set
in
stone
before
we
start
nominating
buildings
so
that
it
can
all
kind
of
align
together.
If
that
makes
sense,
because
if
we
nominate
the
scare
house
without
those
protections
in
place,
then
later
those
protections
are
put
in
place,
then
what
happens
you
know
it?
D
Does
the
house
fall
under
those
or
not?
So
I
think
we
would
need
to
work
that
out.
First,
if
that
gibberish
makes
sense.
E
Yeah,
if
I
can
hop
in
here
for
a
second
yeah,
that's
one
of
the
goals
with
the
study
session
of
council
is
you
want
to
kind
of
present
your
language
to
to
counsel
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
them?
So
when
the
title
16
rewrite
comes
in
front
of
council
as
a
whole,
they're
not
going
to
get
sidelined
with
historic,
the
historic
preservation
section,
so
we're
basically
have
that
ready
to
go.
E
G
But
I
hear
what
lauren
is
saying
that
until
the
the
forum
is
approved,
we
can't
submit
it
and
we
can't
really
put
forward
the
form
until
our
changes
to
title
16
are
submitted
yep,
although
they
title
16
as
it
is
written
right
now
says
that
we
shall
provide
a
form
so.
E
H
E
H
G
And
I
think
cj
you
did
forewarned
the
people
that
that
are
in
the
scared
house
of
what
we
were
doing.
C
D
G
D
What
they
do
have
is
an
it's
actually
historic
denver,
I
think,
is
what
we
figured
out
at
one
meeting
that
has
an
easement
on
the
property.
So
even
though
they're
not
listed
in
the
national
or
state
register,
there's
there
is
the
easement
on
them.
I
G
And,
of
course,
we
have
a
couple
of
plaques
that
that
you
already
made
for
us
and
that
council
approved,
but
going
forward.
Of
course,
we
also
had
discussed
seeing
if
the
high
school
shop
class
would
like
it
as
a
project
for,
and
they
have
a
they
have.
The
machinery
all
we
have
to
do
is
give
them
the
the
template
right,
but.
I
As
a
short-term
solution,
I'm
willing
to
make
a
few
of
them.
I
think
I
committed
to
you,
know
six
or
so
maybe
upwards
of
10.
they're
very
time
consuming
to
make.
E
Well,
I
do
want
to
hop
in
as
well-
and
I
know
since
you
had
made
that
plaque-
we
kind
of
talked
about
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
don't
think
we've
followed
up
since
then.
But
since
we
got
a
new
communications
manager,
there
was
the
idea
of
creating
a
plaque
that
would
also
serve
as
sort
of
a
branding
for
the
city
as
well.
E
So
that
was,
I
believe,
someone
was
going
to
speak
with
chris
hargith
about
the
the
design
of
the
plaque
and
maybe
what
other
yeah
sean
hop
in.
E
Oh
okay,
perfect!
No!
No!
So
that
was
like
to
create
a
plaque
that
also
incorporated
the
new
branding
ideas
that
that
the
communications
department
was
was
discussing.
J
Great
well,
if
I
can
try
to
answer
the
money
question
last
night.
It's
excuse
me
monday,
night,
at
city.
What
is
today
wednesday?
Yes,
monday
night
in
city
council
council
authorized
a
budget
supplemental
that
contains
well
over
a
hundred
thousand
for
historic
preservation.
J
It's
actually
350
000,
but
there
are
some
projects
that
are
in
the
works
that
may
take
up
some
of
that
money,
but
there's
plenty
of
money
for
if
the
hpc
wants
to
create
commemorative
historic,
interpretive
plaques
that
are
put
around
town,
I've
already
talked
to
the
preservation
society
on
a
phase
two
of
the
historic
brochures.
J
We
can
do
a
lot
and
we've
got
the
money
now
in
the
budget,
specifically
for
historic
preservation,
so
feel
free
to
think
big.
I
Oh
good
good
yeah,
the
plaque
that
the
prototype
plaque
and
john
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
seen
that
yet,
but
you
may
have
seen
that
well,
I
can't
remember
when
we
presented
that,
but
the
you
saw
the
bronze
plaque,
okay,
cool
yeah.
