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A
Okay,
I'll
make
cole
roll
call
now,
council,
member
braithwaite.
B
B
A
Council
member
kelly
here
we
have
four
of
the
five
sets
quorum.
Sir
great,
thank
you.
B
Okay
may
have
entered
in
a
motion
to
adopt
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting.
C
D
So,
mr
chair,
I
will
move
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
january
24
2022
administration
and
public
works
committee
meeting.
B
Can
we
do
a
voice
vote.
A
Reid,
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
that
council
member
burns
is
now
coming
to
the
diocese.
B
Great
great,
as
well
in
a
second
we'll
continue
on
with
the
consent
calendar
so
we'll
have
approval
of
the
city
of
evanston,
payroll
bills,
list
and
credit
card
activity
and
and
a2
is
approval
of
the
harris
credit
card
activity.
B
B
Perfect
a4
is
approved
with
a
sole
source
contract
with
evp
academies,
llc
a5,
his
approval
of
the
agreement
for
sole
source
purchase
with
spring
city
electrical
manufacturing
for
helmidge
street
light
poles
a6,
has
been
removed
by
councilman.
Berniesma
is
approval,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
a7
was
removed.
Is
that
correct,
correct
and
not
a6,
correct?
B
Okay?
So
then
a6
is
approval
of
a
single
source
contract
award
with
builders.
F
B
B
B
D
C
D
Mr
chair,
you
were
breaking
up
there,
but
I
think
you
called
for
items
that
were
removed
from
the
consent
agenda,
the
first
of
which
is
a3.
So
I
will
make
a
motion
on
item
day
three:
approval
of
the
sole
source
contract
with
data
transfer
solutions
llc
for
the
fiscal
year.
2022
view
works,
asset
management
management
system,
annual
maintenance
and
hosting
services
in
the
amount
of
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
not
to
exceed.
G
D
Yeah
I
asked
someone
to
be
removed
because
I
just
have
a
few
quick
questions
about
this
software.
As
I
understand
it,
the
purchase
of
the
software
was
authorized
in
december
of
2016
and
scheduled
for
a
three-year
rollout
and
in
the
packet
that
we
received.
It
indicates
that
here
we
are
five
years
later
and
there
are
still
some
assets
in
the
facilities
division
which
have
yet
to
be
input
into
the
system.
B
Thank
you
is
there
staff
that
can
respond
to
that.
A
Director
good
evening,
this
is
dave,
stoneback,
interim
city
manager,
deputy
city
manager
and
public
works
director.
We
are
implementing
the
software
as
indicated
earlier.
Facilities
management
had
already
entered
all
their
assets
into
the
program
they
just
are
not
entering
in
when
the
work
is
actually
performed,
and
there
were
some
challenges
with
getting
that
complete
that
they
did
not
have
tablet
devices.
A
They
were
using
cell
phones,
which
you
know
on
the
very
small
screen
made
it
very
challenging
for
them
to
do
that
accurately
and
they
didn't
maybe
have
as
much
training
as
as
they
should
had,
or
they
had
training
a
long
time
ago,
and
they
don't
they're
not
current
on
the
current
training.
So
we're
making
sure
that
our
cmms
specialist
cara
pratt
is
allocating
her
time
to
help
them
with
that
work.
A
Now
she
has
been
busy
working
with
the
public
services
bureau
and
getting
recycling,
greenways
traffic
streets
and
forestry
all
up
in
and
working
on,
the
system,
the
water
plant
assets
itself
are
are
constantly
being
used
and
then
distribution
sewer
is
using
it
as
well.
So
we
do
believe
that
we
are
getting
our
money's
worth
for
that
and
and
producing
some
good
information
inverse
attraction.
B
Okay,
thank
you
well
with
that.
If
there
are
no
further
comments,
then
we
will
call.
B
B
B
E
All
right,
hi.
B
Okay
and
then
the
next
item-
councilmember
newsman,
you
also
removed
it
with
item
a7.
D
Yeah,
I
will
move
item
a7
approval
of
change
order,
number
one
to
the
contract
with
christopher
burke
engineering
for
the
phase
3
engineering
services
for
the
howard
street
corridor
improvement
project,
which
was
rfq
16-75.
A
A
Is
online
to
provide
a
response
to
that.
A
H
Miss
big
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
laura
biggs,
I'm
the
city
engineer.
So
because
of
the
nature
of
what
caused
the
change
orders,
it
really
isn't
entirely
fair
to
divide
it
by
the
geography
of
the
city,
owning
60
of
the
street,
towards
the
end
of
the
design
phase.
H
We
rushed
to
get
the
project
out
to
bid
to
meet
idot's
letting
schedule,
but
also
because
there
were
concerns
that
funding
was
going
to
disappear.
If
we
did
not
get
this
project
out
to
bid
and
as
we
were
doing
that
and
after
the
contract
was
awarded,
we
did
not
have
all
of
the
permits
from
the
city
of
chicago
departments.
H
That
is
the
majority
of
the
change
order.
Chicago
has
agreed
to
pay
a
lot
of
that
cost.
There's
also
some
costs
associated
with
just
the
issue.
With
the
evergreen
development
1101
howard
street
was
slow,
getting
their
construction
complete
and
that
also
caused
some
design
changes
and
that's
more
fairly
split
between
the
two
entities,
because
that
wasn't
due
to
one
entity's
issues.
H
Well,
ultimately,
we
benefited
by
moving
this
project
along
quickly
and
getting
into
construction,
because
we
received
a
substantial
funding,
grant
several
million
dollars
through
the
surface
transportation
program
and
their
funding,
actually
dried
up,
and
so
projects
that
were
awarded
did
not
get
the
funding
if
they
were
awarded
after
the
date
that
ours
was
so.
Ours
was
the
last
project
awarded
with
the
funding
for
the
fiscal
year.
B
F
You
laura
and
thank
you,
come
from
renews.
B
E
B
You
see
that
that
has
passed,
we
will
move
on.
F
To
the
items
for
consideration.
C
B
Okay,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
council
member
birthright.
Do
you
have
questions
about.
C
It
yeah
thank
you
dave
in
my
apologies.
I
should
have
called
this
one.
So
this
isn't.
This
is
just
a
contract
extra
expansion,
so
I
didn't
know
when,
when
the
first
contract
was
was
when
we
voted
on
that.
A
C
C
A
I
know
that
in
evanston
we
really
only
have
one
roofing
company
that
that
does
this
type
of
work-
and
I
don't
they
are-
they
generally
do
not
pay
prevailing
wages
to
their
employees,
so
they
generally
do
not
bid
on
projects
that
require
prevailing
wages.
A
As
to
other
vendors
within
the
state,
I
can't
say-
and
I
again
I
believe,
miss
biggs
is
online
and
that
might
have
more
familiarity
as
to
the
garland
provides
the
product,
and
then
they
have
a
group
of
contractors
that
are
pre-qualified.
A
So
we
know
what
product
we're
getting
and
we
know
what
warranty
we're
going
to
get
and
then
they
did
the
actual
construction
work
out.
Okay
to
several
contractors
that
bid
on
the
work.
Okay
and
then
this
specific
change
order
is
only.
It
was
not
include
the
original
scope
of
work
after
we
put
on
the
brand
new
roof
and
took
care
of
all
the
emergencies
at
the
next
rain
event.
We
had
water
leaking
into
the
building
and
it
was
found
to
be
coming
from
a
window
not
from
the
roof.
A
So
to
make
sure
the
building
was
tight.
We
added
this
change
order
to
replace
the
window
as
well
makes
sense.
C
B
D
B
Thank
you,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded.
Are
there
any
questions
about
this.
C
B
None
seeing
great
saying
none
I'll
just
say
I
would
like
a
bit
more
information.
I
you
know
the
former
clerk
I'm
aware
that
the
clerk
is
a
highway
commissioner.
This
isn't
something
that
came
up
during
my
term
very
much,
but
I
just
love
a
bit
more
information.
B
All
right
seeing
no
further
question
manager
stoneback.
Can
you
call
the
world.
E
D
Mr
chair,
I
will
move
item
a12
with
your
permission,
sir
resolution
11-r-22
authorizing
the
city
clerk
to
sign
an
illinois
department
of
transportation
resolution
for
improvement
under
the
illinois
highway
code
for
improvements
to
various
evanston
streets,
and
this
is
in
the
amount
of
one
million.
Ninety
seven
thousand
dollars.
F
Any
conversation
about
this
discussion,
I
mean
all
right,
saying:
none
director
stoneback.
A
G
E
F
Seeing
none
director
stone-
or
we
can
have
a
voice
vote
on
this,
so
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
all
those
opposed
none
opposed.
Yes
have.
It
may
have
emotion
on
the
next
item.
