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A
D
I
got
my
to
turn
on
and
get
some
tea
in
the
middle
of
our
meeting,
so
yeah
just
enough
time
for
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
Brian
do
you
know
who
is
not
attending
today.
B
D
Well,
it's
one
two
three
four
five
I
think
was
five:
we
have
a
quorum.
D
All
right:
well,
let's
go
ahead
and
start
I
am
calling
to
order
the
August,
16th,
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
and
so
Brian.
Are
you
going
to
take
the
role.
A
B
Yes,
sir,
yes,
here,
Michelle
Austin,
I'm.
A
E
A
D
D
Seeing
none
can
Brian
will
you
call
for
the
vote
to
approve.
B
Can
I
can
do
it?
Okay,
Colin
abstain,
chair
Austin,
yes,.
A
F
F
A
D
Right,
the
next
order
of
business
is
to
approve
the
findings
of
fat
for
case
USD
2022-027.
A
A
B
Sorry,
Kate
Fuller,
no,
it's
gone
Carl.
Yes,.
B
A
D
It's
approved,
I
actually
would
drove
by
the
other
day
and
they've
actually
got
their
sign
up
for
the
is
it
sun,
sun
room
Brewing,
something
like
that?
Okay,
do
we
have
anybody
here
from
the
public?
It
looks
like
we
might
and
look
Sarah,
okay,
all
right
so
for
the
public
forum,
I'm
gonna
open
it
up
for
members
of
the
public
to
to
speak
to
the
to
us
on
any
topic.
Your
your
speaking
time
is
limited
to
three
minutes
and
you
may
ask
questions.
D
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
you,
but
Commissioners
do
not
answer
questions
from
from
this
from
the
public.
So
if
you
wanted
to
speak
about
well,
I
think
we
just
have
a
study
session,
so
we
don't
have
something
else
for
you
guys
to
to
worry
about
so.
Okay,
so
I
saw
Sarah,
I.
Think
Sarah.
Can
you
unmute
and
I
believe
Brian?
You
need
to
swear
her
in.
B
A
D
J
I
guess
I
got
nominated
so
to
speak,
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
voice.
My
concerns.
I
went
to
the
meeting
on
Thursday
that
was
held
by
the
group
that
is
planning
on
developing
the
Navajo
project
that
was
held
at
the
Inglewood
rec
center
and
just
left
with
some
concerns
about
like
what
that
means
for
our
community.
J
I
felt
like
there
were
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions,
especially
regarding
traffic
in
that
area,
which
I
think
has
been
like
an
acknowledged
problem
already,
and
they
stated
that
they
had
submitted
their
traffic
study
to
the
city,
but
really
couldn't
elaborate
on
whether
that
included
like
current
developments
that
are
already
in
progress
and
future
developments
and
what
that's
really
going
to
look
like
for
that
area.
D
J
D
Can
I
just
interrupt
real
briefly
here,
Brian
I'm,
guessing
that
that
was
a
neighborhood
meeting
that
she
was
referring
to
for
a
PUD
or
some
development
that
has
not
yet
come
to
us?
Is
that
correct,
Ryan.
D
All
right
so
Sarah
just
so
you
understand
what
where
we
are
in
the
process
that
particular
development
has
not
come
to
us
yet
for
review
or
any
input
from
us,
I
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
go
ahead
and
continue
with
your
minute
and
a
half
that
you
have
left,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
understand
it
might
be
more
productive
for
you
to
come
back
when
that
app
when
that
project
is
actually
before
us.
J
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
I'm
I'm
relatively,
like
I'm,
trying
to
learn
more
about
the
process,
so
I
wasn't
quite
sure,
but
and
I
appreciate
you
telling
me
that
maybe
I'll
shift
gears
a
little
bit.
So
it
was
a
community
meeting.
J
They
kept
referring
to
like
the
the
div,
the
vision
of
Inglewood
that
was
passed
in
2015
and
that
might
be
not
be
the
correct
name
and
how
they
really
plan
on
developing
that
whole
area.
I
guess
my
concern
is
just
like
really:
what
is
that
going
to
do
for
our
community?
How
are
we
going
to
support
that?
What
does
that
look
like
long
term
and
I?
Guess
I
realize
it's
not
to
you
all.
Yet
now
that
you've
told
me
but
like
there
are
there's
already.
J
Obviously
one
development
that's
been
completed,
a
second
one
in
progress
and
I
guess
I'm,
just
wondering
like
what
does
that
look
like?
How
does
that
look
like
long
term
and
really
like
how
does
that
benefit?
J
Inglewood
they're
talking
about
developing
that
entire
area,
and
it
seems
really
like
the
people
that
have
been
established
here-
I've
been
here
for
over
20
years
as
a
homeowner,
and
it
just
really
feels
like
we're
being
kind
of
put
to
the
Wayside
for
a
large
development
that
is
more
about
like
the
bottom
line
than
like,
actually
developing
and
benefiting
Inglewood.
J
So
I
don't
know
how
much
time
I
have
left,
but
I,
just
I
guess
I
wanted
to
voice
like
I,
don't
think
the
meeting
went
well,
there
was
pretty
much
from
what
I
could
tell
out
of
30
people
like
two
people
that
might
not
totally
oppose
it.
People
left
there
very
upset,
I
think
as
like
a
total
and
I
talked
to
some
people
afterwards,
so
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
your
radar.
J
D
I
I
well
you're
you're,
welcome,
I,
don't
think
our
intent
was
necessarily
to
give
you
an
education.
It's
just
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
understood
that
we
really
didn't
know
what
you
were
talking.
I
mean
I
could
make
an
assumption,
but
we
really
didn't
know
what
you
were
talking
about
and
I
had
no
idea
what
the
scale
was
and
that
sort
of
thing
some
other
commissions
made.
D
But
but
I
don't
know,
but
thank
you
very
much
and
I
do
encourage
you
to
come
back
when
we
have
the
public
hearing
for
for
that
particular
development.
Carl
I,
see
your
hand
up.
J
The
Sam's
Automotive,
the
Radcliffe
one
that
also
came
out
as
a
pod,
was
slightly
discussed,
but
their
focus
was
the
Sam's
Club
Automotive,
that
entire
city
block
or
that
half
a
block
there
that
they
plan
on
building
I.
Think
it's
like
I
can't
remember
the
exact
amount
of
units,
but
it's
it's
it's
it's
it's
large.
It's
the
entire
area.
D
L
Cheers
I
would
like
to
make
my
comment
and
it
is
about
the
same
project
just
for
for
a
point
of
reference
and
entry
into
the
the
three-minute
comment.
I
came
a
few
weeks
ago.
It
might
have
been
about
a
month
ago
and
kind
of
did
show
my
same
concern
about
the
level
of
community
engagement
and
the
way
that
the
community
engagement
is
happening.
I
think
I
share
the
same
concern
that
Sarah
brought.
L
That
meeting
was
a
bad
representation
of
how
this
policy
is
laid
out
right
now,
specifically
that
our
developer
is
the
one
controlling
the
community
engagement
and
the
sources
of
information
about
the
development.
