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Okay,
so
it's
about
three
minutes
after
six-
and
I
know
our
first
consultant
team-
we're
scheduled
to
get
going
at
6
10.,
so
I'll
provide
a
few
introductory
comments
and
and
a
little
bit
of
a
road
map
for
what's
going
on
this
evening
with
our
interviews.
So
for
those
of
you
who
we
haven't
had,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
meet.
My
name
is
brad
power
and
I'm
the
director
of
the
community
development
department
and
on
behalf
of
all
of
us
in
the
department.
B
B
It's
not
done
every
day
and
we
appreciate
and
advance
the
time
and
attention
you'll
give
to
this
entire
project,
but
tonight's
exciting,
because
it
represents
a
pretty
interesting
start
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
to
two
pretty
well
very
well
qualified
firms
who
are
interested
in
helping
us
along
the
way.
So
one
of
things
I
wanted
to
start
off
with
and
just
mention
is
that
we've
re-christened
this
project.
B
There
were
major
parts
of
it
that
were
updated,
but
this
really
represents
the
first
true
complete
update
of
the
code
in
a
generation,
and
so
we
thought
given
the
pace
of
change
in
the
community
and
just
the
the
change
in
development
standards
that
are
in
a
lot
of
communities
these
days.
We
thought
it
was
an
opportune
time
in
this
part
of
englewood's
history
to
take
a
look
at
the
code
and
and
put
it
in
a
good
spot
for
a
next
generation
of
guiding
development.
B
As
I
said,
we're
going
to
be
speaking
with
two
firms
tonight,
the
first
is
gould
evans
from
missouri
and
white
and
smith.
Also,
the
lee
firm
will
also
be
from
missouri
and
the
way
that
we're
doing
this
this
evening
is
so
in
order
for
the
give
the
community,
the
committee
the
most
opportunity
to
listen
and
absorb
most
of
what
you
can
in
terms
of
the
presentation,
we're
going
to
ask
the
consultants
a
series
of
10
questions
and
that
will
be
on
a
rotational
basis
from
our
planning
staff.
B
That
would
like
to
ask
the
the
consultants
to
respond
to
and
also
give
them
a
chance
to
ask
us
any
questions
that
they
may
have
in
terms
of
the
work
that
we
envision
with
them.
So
the
consultant
teams
are,
I
think,
the
first
one
may
be
here.
Is
the
gold
gold
evans
group
available
and
ready
to
go?
B
Yes,
we
are
okay,
so
again
for
the
committee
members
before
we
turn
it
over
to
the
questions
and
just
get
started.
Are
there
any
clarifications
or
things
that
I
said
that
didn't
make
sense
or
does
anybody
else
have
any
questions.
B
B
D
Hello,
my
name
is
brooke
bell
and
I'm
a
senior
planner
with
the
community
development
department
and,
as
brad
said,
we're
going
to
lead
you
through
a
list
of
10
questions,
starting
with
one
from
me
and
then
we'll
be
going
around,
and
some
of
our
other
planners
will
be
asking
you
questions.
D
So
the
first
question
for
gould
evans
is
thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
coal
in
the
cold,
next
unified
development
code
project
and
taking
this
time
this
evening
to
talk
with
us.
Please
introduce
yourself
and
your
team
that
is
here
tonight
as
well,
and
any
background
on
your
firm
that
you
would
like
us
to
know.
E
Well,
I
might
lead
off
my
name's
graeme
smith,
I'm
an
associate
principal
with
gould
evans
and
I
lead
our
planning
studio
or,
as
we
call
it,
the
studio
for
city
design
and
for
the
last
30
plus
years,
we've
been
engaging
communities
in
all
sorts
of
city
building
endeavors,
including
comprehensive
plans.
Urban
design
plans
and
a
mainstay
of
our
work
has
always
been
writing.
Development
codes
and
chris
brewster,
who
you'll
meet
in
a
minute,
leads
that
work
a
little
bit
of
background
about
us.
E
In
addition,
in
those
30
years
that
we've
been
working
on
working
with
communities,
we've
focused
on
those
three
areas
of
interest.
I'll
say
we
use
what
we
consider
to
be
a
design-based
approach
to
all
of
our
work,
and
so
you'll
he'll
he'll
hear
more
about
that
tonight.
E
In
addition
to
those
three
mainstays
of
comprehensive
planning,
urban
design
and
code
work.
Over
the
last
20
years,
we
have
been
engaged
in
on-call
planning
services
for
a
variety
of
communities,
and
we
think
this
is
a
very
important
aspect
of
our
work,
because
not
only
do
we
get
to
craft
codes
for
communities
and
do
planning
work
for
communities,
we
get
to
sit
on
your
side
of
the
table
as
city
staff
and
engage
commissioners
like
you
all
on
this
call
to
make
communities
better
from
that
side
of
the
table
as
well.
E
It's
an
invaluable
tool
for
us
to
learn
about
how
communities
are
using
codes
using
their
existing
codes.
It
also
helps
us
in
a
lot
of
ways,
meet
our
targets
of
really
simplifying
the
regulations,
but
providing
that
flexibility
for
communities
to
achieve
their
vision.
As
much
like
you
have
done
in
your
comprehensive
plan.
In
addition
to
that,
we're
heavily
engaged
in
our
communities
that
we
live
in
and
in
kansas
city
missouri,
in
which
we
office
in
and
so
with
that
a
little
bit
about
myself.
E
I've
been
with
the
with
the
firm
for
just
about
20
years
between
chris
and
I
I'm
the
newbie
at
the
firm.
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
I'll,
say
longevity
on
our
side
and
working
together
and
working
with
the
same
firm
and
have
the
resources
of
a
150
person,
design
firm
with
multiple
offices
across
the
country
that
we
tap
into
those
expertises
and
those
experiences
as
well.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
chris.
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F
I
am
a
planner
and
an
attorney,
so
I
at
least
someone
I
developed
my
passion
for
doing
codes
because
we
were
working
under
a
particularly
difficult
code
in
a
period
of
very
rapid
growth
and
high
stress-
and
I
was
working
with
public
works
in
the
community
development
department
and
we
were
doing
a
code
rewrite
at
that
time
as
well.
F
So
I've
been
on
the
staff
side
of
an
overall
comprehensive
rewrite
and
since
since
coming
to
gould
evans,
I've
been
fortunate
to
continue
public
sector
work,
which
is
what
our
group
loves
and
we
have
a
passion
for
helping
communities,
make
good
decisions
and
that's
what
we
do
think
the
code
is
about
and
and
we
look
forward
to
sharing
more
of
our
approach
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
front
range
team,
member
matt
ashby
to
introduce
himself
and
his
firm.
G
Hey
everybody
thanks
for
having
us,
my
name
is
matt
ashby
and
I'm
a
planner
with
a
firm
called
heirs,
and
we
are
here
on
the
team
to
represent
and
round
out
the
overall
team,
with
skills
in
not
only
urban
planning,
but
also
providing
civil
and
transportation
engineering
as
well
as
economic
development.
Perspective
codes
are
a
huge
factor
in
shaping
the
overall
growth
of
the
community
and
economic
development
issues,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
topic
remains
front
and
center
a
little
bit
of
background
about
me.
G
I've
been
on
the
consulting
side.
Now
for
just
over
six
years,
I
did
spend
15
years
on
the
the
local
government
side
in
in
your
chairs
and
was
planning
director
up
in
cheyenne
for
10
of
those
15
years,
and
I
I
can
pretty
confidently
say
that
I'm
likely
one
of
the
only
people
on
this
interview
panel
or
teams
that
has
been
on
the
receiving
end
of
a
unified
development
code
update.
G
Why
is
this
code
important?
What
are
we
trying
to
achieve,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
skill
to
keep
front
and
center,
because
we're
constantly
communicating
with
our
public
members
of
the
public,
as
well
as
industry,
users,
like
developers
and
elected
officials,
but
making
sure
we're
effectively
communicating
the
logic
behind
the
code
is
vitally
important
to
making
sure
that
it's
successful.
D
Okay
is
if,
if,
if
there's
nothing
further,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
will
charles.
H
Rick
yeah,
my
name
is:
will
charles
I'm
a
planner
too,
with
the
department
and
my
question
for
you
guys
tonight
is
the
request
for
proposal
stated
a
target
targeted
an
incremental
process
for
updating
the
udc
or
the
unified
development
code
is
envisioned.
H
F
I
will
take
that
one
and
let
graham
and
matt
chime
in
I'll
start
with
the
the
to
the
volume
of
information
the
most
important
product
or
deliverable.
We
will
leave
you
with,
and
we
say
this
on
all
of
our
development
codes,
because
we
we
really
mean
it
is
the
table
of
contents.
So
we
start
there.
F
We
start
looking
at
your
current
code,
how
it's
organized,
how
it
works,
how
topics
relate
where
we
can
simplify
and
get
related
things
working
better
together
and
to
get
the
code
in
working
order
with
a
table
of
contents?
That
becomes
our
our
roadmap
for
managing
all
of
the
information
that
you
reference
and
there
will
be
a
lot
of
it
and
and
that's
that
guides
our
work
product.
We
also
think
that's
one
of
the
most
important
products
we
can
leave
you
because
that
you
know
the
code
will
be
something
that's
a
living
document.
F
It
will
need
to
be
amended
over
time
and
the
well
organized
table
of
contents
will
let
you
have
a
very,
very
long
shelf
life
for
the
code
from
there.
We
will
use
a
prioritization
strategy
where
we
start
to
group
topics
similar
topics
together.
We
when
we
get
to
the
end.
F
We
want
this
to
be
a
well
integrated
document,
so
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
be
drafting
sections
in
isolation
that
don't
end
up
communicating
to
one
another,
and
so,
when
we
get
to
the
end,
we
want
that
table
of
contents
to
basically
guide
to
make
sure
we
have
a
well
integrated
code.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
in
the
interim.
We
can't
raise
certain
topics
or
groups
of
topics
to
the
front
burner.
F
We
can't
carve
some
off
that
need
longer
facilitation
and
discussion
with
your
community
and
different
stakeholders,
or
some
that
might
need
to
go
a
little
bit
faster
to
get
to
the
final
point,
but
we're
going
to
still
get
to
the
end
with
a
well
integrated
product.
We
don't
want
the
sections
existing
in
isolation,
so
that
third
level
is
then
figuring
out
the
who,
what
and
when
of
who
we
talk
to.
F
I
think
our
proposals
share
that
we
do
view
public
engagement
on
codes
differently
than
a
typical
planning
project.
It's
about
getting
the
right
information
in
the
right
hands
at
the
right
time
and
not
everyone
needs
to
see
every
detail
of
the
code
and
comb
through
it.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
talking
at
a
very
high
conceptual
level
about
how
we're
implementing
your
plan
with
the
general
public.
F
F
So
those
three
levels
of
information,
kind
of
guide,
how
we
roll
out
an
engagement
process
and
then
the
last
part
is
we
want
to
get
to
the
end
with
no
surprises
so
informing
the
council
and
planning
commission
through
executive
summaries
of
of
what
sections
are
being
updated
and
why
another
tool
we've
grown
to
use
that
builds
off.
That
table
of
contents
is
what's
called
a
section
map
where
we'll
essentially
take
anything.
That's
in
your
current
code
and
and
marry
it
over
just
map
the
sections
and
then
give
brief
comments
about.
F
What's
changing
and
why
and
the
reason
we
do,
that
is
we're
often
faced
with
people
that
are
introduced
to
something
we're
wanting
to
adopt.
They
think
it's
being
invented
out
of
whole
cloth.
They
may
not
realize
that
your
community
has
had
standards
on
this
topic
for
for
years
and
we're
actually
reducing
them
or
improving
them
in
some
way.
So
that's
a
an
overall
picture
of
how
we
approach
the
multitude
of
different
information
that
we're
going
to
encounter
and
I'll
let
matt
and
graham
chime
in
on
anything
else.
G
Yeah,
I
guess
I
would
add
for
me
it
is
the
adoption
ordinance
is
it's
kind
of
the
the
one
really
important
piece.
So
my
role
on
the
team
is
really
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
process
as
it's
moving
forward
to
get
you
through
to
that
adoption
and
implementation
stage.
So,
while
chris
and
graham
are
juggling
the
the
day-to-day
ins
and
outs
of
drafting
the
code
and
and
working
through
all
of
the
nuances.
G
With
that,
my
role
on
the
team
is
actually
to
kind
of
stand
back
a
little
bit
and
watch
the
process
from
a
little
bit
of
a
distance
and
making
sure
that,
as
we
are
approaching,
that
end
state
where
this
thing
is
becoming
real
and
it
could
be
something
that
is
influencing
the
built
environment
for
years
to
come,
that
we're
anticipating
any
concerns
or
issues
that
might
be
coming
up
and
really
monitoring
that
political
side,
so
that
we
have
the
ability
to
get
this
project
across
the
finish
line.
I
Hello,
my
name
is
john
vobriel,
I'm
a
senior
long-range
planner
with
the
community
development
department.
My
question
is
the
rfp
asked
for
a
designated
facilitator
for
public
meetings
who,
on
your
team,
will
fulfill
this
role.
What
is
their
approach
and
experience
in
discussing
difficult
and
diverse
land
use
opinions
and
building
consensus.
F
However,
I
would
be
the
project
manager
doing
the
day-to-day
work
and
I
think,
you've
kind
of
heard
a
little
bit
and
have
some
hints
of
who
our
lead
facilitator
is,
and
it
would
be
matt
because
of
his
experience
as
a
past
director
and
managing
one
of
these,
and
we
would
want
to
lean
on
his
skills
and
messaging
very
heavily.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him
for
some
specifics.
G
Yeah
again,
you
know,
having
been
through
this
experience
firsthand
in
a
community
that
is
maybe
could
be
described
as
somewhat
hostile
to
the
planning
principles,
absolutely
comfortable
in
the
hot
seat.
G
You
know
the
the
key
thing
that
we
like
to
do
is
make
sure
to
dig
down
to
the
root
of
what
the
individual
concerns
are.
You
know
what
we
do
is
really
approach
each
group
or
audience
in
a
way
that
identifies
what
their
biggest
concerns
are
and
to
be
able
to
understand.
G
Really
what
motivates
them
in
terms
of
what
their
drivers
are.
You
know
for
developers,
there's
probably
a
financial
interest
density
and
really
looking
at
that
bottom
line,
and
that's
not
inherently
a
good
or
bad
thing.
I
think
we
need
to
remember
not
to
attach
a
good
or
bad
label
to
individuals
values,
but
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
we
hear
them
and
that
we're
able
to
adequately
and
accurately
address
their
questions
and
concerns
and
how
the
code
might
implement
or
influence
their
lives
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
F
We
do
think
it
will
be
very
important
to
in
an
engagement
strategy
up
front,
to
begin
to
establish
the
parameters
for
those
different
groups
that
we
will
talk
to
which
groups
are
we
talking
to
at
a
very
high
conceptual
level
and
and
in
which
case
we're
often
reinforcing
the
comprehensive
plan?
You
know
you're,
it's
a
your
plan
is
a
little
bit
old,
but
not
old
enough.