D
Mr
chair,
I
move
item
a14,
ordinance,
10-0-22
amending
city
code,
section
3-4-6-s
to
change
the
requirements
of
class
s
liquor,
license
holders
council,
member
revell,
requests
suspension
of
city
council
rules,
so
we
will
handle
that
at
council.
F
I
do
wonder
if
the
this
has
to
be.
The
rules
have
to
be
suspended,
as
this
didn't
go
through
the
referrals
committee,
because,
unlike
issuance
of
license
and
some
licenses
in
the
you
know
the
subsequent
policies,
this
one
seems
to
be
an
actual
policy
change
to
just
our
classes.
Liquor
license
code.
I
Good
good
evening,
members
of
the
administration
public
works
committee,
chair
reed,
interim
city,
deputy
city
manager,
stoneback
nicholas
cummings,
corporation
council.
It's
the
law
department's
position
that
it
came
for.
It's
two
two
reasons
why
I
should
stay
on
the
agenda
without
a
suspension
of
the
rules,
it's
law
of
arms
position
that
it
is
an
administrative
change
to
the
code
to
change
the
requirements
and
also
that
it
came
through
one
of
the
city's
other
commissions.
The
liquor
commission
came
directly
through
the
liquor
commission.
F
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
second
second,
okay,
I
have
a
different
opinion.
I
will
not
belabor
the
point
now,
but
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
policy
change.
Nonetheless,
it's
it's
not
the
issuance
of
a
license.
It's
changing
the
requirements.
It's
it
can
taken
to.
You
know
potentially
changing
any
other
requirement
for
any
other
business,
all
right,
all
those
in
favor.
E
D
To
increase
the
number
of
class
l
liquor
license
holders
from
two
to
three
for
dollop
hp,
general
store
and
cafe
at
1508,
sherman
avenue.
I
I
I
believe,
that's
class
l
and
not
class.
I
liquor
license
yes
very
second.
G
F
Thank
you
all
right.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item,
seeing
no
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
the
eyes
have
it.
Even
only
one
person
voted
moving
on
to
ap
w-1,
I
may
have
a.
I
Mr
chair,
yes,
just
as
a
point
for
you,
I
was
informed.
We
do
actually
have
members
of
the
public
that
are
attending
via
zoom,
and
so
I
believe.
I
That
open
meetings
act
because
there
are
members
participating
through
zoom.
We
have
to
continue
with
the
roll
call
vote.
If
there
were
not
members
participating
virtually
and
they
were
here
in
the
chamber,
we
could
do
a
voice
vote,
but
my
understanding
is
that,
because
there
are
members
virtually
that
we
need
to
proceed
with
the
roll
call,
though.
F
I
disagree
with
that.
I
would
get
that
if
it
was
with
the
members
of
this
body,
but
we
could
allow
virtual
participation
even
outside
of
the
covet
19
restrictions,
and
so
I'm
going
under
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
here
in
person
and
we
just
allow
for
virtual
participation
as
a
matter
of
business.
F
But
yes,
okay
and
we
will
we'll
take
yeah,
we'll
take
public
comment
at
the
at
the
end.
We
have
two
items
left.
How
many
folks
are
signed
up
for
public
comment?
I
think
two
of
them
want
to
speak
on
a
pw1
okay.
Well,
then,
we
will
take
those
folks
now.
F
D
J
J
Okay
yeah,
I
was
hoping
to
talk
about
the
residential
street
parking
for
commercial
vehicles.
I've
been
parking
a
commercial
vehicle
on
our
street
in
on
lincolnwood
ward.
Six.
For
about
two
years
now,
I
recently
received
a
ticket.
J
Although
my
I
have
an
f-150,
it's
undersized,
it
had
two
logos
on
the
side,
but
I
I
kind
of
saw
this
as
a
little
bit
of
a
an
affront
to
blue-collar
workers
in
evanston.
J
J
So
I'm
hoping
that
tonight
we
might
be
able
to
have
some
comments
in
this
course
on
possibly
having
permits
allowed
for
residents
to
park
them
in
front
of
their
own
houses.
J
I
think
there
definitely
needs
to
be
rules
on
it.
Obviously
you
can't
you
don't
know
how
to
seminar
sharks
parked
on
everybody's
front
lawns,
but
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
against
the
rules
to
maybe
ask
residents
that
might
have
commercial
vehicles
for
work
to
possibly
pay
a
permit
per
year
to
use
at
that
space.
F
Thank
you,
and
I
hope
you
stick
around.
I've
had
conversations
with
our
parking
manager
and
I
think
you'll
be
pleasantly
surprised
to
hear
the
full
discussion
all
right.
Who
else
do
we
have
for
public
comment?
I
believe
francine
wants
to
speak
to
apw
item
two.
Okay,
then
we'll
call
her
before
that
council
member
reveal.
K
So
excuse
me
good
evening,
members
of
the
ampw
committee,
so
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
a
seventh
ward
resident,
whose
previous
personal
vehicle
had
outlived
its
useful
life
and
needed
to
be
replaced.
So
this
resident
arranged
with
his
company
sun
sun,
run
to
use
one
of
the
company's
fleet
vehicles
as
his
personal
vehicle.
K
My
resident
tried
covering
the
company
logo
with
a
car
magnet,
but
it
would
not
attach
to
the
car,
so
he
now
has
no
place
to
park.
What
is
essentially
his
personal
vehicle
near
his
home.
He
wants
to
be
able
to
park
near
his
home
a
not
unreasonable
expectation
if
he
wants
to
do
that.
He
needs
to
leave
the
company
vehicle
at
work
and
purchase
a
new
car,
so
this
really
adds
unnecessarily
to
the
cost
of
living.
K
K
K
The
memo
also
warns
about
the
possibility
of
allowing
you
know
if
we,
if
we
allow
too
many
commercial
vehicles
to
park
on
our
residential
streets,
that
could
overwhelm
some
neighborhoods,
and
so
I
I
suggest
that
you
consider
establishing
a
commercial
vehicle
permit
one
per
residence,
so
a
company,
so
a
company
can't
just
blanket
a
neighborhood
with
too
many
commercial
vehicles.
K
But
if
a
vehicle
owner
lived
in
an
area
with
a
residential
parking
district,
the
commercial
vehicle
permit
could
double
as
a
residential
parking
permit.
So
I
encourage
you
to
consider
some
solution
like
that.
F
Thank
you,
councilmember
rafael,
and
see
no
further
public
comment
for
this
item
come.
I
will
first
allow
mike
rivera
to
give
a
an
overview
of
this
and
we'll
take
questions
from
the
committee.
L
Members
of
the
committee
acting
director
of
administrative
services,
mike
rivera
so
pursuant
to
a
request
by
council
members
suffered
and
and
in
light
of
what
council
member
revell
has
discussed
in
with
regards
to
commercial
vehicles,
we
have
an
array
of
vehicles
in
the
city
of
evanston
routinely
park.
L
They
can
be
passenger
vehicles,
they
can
be
light,
suvs
vans,
minivans,
pickup
trucks
that
they
can
have
attachments
to
the
vehicles
that
would,
in
light,
be
treat
make
make
the
vehicle
be
treated
as
a
commercial
vehicle
that
could
be
ladder
racks
that
could
be
plowed
on
the
front
of
the
vehicle.
It
could
be.
My
understanding
is
that
it
it
was
lettering
and
and
business
names
as
well.
L
L
What
I
would
recommend
is
simply
enough
to
create
a
vehicle
permit
like
we
have
an
array
of
permits
in
the
city
of
evanston,
and
I
would
ask
help
on
behalf
of
the
committee
to
define
what
type
of
vehicles
we
would
allow
to
possess
this
permit.
And
what
would
the
individual
plan
for
the
tournament
need
to
do?
So,
I'm
asking
if,
if,
if
we're
looking
to
add
a
permit,
whether
the
individual
owns
the
vehicle
or
not,
I
would
recommend
that
they
one
have
to
pay
an
evanston
wheel,
tax
and
then
two
I
would.
L
I
would
ask
a
fee
comparable
to
what
we
charge
all
the
other
permits
in
town
residential
permits,
which
is
thirty
dollars
a
year,
thirty
dollars
a
year,
and
then
I
would
ask
for
an
explicit
definition
as
to
what
type
of
vehicles,
if
they're
going
to
be
passenger
vehicles,
if
they're
gonna
be
pickup
trucks,
if
they're
gonna
be
vans,
minivans
and
then,
if
they're
going
to
have,
if
we're
going
to
allow
any
kind
of
apparatus
to
be
out
of
vehicles
such
as
ladder
x,
logos,
company
names,
addresses
plows
or
tow
behind
attachments
to
the
vehicles.
L
So
that's
that's.
What
I'm
seeking
this
evening
is
for
direction
and
that.
C
D
Certainly
support
you
know
the
right
of
workers,
whether
they
be
blue
collar
or
white
collar,
or
light
blue
collar
to
park
a
work
vehicle
on
city
streets.
