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A
Have
some
question
and
answer
time
with
karen
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
to
chris
brewster
from
gould
evans
and
we
and
possibly
matt.
I
see
matt's
online
tonight
as
well,
so
we'll
continue
our
discussion
on
the
high
level
topics
of
sustainability,
as
we've
been
doing
the
high
level
discussions
on
the
other
topics
leading
up
tonight.
B
B
It
does
require
a
pre-designed
site
inventory
of
the
of
the
parcel
that
would
be
under
construction,
looking
at
any
of
the
natural
resources
and
finding
out
whether
those
need
to
be
protected
or
not.
Once
again,
since
inglewood
is
pretty
much
built
out,
this
doesn't
apply
quite
as
much
as
it
would
for
another
jurisdiction.
B
B
It
also
looks
at
the
mitigating
the
heat
island
effect.
You
know
we
all
have
been
out
on
a
parking
lot
and
just
felt
that
heat
that's
coming
up
from
there,
so
the
green
building
code
looks
at
that
looks
at
providing
shading
by
either
trees
or
by
the
structures
themselves,
but
it
also
requires
that
the
structure
within
10
years
have
shading
as
well
as
you
can
see.
30
of
an
east
or
west
wall
would
need
to
be
shaded
either
by
some
man-made
structure
or
by
vegetation.
B
Part
of
the
green
construction
code
is
also
looking
at
pedestrian
walkways.
Bicycle
pass
parking
also
looking
for
site
vehicle
provisions
for
electric
vehicles
or
smart
way,
vehicles,
basically
providing
preferred
parking
spaces
requiring
a
certain
amount
of
parking
spaces
meet
charging
requirements
for
electric
vehicles.
B
Also,
it
looks
at
water
use
efficiency,
mostly
through
landscape
design.
You
know,
a
big
portion
of
our
water
usage
goes
into
landscaping,
and
so
it
looks
at
how
to
you
know,
reduce
the
the
amount
of
water
that
needs
to
be
done
used
to
maintain
landscaping,
but
also
requires
the
landscaping
to
eliminate
some
of
that
heat
island
effect.
B
During
construction,
it
looks
at
the
waste
management
coming
off
a
construction
site
during
demolition,
as
well
as
during
construction,
trying
to
keep
that
material
from
ending
up
in
landfills,
we're
starting
to
see
more
and
more
instances
where
things
are
done
off-site.
So
an
example.
This
would
be
swedish
hospital,
so
their
bathroom
units
they're
doing
those
off-site,
and
so
they
build
it
off-site
they
come
in
and
they're
going
to.
B
You
know,
put
it
install
it
by
cranes
and
it
eliminates
the
waste
because
when
it's
done
off-site
everything
is,
you
know
measured
out
much
more
carefully
when
you're
on
site,
you
know
you've
seen
the
waste
from
a
construction
site.
You
know
we
measured
this
wrong,
we
toss
it,
but
when
it's
off-site
it's
it's
much
more
detailed.
B
B
B
B
Denver
has
adopted
it,
but
they
use
it
more
for
very
large
projects
and
they
provide
financial
incentives
for
companies
or
for
developers
that
utilize,
the
green
construction
code
same
can
be
said
for
some
of
the
other
jurisdictions.
Many
places
are
just
choosing
to,
rather
than
adopt
the
green
construction
code
adopt
green
codes
within
their
their
current
codes.
So
part
of
you
know
the
uniform
development
code,
some
things
within
the
building
codes,
some
things
within
perhaps
engineering
or
stormwater
management
codes.
B
C
B
B
Through
this,
we'd
have
to
coordinate
with
several
departments,
including
the
planning
zoning
side,
look
at
storm
water
management
and
water
usage,
part
of
the
green
building
code.
They
actually
encourage
the
the
use
of
you
know:
collecting
rain
water.
Well,
as
we
know
in
colorado,
that's
not
allowable
by
law
for
commercial
buildings.
It
is
allowed
for
residential.
B
Looking
a
lot
at
the
energy
codes
and
adding
some
additional
green
codes
or
stretch
codes
is
actually
what
they're
referred
to
within
their
existing
codes
and,
like
I
said
again,
they
have
adopted
the
green
code,
but
not
as
a
mandatory
code,
and
it
is
for
very
specific
projects.