F
That
people
would
be
thinking
of
changing
policies
yet
so
we
are
doing
a
code
to
implement
all
the
policies
that
were
established
so
that
high
level
group
would
be
communicated
in
within
that
way,
and
different
strategies
and
different
tools
would
be
used
versus
the
people
involved
in
a
focus
group
might
be
really
pouring
over
some
details
in
the
weeds
and
and
we'd
have
to
be
looking
at.
You
know,
options
and
approaches
and
weighing
the
pros
and
cons
of
different
options
and
approaches
with
those
groups.
G
Yeah,
I
would
tag
onto
that
a
little
bit.
This
process
is
probably
one
of
the
most
educational
processes
that
any
of
us
will
go
through
in
the
planning
realm.
It
really
does
cause
you
to
stand
back
and
say:
why
are
we
doing
this?
Why
do
we
have
a
10
foot
setback?
Is
there
a
purpose
or
reason
that
is
driving?
You
know
those
dimensional
standards
and
being
able
to
be
equipped
and
also
help
staff
be
equipped
to
answer
those
questions.
As
far
as
why
are
you
regulating
this?
G
G
E
And
I
I
might
quickly
just
add
matt
said
something
very
important
there
and
what
you
guys
are
on
top
of
already
from
what
we've
seen
the
things
that
you've
produced
is
the
education
component
building
on
the
things
that
you
need
to
get
the
word
out
there
about
what
the
code
does
and
what
it
doesn't.
Do.
The
assessment
you've
already
done
on
your
own
code
trying
to
identify
those
issues
and
challenges
that
you're
having
today.
E
G
Yeah,
I
would
just
add
on
to
that.
The
videos
are
great
as
far
as
being
a
good
way
to
communicate
with
the
general
public
one
of
our
recent
projects.
We
actually
had
the
city
manager,
who
is
an
interesting
character
in
and
of
himself,
but
he
ended
up
running
a
goldilocks
skit
on
video,
where
he
was
talking
about
missing
middle
housing
so
being
able
to
reach
people
where
they're
at
and
you
know,
kind
of
kind
of
make
things
a
little
bit
more
fun
than
they
might
otherwise
be
in
a
development
code.
I
Communicate
now
to
bat
eric
sampson.
A
Hi,
I'm
eric's.
Excuse
me
eric
sampson
planner,
two
with
community
development,
so
the
city
is
building
a
project
web
page
using
the
bang
the
table
platform.
The
rfp
requires
a
selected
consultant
to
provide
weekly
updates,
graphics
and
other
information
to
keep
the
project
website
current
and
the
public
engaged.
A
F
Thanks
eric,
that
will
be
a
group
effort
on
who
will
provide
the
content,
but
we'll
be
looking
to
matt
and
his
group
to
be
the
the
clearinghouse
for
all
of
that,
and
I
think
that
the
types
the
different
types
of
content
we
would
expect
on
a
weekly
basis
would
be
it's
going
to
be
something
we
would
need
to
map
out
in
the
engagement
process.
F
I
will
tell
you,
though,
from
my
perspective,
there
will
be
periods
of
times
where
we
need
to
go
a
little
bit
silent
to
be
working
on
the
minutia
of
how
all
the
code
comes
together.
So
I
I
think,
they're
having
that
again
those
three
levels
of
communication
we're
going
to
want
to
make
sure
our
high
level
conceptual
ideas
are
spaced
out
within
that
time
period.
So
we
can
be
updating
people
on
what's
going
on.
F
We
will
need
to
make
sure
that
our
specific
issues
that
we're
engaging
with
focus
groups
are
set
up
in
logical
places
throughout
the
project,
so
we
can
be
setting
up
those
updates
periodically
and
then
some
some
weeks
it
might
just
be.
We've
we've
been
working
on
updating
the
wireless
communications
facilities,
section
of
the
the
plan
and
it's
highly
technical
and
we
aren't
making
substantive
changes,
but
we're
just
trying
to
get
it
to
work
better
and
that
might
be
an
update
for
for
a
week
and
it
might
be
fairly
boring
and
dry.
F
Not
everything
in
the
code
is
really
exciting,
but
we'll
try
to
make
it
so
with
matt's
help
with
that
matt
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
on
some
of
the
strategies.
You've
used
to
spice
things
up.
G
G
G
As
chris
mentioned,
we
will
have
items
that
will
be
a
little
bit
more
more
substantive.
That
will
have
engagement,
questions
and
discussion,
but
we
can
definitely
build
some
of
those
slower
weeks
out
in
advance
so
that
they're,
essentially
asking
questions
or
exploring
topics
that
we
know
are
of
interest
to
the
the
community,
including
things
like
adus
fencing
standards.
You've
got
the
videos
that
you,
as
staff
have
done.
G
We
would
produce
that
internally
in
our
shop
working
with
your
city,
pio
or
communications
office,
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
any
standards
that
you
have
but
really
working
to
provide
video
intros
to
key
issues
and
then
engaging
through
key
questions
and
discussion
opportunities
through
the
bang.
The
table
format.
E
I
might
just
add
that
a
couple
of
the
things
that
matt
touched
on,
as
maybe
an
ex
specific
example
as
on
past
projects,
we've
worked
on
with
codes
we
can
actually
create.
Those
video
tours
is
something
that
we
put
as
an
example
into
our
proposal,
where,
if
people
can't
attend
a
tour
in
person,
we
can
video
those
and
put
those
online
or
even
create
the
create
the
tour
virtually
and
put
that
online,
so
that
people
can
participate
through
that
method
as
well.
E
So
there's
all
kinds
of
opportunities
to
get
messages
out
there
and
allow
participation
through
the
through
the
website
itself.
And
then
the
final
thing
I
would
add
is
I
think,
we've
only
had
to
use
them
a
couple
times,
maybe
on
a
code
project,
but
we
do
have
an
in-house
graphic
design
group
that
could
support
matt
and
his
team
as
they
put
that
put
that
information
in
those
graphics
together.
So.
A
All
right,
thanks
john,
I
think
it's
back
to
you,
I'm
not
mistaken.
I
F
F
Your
plan
gives
great
guidance
on
what
needs
to
be
done
in
certain
areas.
The
the
having
it
not
be
a
land
use
base
and
having
it
be.
A
neighborhood
district
based
plan
is
a
great
filter
to
be
again
talking
about
some
of
those
issues,
and
when
we
turn
to
your
code,
it
begins
to
look
like
it's
set
up
very
well
for
that
with
the
r1
r2
and
r3,
and
with
each
of
those
having
subsets
of
that,
and
so
we
would
see
that
structure
is
becoming
the
key
to
missing
middle
housing.
F
When
we
go
to
look
at
what
those
standards
actually
do,
that's
where
things
get
a
little
murky
and
messy
and
we're
losing
focus
on
what
we're
trying
to
achieve.
So
we
would
very
much
see
a
building
type
approach,
really
simplifying
your
current
standards.
We
think
you
have
far
too
many
residential
standards
that
are
making
distinctions
without
real,
meaningful
differences
back
to
matt's
question
of.
Why
are
we
regulating
this,
and
so
we
would
start
there
by
looking
at
housing
types.
F
Is
urban
design
place,
making
the
only
the
only
reason
lots
of
different
things,
whether
it's
different
housing
types,
different
scales
of
buildings,
different
uses,
the
only
reason
they
they
can
mix
compatibly
is
because
there's
a
great
place,
a
great
public
realm
there,
and
so
that's
the
other
part
where
we
focus
on
you
know.
I
think
the
question
is
hinting
at
hey
if
we're
expanding
into
areas
or
we're
adding
new
types,
that's
going
to
create
stress
and
pressure
on
a
particular
area,
which
it
absolutely
will.
F
So
the
conversation
needs
to
be
on
focused
on
what
are
the
the
key.
The
fewest
key
things
that
make
this
place
great,
whether
it's
frontages
that
relate
to
the
public
realm,
whether
it's
the
design
of
the
streetscape
itself
or
whether
it's
some
characteristics
of
the
buildings
and
let's
focus
on
those
standards,
and
then
people
open
up
to
having
more
things
mix
in.
So
I
think
that's
a
big
picture
view
of
how
we
approach
them.
F
I
think
our
standards
can
kind
of
get
too
complex
too
quickly.
If
we
don't
take
a
step
back
and
go,
why
would
we
even
want
to
mix
things
to
begin
with?
What
are
we
trying
to
achieve?
I
I
think
that
hits
on
on
what
the
essence
of
that
question
was,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
redirect.
If
not
matt,
do
you
have
anything
to
add
or
graham
I
I.
G
We
want
to
regulate
the
fewest
key
components
that
we
can
to
make
a
great
place,
and
I
think
that
is
really
important
from
a
implementation
standpoint
that
you're
not
getting
overly
wrapped
up
in
what
the
code
says,
but
you're
making
sure
that
you
do
those
key
things
really
really
well,
and
I
I
think
that
makes
it
easier
from
an
implementation
standpoint
long
range
when
you
think
about
staffing
you're,
going
to
have
turnover
you're
going
to
have
new
staff
members
that
come
into
this
process
and
for
them
to
understand
the
purpose
behind
the
code
having
the
fewest
key
elements,
regulated,
simplifies
and
makes
it
so
that
you're
achieving
your
objectives
long
term,
not
just
with
the
crew.
G
That's
on
the
call
today,
but
with
the
planners
that
come
in
years
from
now
and
have
to
implement
that
code
as
well,
so
that
that's
just
one
item
that
caught
my
ear
with
the
implementers
perspective.
You
know
on
on
my
thought.
I
Process,
graham
you're,
muted.
E
You
would
think
after
a
year
and
a
half
we
would
figure
this
out,
but
apparently
I
haven't
so
I
apologize
for
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
real
quickly
that
at
the
top
of
the
at
the
top
of
the
discussion,
I
mentioned
that
we
use
a
design-based
approach
and
chris
mentioned
in
there
the
use
of
building
types
and
different
typologies,
whether
it's
street
types
or
open
space
types
and
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
think
this
really
achieves
in
this
type
of
a
process,
and
one
is
as
matt
alluded
to
and
chris
both
is
the
simplicity.
E
E
The
other
thing
it
allows
us
to
do
is
to
very
simply
show
them
what
all
this
means,
and
so
through
that
illustration,
and
through
those
discussions
of
the
of
the
regulations,
but
in
that
design
based
or
that
typology-based
approach,
it's
really
a
visual
review
of
those
things
instead
of
just
numbers
and
charts
and
tables,
and
things
like
that
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
G
And,
graham
I
I
guess,
I'm
I'm
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
guess
that
you
all
are
going
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
public
engagement
and
things
maybe
further,
but
in
case
you
don't
what
graham
had
alluded
to
a
little
bit.
Was
this
idea
of
taking
community
tours
one
of
the
things
that
is
so
instructive
for
us
is
being
able
to
get
not
only
this
committee?
G
That's
on
this
call,
but
other
elected
officials
planning
commissioners,
your
technical
staff,
engineers,
public
works
parks,
folks
out
into
neighborhoods,
so
that
we're
not
just
talking
about
abstract
numbers,
we're
actually
experiencing
places
and
being
able
to
to
sense
and
feel
what
some
of
these
regulations
actually
translate
into
in
the
real
world.
And
so
historically,
we've
done
in-person
tours.
G
We've
toured
a
number
of
different
developments
in
the
denver
metro
area
and
along
the
front
range,
and
you
know
it.
It
becomes
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
talk
with
different
industry
experts
and
really
learn
together
about
what
the
code
means
and
how
we,
you
know,
implement
an
idea
like
missing
middle
housing.
G
That
can
really
turn
very
academic
very
quickly.
But
if
we're
actually
out
experiencing
those
places,
we
have
the
ability
to
touch
and
feel
and
understand
what
those
places
are
all
about,
and
I
guess
one
other
thing
that
I
didn't
mention
during
the
earlier
question.
On
facilitation
we
like
to
end
those
tours
at
a
local
brewery
or
someplace.
That
is
more
of
a
social
atmosphere,
so
that
we
can
have
planners
sitting
across
the
table
from
developers
having
a
beer
and
just
getting
to
know
one
another
and
talk
about
the
things
that
you
saw
during
the
tour.
G
It
becomes
a
really
a
community
building
exercise
in
addition
to
that
educational
component.
So
that's
something
that
we
build
into
all
of
our
processes
and
and
feel
it's
really
important
to
helping
explore
some
of
these
new
types
of
concepts
like
mixed
use
and
missing
middle.
F
And
just
to
give
matt's
point
on
on
measuring
and
experiencing
a
practical
image,
I've
measured
walked
off
paced
off
my
neighborhood,
my
street,
my
porch
many
times
over
and
in
fact,
was
just
out
doing
it
again
this
week
to
re-verify
things
that
I
thought
I
knew
and
my
wife
said
it
looked
like
all
the
neighbors
think
I'm
taking
a
field
sobriety
test
as
I'm
walking
up
and
down
the
street
with
my
pacing
my
feet,
one
in
front
of
another,
but
you
do
need
to
you
need.
F
We
need
to
check
ourselves
on
details
like
that
and
make
sure
we
understand
what
the
three-dimensional
impacts
of
these
numbers
and
things
that
we're
writing
on
paper
are.
D
Well,
I
think
I
have
the
next
question,
but
before
I
ask
it,
this
is
brooke
again.
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
look
at
our
time
and
actually
we
are
like
perfectly
on
time.
D
D
You
know
15
minutes
for
some
q,
a
both
from
our
our
steering
committee,
and
perhaps
you
guys,
but
so
we're
doing
all
right
as
long
as
we
keep
moving
forward
at
this
space.
D
F
Yes,
they
will
be.
We
find
that's
a
great
tool
to
begin
to
get
people
to
do
what
just
what
we
discussed
to
look
at
their
community
with
a
more
critical
eye,
whether
that's
good
or
whether
that's
bad,
whether
it's
patterns
we
want
to
reinforce
or
whether
it's
things
that
might
be
lacking,
that
we
want
to
change
so
analyzing
existing
housing
types,
building
types,
whether
it's
residential
or
commercial,
will
absolutely
be
part
of
it.
I
think,
as
far
as
age
and
condition,
I
don't
know
that
we
would
go
into
that
great
of
detail.
F
Those
types
of
things
are
usually
done
when
we're
looking
more
towards
redevelopment
policies
or
things
that
would
be
outside
of
this
code
unless
I'm
misinterpreting
that,
but
usually
what
we're
faced
with
on
age
and
conditions
are
the
first
kickback
when
we
use
existing
older
places
in
a
community
as
a
model
for
new
development.
Is
yes,
but
no
one
builds
that
way
anymore.
F
So
what
we
would
want
to
do
is
we
would
want
to
take
some
of
those
older
things
and
pattern
them
off
of
new
development
in
in
the
front
range
area
that
are
absolutely
reflecting.
Some
of
those
same
or
older
patterns
and
then
talk
about
how
why
we
may
want
to
do
it,
how
where
some
of
those
would
fit
in
if
you
have
areas
that
are
a
a
concentration
of
either
declining
housing,
stock
or
olding
housing.
F
D
H
H
Eight,
oh
all,
right!
Well
then
it
is
me
all
right:
how
will
you
manage
the
creation
or
potential
creation
of
non-performing
lots
during
the
update
process.
F
Yes,
good
question
whether
it
came
from
john
or
will
that's
a
great
question:
that's
always
a
touchy
thing.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
try
to
do
first
off
is
to
not
disrupt
existing
zoning
to
a
great
extent,
so
understanding
your
current
zoning
map
will
be
a
key
key
thing.