You
know
the
flip
side
is
we
don't
want
to
turn
our
streets
into
free
parking
for
commercial
businesses,
and
you
know
all
of
a
sudden
have
semi
trucks
lined
up
and
or
tow
trucks,
but
I
think
something
along
the
lines
of
what
you're
proposing
setting
some
some
guidelines
on.
D
What's
an
acceptable
commercial
vehicle
and
then
a
a
nominal
licensing
or
permit
fee,
for
that
makes
sense
in
talking
with
some
other
folks,
they've
pointed
out
that
it
might
not
always
be
the
same
vehicle.
D
L
It's
somewhat
complicated
because
our
our
permits
are
virtual,
so
the
license
plate
credentials
was
activated
into
the
permit
base.
So
we
would
activate
the
vehicle
that
they're
registering
today.
So
in
the
event
that
somebody
alternates
vehicle
they
can
do
that,
but
they
would
certainly
have
to
call
us
with
anticipation
and
let
let
the
city
collector's
office
know
that
they're
going
to
be
moving
into
a
different
view.
L
D
If
you're,
looking
for
some
guidance
on
size
like
based
on
my
quick
googling
and
a
review
of
relevant
estate
code,
that
was
in
our
packet,
ten
thousand
pounds
seems
like
a
good
starting
point.
I'll,
throw
that
out
there.
If
other
folks
have
other
ideas.
C
L
D
As
for
markings,
I
think
someone
with
the
sunrun
logo
on
the
side
of
their
car,
or
you
know,
a
business
logo
on
the
side
of
the
car.
That
particularly
doesn't
that
doesn't
bother
me
particularly.
We
don't
want
the
oscar
meyer
wienermobile,
you
know
parked
out
on
the
street.
You
know
365
days
a
year
and
as
far
as
attachments,
if
you're
looking
for
some
guidance
on
attachments,
my
personal
opinion
is
no
trailers
would
have
to
be
just
one
single
vehicle
and
limiting
the
number
of
attachments,
if
not
know
no
snow
plows.
C
L
Recommendation
would
be
no
snow,
plows
and
and
no
trailer
and
no
items
trailer
at
all.
I
mean
because
it
could
be
a
trailer,
it
could
be
like
a
tree
chipping.
You
know,
equipment
that
are
trailered
behind
vehicles,
so
I
would
recommend
no
no
nothing
being
trailered
to
the
vehicle
and
no
snowplow
attachments,
no
salt,
spreader
attachments
and
then,
with
regards
to
demarcations,
I
I
would
recommend
logos,
addresses
telephone
numbers,
vehicle
wraps
magnets
things
of
that
nature.
L
Definitely
well
what
more
so
the
vehicle
type
is.
What
I'm
looking
for
as
far
as
being
able
to
include
a
definition,
are
we
gonna?
Are
we
gonna
limit
it
to
passenger
vehicles
and
light
suvs
being
small,
medium
and
large,
suvs,
minivans
and
vans,
and
pickup
trucks,
specifically,
is
what
I
would
like
to.
G
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
con
concerns
that
pops
up
is.
Is
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
businesses
are
accounting
for
their
parking
needs
within
their
business
plan,
and
you
know
that
they're
that
either
their
employer
or
place
of
business
is
accommodating
them
or
or
they're
finding
ways
within
their
on
their
property
to
accommodate
their
business
needs,
and
I
think
that
fundamentally
is
the
concern
that
I
hear
from
from
some
of
our
residents
about
this
particular
discussion.
G
You
know
if,
if
people
know
that
a
garage
is
being
used
for
storage
and
then
they
get
a
permit
and
park
their
commercial
vehicle
on
the
street
when
they
could
park
it
in
the
garage
you
know,
is
that
what
we
want,
that
anybody
that
that
is
able
to
buy-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
permit
would
be,
how
much
are
we
saying
for
the
permit.
L
The
the
permit
would
mirror
what
we're
doing
with
residential
permits
now,
which
would
be.
You
have
to
register
the
vehicle
and
purchase
a
wheel
tax
which
is
85,
and
then
it's
30
dollars
for
the
entire
year.
G
You
know
so
for
85
bucks,
35
whatever
it
is
that
you
know
you
can
use
your
garage
or
half
of
it
for
storage,
half
of
it
for
your
personal
vehicle,
but
then
still
take
up
street
parking
with
a
with
a
business
car.
It's
it's
a
concern,
especially
in
certain
parts
of
the
fifth
ward,
because
there's
a
lot
of
pickup
trucks
in
other
commercial
vehicles
that
are
that
are
on
the
street
and
there's
already
in
certain
areas,
limited
parking,
older
residents
coming
home
late
having
a
park.
You
know
two
blocks
away.
G
Some
people
with
mobility
challenges
parking
two
blocks
away
to
to
get
home.
So
I
think
what
I
want
to
make
sure
is.
That
is,
if
someone
does
apply
for
the
permit,
that
they've
exhausted
all
other
options
right,
whether
that's
making
sure
their
employer
can
accommodate
them
or
either
they
don't
have
space
with
on
it
within
their
property,
on
their
property
to
accommodate
this
vehicle.
L
One
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up:
okay,
that's
that's
something
that
we
can
make
part
of
the
business
rules
for
applying,
for
the
permit
is
that
it's
it's
one,
commercial
vehicle
permit
per
household,
and
that
would
certainly
help
us
have
some
controls
in
place
for
people
not
being
able
to
register
multiple
vehicles
to
that
address.
G
Yeah
I
mean
that
really
doesn't
address.
My
I
think
the
concern
is:
is
people
not
using
the
unless
you
know
if
they're
in
our
apartment
building
that's
one
thing,
but
if
they
have
a
garage
to
use
or
parking
pad
or
whatever
it
is
and
they're
using
that
for
other
reasons,
instead
of
using
it
for
a
business
vehicle,
and
I
don't
know
how
we
can
discourage
that
or
or
you
know.
G
Understand
before
we
issue
a
permit,
if
those
things
have
have
been
considered,
but
I
think
that's
a
concern
because
we
have
that
going
on
in
the
in
the
war
right
now
and
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
I
want
to
make
sure
people
have
exhausted
all
other
means
to
park
their
commercial
vehicles
before
they
get
a
permit
and
they're
able
to
park
on
the
street.
So
that's
one
concern
I've
heard
from
our
residents.
G
You
know,
I
think,
since
we're
having
this
discussion,
we
should
have
it
about
box
trucks
too,
because,
as
you
know,
I
have
businesses
in
my
ward
who
have
box
trucks
and
they're
parking
on
the
street,
and
so,
if
we're
going
to
have
this
discussion,
let's
have
the
full
discussion,
because
right
now,
what's
happening
is
one
day
you
can
park.
G
Well,
one
we
have
like
designated
areas
within
evanston
where
you
know
technically,
you
can't
park
a
commercial
vehicle.
I
don't
think
anywhere
right
now
of
that
size,
but
we
allow
it
on
some
days
and
other
days
we
don't
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
for
businesses
around
enforcement
because
they
need
the
additional
parking
they're
parking.
These
box
trucks
on
the
street
some
days
they
get
ticketed
some
they
don't.
G
So
I
would
like
to
have
a
discussion
about
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
allow
you
know
trucks
that
are
ten
thousand
pounds,
I
think,
is
what
councilman
newsman
said
or
not,
whether
that's
everywhere
or
if
that's
in
designated
zones,
because
again
and
manager
rivera.
You
can
speak
to
this
better
than
I
do.
There
are
some
like
informal.
G
L
So
so,
formally
under
under
the
code
under
section
10
4-5-3
a
it
shall
be
unlawful
for
any
person
to
park
a
commercial
vehicle
or
bus
on
any
block
in
the
city
in
which
more
than
one
half
of
the
buildings
are
used
for
residential
purposes.
This
restriction
shall
be
in
effect
between
nine
o'clock
pm
and
seven
o'clock
am
every
day.
G
L
If,
if
more
than
half
of
the
buildings
are
used
for
residential
purposes,
they
cannot
park
on
that
block.
So,
similarly,
you
see
vehicles
parked
down
the
road
here
on
simpson
in
green
bay,
often
because
there's
not
more
than
half
of
the
residential,
that
more
than
half
of
the
buildings
on
that
block
are
not
used
for
residential
purpose,
so
they
they
would
be
able
to
park
there.
L
F
E
So
I
wonder
if
there's
any
possibility
of
looking
at
spacing,
I
know
in
some
cities
they
have
spacing
requirements
say
for
rooming
houses
because
of
the
potential
of
undermining
communities.
If
you
have
so
many
within
a
certain
block.
Is
that?
Because
I
hear
you
bobby
that
in
some
blocks
this
could
really
undermine
the
neighborhood.
