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F
Of
course,
you
are
muted,
hey,
sorry,
guys,
I'm
just
joining
in
right
now
I
wasn't
going
to
join
in
because
I
I
just
had
like
a
surgery
last
week,
but
I
saw
some
of
the
emails
and
how
could
I
miss
this
meeting
so
here
I
am
okay,
good
the
cameras
stay
off
or
is
it
do
I
legally
have
to
put
it
on
or
what.
A
I
don't,
I
wonder,
I
noticed
city
council
doesn't
always
they
just
have
an
avatar,
sometimes
or
a
picture.
Okay,.
A
Well-
and
I
know
cash
said
he
probably
couldn't
make
it
still
expecting
cj.
C
C
D
C
B
Give
us
the
time
for
a
call
to
order.
Oh.
H
B
Here,
thank
you.
Cash
parker
is
going
to
be
absent
this
evening.
I
believe
matt
crabtree
here
cj
cullinan.
D
F
B
And
councilman
requesta
I
hadn't
heard
from
him,
but
maybe
he'll
pop
in
but
right
now
he's
absent
for
staff
members,
eric
sampson
present
and
madeline
hinkfuss.
E
E
A
D
A
D
H
G
A
All
right-
and
there
are
no
members
of
the
public
present,
so
we
can
skip
the
public
forum
and
move
ahead
to
our
old
business.
B
D
B
B
To
city
council
yeah,
so
I
think
once
you
make
the
revisions
we
got
pushed
back
on
the
study
session
calendar
until
march,
so
we've
got.
B
G
I'm
sorry
interesting,
let
me
see
if
I
can
adjust
my
level
standby.
G
Better,
okay,
sorry
about
that,
all
right,
so
yeah,
16-16
6-11.
So
it's
interesting
that
so
the
the
city
manager,
I'm
sorry
city
attorney
right
now,
city
attorney
is
an
acting
city
attorney.
Is
that
right
and
there
is
no
assistance
to
the
attorney.
D
B
G
On
the
reason
why
I
ask
is,
it
seems
that
a
lot
of
work
was
done
on
16
611
here
and
specifically
critiquing
of
the
work
that
we've
put
in
it's
it's
interesting
that
that
that
was
done
and
then
now
the
city
attorney
is
is
leaving
it
would
be
interesting
to,
and
maybe
this
is
something
we
don't
know,
but
if
dugan
will
be
stepping
in
if
he's
been
brought
up
to
speed
or
have
any
input
on
this.
B
That
I
don't
know
again,
this
is
all
very,
very
new
and
we
kind
of
don't
know
what
the
next
steps
are
for
us
on
our
end.
So
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
figure
that
out
the
next
couple
weeks
here
and
at
least
keep
things
moving
forward.
Yeah.
C
Yes,
certainly
so
we
had
a
call,
a
video
call.
I'd
have
to
check
the
actual
date.
A
couple
weeks
ago,
myself
and
alex
david
cuesta
was
on
there
briefly,
but
then
he
had
to
leave
for
city
council
stuff
coming
into
his
office.
So
I
would.
I
would
note
that
these
revisions
don't
reflect
any
kind
of
you
know.
He
has
some
questions
about
things
like
districts
and
review
of
landmarks
and
things
like
that
and
it.
C
These
do
not
reflect
any
of
the
kind
of
comments
I
I
made,
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
to
took
any
of
the
input
that
I
had
on
explaining
what
these
actually
mean.
As
far
as
in
the
you
know,
world
of
preservation
and
what
the
commission
does
so
yeah,
I
think
you
know
he
had
despite
explaining
some
of
the
the
things
like,
he
was
really
concerned
about
properties
being
listed
over
owner
objection,
and
you
can
see
he
deleted
pretty
much
all.
C
Concerns
about
things
listing
things
over
owner
objections,
which
you
know
something
we've
kind
of
discussed,
but
I
explained
to
him
some
of
the
nuances
of
that
and
he
didn't
you
know
again
with
a
basically
totally
deleting
c2b.
It
doesn't
really
recognize
what
that
actually
is.
C
You
know
again:
commission
members
preparing
nominations,
other
members
of
the
public,
you
know
that's
with
you
know,
that's
like
what
lauren's
doing
with
the
case
study
of
the
scared
house
where
she's
preparing
it
on
behalf
of
the
the
property
owner
and
going
forward,
and
I
explained
to
him
that
that's
what
it
was
so
I
was
really
surprised
to
see
that
you
know
deleted
pretty
much
wholesale
and
other
things
you
know
kind
of
along
those
lines
of
his
concerns
of
things
being
listed
over
owner
objections
was
that's
why
he
deleted
districts
throughout
you
know
again,
I
kind
of
explained
what
districts
were
that
they're?
C
You
know
recognized
historic
property
type
and
that
you
know
they're.
You
know
a
tool
for
preservation,
but
again
he
went
through
and
you
know
he
eliminated
all
those
throughout,
and
you
know
I
was
kind
of
hoping
again,
obviously
he's
leaving
so
he's
not
here,
but
I
kind
of
wanted
to
go
over
some
stuff
with
him
because
he
talked
about
concerns
with
takings,
but
his
revisions
here
and
comments
don't
really
reflect
taking's
law
in
in
preservation.
You
know
I
can
it's
well
established.
C
C
So
I
guess
I
was
he
returned
these
to
me
and
I
you
know
I
forward
him
to
eric,
and
I
did
note
to
him
when
he
gave
me
the
revisions
that
I
was
substantially
concerned,
because
you
know
I
totally
understand
if
that
the
code
revisions,
you
know
they
may
not
look
exactly
like
exactly
as
we
want,
but
this
really
kind
of
left
us
with
you
know
kind
of
nothing,
including
review.
C
You
know
kind
of
aspects
of
review,
of
the
landmark
nominations
and,
and
things
like
that,
so
I
think
maybe
it's
I
don't
know
the
exact
way
to
move
forward
with
a
you
know,
different
city
attorney
coming
in,
but
perhaps
that's
the
opportunity,
because
I
was
kind
of
hoping
for
somebody
who
would
help
us
get
there.
C
H
C
That's
okay,
you
know
opportunity
to
perhaps
go
over
this
with
someone
else.
Who's
will
be
more
receptive
is
not
necessarily
you
know
a
bad
thing,
so
I'm
certainly
willing
to
do
that.
Do
that
again,.
A
I
would
say:
let
us
move
to
reject
that
version
and
when
there's
another
lawyer
to
talk
to
we'll,
submit
our
original
changes
again
and
explain
it
to
him.
H
Now
the
issue
might
be,
we
might
have
a
study
session
before
a
lawyer
is
in
place.
So
now
the
idea
is,
what
would
we
do?
I
suggest
that
we
pose
the
changes
that
we
posed
with
the
idea
that
you
know
the
lawyer
had
come
back
and
now
the
lawyer
left
and,
and
we
weren't
able
to
discuss
some
of
the
changes
he
suggested.
So
we
wanted
to
start
fresh
with
a
new
lawyer,
blah
blah
blah.
A
G
I
think
I
think
we
could
have
a
pretty
clear
argument
in
doing
something
along
those
lines
by
you
know.
If
we
could,
we
could
quantify
this
with
other
communities
and
what
other
communities
have
passed
and
done
because
much
of
this
language
in
here
it
wasn't
that
he
necessarily
changed
the
language
he
just
struck
some
of
the
language.
G
So
if
we
could,
you
know
say
that
hey
this
is.
This
is
pretty
typical
for
other
communities
and
other
areas,
and
then
specifically,
these
are
the
reasons
why
these
need
to
be
in
here,
or
the
reasons
why
we
decided
to
put
them
in
here
that.
G
A
We
could
write
a
white
paper
as
it
were,
explaining
the
thing
as
sort
of
introduction
to
whatever
attorney
ends
up
taking
a
look
at
it.
A
I
think
I
would
also
want
to
put
into
the
record
that
what
215
in
the
city
ordinances
is
what
established
our
commission
and
2
15
5
a
well
215
5
is
the
powers
and
duties
of
the
commission,
and
it
says
all
right,
promote
and
encourage
voluntary
participation
in
designating
preserving,
protecting,
enhancing
and
perpetuating
those
structure,
sites
and
districts
which
reflect
on
and
so
forth,
and
further
promote
and
encourage
the
use
of
outstanding
historical
or
architectural
structural
sites
and
districts
for
the
education
and
welfare
of
the
people.
A
The
city
so
they'd
have
to
change
the
different
ordinances
as
well.
If
they
really
want
to
rip
districts
out
of
out
of
the
16.
B
Away
seriously,
honestly,
I'm
not
sure
so
I
think,
since
the
study
session
got
pushed
back
to,
may
we've
got
some
time
to
figure
this
out.