We
want
to
really
understand
to
make
sure
anything.
That's
changing
in
those
districts
that
are
widely
used
has
looked
at
with
greater
scrutiny.
F
F
We
would
look
to
try
to
do
that
in
some
of
your
least
used
zoning
districts
so,
for
an
example,
might
be
if
we
think
you're.
I
might
get
the
nomenclature
wrong
here,
but
your
r2b
was
widely
used,
but
your
r2a
wasn't.
Those
are
fairly
comparable
districts
that
might
have
a
similar
intent.
We
would
pick
the
one.
That's
mapped
the
least,
to
go
in
influence
where
we
want
to
put
the
greatest
changes.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
a
planner's
punch.
Let's
say
like:
oh
we're
not
changing
anything.
This
is
just
gonna.
F
It's
gonna
be
changed
later
through
a
a
process
where
someone
might
have
to
rezone
to
it,
but
it's
also
respecting
that
there's
lots
of
things
on
the
ground
that
are
invested
in
that
we
don't
want
to
change.
That
doesn't
mean
that
nothing
will
change
for
existing
zoning
years.
It
will
and
to
the
extent
we
we
create
non-conformances.
We
have
to
be
pretty
up
front
and
and
careful
about
it
going
with
eyes
wide
open.
F
The
last
thing
I
would
say
on
that
is:
we
have
used
the
strategy
in
some
of
our
recent
codes
and-
and
this
came
up
in
in
brighton
specifically
of
the
concept
called
the
benign
non-conformance.
So
at
the
time
of
rezoning
to
certain
things,
if
you
have
a
widespread
use
or
building
pattern
in
the
area,
that's
not
in
the
new
district,
but
in
that
particular
application
of
it
wouldn't
cause
any
problems.
You
can
grant
them
sort
of
greater
grandfather
status
than
they
would
just
under
your
non-conforming
situation.
F
So
we
as
planners
often
say
like.
Oh,
don't
worry,
you
know
you're
a
non-conforming
use.
You
don't
need
to
worry
about
it,
but
but
people
do
and
and
sometimes
legitimately,
because
there
might
be
some
reinvestment
issues
and
then
other
times
it
might
be
exaggerated.
We're
often
it's
often
thrown
back
at
us
that,
oh
now,
I
can't
insure
anything
because
I'm
non-conforming,
that's
not
exactly
true
either.
So
I
think,
having
that
conversation
outside
of
the
immediate
decision
is
important.
H
I
Yes,
how
many
public
meetings
or
steering
committee
meetings
are
you
willing
to
commit
to
within
your
proposed
budget?
Do
you
envision
any
in-person
meetings
or
simply
are
they
going
to
be
digital
format,
meetings.
F
We
envision
and
we
can't
wait
to
do
in-person
meetings.
I
will
say
that
right
up
front
and
those,
although
those
are
the
ones
we
do,
have
to
be
careful
and
and
limit
them,
but
we
can't
wait
to
get
back
and
be
doing
more
of
those.
The
reason
we
would
limit
them
is
presentation,
our
cost
isn't
the
meeting
itself
or
the
time
it's
preparing
the
presentation,
meal,
presentation,
material,
it's
preparing
with
staff,
and
our
stakeholder
committee
of
you
know
how
we
want
to
map
out
that
particular
meeting.
F
So
I
think,
having
one
of
those
monthly
is
probably-
and
I'm
here-
I'm
talking
about
just
general
engagement
meetings-
is
probably
a
good
benchmark
to
go
by
if
it's,
if
it's
staff
and
stakeholder
meetings
or
updates
to
debrief
planning
commission
on
where
we've
been
those
types
of
things,
are
a
little
easier
to
do,
and
we
frequently
do
more
or
add
on
as
many
of
those
all.
F
That
being
said,
this
type
of
meeting
that
we've
become
accustomed
to
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
certainly
makes
us
far
more
accessible
than
we
used
to
be,
and
we're
willing
to
do
as
many
of
these
that
get
us
to
the
end
result
on
the
project,
and
I
think,
if
you
talk
to
any
of
our
our
past
clients,
you'll
hear
that
as
well,
that
we
will
go
to
great
lengths
to
make
sure
we
hit
hit
the
the
end
mark
on
these.
A
All
right
so
explain
how
you
will
model
difficult
land
use
concepts
such
as
bulk
plane
regulations
in
a
way
that
is
understandable
to
a
person
just
learning
about
planning
and
zoning
concepts.
F
Yeah
that
that's
a
really
good
question-
and
I
might
stumble
on
this
one-
because
I'm
I'm
the
simplicity
guy,
I'm
always
trying
to
simplify
code.
So
I
would
go
back
to
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
and
what
we've
talked
about
in
a
lot
of
this
discussion
tonight
is
educate.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
What's
important
so
with
both
planes?
F
It's
either
it's
one
of
two
things:
either
that
particular
building
or
adjacency
is
creating
some
actual
impacts
on
the
adjacent
site,
whether
it's
shadows
or
views,
or
things
like
that.
F
So
that's
one
thing
to
to
visualize
and
illustrate
and
keeping
it
as
simple
as
possible,
and
but
connecting
it
to
real
world
examples,
so
showing
someone
where
there
might
be
a
bad
example
of
it
versus
showing
someone
where
there
might
be
a
better
example
where
either
the
the
building
was
stepped
back
or
had
a
different
relationship
to
the
to
the
side
or
whatever
lot
line.
F
You're
dealing
with
the
second
thing
that
those
regulations
are
often
doing
is
trying
to
scale
a
building
appropriately
to
his
site,
in
other
words,
that
just
the
idea
of
it's,
it
seems
too
large
to
me,
and
sometimes
that's
well.
That
was
because
you're
it
was
changed
and
you're
not
used
to
it.
So
I
think
that
one's
a
little
bit
harder
to
deal
with
that
one.
F
We
need
to
understand
what
your
plan
is
saying
and
where
your
community
is
calling
for
more
intense
development
and
in
some
of
those
areas
we
might
be
in
a
situation
where
we're
saying
the
bulk
plane
either
needs
to
go
away
or
needs
to
be
larger
or
we
we
don't
care
about
that
issue
as
much
in
this
circumstance,
because
we're
getting
these
other
benefits
out
of
it.
F
G
Yeah,
I
would
just
add
on
you
know
when
I
was
a
planning
director
and
we
were
tackling
some
of
these
more
complex
issues.
Having
the
illustrations
was
essential
to
be
able
to
help
in
getting
everybody.
G
On
the
same
page,
we
had
to
argue
with
our
city
attorney
to
enable
us
to
be
able
to
use
some
of
those
graphics,
because
you
know
the
attorneys
they
want
to
have
everything
written,
and
you
know
lengthy
paragraphs
that
describe
exactly
what
it
is
they're
talking
about
in
words
they're,
not
as
comfortable
with
the
illustrations,
and
what
these
these
guys,
through
their
graphic
design
shop,
were
able
to
provide
were
those
illustrations
to
help
simply
communicate
the
essence
of
the
code
in
a
way
that
is
accessible
to
folks
that
are
new
to
planning,
as
well
as
folks
that
have
been
in
the
the
profession
for
years.
F
That
brings
up
a
good
point
as
well.
I
think
we
will
shift
gears
when
we're
doing
graphics
and
material
for
the
engagement
or
educating
or
informing,
why
we're
doing
something
versus
the
graphics
that
will
go
in
the
code,
so
the
graphics
that
will
go
in
the
code
will
put
a
finer
tooth
comb
to
them,
but-
and
they
also
may
be
more
more
simple
and
basic.
F
The
graphics
that
exist
outside
as
an
educational
tool
can
be
more
exemplary
or
more
show
more
details
that
aren't
part
of
that
specific
regulation
we're
getting
at
and
then
some
of
those
things
can
live
on
after
the
code
is
written.
One
of
the
communities
where
the
on-call
planners
for
were
were
now.
We
did,
they
had
a
very
controversial
neighborhood
design
debate
going
on.
F
They
were,
they
were
a
part
of
our
metropolitan
area
that
was
just
ripe
for
the
tear
down
rebuild
housing,
their
their
location
was
prime,
their
housing
stock
was
old,
and
so
it
was
happening.
So
we
went
through
a
long,
drawn-out
and
sometimes
bloody,
facilitated
discussion
with
the
public
and
developers
on
where
to
land
on
some
neighborhood
design
standards,
and
then,
when
we
did
that,
as
graham
mentioned
too,
we
were
stuck
implementing
the
the
code
we
drafted.
F
So
since
then,
we've
started
creating
what
we
call
neighborhood
design
breach
where,
as
as
the
building
official-
and
I
encounter
interpretations
of
things
that
weren't
situations
that
weren't
identified
in
this
code,
we
we
can
develop
a
series
of
graphics
that
supplement
that.
So
there
are
these
one
or
two
page
design
briefs
that
talk
about
how
you
do
things
in
a
certain
way,
so
different
graphics
for
different
types
of
deliverables.
I
think,
would
be
important
in
that
regard
as
well.
G
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
thing
that
I
appreciated
as
a
planning
director
was
having
and
actually,
if
you
didn't
catch,
that
gould
evans
did
my
code.
When
I
was
planning
director
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
was
in
explaining
the
code.
G
We
had
a
sense
that
there
were
a
number
of
hot
topics
that
we
encountered
frequently
with
the
community,
and
so
these
guys
actually
created
a
series
of
how-to
sheets
for
us
to
to
basically
help
the
counter
staff
be
able
to
explain,
frequently
encountered
issues
just
making
it
easier
for
us,
as
as
planners
to
roll
out
the
code
and
and
make
it
accessible
and
understandable
to
the
community.
A
All
right,
thanks
brooke,
I
think
you
got
the
last
one.
D
Yes,
so
we
are
on
question
number
10.,
the
last
question
and
we're
doing
pretty
good
on
time,
which
is
great
so
the
last
question
and
then
we'll
follow
it
up
with
questions
from
steering
committee
members.
But
the
last
question
that
we
have
is:
how
will
you
modernize
the
current
unified
development
code.
F
Let
me
think
on
that,
for
a
second
here
modernize
is
a
tricky
word.
I
think
what
we
will
do.
I
think
our
goal
is
to
implement
your
plan,
whether
that
means
modernize
or
whether
that
means
be
more
direct,
whether
that
means
simplify
whether
that
means
expand
is
to
be
determined.
I
think,
through
the
first
few
months
of
the
process
we
gould
evans.
F
In
our
code
practice
we've
been
reading
codes
for
25
years
in
both
graham
and
I
and
we've
accumulated
all
of
the
different
strategies,
and
so
we
do
find
ourselves
to
be
pretty
good
copycats,
taking
the
best
of
things
that
are
new,
but
working
them
into
a
practical
way,
because
we
know
how
the
day-to-day
inner
workings
of
a
planning
department
planning
staff
works.
So
that's
kind
of
why
I
hesitated
on
modernize.
We
don't
necessarily
want
to
throw
everything
out.
We
need
to
make
sure
your
system
still
keeps
working
the
way
it
does.
F
With
that,
I
would
say
a
community
of
with
a
small
built
out
footprint.
Your
code
is
probably
far
too
complex.
There's
a
lot
of
words
in
there
that
I
think
if
our
our
target
might
want,
it
might
be
50,
let's
cut
50
of
the
words
and
and
and
maybe
50
of
the
districts,
as
I
mentioned,
with
their
your
residential
districts
and
what
you
have
going
on
and
make
sure
that
anytime,
we
make
a
distinction,
it's
with
an
intent
to
do
something.
F
Distinct,
we
don't
want
to
have
the
code
just
become
a
collection
of
standards.
We
want
it
to
be
a
tool
on
how
you
build
your
community
and
why
so?
In
that
regard,
I
think
it's
no
secret
form-based
codes
have
taught
planners
a
great
deal
on
how
to
modernize,
and
we
love
using
all
of
those
tools
at
our
disposal.
F
However,
we
to
matt's
point
earlier:
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
it
in
a
very
simple
and
intuitive
way.
That's
understood
by
the
community,
that's
impacted
by
these
codes,
it's
understood
by
developers
who
use
them
and
it's
understood
easily
by
staff.
It
has
to
implement
it
and
it
has
to
deal
with
the
difficult
questions
at
the
counter.
E
Yeah,
I
guess
I
would
just
reiterate
chris's
point
that
your
community
has
defined
its
vision
for
the
future
and
it's
defined
the
types
of
places
that
you
want
to
create
in
your
community
through
the
neighborhood
structure
and
so
the
modernization
or
bringing
your
code
current
really
should
target
on.
How
do
we
create
those
places?
What
are
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
in
the
zoning
code
that
we
need
to
create
those
places?
It's
not
the
code.
That's
I
forget
how
old
your
code
is
right
now,
but
it's
not
the
code
that
created
the
community.
E
B
Right,
as
brook
mentioned,
gentlemen,
that's
the
conclusion
of
our
formal
questions.
So
at
this
point
I
would
ask
the
members
of
the
steering
committee
if
there
are
any
questions
that
you
may
have
particularly
ones
that
you
maybe
want
to
amplify
on
in
terms
of
some
of
the
answers
or
issues
or
areas
that
may
not
have
been
addressed.
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
time
for
that,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
leave
time
for
chris
matt
and
graham
to
ask
us
questions
as
well.
So
take
it
away.
A
F
Environmental
sustainability
is
a
very
multi-faceted
issue.
Let's
say
that
so
we
could
be
dealing
with,
particularly
in
a
built
out
community.
F
Some
of
your
most
sustainable
things
you
can
do
would
be
to
do
the
most
you
can
with
your
existing
buildings.
So
there's
an
environmental
aspect
of
promoting
reuse
of
existing
buildings.
To
the
greatest
extent,
we
can
there's
an
environmental
aspect
to
making
sure
buildings
are
built
in
an
energy
efficient
way.
That's
often
a
difficult
topic
to
regulate,
but
we're
often
in
the
mode
of
making
sure
we
don't
have
any
regulations
that
are
impeding
that,
and
here
I'm
talking
about
green
building
practices
or
building
science
practices.
F
That
are
our
architects
in
our
firm,
keep
us
very
in
informed
on
some
of
those
may
or
may
not
be
marketable
right
now,
and
we
don't.
We
want
to
hesitate
to
regulate
for
those,
but
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
there
aren't
any
impediments
to
someone
that
wants
to
do
it
and
wants
to
make
that
investment.
So
that's
kind
of
dealing
more
with
the
building.
The
second
big
issue
I
think
we
encounter
is
storm
water
and
and
landscape
elements.
F
In
a
in
an
arid
community
such
as
yours,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
on
water
conservation
and
the
council
of
governments
is
doing
great
work
with
the
waterwise
program,
that's
informing
landscape
codes
and
how
we
make
sure
any
landscape
provisions
that
we
were
are
putting
in
a
will
survive
in
the
front
range
climate
and
b
are
being
planted
and
designed
in
a
way
that
maximizes
water
efficiency
and
then
see
how
do
we?
How
do
we
manage
the
runoff
impacts
of
that?
So
those
are
some
key
sustainable
issues.