E
E
Right,
the
box,
one,
the
ones
in
question
I
just
because
I
do
hear
you,
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
the
parts
of
of
instance,
just
not
going
to
be
an
issue
because
we're
talking,
maybe
one
in
a
block
or
two
blocks,
but
but
I
think,
to
protect
neighborhoods
where
you
might
have
a
lot.
Perhaps
we
want
to
look
at
some
sort
of
a
spacing
requirement,
like
only
so
many
per.
G
L
L
If
they
have
a
parking
pad
or
they
have
a
parking
garage
behind
the
home
and
if
they
are
the
the
owner
of
the
home
and
then
we
would
make
considerations
if,
if
it's
a
shorter
distance
from
the
front
of
the
home,
to
the
to
the
curb
line
or
if
it's
shorter
from
the
rear
to
the
garage
and
then
we
would
make
considerations
if
the
walks
from
the
rear
of
the
home
to
the
to
the
you
know
to
the
place
where
they're
going
to
park.
L
You
I
mean
a
point
of
information
that,
regardless
of
what
we're
looking
to
enact,
if
a
vehicle
has
demarcations
on
it
and
if
a
vehicle
is
of
a
commercial
type
and
it's
not
registered,
if
somebody
just
shows
up
in
evanston
today,
you
know
once
this
is
approved
if
it
gets
to
the
point
where
it's
approved.
If
somebody
shows
up
of
a
vehicle
and
parks
it
on
the
city
street
and
it's
it
has
writing
and
stripped.
And
you
know
it
says,
mike's
construction
company
on
it.
L
If
that
vehicle
is
not
registered
in
evanston,
with
a
paid
wheel,
tax
and
a
commercial
vehicle
permit,
it's
still
going
to
be
illegal
and
we're
going
to
write
that
vehicle
for
not
having
being
registered
in
the
city
of
evanston
and
being
permitted
so
under.
Under
that
guys
we
would
have
some
controls
and
and
if
we
and
if
we
attach
it
with
the
residential
address-
and
we
make
it
one
per
household
two
per
household.
However,
many
we
feel
is
the
right
number.
L
G
Think
my
concern
is,
is
we
we
give
a
legal
path
to
do
it
and
we
don't
we.
It
seems
like
it's
hard
to
enforce
it
anyway,
because
there's
just
so
much
area
to
cover
that
what
will
happen
is
like.
We
give
a
track
to
to
make
one
vehicle
to
to
to
make
sure
one
vehicle
commercial
vehicle
is
legal,
but
then,
if
this
particular
person
has
other
commercial
vehicles
they're
still
going
to
park
those
on
the
street,
it's
just
we've
created
a
path
where
they
can
park
one
legally
and
they
continue
to
park
the
others
right.
G
My
the
issue
my
residents
are
having,
I
don't
think,
are
with
people
who
who
are
coming
from
out
of
town
in
parking
vehicles.
I
think
it's
people
that
live
in
evanston
and
you
know
they
they
may
have
a
a
business,
and
you
know
they
have
not
just
one
commercial
vehicle.
They
may
have
several
right
and
they're
using
you
know
the
streets
to
for
parking
which
I'm
sensitive
to
that.
I
just
I
want
to.
G
L
And,
and
with
regards
to
the
the
permit,
the
permit
is
actually
the
tool
that
helps
us
audit
if
a
vehicle
is
in
fact
registered
or
not,
and
we
would
do
that
with
our
license.
Plate
recognition
systems,
and
we
do
that
pretty
well
now,
with
with
the
lakefront
parking,
when
we
extend
free
parking
to
individuals
that
they
have
evans
and
wheel
tax.
We
also
do
it
near
northwestern
and
football
games
when
we
extend
free
parking
for
people
that
have
a
wheel
tax.
L
So
if
we're
going
to
create
a
permit
database
for
commercial
vehicles,
it
would
be
easier
for
us
to
to
audit
that,
with
our
license
plate
recognition
systems
and
having
it
in
place.
L
L
B
L
Can
register
it
as
a
b
license
plate
vehicle
for
business
or,
if
you
put
a
camper
top
on
it
or
utility
camp?
You
know
cap
air
on
the
back
of
it,
you
can
also
apply
for
an
rv
recreational
vehicle
license
plate.
So
there's
an
array
of
different
plates
that
that
same
vehicle
can
can
meet
in
different
categories.
L
No,
we
really
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
around
it.
I
mean
if
somebody
has
an
f-150
with
with
like
a
a
half
tanau
cover
that
opens
and
closes
and,
and
they
have,
let's
say,
door
magnets
that
they
put
on
and
off
the
vehicle.
We
wouldn't
know
if
they
were
using
that
vehicle
for
commercially
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
G
F
Thank
you.
I
try
to
respect
the
rules
of
chair
and
go.
C
F
So
I
have
a
number
of
questions
based
on
the
discussion
here.
I'll
start
with
I'll
start
with
the
the
limit
per
block.
I
have
concerns
with
limiting
the
number
of
of
you
know.
As
the
gentleman
said
you
know
working
class
vehicles
on
a
block.
I
think
you
know
it
essentially
would
ban
us
from
having
a
working-class
neighborhood.
If
there
was
a
neighborhood
full
of
folks
who
just
happened
to
be,
you
know
landscapers
or
whatever,
and
they
only
had
one
vehicle
that
they
registered
to
their
house.
F
Then
you
know
there
would
be
a
few
people
who
would
be
afforded
that
right
and
then
other
folks
would
not
be
afforded
that
right
and
then
be
able
to
maintain
residents
in
a
particular
neighborhood.
So
I
think
I
think
we
can
enforce
this
in
various
ways.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
put
a
limit
per
block
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
good
good
policy
in
this
case
or
many
others.
F
The
second
thing
is
you
manager
rivera.
You
mentioned
section
10,
4,
5,
3,
title
10,
chapter
4,
5
3
about
the
limitation
of
where
vehicles
can
commercial
vehicles
can
park.
I
think
that
there
are
certain
areas
if
it's
not
occupied,
if
a
block
doesn't
have
more
than
50
percent
of
residential
housing.
On
that
block
that
that
block
is
eligible
for
certain
vehicles
to
park
on.
I.
F
To
have
a
map
of
that
of
that,
so
one
we
as
a
city
know
these
are
the
blocks
where
folks
can
park
and
then
also
you
know
so
people
can
know
so
we're
just
very
accurately
enforcing
this.
F
Okay
and
then
next
thing
is
I'm
look.
I
did
a
quick
google
of
vehicles
that
are
10
000
pounds
and
so
a
dodge
ram,
a
2019
dodge
ram,
which
is
a
dodge
ram.
F
2500
pickup
four-wheel
drive,
which
I
think
is
an
obnoxious
vehicle
personally,
but
you
know
folks,
are
apparently
free
to
own
that
and
drive
that
on
the
road
and
use
it
for
personal
use.
We
would
be
banning
this
vehicle,
which
seems
like
it
again
could
just
be
a
personal
vehicle.
So
I
do
think-
and
this
kind
of
brings
me
to
the
next
point-
I
think
we
have
to
define
what
commercial.
Now
I
get
vehicles
over
10
000
pounds
when
you,
when
you
start
getting
into
you,
know
11
or
12.
F
Those
vehicles
are
almost
exclusively
you
know,
kind
of
heavy
duty,
certainly
commercial
use,
but
I
think
when
you
creep
up
right
to
10
000
is
where
you
start
edging
out
of
the
personal
vehicles,
and
you
know,
is
a
small
buffer
at
10
000,
where
there
still
are
some
personal
vehicles
so
to
to
me.
F
That
actually
brings
me
to
the
definition
of
commercial
as
councilmember
revell
mentioned
earlier,
and-
and
I
do
think,
while
it
doesn't,
our
code
doesn't
mention
vehicle
decals
or
anything
like
that,
because
those
would
indicate
just
like
with
any
other
violation
of
a
code.
If
you,
if
there's
evidence
that
a
crime
has
been
committed,
you
use
that
evidence,
and
you
cite
someone
so
one.
I
do
want
to
be
sure
that
someone
has
the
possibility
to
come
to
administrative,
adjudication
and
say
hey.
My
vehicle
is
not
commercial
and
prove
that
it's
not.
L
Yeah,
that's
correct.
I
mean
that
that
would
fall
under
the
guys.
You
know
photo
documentation,
somebody
somebody
who
receives
a
citation
they
can
come
into
adjudication
and
provide
subtle,
photo
documentation
that
their
vehicles
doesn't
have
any
demarcations
or
doesn't
have
attachments
on
it
or
doesn't
have
you
know
whatever
the
the
attachments
that
we're
ruling
in
or
out
to
be?
They
could
certainly
contest
their
citations.
Based
on
that
total
evidence.
Okay,.