They
actually
assign
one
person
to
work
through
that
project
from
beginning
to
end
and
coordinate
everything,
so
it
has
to
meet
certain
limits
as
far
as
size
and
costs,
and
that
is
pretty
much
all
I
have
on
all
my
slides
here.
B
D
B
B
B
B
E
So
there's
some
confusion
or
not,
there's
not
clarity.
There
would
you
be
making
recommendations
that
we
modify
some
of
the
permitted
uses
for
commercial
areas
or
light
industrial
areas.
I
guess
I
I'm
not
fully
clear
on
what
our
as
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
doing
this
rewrite
what
you
need
from
us
to
consider
in
support
of
your
green
code.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
answer
to
that
right
now,
but
I
don't
have
clarity
on
that.
B
Maybe
those
parking
requirements
of
how
many
spaces
need
to
be
ev
or
how
many
you
know
need
to
be
preferred
parking
or
and
do
that
by
by
project.
Much
like
your
parking
regulations
are
now
you
know,
an
apartment.
Complex
is
going
to
have
different
parking
requirements
than
a
light
industrial
building,
and
so
it
might
be
better
to
do
those
numbers
within
the
planning
and
zoning
side
with
the
actual
inspection
and
everything
of
that
of
everything
on
the
building
side,
so
that
the
two
would
actually
work
together.
E
B
F
Sir,
I
was
just
going
to
say
kind
of
in
response
to
judy's
question
the
things
that
I
see
would
be
incorporating
those
suggested
elements
around
landscaping
and
where
landscaping
would
be
located.
I
don't
remember
in
the
1500
page
long
code
with
landscaping
how
like
what
exactly
it
says.
You
know,
I
know
that
there's
a
requirement
for
x
amount
of
x
amount
of
landscaping
and
then
there's
usually
a
plant
palette
and
things
like
that.
But
are
we
putting?
Are
we
you
know?
Not?
F
Are
we
working
with
whoever's,
building
to
basically
put
the
right
kind
of
tree
in
the
right
place
to
really
be
able
to?
Then
you
know
mitigate
heat
island
and
things
like
that.
So
are
there
things
that
we
could
do
in
the
code
or
are
there
ways
that,
if
you
were
going
to
do
like
a
pud
and
there's
more
room
for
negotiation
that
you
could
reduce
landscaping
over
here,
but
just
make
sure
it's
all
in
the
places
that
it's
really
going
to
have
the
biggest
amount
of
impact?
F
You
did
sorry,
I
was
just
wondering:
is
this?
Has
the
city
considered
like?
Is
there
any
kind
of
modeling
or
things
that
you
know
it's
great
to
have
the
building
code
and
each
building
will
make
an
impact?
But
it's
sort
of
like
how
many
buildings
do?
We
need
to
have
doing
this
to
really
make
an
impact
and
make
a
difference,
and
so
I
didn't
know
if
the
city
had
done
any
modeling
or
things
like
that
in
terms
of
what
would
be
the
impact
of
you
know,
implementing
this
building
code.
B
B
You
know,
and
it's
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
sustainability.
You
know
they're
talking
about
doing
total
electrification,
but
then
you
also
have
the
issue.
Can
the
infrastructure
sustain
that?
So
you
have
to
work
with
like
excel
energy,
to
see
where
they're
at
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
play
into
it.
B
I
know
some
some
jurisdictions
are
requiring
that
you
know
you
they
just
don't
do
gas-fired
appliances
that
they
strictly
do
electric,
but
then
he
also
you
know:
where
do
you
where
you
come?
What
do
you
do
with
existing
housing
and
when
do
you
require
them
to
upgrade,
or
do
you
set
a
certain?
You
know
age
limit
about
the
home
or
where
do
you
draw
the
lines
on
those.
A
G
So
just
a
reminder:
this
is
one
of
a
series
of
our
our
high
level
topic,
so
we're
on
our
third
substantive
one
now
on
sustainability
for
tonight,
and
then
the
upcoming
ones
again
parking
walkability
street
design,
walkability.
We
covered
our
last
meetings
and
then
over
the
next
few
meetings
or
several
meetings
we'll
be
getting
into
the
neighborhood
housing
issues.
G
So
we're
just
not
there
yet,
and
these
are
preliminary
conversations
that
are
really
helpful,
particularly
for
us
to
get
oriented
to
your
situation,
your
issues
and
your
policies.
But
you
know
reminder
on
this
schedule.