That
kind
of
information
asymmetry
is,
is
extremely
problematic
and
it
played
out
in
just
the
way
that
I
would
have
predicted,
which
is.
We've
got
a
bunch
of
angry
citizens
who
are
now
angry
at
the
developer
here,
lobbyist
communication
firm,
the
architect,
and
shortly,
if
this
keeps
moving
forward,
it
will
be
directed.
L
Unfortunately,
at
this
Committee
in
the
city
and
I
really
want
you
to
hear
that,
because
I
don't
think
the
intent
is
ever
to
put
Neighbors
in
one
line
and
the
city
in
another
line.
Unfortunately,
I
think
that's
what
this
process
is
leading
to.
I
live
on
the
pen.
That's
the
street,
that's
primarily
impacted
by
this.
L
No
one
is
in
favor
of
this
there's
vocal
opposition-
and
this
is
not
a
community
supported
event-
now
totally
understand
that
this
hasn't
come
to
you
in
a
formal
process,
but
I
do
think
you
need
to
be
hearing
this,
and
if
you
would
have
come
to
the
meeting,
you
would
have
come
to
I
believe
a
similar
conclusion.
L
The
point
I'd
really
like
to
make
is
unclearity
about
the
process.
I've
read
I've
done
a
legal
review
on
the
Pud
process,
that's
outlined
in
the
municipal
code
enough
to
say,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
uncertainty
and
unclarity
around,
for
example
the
term
welfare.
What
does
it
mean
to
impact
or
significantly
impact
welfare?
I
can't
make
sense
of
that
and
I'm,
an
economist
who
studies
issues
of
livability
in
community.
That's
something
that
I
think
could
potentially
become
a
very
litigious
topic,
because
there's
no
clear
definition:
what
does
welfare
mean?
L
What
does
that
mean
to
you?
Is
it
economic
welfare,
social,
welfare
and,
frankly,
who
determines
that?
We
also
talk
about
Community
character,
I
would
not
say
I've
ever
seen
a
city
council
person
or
any
of
you
in
my
neighborhood.
Now,
that's
just
because
I
haven't
seen
you
but
I
know
my
community
I
know
what
my
community
feels
like
on
a
daily
basis.
So
when
we
talk
about
impacting
Community
character,
let's
just
take
a
frame
of
reference
right
now,
there's
about
2600,
something
like
that
people
in
our
census
tract
this
unit
alone.
L
Just
this
unit
alone
will
add:
500
people,
that's
adding
20
density
to
our
ZIP,
our
to
our
census
tract
that's
a
real
problem
when
you
think
about
Community
character
and
changing
the
character
of
a
community
I'm
going
to
pause
here,
because
I
know
I'm,
throwing
a
lot
at
you.
I
just
want
to
say
it's
really
important,
that
we
have
clear
definitions
that
I
un
and
that
I
understand
as
a
community
member.
What
you're
voting
on
to
when
it
says
you
have
to
vote
on
a
topic
on
a
PUD
according
to
community
welfare?
L
I
would
really
love
to
know
what
that
means,
how
you're
making
that
decision,
what
data
you're
bringing
to
the
table,
because
I
do
this
all
day
long
for
a
living
just
did
it
10
hours
today
for
a
community
in
Idaho
I
am
all
in
on
supporting
my
community
Through
data,
but
until
I
get
a
definition,
there's
nothing
I
can
bring
to
the
table
so
again
bringing
a
lot
putting
a
lot
down
here.
I
have
a
few
short
minutes,
I'm
sure
they're
over
I'm
gonna
pause.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Daniel
and
yesterday's
three
minutes
are
up,
but
no
problem
are
there
questions
from
any
of
the
Commissioners
that
you
would
like
to
address.
Daniel.
C
Well,
I'll
make
just
one
Stephen,
Daniel
and
I
do
appreciate
the
information
that
you're
presenting
and
all
of
you
are
presenting
and
appreciate
hearing
honestly
ahead
of
time,
a
little
bit
of
of
where
your
concerns
are
also
appreciate.
You
coming
in,
like
you
said
a
few
weeks
ago
or
months
ago,
I
forget
exactly
when
that
was
so
appreciate
your
continued.
You
know
efforts
in
this
regard
and
we
recognize
that,
maybe
not
everything
is
100
clear
in
our
current.
C
You
know
coding
documents,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
working
on
is
is
updating
those
obviously
that
doesn't
solve
the
problem
right
now,
but
honestly,
I'm,
noting
that
what
what
is
what
is
it
well
for?
How
are
we
defining
that
and
well
that
might
not
happen
before
this
conversation
is
complete.
Maybe
it's
something
that
we
can
work
on
and
and
make
better
for
the
next.
The
next
time
so
appreciate
your
information.
C
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
too,
that
our
committee
is
a
volunteer
staff.
That
is
meant
to
give
an
informal
vote
to
city
council
before
they
vote,
and
it
is
our
job
to
kind
of
assess
how
the
community
feels
about
this
kind
of
thing.
And
there
are
those
of
us
who
do
see
the
comments
on
next
door.
F
F
But
please
encourage
your
neighbors
to
come
to
the
bill
to
the
meeting
when
we
have
that
formal
discussion
and
it
will
be
posted
on
the
city
website
and
we'll
try
to
I
mean
I'll,
probably
post
something
on
Nextdoor.
But
you
know
watch
for
just
kind
of
some
formal
announcements
about
that
for
another
chance
to
speak
at
that
meeting.
We
just
provide
an
in
front.
We
we
say
whether
or
not
we
want
we
approve
of
the
development,
but
then
the
final
stage.
D
We
don't
what
we
vote
upon
is
we
recommend
to
city
council
whether
that
we
recommend
to
them
to
go
ahead
and
approve
it,
but
Brent
is
correct
at
city
council
that
has
the
final
decision,
but
part
of
the
packet
that
comes
to
us
in
a
PUD
is
supposed
to
include
a
recap.
Shall
we
say
of
the
neighborhood
meetings,
so
I
will
be
paying
particular
attention
to
that
in
this
that
that
one
in
this
case.
B
And
I'm
the
newest
staff
member
on
this
group:
it's
either
the
developer
or
your
staff,
but
you
know
I
can
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
our
past
ones
to
see
who
provides
that
commentary.
D
Well,
you
know
I've
seen
John's
here
on
on
with
us
and
John
I
know
has
been
around
when
working
with
us
for
quite
a
while
John.
Do
you
have
a
comment
on
provides
that
the
minutes
of
the
neighborhood
meeting.
A
So
I
really
have
never
had
anything
to
do
with
neighborhood
meetings
for
puds,
so
I'm
not
really
sure.
L
D
A
B
Yeah,
if
they
have
some
letters
of
opposition
or
any
kind
of
opposition
that
they
want
to
present
sorry
I
thought
I
started
my
video.
They
can
send
it
to
me.
I'll
put
my
email
address
in
the
chat
that
you
can
send
it
to
or
our
our
community
development
inbox
I'll
put
those
emails
both
in
the
chat
here
in
just
a
few
seconds.