I
mean
that
was
that
was
created
as
a
prototype.
If
we
have
money
to
have
that,
you
know
manufactured
that's
good.
I
still
like
the
idea
of
involving
my
high
school.
I
I
think
that'd
be
a
cool
program,
for
I
mean
they
have
some
pretty
impressive
machinery
at
the
high
school,
so
that'd
be
kind
of
a
neat
program
to
engage
education.
I
guess
but
opened
all
sorts
of
options
there.
We
can,
and
we
can
probably
talk
about
it
later
too.
We
don't
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this.
C
I
So
if
we
wanted
to,
I
I
don't
know,
should
somebody
should
I
reach
out
to
chris
hargrove.
G
I
G
We
also
sweated
a
lot
over
the
design
of
the
the
plaque
and
it's
basically,
our
the
the
hpc's
logo,
with
the
word
zinglewood
landmark
it's
fairly
and
our
logo
is
the
historic
city
hall
building.
We
are
alexander
aircraft.
If
you
want.
A
G
I
G
Behind
matt
there,
yes,
and
so
I
mean
like
what's
to
object
to
that,
I
suppose
they
can
always
object
to
anything.
That's
historic!
You
know.
A
I
I
mean
sub
for
discussion
so
I'll
reach
out
to
chris
and
we'll
we'll
see
what
his,
what
his
opinion
is.
He
may
not
have
seen
the
plaque
so.
G
E
J
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
we
can
absolutely
work
with
the
hvc's
design.
I
think
what
has
been
referenced
in
some
council
meeting
is
the
wayfinding
and
place
making
master
plan
that
was
approved
about
two
months
ago
three
months
ago,
and
so
that
plan
actually
really
gives
the
city
a
comprehensive
set
of
signage,
that
you
know,
if
you're
a
visitor,
you
can
start
recognizing
fonts
and
the
logo
and
colors,
and
that
sort
of
thing
it's
really
in
marketing.
J
The
way
that
you
need
to
market
a
community
similar
to
how
a
hospital
makes
all
of
their
signs.
You
know,
look
the
same
universities,
do
it,
and
now
increasingly
entire
cities
do
it.
So
there
was
some
discussion
about
you
know.
Could
we
try
to
incorporate
your
design
into
the
city's
weight,
funding
and
placement
and
master
plan
so
that
we're
really
tying
everything
together
and
having
more
bang
for
our
buck
when
it
comes
to
promoting
and
marketing
the
community.
A
G
Well
and
that's
a
also
a
project
for
the
historic
preservation
society,
I
think
we
talked
about
interpretive
signs.
For
instance,
one
outside
the
king
supers
to
explain
what
what
was
on
that
site
before.
I
A
G
G
A
G
Right,
so
our
new
business
is
what
all
is
going
to
be
in
our
presentation
to
city
council
which
might
have
to
move
that
item
to
our
special
meeting
on
the
third.
G
G
And
the
landmark
landmark
forum.
A
E
I
believe
right
now,
it's
set
at
about
15
minutes,
followed
by
another
40
45
for
discussion,
but
that's
another
thing
that
I
thought
we
were
going
to
kind
of
go
through
either
tonight
or
during.
Our
special
meeting
is
how
much
time
for
a
presentation,
you
think,
would
be
adequate.
G
G
K
We
receive
it
on
thursday
the
week
before
the
monday
study
session.
I
And
and
dave
this
might
be
a
question
whatever
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
information
to
digest
in
15
minutes,
but.
K
K
So
you
know
I'd,
keep
it
in
mind
as
an
hour
and
then
how
much
do
you
want
to
dedicate
to
presentation
and
then
how
much
for
discussion?
But
you
know
council's
pretty
good
about
reading
those
packets
in
advance.
You
know
sometimes
we'll
get
things
that
are
hundreds
of
pages
and
it'd
be
naive
to
think
people
are
reading
all
of
those,
but
you
know
I
they're
good
at
at
least
reading.