We
we
won't
begin
drafting
anything
that
phase
three
part
till
at
least
after
the
first
of
the
year,
so
we
just
want
to
get
a
handle
on
these
these
issues
and
make
sure
we're
getting
all
the
information
coordinated.
So
we
can
make
informed
decisions.
G
So
what
is
sustainability?
We,
when
we
do
development
codes,
we're
always
orienting
them
back
to
your
plans
and
policies.
So
this
is
an
excerpt
from
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
sustainability
plan.
Just
recently
adopted
has
10
major
goal
areas.
Each
of
those
goal
areas
has
some
very
specific
programmatic
things.
G
How
we
view
sustainability
for
this
project
or
at
least
how
we
begin
discussing
it.
Obviously,
the
comprehensive
plan,
many
of
those
high
level
sustainable
issues.
You
know
making
sure
your
community
is
resilient,
making
sure
your
walkable
mixed
use,
productive,
using
land
resources
as
efficiently
as
you
can
investing
in
infrastructure
that
sustains
development
and
productivity.
G
Those
all
of
those
big
picture
things
we
plan
on,
addressing,
not
necessarily
because
of
your
sustainability
policies,
but
because
your
land
use
and
development
policies
are
driving.
You
that
way,
making
walking,
biking
and
transit
the
norm
and
putting
more
mixed-use
mixed
density
patterns
in
to
let
places
be
invested
in
for
the
long
haul,
making
sure
buildings
and
sites
are
invested
in
for
the
for
multiple
different
uses
over
time.
G
When
we
get
further
into
the
code
assessment
that
you
recently
did
there's
some
very
specific
things
on
sustainability
and
green
infrastructure,
we
want
to
be
paying
attention
to
and
then
again
the
strategic
plan.
That's
on
the
right
there.
Many
of
those
things
were
the
plug-in
for
that
sustainability
plan
that
that
was
on
the
previous
slide
and
and
again
from
that
list.
You
can
see
a
lot
of
things
that
are
development
related.
G
The
other
next
level
down
is.
We
can
promote
it,
make
sure
that
the
development
code
is
setting
up
incentives
that
make
the
right
choice
easier.
That
perhaps
make
the
right
choice.
Have
some
other
tangential
benefits
or
that
just
makes
the
right
choice,
coordinate
with
other
things
that
are
possibilities,
so
it's
it's
an
option,
but
it
comes
with
benefits
beyond
just
simply
doing
it.
G
The
third
level
down
is
just
simply
enable
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
code
isn't
inadvertently
or
or
maybe
even
due
to
competing
priorities,
making
sustainable
choices,
not
possible.
That's
often
the
case,
or
if
codes
are
silent
to
things
oftentimes,
they
may
not
being
done
be
being
done
just
because
of
not
paying
attention
to
it.
So
the
codes
can
do
a
lot,
even
when
things
aren't
required
to
simply
remove
barriers
and
enable
them,
and
then
the
last
one
is
a
lot
of
where
we
plug
into
karen's
conversation
as
well.
G
Although
she
was
listing
many
things
that
are
directly
development
code
related,
there's
other
things
that
are
building
code
related,
there's
other
things
that
are
operational
or
policy
level
related.
So
the
development
code
should
also
coordinate
and
make
sure
we're
leveraging
those
non-development
code
issues.
So
again,
we'll
come
back
to
these
often
and
we'll
come
back
to
these,
even
in
non-sustainability
issues.
G
You
all
that
obviously
think
about
these
issues
often
and
are
experienced
with
them.
So
we
may
be
missing
things
I'll,
probably
leave
this
slide
up
for
a
bulk
of
the
discussion
to
to
see
where
we're
at
on
some
of
these,
but
energy
use
transportation
habits.
Some
of
those
big
picture
things
that
that
really
have
you
know
one
of
the.
I
guess
I
should
back
up
a
minute.
One
of
the
anecdotes
we've
heard
from
the
planning
profession
is,
you
know
the
our.
G
Most
of
it
comes
from
where
you
put
the
building,
how
you
get
there,
how
you
use
it
and
access
it,
and
that's
70
percent,
and
that's
in
the
planning
realm,
so
that
number's,
anecdotal
and
I've
seen
some
studies
of
it.
But
the
idea
is
the
transportation
habits
and
the
and
some
of
the
things
about
getting
two
locations
and
all
of
those
things
that
are
inherent
in
your
plan
are
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
a
lot
of
sustainability
goals
anyway.
G
But
there's
certainly
things
to
be
thinking
about
under
those
to
make
sure
we're
promoting
them.