Considering
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
potential
well,
there
will
be
some
sort
of
change
in
city
of
turn
in
an
attorney
at
some
point,
but
just
moving
forward
with
what
we
have
and
what
options
there
are.
H
I
B
I
think
that
would
be
okay
just
to
present
them
with
the
language
that
you
as
an
hpc
would
like
to
see
and
then,
if
you
frame
it
as
we're
coming
to
you
city
council,
for
your
input
on
our
proposed
language-
and
you
know
what
and
then
begin
this
discussion
there
about
what
changes
they
would
like
to
see
and
how
restrictive
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
the
language,
because,
ultimately,
the
ultimate
goal
of
the
the
study
sessions
are
going
to
be
to
get
kind
of
counsel
on
board,
with
the
hpc
language
for
the
title,
16
rewrite,
which
is
heading
down
the
pipeline
a
little
bit
later
this
year.
B
G
G
G
You
know
state
unilaterally.
He
made
a
decision
and
then
was
unavailable
to
substantiate
his
decision
so
that
that.
G
I'd
also
mentioned
too
is
another
interesting
point
to
what
melinda
mentioned
with
districts
is
there,
while
the
purpose
of
the
historic
overlay,
which
I
believe
is
what
it's
actually
called
eric?
You
can
correct
me
on
this,
but
there
is
a
historic
overlay
on
grant
street
and
while
that
was
not
done
under
the
auspices
of
historic
preservation,
that
was
done
under
the
hospice
of
preventing
certain
types
of
construction
in
that
area,.
D
G
G
So
if
you
use
that
as
an
example
as
a
district,
and
it
really
hasn't
caused
a
whole
lot
of
problems
in
that
area,
as
far
as
I
understand,
and
most
people
in
that
area
are
probably
still
supportive
of
it.
After
all
these
years,
I
don't
know-
maybe
I'm
contextualizing
that,
but
you
get
my
you
get
my
point
there
eric
right.
C
I
just
want
to
concur
with
that
matt.
I
think
that's
an
excellent
idea
and
an
an
excellent
example,
because
that's
kind
of
already
a
demonstration
on
the
books
of
the
city
regulating
private
property
for
the
benefit
of
the
community
overall,
and
that
ties
into
again
the
presidents
with
takings
and
stuff
like
that
that
are
well
established
all
the
way
up
to
the
supreme
court,
for
you
know
decades.
C
So
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
that's
a
very
good
example
in
inglewood
right
now
to
show
that
you
know,
there's
there's
that
president.
It's
also
like,
I
said,
not
really
been
an
issue
and
stuff.
So
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
you
noted
that,
because
I
think
that's
a
really
good
corollary.
G
I
mean
I'd
be
a
little
cautious
going
down
that
path,
because
the
way
that
it
was
passed
initially
was
very
much
unilateral
from
city
council
but
which
I
guess
probably
cautiously,
do
that,
like
full
disclosure
at
the
time.
I
was
somewhat
against
that
idea,
but
just
the
way
that
the
city
council
would
handle
that,
but
it
is
an
example
of
a
district
per
se
that
could
be
used.
C
Totally
and
also
yeah,
you
have
a
good
point
with
kind
of
in
some
way
kind
of
quantifying
things.
You
know
because
there's
currently
there's
like
140
142,
historic
preservation
commissions
in
the
state
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
who
can't
designate
districts.
C
You
know
there's
some
who
do
things
kind
of
differently.
Like
colorado
springs,
they
don't
do
districts
necessarily,
but
they
do
those
overlays,
they're
kind
of
the
same
thing
and
and
then,
as
far
as
things
like,
I
don't
know
the
numbers
on
how
many
have
mandatory
design
review,
like
our
demolition,
review
and
and
stuff
for
those
landmark
properties,
but
it's
a
very
sizable
percentage
of
them
and
you
know
across
all
kinds
of
communities
from
you
know,
brighton
to
fort
collins
to
a
little
lake
city.
C
You
know:
has
mandatory
design
review
view
up
there
so
yeah?
I
think
those
are
all
tools
we
can.
G
Probably
add
to
that
with
a
little
bit
of
context.
Is
you
know
our
intent
is
not
to
perform
a
government
takings?
Our
intent
is
not
to
dictate
necessarily
or
restrict
heavily,
but
to
protect,
you
know,
character
and
community,
and
especially
with
what's
going
on
in
the
city
right
now.
So
those
are
the
things
that
probably
the
points
that
maybe
we
should
highlight
with.
That
is,
if
anything
that
example
that
city
council
did
back,
you
know
in
the
early.
H
C
C
So
your
recommendation,
eric
is
perhaps
you
know,
is
there
any
kind
of
action
now
you
think,
or
is
it
more
just
do
you
do
you
need
to
feel
that
there's
time
to
hash
out
how
we
can
present
the
this
or
what
materials
go
to
you
know,
council
and
and
stuff?
So
you
know,
I
think
that
both
matt
and
lauren
brought
up
good
points
that
you
know.
This
is
something
that
you
know.
C
You
know
kind
of
hanging
again
so
yeah,
just
kind
of
that's
best
way
forward.
Yeah.
B
And
yeah,
I
think,
if
you
kind
of
frame
it
in
that
context,
as
matt
and
lauren
was
talking
about
regarding
the
districts
and
what's
done
in
other
communities,
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
start
the
conversation
with
with
council
for
the
study
session.
But
hopefully,
by
the
time
we
meet
in
april
I'll,
have
some
more
insight
onto
what
you
want
to
present
and
what
you
want
to
talk
about
regarding
the
language
and
how.
E
A
So
we
are
agreed,
we're
going
to
just
ignore
this
draft
or
or
should
we
vote
to
say
we
we
don't
accept.
B
B
Should
be
some
sort
of
of
kind
of
written
response
as
to
why
some
of
these
changes
are
being
rejected,
and
your
rationale
as
to
why
you
do
you
feel
that
this
hpc
should
have
that
ability.
G
I'll
say
that
if
we
motioned
right
now-
and
I
was
about
ready
to
move
to
this-
but
we
motion
right
now
that
will
create
an
official
kind
of
position
on
the
record
for
the
minutes
that
can
go
forward
with
this.
So
I
I
moved
that
we.
G
How
should
I
say
this?
I
move
that
we
contest
the
results
from
the
city
attorney
on
the
landmark
protection
language
for
16-6.
H
Is
there
a
second
is
there
for
discussion,
though?
Is
there
a
way
to
stick
that
has
just
returned
to
the
legal
department
for
review
and
discussion
with
jason
o'brien.
C
I
can
do
that
and
then
you
know
same
thing
it's
as
far
as
you
know,
kind
of
preparing
some
language
too,
for
you
know
where,
where
kind
of
our
issues
are,
you
know
I
can
do
that
kind
of
stuff
and.
H
H
Really,
how
did
I
say
that
to
return
what
how
did
I
say
it
return
return
the
they
submitted.
G
I
so
move
that
we
return
the
draft.
H
G
How
about
this,
how
about
how
about
I,
rescind
my
motion,
I'll,
let
you
I'll
let
you
move
cj,
I'm
trying
to
embrace
what
you're
saying.
H
With
jason,
o'brien
interaction,
what
what
what's.
B
A
A
I
was
all
ready
to
ex
illustrate
the
meaning
of
donny
brook
but
didn't
need
to
okay,
the
historic
you've
all
seen
some
emails
with
sean
lewis
and
with
madeline
on
the
the
neighborhood
maps,
and
I
noticed
that
the
englewood
citizen
just
had
a
a
thing
right
at
the
beginning
about
historic
neighborhood
names.
A
And
although
I
did
go
and
look
at
the
map-
and
I
guess
it's
a
starter-
but
it
doesn't
quite
match
what
we
had.
A
I
think,
however,
I
I
see
there
is
a
concern
that
the
some
of
the
neighborhoods
are
too
big
to
be
properly
organized,
and
certainly
that's,
I
think,
have
I
frozen
that
no
is
everyone
else
frozen,
no
we're
not
frozen.
Okay,
and
certainly
we
can-
I
mean
just
from
our
historic
research.
We
can
break
a
lot
of
them
up.
A
G
And
if
I
could,
if
I
could
jump
in
here,
a
little
bit
too
linda
if
that's
okay,
I
had
I
had
a
really
brief
conversation
with
sean
on
this,
as
I
think
you
did
too
right
melinda,
you
had
a
conversation
with
sean
also.
G
Melinda
melinda
did
you
have?
Did
you
end
up
having
a
conversation
with
sean
on
this.
A
Just
an
email
conversation
and
then
I
recently
got
another
reply
from
him
that
I
he
did
understand.
Why
why
we
thought
historic
maps
and
neighborhood
maps
were
two
different
projects.