F
I
think
the
other
one
that
planners
always
are
advocating,
maybe
not
always
from
a
sustainability
standpoint,
but
from
a
quality
life
standpoint
is
walkability
and
transportation
options.
Almost.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
done
a
code
at
google
evans
that
hasn't
been
pushing
the
envelope
in
that
direction,
and
I
think
it's
always
good
to
remember
that.
There's
a
there's,
a
big
environmental
impact
on
on
the
footprint
we
leave
on
on
transportation
as
well.
F
So
those
would
be
my
my
three
big
issues:
the
buildings
and
energy
use
themselves,
landscape,
site
design
and
water
use
and
then
transportation
if
I've
missed
any.
Please
fill
in
or
matt
and
graham,
please
feel
free
to
elaborate.
G
Yeah
chris,
I
I
would
just
reiterate
the
fact
that
ayers
does
bring
along
our
civil
engineering
team,
as
well
as
our
transportation
planning
folks
to
be
able
to
have
those
conversations
with
those
other
allied
professions,
because
we
as
a
planning
group,
can
come
up
with
a
great
solution
and
have
a
great
idea,
but
in
order
to
make
sure
that
it
it
meets
the
technical
needs.
G
E
And
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
in
a
lot
of
ways
it's
leveraging.
I
think
one
of
the
key
points
that
we'll
want
to
continue
to
work
through
with
you
all
is
leveraging
the
things
that
you're
already
doing
in
terms
of
using
your
existing
infrastructure
systems
to
support
and
since
we're
all
among
friends
here
I'll
use
the
density
word,
but
to
support
density
where
it's
appropriate,
and
not
just
for
density's
sake,
but
to
leverage
your
light.
E
G
Yeah
that
you
know
looking
at
the
issue
of
sustainability
and
density
that
comes
right
down
to
the
question
of
accessory
dwelling
units.
It's
amazing
how
much
of
a
environmental
solution
that
one
opportunity
is
but
oftentimes
it
doesn't
come
down
to
a
zoning
question.
It
comes
down
to
a
utilities.
G
Question
are
the
accessory
dwelling
units
charge
tap
fees,
system,
development
fees
as
an
extra
unit,
even
though
they're
really
not
adding
a
significant
additional
burden
on
to
the
overall
utility
system
so
being
able
to
speak
in
those
terms
and
understand
those
issues
on
that
technical
side,
I
think,
is-
is
critical
to
being
able
to
advance
some
of
those
more
sustainable
options.
B
F
Yes,
right
now
we're
working
with
the
city
of
greeley.
That
project
should
be
wrapping
up
in
the
next
sometime
over
the
summer.
They
have
targeted
for
adoption
in
september
september
or
october
for
to
go
through
adoption,
so
greeley
and
brighton
are
pr.
Are
our
most
comparable?
We've
done
several
other
planning
projects
in
the
front
range
in
the
in
the
metropolitan
area
as
well,
graham
or
matt.
Correct
me.
F
If
I'm
missing
well
cheyenne,
that's
it's
dated
now
to
2006
through
eight
was
when
we
were
working
on
that
project.
I
can't
recall
if
there
are
others
from
our.
G
G
Yeah
we've
done
some
updates
for
durango
we're
currently
working
on
a
height
limit
update
in
downtown
estes
park,
which
I
think
obviously
is,
is
a
issue
that
people
are
very
value
driven.
So
you
know
that's
a
definite
conversation
between
folks
that
say:
hey.
We
need
to
increase
heights
and
other
folks.
That
say
I
liked
it
the
way
it
was
when
I
got
here.
E
Yeah,
we've
we've
completed
a
sign
code,
update
for
evans,
colorado
and
working
with
matt
and
his
team
on
their
comprehensive
plan,
update
as
well,
and
then
we've
also
talked
to
them
about
updating
their
and
or
creating
an
adu
ordinance
for
them
as
well.
E
We
haven't
started
that,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
on
their
books,
so.
H
Yeah
brad
sort
of,
I
think,
was
the
first
part
of
my
question.
He
just
took
the
second
part.
Is
there
any
current?
H
You
know
within
the
last
five
six
years
code
updates
nationally,
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
a
city
comparable
in
size,
but
anything
that
you
think
addresses
some
of
the
concerns
that
we're
dealing
with
that
have
been
that
have
been
successful.
I
I
know
yeah
minneapolis
is
certainly
one.
That's
on
my
radar
I'd
be
curious
to
see
if
there
are
any
additional
ones
and
things
that
you
think
are
pertinent
to
our
study.
That's
going
on
right
now.
F
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
I'm
going
to
mention
the
one
that
our
team
actually
talked
about
when
we
got
shortlisted
for
an
interview
not
because-
and
it
might
ruffle
some
feathers,
because
not
because
it's
exemplary,
but
because
they
went
to
such
an
extent
that
there
I
guarantee
there
are
things
that
we
can
mine
from
that
to
apply
to
your
context
because
they're
your
close
neighbor
but
denver's
code.
That
was
a
monumental
effort.
Incredibly
complex
code.
They
in
that
effort.
I
can't
imagine
that
they
didn't
unturn.
F
They
turned
over
everything.
They
thought
of
every
single
possible
thing
that
there's
the
universe
and
now
which
of
those
things
in
that
universe,
apply
to
inglewood
in
your
specific
neighborhoods.
And
how
can
we
do
it
in
a
more
simple
way?
F
I
think
that's
one
to
look
at
as
far
as
other,
and
I
think
that
one
models
a
lot
of
the
codes
that
we
would
look
at
in
other
cities,
we're
just
finishing
up
one
right
now
in
indianapolis,
it's
going
for
adoption
over
the
next
month,
or
so
that
was
a
transit
corridor
overlay
where
we
we
did
implement
a
lot
of
the
the
missing
middle
housing
and
mixed
use
that
we
were
talking
about
in
this
meeting,
and
they
had
recently
done
redone
their
code
in
2016
and
17.
and
what
they
found
was.
F
It
was
too
complex
and,
and
it
had
a
lot
of
conflicts
in
it
for
what
they
wanted
to
achieve
in
these
key
transit
corridors.
And
so
we
went
through
and
implemented
a
missing
middle
housing
strategy
in
their
more
intense
dwelling
districts.
And
so
we
took
a
lot
of
ideas
from
some
of
the
bigger
city
codes
that
have
been
looking
at
a
building
typology
thing.
But
those
are
just
some
that
jump.
F
To
my
mind,
we
I
I've
got
a
whole
library
of
of
codes
in
my
files
and
I'm
always
looking
to
add
to
it
when,
if
some
of
you
all
know
great
ones
or
great
ideas,
you've
heard
of
thank
you.
A
I
have
one
quick
question:
how
do
you
address
short-term
rentals.
F
So
that's
that's
a
very
pertinent
question.
We
have
it
going
on
in
two
of
our
on-call
cities
right
now,
and
I
would
say
it's
so
it's
one
of
three
things:
it's
a
a
land
use
issue
in
which
we
would
address
through
the
zoning
code.
F
It's
a
business
licensing
issue
of
which
we
would
address
not
through
zoning
at
all
and
they're
operating
a
business
and
are
they
licensed
somehow
or
it's
a
property
management
maintenance
enforcement
issue
where
we're
trying
to
mitigate
things
that
might
be
a
result
of
short-term
rentals
within
those
three
realms
of
how
the
city
reacts
to.
That
is
our
solution
from
there.
It
depends
on
what
are
the
issues,
it's
a
location
issue
where
it's
appropriate
in
some
areas,
but
not
in
others.
F
Then
we
know
we
need
to
address
something
through
the
zoning
code
to
give
that
filter
if
it's
simply
a
getting
a
handle
on
these
businesses
where
they
are,
how
they
operate
and
having
some
accountability
that
might
tell
us,
maybe
we
don't
need
a
zoning
strategy
for
it.
If
you
have
some
of
it,
going
on
and
you're
frequently
fielding
complaints,
whether
it's
public
safety
or
planning
office,
that
would
tell
us,
maybe
it's
a
performance
issue
as
well,
so
we're
prepared
to
address
it
in,
in
certainly
from
the
zoning
standpoint.
F
If
we
need
to
it,
does
get
pretty
tricky,
managing,
what's
short-term
rental
versus
not
short-term
rental,
what
type
of
building
is
it
going
in
versus?
Not
it's
it's
one
of
those
things.
That's
just
sort
of
exploded,
our
comfort
zone
of
the
paradigms
that
we
usually
think
in
as
planners,
but
certainly
there's
plenty
of
cities
who
have
addressed
it
that
we
can
look
to
for
for
good
ideas.
But
our
experience
has
been
it's
one
of
those
three
things:
a
zoning
issue,
a
business
license
issue
or
an
enforcement.
F
F
I
guess
I'll
lead
off
with
one
of
the
first
things
we
we
like
to
do
it's
a
two-fold
questions:
what
are
the
top
three
procedures
that
you
often
find
yourself
in
where
the
outcome
isn't
necessarily
in
in
doubt,
if
you
have
any
of
those
things
that
are
more
routine,
whether
it's
a
common
bza
variance,
whether
it's
a
common
special
use
permit
that
keeps
coming
through
and
then
from
the
planner
side?
What
are
the
three
issues
that
you
spend
your
most
time
on
with
the
least
results.
D
Obviously,
right
now
we're
dealing
with
a
lot
of
our
code
is
about
20
years
old
and-
and
I
think
our
parking
portion
may
be
older
than
20
years
old,
and
so
right
now,
with
sort
of
some
of
the
changes
we're
seeing
going
on.
D
D
So
so
that's
definitely
definitely
something
that
just
about
every
conversation
on
a
multi-unit
development
starts
out
with,
and
it's
it's
a
difficult
one
because
involves
our
department,
which
we're
trying
to
keep
up
on.
You
know
current
trends.
It
also
involves
our
public
works
department,
who
is
of
course
very
concerned
about
the
public,
right-of-way
and
and
overflow
parking,
and
then
we
have
the
community
that
is
divided
somewhat
on
growth.
D
So
that's
that's
a
real
big
one,
the
other
one
is,
you
know
we
are
a
community
that
in
certain
areas
is
seeing
some
scrape
off
activity,
especially
with
duplexes
and
triplexes,
and
so
for
some
of
those
communities,
even
though
that
has
been
a
use
by
right
for
30
plus
years,
I
shouldn't
say
yeah
well
in
many
cases,
30
plus
years.
D
Many
of
the
much
of
the
community
doesn't
even
know
that
that
was
ever
allowed,
even
though
it's
been
allowed
for
that
period,
and
so
now
that
economically
and
the
market
is,
is
headed
that
direction
they're
seeing
a
lot
of
change
in
their
neighborhoods
and
they're.
You
know
it
depends
on
who
you
talk
to,
but
a
lot
of
them
will
say.
I
thought
this
was
a
one-story
neighborhood,
even
though
that
has
not
been
the
fact
for
a
long
time.
D
So
we're
struggling
with
that
and
I'd
invite
anybody
else
to
answer
the
first
part
of
that
question
or
add
on
to
mine.
But
those
are
two
big
ones:
architectural,
you
could
say
architectural
character
or
you
know,
design
guidelines
is
part
of
that.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
contemporary
architecture
happening
right
now,
but
I
I
think
it's
more
scrape-offs
and
new
sort
of
you
know
how
building
heights
and
those
kind
of
things
more
so
than
just
pure
character.
A
The
only
thing
I'd
add
to
that
brooke
is
the
you
know
when
you
have
in
the
r2
areas,
and
things
like
that
where
this
is
happening,
there's
also
the
the
shade
of
the
increased
height
of
the
building
right
next
to
them.
D
Yeah
both
planes
an
issue
flat.
Roofs
are
pretty
common
in
in
some
of
our
multi-unit
developments
or
duplexes
and
triplexes,
and
that's
and
that's
different
than
the
established
character
on
some
level.
But
so
that's
that's
one
of
them.
Certainly,
yes,
thank
you.
Michelle.
I
I
would
add
the
in
our
mu
b1
zone
district,
which
is
the
downtown
zoning
district.
Well,
I
believe
it's
in
mub2
as
well.
There
is
a
ground
floor.
Retail
requirement
that
50
over
50
of
the
built
ground
floor
must
be
commercial
or
retail,
and
that's
caused
us
a
lot
of
problems
because
off
of
broadway
there's
no
market
for
that,
and
and
even
sometimes
in
in
on
broadway.
I
It
could
be
a
problem
too,
but
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
hopefully
put
a
debt
in
that
here,
we're
kind
of
going
through
a
kind
of
a
rezoning
process
for
our
inglewood
station
area
and
we're
going
to
try
to
nip
that
partially
in
the
bud.
For
you,
you
might
have
to
do
some
additional
work
with
that
later.
E
I
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
fear,
there's
a
fear
of
other
peoples,
whether
they
are
poorer
than
me
or
maybe
more
successful
than
me
and
just
different
from
me,
and
I
bought
here
a
long
time
ago
expecting
it
to
stay
the
same
and
it's
radically
changing
and
I'm
and
they
think
some
of
them
even
are
afraid.
They're
going
to
be
somehow
forced
out.
A
H
I
I
will
mention
you
know
as
as
people
you
know
the
people
that
come
in
that
that
want
to
talk
about
these
new
developments
when
they
have
their
concerns.
Size
does
seem
to
be
one
of
the
larger
ones.
As
far
as
the
number
of
you
know,
comments
or
concerns
that
we
have
is
about
the
size
of
those
structures
comparative
to
what
you
know
in
their
mind,
their
their
neighborhood
was
always
going
to
be.
You
know,
single-family,
you
know
thousand
square
foot
or
less
homes,
and
then
you
know
these
new
larger
structures
right.
G
I
guess
one
additional
question
from
me:
our
group
focuses
a
lot
on
downtown
redevelopment
and
you
know
different
redevelopment
initiatives.
Can
you
describe
the
types
of
redevelopment
that
you're
anticipating
along
broadway,
and
you
know
what
you
see
coming
as
far
as
the
linkage
to
the
code
update.
B
I
could
maybe
address
that
one,
so
we
are
in
the
process,
probably
of
completely
reinventing
the
entire
central
portion
of
the
city,
the
downtown
commercial
core.
We
have
three
kind
of
sub-areas
that,
even
though
they're
adjacent
to
one
another
they've
had
a
very
difficult
time
relating
to
one
another
so
going
from
west
to
east.
B
The
density
just
does
not
work
for
a
trans-oriented
development,
an
effective
one.
So
we
we've
selected
a
master
developer
out
of
portland
that
we're
working
with
to
try
to
put
together
a
long-term
master
development
agreement
for
that
entire
redevelopment.
The
central
areas,
of
course,
is
our
historic
downtown
area
along
south
broadway,
which
has
really
been
fascinating.
The
last
five
years
of
my
tenure
here
to
really
see
the
rapid
transformation
of
the
entrepreneurialism
in
that
corridor.
It
is
a.
B
And
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
ability
to
capitalize
on
that
and
make
sure
that
we're
preserving
those
opportunities
for
that
that
smaller
scale
independent
business,
because
that's
the
commercial
history
and
heritage
along
that
area
and
then
just
to
the
east
of
the
medical
district
with
two
large
hospitals,
which
is
a
lot
of
the
location
as
well,
is
a
lot
of
infill
multi-family
redevelopment.
That's
happening
purely
on
a
market
basis.