F
So
we
have
a
process
for
folks
to
contest
whether
the
vehicle
is
commercial
or
not,
so
we
afford
due
process,
so
I
think
we
just
have
to
define
commercial.
I'm
also
concerned,
as
I
read
the
definition
of
commercial,
it
seems
that
you
know
if,
if,
if
one
of
us
here
were
to
pick
up
and
decide
to
drive
uber,
you
know
for
a
day
or
a
doordash
or
whatever
it
is,
we
would
then
have
to
register
a
vehicle
as
a
commercial
vehicle.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well.
L
It's
there's
kind
of
a
gray
area
here,
because
someone
has
to
fully
disclose
that
it's
their
intention
to
use
the
vehicle
as
a
commercial
vehicle.
If
it's
going
to
be
have
demarcations
on
it.
So
with
uber
oftentimes,
they
have
a
light
that
they
put
on
the
dashboard
and
they
have
a
decal
that
they
put
on
the
window.
If
somebody
has
a
passenger
vehicle
and
they
don't
display
the
uber
light
and
they
don't
have
the
sticker
on
the
window,
we
wouldn't
know
that
they're
using
that
vehicle
for
uber.
F
F
L
Point
of
information
with
regards
to
enforcement,
so
our
system
has
capability
today
that
when
they
issue
a
citation
of
a
vehicle,
they
can
take
up
to
four
photos.
They
display
one
on
the
citation,
but
they
can
take
up
to
four
photos
and
store
it
on
the
back
end
of
the
system.
So
when
a
vehicle
does
to
a
judo,
if
a
vehicle
receives
a
citation
and
somebody
intends
on
adjudicating
it,
if
we
took
multiple
photos
of
the
vehicle
we
would
we
would
take
photos
of
the
demarcations
of
the
vehicle.
L
We
would
take
photos
if
there
was
an
attachment
like
a
trailer
or
a
plow
on
the
front.
We
would
take
photos
of
that
and
that
would
all
be
in
the
in
the
database.
So
when
somebody
adjudicated
the
citation
the
the
administrative
law
judge
would
would
have
access
to
that
photo
evidence
as
well
and
they'd
be
able
to
make
a
determination
as
to
if
the
vehicle
was
in
fact
themed,
commercial
or
or
passenger.
At
that
point,
when
the,
when
the
actual
citation
was
written.
G
Yeah,
I
mean-
and
this
is
just
discussion,
so
we
could
talk
about
this
more
offline
as
well,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
that,
to
me,
the
person
who
has
let's
say
one
vehicle
and
is
using
it
for
commercial
use
as
well
as
kind
of
personal
use,
I
think,
is
a
great
candidate
for
this,
like
I
have
no
no
issues
with
that
person
right,
one
vehicle.
You
know
by
day
it's
this
vehicle
by
night.
Is
this
vehicle
perfect?
G
You
can
get
a
permit
right,
someone
who
doesn't
have
like
a
garage
or
a
parking
pad,
etc.
Somebody
who
lives
in
the
building.
Of
course.
That's
a
that's
a
that's
a
perfect
candidate
for
this.
I
think
what
I'm
trying
to
control
for
is
someone
that
may
have
two
personal
vehicles.
G
You
know
two
or
three
commercial
vehicles
and
right
now,
they're
already
parking
those
on
the
street.
They
have
not
found
permanent
parking
elsewhere
off-site
for
for
that
vehicle,
but
they're
using
the
the
residential
streets
to
do
it
that
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
control
for
which
this
conversation
has
helped
me
kind
of
better
understand
how
we
may
do
that,
and
and
I'll
probably
have
more
questions
as
this
discussion
continues.
But
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
that
I'm
not.
I
have
no
concern
about
the
the
uber
driver.
You
know
that's
what.
L
Right
and-
and
I
mean
just
to
reiterate
again
today,
if
a
vehicle
has
passenger
license
plates
on
it,
it's
a
pickup
truck
or
a
minivan
or
just
a
vehicle,
and
we
would
treat
it
as
a
passenger
vehicle.
But
if
we
have
pickup
trucks
out
there
parked
today
with
ladder
racks
and
snow
plows
and
attachments,
and
things
of
that
that
are
that
are
used
for
commercial
purposes
and
that
vehicle
would
be
deemed
commercial,
it
would
be
sighted.
L
L
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
tell
if
they're
doing,
that
or
not,
but
for
the
individuals
that
have
small
construction
businesses
that
are
residents
or
or
landscape
businesses,
or
a
tradesman
who
works
in
evanston
who
his
employer
provides
him.
A
vehicle
take
home
vehicle
that
vehicle
may
be
registered
in
wisconsin,
let's
say,
and
it's
a
fleet
and
they're
able
to
take
it
home.
So
then
that
we
would
be
asking
those
individuals
to
have
clearly
demarcated
vehicles.
L
You
know
logos
addresses
telephone
numbers,
you
know
attachments
if
we're
going
to
allow
certain
attachments
like
like
ladder
racks
to
come
forward
and
say
I
have
a
commercial
vehicle
that
I
want
to
register
to
my
home
and
allow
them
to
register
what
number
of
vehicles
one
two
three
to
that
home
and
then
have
them
pay
for
one
year's
wheel,
tax
the
30
permit
fee
that
would
make
them
eligible
to
park
anywhere
in
the
evanston
city
limits
and
if
they
have
and
if
where
they
live,
also
has
a
residential
parking
district.
L
B
F
And
then,
lastly,
I
just
want
to
maybe
get
consensus
from
the
committee,
because
I
presume
mike
your
director
manager
rivera,
I
presume,
you're,
going
to
bring
an
ordinance
back
to
us
in
the
next
couple
weeks
months.
Whatever
that.
F
So
I
do
want
to
get
some
clarification.
Does
it
seem?
It
is
the
desire
of
this
committee
to
exclude
rideshare
users
or
rideshare
drivers
from
the
commercial
vehicle
definition.
D
F
Okay,
but
I
also
do
want
to
note
that
there's
outside
of
the
rideshare
drivers
there's
also
the
new
industries
of
like
toro
and
the
other
ride
share
where
you're,
renting
a
car
and
someone
could
own
you-
know
15
personal
vehicles
and
just
park
them
on
evanston
streets,
and
you
know
someone
with
an
app
can
kind
of
independently
go
and
grab
those
cars.
So
I
do
think
we
should
regulate
that
in
some
way
it
gets
kind
of
complicated
and
nick.
F
You
know
this
might
be
some
some
fancy
legalese
that
has
to
happen
to
kind
of
differentiate
between
some
of
some
of
some
of
those
as
well
as
I'm
thinking
that
again-
and
also
I
want
to
be
clear-
is
it
the
desire
of
this
committee
to
have
some
kind
of
a
limitation
on
how
many
commercial
vehicles
can
exist
per
block.
D
G
And
I
think
again,
in
the
same
way,
we
invest
do
investigations
for
when
people
request,
what
is
it
again
mike,
but
the
parking
the
disabled.
G
Parking,
I
think
we
should
do
some
of
those
same
investigations
and
to
make
sure
people
have
exhausted
all
of
their
options
on
the
on
their
property
before
they
get.
You
know
a
permit
to
park
this
vehicle
on
the
street,
but
if
we
mix
in
some
things
like
that,
I'm
not
I'm.
I'm
fine,
not
having
a
limitation.
L
And
that's
something
we
can
include,
maybe
with
a
writer
or
or
a
waiver
to
the
application.
Something
to
that
effect.
That
says
that
the
individual
can
notarize
saying
because
50
of
the
time
they
may
not
be
the
owner
of
the
vehicle
anyway,
so
they
just
they're
just
have
a
take-home
vehicle
for
their
from
their
employer.
So
we
can
perhaps
work
to
have
a
waiver
right
or
something
to
that
effect
where
they
would
notarize
saying
I
mike
rivera
living
at
one
two
three
main
street
and
registering
this
ford
f-150.
L
That
is
my
provided
to
me
by
my
company
and
and
then
I
would
pay
for
my
wheel,
tax
and
pay
for
my
permit
for
that
year
and
that
would
be
registered
to
my
home
and
I
don't
have
a
place
to
park
it.
I
don't
have
a
driveway
and
I
don't
have
a
parking
pad
or
a
garage
and
then
at
that
point
we
could
approve,
based
on
that
information
that
they're
providing
to
us
and
notarizing
to
be
true.
F
My
my
problem
with
that
is
it
sorry.
B
F
That,
if
there
is
a
you
know,
if
someone
doesn't
have
a
driveway
or
a
parking
pad,
they
can
obviously
park
on
the
street
under
what
we're
talking
about
here.
But
you
know
if
I
use
my
garage
for
wood
shop
or
for
I
don't
know
some
other
personal
use,
I
have
some
hobby
and
it
occupies
my
garage
I
play
drums.