A
G
Think
he's
disappointed
about
that
sure,
and
I
think,
if
I
can
paraphrase
kind
of
what
what
I
understand
the
request
to
be
from
the
city
manager
on
this
and
obviously
up
for
discussion
and
what
what
was
what
was
raised
was
a
thought
of
dividing
metal
and
you
can
jump
in
here
too,
because
I
think
you
probably
had
some
direction
on
this
too
from
sean
but
more
or
less
directing
this
to
be
in
a
smaller
group,
smaller
areas,
300
to
400
households
and
per
subdivision
or
area,
and
then
secondary
to
that
going
more
back
too,
which
I
I
think
in
many
ways,
is
good,
going
more
back
to
a
historic
naming
of
what
each
area
should
be.
G
Of
course
you
know
colleen-
and
I
have
conversation
on
this
briefly
and
I
think
there's
there's
certainly
a
concern
and
a
problem
that
some
of
the
historic
neighborhoods
may
not
fit
within
the
300
and
400.
So
we
need
to
figure
out
how
that
would
work
but
yeah.
I
think,
as
an
overall
summary
of
this
300.
B
G
400
households
is
what
sean
has
been
requesting
for
an
area
per
subdivision
and
then,
second
to
that
less
park
names
more
historic,
neighborhood
names.
Madeleine
is
that
is
that
a
good
paraphrasing
of
this.
E
And
that's
a
great
paraphrasing
after
we
sat
down
and
looked
at
the
map,
and
I
got
some
feedback
from
neighborhood
group
leaders.
They
definitely
liked
the
idea
of
having
neighborhoods
with
homes
around
like
300
to
400
homes.
Some
of
the
neighborhoods
on
the
map
are
around
900
homes
and
that's
my
fault.
E
I
didn't
even
look
into
that
we're
learning
as
we
go
and
then
melinda
said
that
these
are
kind
of
two
separate
projects,
so
we
want
to
break
them
up
even
further
using
the
history
and
then
continue
and
get
more
feedback
from
the
residents
for
the
permanent
neighborhood
map
for.
H
D
G
We're
actually
real
fast
here,
madeleine
the
the
map
that's
sent
out
here
in
north
england,
south
inglewood,
it
seems
to
be
broken
up
into
smaller
fragments.
Now,
how
was
that
done?
What
was
the
yes.
E
So
I
reached
out
to
gis
and
just
asked
about
that
map,
because
I
wanted
to
see
the
way
that
you
could
break
them
out,
because
if
you
click
on
all
of
the
subdivisions
they
the
names
come
up,
but
the
gis
program
that
we
had
the
colors
only
we
only
had
200
shades
of
colors,
and
so
there
was
about
300
plus
subdivisions.
E
E
Honestly,
I'm
not
sure
about
it,
it
looks
like
mansfield
is
the
dividing
line.
Is
it
man's
film?
I
probably
divided
it
as
evenly
as
possible.
G
Sure
now
one
more
question
on
this
to
madeline.
G
E
So
the
angle,
with
gis
maps
that
the
north
and
south
ones,
so
according
to
gis,
those
are
accurate
records
of
the
city.
I
do
not
know
specifically
where
they
have
come
from.
I
can
ask
them
that,
but
I
specifically
asked
if
those
were
historic
and
they
said
yes,
they
are
accurate,
so
I
can
clarify
that.
F
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
took
such
care
in
doing
was
annotating
the
the
history
from
the
historical
maps.
The
map
that
we've
worked
on
that
cj
and
I
have
worked
on
is
now
like
the
research.
We
did
just
belongs
to
that
map
and
is
somewhat
irrelevant
now,
because
that
map
is
irrelevant.
F
So
I
have
like
my
own,
like
I
guess,
I'm
a
little
baffled
at
why
the
city
wants
to
break
inglewood
up
into
300
home
chunks,
sort
of
arbitrarily
kind
of
drawing
these
neighborhoods
like
what
is
the
actual
mission
to
do
this,
and
why-
and
I
also
want
to
add
that
I've
heard
now
from
a
couple
long
time-
residents-
one
of
them
got
their
hands
on
this
new
map
and
sent
it
out
to
some
other
long-term
residents
and
the
feedback
is
not
good.
People
are
looking
at
them.
F
I
don't
know
what
map
they
were
looking
at.
I
was
just
told
this,
but
they're
looking
at
the
map
and
they're
like
this
is
not
inglewood
like
these
are
not
the
neighborhoods.
These
are
not
the
names,
I
don't
recognize
it
and
so
they're
not
particularly
happy.
F
E
Yes,
of
course,
we
are
going
to
bring
this
to
a
city-wide
community
engagement
effort
and
after
talking
to
melinda
and
sean
through
email
and
last
meeting,
we
discussed
how
we
thought.
The
map
that
hpc
had
put
together
is
just
a
really
awesome,
springboard
and
a
great
starting
point
for
bringing
the
neighborhood
idea
of
drawing
some
lines
and
boundaries
to
the
community,
and
then
we're
going
to
welcome.
E
We
want
to
hear
their
feedback
and
where
they
think
their
boundaries
are,
and
we
will
definitely
the
plan
is
to
preserve
the
history
and
tell
them
how
we
got
here.
You
know
and
show
them
where
all
of
the
subdivisions
are
on
the
map
and
things
like,
so
how.
E
Have
a
specific
plan
lined
or
outlined,
but
I
will
say
that
through
emails
with
sean
and
melinda,
melinda
also
outlined
how
these
are
two
separate
projects:
how
there's
the
history
project
and
how
there's
the
neighborhood
project.
So
the
neighborhood
project
is
moving
forward
with
community
engagement
effort
and
we
are
asking
hpc
if
you
would
like
to
be
involved
in
breaking
down
the
neighborhoods
even
further
to
get
them
around
300
400
homes.
So
we
can
still
honor
the
history
and
the
historic
subdivisions
moving
forward.
F
Okay
from
my
understanding,
the
two
separate
projects
is
that
the
hpc
project
is
a
neighborhoods
project
and
the
cities
project
is
like
a
community
groups,
people
based
project.
So
I
know
we
went
over
this
again
and
again
and
again
last
meeting
and,
to
be
honest,
like
you
did
like
not
in
agreement
but
then
like
when
you
would
say
it,
you
would
revert
back
to
the
old
to
the
other
language.
F
So
I'm
curious
melinda
when
you
say
it's
two
separate
projects.
F
My
understanding
is
our
project
is
a
geographical
neighborhoods
project,
not
just
history,
because
not
all
of
the
neighborhoods
have
the
same
historical
significance
as
others,
but
it's
geographical
and
then
the
cities
project
is
more
like
community
organizing,
that's
my
understanding
of
the
distinction,
but
when
I
hear
madeline
describe
it,
her
project
is
geographical
and
ours
is
just
history
and
it's
really
not
about
neighborhoods
at
all.
It's
just
a
history
project.
A
F
So
shereen,
if
so,
if
madeline
decides
to
rename
broadway
heights,
break
it
up
and
name
it
all
kinds
of
stuff,
and
now
it's
all
this
different
stuff
that
it's
never
been
before.
How
does
that
actually
preserve
history?
F
Because
broadway
heights
is
very
large.
It's
more
than
300
homes.
Broadway
heights
is
going
to
get
broken
up
into
a
dozen
different
neighborhoods.
The
residents
of
broadway
heights,
who
once
lived
in
broadway
heights,
will
now
live
in
some
other
neighborhood.
We
don't
know
yet
it
hasn't
been
decided,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
I'm
just
curious
as
to
like.
F
When
I've
asked
you
about
your
methods
for
preserving
the
history,
you
haven't
thought
that
through
there's
a
lot.
In
fact,
a
lot
of
questions
asked
madeline
seems
like
you
haven't
thought
through,
and
I'm
wondering
too.
I
did
ask
what
the
objective
the
ultimate
objective
here,
if
the
ultimate
objective
is
to
create
community
a
sense
of
community
among
the
people,
why
isn't
that
the
city's
focus
for
this
project?
Why
isn't
it
not
a
community
organizing
focus
with
neighborhood
networks?
G
E
It's
definitely
flexible
where
there
are
like
apartment
buildings.
When
I
draw
that
out,
that's
going
to
count,
you
know
as
a
hundred
residences,
and
so
we
have
to
figure
out
where
the
apartment
buildings
are
where
the
nursing
homes
are.
We
can
definitely
make
that
larger.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
perfect.
It's
more.
When
I've
talked
to
neighborhood
group
leaders,
they
you
know
want
to
be
able
to
walk
in
their
neighborhood
and
it
just
they.
They
want
it
to
be
just
a
manageable
size
for
them.
So
it's
it's
definitely
flexible.
Can.
E
I
am
just
taking
the
feedback
from
the
neighborhood
group
leaders
that
I
am
in
conversation
with,
and
I'm
just
trying
to.
We
are
definitely
organizing
community
and
the
next
step
and
something
that
we're
going
to
see
or
that
we
want
to
see
is
also
drawing
the
boundaries
of
the
lines
for
the
neighborhoods
as
we
move
forward.