Energy
use
is
an
interesting
one.
A
lot
of
things
karen
talked
about
were
energy
used
from
everything
from
how
you
design
and
orient
your
site
to
take
advantage
of
passive
heating
and
cooling
to
things
as
of
what
kind
of
appliances
are
going
into
buildings,
so
some
things
clearly
in
the
development
code
realm
other
things
clearly
not
in
the
development
code
realm,
and
how
do
we
filter
those?
G
In
the
other
sense,
we've
already
had
some
preliminary
discussions
on
hey.
If
someone
invests
in
solar,
do
we
need
to
protect
their
access
to
solar
and
where
trees
might
be
viewed
as
a
negative
in
some
of
those
cases,
so
some
of
those
things
will
be
very
site
specific
on
what's
the
right
solution,
but
we
know
going
into
the
code,
we
know
we'll
be
able
to
help
balance
and
make
those
choices
and
help
prioritize.
G
Some
of
those
things
water,
obviously
front
range
water,
is
top
of
mind
all
the
time
and
karen
did
an
excellent
job
of
hitting
some
of
the
issues
and
some
of
the
complexities
of
that
one
of
the
easiest
things.
I
think
that
we
will
we
we
will
be
able
to
do,
and
there
were
some
interesting
numbers
that
were
coming
out
of
the
green
construction
code
about
irrigation,
but
the
front
range
is
full
of
good
models
and
good
data
on
xeric
standards
for
landscape.
G
The
you
know
the
things
that
water,
the
waterwise
program,
that
the
denver
council,
regional
governments
puts
out,
they're
really
excellent
guides,
and
they
they
actually
have
a
really
great
and
high
level
design
element
to
them.
It's
not
about
you
know
when
some
of
those
things
first
came
out,
it
was
people
had
an
aversion,
maybe
to
them,
but
they're
very
at
least
for
me,
from
an
outsider.
G
The
bottom
category
are
things
that
are
more
about
mitigation.
Karen
mentioned
lighting
and
light
pollution,
which
are
a
concern
in
in
places
making
sure
we're
using
energy
efficient
lighting
for
lighting
outdoor
those
things
all
are
implicated
by
the
development
code.
Even
though
some
might
get
into
technical
and
construction
specifications,
we
can
certainly
begin
to
start
set
standards
and
benchmarks
for
that.
Some
of
the
storm
water
issues,
tree
protection
mentioned
trees
up
in
the
energy
use
and
passive
heat
and
cooling.
G
Then
things
about
preserving
habitat
or
restoring
and
and
remediation
if
there's
any
brownfield
sites,
some
of
those
things
that
jumped
up
on
karen's
site
selection
provisions
for
the
the
green
construction
code
kind
of
circling
around.
I
I
skipped
over
a
little
bit
on
the
building
performance
and
construction.
G
A
lot
of
those
are
usually
the
ones
that
are
more
squarely
and
directly
related
to
the
building
code
and
not
not
so
much
in
the
development
code,
but
they
are
things
where
we
look
for
standards.
That
would
somehow
be
viewed
as
an
impediment
to
achieving
these,
whether
it's
the
energy
efficiency
of
the
building
itself,
whether
it's.
How
do
we
have
a
list
of
materials
that
are
regionally
appropriate,
low
construction?
G
H
H
H
H
G
Yeah
I'll
just
chime
in
quickly
and
then,
if
karen,
has
more
information
from
that
provision
from
the
green
construction
code.
I
know
the
the
water
wise
models
that
dr
cog
puts
out
and
the
xeric
standards
do
talk
about
both
things
you
mentioned.
One
is
do
do
we
limit
and-
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
kind
of
shows
the
complexity
of
it.
We
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
come
up
with
a
a
number.
G
So,
for
example,
the
one-third
one-third
may
be
not
substantial
and
a
good
benchmark
for
a
small
site.
One-Third
could
be
a
huge
area
for
a
large
site,
and
you
don't
want
that
irrigated
as
well.
If
it's
not
serving
a
function,
so
just
determining
what
that
number
is
to
to
can
be
a
little
bit
tricky.
G
But
the
principle
of
we
want
to
reduce
the
amount
of
irrigated
landscape
is
a
a
good
starting
point
and
then
the
second
thing
you
mentioned
is-
and
it's
it's
very
easy-
then
to
go:
okay
based
on
our
region
and
our
climate.