D
Kate
I
remember
seeing
letters
like
that
in
the
packet
I,
don't
know
that
there's
an
actual
requirement
that
they'd
be
there,
but
if
it,
if
it's
not
even
a
requirement,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
see
it
see
those
letters
as
well
as
city
council
sees
those
letters
because
we
really
don't
have
the
whole
picture.
Yeah.
G
I
I
believe
the
letters
we've
seen
in
the
past
were
people
who
could
not
attend
the
public
hearing
wanted
to
have
their
comments
made.
That
could
be
either
way.
I
think
they
should
be
presented
to
us,
regardless
of
whether
the
person
shows
up
as
well.
But
that's
my
recollection
of
all
the
letters
we've
seen
was
people
who
could
not
actually
physically
attend
for
their
comments,
so
they
sent
them
ahead
of
time,
but
I
don't
know
why
you
couldn't
double
up.
D
Right
well
and
and
to
to
Brenda's
Point
previously
I
mean
we
are
all
volunteers
and
we
we
actually
I
mean
I.
I
oftentimes
get
my
information
from
who's
in
my
my
exercise
class
down
at
the
Mali
Center,
so
you
know
that
we
all
have
our
different
ways
of
how
we
interact
with
the
public.
D
But
I
agree
with
you
Judy
that
we
we
need
to
see
as
much
information
as
possible,
because
if
we're
we're
not
prohibited
from
attending
those
neighborhood
meetings,
but
they
can
give
the
public
the
appearance
that
we
are
either
for
or
against
a
project.
So
we
are
encouraged
to
sort
of
not
not
go
to
those
meetings
or
if
we
do
go,
be
very
quiet
and
sit
in
the
back
and
not
ask
a
bunch
of
questions
so,
okay,
Becky.
E
You
know,
I,
don't
think,
there's
enough
out
there
for
the
people
to
to
acknowledge
that
a
lot
of
these
meetings
are
going
on
now,
I
actually
wrote
a
letter
and
hand
delivered
him
to
one
to
the
city
council
and
one
two
zoning
I
believe
about
the
puds.
You
know
going
up.
E
You
know
people
on
Le,
Pan
having
you
know
those
apartments,
condos
or
whatever
they're.
You
know
calling
them
being
put
up.
You
know
50
feet
from
their
property
line
and
they're
not
listening
to
these
people.
I
mean
you
can't
stop
progress,
I
realize
that
and
they
have
made
some
compromises,
but
that
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
all
those
people
on
the
pan
don't
want
that
going
up,
I
mean
if
you
look
around
Inglewood.
E
You
can
certainly
tell
the
new
developments
that
they've
come
in
and
mowed
down
the
old
houses
and
put
up
every
square
inch
of
property
a
building
on
it,
and
it's
just
not
Inglewood.
If
you
look
at
those
houses,
the
new
houses
that
they
have
put
up,
you
know
I
I'm,
not
for
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
That's
going
up
and
there's
not
enough
information
going
out
to
the
Inglewood
residence
for
them
to
come
forward,
and
you
know
give
their
peace
on
this
people
are
not
hearing
about
these
meetings
and
that's
a
big
problem.
E
I
mean
I.
Don't
look
at
the
city
website
all
the
time
to
see?
What's
you
know
what
agenda
is
going
on?
What
what
meeting
should
I
attend
today
and
people
are
not
getting
that
information
about
the
public
meetings?
E
I,
don't
know
what
to
do
about
it
and
you
know
I
mean
people
have
a
life
I,
get
it
sometimes
they're.
Just
too
busy,
they
can't
attend,
like
I
said
they're,
just
not
getting
the
information
to
be
able
to
participate.
I,
guess
is
what
I'm
saying
and
it's
it's
sad
that
all
these
non
single
family
dwellings
are
going
up
in
Inglewood.
It's
sad
I
guess,
that's
all
I
have
to
say:
okay.
D
Thanks
for
listening
well
well,
thank
you,
Becky
and
I
think
that
it's
a
it's
a
very
difficult
problem
to
solve,
to
get
the
word
out,
I.
Think
technically,
in
terms
of
what
the
the
code
says,
I
think
it's
only
what
a
thousand
feet
or
something
like
that
of
where
they
actually
have
to
go,
and
let
people
know
about
the
the
the
neighborhood
meeting
I
know
that
the
city
tries
very
hard
to
get
the
word
out.
D
But
frankly,
it
seems
to
me
like
in
this
day
and
age,
we
should
be
able
to
develop
some
sort
of
a
email
list
or
something
like
that
for
the
city
that
could
really
let
people
know
about
things,
but
we're
not
to
that
point
yet
so.
D
But
it
is
a
problem
and
all
I
can
say
is
encourage
all
of
you
to
get
the
word
out
and
and
to
take
a
look
at
when
this
proposed
project
comes
before
us
Jennifer.
Are
you
wanting
to
speak
as
well?
Jennifer
White.
N
Hi
good
evening,
yes,
please,
my
name
is
Jennifer
white
I'm,
gonna,
piggyback
off
of
Sarah,
Daniel
and
and
Becky
I
I'm
here
specifically
for
the
proposals
that
are
going
on
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
I
I
purchased
my
home
in
the
end
of
2020,
so
I
I've
been
here
for
a
couple
of
years.
Now
the
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
bring
up
and
just
for
food
for
thought
is.
N
You
know
we
bought
this
home
two
years
ago
for
a
couple
of
different
reasons,
one
to
get
out
of
the
city,
because
we
were
living
in
Stapleton
and
it
was
growing
like
crazy.
The
traffic
was
horrific.
It
was
just
getting
too
much.
We
found
that
sense
of
community
here.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
I
mean
the
second
day
we
were
here.
The
fire
department
came
by
and
said:
oh,
my
gosh
I
can't
believe
all
the
work
you've
done,
we're
so
excited
to
have
you
and
I
thought
wow
and
then
learning
about
my
neighbors.
N
You
know
the
person
to
my
left,
her
she
was
raised
here.
She's
raising
her
child.
Her
mom
is
around
the
corner.
You've
got
next
to
her
mom
you've
got
her
daughter
and
then
two
blocks
down,
there's
others,
and
so
that
became
something
where
it
felt
like.
This
was
right.
This
was
a
sense
of
community
I
wanted
to
be
a
part
of,
and
I
I
have
absolutely
loved.
N
One
thing
that
stood
out
to
me
and
I
have
never
been
able
to
get
it
out
of
my
head
is,
and
the
citizen
Joe
Anderson
made
a
comment,
and
it
said
a
large
apartment,
complex,
going
up
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood
full
of
single-family
homes
is
an
unacceptable
radical
change,
and
that
really
resonated
with
me,
because
what
we
are
saying
as
a
community
is
you
know
what
your
home
is
your
largest
purchase?
N
You
will
ever
purchase
in
your
life
for
99.9
percent
of
us
and
we
take
pride
in
that
Home,
and
these
are
single
family,
hard-working
citizens
that
are
working
their
tail
off
to
keep
in
their
homes
and
to
me
when
I
get
off
of
work.