That's
part
of
the
plan.
F
Okay,
I
have
one
more
question
and
then
I'll
I'll
stop
on
it.
Lauren
your
specialty
is
historic
preservation
and
I'm
just
curious
about
your
opinion
about
coming
into
a
city
like
inglewood
that
has
such
a
rich
history
and
arbitrarily
deciding
that
now
the
neighborhoods
need
to
be
roughly
300.
F
There's
flexibility,
you
could
have
350,
but
they
have
to
be
chopped
up
that
no
offense
madeline,
but
you
don't
live
in
inglewood
and
you're,
pretty
new
that
madeleine's
going
to
be
overseeing
this
and
I'm
wondering
from
a
historical
preservation
perspective
if
it
makes
sense
to
preserve
the
history
of
a
city
by
approaching
a
community
project.
This
way,
in
your
opinion,.
I
I
can't
speak
from
experience
because
I've
never
really
had
an
issue
like
this
come
up.
I
mean
I'll
say
that
when
we,
when
you
draw
the
boundary
of
a
historic
district,
it's
not
necessarily
along
neighborhood
lines.
It
can
be
based
on
anything
a
lot
of
times,
it's
based
on
the
architecture
or
the
development
of
a
neighborhood
versus
like
specific
neighborhood
boundaries.
I
So
there's
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
that,
like
correlation
between
the
two
for
a
historic
district
to
be
the
boundary
of
a
historic
neighborhood,
but
at
the
same
time
like
I
think,
if
we're,
we
need
to
be
clear
about
where,
if,
if
this
is
our
goal,
we
need
to
be
clear
that
these
are
the
boundaries
of
historic
neighborhoods
and
that
that
might
be
different
than
the
current.
You
know,
neighborhood
associations
or
whatever
that
are
coming
out
of
madeleine's
project.
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
clear
on
the
distinction
between
the
two.
F
Okay,
so
then
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
that
madeleine's
project
is
a
neighborhood
association's
project,
but
madeline's
pretty
insistent
that
her
project
is
a
neighborhoods
project
like
a
boundary
geographical
neighborhood
project.
So
I'm
not
sure
where
this
will
go
next,
but
I
think
I've
voiced
my
concerns
enough.
So
thank
you
all
for
listening.
G
So
fast
here,
I'll
jump
into
the
point
of
order,
looks
like
the
largest
subdivision.
Historic
subdivision
in
our
community
is
broadway
south
broadway
heights,
south
broadway.
It
goes
from
mansfield
to
union
from
broadway
to
clarkson,
by
an
estimate
of
approximately
24
households
per
block.
That
area
includes
1500
and
change
homes.
G
E
I
will
say
I
we
want
your
help.
You
know
that's
why
sean
has
been
going
back
and
forth
with
melinda,
and
I
know
that
matt
and
him
had
a
conversation.
E
We
want
to
preserve
the
history,
we're
trying
to
make
a
modern
day
map
and
we're
also
trying
to
preserve
the
history
all
at
the
same
time,
and
I
think
I
know
that
we
can
be
in
the
middle
somewhere
on
that
and
that's
we
want
to
work
together
in
order
to
make
this
happen,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
specifically
300
neighborhoods
and
that
might
not
you
know
like
preserve
history
perfectly,
but
I
I
do
think
that
there
is
some
way
that
we
can
work
together
to
get
this
done
and
a
really
great
way
and
move
forward
with
the
englewood
neighborhood
project.
G
I'm
sure
there
is,
and-
and
and
I
mean
this
was
some-
this
is
something
that
was
originally
our
very
first
meeting
even
before
sean,
actually,
the
city
manager.
Here
this
was
brought
up
and
it
was
very
reassuring
to
know
that
sean
was
kind
of
had
the
same
idea
when
he
came
on
board
to
do
this,
because
I
think
this
is
really
important
for
any
community
and
it's
very
much
missing
from
our
community.
G
I
would
be
concerned
about
having
two
different
names
for
an
area,
but
I
think
I
think
we
can
potentially
maybe
work
through
that,
but
I
don't
want
this
to
get
confusing.
Another
thing:
that's
interesting
about
inglewood.
That
might
be
a
little
bit
different
from
other
communities
when
it
comes
to
subdivisions
like
this
is
the
way
that
inglewood
grew
was
more
or
less
organic
from
its
conception.
G
Things
occurred
on
on
their
own.
These
subdivisions
were
not
arbitrary.
Names
were
picked
at
later
points
in
time
in
history,
but
those
who
are
these
are
actually
picked
as
the
areas
were
developed
and
in
some
areas
of
colleen's
point
some
areas.
People
are
very
strong
about
how
how
their
neighborhoods
are
called
or
what
what
the
subdivision
is.
G
Some
real
estate
agents
in
england
refer
to
it
as
certain
areas
if
you're
in
the
trailing
area
or
if
you're
in
the
broadway
heights
area,
those
are
obviously
cj's
area,
very
much
associated
with
rappo
acres
and
that
certain
things
you
know,
I
think,
have
to
stay
the
same.
So
this
is
going
to
be
an
interesting
endeavor
to
move
forward
on,
but
I
would
hope
that
you
know
and
madeline
I'll
tell
you.
You
know
my
initial
idea.
G
E
A
Lincoln
and
cornell,
I'm
still
in
the
same
district.
I
would
be
at
least
that's
why
that's
not
a
night
title.
You
know
australia's
about
wheat
heights,
but
I
I
think
we
can
help
with
this,
because
we've
done
a
lot
of
the
research
with
the
sanborn
maps
and
so
forth.
A
A
H
That's
the
thing
that's
hard
too,
is
that
has
the
has
the
cities
started
booming
in
the
50s?
I
mean
booming.
H
H
I
think
apartments
yeah
next
to
the
apartments
are
these
12
houses,
and
so,
like
you
know,
it's
you
know,
is
that
considered
a
neighborhood?
Well,
they
consider
themselves
a
neighborhood,
because
there
are
these
12
houses
that
talk
to
each
other
and
probably
are
concerned
of
traffic
and
conserve
certain.
You
know
what
I
mean
certain
things
are
specific
to
them,
but
we
can't
always
point
to
a
space
like
that.
Like
centennial,
it
was
so
cool
I
drove
by
there,
and
I
was
like
oh
now.
C
I
was
just
going
to
have
kind
of
a
point
of
order
as
we're
kind
of
using
language
you
know
to
you
know:
people
have
been
kind
of
using
districts
as
words
for
these
neighborhoods
and
I
think
we
want
to
avoid
that
because
that's
a
specific
property,
historic
property
type
as
we're
talking
about
like
with
the
code
revision.
So
neighborhood
is
not.
You
know
you
could
have
a
neighborhood,
that's
a
district
like
arapahoe
acres
or
something
but
they're
in
historic
preservation.
They're,
not
corollary.
C
F
Appreciate
that
jason,
because
that's
actually
one
of
the
issues
too,
when
we,
when
we
put
the
map
together
in
order
to
delineate
the
historic
districts,
we
also
had
to
encapsulate
non-historic
areas
too,
so
I've
kind
of
shied
away
from
the
distinction
between
the
two
projects
being
that
ours
is
strictly
historical.
F
F
F
But
I
also
want
to
just
say
I
love
that
madeline
is
excited
about
hanging
street
signs,
but
if
the
neighborhoods
are
subject
to
change
and
there's
this
flux
factor
in
your
project,
I
want
to
just
point
out
again
these.
This
is
not
helene's
rules.
This
is
the
rules
of
logic
because
it
costs
money
to
hang
signs.
So
if
your
project
has
this
fluidity,
there
can't
be
signs.
F
So
I
love
that
you
love
that
idea,
but
you
have
to
at
some
point
recognize
that
the
own
the
contradictions
within
your
own
objectives-
it's
it
concerns
me
when
I
ask
you
about
like
how
you
plan
to
proceed
with
things
are
like,
and
it
seems
contradictory,
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
with
logic
going
on
in
how
you're
approaching
the
city
side
of
the
project
in
general.
So
I
just
also
want
to
throw
that
out.
There.
G
Well,
I
I
you
know
I
I
would.
I
would
kind
of
say
that
I
would
hope
that
the
street
science
would
be
a
goal
at
some
point
to
have
this
and
have
have
defined
areas.
A
And
and
actually
we
could
use
the
word
area,
you
know
for
a
district
that
isn't
designated.
G
If
we
have,
if
we
have
ebb
and
flow
of
names
and
areas,
I
think
that
that
kind
of
removes
the
possibility
of
a
defined
region-
and
those
are
the
notes-
I
I
don't
know
you
know
I
I
I
kind
of
think
back
to
you
know
I
moved
to
englewood
in
2004
and
block
parties
were
a
really
big
deal
in
the
city
at
that
point
in
time.