K
C
I
Exactly
and
and
maybe
for
our
special
meeting
that
we
have,
we,
we
can
kind
of
not
only
have
that'd,
be
a
long
night
of
the
discussion
with,
I
guess
the
attorney,
and
then
I
mean
how
do
we
want
to
prep
for
this
with
council?
Do
we
want
to
have
a
I
mean?
I,
like
the
bullet
point
idea
a
lot
that
cj
brought
up.
That's
that's
perfect,
but
there
has
to
be
the
work
done
to
summarize
that
in
the
bullet
points.
B
B
E
I
know
this
is
his
busy
time
of
the
year,
so
I
know
his
availability
has
been
iffy.
I
know
he's
going
to
make
it
tonight.
I
know
he's
he's
hoping
he
can
make
the
17th,
so
I
definitely
want
to
have
have
a
discussion
with
him
before
we
set
anything
in
stone.
B
Will
you
let
him
know
eric
that
I'm
happy
to
do
it
or
help
or
take
his
direction
to
do
it
if
it
takes
it
off
his
plate,
but
I
just
think
that,
like
he
has,
like
the
his
mind,
wrapped
around
the
information,
so
I
think
he
would
almost
guide
that.
G
Many
of
us
can
put
together
a
powerpoint
as
long
as
we
know
what's
to
be
in
it,
and
for
that
we
need
jason.
G
Well,
let's
hope
jason
can
also
meet
with
us
on
the
third.
G
Okay,
there
will
be
a
an
agenda
and
a.
G
Special
meeting
notice
coming
out
next
week,
probably
for
meeting
on
this
monday,
the
3rd
at
6
30.
A
C
G
We
we
sort
of
pulled
the
the
attendance
already
that
we
all
agreed.
I
I
think
I
think
just
to
make
it
official
so
there's
a
there's,
a
motion,
that's
seconded
on
the
table.
Do
we
have
to
vote
on
this.
A
G
Aye
aye,
all
right
that
is
unanimous,
except
for
jason,
who
isn't
here
to.
G
E
Okay,
I
do
have
a
couple
items
this
evening.
I
did
want
to
let
you
guys
know
that
I
got
word
earlier
this
week
that
we
had
been
approved
to
15
000
grant
award
money
from
the
state
historic
fund
to
do
the
historic
survey
so
working
on
getting
that
finalized
on
our
end,
and
next
steps
will
be
to
reach
out
to
the
firm
that
we're
going
to
be
working
with
and
go
from
there.
E
So
I'll
have
a
better
idea
of
our
next
steps
and
time
frame
at
our
next
meeting
in
may
and
the
other
item
I
had
was
actually
from
jason
and
he
had
asked
me
to
share
with
you
guys.
Let
me
pull
up
the
email,
real,
quick,
that,
since
you
know
that
he
works
with
the
state
historic
society,
that
the
inglewood
international
order
of
odd
fellows
building
is
being
considered
for
national.
The
national
register
listing
at
the
next
state
historic
preservation,
review
board.
G
It's
already
on
the
state
register,
so
they're
thinking
national.
B
I
have
a
question
for
the
commission
that
nobody's
been
able
to
answer.
For
me.
I
heard
when
I
first
moved
to
inglewood
that
the
city
calls
itself
the
bud
of
the
rose
or
something
like
that,
and
I
heard
this
at
like
city
council,
because
I
went
to
city
council
for
the
short-term
rental
stuff
that
was
going
on,
and
somebody
mentioned
it
like.
B
I
Yeah
carnation
capital,
that
was
with
the
the
yeah
we
used
to
have
a
lot
of
carnations
grown
here.
B
G
I
had
something
that
came
up.
I
don't
know
whether
the
rest
of
you
seen
that
the
city's
looking
to
put
together
a
volunteer
advisory
committee
for
rewriting
the
uniform
development
code.
G
And
our
16611
is
part
of
that
in
fact,
and
they're
looking
for
volunteers
to
apply
by
the
end
of
this
week
and
whether
anyone
else
had
heard
that
and
has
anyone
else
applied.
I
I
did
hear
about
that.
I
don't
I
mean
I'd
like
to
be
involved
in
that
I
just
don't.