I'm
a
director
in
I.T
I
work
my
long
hours,
and
you
know
what
I
do
after
work
back,
I
love
to
go
outside
and
relax
and
I.
My
heart
is
completely
broken
for
those
people
specifically
on
the
pan.
N
You'll
come
up
to
me
closer
and
closer,
as
the
builds
continue
to
to
happen,
but
within
50
feet
100
feet.
These
people
are
going
to
be
in
their
backyards.
Looking
up
in
a
single
family
home
directly
up
where
people
can
look
down
on
them
in
my
heart,
truly
is
broken
for
them,
and
I'm
appalled
when
I
go
to
these
city
meetings
and
these
Community
meetings,
because
I
just
hear
justification
as
to
why
this
is
happening
and
I
don't
feel
like
the
community
is
being
heard.
N
And
so
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to
come
is
I
know
it's
not
on
the
docket
yet,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
people
food
for
thought
and
what's
been
bothering
me
and
keeping
me
up
at
night.
I've
just
talked
to
a
woman
earlier
today
been
in
her
home
for
35
years
and
said
I
gotta
get
out
of
here
we're
doing
this
to
our
own
community
and
that's
heartbreaking
to
me
and
I.
I
am
all
for
growth.
I
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
Inglewood
I'm
here
after
work.
N
I
want
to
do
this,
but
I
want
to
do
it
smart
and
what
makes
sense
and
we
want
it
to
be
a
walkable
Community.
There's
plenty
of
other
options
in
building
high-rise
Apartments
within
a
few
hundred
feet
of
people's
homes
is
wrong,
and
that's
all
I
ask
in
closing
is
that
every
single
one
of
us
should
go
home
tonight
and
sit
on
our
porch,
whether
it's
our
front
porch,
your
back
porch
wherever
you
are,
that
you
find
that
sanctuary
and
think
about
it
and
think.
N
D
Jennifer,
okay:
Amelia:
are
you
wanting
to
speak.
D
Right,
thank
you.
I
do
see
Somebody
by
the
name
of
Dan,
with
a
big
orange
block.
There
is
Dan.
Are
you
wanting
to
speak.
H
D
H
H
And
I
own
the
property,
which
is
a
duplex
at
656
and
660
East
Yale,
it's
non-conforming,
it's
1048
feet.
It's
a
duplex,
as
I
said
built
in
1935
code
now
states
that
I
cannot
change
the
footprint
at
all.
It
was
built
as
a
dupe
as
a
duplex.
Then
it
still
is
I.
It's
it's
in
an
r1a
Zone.
H
It's
got
I
think
9150
feet
with
a
1050
foot
structure
on
it,
I'd
like
to
add
Maybe
150
feet
per
side
to
it
code.
Now,
States
I
can't
do
it
I'm
just
trying
to
keep.
What's
there
already
and
has
been
there
for
85
years
and
and
I
I
understand,
you
guys
had
bigger
fish
to
fry
with
apartment
complexes
that
you
know,
300,
departments
and
and
plus.
Perhaps,
but
you
know
when
when
somebody
says
well,
this
will
change
the
character.
H
The
neighborhood,
if
you
change
the
footprint
I've,
been
told
that
you
know
that
if
we
give
it
to
you
Mr
Jacobson,
then
we've
got
to
give
it
to
somebody
else.
I
mean
you.
Can
you
can
go
a
block
and
a
half
away
and
see
and
by
the
way
I
am
allowed
to
tear
it
down
and
build
a
4
000
square
foot
home?
That
would
be
fine
and
I
I
guess
you
know
I
hadn't
really
intended
on
speaking
so
I'm
not
completely
prepared,
but
I.
H
Think
you
get
the
point
and
again
going
back
to
what
these
other
folks
has
just
said.
You
know
I'm
not
trying
to
make
this
a
three-story
structure,
I'm
I
it
would.
It
would
impact
nobody,
there's
eight
non-conforming
structures,
not
counting
adus
in
the
r1a
zone,
in
the
entire
city
of
Englewood.
H
So
why
they're
saying
you
can't
do
you
can't
you?
You
can't
even
add
on
I've,
got
great
setbacks,
18
feet
on
each
side
and
so
I
know
I'm
getting
a
bit
specific,
and-
and
maybe
you
don't
need
to
hear
this-
and
but
it's
just
frustrating
to
try
and
keep
the
area
as
it
is
and
and
then
I'm
told
no,
you
got
to
keep
your
your
little
building
there.
Seven
foot
ceilings
that
probably
was
state
of
the
art
in
1935.,
but
it.
D
Isn't
Dan
your
three
minutes
are
up
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
It
is
very
frustrating
I
understand.
Brenda.
You
had
some
questions
for
him.
F
Yes,
yes,
Dan
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Did
anyone
from
code
or
development
tell
you
whether
or
not
you
could
apply
for
a
variance.
H
I've
been
I've,
been
there
I've
spoken
to
a
person
by
the
name
of
Eisen,
yes,
but
they
said,
let's
play
this
out.
First
in
the
code
next
I've
been
to
every
meeting,
I
could
attend
in
person
and
I
was
I
spoke
with
the
last
one
online.
H
So
yes,
and
no,
but
they
said
to
wait,
let's
see
because
let's
try
and
work
this
out
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
truly
do
and
it
might,
but
you
know,
my
piece
of
the
pie
is
so
small
in
comparison
to
what
these
folks
are
talking
about
and
I
understand
why,
and
it
makes
perfect
sense
so
anyway,
yeah.
F
Just
to
just
to
piggyback
on
that
I
applied
and
I
got
a
variance.
You
know,
I've
built
an
Adu,
and
my
garage
doesn't
line
up
with
everybody
in
all
the
other
garages.
Around
me,
mine
is
within
is
set
back
a
little
too
further,
so
that
the
additional
structure
is
not
within
32
percent
of
the
backyard.
It's
a
long
story,
but
I
didn't
want
to
wait
for
them
to
redo
the
code
in
code
next,
so
you
have
a
choice
to
see
if
it
pans
out
in
your
favor
or
apply
for
a
variance
you'll
apply.
F
You've
got
to
put
up
a
sign
that
says:
I
have
applied
for
variance,
and
the
hearing
is
on
this
date
and
then
you
speak
before
a
body
of
people.
Just
like
us,
volunteers,
different
group
of
people
and
they'll
vote,
whether
or
not
to
grant
you
your
variance
and
I
was
approved.
So
I
don't
know,
I,
throw
that
out
there
well.
H
Thank
you,
I
mean.
That's,
that's
that's.
That's
that's
great
to
know.
I
mean
it's
just
that
the
time
frame
was
such
that
I
felt
I'd
play
this
out
and
perhaps
give
the
code
a
chance
to
change
which
I
think.
Given
the
fact.
You
know
that
there's
only
eight
in
an
entire
city,
you
know
it
it.
It's
not.
A
D
But
you
are
getting
quite
specific
to
your
particular
property
and
that's
way
before
it
has
anything
really
to
do
with
us.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
what
what
Brenda
suggested
contact,
Community
developments
and
talk
to
them,
because
there
are
that's.