What
are
the
things
that
that
won't
survive
without
irrigation
and
let's
kind
of
nix
those
off
and
make
sure
we're
prioritizing
things
that
will
survive
through
low
water
periods?
And
things
like
that,
so
those
models
are,
will
be
what
we
will
go
to
to
try
to
incorporate
some
of
those
into
your
landscape
standards.
C
F
If
the
city
were
in
to
invest
in
more
gray
water
systems
or
like
in
denver
and
other
cities,
you
see
the
purple
boxes,
which
is
reclaimed
water
that
then
can
be
used
for
irrigation
that
that
it
sounds
like
you
could
use
that,
and
that
would
you
know
it
would
be
less
water
intensive
and
wouldn't
take
away
from
your
drinking
water
system.
I
guess
to
be
able
to
irrigate
a
site
but
yeah.
It's
super
important,
especially
trying
to
grow
trees
and
things
and
get
getting
them
established.
F
B
Sorry,
I
can't
find
my
little
hand
to
raise
my
hand
but
yeah
the
green,
dolly
code.
It
does
talk
about
the
water
usage
in
reusing
water,
doing
the
non-potable.
That
would
be
something
we
would
have
to
work
with
utilities
and
waste.
You
know
wastewater
and
everything
as
to
what
can
be
used
and
what
can't
be,
I
know,
and
I
it
may
have
changed.
The
city
did
not
allow
the
use
of
grey
water
so
that
that's
something
that
could
be
looked
at.
D
D
Another
thing
I
heard
mentioned,
oh
repeatedly
by
council,
was
the
idea
of
a
menu
of
options
where
some
things
would
be
mandatory,
and
perhaps
large
projects
would
have
to
get
say
a
certain
number
of
points
from
some
other
things
to
give
buildings
owners.
Sorry,
builders,
flexibility
for
how
they
how
they
would
meet
some
of
these
standards
and
I'd
heard
council
mention
golden
a
lot.
Is
one
option
for
how
to
do
that,
and
it
does
seem
like
golden-
has
some
really
good
ideas
in
their
list?
They
structure
it
that
way
too.
F
Is
you
know
if
you
there's
a
new
tool
that
came
out
of
the
tree
equity
score
tool
that
looks
at
all
these
different
census
blocks
and
neighborhoods
and
cities
around
the
country
and
scores
them
in
terms
of
tree
equity?
And
if
you
have
that
shade,
canopy
cover
and
kind
of
preparation
for
those
high
heat
days
and
inglewood
like
if
you
look
up
in
the
north
west
corner
of
inglewood,
that
area
like
around
zuni
street,
it
has
an
ec
tree
equity
score
of
26.
F
G
Yeah,
I
think-
and
I
think
my
immediate
reaction
to
that
one.
It
does
bring
challenges
to
have
different
standards
in
different
parts,
but
one
of
the
things
I
think
you're
hitting
on
with
regard
to
landscape
and
the
tree
canopy
and
tree
protection,
and
is
that
it's
very
easy
to
to
to
establish
benchmarks
and
then,
if
there
is
a
requirement,
if
you've
already,
if
you're
already
at
that
benchmark,
you
don't
have
a
you,
don't
have
anything
to
plan.
So
it's
a
way
to
have
everyone
on
the
same
standard.
G
But
if
you're
deficient,
you
need
to
plant
it
as
part
of
your
site,
plan
and
landscape.
If
you
don't,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
giving
credit
to
existing
vegetation.
So
that's
the
only
thing
that
jumped
to
my
mind
regarding
that
comment,
but
that's
some
really
interesting
data
that
we're
going
to
want
to
take
a
look
at.
C
H
H
England,
parkway
and
if
you
have
a
walkway,
that's
going
through
there
you're
going
to
have
ice
on
the
walkway
in
the
winter
part
of
the
winter
time.
Solar
rights
is
a
huge
thing
and
it's
getting
bigger
and
bigger
all
the
time
having
having.
If
you
want
to
put
up
solar
panels
or
just
have
the
melting
of
the
snow
in
the
winter
time.
That's
that's
a
big
issue.
C
Michelle,
I
am
unaware
well
driving
around
the
city
of
englewood.
It
doesn't
appear
many
times
that
homeowners
are,
you
know,
investing
in
their
trees,
there's
a
lot
of
dead
trees.
Things
like
that,
and
I
don't
know
the
code
well
enough.