We're
not
intervening
on
that
at
all
on
behalf
of
the
city.
B
So
one
of
things
that
we've
done
just
last
november
was
the
voters
in
a
district
and
those
three
districts
for
the
downtown
development
authority,
and
so
that
group
has
just
been
stood
up
in
the
last
month,
so
they're
getting
their
feet
underneath
them
and
we
have
the
potential
to
do.
You
know
a
30-year
time
frame
for
reinvestment
in
that
area,
and
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
to
reposition
and
position.
B
A
B
G
Yeah,
no,
that
is
really
exciting
to
hear
the
dda
got
stood
up
as
one
of
my
other
hats
that
I
wear,
I'm
actually
contract
staff
executive
director
for
the
windsor
downtown
development
authority.
So
definitely
you
know
thinking
in
that
30-year
time
frame
about
development
initiatives,
how
zoning
impacts
redevelopment
opportunities
and,
looking
at
how
that
then
impacts
the
tax.
Increment
financing
is
definitely
something
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
So
that's
that's
exciting.
B
Terrific
well
on
that
note,
if,
if
we
could,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
being
mindful
and
fair
to
the
other
group.
That's
going
to
be
joining
us
in
a
few
minutes,
so
we
are
right
at
our
ending
time
of
7
25,
so
we
timed
it
just
about
right.
So,
gentlemen,
chris
matt,
graham
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening.
B
B
You,
gentlemen,
for
the
committee
members
we'll
take
a
five
minute
break,
so
if,
if
you
could
be
back
here
and
ready
to
go
with
our
next
team
at
7,
30.
we'd
appreciate
it.
Five
minutes.
B
A
J
B
B
Okay,
well
we'll
count
on
michelle
joining
us
momentarily
and
we'll
get
started
in
the
interest
of
time
good
evening
again
everybody.
My
name
is
brad
power.
I'm
the
director
of
the
community
development
department
for
the
city
of
englewood,
welcome
to
our
team
from
white
and
smith.
We
appreciate
your
time
this
evening
we're
looking
forward
to
having
a
good
discussion
with
you.
B
I
want
to
just
briefly
introduce
a
little
bit
of
the
format
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
for
about
the
next
hour
or
so
we're
going
to
have
our
planning
staff
rotate
through
a
series
of
ten
questions.
So
we
will
have
plenty
of
time
for
you
to
provide
some
extended
answers
to
the
planner's
questions.
And
after
that
we
want
to
give
the
committee
the
steering
committee
the
opportunity
to
ask
any
follow-up
questions
that
they
may
have
for
you,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
to
reserve
some
time
toward
the
end.
B
For
you
to
ask
us
any
questions
that
you
may
have
in
terms
of
where
the
city
is
positioned
and
in
the
background
of
the
project
or
any
other
questions
that
you
may
have
so
between
the
hour
of
the
10
quest,
the
10,
formal
questions
and
the
15
minutes
of
the
follow-up.
That's
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
So
if
that
comports,
with
your
expectations
and
opportunities
to
have
a
good
conversation
at
that
point.
B
D
Hi,
my
name
again
is
brooke
bell:
I'm
a
senior
planner
in
current
planning
here
with
the
community
development
department
and
I'll.
Ask
the
first
question.
Thank
you
for
your
interest
in
the
codenext
unified
development
code
project
and
taking
time
this
evening
to
talk
to
us.
Please
introduce
yourself
and
your
team
that
is
here
tonight
as
well
as
any
background
on
your
firm
and
what
you
would
like
us
to
know.
J
Thanks
brooke,
my
name
is
mark
white.
I
am
a
senior
partner
with
white
and
smith
in
our
kansas
city
office,
we
are
white
and
smith
is
organized
as
a
law
firm,
but
we're
really
planners.
I'm
an
aicp
planner
in
addition
to
having
a
law
degree
and
our
focus
in
in
specialty
in
our
firm
is,
is
co-drafting.
We've
done
over
150
complete
development
code
updates
in
similar
projects
like
this
in
over
36
states
around
the
country.
So
this
is
this
kind
of
project
is
really
what
we
do.
J
We've
been
in
business
for
over
15
years,
16
years
now
I've
been
doing
this
for
over
31
years.
In
my
career
I
started
my
career
in
1990,
and
so
I
have
a
long
experience.
You
know
applying
the
law
to
development
codes,
writing
development
codes
in
ways
that
are
user
friendly.
J
You
know
working
closely
with
staff
and
the
general
public
to
get
them
up
to
date.
So,
in
addition
to
that,
we
we've
got
a
lot
of
experience
in
colorado,
we're
currently
doing
a
code
update
with
westminster
and
we're
working
with
our
teaming
partners.
Here,
logan
simpson,
on
a
number
of
other
projects
around
the
state
and
in
the
mountain
west
right
now,
so
we've
got
long
experience
with
colorado
and
for
what
it's
worth,
I'm
also
a
graduate
of
thornton
high
school.
J
So
I'm
in
kansas
city
now,
but
actually
spent
some
time
in
in
in
colorado.
When
I
was
younger,
joining
us
are
logan
simpson
jen.
Do
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
them,
while
jen's
unmuting,
I
will
mention
you
know,
logan
sims
is
a
a
full-service
planning
firm.
There
we're
working
with
their
fort
collins
office.
We
are
doing
code
updates
with
them
and
wellington
and
other
manitou
springs
and
other
places
around
the
state
in
the
mountain
west,
including
ada,
county
idaho,
and
they
also
led
the
code
assessment.
J
That's
attached
to
the
rfp,
so
you
saw
our
faces
earlier
last
year
when
we
worked
on
this
project.
So
jen,
you
want
to
say
a
few
things
about
your
firm.
C
Sure
yeah,
I
believe
I
know
most
of
you
on
the
phone,
but
I'll
just
do
a
brief
intro
about
logan
simpson.
We
are
a
full-service
planning,
landscape
architecture,
environmental
planning
and
cultural
firm,
we're
about
150
strong
in
the
in
the
intermountain
west,
around
arizona,
colorado,
utah.
C
Those
are
our
main
primary
offices
and
much
like
mark.
We,
we
do
a
lot
of
comprehensive
plans,
but
we
also
write
a
lot
of
code,
help
update
a
lot
of
codes
and
are
working
with
white
and
smith
on
a
lot
of
different
projects,
as
mark
mentioned,
I
think
some
of
our
strengths
that
we
bring
to
the
table
are
our
public
outreach
skills.
C
We
we
do
public
outreach
all
over
the
all
over
the
country
really
and
we're
always
open
to
trying
new
techniques
and
and
trying
to
push
the
envelope
and
and
get
ahead
of
things
in
that
regard,
and
we
also
specialize
in
graphic
development
and
really
just
site
analysis
really
analyzing
the
sites
when
we,
when
we
write
code,
it's
not
just
about
the
language,
it's
about
the
application
on
the
on
the
land
and
how
that
affects
the
built
environment.
C
So
we
we
try
to
take
a
holistic
approach
to
all
of
our
projects
and
we
have.
I
have
melissa
ruth
on
the
phone
with
me
tonight
and
I
don't,
I
think,
that's
about
what
we
need
to
say.
J
Very
good
thanks,
jen
also
joining
us.
I
don't
know
what
y'all
your
your
screen
looks
like,
but
this
this
may
be
a
little
dangerous.
We
have
two
texans
on
the
phone
with
us
tonight.
J
I
got
rhys
rhys
wilson
is
our
planner
in
our
dallas
office,
reese
was
a
staff
planner
for
the
city
of
mckinney,
texas,
so
they're,
it's
a
a
similarly
situated
municipality
in
the
dallas
region,
and
so
reese
has
experienced
not
just
doing
the
code
drafting
stuff
with
white
and
smith,
but
he's
also
got
hands-on
experience
working
with
the
codes
on
the
other
side
of
the
table.
J
So
we're
pleased
to
have
him
he's
also
skilled
with
graphics
and
graphics,
is
an
important
part
of
any
code
update
we
do
and
also
joining
us
is
our
our
teaming
partner
kennedy,
keist
brett
keist
is
is
out
of
their
houston
office.
Brett's
firm
and
our
firm
are
very
similar.
I
think
between
the
two
of
us
we've
done
over
350
code
updates
all
around
the
country
brett.
Now
our
two
firms
have
collaborated
on
a
lot
of
code
updates
around
the
country,
including
one
for
centennial
colorado.
J
That
was
a
colorado
apa
award
winner.
They
also
joined
us
in
in
westminster,
so
we're
pleased
to
have
them.
He
brings
a
a
you
know,
a
large,
a
group
of
people
who
are
experienced
in
co-drafting
and
code
analysis
with
him
and
also
offers
if
the
city's
interested.
J
This
would
be
an
optional
thing,
encode,
which
is
an
online
digital
format,
platform
for
both
drafting
and
displaying
the
code
and
maintaining
it
over
time,
which
is
kind
of
tricky.
So
brett.
You
want
to
add
anything
to
what
I
just
said.
K
K
Good
evening
everybody
pleased
to
be
with
you
tonight.
As
mark
said,
we
have
been
business
for
38
years,
we've
done
over
200
code
projects
and
over
200
conferencing
plan
projects
like
mark
across
36
states.
I've
been
doing
this
also
for
for
31
years.
K
K
We
have
been
working
in
neighboring
littleton
for
the
last
three
years.
We
did
their
vision
and
comprehensive
plan
which
was
updated
and
for
the
last
15
months
or
so
we've
been
working
on
their
unified
land
use
code.
K
That
will
be
public
draft
will
be
released
on
june,
8th,
so
getting
getting
close
on
that
one
we're
also
working
in
castle,
pines
and
finishing
a
code
and
design
guideline
project
for
winter
park.
So
between
mark-
and
I
we've
probably
put
worked
on-
I
can't
even
count
the
number
of
projects
we've
worked
worked
on.
We
probably
have
six
or
eight
projects
right
now
that
we
are
collaborating
on
as
we
kind
of
complement
each
other
in
the
strengths
of
each
firm,
and
you
know
provide
a
a
a
deep
bench
of
resources.
J
D
I,
I
believe,
will
has
the
next
question.
H
Good
evening
everybody,
I
am,
will
charles
planner
two
with
the
community
development
department
and
my
question
for
you
tonight
is
the
rfp
states,
a
targeted
and
incremental
process
for
updating
the
udc
or
unified
development
code
is
envisioned.
Please
explain
your
process
and
how
this
volume
of
information
will
be
presented
and
decisions
will
be
made.
Also,
how
will
city
council
be
involved
in
your
process.
J
Okay,
very
good
I'll,
always
it's
a
it's!
This
question
sounds
like
a
two-parter
to
me.
So
I'll
answer
the
first
one,
which
is
how
we
make
decisions
and
addressing
the
fact
that
you
see
this
as
an
incremental
process.
J
The
way
we
typically
work
with
cities
with
a
code
update
is
first
of
all
the
the
client
appoints
a
project
manager.
I
will
serve
as
our
team's
project
manager.
J
J
In
doing
so,
I
mean
inglewood's,
not
the
is
is
far
from
the
largest
city
we've
we've
ever
worked
with,
but
it's
34
over
34
000
people
a
lot
of
strong
opinions
in
the
community
about
the
way
things
ought
to
be
done
and
the
way
things
are
not
to
be
done,
and
there's
often
once
once
you
proceed
on
a
project
like
this
and
you
roll
up
your
sleeves.
You
really
dive
into
the
details.
J
J
You're,
never
gonna
get
you're,
never
going
to
unveil
your
very
first
draft
and
everybody
goes
kumbaya.
This
is
exactly
what
I
was
lurking
was
looking
for
from
all
34
000
residents
from
everyone
on
staff,
from
all
of
your
planning
commission
from
all
of
your
city,
council
people.
That's
those
drafts
illuminate
a
lot
of
the
differences
of
opinion.
J
They
illuminate
a
lot
and
they
also
illuminate
a
lot
of
the
ways
that
we
can
start
to
resolve
some
of
the
differences
of
opinion
about
how
things
ought
to
be
done
and
work
towards
a
final
draft
with
language
that
hits.
You
know
everybody's
hot
hot
buttons
to
the
best
that
we
can,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
city's
project
manager,
who
makes
those
decisions.
J
We
work
with
the
city
to
check
in
with
the
public,
to
check,
in
with
your
decision
makers
and
to
work
through
all
of
those
all
of
those
issue,
points
and
decision
points
that
reveal
themselves
along
the
way,
and
so
that's
you
know,
that's
a
that's
a
short
answer
to
your
to
your
first
question.
The
second
one
is,
you
know
how
we
work
with
the
city
council,
and
I
alluded
to
that
as
well
as
strategic
points
along
the
process.
We
have
check-in
meetings
with.
J
You
know
all
of
our
clients
with
the
city
council.
I
would
also
add
your
your
planning
commission
to
that
as
well.
The
folks
who,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
have
to
adopt
what
it
is
we're
putting
together.
So
they
need
to
know
what's
coming,
they
need
a
a
good
summary
of
of
what's
in
the
documents,
they
often
don't
have
time
to
read.
The
whole
thing
word
for
word.
Sometimes
you
get
council
members
who
do
that,
but
we
really
have
to
work
with
them
to
summarize.
J
What's
in
there
to
let
them
know
what
the
public
was
telling
us
along
the
way
to
explain
why
things
are
written,
the
way
they
were
and
how
we
arrived
at
compromised
positions
and
decisions
along
the
way.
I
think
it's
important
to
do
that.
You
know
at
least
three
four,
maybe
more
times
going
forward
over
this
over
this
18
month
period,
so
that
they
are
aware
of
all
of
this
before
it
lands
on
their
desk.
K
Quick
sure
mark
made
mention
of
the
encode
plus,
which
is
the
kind
of
a
technology
that
can
be
used
here.
This
has
been
used
very
effective
in
littleton
and
many
other
places.
K
It
can
be
used
as
a
project
website
for
one,
but
we're
also
able
to
work
in
a
password-protected
maintenance
module
where
we
can
share
comments
and
do
track
changes
amongst
each
other
on
staff
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
public
process,
which
we'll
be
launching
here
in
in
two
weeks
in
littleton,
we're
able
to
receive
public
comments
on
the
draft
as
well
and
we'll
basically
collect
all
those
comments
for
us
and
we'll
be
able
to
sort
and
and
review
those
and
then
provide
responses.
K
And
all
the
comments
will
be
embedded
in
the
draft
in
a
table
at
the
bottom
of
each
section.
So
it
makes
it
very
transparent
and
it's
a
very,
very
efficient
way.
You
know
for
everybody
to
to
see
what's
being
commented
and
to
collect
all
those
comments,
so
that
would
be
a
use
of
encode
plus
in
this
application.
J
Good
thanks
brett
and
that's
a
tool
that
can
help
us
that
the
city
chooses
to
to
go
forward
with
it.
So
we've
like,
like
brett,
said
we're
using
that
on
a
lot
of
projects.
Oklahoma,
city,
loudoun,
county,
virginia
chesterfield,
county
virginia
is
starting
up
with
it
right
now
or
three
projects
that
brett
and
I
are
working
together
on
with
within
code,
and
it's
been
quite
useful.
J
H
Thank
you.
I
think
the
next
question
goes
to
john.