The
whole
purpose
of
variances
is
to
allow
people
that
you
know
little
foot
here.
A
little
couple
feet
there
that
sort
of
thing
and
it's
not
a
major
impact
of
the
to
the
city.
Very
often
they
are
granted.
So
that
would
be
your
next
step.
Thank
you
sure.
Thank
you.
A
K
I
just
want
to
just
want
to
say
that
the
years
that
I've
been
on
the
committee
here
are
those
people
I
think
that
I
can
remember
coming
to
make
any
comments
so
really
a
picture
of
your
effort
in
making
comments.
K
What
I've
seen
in
in
the
city
is
you
have
to
make
these
comments
hundreds
of
times
I?
Don't
want
to
discourage
you,
but
just
because
you
say
something
one
time
doesn't
it
doesn't
sink
in.
K
Our
our
meetings,
when
we're
discussing
the
project
and
city
council
also
the
city
council,
will
need
to
know
which,
how
you
feel
let
them
know
what
what
you
want
and
make
make
it
known
that
what
you
want.
That's
they
won't
know
unless
you
tell
them
so
appreciate
your
coming
out.
Thank
you.
D
Becky
we've
already
caught
called
upon
you
and
you've
fixed
your
three
minutes
are
up.
Is
there
something
very
quick
you
want
to
say,
I
want
to
be
generous,
but
also
want
to
be
respectful
of
the
commissioner's
time.
No.
E
D
E
D
D
D
If
you're
done,
can
you
please
unraise
your
hand
or
put
your
hand
down
or
thank
you?
Okay,
there
we
go:
okay,
Amelia
and
Victoria.
Take
it
away.
I
Sure
well
before
Amelia
starts,
I
just
want
to
introduce
her.
She
she's
our
legal
intern
this
summer
and
a
little
bit
into
the
fall
she's.
A
rising
thrill
at
Denver,
University
School
of
Law
and
she's
been
doing
tremendous
work
for
us
and
in
the
city,
and
we
really
thank
her
for
putting
this
together
tonight.
C
Real
quick
Amelia
before
you
get
started
does
the
public?
Are
they
welcome
to
stay
for
this
if
they
want
to?
Obviously
you
don't
have
to
if
you
don't
want
to,
but
welcome,
to
stay
around
and
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
what
we
have
going
on.
O
Here
we
go
so
tonight
we're
going
to
be
going
over
a
little
bit
of
training
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
in
terms
of
some
legal
requirements.
O
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission,
along
with
making
recommendations
to
city
council.
This
commission
makes
decisions
about
Planning
and
Zoning
changes
during
a
public
hearing
process.
O
O
So
imagine
that
you're
on
trial
for
committing
a
crime
and
the
judge
had
dinner
with
the
prosecutor
the
night
before
this
is
what
we
want
you
to
avoid,
because
it's
going
to
deny
that
other
party
procedural
due
process,
so
by
speaking
to
one
of
the
parties
in
let's,
say,
a
change
for
or
granting
a
variance.
O
So
when
you're
talking
about
that
case
without
the
other
party
present,
that
other
party
is
not
able
to
hear
the
arguments
that
person
is
making
and
make
other
arguments
on
their
behalf,
so
they're
also
major
legal
implications
to
engaging
in
these
sorts
of
ex
parte
contacts.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
your
decision
can
be
invalidated
or
be
grounds
for
an
appeal,
and
nobody
wants
to
go
to
court.
O
You
should
make
sure
that
all
the
written
materials
that
you
prepare
and
receive
for
the
hearing
are
shared
with
all
parties,
and
you
may
also
find
yourself
in
situations
where
you're
approached
one
of
the
parties.
So,
although
you
might
see
them
in
king
supers
and
it
feels
awkward
to
say
no,
you
need
to
tell
them
that
you
can't
talk
about
the
case.
That's
improper
and
it's
unethical
for
you
to
be
engaging
with
them
on
the
matter,
but
things
do
happen.
O
So
if
you
suspect
that
you
may
have
engaged
in
an
ex
parte
contact
as
a
commission
member,
you
should
first
tell
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
report
that
contact
to
everybody
at
the
start
of
the
hearing
when
that
case
is
being
heard
and
do
so
completely
just
so,
you
can
either
be
recused
from
the
from
the
matter
or
the
city
attorney's
office
can
take
the
steps
that
we
need
to
take.
D
Amelia,
would
you
mind
me
pausing
you
for
a
moment.
Carl
has
his
hand
up
yeah
sure.
K
You
were
here
about
20
minutes
ago
and
using
just
the
people
coming
from
the
public
which
they're
invited
to
come
to
the
public
and
and
speak
that
something
they
do.
We
do
every
meeting
and
you
witnessed
them
coming
and
talking
about
the
opposing
a
project
that
we
have
not
had
any
information
on
whatsoever.
So
they're
opposing.
O
So
Vicky
can
correct
me
but
I'm
under
the
impression
that
that
case
has
not
been
fully
set
to
be
heard
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
yet
so,
in
this
case,
we're
also
in
a
public
hearing
setting
right
now.
So
if
that
developer
wanted
to
come
and
speak
their
mind
tonight,
if
they
wanted
to
as
part
of
the
public
comment,
they
could
have
that's.
Why,
when
we're
here
in
a
public
setting
that's
a
lot
different
than
if
you're,
in
a
back
room.
K
Not
really
we're
here
on
public
setting
and
we're
hearing
from
one
side
of
a
a
project.
Okay,
this
is
not
a
hearing.
This
is
not
a
public
hearing.
This
is
a
public
comments
that
a
commissioner's
meeting
so
but
we're
hearing
one
side
of
a
a
project
and
we're
not
hearing
from
the
other
side
of
the
project.
So
is
that
does
that
not
matter
because
it's
not
a
public
hearing.
O
I
Loss
and
and
to
add
to
Amelia
is
you
know,
response
and
comment
which
is
spot
on
and
also
and
again,
Carl.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
What
I
think
is
also
important
is
that,
with
this
being
part
of
a
public
setting
when
this
matter
in
this
case
is
finally
before
the
commission,
there
is
now
a
record
of
what
the
concerns
were,
so
that
the
developer
will
have
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
that
information.
I
You
know
one
thing
that
Amelia
mentioned
and
then-
and
that
can
happen
to
correct
when
there
is
one
of
these
ex
parte
Communications-
is
to
take
that
message
and
that
information
distributed
amongst
the
commission
members
so
that
everyone
has
access
to
it
as
well
as
the
opposing
side,
so
that
there
is
still
a
fair,
unbiased
process
that
we
apply
when
making
these
decisions.
K
Okay,
the
the
the
comments
are
recorded
or
they're
you
can
you
can
go
back
and
look
at
anybody
can
go
back
and
look
at
them.
So
so
that's
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
I
really
follow
you.
There.
I
Sure
so
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
the
developer
will
be
able
to
respond
to
now
when
the
case
is
is
before
on
the
commission,
because
there's
now
a
record
of
it,
it
is
recorded,
they
can
go
back
and
see.