Should
I
be
forced
to
put
my
car
into
my
garage
or
I
use
my
parking
pad
for
a
pool
in
the
summer
and
my
kids
hop
around
in
the
pool.
F
Should
we
you
know
if
the
car
is
allowed
to
be
on
the
street
in
the
circumstances
someone
not
having
it,
I
mean
we
should
allow
people
just
to
make
their
own
decisions
and
either
you
know,
ban
a
certain
size
vehicle
or
whatever
it
is,
or
you
know
the
oscar
mario
weiner
mobile
from
sitting
out
on
the
street,
but
similar
vehicles
should
have
similar
rights
either
park
on
the
street
or
a
parking
pad.
If
available,
I
mean.
G
I
think
we
we
do
similar
considerations
for
other
things,
so
I
think
it's
consistent
with
what
we
already
do.
One
and
two,
I
think
the
difference
is
it's
commercial
use,
and
so
again,
for
me,
fundamentally,
like
the
employer
should
be
providing
a
parking
space
for
this
vehicle.
It
is
not
in
this
instance,
and
therefore
this
person
is
deciding
to
use
street
parking
to
do
it,
which
is
fine,
but
that
you're,
not
necessarily
you
know
in
you
know
we
don't
have
to
allow
it
clearly.
F
And
I
do
think
that
mr
rivera's,
the
manager
of
aries
a
suggestion,
makes
sense
with
the
waiver,
so
that
seems
like
a
solid
compromise
council
member
kelly.
F
Okay,
is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
item
mike
andrew?
Do
you
have
everything
you
need
to.
F
And
then
we
do
have
one
member
for
public
comment
for
apw2.
F
M
Hello,
hello,
everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
time
again
tonight.
I
think
most
of
you
know
my
story.
I
suffered
a
complete
sewer
failure
in
early
2021
and
the
cost
to
repair.
It
was
45
000.
M
I
live
on
elgin
road,
which
is
actually
golf,
which
is
a
state
road
and
that
they
had
to
dig
up
almost
20
feet
below
the
road
to
fix
it,
including
two
and
a
half
days
of
traffic
control,
et
cetera.
I
think
you've
all
heard
this
a
number
of
times.
I've
been
in
touch
with
you
for
you
know
since
since
that
time,
since
it
happened
in
early
2020,
I've
come
to
many
meetings,
and
my
hope
tonight
is
that
there
can
be
some
resolution
to
decide
on
financial
assistance.
M
Okay,
I'm
hoping
that
tonight
there
can
be
some
resolution
to
decide
on
how
to
provide
some
financial
assistance
to
people
in
my
situation,
and
I
think
previous
proposals
seemed
fair.
They
were
based
on
income
they're,
based
on
percentage
of
you
know,
income
etc,
and
I
I
just
feel,
like
you
know
what
I
I've
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
several
meetings.
M
I
just
feel
like
there's,
no
one
that
should
have
to
liquidate
a
life
insurance
policy
to
pay
for
to
have
a
fully
functioning
sewer,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
anybody
else
in
this
situation
and
I'm
asking
for
some
help
on
the
on
the
amount
that
I
had
to
pay
to
fix
this.
M
I
I
know
that
the
director
stoneback
looked
back
over
six
years
or
more,
and
there
were
only
about
five
other
situations,
but
he
doesn't
know
if
they
were
45
000
or
what
how
much
they
were,
because
they,
the
permits,
were
pulled
for
only
that
25
000..
So
you
know
this
is
not
something
that's
going
to
happen
to
a
hundred
people
every
year.
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
council
member
kelly.
F
My
apologies,
may
I
first
have
a
motion
on
item
apw-2.
D
Mr
chair
I'll
move
item,
apw-2
sewer
service,
repair
costs,
and
this
is
for
discussion.
Okay,.
E
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
sorry
that
we're
still
discussing
this,
I
thought
by
now
we
should
be
acting
on
this.
I
think
mr
stoneback
did
provide
a
very
reasonable
plan
on
a
sliding,
a
scale
based
on
income,
and
I
think
absolutely
we
should
be
moving
forward
on
this,
and
I
hope
we
can
do
this
without
too
much
more
delay.
E
M
E
Yeah,
what
do
we
so?
Yes,
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
this
up
for
action
soon.
I
think
we,
mr
stoneback,
already
provided
a
way
that
this
can
be
handled
so.
G
D
So
at
the
january
10th
meeting
staff
was
requested
to
provide
responses
to
looks
like
four
questions:
five
questions
and
number
one:
what
is
the
cost
to
have
a
plumber
determine
the
location
and
depth
of
a
sewer
service?
D
D
Annual
cost
ranges
from
100
150
coverage
is
another
question.
It
depends
long
story
short.
It
depends
number
four
provide
more
information
on
what
financial
assistance
the
city
currently
provides
and,
as
I
understand
it,
there
is
some
financial
assistance
available
through
cdbg
programs
in
those
areas
of
town
that
are
eligible
zero
interest
loans
in
the
maximum
amount
of
fifty
thousand
dollars.
D
So
this
would
help
some
low-income
residents
and
the
last
question
we
asked
for
clarification
on
was
if
the
city
provides
a
grant
for
the
expensive
sewer
repair
recently
completed,
and
then
we
modified
the
city
code.
B
G
D
G
On
this
yeah
see
that
actually
I
think
that
wasn't
sorry
about
that.
I
think
that
was
an
attempt
to
answer
my
question.
My
ex
my
question
was
a
little
different.
It
was
actually
like
if
we
pass
some.
If
we
provide
relief
for
this
resident,
then
we
pat,
we
changed,
update
the
code
to
adopt
these
recommendations
and
then
someone
has
an
issue
in
the
future.
G
I
G
G
F
G
B
I
G
I
think
that
I
guess
that
sounds
good.
I
mean
I'm
curious
what
the
rest
of
the
committee
feels
and
then
everything
else
looks
good.
I
mean
I,
and
I
know
ms
allen
you
I
don't
know
if
this
was
you
or
someone
else
who
thought
the
insurance
is
really
expensive
and
it
seems
like
what
we
have
here.
M
Yeah,
it's
not
expensive.
That's
I
mentioned
that
in
my
emails
to
you
and
at
the
previous
meeting,
it's
not
expensive
to
buy
the
insurance,
but
it
only
covers
typically
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
in
sewer
repair,
no
more
and
the
the
amount
of
the
type
of
plumber
you
need
to
detect
what
where,
in
my
case,
I
had
several
regular
residential
plumbers
come
to
try
to
fix
the
problem,
and,
yes,
that's
right:
160
200
300
whatever,
but
they
couldn't
find
where
the
problem
was.
M
I
had
to
hire
a
company
that
is,
is
much
more
advanced
and
much
more
has
a
lot
different
type
of
equipment
before
they
could
find
the
problem
20
feet.
You
know
under
golf
road,
and
that
was
at
a
significantly
more
of
higher
cost.
So
to
ask
homeowners
to
do
that
before
you
know
paying
their
transfer
tax
or
whatever
is
is
I
don't
know
how
that
would
go
over
very
well
and.
G
So,
just
to
to
be
clear
number
one
and
number
three,
my
I
recall
the
the
point
of
that
was
to
respond
to
this
particular
case
and
it
shouldn't
have
been
too
general
we
needed
to
so
I
just
I
want
to.
I
would
love
to
hear
staff's
response
to
that,
because
that
the
my
understanding
was
that
we
were
going
to
go
out
and
try
to
find
the
determine
the
cost
of
a
plumber
in
this.
You
know
that
would
need
to
come
out
and
investigate
this
situation,
and
so
are
we
confident
I.
M
Can
tell
you
my
costs
in
order
when
they
finally
diagnose
the
problem.
The
the
the
clay
pipe
was
disconnected
from
the
main
under
golf
road
that
particular
plumber.
That
cost
me
fifteen
hundred
dollars.
The
forty
five
thousand
does
not
include
all
the
different
plumbers.
I
had
out
first
tried
to
fix,
diagnose
it
and
fix
it.
M
So
if
you're
going
to
require
people
when
they're
selling
their
homes
to
have
this
type
of
work
done
in
order
to
especially
those
who
might
live
on
the
you
know
at
risk
areas,
it
could
be
much
more
expensive
than
300
or
200
dollars
to
do
this.
F
Thank
you,
mr
allen,
director
manager,
deputy
manager,
stoneback
and
then
councilmember
kelly.
A
I
just
if,
if
the
city
were
to
pass
something
like
this,
I'm
not
sure
where
the
funding
would
come
from
to
pay
this
back.
So
it
it
places
an
unrecognizable
liability
on
the
city
that,
if
we
you
know
yes,
we
miss
allen
is
the
only
one
in
2021
but
say
we
have
one
in
2022
and
we
have
another
one
in
2023.