Is
there
something
in
code
enforcement
there
where
people
could
be
homeowners
could
be
asked
to
please
you
know
prune
their
trees
and
things
like
that,
so
that
we
keep
our
canopy
healthy.
I
G
Yeah
and
I'll
kind
of
just
tag
on
from
looking
at
other
cities
codes
and
working
on
these
projects
that
that
is
usually
where
we
would
see
something
like
that.
There's
kind
of
three
ways
to
think
about
that
issue
you
brought
up
one
is:
is
it
a
general
property
maintenance
code,
ish
problem
where
you
know
if
it
becomes
such
a
problem?
There
are
things
probably
in
just
the
general
property
maintenance
code,
or
you
know
public
health
safety
issues
about
the
tree.
G
That
could
require
some
kind
of
cleanup
or
remediation,
but
it
may
not
necessarily
protect
the
tree.
The
second
level
is
kind
of
what
wade's
or
brook's
talking
about
that
through
requiring
existing
trees
to
be
protective.
You
have
kind
of
two
aspects
of
that.
One:
existing
trees
need
to
be
protected.
G
G
The
question
is:
is
there
enough
staffing
power
to
go
out
and
enforce
and
inspect,
and
do
all
that
and
I'll
just
be
honest
that
most
times
there
isn't
most
times
in
the
city,
we're
on
call
planners
for
a
number
of
cities,
and-
and
we
don't
have
the
time,
but
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
as
complaints
come
in,
we
can
go
enforce
them
on
a
complaint
basis
when
things
get
particularly
bad.
So
those
are
just
the
three
ways
I
think
of
getting
at
your
your
issue.
G
First,
first
brush
is
just
general
property.
Maintenance.
Second
level
would
be
if
there's
a
tree
protection
standard.
The
third
level
is,
if
we've
done,
that
through
a
site
plan
approval,
we
should
at
least
have
a
hook
to
go
back
and
and
make
sure
that
they're
keeping
what
was
approved
through
a
site
plan
approval
up
to
up
to
par.
C
A
And
it's
something
that
we
really
can't
consider
the
way
a
lot
of
the
criteria
are
written
right
now,
and
so,
if
tree
protection
is
a
big
deal,
I
mean
this
is
something
that
happens
a
lot
more.
I
think,
then
we
get
a
lot
more
additions
and
and
major
things
happening
on
people's
existing
properties
and
if
we
can
encourage
tree
protection
and
that
way
I
think
that'd
be
really
helpful.
At
least
clarity
for
for
our
board.
I
I
One
of
the
biggest
right
now
is
the
emerald
ash
borer
and-
and
so
we
should
be
discouraging
planting
of
certain
types
of
trees
and
encouraging
the
planting
of
others.
So
I
do
think
there
is
certainly
room
in
the
code
for
better
practices
with
planting
of
trees,
preservation
of
trees,
maintenance
of
trees
and
chris's
right
enforcement
is
always
a
big
issue,
but
at
least
if
it's
in
the
code
there's
a
way
to
there's
at
least
a
baseline
for
it
so
anyways.
Thank
you.
H
E
You
know
I
took.
I
have
taken
hours
and
hours
of
classes
on
on
this
kind
of
stuff,
and
the
lack
of
knowledge
is
astounding
to
me
and
to
cut
down
a
perfectly
good
tree.
That's
providing
shade
in
the
summer
in
order
to
put
in
solar
is
just
stunning
to
me,
and
it's
that
lack
of
holistic
thinking
about
how
all
this
works
together.
That
gets
us
into
trouble,
and
I
and
I
hope
that
we
can
maybe
really
look
at
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
whole
environment.
I
Judy,
I
think,
that's
a
great
point.
You
look
at
what's
up
on
the
screen
right
now
under
energy
use
and
the
number
one
is
passive
heating
and
cooling,
and
that's
what
you're
talking
about
right
now,
there's
more
to
just
there's,
there's
angles
in
the
summer:
there's
angles
in
the
winter
and
they
vary,
and
there
is
a
holistic
approach
to
it
or
needs
to
be.
C
F
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
judy
and
I
I
definitely
had
I
have
a
gigantic
tree.
I
think
it's
older
than
eagle
wood
in
my
backyard
and
when
I
looked
into
getting
solar
panels,
you
know
the
person
that
came
out
was.