I
I
J
Great
well
I'll,
let
jen
speak
up
in
a
second,
but
I
see
logan
simpson
as
our
lead
on
on
public
outreach
and
they
are
expert
facilitators.
I
can
also
tell
you
that
both
bret
and
I
have
done
quite
a
bit
of
that
as
well.
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
leading
meetings
leading
stakeholder
meetings,
focus
groups,
public
workshops,
check
in
sessions
with
your
decision
makers
and
etc.
So,
all
of
us
all
three
of
us
can
fulfill
that
role.
That
role
on
this
firm
and
jen.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about?
C
Yeah,
absolutely
and
mark
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
all
all
three
bret
mark
and
I
are
our
facilitators
and
and
do
have
to
facilitate
difficult
conversations.
We
we
do
that
by
asking
a
lot
of
questions
and
really
talking
with
people.
I
I
find
in
a
in
a
public
meeting
the
best
course.
If
someone
has
a
very
strong
feeling
or
opinion
is
to
just
sit
and
talk
to
them
and
and
start
to
dissect.
That
idea
a
little
bit
and
start
to
apply
it
to
on
the
ground.
C
Situations
to
try
to
get
to
some
sort
of
solution
or
or
talk
through
some
options,
and
we
find
a
lot
of
times-
and
we
did
this
actually
on
the
code
assessment
to
some
degree
is
putting
out
optional
approaches
so
putting
forward.
You
know
we
could
go
this
route,
this
route
or
this
route,
which
one
do
you
feel
would
work
best
for
you
or
for
the
community,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
decipher
from
there.
C
I
I
think
with
this
with
this
project,
since
we've
done
a
fair
bit
of
outreach
already
for
the
assessment,
we
would
be
looking
at
still
continuing
to
get
the
word
out
on
the
project
and
what
the
code
is
and
and
trying
to
now
that
things
are
opening
up
a
little
bit
more
from
covet.
I
think
we
have
some
additional
opportunities
to
get
out
in
person.
C
I
think
we
would
try
to
use
more
of
an
ambassador
approach
where
we
might
have
certain
ambassadors
of
different
neighborhoods,
and
that
could
be
some
of
the
people
that
are
more
passionate
about
certain
subjects,
and
so
we
could
use
them
to
try
to
get
the
word
out
and
then
I
think
we
would
use
focus
groups.
C
I
J
You
know
our
approach
to
facilitating
a
project
like
this
is,
first
of
all,
first
of
all,
to
listen
and,
second
of
all,
it's
to
summarize
the
decisions
that
are
going
to
be
difficult.
I
mean
the
low-hanging
fruit
stuff
is
easy
and
we
can
sit
down
and
start
drafting
your
code
tomorrow.
J
J
The
hard
part
is
to
listen
to
all
the
different,
diverse
points
of
view,
different
stakeholders,
neighborhood
residents,
developers,
etc,
and
to
really
list
out
and
to
summarize
the
the
issues
that
are
the
most
difficult,
the
ones
that
are
holding
things
back
and
you
know
even
even
with
staff.
Sometimes
you
know
differences
of
opinion
that
come
up
br
the
the
tool
brett
mentioned.
It's
a
good
way
of
doing
that
to
collect.
You
know
those
comments,
it's
a
good
way
to
summarize
people,
you
know,
and
the
nice
thing
too
is
it's
in
their
own
words.
J
I
take
notes
like
crazy,
you,
I
don't
know.
If
any
of
you
saw
the
notes,
I
took
from
our
meetings
in
inglewood
I'm
if,
if
I
ever
lose
this
job,
I'm
going
to
become
a
court
stenographer,
I
think
because
it's
just
a
nervous
habit
of
mine,
but
I'm
a
good
listener.
I
have
no
ego.
I
don't
think
I've
won
an
argument
since
in
27
years
I
don't
go
into
processes
like
these
to
argue
with
people.
I
go
into
processes
like
these
to
listen
and
to
summarize
and
to
understand
what
people
are
telling
me.
J
That's
that's
critical.
You
know,
and
it's
it's
a
different
audience
too,
when
you
get
to
zoning
updates,
when
you
do
a
conference
of
plan
by
the
way,
logan
simpson
did
your
conference
a
plant
too.
So
nobody
knows
this.
No
planning
firm
out.
There
knows
the
city
better
than
better
than
logan
simpson.
Does
we
talk
about
a
comprehensive
plan
and
even
when
you're
talking
about
the
code
assessment,
it's
a
different
audience.
I
mean
you
get
a
lot
of
people
thinking
big
thoughts,
thinking
at
30,
000
feet,
they're,
not
scared!
J
Yet
about
things
because
we're
talking
about
broad
policy
we're
talking
about
what
we
want
new
development
to
look
like
in
our
city,
those
sorts
of
things.
But
when
we
start
talking
about
the
development
standards,
it
brings
a
lot
of
new
people
to
the
table
and
it's
a
different
way.
It's
it's
often
a
different,
a
set
of
skills
to
manage
people.
You
have
to
be
prepared
to
listen
to
people
who
are
angry
to
people
who
are
scared
to
people
who
are
skeptical
and
just
distrustful
and
a
lot
of
the.
J
Why
are
we
doing
this
kinds
of
people?
Because
one
thing
you
know,
I
know
a
lot
of
people
are
excited
to
move
this
forward,
to
go
to
the
next
step
for
this
city
and
to
update
the
code.
But
you
know
one
two
things
I
find
you
know
the
two
things
everybody
hates
or
their
existing
development
code
and
anything
that
changes
their
existing
development
code,
especially
sometimes
the
people
who
use
it
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
So
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that.
Well
as
we
go
forward,
I
you
know.
J
J
We've
seen
different
ways
of
applying
things
before,
but
we
don't
have
like
our
canned
approach
that
we're
going
to
come
in
and
give
you
so
we're
good
at
writing
the
code
that
you
want,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
that's
our
job.
J
A
Hi,
I'm
eric
sampson
planner,
two
with
community
development,
so
the
city
is
building
a
project
web
page
using
the
bang
the
table
platform.
The
rfp
requires
the
selected
consultant
to
provide
weekly
updates,
graphics
and
other
information
to
keep
the
project
website
current
and
the
public
engaged.
A
J
Certainly,
I
think
all
of
us
are
going
to
help
with
that,
especially
when
it
comes
to
when
it
comes
to
keeping
the
project
going
on
a
weekly
basis.
I
think
it's
an
all
hands
on
deck
approach.
I
know
recent
melissa
will
help
a
lot
with
that.
With
with
asking
questions,
you
know,
that's
a
good
use
of
a
resource
like
bang.
The
table
is
asking
really
pointed
questions
that
that
create
a
dialogue
for
folks
and
they're
good.
J
At
doing
that-
and
I
know
logan
simpson-
you
know
they're
one
of
their
specialties
is
public
outreach,
so
they're
going
to
help
us.
You
know
keep
this
keep
the
website,
something
that's
dynamic.
Jen!
You
want
to
add
to
that.
C
Yeah,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
to
add
we'll
we'll
do
whatever
content
is
appropriate
at
the
moment.
So,
as
mark
said,
post
quick
polls
and
questions,
there's
bang
the
table,
we've
worked
with
bang
the
table
a
lot
over
our
years.
They
have
some
great
mapping
tools.
So
when
we
get
into
specific
areas
or
looking
at
you
know,
neighborhoods
and
and
looking
at
maybe
specific
design
guidelines
for
specific
areas,
we
can
have
people
pin
maps
in
areas
and
or
put
pins
on
the
map
and
give
a
comment.
C
C
We
typically
do
little.
You
guys
have
seen
a
lot
of
the
graphics
that
we
do,
but
we
do.
You
know
little
little
infographics
and
fun
fun
ways
to
try
to
engage
the
community
so
that,
if
you
are
direct,
if
you
get
directed
to
the
website
when
you
get
on
there,
it's
easy
to
navigate
we're
actually
beta
testing
a
tool
with
bing
the
table
right
now.
C
It's
a
text
polling
tool,
it's
working
really
successfully,
so
that
might
be
another
tool
that
we
could
help
you
out
with,
but
we've
done
quite
a
bit
with
bang
the
table.
It
does
have
some
limitations
with
imagery.
We
have
found
with
visual
preference
type
surveys,
but
we've
found
some
workarounds
with
that.
So
it's
a
pretty
useful
tool
where
we're
very
well
versed
in
it.
So.
J
Thanks
jen,
and
I
can
also
tell
you,
as
as
three
firms
who
do
work
all
over
the
country.
We
have
a
very
robust
image
library
from
places
all
over
the
country.
So
if
you
need
an
example
of
something,
it's
likely
that
between
the
three
of
us,
there
is
a
an
image
that
we
can
use-
that's
not
protected
by
somebody
else's
copyright,
we're
free
to
put
it
on
the
website
and
it's
something
that
comes
often
from
somewhere
else.
J
A
Yeah,
certainly
john
thanks
back
to
you.
J
Yes,
there
are
several
ways
to
do
that
and
we
alluded
to
them
in
the
report
and
I
think
we
need
a
little
bit
and
I'm
glad
you
got
more
dialogue
planned
out
in
the
rfp,
because
we'll
need
more
community
discussion
on
how
we
make
that
happen.
J
One
is
to
just
either
create
a
new
zoning
district
or
you
know
to
revise
your
existing
district
regulations
to
make
it
easier
to
do
the
right
thing
with
new
standards.
You
know
that
accommodate
that
style
of
development
with
build
two
lines
frontage
built
out,
you
know
all
the
active
uses
on
the
ground
floor.
You
know
whatever
standards,
we
need
to
achieve
that
development
outcome,
but
also
being
mindful
of
you
know
this,
this
community's
attention
to
the
scale
of
development
and
how
it
transitions
into
existing
neighborhoods.
J
So
you
know
our
our
approach
is
whether
we
do
it
through
new
district
regulations
by
adding
modular
or
composite
standards
to
your
existing
regulations
and
and
expanding
the
zoning
map.
We
have
to
have
two
things
you
know
one
is
that
set
of
design,
metrics
and
dimensional
standards
that
make
sure
that
that
outcome
is
what
happens
and
not
something
else,
not
just
setting
a
zero
setback.
Only
to
see
you
know
somebody
load
their
their
their
frontage
with
a
surface
parking
lot.
J
We
need
to
make
sure
that
all
of
those
standards
are
working
in
concert
with
each
other
and
deliver
that
outcome
and,
secondly,
is
looking
at
a
robust
set
of
tools
for
transition
and
that's
important
as
well
transitions
in
scale
transitions
that
don't
just
rely
on
the
old,
the
old-fashioned
landscape
buffer.
J
K
Contribute
on
what
we've
done
in
littleton,
which,
since
it's
right
next
door
and
shares
a
lot
of
characteristics,
their
comp
plan
identified
a
projected
population
of
15
000,
additional
people
over
6
000
initial
dwelling
units,
and
so
our
job
was
to
try
to
figure
out.
You
know
how
do
we
accommodate
those
and
making
sure
that
we're
providing
for
a
variety
of
housing
types
and
different
living
formats
that
can
be
meet?
K
The
needs
of
you
know
everybody
in
town,
their
employers
have
surveyed
and
said
that
they
have
less
and
less
confidence
in
the
availability
of
housing
for
their
employees.
So
this
is
a
big
issue.
So
generally
we
identified
all
the
areas
up
and
down
santa
fe
and
and
some
of
broadway
as
corridor
mixed
use,
and
so
therefore,
what
was
commercial
we're
introducing
residential
which
provides,
for
you
know,
additional
living
options.
K
We
have
talked
about
or
further
expanded,
their
definition
of
a
single
family
attached
to
get
into
multiplexes
and
townhomes
and
row
houses.
We've
talked
about
ways
that
they
can
do.
Duplex
conversions
we've
got
to
put
the
whole,
you
know
universe
of
ideas
out
there
and
now
the
community's
starting
to
work
through
them
to
decide.
K
K
You
know:
affordability
goals
without
you
know,
upsetting
the
character
of
the
community,
so
we've
identified
like
600
acres
of
property
that
will
now
provide
for
mixed
use
and,
of
course,
we've
got
mixed
use,
design
standards
and
there
are
already
properties
that
are
strip
centers,
set
at
the
back
of
property,
with
thousand
parking
places
in
front
that
are
already
bringing
plans
in
based
upon
the
code
and
gonna
create
mixed-use
centers
with
walkable
traditional
main
streets,
and
things
like
that.
So
see
it
really
transforming
a
lot
of
areas
within
within
littleton.
D
So
this
is
brooke
again
and
before
I
ask
the
next
question:
we
are
halfway
through
the
questions
and
a
little
bit
more
than
halfway
through
our
time.
So
I
think
we're
doing
all
right,
but
we
want
to
keep
this
same
pace
at
least,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
leave
about
15
minutes
towards
the
end
of
our
time.
For
some
questions
from
the
steering
committee
and
and
even
some
questions
from
your
your
team.
D
So
here
is
the
next
question:
will
existing
local
neighborhood
conditions
be
analyzed,
including
housing,
age,
quality
conditions
and
size.
J
Yes,
we
did
some
of
that
in
the
assessment
report.
I
mean
it's
not
a
detailed
analysis.
You
know
like
you
would
do
with
a
historic
survey
or
or
something
like
that.
That's
something
given
the
timing
of
this
project
and
and
the
budget
that's
assigned
to
it
that
you
know
what
the
specifics
of
what
you
said
suggest
a
broader
study
you
know
than
we
would
do
as
part
of
the
code
update
but
based
on
information.
J
You've
got
based
on
information
and
the
assessment
report
and
what
we
already
know
about
the
city
from
logan
simpson's
work
with
the
comp
plan
with
our
work
on
the
assessment.
J
That's
the
information
that
that
you
know
that
we
would
use,
and
you
know
how
we
would
draw
lines
and
and
analyze
the
best
approach
to
existing
neighborhood
development
or
in
development
around
existing
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
K
One
of
the
simple
things
that
we
did
in
in
littleton
was
an
analysis
we'd
identified
over
350
properties
that
are
non-conforming
by
reason
of
lot
area.
In
other
words,
what
the
zoning
provides
for
the
lot
area
is
is
too
small,
so
we
went
in
and
started
looking
at
all
their
zoning
districts
and
consolidating
districts
and
kind
of
re-aligning
or
recalibrating
their
districts
to
eliminate
the
vast
majority
of
those
non-conformities.
K
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do
with
gis
and
aerial
analysis
to
start
identifying
what
the
you
know,
character.
Neighborhoods
are
so
that
we're
careful
when
we're
designing
new
regulations
to
preserve
that
character
and
to
enhance
it.
If
there
should
be
any
you
know,
infill
or
or
adjacent
development.
D
Yes,
it
does,
and
I
believe
will
has
the
next
question.
H
J
Certainly
yeah
and
brett
just
to
describe
the
approach
that
he
used
in
in
littleton
next
door,
and
you
know
we
can.
We
can
tap
into
your
gis
capabilities
to
assess
the
the
the
breadth
of
those
issues
as
well
as
assessing
different.
You
know
different
tools
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
create
new
non-conformities.
Unless
that's
intentional,
you
know,
unless
we're
deliberately
want
to
force
a
different
outcome
over
time,
we
can
give
you
those
tools
as
well.