We
can
make
that
part
that
you
know
staff
can
make
that
part
of
the
agenda
packet
when
the
case
is
before
the
commission.
I
The
issue
with
ex
part
day
communications
is
that
they're
not
occurring
in
such
a
setting
before
where
the
public
and
others
have
had
the
opportunity
to
come,
respond
and
address
the
Commissioners
they're
happening,
like
Amelia
mentioned
at
King
Soopers
at
the
grocery
store,
when
you're,
taking
a
walk
or-
or
perhaps
you
know,
privately
by
email
or
if
you're,
viewing
a
a
potential
site
for
development
they're
happening
outside
of
you
know:
public
scrutiny
really
and
potentially
behind
closed
doors,
and
that's
where
the
concern
starts
to
grow
about
what
being
communicated
and
then
what
whether
or
not
those
private
meetings
and
information
are
then
being
relied
upon
to
make
decisions
before
the
commission.
K
K
We're
not
we
haven't
heard
the
about
these
meetings
and
I
I
haven't
heard
about
any
of
these
meetings
whatsoever.
If
we
were
to
go
to
one
of
these
meetings,
what
what
are
our
limits
on
listening
or
commenting
being.
I
I
So
what
we'd
want
to
so
the
important
things
to
remember
there
and
and
part
of
this
will
also
be
addressed
in
other.
You
know:
training
material
that
we're
putting
together
in
connection
with
the
city
clerk's
office.
I
I
That
goes
back
to
you
kind
of
why
we
don't
I'm
gonna
email,
everyone.
It
has
no
comments
that
go
back
and
forth
in
the
thread,
because
again
we
want
to
make
sure
that
decisions
are
being
made
in
these
forums.
So
we
would
want
to
be
mindful
of
that.
But
then,
when
it
comes
to
you
know
being
at
the
community
meeting,
you
know
again
making
sure
that
you're
not
being
seen
to
prejudge
the
issue.
I
But
you
can
be
there
to
get
information
about
the
development
when
is
will
be
eventually
becoming
before
the
Commissioners,
because
the
the
finding
the
results
of
those
Community
meetings
are
are
put
together
as
part
of
the
agenda
packet.
That
eventually
becomes
comes
before
the
the
commission.
Okay.
K
That's
very
helpful:
your
presentation
is
to
me
is
cut
and
dried,
and
not
realistic,
where
real
life
is
to
me
is
different.
I
mean
it's
hard
to
take
on
control
the
other
one.
You
know,
let's
I
can
see.
I
can
see
presentation,
you
know
how
it
should
be
working
and
it's
usually
the
presentation
is
ideal,
but
you
get
into
real
life
and
it's
a
little
bit
different.
So
I
appreciate
your
presentation,
though,.
G
I
don't
know
Carl.
If
this
will
help
I
mean
we,
we
have
we've
had
multiple
discussions
on
ex
parte
over
the
last,
the
time
that
I've
been
on
planning
and
zoning
and
I
can't
say,
I
have
a
full
grasp
of
it.
But
my
understanding
is:
we
are
citizens
as
well.
We
are
free
to
go
to
community
meetings.
We
are
free
to
even
stand
up
and
ask
questions.
G
We
have
the
right
to
do
that.
It
it.
What
what
I
understood
in
the
past
were
a
couple
things,
and-
and
this
is
a
perfect
example
in
this
particular
case
because
I
happen
to
have
been
included
in
the
mailing
because
they
extended
their
mailing
to
1500
feet
instead
of
a
thousand
so
that
actually
reached
where
I
lived
on
this
particular
one
I
debated
with
myself
about
going
to
the
community
meeting
and
chose
not
to,
and
that
was
simply
because
there
is
another
development.
G
I
cannot
participate
in
any
active
opposition
or
for
it
I
explained
to
them
how
the
public
hearing
Works,
how
they
can
communicate
with
Community
Development,
how
they
can
make
sure
that
we
know
their
position,
but
that
he
and
I
couldn't
know
the
no
longer
talk
about
it.
I
could
let
him
know
when
it
came
when
I
heard
that
if
I
knew
that
the
public
hearing
was
going
to
happen
for
us,
I
would
happily
communicate
that
to
him
so
that
he
could
attend,
but
I
believe.
G
So
that's
where
and
you
can
tell
me
if
I
handled
that
incorrectly
or
not,
but
what
I
was
told,
is
we're.
Citizens
I
might
have
a
an
opinion
on
that.
If
I
have
a
really
strong
opinion
on
that,
then
I
need
to
recuse
myself
from
the
public
hearing.
I
can't
I
can't
be
unbiased
if,
if
it
would,
if
I
lived,
if
my
back,
if
I
live
in
one
of
those
houses,
that
back
to
Le
Pan
or
on
the
pan,
that's
going
to
back
to
this
and
I
was
very
strongly
opposed.
G
I
believe
that
as
a
commissioner
I
have
to
recuse
myself
from
that
public
hearing,
but
I
could
stand
up
and
speak
in
my
opposition
at
that
point.
So
you
can
tell
me
if
I
completely
understood,
misunderstood
what
we'd
been
told
before,
but
that's
how
I
handled
this
situation?
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
you
Carl,
but
make
sure
that
I'm
right
first
before
that
helps
you
earn
a
lot.
I
About
sure
I
mean
so
it's
not
a
conflict
of
interest
to
have
an
opinion.
The
conflict
arises
if
you
act
on
that
opinion
and
personally
benefit
it
from
it,
rather
than
putting
the
general
Public's
interest
first.
So
if
you're,
you
know
right
coming
into
the
situation
like
you've
talked
about
where
you're
you
feel
like
you're
conflicted
and
you're,
not
able
to
put
the
public
interest.
You
know
before
your
own.
I
You
know
how
personal
decisions,
then
that
might
be
an
issue
where
you
think
you
might
need
to
recuse
yourself
and
our
office
is
certainly
available
to
talk
about
that
with
you
and
to
you
know,
go
back
and
forth
to
assess
whether
or
not
that
is
something
you
should
consider
doing
or
or
if
it's
just
a
matter
of
where
you
need
to
come
forward
to
the
to
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
and
explain
the
situation
and
and
you
come,
we
can
come
to
that
decision
openly
in
a
public
manner.
I
Yeah
there's
ways
to
address
that,
but
from
from
help,
if
I
understood
what
you
you
talked
about
correctly
I,
don't
think
you
handle
the
situation
in
an
incorrect
manner.
But
again
we
always
encourage
you
or
any
of
the
Commissioners
to
reach
out
to
our
office,
and
we
can
help.
You
know,
address
individual
issues
as
they
arise.
I
D
You
Vicky
Colin,
I,
see
your
hand
out.
C
Yeah
and
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
Carl
I
understand
that
you're
saying
real
world
might
not
act
exactly
that
way,
but
we
did
all
take
an
oath
to
be
on
this
committee
and
we
signed
paperwork.
That
said,
we
would
do
what
we
said
we
are
going
to
do,
and
you
know
I
think
we
all
take
that
very
seriously
and
whether
I
would
absolutely
shut
somebody
down
the
very
first
minute
they
started
talking
about
something
before
I
realized.