It
was
basically
like,
there's
no
point
in
getting
solar
panels,
because
this
tree
provides
way
more
shade
way
more
energy
efficiency
and
way
more
cooling
than
you'll
ever
get
out
of
solar
panels,
at
least
for
now.
F
You
know
with
who
knows
what
the
age
of
the
tree
and
all
of
that,
but
it
then
all
of
the
additional
benefits
that
that
tree
provides.
I
think
that
is
an
incredibly
important
amount
of
information
and
it's
way
more
low-tech
than
solar,
and
I
think,
like
as
a
city
then
also
that
thought
of
is
it
the
most
efficient
to,
and
I
don't
know
this
answer,
it's
just
that
question
out
there
to
have
solar
panels
on
everyone's
house
or
to
have
areas
where
we
have
more
solar
panels
that
there's
very
likely
to
be.
F
You
know
trees
or
things
that
are
blocking
those
and
have
more
of
a
district
approach
to
to
that
kind
of
power,
rather
than
it
being
up
to
each
always
up
to
each
individual
or
if,
if
you
do
have
a
tree
to
not
say
oh,
I
can
only
do
one
or
the
other.
You
can
still
choose
to
have
solar,
but
you're
just
getting
it
from
somewhere
else.
So
that's
all.
C
A
A
I
think
that
we
need
to
have.
We
need
to
look
at
what's
the
best
practices
for
new
construction,
but
also
where,
where
does
where
is
the
city
going
to
go
and
leading
the
way
with
this
with
parks
and
rec,
and
some
other
larger
areas
on
the
macro
scale,
and
just
a
quick
question
for
chris?
You
know
the
second
area
up.
A
A
Sometimes
looking
to
put
the
especially
on
the
residential
side
to
put
the
the
burden
on
each
individual
home
or
each
individual
building
does
not
necessarily
make
as
much
sense
if
we
could
start
to
look
at
these
as
larger
areas
and
and
take
advantage
of
some
of
the.
You
know,
accessibility
that
we
have
here.
So
you
know
from
a
solar
standpoint
at
more
of
a
macro
scale
and
less
of
a
an
individual
site
scale.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
question
for
me
in
there
other
than
to
say
like
yeah.
That's
a
great
point.
We
we
tend
to
see
it
addressing
codes
at
three
different
scales
right,
the
site,
scale,
the
the
block
or
district
scale
and
then
the
the
utility
scale.
So
I
think
the
one
you're
hitting
is
that
middle
scale
and
there's
certainly
those
are
probably
the
ones
that
if
you
do
it
in
the
right
location,
you
have
the
the
least
competing
interests,
because
you
aren't
dealing
with
choices
that
impact
a
really
small
area
of.
G
Do
I
want
shade
versus
sun
or
the
other
one
is
sometimes
that
is
wind.
I
don't
know
how
I'm
I
mean.
I
lived
in
the
front
range
for
a
while.
I
know
you
get
some
windy
days.
I
don't
know
what
the
wind
one
is,
but
what
I
am
familiar
with
is
the
building
scale.
Wind
energy
things
are
starting
to
become
pretty
interesting.
G
I
don't
think
they're
up
to
a
critical
mass
yet,
but
those
are
another
one
that
at
the
the
site
and
district
scale
are
becoming
the
technologies
evolving
that
that
they
can
fit
in
in
different
areas,
but
will
certainly
be
open
to
all
of
those
both
at
the
site
and
the
and
the
larger
scale.
I
think
and
and
but
then
I
think
the
theme
of
all
of
these
questions
are.
The
overriding
part
is
making
sure
we're
we're
educating
on
the
big
picture
so
that
we're
not
doing
things
that
compete
against
the
the
larger
goal.
C
F
F
The
kind
of
community
we'd
like
to
see
either
you
know,
as
these
new
developments
or
infill
developments,
come
on
board
sort
of
what
are
those
other
elements
that
we
think
are
are
really
important,
and
I
think
that
can
go
into
storm
water
management
as
well.
Do
you
want
to
see
a
pit
with
the
fence
around
it
on
every
parking
lot,
or
do
you
want
to
see
things
that
are
more
usable
by
community
members
and
are
more
pleasing
and
soften
the
space?
So
I
think
it's
important
to
think
about
those
elements
with
sustainability.
C
Michelle
yeah
and
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
play
off
of
what
brooke
had
talked
mentioned
about
the
emerald
ash
and
the
emerald
ash
borer.