A
That's
potentially
you
know
thirty
thousand
dollars
each
year,
that's
coming
out
of
a
budget
that
it's
not
budgeted
for
and
then
all
the
I
guess
we
would
have
to
raise
a
sewer
rate
to
be
able
to
afford
paying
this
and
again
as
the
infrastructure
gets
older,
we're.
The
city
will
probably
recognize
more
situations
of
this
nature
and
again
it.
It
depends
on
the
age
of
the
of
the
pipe
and
its
location,
but
the
all
sewer
pipes
are
going
to
fail
at
some
point
or
another.
A
And
if
you
do
this,
you
are
just
placing
the
city
at
a
liability
and
right
now
there
isn't.
You
know
it's
not
programmed
into
any
funding
source
to
pay
for
this.
So
we
we
do
allocate
75
000
a
year
in
the
sewer
fund
for
emergency
sewer
repairs,
that's
contemplated
on
repairing
the
city's
sewers.
A
Some
years.
We
don't,
we
don't
spend
all
75
000,
but
last
year
we
exceeded
that
75
000
by
quite
a
bit.
So
again,
there's
just
a
lack
of
dedicated
funding
for
a
program
such
as
this.
If.
F
K
F
A
F
In
order
to
raise
director
stoneback
roughly
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
water
in
sewage
rate
funds,
could
we
you
know
is
that
is
that,
like
a
very
small
incremental,
I
mean
to
the
average
user?
Would
that
be
a
few
pennies
per
user
to
raise
the
additional
50
000
a
year
to
cover
this?
F
Yes,
it
would
be
so
I
mean,
I
think,
if
we're
yeah,
I
think
that's
not
a
huge
burden
on
all
of
our
taxpayers
to
say
that
if
one
of
our
neighbors
has
a
situation
like
this
that
we're
all
going
to
chip
in
a
few
pennies
on
our
sewer
bill
to
ensure
that
no
one
who
lives
in
our
city
has
to
go
through
this,
I
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
ask
to
take
care
of
this
utility
council
member
kelly
and
then
council
member
burns.
E
So
I
just
want
to
say
I'd
like
to
refer
this
back
to
this
committee,
the
next
meeting
for
action
for
introduction
and
action,
and
I
guess
then
I'd
like
to
direct
staff
to
prepare.
I
guess
what
mr
stoneback's
already
prepared
in
terms
of
this,
the
sewer
repair
program.
E
Just
I
would,
since
it's
already
here,
we
don't
need
to
go
through
referrals,
because
we've
already
discussed
it
at
this
committee.
So
I'd
like
to
refer
back
to
this
committee
for
action
and
I'm
not
and
yeah
the
funding.
I
we
can
find
the
funding.
F
Director
stoneback
is
that
a
possibility
was
it
will
it?
I.
A
Well,
a
city
code
has
to
be
modified,
which
has
not
been
contemplated
in
any
of
the
memos.
I
wrote.
What
would
potentially
be
written
into
the
city
code
is
somewhat
developed,
so
I
would
have
to
ask
the
legal
department
whether
or
not
they
believe
that
they
could
craft
an
ordinance
with
them.
Actually,
it's
only
one
week
because
the
packet
comes
out,
you
know
the.
F
F
First
meeting
in
march,
we
will
have
this
back
on
the
agenda
for
action
council
member
kelly-
okay,
yes,
oh
sorry,
council
member
is
it
is
that
all
are
you
done,
council,
member
kelly?
That's.
E
G
G
I
am
not
comfortable
at
this
point
approving
a
a
permanent
assistance
program
if
there
is
insurance
that
is
affordable
for
our
residents,
which
is
why
we
ask
for
that
information
and
so
what
between
now
and
the
next
meeting,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is:
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
accurate
numbers
here
for
both
question
one
and
three
because
again
what
what
we
asked
for
is
if,
if
someone,
if
a
plumber,
would
need
to
go
out
and
locate
the
depth
of
a
sewer
service,
that
was
in
a
situation
similar
to
ms
allen,
what
would
that
cost
so
at
the
next
meeting?
G
One
sec
and
then
for
question
three:
how
much
does
the
sewer
service
insurance
cost
again
insurance
for
someone?
That's
in
a
situation
that
ms
allen
describes.
So
those
are
the
two
questions
that
I
would
like
if
these
are
good
numbers,
because
miss
allen
is
saying
different
numbers,
I
think
1500
or
something
like
that,
and
these
are
very
different
than
what
I'm
hearing
yeah.
F
Just
point
information:
I
I
will
say
that
I
think
what
miss
and
then
director
stoneback
manager
stoneback
is
next,
but
I
think
what
miss
allen
said.
I
think
these
numbers
are
accurate.
Even
miss
allen
confirmed
that
I
think
the
concern
was,
as
she
said.
Yes,
the
sewer
insurance
is
fairly
inexpensive,
but
it
only
covers
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
which
these
expenses
very
easily
go
much
higher
than
that,
and
so.
A
So
on
question:
one:
the
the
cost
to
determine
the
location
and
depth
of
the
sewer
is
about
200
define
the
cause
of
the
break
that
miss
allen
experienced
cost
more
because
her
sewer
line
was
already
broken
and
as
such,
there's
water
in
it.
And
so
it's
a
lot
more
difficult
to
do.
So
if
your
sewer
service
is
in
good
condition,
when
you
purchase
a
home,
you
can
have
the
sewer
line
inspected,
to
determine
its
condition
and
its
depth
and
its
location
for
about
two
hundred
dollars.
G
Else
would
just
be
what
you
need
to
do
for
due
diligence
as
someone
who
is
looking
into
purchasing
a
home.
So
I
think
for
for
what
your
recommendation
was.
Not
the
one
that
I
think
council
member
kelly
has
has
asked
to
to
move
forward.
But
you
were
saying
that
at
some
point
there
would
be
an
affidavit
that
someone
signed
saying
that
they,
you
know
hired
a
plumber,
that
they
went
out
and
determined
the
depth
of
the
sewer
and
you're
saying
we
could
do
that.
The
homeowner
or
somebody
looking
to
buy
a
home.
A
You
can
sometimes
you
can
get
it
as
a
rider
onto
your
actual
own
homeowners
insurance
and
each
insurance
company
provides
a
different
level
of
of
what
they're
insuring
and
staff
does
not
have
the
wherewithal
to
to
go
and
look
up
each
one
and
read
the
fine
print
on
each
one.
To
give
a
report
on
what
insurance
does.
Homeowners
should
be
responsible.
Do
that
work
on
their
own.
G
M
A
Nothing
so
and
then
what
we're
proposing
the
you
know
the
homeowner.
If
they're
over
120
percent
of
the
medium
ami
range
okay,
they
would
have
to
pay
10
000
out
of
pocket.
They
would
have
to
get
25
000
loan
from
the
city,
so
that's
still
money
that
they're
paying
out
that's
35
000
and
then
the
city
is
paying
anything
over
ten
thousand
dollars.
So
in
this
case
the
city
would
pay
ten
thousand
dollars
and
then
the
homeowner
would
pay
ten
thousand
dollars,
but
borrow
another
25
from
the
city
which
they
would
have
to
repay.
A
F
Point
of
point
of
information
just
to
re-center
this,
oh
darn,
I
broke
my
mask
if
I
was
a
if
I
was
or.
A
M
A
Gravity:
it's
how
the
the
closer
you
are
to
where
you
connect
to
the
metropolitan
water
reclamation,
district's
sewer,
so
the
sewer
that
miss
allen
connects
to
ends
at
emerson
and
mccormick,
but
it
goes
all
the
way
north
to
crawford
and
central,
approximately
so
crawford
and
central.
It's
only
four
foot
deep
source
to
get
that
sewage
to
flow
downhill
by
the
time
it's
front
of
miss
allen's
property.
It's
about
20,
foot,
deep!
So.
F
B
F
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
again
as
neighbors
to
create
an
evanston
that
is
for
everyone,
regardless
of
your
neighborhood,
regardless
of
if
you
live
at
the
end
of
the
sewer
transmission
line
or
you
live
at
the
beginning
of
the
sewer
transmission
line,
you
should
pay
a
similar
amount.
So
if
it's,
you
know
eight
to
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
homeowner
who
lives
at
the
beginning
of
the
line.
F
It
should
be
eight
to
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
homeowner
at
the
end
of
the
line,
and
we
should
ensure
that
our
sewer
rates
are
created
in
a
manner
that
creates
that
kind
of
equity.
We
shouldn't
arbitrarily
charge
people
leave
people
on
the
hook
for
a
lot
more
just
because
they're,
you
know
in
the
wrong
part
of
town.
M
And
it's
because
it's
a
house
that
I
could
afford
you
know
and
busy
road,
but
it
was
a
house
I
could
afford,
but
no
one's
going
to
suspect
you'd
never
go
into
the
situation.
Thinking.