Have
I've
spread
thin
on
time,
as
is
so
I
don't
know
if
I'd
be
able
to
commit.
You
know
necessary
to
that,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
somebody
from
the
historic
preservation
commission
on
that
to
help
guide
the
the
discussion.
K
If,
of
course,
I
had
some
brief
conversations
with
sean
on
that
over
the
weekend,
and
at
least
as
of
I
think
it
was
saturday
sean
and
I
were
texting,
we
hadn't
had
any
applicants
yet
sean
if,
if
you
are
still
there,
please
correct
me
if
that's
not
the
case.
J
A
We
have
four
applications
so
far.
Oh
good.
G
Well
and
since
the
rest
of
you
have
day
jobs
and
things
that
interfere,
I
mean
it
requires
a
commitment
of
like
every
other
tuesday
for
a
year,
so
but
I'm
willing
to
throw
my
hat
in
the
ring.
G
If,
because,
like
I
agree
with
matt,
we
we
should
be
represented
on
that,
and
I
I
heard
about
it
from
somebody
from
cases
that
I
think
going
to
apply
or
already
has
so.
There
are
some
citizen
groups
that
want
to
be
involved
in
that.
H
A
G
G
D
Yes,
I've
actually
got
two
things.
The
first
is
that
colorado
preservation
inc
at
their
conference
in
february
they
had
a
presenter,
joe
minikaze,
who
presented
dollars
and
sense
of
development
patterns,
and
it's
all
about
land
use,
economics
and
economic
benefits
of
preservation
and
they're.
Actually
it
was
such
a
successful
topic
that
they're
having
a
re-screening
of
it
on
thursday
april
29th
from
11
00
to
11
a.m,
to
noon,
and
I
would
highly
encourage
anyone
who
is
free
then
to
attend,
because
it
was
an
amazing
presentation.
D
He
knows
his
stuff
and
it
just
offers
a
really
good
perspective
on
how
preservation
can
help
out,
like
in
the
larger
community,
he's
a
planner,
so
he's
got
just
sort
of
a
different
perspective
on
everything,
but
still
understands
the
economic
benefits
of
preservation.
So
I
can
send
the
link
to
that
out
to
everyone.
I
think,
if
you
went
to
the
conference,
I
think
it's
free
to
attend.
D
If
you
didn't,
I
think
it's
like
10
or
15,
something
like
that,
but
yeah.
I
really
recommend
that,
and
the
other
thing
is
on
a
personal
note.
I
am
actually
pregnant
yay
and
I'm
due
june
2nd.
So
I
will
be
out
for
june
and
july-
maybe
august
maybe
may
if
she
comes
early,
who
knows,
but
I
will
be
out
of
commission
for
a
little
while.
D
G
Well
in
this,
I
think
I
said
you
know
I
mean
if
we're
still
meeting
remotely,
then
you
can
meet
with.
I
mean
you'll
be
off
work,
but
you
could
certainly
attend
our
meetings
and
bring
the
baby.
H
Option
by
the
way,
are
there
any
specific
plans
as
to
when
we
can
meet
in
person
again
and
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
or
is
there
any
discussion
with
the
city
and
I'll
I'll?
Add
this
too?
I
guess
this
can
be
my
commissioner's
choice.
I
I'm
very
excited
to
see
all
of
you
in
person
for
the
first
time
in
a
year,
but
the
extent
that
we
can
preserve
the
video
option.
It's
really
really
helpful
for
me
and
probably
matt
and
some
others
who
travel
for
work
and
things
like
that.
H
It
really
makes
it
convenient
to
be
able
to
get
to
these
when
I'm
not
in
town.
So
that
would
be
great
if
the
options
still
existed.
Even
when
we
go
back
to.
F
K
I
I
can't
speak
to
that
briefly:
cash
and
I'll
invite
sean
or
eric
to
correct
me
as
well
on
the
library
board.
This
came
up
also
and-
and
you
know,
kind
of
the
same
proposition
as
can
we
go
to
or
remain
in
a
video
meeting,
and
the
answer
was
yes
or
or
it's
up
to
that
particular
border
commission.