I
think
whatever
we
whenever
we
talk
about
things
like
this,
we
need
to
remember
that
we
need
to
have
diversity
in
our
trees
and
diversity
and
all
of
our
greenery
around
the
town,
for
reasons
like
that,
when
there's
a
a
really
bad
bug
that
comes
and
potentially
could
wipe
out
an
entire
species,
if
people
don't
take
care
of
it,
that's
why
we
need
diversity.
C
We
also
need
diversity,
just
because
of
the
birds
and
all
the
animals
and
everything
like
that.
They
need
the
diversity
we
don't
want
to
have
to
make
a
lot
of
rules
and
say:
oh,
you
must
only
plant
these
five
trees
or
something
like
that.
We
need
to
keep
diversity
in
mind
for
because
that
that's
a
healthier
environment.
That's
all.
D
Super
interesting
discussion
and
I
happen
to
love,
trees
and
love
solar.
Both
it
seems
like
we
have
more
opportunity
on
the
commercial
and
multi
family
side
to
potentially
have
both,
since
we
have
more
space
to
play
with
both
for
the
building
itself
and
for
the
surrounding
area,
so
maybe
for
commercial
multi-family,
it's
less
of
a
trade-off
between
trees
versus
solar,
maybe
on
the
home
side,
that's
something
that
could
go
in
the
menu
of
options.
I
Yeah
christine,
I
think,
you're
talking
about
some
realities,
big
box
was
mentioned.
You
know,
big
box
tends
to
be
a
large
square
footage
that
may
have
some
trees
around
the
perimeter,
but
in
the
middle
of
that
roof,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
shade,
which
is
ideal
for
solar
panels.
On
the
commercial
side,
I've
noticed
in
the
metro
area.
I
don't
know
what
kaiser
permanente
is
doing,
but
it
seems
like
every
one
of
their
parking
lots,
which
also
tends
to
be
areas
that
aren't
as
shaded
they're
building
canopies
with
solar
panels
on
them.
I
We've
had
proposals
from
auto
dealerships
that
are
very
concerned
about
hail
and
protecting
their
inventory
that
they
want
to
build
canopies
and
in
some
cases
those
canopies
have
solar
panels
that
are
sort
of,
I
guess,
pre-wired
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
for
electric
vehicles,
because
that's
the
way
they
see
the
industry
going.
So
some
of
those
larger
investments
that
are
a
little
higher
tech
have,
you
know
certain
appropriate
places
and
perhaps
on
the
residential
side,
why
you
wouldn't
want
to
limit
anything.
C
A
I
I
D
I
would
like
if
we
could
at
least
preserve
consumer
choice
so
that
in
the
future,
if
a
homeowner
or
building
owner
wants
to
switch
to
high
efficiency,
electric
heating
and
water
heating,
they
can
do
so.
So
we
put
in
the
outlet
and
the
panel
capacity
so
that
they
don't
have
to
totally
rip
out
their
walls
and
panel
and
redo
that
one
if
they
do
want
to
switch
to
electric
heating
and
cooling
so
I'd
like.
D
Right
now,
I
thought
karen
had
some
points
about
how
how
we're
moving
in
that
direction,
but
we're
not
going
to
switch
all
over
to
all
electric
tomorrow.
We
do
want
to
put
some
of
the
pieces
in
place
so
that
it
as
that
transition
is
happening,
we're
future
proofing,
our
our
homes
and
making
sure
that
we
can
make
that
change.
We've
seen
we
have.
We
have
plenty
of
studies
now
showing
that
it
can
be
done
at
a
cost
savings
to
the
home
or
the
building
owner.
D
If
it's
new
construction,
retro
fits,
are,
are
a
little
harder.
So
new
construction
seems
like
a
good
place
to
to
do
that,
and
we've
also
seen
that
excel
has
enough
electric
capacity
for
the
switch
to
heat
pumps
and
heap
water
heaters,
because
they're
built
for
summer
peaking
load,
and
this
would
add
winter
heating
load.
So
so
we
heard
that
it
wouldn't
impact
reliability
at
the
grid
scale.
C
B
You
know
you
can't
find
a
toilet
like
you
used
to
right,
you
have
to
buy
a
low
flow
toilet
and
I
think
it'll
eventually
get
that
away
with
some
of
the
gas
appliances
and
that
they'll
be
harder
to
come
by.
So
people
will
eventually
have
to
convert
over
to
electric,
so
certainly
something
we
could
look
at
as
a
requirement
or
as
another
option.