G
In
fact,
historically
historic
preservation,
commission
history
here
at
one
point
inglewood
had
the
most
blocked
parties
on
national
night
out
than
any
other
city
in
the
state
of
colorado.
G
Back
to
the
point
that
the
governor
even
landed
his
helicopter
at
wood,
high
school
and
congratulated
the
city
for
that
and
there's
a
there's,
a
neighborhood
aspect
that
has
honestly
probably
for
many
reasons,
both
from
the
development
perspective
of
what's
happening
in
the
city
right
now
and
then,
potentially,
you
know
a
differing
opinion
of
how
neighborhood
works
in
our
city
that
that
has
somehow
evaporated
over
over
the
last
almost
20
years.
Cj
muted.
H
G
So
I
think
you
know
I
I
I
respect
what's
attempting
to
be
accomplished
here
by
regaining
that,
so
I
don't
know
how
that
necessarily
translates,
but
I
think
there's
an
importance
here
of
defining
areas
and
in
many
cases
what
people
already
associate
with
their
area
and
then
kind
of
work
separate
on
that
madeline.
What
do
you
think.
E
That
I
think
that
sounds
great,
I'm
just
so
we're
using
sorry
we're
using
area
instead
of
district.
Is
that
correct.
G
I
think
there's
an
important
separation
that
it
needs.
E
Yeah
but
it
would
be
like
broadway
strayers
heights
area
or
neighborhood.
F
F
F
I
mean,
if
he's
the
one
who,
if
he,
if
he's
the
one
doing
it
ultimately,
if
he's
the
one
who's
going
to
be
drawing
the
lines
around
300
houses
here
and
300
houses
there
and
we're
the
historic
preservation.
Commission
and
a
wise
woman
melinda
opened
our
meeting
with
the
mission
of
the
commission,
and
it
applies
to
this
as
well
as
the
previous
topic.
F
If
our
mission
is
to
preserve
history,
I
think
we
really
need
to
be
careful
about
this.
You
know
what
I
think
is
an
odd
project,
a
top-down
kind
of
approach
to
reorganizing
our
city.
If
sean
is
in
doing
it
unilaterally,
I
would
like
for
him
to
join
us
to
at
least
get
our
input
and
hear
our
concerns.
F
Okay,
that
sounds
great
yeah.
That
sounds
really
good.
I
think
we
can't
get
anywhere
without
him
to
be
honest,
because
I'm
still
pushing
for
the
city's
project
to
reframe
itself
as
a
community
project.
That's
my
ultimate
solution
to
the
issue
is
that
we
maintain
the
geography
and
the
city.
G
A
G
Because
we
obviously
have
a
lot
of
passion
here
that
I
think
you
would
and
him
having
the
historic
background
that
he
does
and
the
support
of
history.
I
think
he
would
be
very
much
respect
our
passion
here
on
this.
I
would
say,
though,
that
maybe
we
work
towards
something
to
provide
initially,
and
that
way
we
can
have
something,
because
I
I
I
it's
it's
hard
to
look
at
this
map
right
now.
G
D
E
G
E
G
To
kind
of
show
my
work
on
that
that
was
an
estimate
of
one
block
being:
okay,
24
households
being
12
houses
per
side
of
street.
G
And
I
think
that's
I
mean
sometimes
there's
more
sometimes
there's
less
eric
you're
kind
of
here
you're
in
eric
you're,
in
between
your
developments.
You
may
know
this
answer.
G
Do
is
that
a
pretty
pretty
solid
estimate.
B
B
H
But
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
bring
up
something
I
in
arapaho
acres.
We
have
124
houses.
That
is
more
than
enough
for
me
to
do
a
newsletter
to
do
garage
sale
to
do
food
trucks
whatever,
but
the
gist
is
there's
a
social,
dynamic
and
300
is
almost
to
me
like
a
third
project,
because
I
would
think
that
that
300
is
almost
too
big
for
your
community
groups
madeleine.
It
definitely
doesn't
follow
any
historic
lines
that
we
have,
so
it
almost
comes
across
as
a
third
project.
E
G
G
Well
in
in
well
yeah
I
mean
what
mike
mike
yeah,
I
mean
honestly.
My
concern
on
this
is
we
need
what
we
come
up
with.
This
is
a
very
important
decision
right.
What
we
come
up
with
you
can't
really
change
once
you
release
it
to
the
community.
I
guess
that's
what
my
concern
is
is,
is
you
can't
one
one
year
or
you
know,
for
three
or
four
years,
call
it
one
area
and
then
suddenly
change
something
else
into
something.
You
know
a
is
somewhat.
G
It
has
to
be
well
thought
through.
It
has
to
be
well
aligned,
I
think,
with
both
from
the
community
aspect
and
from
you
know,
the
real
aspect
of
what
what
it
is
now
and
something
to
go
off
of
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
but
backing
into
the
question
that
cj
had
raised
with
the
300-400.
What
was
what
is
the
justification
of
that?
I
guess
from
from
your
from
your
conversations.
E
So
the
neighborhood
resources
program
is
just
over
a
year
old
and
so
some
of
the
neighborhood
group
leaders
that
I
have
been
speaking
to
and
some
of
the
two
of
the
registered
neighbors
are
right
around
300
and
they
feel
like
that
is
the
perfect
amount
of
homes,
and
even
sometimes
it's
could
be
too
large.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
that's.
E
What
how
we
kind
of
figured
that
out
and
looking
at
other
cities
and
neighborhoods
like
that
also
so.
E
Right,
it's
a
community
organization,
grassroots
volunteer
project.
This
is
not,
you
know,
a
paid
position.
These
are
people
who
just
want
to
get
involved
in
their
community.
They
want
to
meet
their
neighbors,
they
want
to
know
their
neighbors.
They
want
to
make
englewood
home,
have
a
sense
of
belonging,
feel
safe.
E
So
I'm
feeling
attacked
so
I'm
going
to
call
point
of
order.
I
guess
on
myself,
please
I
it
isn't
grassroots
organizing!
You
know
we
just
want
to
build
community
at
angle.
What
I'm
not
trying
to
destroy
any
history
through
this.
F
You
do
have
like
this.
You
would
think
matt
that
when
we
do
this
map
or
if
the
map
gets
done
or
whatever
happens
with
the
map
that
it
it
would
be
lasting,
but
don't
forget
that
madeleine's
already
shared
with
us
that
the
map
is
not
fixed,
it's
fluid,
so
it
does
change
year
to
you
can
change
year
to
year
and
we've
even
clarified
that
point
again
in
this
meeting
and
sometimes
it's
hard
to
keep
that
in
mind,
because
it
goes
against
it's
kind
of
counter-intuitive.
A
Now
I
mean
history
does
not
change
and
what
we
will
work
out
is
the
history
of
and
then
other
boundaries
around
the
thing.
But
what
was
the
historically
a
given
area
will
remain
that
historically,
given
area
now,
you
can
see
in
them
right
now.
H
C
Yeah
well,
I
just
want
to
say
I
request
that
we
have
the
next
steps
as
we
invite
sean,
because
we
spent
over
an
hour
on
this
topic
in
the
previous
meeting
and
we're
now
over
40
minutes
on
this
time
and
kind
of
going
over
the
same
grounds.
That's
not
really
moving
anything,
so
I
would
request
that
we
too,
the
next
move
is
we
ask
shawn
to
attend.
B
C
We
table
further
discussion
until
he's
here
is.
G
I'm
sure
he
will
hear
it,
but
this
is
this
will
be
available
as
part
of
the
the
video
and
audio
of
this
will
be
available
to
you.
B
I
would
recommend
to
make
it
official
if
someone
would
take
it
upon
themselves
to
write
an
email
to
reach
out
to
sean
directly
and
invite
him
to
the
next
hpc
meeting.
B
Will
I
will
do
that
and
just
kind
of
if
you
would
basically
give
a
brief,
cliff
note
summary
of
why
you
why
we
want
him
to
attend,
and
why
kind
of
the
topic
the
topic
at
hand
and
what
we
want
to
kind
of
the
issues
that
we
want
to
iron
out.
H
F
G
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
that
is
actually
a
valid
point
throughout
all
this
is
that
you
know
the
possibly
linguist
citizen
or
some
sort
of
I'd,
say
community
meeting,
but
that's
that's
a
little
tricky
now,
but
some
sort
of
open
forum
of
you
know
how
and
what
and
what's
happening
with
this,
because
I
I
I
I
would
definitely.
I
would
definitely
support
that
in
in
concern
that
this
is.
This
is
a
pretty
big
change
for
the
people's
community.
So
having
having
that
open
forum
might
be
a
good
idea
idea,
I
guess
cj.
H
C
And
I
would
like
to
move
along
also
because
we
have
five
more
items
on
the
agenda.
Oh.
A
D
B
Melinda
just
a
side
note
on
that
make
sure
to
cc
me
on
the
email,
as
staff
liaison.