If
the
city
wanted
to
aggressively
go
in
that
direction,
so
you
know
it's.
J
That's
part
analysis
is,
you
know
describing
based
on
you
know
what
you
want
your
code
to
look
like.
You
know
what
what
picture
that
paints
for
the
city
in
terms
of
any
existing
non-conformities,
that
that
would
that
would
create
and
then
how
we
deal
with
those
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
tools,
ranging
from
very,
very
aggressive.
J
You
know.
Amortizing
existing
uses,
for
example,
is
one
approach,
but
it
could
be
controversial
to
you
know
just
acknowledging
situations
that
are
there
and
don't
literally
conform
to
all
the
standards
in
our
ordinance
as
conforming
uses
which
allows
them
to
go
about
their
business.
We
could
let
we
can
let
them
expand
without
calling
them
non-conforming
up
to
a
certain
amount.
So
different
approaches
to
that
as
well
and
in
a
city
is
as
complicated
as
inglewood
can
be.
We
may
be
using
a
variety
of
those
in
the
code
when
it's
when
it's
finally
written.
K
H
Thank
you.
I
believe
the
next
question
is
john's.
I
J
I
know
the
rfp
talked
about
12
to
14,
something
like
that.
If
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
selected,
that
number
of
meetings
will
be
driven
by
the
budget,
and
we
don't
know
you
know
exactly.
You
know,
we
know
what
your
ceiling
is,
but
we
don't
know
what
the
final
number
is
is
is
going
to
be
so
our
proposal
you
know,
hit
that
mark.
I
think
you
know
some
of
those
are
going
to
be
digital
and
with
logan
simpson's
presence
in
colorado.
J
You
know
a
number
are
going
to
be
in
person
as
well.
We'll
sort
that
out.
You
know.
If
we're
we're
selected,
we
don't
have
the
you
know
a
specific
number
of
digital
and
a
specific
number
of
of
in
person
at
this
time.
You
know
that
would
go
to
the
next
step.
That
would
go
to
the
negotiation
process,
but
I
think
we
can
hit.
J
We
can
hit
the
mark,
that's
in
the
rfp
for
that
12
to
14
meetings,
and
you
know
how
what
how
many
are
digital
and
and
how
many
are
or
virtual
and
how
many
are
in
person
is
gonna.
It's
gonna
depend
on
that
final
number.
A
So,
could
you
explain
how
you
will
model
difficult
land
use
concepts
such
as
bulk
plane
regulations
in
a
way
that
is
understandable
to
a
person
just
learning
about
planning
and
zoning
concepts.
J
Good
question:
yes,
the
bulk
plane
is
not
easy
to
read
on
paper.
I
think,
even
even
for
a
planner
and
logan
simpson
already
did
some
graphics
in
the
code
assessment
and
you
know
as
we
move
forward
and
decide
what
that
ends
up,
what
that
tool
ends
up.
Looking
like
both
figuratively
and
literally,
I
anticipate
that
we're
gonna
deal
with
that
two
ways.
One
is
the
the
visual
part.
You
know
those
three-dimensional
graphics
that
logan
simpson
did
that
we
can
build
on
that.
J
We
can
adjust
their
vector
drawing
so
they're
easy
to
they're
easy
to
revise
going
forward
and
then
believe
it
or
not.
Even
though
I
have
a
law
degree,
I
am
very
very
ardent
about
writing
in
a
way,
that's
user-friendly,
and
so
I
think
both
the
visual
and
the
written
text
has
to
you
know
you
have
to
do
both
of
those
in
a
way
that
that's
easy
for
the
general
public
to
to
understand.
J
And
so
my
writing
style
is
almost
no
passive
voice
ever
using
the
easiest
language
that
we
can
get
away
with
to
describe
what
what's
required
of
applicants,
doing
a
lot
of
lists
and
tables
and
white
space
and
describing
things
without
using
you
know
a
single
run-on
paragraph
like
you'd,
see
in
an
old
legal
contract.
J
So
all
we
would
employ
all
of
that
as
well.
As
you
know,
placing
that
graphic
on
the
same
page
as
the
text.
So
when
you
read
it
it'll
be
there
it'll
be
labeled,
there'll,
be
call
outs,
and
things
like
that,
so
that
folks,
who
you
know
people
who've
who
are
reading
their
first
zoning
ordinance,
you
know,
will
be
on
the
same
playing
field
as
the
attorneys
and
the
engineers
and
the
architects
who
use
the
code.
K
K
D
Okay,
we're
at
the
last
question
and
it
is:
how
will
you
modernize
the
current
udc.
J
Great
great
question:
well
I'll
I'll,
take
the
initial
stab
brett
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
We're
going
to
do
this
in
several
ways:
number
one
we're
going
to
make
sure
it's
organized
in
a
way
that
that
makes
the
information
easier
to
find
so
we're
going
to
make
it
user
friendly.
J
I
mean
you
have
a
udc
that,
for
its
time,
you
know
was
a
fairly
modern
document
and
you
know
used
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
contemporary
metrics
to
regulate
development,
that
you
know,
use
some
document,
layout
tools
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
what
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
work
with
you
to
to
make
sure
that
it's
laid
out
in
in
a
way
that's
easier
for
people
to
find
the
information
they
need
and
that
uses
modern
tools
of
of
technology
to
describe
and
present
and
display
the
code.
J
That
makes
it
easy
for
the
general
public
to
find
that
includes
clickable,
hyperlinks
and
and
vector
graphics,
and
you
know
all
kinds
of
things.
You
know
that
that
you
see
in
a
contemporary
modern
development
code
and
if
you
choose
to
use
encode,
it's
going
to
be
even
better
you're,
going
to
have
a
more
robust
you're
going
to
have
robust
tools
not
just
to
hyperlink
to
different
parts
of
the
code.
J
To
to
you
know
inner
formulas
that
describe
you
know
how
much
on
right
there
on
that
page,
that'll
tell
an
applicant
how
much
parking
is
needed,
for
example,
or
how
wide
their
landscape
buffers
if
those
are
required
in
a
given
location,
have
to
be
and
those
sorts
of
things,
but
there'll
be
ways
to
hyperlink
to
other
parts
of
the
code,
to
hyperlink
to
state
statutes
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
scared
of
modern
technology.
J
One
thing
I
really
like
about
encode
when
I've
used
it
is
it
it
generates
pdf
and
word
documents
and
the
word
documents
you
have
all
the
headings
intact.
So
you
know
I
use
the
when
I
write
things
in
word.
I
use
the
navigation
pane
a
lot
to
get
back
and
forth
between
different
parts
of
the
code
and
encode.
Does
that,
unlike
some
other,
you
know
other
resources
where
it
just
gives
you
a
word
document,
but
it's
not
formatted
and
etc
so
brett
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
K
Yeah,
so
I
I
realize
encode
wasn't
what
was
asked
for,
but
that's
kind
of
our
specialty
and
really
the
purpose
of
what
it
is.
Basically,
we
can
take
your
code
and
put
it
into
a
full
web-based
interactive
format
that
we
can
accommodate
unique
page,
layouts
tables
and
graphics
and
manipulate
those
mark.
K
What
mark
was
talking
about
is
we
have
a
whole
series
of
tools
where
we
can
integrate
3d
gis
maps,
so
you
can
link
back
and
forth
between
the
text
of
the
code
and
the
and
the
map,
either
from
clicking
on
an
address
or
entering
an
address
and
finding
out
all
the
applicable
regulations
or
the
other
way
around.
K
We
can
do
indexing
where
we
can
take
everything
that
pertains
to
a
topic
say
it's
affordable
housing
and
it
will
basically
pull
all
provisions
that
relate
to
that
topic
into
a
single
document
or
everything
that
relates
to
a
certain
district
and
pull
it
all
into
a
document.
So
a
developer
has
everything
they
need
one
spot.
K
You
know
click
here
we
can
use
frequently
asked
questions,
so
it's
just
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
people
navigate
and
find
what
they're
looking
for
in
the
shortest
amount
of
time
and
with
the
least
amount
of
pain
and
at
the
same
time
you
know
brand
brand
your
document
and
then
it's
hosted
in
the
cloud.
So
you
can
update
it
yourself
going
forward.
You
can
publish
it
out
to
the
web
yourself
going
forward.
It's
set
up
in
a
word
like
format,
so
it
doesn't
require
any
any
web
knowledge
at
all.
K
B
A
I
have
a
question:
can
you
go
into
further
detail
about
okay?
To
put
it
bluntly,
can
you
explain
how
we're
not
gonna
just
get
what
you've
already
done,
the
work
you've
done
for
littleton
and
you
just
cross
out
the
name
littleton
and
put
inglewood
at
the
top.
Can
you
go
into
further
detail
on
how
you
would
differentiate
in
the
wood
and
middleton.
D
J
Well,
first
of
all,
you
know
as
it
you
know,
as
was
laid
out
in
the
rfp,
and
you
know,
given
our
work
with
with
logan
simpson
on
the
assessment
report,
you
know
we
we
already
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
city
wants.
We,
you
know,
we
know
our
way
around
your
your
existing
code.
We
we
kind
of
have
a
a
sense
coming
in
of
the
things
the
city
wants
to
keep
and
the
things
the
city
wants
to
get
rid
of
and
the
things
the
city
wants
wants
to
modernize.
J
I
never
cut
and
paste
a
code
that
I've
done
somewhere
else
have
never
done
it
and
for
for
any
other
of
my
other
150
code
update
clients.
So
we
just
we
just
don't
work
that
way.
In
fact,
if
I
did,
it
would
ultimately
make
my
life
harder
because
it
wouldn't
be
the
code
this
city
wants
at
all.
You
know
you
wouldn't
be
very
happy
with
it,
so
we
start
out
by
outlining.
J
You
know
that
the
the
new
code
and
we
do
a
correspondence
table
so
sometimes
in
oftentimes-
and
I
anticipate
we'll-
probably
work
that
way
here.
We
we
just
start.
We
just
take
your
existing
code
and
start
rewriting,
so
we,
you
know
if
there's
a
base,
we're
building
on
it's
this
one,
but
we're
rewriting
this
code
using
modern
tools
using
you
know
our
drafting
expertise.
J
Doing
original
graphics.
Like
I
said
a
lot,
you
know
the
graphics
we
do
for
our
code
or
vector
because
we
write
are
vector
graphics,
so
they
were,
they
were
done
around
the
dimensional
standards
that
are
in
your
table,
they're,
not
just
a
graphic
we
copied
from
another
community.
So
yeah,
that's
that's
our
plan.
We
we
we
never
cut
and
paste.
We
just
don't
do
that.
J
For
there's
two
ways
I
look
at
this:
one
is
organic
sustainability.
You
know
if
we
do
what
you
know
what
was
asked
earlier.
I
think
john
asked
the
question
you
know:
how
do
we
incorporate
mixed
use
development
mixed
use,
developments
typically
more
compact?
J
It
makes
better
use
of
land,
it's
an
environment
where
people
can
walk
to
places
they
want
to
go
instead
of
having
to
drive
or
where
you
know
where
they
can
use
your
light
rail
station
and
and
use
that
to
get
to
other
places
in
the
region,
so
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
codification
and
making
that
kind
of
development
easy
is
organically,
sustainable.
It
organically
makes
better
use
of
energy
resources,
and
just
you
know,
for
just
for
environmental
protection
and
etc.
But
there
are
other
tools
we
can
build
in
as
well.
J
You
know
if
we
want
to
build
sustainability
into,
we
want
to
encourage,
for
example,
more
sustainable
landscaping,
practices,
more
sustainable
building
materials
and
food
and
so
forth.
There's
different
ways.
We
can
do
that.
You
know
one
is
an
incentive
based
system
and
we've
worked,
for
example,
in
the
dc
area,
where
we've
created
incentives
and
point
systems,
and
things
like
that.
J
You
know
where
developers
can
get
rewarded,
not
just
by
more
density
and
more
height
and
things
like
that,
because
sometimes
that's
not
the
right
tool,
it's
not
the
appropriate
tool,
and
sometimes
that's
not
even
what
developers
want
you
know
it
can
be
coverage.
It
can
be
reduction
in
minimum
parking
requirements.
I
know
that
was
a
hot
topic
in
the
in
the
assessment,
and
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
different
points
of
view
in
the
city
about
whether
we
continue
that
practice
or
not-
and
you
know
we
can.
J
We
can
tag
point
metrics
to,
for
example,
to
new
development.
If
we
want
to
be
aggressive.
You
know
golden
has
an
approach
like
that
that
we
made
part
of
the
the
draft
westminster
code
that
we're
discussing
with
them
under
and
that's
under
discussion
with
them
right
now.
So
that's
an
approach
we
can
use
if
the
city
wants
to
go
that
way,
but
you
know
looking
at
those
two
things.
The
important
thing,
too,
is
to
identify,
because
sustainability
is
a
very
you
know,
I'm
just
going
to
say
it's
kind
of
a
vague
concept.
J
Sometimes
we
really
need
to
sit
down.
You
know,
if
that's
the
approach
that
inglewood
wants
to
take,
decide
what
sustainability
means
to
englewood.
I
mean:
what
is
it
that
inglewood
wants
to
achieve
with
this
concept?
Do
you
want
to
make?
Is
it
just
making
the
community
more
walkable?
Is
it
the
other
aspects
of
green
development
that
I
mentioned?
J
Is
it
you
know
better,
better
ways
to
manage
your
landscaping
or
to
address
stormwater
issues,
and
we
had
to
make
that
list
and
then
come
up
with
the
best
tools
to
get
there
with
you,
so
that
that's
our
approach
at
the
end
of
the
day
is?
Is
you
know
the
the
first
conversation
is
is
what
does
that
whole
concept
mean
and
then
it's
identifying
those
tools.
K
B
So
we
wanted
to
leave
some
time
for
your
questions,
but
I
did
have
one
as
you
could
probably
figure
out
as
the
director
of
the
department
and
somebody
has
to
manage
our
overall
budget
and
and
that
type
of
thing.
What
maybe,
without
going
into
specifics,
not
looking
for
a
dollar
amount,
but
the
encode
add-on
or
the
encode
ability
for
us
to
incorporate.
B
K
Yeah
we
we
set
it
up
brad
so
that
there's
a
one-time
build
fee.
So
we
would
take
your
current
unified
code
and
and
migrate
it
into
the
software
building,
all
the
hover
over
pop-up
definitions
and
hyperlinks
and
style
sheets
and
all
that
type
stuff.
So
that's
a
one-time
cost,
that's
based
upon
the
number
of
pages
and
then
beyond
that
we
have
about
25
individual
features,
and
you
can
pick
and
choose
what
you
choose
to
add
and
when
you
want
to
add
them,
so
it
can
be.
K
You
know
as
little
as
a
handful
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
you
know,
low
teens
and
we've
got
some
that
you
know
have
gone
all
the
way
up
to
you
know:
30
40,
50,
60,
70
grand
when
they
take
everything
that
we
have
and
put
every
document
that
that
they
own
into
it.
It's
a
full
content
management
system,
codification
system
and
document
management.
So
in
littleton
we
put
their
entire
city
code
in
it,
we're
putting
all
the
design
guides
in
it.
K
The
engineering
design
standards
and
that
way
we
can
stitch
everything
together,
link
everything
together.