C
It
I
don't
know
if
that
would
happen,
but
I
think
we're
all
here,
because
we
want
to
do
what's
best
for
the
city
and
I
think
the
intent
of
these
guidelines
and
this
training
is
to
just
make
us
aware
that
we
don't
want
to
get
out
of
line
in
that
regard.
I
think
it's
something
that
we're
all
intending
to
do
the
right
way
and
I.
C
A
K
There
you
go
I,
think
the
we're
all
different
every
every
one
of
the
Commissioners
are
are
different.
They
have
different
backgrounds,
different
goals.
You
you
can't
take
that
away
from
people.
If
you
do,
then
all
you
need
is
one
robot.
K
You
you
put
in
some
data
and
you
get
a
response
back,
so
we're
not
robots
and
we
have
our
personal
interests
and
we
I
think
we've
got
a
pretty
good
commission
now,
I
think
they're,
basically
interested
in
the
improving
the
city
of
England.
K
K
The
the
the
first
not
procedures,
but
the
the
10
months
of
development
meetings
have
been
just
one
right
after
another
and
telling
us
you
know
how
we
were
supposed
to
think
I'm.
Sorry,
but
I,
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
way.
You
owe
me
one
thing
and
I'm
gonna
say:
well:
okay,
yeah,
I
kind
of
see
your
point
and
you
tell
me
something
else
and
I.
That's
not
what
I
think
and
I'm
gonna
say:
well,
no
I,
don't
think
so!
You're
wrong.
So.
K
Got
their
own
opinion
and
I
think
the
commission
right
now
is
a
lot
of
good
people
that
are
really
interested
in
improving
and
that's
the
point.
That's
what
we're
here
for
so
that's
what
we
need
to
do
and
try
to
do
our
best
and
come
up
with
decisions
that
we
can
agree
and
yeah.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
Carl
Brenda,
I,
see
your
hand
up.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
say
this
out
loud,
so
what
my
understanding
is
of
and
whether
or
not
it's
Affirmed
my
understanding
is
communication
outside
this
team
and
amongst
each
other,
and
that
communication
should
be
nowhere.
But
here
I
I
can
tell
you
that
some
people
have
reached
out
to
me
and
I
I
I've,
even
it's
public.
F
That
I've
simply
said
that
here's
the
process
and
please
go
to
speak
at
these
meetings
when
it's
announced
and
go
to
City
Council,
because
a
lot
of
people
I've
noticed
on
next
door,
we'll
we'll
post
things
like
the
city
is
going
to
has
decided
to
buy
that
property
or
the
city
is
going
to
make
us
do
this.
You
know
so
I
always
seek
to
clarify
what
the
process
is
and
without
giving
my
opinion.
F
I
listened
to
the
presentation
and
I
made
a
decision
based
on.
You
know
whether
they
met
the
criteria
and
on
the
opinions
of
the
people
who
spoke.
So
my
question
is
this:
development
that
hasn't
come
up
before
us
might
be
very
unpopular
and
how
much
I
can
use
that
in
weighing
my
decision
in
in
approving
this
PUD?
I
I
You
know
sharing
that
with
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners.
They
can
also
rely
on
that
information.
I
Would
would
take
the
take
that
information
being
out
of
the
realm
of
export
day
communications
and
putting
it
into
this
public
sphere.
Where,
then,
you
know
it's
just
completely
appropriate
to
use
and
rely
on
that
that
the
facts
and
the
evidence
that
you've
gained
from
those
Community
meetings
to
the
benefit
of
the
entire
body.
I
So
you
know
that
could
be
okay
as
long
as
it's
now
being
shared
with
the
rest
of
the
Commissioners
and
I
I,
do
recall,
being
you
know
present
for
for
some
of
the
you
know,
prior
decisions
that
this
commission
has
has
made,
where
references
to
what
has
been
heard
at
other
community
meetings
or
in
the
community
has
been.
You
know
discussed,
as
part
of
you
know,
different
members
when
they
make
their
findings,
and
then
that
does
allow
for
other
members
to
have
that
information
and
to
be
able
to
rely
on
it.
I
C
And
then
I,
never
unmuted
I
think
you
basically
just
said
this
Victoria,
so
we
can
have
our
own
opinions
and
we
can
share
those
and
influence
those
as
long
as
we're
doing
it
all
together
and
so
yeah
Carl
I
I
love
your
input
on.
You
know
things
that
I
might
think
a
little
differently
and
I
love
to
hear
different
viewpoints
on
that.
So
I
guess
the
reality
is
you're
right.
We
all
do.
C
We
have
our
own
opinions
and
our
own
backgrounds
and
our
own
desires
from
this
and
our
own
thoughts
on
what
is
right
for
the
city
of
Inglewood
I.
Think
you're
right.
We
have
a
good
group
that
generally
wants
to
do
better,
but
it's
okay,
that
we
have
different
input
as
long
as
we're
sharing
it
with
each
other,
not
doing
it
in
small
rooms.
C
C
O
Right
so
you
make
the
decision
and
I'm
guessing
nine
and
a
half
times
out
of
ten
city
council
will
take
that
decision.
That's
what
I
mean
that
they're
binding
in
some
other
places
other
municipalities,
sometimes
decisions
of
a
quasi-judicial
board
are
legally
binding
when
they
make
that
decision
just
depending
on
the
city's
Charter.
C
O
I
Sure
yeah,
essentially
yes,
and
what
the
issue
would
be
is
if
there
was
some
sort
of
you
know
impropriety
with
the
decision
made
and
in
this
commission,
but
then
Council
ratified
in
the
event
that
there
was
ever
a
legal
challenge.
I
It
could
be.
You
know
the
decisions
could
be
reversed.
D
Well,
I
can
tell
we're
not
the
official
decision
makers
on
Capital
Improvement
projects.
That's
for
sure.
K
K
I
want
to
not
let
you
mention
on
when
we
do
have
hearings
we're,
given
a
notice
like
within
a
week
of
the
hearing
and
I'd
like
to
have
more
time
to
look
into
like
the
last
hearing
we
had
was
for
our
Brewery.
Well,
okay,
whatever
that's!
That's!
That's
fine!
K
You
know,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
things
to
look
into
on
that,
but
on
the
the
apartments
come
up,
I'd
like
to
have
at
least
a
couple
of
weeks
on
that
I'd
like
to
have
that
on
our
schedule
for
two
weeks
ahead
of
the
hearing
now,
I,
don't
know
if
Nancy's
not
here
so
I'm,
not
sure
who
would
really
do
that.
G
I
think
the
challenge
might
be
not
holding
up
there
public.
You
know
not
holding
up
the
process
because
we
don't
have
a
meeting
coming
up.
I
think
that
may
be
some
of
the
problem
that
we
only
get
a
week,
but
the
whole
process
is
so
long
and
cumbersome.
I
think
then,
in
some
cases,
waiting
for
us
to
have
a
regular
meeting
could
put
them
back
a
whole
month.
I'll,
let
Ryan
answer,
but
I
presume
it's
trying
not
to
hold
up
the
process
anymore.