Please.
A
The
next
item
was
the
survey
grant
application.
I
just
wonder
whether
it
has
been
completed
and
submitted.
B
It
has
been
completed,
it
has
been
submitted.
We
got
signatures
from
the
community
development
director,
brad
power
and
sean
lewis
as
well,
and
so
all
that
was
finalized
actually
earlier
this
week.
So
it
has
been
officially
submitted
and
is
now
under
review.
B
A
Hey
yes,
okay
under
the
scared
house-
and
I
know
we
had
I'd,
certainly
reviewed
everything
the
lord
had
put
together
and
other
than
pictures.
I
thought
it
was
ready
to
go.
C
C
My
only
thing
I
would
say
is:
I
think
you
should
give
yourself
some
credit
in
the
prepared
buy
line.
I
would
recommend
that
you
can
have
your
name
and
then,
in
parentheses,
say
on
behalf
of
the
historic
preservation
commission,
because
I
think
that
it
should
be
that
that
document
should
have
your
work
on
it.
D
C
H
I
And
I
no,
I
think,
melinda
or
jason
mentioned
that
last
meeting.
There
was
a
discussion
about
the
photos
for
it
and
I
can
go
out
and
just
take
some
photos
and
I
was.
I
No,
that's!
Okay.
I
don't
know
if
I
asked
you
for
that
specifically,
but
the
other
thing
to
bring
up
that
actually
eric
brought
up
is
that
we
don't
actually
the
form
that
I
used
for
that
has
not
been
approved
by
council.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
this
can
really
move
forward.
At
this
point
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
ready
to
go
once
that
is
approved,
and
once
we
get
all
of
that
language
solidified,
but
I
think
at
this
point.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
actually
list
it
as
a
local
landmark.
B
A
I
think
what
it
has
said
up
to
now,
and
maybe
even
before,
was
that
the
application
would
be
made
on
a
form
provided
by
the
commission.
So
do
we
actually
need
council's
approval
of
that
form?.
B
I
believe
so
I
believe
that
I'm
let
me
try
and
jog
my
memory
here,
real
quick,
so
I
know
that
the
idea
behind
the
landmark
application,
as
we
were
moving
forward
with
that
we
decided
that
we
wanted
to
have
some
landmark
protections
in
place
in
the
code.
B
B
That
was
just
for
kind
of
staff
review
to
try
to
determine
how
long
it
would
take
staff
to
review
the
applications
and
if,
if
basically
the
contents
of
what
we're
asking
for
in
the
application,
submittal
was
appropriate.
H
H
B
I
think
that's
pretty
much
right.
I
mean
we
had
been
thinking
about
going
forward
with
it,
but
then
there
was
the
basically
realization
that
there
weren't
any
teeth
into
having
someone
grant
landmark
status,
and
so
that's
the
point
where
we
decide.
We
need
to
establish
those
unless
the
attorney
review
then.
D
H
Dokie,
no,
I
will
ask
straight
out
lauren.
That
was
a
lot
of
work
that
you
did
on
skerrit.
I
know
I
had
pulled
some
stuff
together
and
obviously
for
the
the
tour
of
the
home,
the
brown
home
up
on
university
and
dartmouth.
I
I
mean,
I
don't
think,
that's
a,
I
think,
that's
a
good
idea.
Yeah
that
way
we
have
them
and
then,
when
all
the
language
is
approved
and
the
forms
are
approved,
we
can
go
back
to
the
property
owners
and
say:
look.
You
know
we
completed
this,
however,
long
ago.
We
would
now
like
to
formally
list
your
building.
I
I
You
know
what's
to
stop
us
from
preparing
forms
for
other
buildings
that
you
know
maybe
are
already
listed
in
the
national
register
or
maybe
ones
that
we
already
have
a
lot
of
history
on
and
an
eye
for,
and
that
are
significant
in
the
community.
I
mean
we
can
continue
with
this
process
and
just
have
those
nomination
forms
ready,
making
sure,
of
course,
that
we're
talking
to
the
current
owners-
and
you
know
letting
them
know
that
this
is
happening,
but
there's
nothing
to
say.
We
can't
continue
to
do
that.
H
Well,
I
know
when
it
came
to
the
brown
house,
they
just
weren't,
applying
staff
to
this.
They
were
fine
to
you
know,
here's
all
our
information,
you
know
just
kind
of
like
what
you
did
where
the
chiropractor
didn't
give
you
information
or
didn't
do
it,
you
did
it
for
them,
and
I
got
to
be
honest
right
now.
I
don't
have
the
time.
B
Then
we
can.
Basically,
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
you
couldn't
hit
the
ground
running
and
have
two
or
three
historical,
landmark
application
reviews
the
following
month
or
two
to
have.
You
know,
take
a
look
at
scared.
Take
a
look
at
key
bank.
Go
through
the
process,
go
to
city
council
and
see
what
that
process
is
going
to
look
like
when
you
get
these
first
two
couple
items
on
it.
B
A
Although
a
point
of
information
anyway
key
bank
and
the
brown
house
and
several
other
buildings
are
already
designated
by
the
as
state
historic
landmarks
and
there
we
have
a
couple
of
national
historic
landmarks
also,
and
so
those
are
assumed
to
be
inglewood
landmarks
without
us
actually
doing
anything.
H
C
So
that
goes
to
what
erica
eric
is
talking
about
like
as
far
as
property
protections,
you
know
the
the
national
and
state
registers
do
not
incur
any
property
protections
or
guidelines
on
you
know
how
they
have
to
maintain
their
properties
or
anything
that
only
comes
from
local
ordinance.
So
that's
kind
of
where
the
the.
D
A
B
A
B
Considering
they're
already
historic
in
nature
at
a
state
level,
so
but
yeah
that
would
just
provide
them
extra
protection
coming
from.
D
B
It
might
be
recreate
I'm
just
kind
of
brainstorming
here,
but
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
keep
your
ears
to
the
pavement
and
know
of
somebody
who's
very,
very
interested
in
getting
their
house
on
the
national
or
on
getting
landmark
status
through
inglewood
and
to
have.
B
Them
I
don't
know
kind
of
keep
them
in
the
loop,
so
they're
kind
of
like
ready
to
go
right.
When
we
get
the
the
language
approved
and
it
passes
the
appeal
period,
then
they
can
go
ahead
and
submit
that
application
and
then
again
we
can.
We
can
start
moving
right
away
so
and
then
we'll
have
something
that
that
is
outside
of
the
state
historic
landmark
and
it
would
be
kind
of
a
unique
first
going
through
this
process.
G
Yeah,
I
think
there'd
be
a
lot
of
attention
right
now
in
the
community,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
feeling
very
affected
by
the
development
that's
occurring,
but
the
amount
of
demolition
with
the
properties
around
them.
So
I
know
on
my
block.
There
are
a
number
of
people
that
have
homes
that
are
older
than
50
years
old.
G
F
I
have
a
question
about
that,
and
this
is
more
from
the
position
of
like
a
community
member
attending
the
meeting
now
and
not
so
much
as
a
commissioner.
So
I
live
in
a
house
that
was
built
in
1927.,
it's
one
of
those
little
cottages
and
what
so
as
a
community
member.
What
would
be
my
incentive
for
wanting
to
to
sign
up
for
that
and
what
would
I
have
to
do
to
qualify
to
sign
up
for
that.
B
So
that's
what
we
were
getting
into:
that's
when
you
would
go
through
the
landmark
application
and
then
would
submit
your
property
for
basically
then
to
my
office
to
review
and
then
hpc.
You
would
review
and
then
make
a
recommendation
to
council
and
then
once
that
is
done.
If
it's
approved
as
a
landmark,
then
you
are
granted
certain
landmark
protections
which
back
going
around.
In
fact
at
the
beginning,
is
the
language
that
we're
kind
of
working
with
the
attorney
to
kind
of
hammer
out
and
also
and
lauren
or
jason.
B
You
might
be
able
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
I
think
there
are
some
potential
tax
credits
that
are
available
for
those
properties
that
are
that
do
have
some
sort
of
landmark
status.
F
That's
what
I
was
getting
at,
that's
why
I
said
I'm
a
community
member,
I'm
asking
from
the
standpoint
of
like
a
attendee
at
this
moment.
So
if
there
would
there
be
other
things
too,
I
know
that
we
had
already
discussed
that
we
would
be
allowed
to
that.
These
properties
designated
as
such
would
be
allowed
to
be
modified.
F
It's
not
that
they
wouldn't
be
allowed
to
be
renovated
because,
like
the
house
I
live
in
is
like
for
hobbits
so
like
there,
there
should
be
some
allowance.
Obviously
so
would
permits
for
things
like
that,
be
you
know,
maybe
even
comped,
or
would
there
be
like
other
kinds
of
benefits
that
could
be
added
to
help
historic
homes
modernize
while
maintaining
their?