Oh,
it's
a
busy
road,
so
the
sword
must
be
really
deep
and
if
something
happens,
no
one
would
think
that
way.
No
no
no
home
purchaser
would
be
would
go
through
that
mental
gymnastics.
M
F
So
with
that,
I
think
the
proposal
that
we
should
be
looking
at
is
a
proposal
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there's
a
certain
amount
that
homeowners
across
the
city
pay
and
that
anything
over
that
we
can
figure
out
how
to
how
to
cover
the
cost.
A
F
Because
this
is
a
necessity
of
how
we
move
our
sewage
throughout
the
city-
I
I
think,
or
our
water
whatever
it
is,
I'm
sorry
sewer
water
line.
I
don't
know
whichever
one
it
is
sewer
line,
because
this
is
a
necessity
of
government
function.
F
I
think
we
should
try
to
create
some
equity
in
how
what
folks
are
on
the
hook
for
across
the
city.
So.
F
No
because
in
this
proposal,
even
in
this
yes
she'd
get
10
or
whoever
would
get
ten
thousand
dollars
from
the
city,
ten
thousand
dollars
from
insurance,
I
guess
a
normal
person
would
would
get
100
would
get
ten
thousand
dollars.
If
they
did
have,
insurance
would
get
ten
thousand
dollars
from
insurance.
It
would
be
completely
covered
by
the
insurance,
and
so
that
would
be
you
know
the
average
cost
for
an
average
evanstonian.
I
think
what
we
should
figure
out
is:
what
is
the
average?
E
Well,
I
do
appreciate
the
income
component,
I
mean,
if
you
really
are
just
barely
making
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
get
hit
with
huge
costs.
I
think
there
should
be
a
greater
contribution
to
help
repair
something
that's
that
where,
if
you
happen
to
be
living
in
a
spot
where
it's
gonna
end
up
costing
you
a
lot
of
money
versus
I
mean
I
think
it.
I
think
there
is
some
justification
for
having
that
component
in
in
this.
F
F
To
your
point
earlier
about
taking
care
of
miss
allen
before
we
create
a
a
policy
change,
that
was
an
issue
that
was
raised
by
our
corporation
council
that
we
would
set
a
press
if
we
did
that
before
we
changed
the
policy.
We'd
set
a
precedent
which
would
potentially
open
the
almost
quite
literally
here
the
floodgates.
G
F
E
I
would
like
to
see
mr
the
proposal
is
written
by
mr
stoneberg,
but
I
agree
with
you:
I'm
devon
that
councilmember
reid,
that
it
should
be
applied
to
anybody
regardless
of
income,
but
I
would
like
to
I
mean
so
that
anybody
would
benefit,
but
I
think
there
should
also
be
some
consideration
for
low
income
where
it
could
be
a
greater
contribution.
G
F
A
Sure
is
indicated
on
page
194
of
198
of
the
administration.
Public
works
packet,
there's
a
table
at
the
bottom
of
that
that
if
you're
in
the
ami
less
than
80,
you
would
pay
zero
dollars
out
of
pocket
receive
a
25.
You
have
to
take
out
a
25
000
mortgage
and
then
that's
it.
You
just
repay
the
25
dollar
loan.
A
If
you're
between
eighty
and
one
twenty
ami
you'd
have
to
pay
five
thousand
dollars
out
of
pocket,
receive
a
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
loan
and
then
anything
over
thirty
thousand
dollars.
The
city
picks
up.
F
And
a
point
of
information
and
clarity
for
councilmember
kelly,
my
my
point
there
was
that
even
that
low-income
person
who
again
happens
to
live
at
the
end
of
the
line
is
on
the
hook,
for
even
if
it's
a
no
interest
loan,
they
still
have
to
pay
25
000.
I
do
not
think
that
is
fair,
particularly
if
that
low
income
person
just
happened
to
live
on
the
other
side
of
the
town.
That
was
not
at
the
end
of
the
line.
F
M
F
Which
could
make
the
cost
of
your
home
more
less,
affordable?
Okay,.
E
Yeah,
no,
I
agree
with
you
council,
member
reid,
so
I
think
that
it
needs
should
be
modified
to
not
unduly
and
negatively
impact
people
depending
on
where
they
live
absolutely.
So
I
think
that
means
it's
not
all
loan
correct
that
there's
that
would
be
covered
by
the
city
as
opposed
to
loan.
F
I
agree
nick.
I
I
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
committee
that
generally
whenever
and
it's
not
just
the
city
whenever
a
government
body
provides
a
loan
regardless
of
its
interest
rate,
there
is
generally
a
second
secondary
lien
on
the
property,
so
you
know
ida
with
its
housing
assistance
program.
It
creates
a
lien,
a
secondary
mortgage
on
the
property
nsp
when
we
had
nsp
funding
same
thing,
so
I
just
want
to
make
the
committee
aware
of
that.
That's
not
atypical!
F
All
right,
so
what
do
we?
So
if
we're
having
this
come
back
in
the
14th,
I
think
we
can
close
our
discussion
now.
Are
we
looking
for?
Is
it
the
consensus
of
the
committee
that
we
want
to
put
a
cap
on
what
a
resident
has
to
pay,
which
I
think
you
know,
we
should
figure
out
what
that
average
cost
is
if
it's
ten
thousand
dollars,
if
it's
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
make
sure
that
a
resident
pays
no
more
than
that
is.
F
Is
that
what
we
want
to
do,
or
do
we
want
to
do
this
schedule?
Where
folks
would
be
on
the
line?
I
think
councilman
mckellar?
We
know
where
you
stand,
but
go
ahead.
Comes.
E
F
E
Yes,
I
want
a
cap
and
absolutely
we
should
have
a
cap.
Thank.
E
D
A
F
M
M
F
G
I
mean
I'm
fine
with
whatever
you
know
if
it
sounds
like
you
and
councilmember
kelly
want
more
information.
I'm
fine
with
that.
I'm
going
to
do
my
own
research
on
this
and
hopefully
come
back
with
some
some
information
about
insurance
and
and
some
other
things
that
I'm
interested
in.
But
I'm
if
y'all
are
seeking
additional
information.
That's
fine
with
me!
Okay,.
F
So
then,
I
guess
we
will
we'll
still
work
to
have
this
come
back
on
the
14th.
If
not,
it
will
be
delayed,
but
we'll
try
to
get
the
right
thing
done
for
a
permanent
policy.
So.
A
With
that,
I'm
sorry
I
don't
know
what
I'm
supposed
to
bring
back
on
the
14th
now.
F
I
guess
if,
if
the
committee
is
fine
director
manager,
stoneback
and
I
and
whoever
else
is
interested,
can
continue
conversations
and
you
know
do
a
bit
more,
I
guess
we'll
you'll
be
bringing
back
on
the
14th
is
more
information.
It
seems.
D
Like
I
would
like
to
offer
the
following
suggestion,
which
is
what
councilmember
kelly
originally
proposed,
is
that
staff
come
back
with
the
legislative
language
that
embodies
the
proposal
that
we
have
been
discussing
now
for
two
or
three
months.
D
At
the
same
time,
if
there
is
additional
information
that
can
be
made
available
to
further
inform
that
discussion,
let's
take
advantage
of
that
information.
But
let's
not
come
back
in
in
a
month
without
something
that
we
can't
vote
on.
If
we
like
it.
F
I
I
yes
thank
you
for
that.
I
know
that
I
personally
would
not
vote
for
this.
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
make
a
change,
we're
going
to
have
staff
work
on
something
we
should,
you
know,
be
coming
toward
something
that
meets
our
equity
goals
and
and
gets
the
job
done
in
a
more
permanent
fashion.
I
wouldn't
be
supportive
of
this
particular
proposal.
F
I
think
it
is
trying
to
make
the
best
out
of
a
pretty
rough
situation,
but
just
understanding
the
mechanics.
This
I
wouldn't
be
super
supportive.
I
think
councilman
kelly
is
in
a
symbol.
B
E
G
F
Let's,
let's
do
this,
I
I
make
a
motion
to
or
if,
if
someone
council,
member
kelly
can
make
a
motion
to
set
the
cap
at
not
more
than
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
we
can
figure
out.
F
You
know
we
can
leave
that'll,
leave
some
leeway
for
staff
to
do
some
research
between
now
and
then,
but
I
think
a
cap
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
may
be
fair
and
then
the
city
would
pick
up
the
cost
above
that
and
then
I
still
think
the
other
requirements
to
about
the
insurance
and
all
of
that
stuff
makes
sense.
The
only
thing
I'd
want
to
change
about
this
policy
is
getting
rid
of
the
the
25
000
loan.
We
can
leave
the
we
can
leave
a
loan
for
certain
folks.
F
E
G
F
Okay
and
then
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
are
opposed.
E
F
F
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
director,
stoneback,
seeing
no
further
business
before
us.