B
B
B
K
Actually,
both
the
the
public
needs
to
be
notified
that
we're
having
the
hearing
so
that
they
can
come
and
voice
their
opinion,
and
we
need
to
have
enough
time
that,
if
we're
busy,
we
need
to
drive
by
the
location.
Look
at
it
and
you
know,
and
maybe
try
to
assess
what
we're
gonna
hear,
because
during
during
the
the
hearing
is
basically
the
developers
we're
getting
all
the
information
from
the
developer.
That's
doing
the
project
and
we're
they
want
to
do
this.
They
want
to
do
that.
K
You
can't
you
got
to
believe
it
because
you
don't
have
time
to
really
look
into
it.
K
O
Yeah
Vicky
I
think
you
are
sharing
an
old
version
of
that
PowerPoint
because
I'm
missing
the
three
slides
of
the
Pud
zoning
requirement.
Acceptance.
I
O
Okay,
so
you
pretty
much
caught
me
at
the
end,
but
just
wanted
to
go
over.
So
if
you
do
think
that
you
had
engaged
in
an
ex
parte
contact
promptly,
informed
the
city
attorney's
office
and
just
like
we
talked
about,
if
you
feel
like
you,
have
come
into
any
materials
that
would
be
considered
an
ex
parte
contact
if
you
didn't
share
them
with
anyone.
O
Just
err
on
the
side
of
caution
and
provide
those
documents
with
everybody
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing
or
in
the
weeks
before,
like
Carl
requested,
and
if
you
have
one
of
those
conversations
when
you
describe
that
contact,
try
and
do
so
as
completely
as
possible.
So
we
do
know
what
was
said.
The
other
party
knows
what
was
said
and
we
can
kind
of
expunge
that
that
conflict,
okay
and
then
the
end
is
just
for
further
questions.
You
can
direct
them
to
Vicky.
I
Thank
you
again,
Amelia.
Are
there
any
other
questions
that
we
can
address
this
time.
C
I
That's
our
goal.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
have
it,
so
it's
not
too
long
at
anyone's
sitting,
but
there
had
also
been
a
request
that
we've
received
for
the
kind
of
criteria
that
should
be
assessed
when
you
are
looking
at
puds.
What
kind
of
conditions
can
and
should,
or
what
are
the
boundaries
on
conditions
that
can
be
imposed
on
on
developers
if
they're
going
to
be
granted,
so
that
that's
that's
something
we
have
coming
up
for
for
next
month?.
B
And
then
we
also
received
requests
about.
You
know
things
that
staff
typically
hear
from
the
community
like
anything
presented
to
you
on
fence
permits
or
book
plan
requirements
or
setback
or
landscape.
Our
goal
is
to
try
to
get
through
this.
B
Hopefully
before
the
new
code
is
adopted,
and
we
might
have
another
round
of
of
educational
topics
once
the
new
code
is
adopted,
but
yeah
there's
the
training
from
the
city
attorney's
office
and
then
planning
staff
will
also
put
together
other
just
small
trainings
that
we'll
put
in
at
the
end
of
the
end
of
our
meetings,
foreign.
C
I
So
that's
in
thing
for
it
for
the
next
training
in
September
I'll,
look
into
that
and
and
have
that
be
more
work
on
getting
some
factors
together
on
what
that
would
look
like
awesome.
Thank
you.
G
A
G
M
G
M
B
I,
don't
have
anything
other
than
we
will
have
a
and
I
think
Chris
mentioned
this
on
our
UBC
subcommittee
meeting.
But
we
have
an
update
to
council
scheduled
for
next
Monday
night.
I
We're
having
these
paintings,
so
we
can
look
forward
to
I
think
it
will
be
set
for
September
20th,
we'll
be
our
next
training
in
the
interim.
If
there's
other
topics
that
you
would
like
to
receive
further
education
on,
let
us
know.
G
Great
thanks,
commissioner
Choice
I'll
just
go
in
the
order.
I
see
Carl.
G
A
G
G
A
A
G
C
Just
reiterate,
thanks
again
to
Amelia
and
Victoria
for
that
information
in
Judy.
With
that
note,
I
think
we
talked
a
few
months
ago
about
whether
we
wanted
to
come
back
at
some
point
in
time
and
kind
of
tabled
it
for
a
while
yeah.
C
Yeah
I
mean
on
those
nights
when
I'm
like
rushing
down
to
get
here.
It's
not
the
worst
thing
in
the
world,
but
there
are
I,
think
benefits
to
going
back
and
it
feels
like
some
of
the
other
commissions
I
think
might
be
going
back.
So
I,
wouldn't
you
know,
have
a
heartache
if
we
wanted
to
bring
it
up.
Maybe
next
meeting
again
to
talk
about.
M
I,
don't
have
anything
to
add,
except
for
thank
you,
yes,
Amelia
and
and
the
whole
the
staff
for
putting
together
that
presentation,
as
you
can
tell,
by
all
the
questions
and
from
the
Commissioners,
it
was
something
that
we
needed
to
talk
about
and
having
this
meeting
today
with
the
public
forum
sort
of
brought
it
all
home
which
was
sort
of
an
interesting
coincidence
so
other
than
that
I'm
good.
Thank
you.
G
So
yeah
I
was
really
grateful
ex
what.
K
I've
got
a
let
me
break
in
here.
The
Council
has
actually
been
talking
about
going
virtual
on
their
study
sessions
I.
They
mentioned
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
has
been
virtual
for
for
ages
and
they
they're
they're
talking
about
trying
to
saving
like
thirty
dollars
a
week
or
something
by
going
to
Virtual
meetings
for
a
study
session,
not
not
for
the
council
meetings
but
for
study
sessions
on
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there.
They
talked
about
that
last
meeting.
G
A
It
costs
money
for
us
to
have
somebody
stand
outside
our
meetings
or
something
like
that.
I
have
no
idea.
You
didn't
think
about
that.
G
I
was
really
I
just
want
to
comment
how
grateful
I
was
that
we
actually
had
we
never
have
anybody
show
up
in
our
meeting,
so
I
was
really
grateful
that
they
were
willing
to
come
so
I.
Try
and
encourage
I've
tried
to
encourage
my
neighbors,
who
have
brought
things
to
my
attention.
Saying
you
come
to
our
meetings,
come
see
what
we
do.
I
understand
our
process,
but
anyway,
so
thank
you,
Amelia
and
Victoria.
This
is
very
helpful.
G
It's
always
good
to
talk,
because
that
ex
parte
thing
is
always
a
tough,
a
tough
line.
It's
very
nuanced!
When
you
live
in
the
community
to
be
careful
about
what
comes
before
us,
I
I,
just
I
find
it
very
challenging,
but
yeah
probably
the
big
thing
is
we
can't
talk
to
each
other
and
come
to
an
agreement
outside
this
meeting.
That's
probably
the
big
thing
and
all
you
have
to
do
is
look
at
Douglas
County
for
where
that
could
go
sideways.
So
anyways
thanks.
Everybody
we'll
see
ya.