What
what
makes
them
historically
significant
and
forgiven
for
not
being
able
I'm
not
as
good
at
this
part,
as
you
guys.
B
I
think
that
I
mean
that
might
have
a
potential,
but
usually
my
experience
with
that
has
been.
People
have
been
that
I
mean
this
is
not
colorado
relevant,
but
there
were
some
sort
of
grant
programs
and
other
locations
that
if
people
wanted
to
take
and
have
they
have
one
they
achieve
landmark
status,
two
they
could
apply
for
a
grant
to
help
rehabilitate
the
house
if
it's
in
a
manner
of
disrepair,
so
there
are
options.
B
I
don't
know
how
many
of
those
options
would
be
done
through
the
city
of
englewood,
but
for
the
property
owner
having
that
landmark
status
could
grant
could
open
several
several
doors
in
that
respect,.
F
C
So
just
kind
of
a
note
that
for
tax
credits,
those
would
not
be
applicable
to
these.
You
have
to
be
a
certified
local
government
in
order
for
locally
laid
marked
things,
and
you
know
if
we
get
the
language
we
want
for
a
design
review
and
demolition
review,
we'll
basically
meet
all
those
standards.
So
it's
something
we
could
look
forward
to,
but
unless
you're
certified
by
the
national
park
service
as
a
certified
local
government,
then
you
don't
qualify
for
that.
C
You
know
national
and
state
registered
properties,
you
know,
can
apply
for
tax
credits
and
the
only
residents
only
for
the
state
state
register.
I
mean
you
know
only
state
preservation,
tax
credits
can
go
for
residences.
So
I
think
there's
we
don't
have
incentives
in
place
at
the
moment.
It's
mostly
honorary,
but
I
know
there's
it
has
been
kind
of
stuff.
I'm
talking
about
the
other
grants.
Are
there
other
tax
relief
locally?
Are
there
variances
on
permits?
C
H
The
idea
that
we
got
tax
credits
here
in
arapaho
acres
or
I
have
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
over
three
years.
Then
it
was
cut
off
and
then
it
came
back
again,
but
the
gist
is
it
doesn't
help
me
modernize
my
house
right,
so
it
helped
me
with
the
windows.
H
It
helped
me
recreate
the
fences
and
the
gates.
It
helped
me
repair
some
masonry,
but
if
I
wanted
to
go
like
where
I
went
in
and
redid
my
bathroom,
no
money
was
going
to
come
to
that.
Even
if
I
returned
it
to
what
I
thought
it
looked
like
back,
then
it's
not
original
stuff.
It's
not
saved
right.
Aren't
I
right
jason
on
this.
It
wasn't
rehabilitated
has
was,
if
that
makes
sense,.
C
Yeah
yeah,
so
there's
the
base
on
the
secretary
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties
and
rehabilitation
is
the
main
one
and
that
does
allow,
for
you
know,
kind
of
adaptive,
reuse
and
changing
buildings,
but
yeah.
What
cj's
kind
of
talking
to
is
things
have
to
meet?
What's
called
qualified
expenditures,
so
yeah,
something
like
putting
in
a
new
tub,
is
not
usually
something
that
meets
those
kind
of
standards
but
yeah,
again
kind
of
preserving
that
historic
fabric
and
stuff
certainly
qualifies
so
and
that's
all
the
stuff.
B
Is
there
any
specific
in
regards
to
clgs
and
being
able
to
be
eligible
for
a
clg?
Is
there
any
specific
language
that
does
would
need
to
be?
Would
need
to
be
included
in
the
code
regarding
the
title
16
stuff,
that
that
would
be
a
requirement
to
basically
achieve
a
clg
status
at
some
point
in
the
future.
C
Yeah
not
like
very
like
specific,
direct
language,
it's
more
about
what
that
language
allows
you
to
do
and
again.
Our
revisions
are
basically
taken
from
the
clg
template
language
but
yeah
the
basics.
I'm
probably
gonna,
miss
some,
but
the
basics.
Are
they
can
locally
landmark
things
that
you
review
permits
to?
C
You
know
design,
alterations
or
demolition
of
historic
properties,
and
then
it's
really
just
kind
of
stuff
like
oh,
you
have
to
maintain
a
program
of
survey
which
you
know
that
you
can
get
funds
for,
and
then
it's
just
basically
like
annual
reporting
to
the
clg
coordinator,
so
yeah
as
long
as
long
as
the
language
and
the
ordinance
lets
you
do
those
things
then
yeah.
It's
it's
not
really
a
matter
of
very
specific.
A
So
that's
why
applying
for
the
grant
to
do
the
survey
was
a
necessary
step
for
us
and.
A
Okay
and
we've
already
kind
of
discussed
what
we're
going
to
present
to
city
council
and
we'll
discuss
it
more
next
meeting
so
far.
I
have
you
know
our
our
reasoning
behind
our
changes
and
also
requesting
approval
of
the
landmark
application.
A
And
was
there
anything
else
that
we
needed
to
say
to
city
council.
A
Yeah,
so
now
we
wanted
to.
We
wanted
to
share
what
our
takeaways
were
from
the
colorado
preservation
conference.
We
never
got
that
far
last
meeting
and
when
I
I'm
not
sure
who
all
made
it
there,
I
saw
lauren
in
one
of
the
presentations
about
deerfield,
which
was
very
interesting.
A
And
yeah
did
you
well
and
I
I
know
I
sent
something
to
helene
and
cj
about
the
I
did.
I
went
to
the
one
on
the
street
cars
and
c
dot
has
a
gis
map
that
has
pretty
much
every
street
car.
That's
a
line,
that's
ever
existed
and
it
includes
the
cherylin
horse,
car
and
another
one
that
I
never
even
knew
inglewood
had,
which
was
the
loretto
heights
railway
another
horse
car.
A
It
only
went
through
a
part
of
what
what
is
now
englewood
and
had
a
spur
that
went
up
to
loreto
heights
college.
Basically,
it
was
for
their
students
and
it
was
owned
by
the
archdiocese
and
it
didn't
operate
very
long,
but
I
thought
it
was
very
interesting
and.
H
About
that
info
melinda,
I
talked
to
the
gal:
that's
out,
that's
working
with
the
company,
that's
redoing
loretta
heights
right
now
and
and
they're
setting
stuff
up
for
their
housing
and
stuff-
and
I
said,
did
you
know
about
this,
this
trolley
service
to
there
and
she's
like
no
whatever
you
got?
Send
it
to
me
and
I
haven't
done
anything
with
it
yet.
A
And
so,
and
and
the
the
cool
thing
I
think,
is
that
since
cdot
is
a
public
agency,
anything
that
they
developed
is
free
for
everybody
to
use.
I
Yeah
I
was
actually
going
to
bring
this
up
during
staff's
choice,
but
there's
a
link
to
the
c
dot
on
the
c
dot
cultural
web
resources
website.
There's
a
link
to
the
story
map
the
gis
story,
map
that
was
created,
as
well
as
the
full
report
that
was
done.
That's
got
more
in-depth
history
on
trolley
lines
across
the
state
and
inglewood
specifically
in
there.
I
C
I
guess
since
you're
gonna
ask
you
know
around
roundabout,
for
whose
people's
takeaway-
I
guess,
one
that
I
thought
was
really
interesting-
was
somebody
joe
minikaze
from
urban
three
planning.
He
was
one
of
the
keynote
speakers,
as
well
as
he
had
a
session
on
redlining
and
their
their
outfit
does
a
lot
of
really
interesting
data
crunching
and
doing
it
in
really
interesting,
visual
ways.
I
think
it's
something
that
well
everybody
here
would
enjoy,
but
you
know,
city
kind
of
planning,
folks
like
eric
and
madeline
would
would
enjoy,
but
it
was.
C
It
was
a
really
kind
of
powerful
way,
showing
it
wasn't
necessarily
preservation
based
in
and
of
itself,
but
a
powerful
way
of
showing
how
these
historic
buildings
and
neighborhoods
contribute
to
city
and
state
tax.
You
know
funds
a
lot
more
than
larger
things,
so
you
know
would
be
like
say
that
I
can't
remember
the
name
but
say
that
little
cigar
store
on
broadway
probably
brings
in
a
higher
tax
rate
than
per
square
foot
than
like
the
walmart,
which
I
thought
that
was
really
interesting.
C
And
then
he
used
that
data
to
kind
of
tie
with
how
you
can
kind
of
see
the
effects
of
redlining,
with
the
economics
of
property
taxes
and
all
kinds
of
stuff,
and
so
he's
not
he's
not
like
a
preservation
of
preservationists
and
of
himself
as
data
goes
a
lot
to
that.
It
was
just
kind
of
a
really
interesting
perspective.