There
were
some
folks
who
thought
that
you
know.
Maybe
you
do
two
video
one
in
person
just
so
you
don't
totally
lose
contact
and
there
were
some.
K
I
think
you
just
wanted
to
keep
it
video
and,
I
think,
they're
actually
a
handful
of
person
too.
So
I
think
it's
up
to
the
board.
Whatever
conclusion
they
reach,
but
there
wasn't
anything
in.
You
know
the
ordinance
that
required
us
to
meet
in
person
got
it
john
or
eric.
Please
correct
me
on
that.
If
that's
not
the
case,
but
I
I
recall
that
being
the
conversation
we.
I
So
I
missed
was
there
a
date
associated
with
that
that
that
we,
that
that's
going
to
start
being
considered
or.
K
That
is
that
is
up
to
this
group.
You
guys
can
make
that
decision
at
your
leisure.
Now
I
will
say,
for
instance,
council.
I
think
we're
targeting
a
june
return
at
this
point
now
now
we'll
see
how
things
are
going,
then,
with
you
know,
with
with
infection
rates
and
where
everybody's
at,
but
that's
at
least
the
I
think
the
date
we've
kind
of
penciled
in
to
hopefully
return,
but
in
terms
of
boards
and
commissions.
I
think
it's
entirely
your
discretion.
How
you
guys
care
to
proceed.
G
Well,
I
think
until
everybody's
been
vaccinated,
we're
probably
all
just
as
comfortable
remaining
remote.
I
I
I
have
one
thing
to
report
kind
of
along
the
same
lines
with
everybody
getting
back
and
socializing
and
whatnot,
as
most
of
you
probably
know
that
the
english
historic
preservation
society
had
consistently
done
a
historic
lecture
presentation
every
month
for
since
our
existence
and
it
it
was
a
very
long,
long
run
and
unfortunately,
kovit
kind
of
stood
in
the
way.
With
that
we're
tentatively
considering
may
24th
to
restart
this
at
a
new
location.
I
It's
the
filling
station
and
tap
and
let
me
get
the
address.
I
get
it
up
here:
the
filling
station
filling
station
taps
it's
at
3242,
south
tacoma,
it's
a
new
new
business
and
they're
excited
and
we're
we're
kind
of
the
historic
society's
keeping
a
close
eye
on
things
to
see
how
how
the
comfort
level
is
for
people
to
meet
back
up
again,
but
there
will
likely
be
some
sort
of
scheduling.
I
You
know
type
things
like
tickets,
there's
not
free,
obviously
free
but
there'd,
be
some
sort
of
process
of
limiting
the
number
of
people
to
the
presentation
and
almost
like
allowing
slots
for
the
presentation,
I
think,
is
what
we're
kind
of
tentatively
thinking
right
now,
but
as
as
the
month
goes
on,
we're
gonna
send
out
more
information
to
to
focus
on
that.
I
We're
looking
at
recording
it
and
I'm
I'm
actually
going
to
do
the
tesla
talk
again,
so
that
was
that
was
a
fun
one
and
had
a
big
draw
so
big
attention.
So
I
think
we
could
we
can
kind
of
go
out
with
a
bang.
You
know
start
out
with
the
bang
again
on
that.
I
G
Well,
members
of
the
society,
the
I
I
got,
the
both
booklets
from
the
city
and
the
downtown
walking
tour
booklet
is
amazing.
I
mean
it's
almost
like
a
everything
you
need
to
designate
a
historic
district,
the
history
of
all
kinds
of
buildings,
including
one
right
around
the
corner
from
me,
it's
a
really
wonderful.
I
Work
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
was
those
doug
and
lindsey
working
closely
with
madeleine
and
chris
hargrave,
so
that
was
so
yeah.
That
was
that
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
work
and
it
turned
out
really
well
it's
a
something
that
we've
been
looking
at
for
a
long
time
and
the
opportunity
presented
itself
to
you
know,
get
the
city
involved
with
it
and
allow
the
funding.
So
it
turned
out
really
well,
I
think
yeah.