So
if
there's
references
you
can
click
and
go
right
to
them,
so
we'd
be
happy
to
kind
of
spell
that
out.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
expensive,
but
you
can
add
on
it
at
any
time.
If
you
choose
okay,.
B
J
Certainly
the
I
and
I
don't
have
that
many
since
we
we've
already
been
around
the
horn
on
the
on
the
code
assessment.
Do
you
anticipate
much
turnover
over
this
next
over
the
next
18
months
or
so
in
terms
of
staff?
The
planning
commission,
your
your
city
council,
going
forward.
B
Well,
I
think
that's
a
completely
unpredictable
question
to
definitively
answer.
As
far
as
the
staff
is
concerned,
I
think
we've
been
in
place
for
for
a
decent
amount
of
time
here,
and
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
commitment
on
our
staff
to
the
future
of
this
community.
I
would
say
that
our
project
manager
for
this
project
wade
burkholder,
is
not
with
us.
B
This
evening
he
was
called
out
of
town
to
attend
to
a
family
matter,
so
he
he
will
be
back
next
week
and
taking
control
of
the
project,
as
I
neglected
to
mention
that
at
the
beginning,
as
far
as
the
planning
commission,
you
know
they
they
are
on
a
rotational
basis
as
well,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
new
members
that
I
think
have
been
appointed
in
the
last
year
or
so
that'll
be
a
good
long
tenure
for
this
project
and
beyond
city
council.
B
We
do
have
an
election
this
november
and
there
are
several
seats
that
are
that
are
up.
One
of
those
members
has
turned
out
our
mayor,
linda
olson,
has
has
served
her
full
compliment
of
terms,
so
he'll
definitely
be
one
new
member
and
there's
quite
certainly
could
be
more
if
some
others
choose
not
to
run
or,
if
there's
other
candidates.
But
so
we
will
have
a
new
council
in
mid-november
to
to
work
with
on
this
project,
to
see
it
through.
J
Great
thanks
brad,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Do
you
all
have
any
questions?
J
K
B
Well,
thank
you
all
again
to
to
mark
to
brett
to
jen
melissa
reese.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
We
appreciate
your
presentation.
It
was
very
informative.
B
We
appreciate
the
the
good
questions
that
you
asked
of
us,
and
so,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
excusing
yourselves
at
this
point,
if
the
committee
could
stay
on
for
a
few
minutes,
we
have
a
few
wrap-up
discussions
to
have
so
again.
Thank
you
very
much,
we'll
be
in
touch
with
you
soon.
Thanks.
B
So
what
we
won't
do
tonight
is
ask
you
to
do
your
scoresheets
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
in
the
in
the
15
or
so
minutes
that
we
have
left
scheduled
to
just
maybe
turn
it
over
to
you
all
at
this
point
to
see,
if
you
have
any
initial
reactions
in
terms
of
the
strengths
and
and
challenges
of
some
of
the
groups
or
both
of
the
groups
or
hopefully,
if
you
have
some
observations,
we'd
love
to
hear
them,
and
even
if
you
have
some
preferences
we'd
like
to
to
know
that
this
evening,
so
we
could
be
timely
as
we
can
going
forward.
B
H
B
A
K
Gold
evans
was
both
better
prepared
and
better
at
the
reactionary.
You
know
both
the
questions
they
answered.
A
And
the
questions
that
they
asked,
you
know
in
my
line
of
work,
a
word
we
use.
A
lot
is
hungry.
You
know
who
is
more
hungry
between
two
two
companies
competing.
You
know
who.
I
Yeah
and
I
noticed
that
gold
evan's
team
that
they
included
someone
who
is
going
to
be
able
to
advise
on
economic
feasibility
and
and
some
of
the
redevelopment
issues
that
were
called
out
in
rfp-
and
I
didn't
see
quite
anything
like
that
on
the
other
team
as
well,
and
I
also
noticed
the
gould
evans
team
had
identified
some
specific
staff
that
had
maybe
more
of
the
the
design
and
graphic
capability
than
they
did
on
the
other
team,
although
I
think
they
both
had
it,
but
they
definitely
had
a
better.
I
They
had
more
to
say
about
their
approach,
not
just
that
it'd
be
vector-based,
but
about
showing
context,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
there
were
definitely
some
distinctive
things
about
that.
First
team:
okay,
thank.
A
You
amy,
I
I
agree
with
both
of
those
previous
comments.
I
had
the
same
impression
from
gould
evans
about
the
specificity
and
clarity
of
their
responses.
I
don't
mind
telling
you
that
I
was
partial
to
the
to
their
responses
as
well.
I
think
they
share
a
similar
philosophy
that
I
do
about
the
vision
of
of
inglewood
and
how
to
implement
this
type
of
project.
A
A
I
would
agree
with
both
both
of
the
comments
already
made
and
I
was
particularly
struck
by
matt
on
golden
evans
team
that
it's
important
to
explain
the.
Why?
Behind
the
code,
I
think
that's
very
important,
because
we
do
have
a
quite
opinionated
committed
community
and
going
into
and
being
willing
to
acknowledge
that
the.
Why
is
a
very
important
part
of
any
part
of
change?
A
I
I
give
them
a
heads
up.
I
also
kind
of
felt
like
you
did
know
that
white
and
smith
felt
it
felt
to
me
like
they
felt
like
they
had
an
upper
hand
because
they
worked
with
the
city
so
much
before,
and
maybe
weren't
as
individualized
in
their
presentation
as
golden
evans.
So
thank
you.
A
I
really
liked
golden
evans,
simple
logical,
practical
approach
to
how
they
would
go
about
it,
just
starting
very
simple.
Without
they
said
I
would
start
with
the
full
of
contents
and
going
from
there
and
mapping
what's
in
the
existing
code,
to
what
would
be
a
new
code
and
those
sorts
of
ways
to
go
about
it.
H
So
it's
more
inclusive
to
the
community
and
another
thing
that
I
wrote
down
like
about
the
bulk
plane,
for
example,
and
then
I
also
like
their
like
local
and
collaborative
approach
that
they
seemed
excited
to
come
out
here
from
missouri
to
visit
colorado
and
also
they
seemed
excited
that
zoom
was
an
opportunity
to
meet
even
more
so
I
just
I
was
impressed
by
them
overall.
A
Yeah
I,
when
I
listen
to
golden
evans,
my
impression
overall
was
they
seemed
great.
Like
I
didn't,
I
didn't
find
anything
that
stood
out
to
me
as
a
negative.
It
wasn't
until
about
halfway
through
the
second
group
that
was
like
I
don't
know
they
don't
seem
to
quite
be
like
forward
thinking
it
they.
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
say
this,
but
they
almost
seem
old-school
in
the
way
that
and
and
the
question
those
asked
of
both
groups
about
sustainability
seem
to
throw
them
off
and
be
more
like.
A
Well,
what
do
you
guys
want,
as
opposed
to
yes,
which
golden
evans
was
very
much
like?
Yes,
this
is
interwoven
into
everything
that
we
do
and
that
I
thought
was
really
important.
So
I
know
everyone
is
kind
of
going
in
that
direction,
but
I
agree
with
everyone
that,
by
the
end
of
it
I
was
very
clear.
Golden
evans
was
my
preference.
A
On
I
I
didn't
have
a
I
came
in
late
on
the
meeting.
I
had
a
old
friend
had
a
death
in
his
family,
so
I
was
kind
of
I
didn't
think
I
was
going
to
actually
make
the
meeting
that
came
in
kind
of
late
and
but
I
was
pretty
impressed
with
with
the
way
they
made
their
presentations,
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
really
have
a
opinion
on
either
one
okay,
it's
not
one
over
the
other,
because
I
didn't
really
the
first
one
that
much
sorry
about
that.
B
Well
I'll
just
weigh
in
I
I
I
think
the
consensus
is
pretty
strong
here
as
well
on
our
staff
in
terms
of
the
the
qualities
that
golden
evans
showed.
I
I
know
I
like
the
idea
of
the
the
hunger
I
thought
that
was
that
was
readily
apparent.
I
also
appreciated
their
their
willingness
to
engage
at
the
levels
we
need
them
to
over
time.
Kate,
you
mentioned
going
that
extra
step
with
the
meetings.
B
I
think
that's
huge
for
us
to
know
that
we
would
have
that
resource
available,
so
the
other
thing
is
is
just
getting
out
in
the
community.
That
was
that
was
said
as
well,
and
I
think
also
looking
at
requisite
examples
in
real
time
and
that
might
that
might
involve
some
field
trips.
You
know,
I
think
that
would
be
really
really
interesting
and
also
taking
a
look
at
things
that
that
are
maybe
working
here
in
this
community.
B
A
May
I
ask
a
question
of
course,
so
my
question
is
about
question
number
10
and
it
may
be
moot
since
we
do
seem
to
have
a
consensus
at
this
point,
but
I
feel,
like
the
applicants,
responded
to
this
question
in
two
different
ways.
So
it's
the
question
about
modernization.
A
How
would
you
mod
modernize
the
current
code-
and
I
interpreted
it-
to
mean
how
would
you
modernize
the
content
or
context
of
the
code
and
that's
how
gould
evans
responded
and
I
feel
like
white
and
smith
responded
to
how
would
you
modernize
the
platform
for
the
code?
Did
anyone
else
have
that
perception?
Did
I
misinterpret
the
spirit
of
the
question?
I
just
wanted
to
open
it
up
for
a
dialogue
and
and
see
what
people
thought.
I
Yeah,
I
was
really
impressed
by
gould
evans
answer
on
that
one
just
because
it
did
seem
to
tie
back
to
the
comp
plan,
which
is
really
interesting
and
it
did
seem
to
just
say
it
depends
on
the
section
that
we're
talking
about,
and
it
was
about.
The
content
which
I
feel
like
is
what
we're
about
here.
Yeah
and
I
don't
know
about
getting
up
sold
on
a
platform.
If
that's
what
we
were
looking
for.
A
Yeah
I
had
actually
written
down.
Are
they
answering
the
question
and
as
they
went
on,
I
realized
oh
they're
answering
a
different
question,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know
what
the
intent
was,
but
nonetheless
I
would
have
answered
it
the
same
as
gould
evans
and
that
group
answered
the
question
I
had
in
my
mind.
K
A
That's
a
very
good
point:
no
because
you're
right,
if
we
can,
if
we
rely
on
a
proprietary
system,
you
know
you
either
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
on
your
own
or
or
you
know
your
stock.
I
I
mean
the
one
thing
I'll
say
about
white
and
smith:
is
that
with
logan
simpson
on
their
team,
it
did
seem
like
they
were
more
prepared
to
talk
about
bang
the
table.
But
I
did
really
like
what
what
the
gold
evans
team
talked
about
in
terms
of
video
and
what
that
could
bring.
So.
A
K
The
fewest
key
components
and
do
those
well,
I
really
like
that
kind
of
you
know
really
shoot
for
what
you're
aiming
for
and
and
the
rest
kind
of
will
follow.
E
E
H
Whole
piece
of
their
presentation
was
to
simplify
and
achieve
the
objectives
simply
illustrate
and
document,
not
overly
technical,
illustrate
through
design,
visual
review,
review
versus
technical
descriptions
and
then
also
visit
the
neighborhoods
and
engage
with
the
broader
group
people.
I
think
all
of
that
was
pretty
powerful.
B
Okay,
well,
obviously,
there's
a
pretty
strong
consensus
here
for
for
the
the
gold
evans
group
and
we
will
definitely
head
in
that
direction.
That
being
said,
you
have
one
other
important
assignment.
That's
related
to
this
part
of
the
process,
which
is
it
would
help
us
greatly.
If
each
of
you
and
and
carl
I
understand-
maybe
we
could
excuse
you
because
you
did
miss
a
significant
portion
of
it.
So
it'd
be
hard
to
do
the
comparison
on
your
part.
B
But
I
appreciate
your
comments
tonight,
but
if
those
of
you
who
were
here
for
the
entirety,
if
you
could
complete
those
two
score
sheets
and
email
them,
hopefully
sometime
tomorrow
to
nancy
fenton
and
she's
nfenton
inglewoodco.gov,
that
would
really
help
us
and
especially
help
our
procurement
department
to
make
sure
that
we
followed
the
process
that
we
anticipated
this
evening
and
that
we
had
a
really
good
cross-section
of
folks
from
the
community
to
to
do
this
scoring
and
to
select
the
firm
that
we
will
go
forward
with.
B
But
we
clearly
heard
your
consensus
we'll
definitely
head
in
that
direction.
But
if
you
could
do
that
sometime
between
this
evening
and
tomorrow
afternoon,
it
would
help
us
greatly
so
with
that
we
can
wrap
up
for
this
evening
on
behalf
of
the
staff.
Just
want
to
really
appreciate
your
time
this
evening.
Hopefully
you
got
energized.
B
I
certainly
did
by
both
presentations
and
now
the
fund
can
start
in
about
hopefully
a
month
or
so
when
we
have
our
our
firm
under
contract,
and
we
could
start
to
really
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
this,
and
I
just
want
to
say
you
know,
for
the
planning
commissioners
who
are
here
and
the
steering
commissioners
who
are
appointed
or
steering
committee
members
who
are
appointed
by
council,
we're
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
on
this
project.
It
is
of
supreme
importance
to
the
future
of
the
community.
B
So
we
appreciate
your
commitment
to
to
going
forward
with
us.
So
if
there
are
not
any
other
questions
or
comments,
go
for
it
christine.
B
I'm
going
to
discuss
that
with
wade
in
terms
of
the
going
forward.
The
next
process
that
will
kind
of
happen
is
the
staff
will
work
on
the
contract
and
the
scope
of
services
with
the
select
consultant,
and
we
need
to
get
this
approved
by
the
city
council,
because
it's
over
our
threshold
for
what
staff
can
approve
administratively.
B
We
actually
have
to
take
that
to
the
city
council
and
that
will
hopefully
happen
in
the
next
month
or
so
so
once
we
have,
the
the
contract
approved.
We'll
definitely
be
in
touch
with
everybody
about
the
schedule
for
going
forward.
A
B
I
would
say,
probably
well
we're
meeting
according
to
the
to
the
planning
commission
schedule,
even
though
these
meetings
are
not
meetings
of
the
planning
commission
they'll
be
every
other
tuesday,
and
we
can
talk
about
the
times
as
we
go
forward,
but
for
a
couple
hours,
as
the
planning
commission
schedule
permits
them
to
to
operate
so,
hopefully,
as
very
soon
after
that
contract
is
is,
is
settled
we
can
get
on
that
next
rotation
of
the
first
and
third
tuesdays
in
the
in
the
month
is,
I
think,
the
plan
at
this
point,
but
I
do
want
to
confer
with
wade
when
he's
back.
A
Good
brad,
so
I'm
clear,
is
city
council
going
to
look
at
the
tape
of
this
meeting
or
is
our
you
know
our
joint
decision
between
staff
and
and
this
group
going
to
be
the
recommendation
to
city
council.
B
A
A
Right,
could
I
interject
for
a
second
of
course,
so,
based
on
the
sorry,
the
tentative
schedule
that
wade
had
developed,
he
was
planning
on
july
7th
just
to
do
a
udc
overview
before
the
contract
was
finalized,
so
that
christine
to
answer
your
question,
probably
the
earliest
will
be
july.
7Th,
hey,
okay,.