A
I
I
think
if
there's
you
know,
if
there's
individuals
that
might
not
see
some
of
the
benefits
of
preservation,
the
way
we
do
it
with
those
there's,
some
really
good
information.
His
presentations
that
we
could
give
to
individuals
to
just
show
like
preservation,
has
economic
benefits.
It's
more
than
just
you
know,
preserving
character
and
maintaining
things
as
they
are.
It
has
deeper
roots
and
deeper
strengths.
A
One
of
the
things
I
thought
was
really
telling
it
was
just
you
know:
like
accounts,
a
property
tax
per
acre
and
the
retail
tax
per
acre
together.
Those
are
the
productivity
of
that
area
and
and
see
where
your
really
productive
areas
are
and
they're,
like
all
the
little
shops
in
the
downtown
area
and
everything
they're,
not
walmart,
you
know
they're
not
and
plus
the
walmart's.
Only
you
know
those
buildings
are
have
a
shelf
life
of
20
years
versus
the
ones
that
have
been
around
for
100
years.
H
I
Go
ahead,
I
was
gonna
say
one
is
from
cdot
and
it's
the
our
historic
bridges
that
are
across
the
state.
Just
because
you
know
for
a
number
of
reasons.
There's
we
can't
save
and
protect
all
of
them.
So
we
wanted
this
designation
to
try
and
gain
more
public
support
and
more
public
awareness
of
the
importance
of
historic
bridges
and
the
special
and
really
interesting
and
significant
ones.
I
We
have
around
the
state
and
just
working
in
the
hopes
that
we
can
work
with
local
communities
to
recognize
what
bridges
are
in
their
communities
and
the
significance
that
those
might
have
so
and
the
other
well
cj.
If
you
found
the
site,
you
can.
H
No,
I
well
I'm
finding
there's
a
a
railroad
thing,
I'm
not
I'm
not
see
finding
a
list
I.
What
I'm
seeing
is
an
interview
is
what
the
problem
is.
So
what
do
you
call
that.
D
I
The
lafayette
head
homestead,
I
think,
or
house
down
in
the
san
luis
valley-
and
he
was
the
first
territorial
governor-
I
think,
of
colorado-
maybe
not
first,
but
one
of
the
early
ones
and
his
homestead
is
still
there.
It's
like
it's
really
there's
just
remnants
of
it
left,
but
it's
an
adobe
homestead
and
then
the
other
was
the
balcony
house
in
winter
park
at
the
ski
area
there.
H
F
I'm
sorry
are
these
all
inglewood,
no
okay,
okay,
I
was
like
this
was.
H
A
colorado
state
conference,
okay,
got
it,
but
it's
really
cool
as
far
as
like
lyman's
historic
museum
is,
is
more
intense
than
you
would
have
ever
thought.
A
small
town
like
that
would
be
anyway,
but
different
things.
I
I
You
know
we
couldn't
listen
for
another
year,
but
it's
something
we
could
start
thinking
about.
F
Can
we
think
also
about,
like
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
thinking
about
how
to
how
to
phrase
this,
but
there's
really
cool
ways
of
engaging
people
who
might
not
otherwise
be
interested
in
history
or
endangered
spaces,
and
one
thing
that
is
not
as
hard
to
do,
but
kind
of
on
trend
right
now
are
augmented
reality
walking
tours
where
you
have
like
a
map,
you
can
go
from
spot
to
spot
when
you
get
to
a
spot.
F
You
look
at
the
place
through
your
phone
and
historic
images
can
overlay
onto
what
your
camera
sees
and
it
can
you
know
it's.
The
kind
of
thing
that
can
become
a
little
bit
of
a
news
story
can
get
a
little
buzz.
Raise
awareness,
it's
it's
high-tech.
It
really
brings
like
what
we
do
into
the
future.
I
think-
and
so
maybe
we
could
think
of
a
way
to
implement,
like
a
strategy
like
that,
to
draw
attention
to
some
of
these
landmarks
and
endangered
spaces.
A
The
city
of
lakewood
has
something
I
think
that
they're
doing
with
that,
and
meanwhile
the
historic
preservation
society
is
working
on
a
historic
walking
tour.
Are
they
not
met.
G
That's
correct:
we
just
we
actually
just
finished
the
those
right
there
and
that's
the
initial
you
have
both
of
them:
yeah,
okay,
cool
yeah,
so
there's
there's
the,
but
I
think,
there's
actually
a
larger
book
too.
You
should
be.
G
One
there:
okay
cool
yeah,
so
yeah
this
is
the
walking
tour
yeah,
and
this
is
this-
is
the
first
kind
of
iteration
we're
kind
of
planning,
a
second
iteration.
You
know,
and
honestly
I
mean
your
idea-
is
fantastic
in
the
way
that
yeah.
H
F
20
question
you
can
even
put
like
qr
codes,
maybe
at
the
locations
or
there's
just
a
way
to
integrate
it
with
digital,
which
doesn't
change
the
history
of
it.
But
it
adds
like
an
appeal
to
younger
people
and
I
think
sometimes
too,
it
makes
it
more
newsworthy
in
a
way.
F
Yeah
yeah,
an
artist
could
actually
make
it
very
like
an
artist
could
make
it
so
that
when
you
show
up
at
a
location,
you
look
through
your
phone,
the
entire
street
could
look
transformed
like
it
was
in
history,
but
that
would
require,
like
a
3d
artist,
there's
ways
to
do
it
with
less
fuss
by
just
having
like
2d
image
overlays,
but
the
other
thing
I
always
say
the
things
I
learned
about
inglewoodians.
F
They
love
their
mailers.
They
love
their
history
and
they're.
Very
tech
savvy
there's
a
lot
of
very
technically
savvy
people
here
in
inglewood.
So
I
wonder
if
we
could
find
some
community
members
to
help
us
put
together
something
kind
of
a
high-tech
experiment
to
to
showcase
history
like
can
we
recruit
people.
D
G
G
With
a
lot
of
ideas
that
we
actually
have
a
proposal
out
right
now
for
signage
that
that
includes
potentially
include-
I
mean
it's,
it's
very
conceptual
confirmed,
but
we're
looking
at
qr
codes,
so
you'd
be
able
to
scan
the
sign.
You
know
in
front
of
the
ios
building
on
the
3400
block
of
broadway
and
it
would
bring
up
information,
but
taking
it
a
step
further
to
augmented
reality
ar,
I
think,
that's
that's
a
really
cool
idea.
F
That
technology's
right
there,
too
that's
not
far
beyond
us.
I
mean,
if
you
gave
me
a
thousand
hours,
I
could
figure
it
out
myself,
but
I
know
there's,
like
I
said
some
very
technically
savvy
people
in
the
community
and
I
wonder
if
we
could
recruit
some
of
them
to
to
help
to
volunteer
their
savviness
yeah
interesting
idea.
I
I've
not
seen
them
and
would
love
to
get
a
copy
of
one.
I've.
H
G
Let
me
let
me
do
this
eric.
Is
it
possible?
This
is
really
important
stuff
for
the
commission.
Is
it
possible
to
talk
with
chris
about
getting
those
mailed
out
to
each
commission
member.
B
Yeah
that
shouldn't
be
a
problem.
I
mean
they're
available
at
the
civic
center
if
you're
in
the
neighborhood,
but
also,
if
you'd
like
a
just
a
copy
of
mail
t,
I
can
take
care
of
that
on
my
own.
I
think
everybody
I
mean
right
now.
G
No,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
mailed
to
me,
but
it'd
be
good.
I
don't
know
if
madeline's
seen
it
it'd
be
kind
of
nice
for
her
to
have
one
helene
melinda
did
you.
You
got
one
with
your
renewal.
B
And
okay,
so
let
me
grab
a
quick
list
of
names
of
who
needs
these
and
I
can
get
these
sent
out,
probably
by
the
end
of
the
week
or
next
week.
Early
so.
G
B
B
One:
okay,
so
we'll
just
send
you
again:
jason
and
lauren
right
and
helen.
E
H
A
Yeah
we're
coming
up
almost
what
and
I
actually
attended
the
start
to
finish
applying
for
an
shf
grant
and
it
made
my
brain
hurt
and
I
was
glad
we've
got
jason
here
to
explain
it
to
us.
A
H
A
So,
oh-
and
I
think
it
was
from
that-
I
I
made
a
note
of
a
resource
that
I
haven't
had
much
chance
to
look
at,
but
it
might
be
useful
for
some
or
any
of
us.
It's
a
website.
A
G
Well,
the
only
historic
newspapers
I
was
able
to
really
track
down
were
the
ones
that
I
found
in
my
house
when,
when
I
was
doing
some
remodeling.
H
G
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
I
look
around
in
the
in
the
the
pile
that
was
left
at
the
house
after
they
throw
it
down,
but
I
learned
that
the
city
of
denver
tried
to
annex
inglewood
in
1927,
and
that
was
a
big
topic
of
discussion
at
that
point.