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A
An
hour
having
arrived
39
minutes
ago,
I'm
going
to
call
the
monday
june
13
2022
meeting
of
the
administration
and
public
works
committee.
To
order
my
name
is
jonathan
nussma
chairing
the
committee
tonight
I
represent
the
fourth
ward
and
we
do
have
council
member
reid,
online
council,
burns
and
nussma
are
in
person
here.
A
Thank
you
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting.
If
councilmember
burns
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
A
Meeting
councilman
reid,
you
second,
yes,
second,
all
right!
I
guess
we
need
to
take
a
roll
call
vote.
A
Councilmember
reed,
oh
I'm
sorry.
I
thought
I
was
unmuted.
I
said
I
there
we
go
three
eyes
eyes
have
it
and
on
to
public
comment,
director
stoneback,
we
have
two
people
signed
up
for
public
comment.
A
Mr
jonassec
was
here
and,
and
he
declined
as
well
all
right
so
yeah.
Well,
let's,
let's
move
on
then
to
item
a1.
C
D
Is
is
that
my
apologies
is
the
truck
route
item?
Did
that
come
back
to
committee,
or
is
that
going
straight
to
council
this
evening?.
D
Okay
yeah:
I
move
the
consent
agenda.
A
Second,
all
right:
any
discussion
hearing
none
director
stoneback,
if
you
will
take
the
role.
A
This
is
resolution
41-r-22
authorizing
the
city
clerk
to
sign
an
illinois
department
of
transportation
resolution
for
improvement
under
the
illinois
highway
code
for
improvements
to
popular
to
poplar
avenue
from
colfax
street
to
livingston
street.
If
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion
on
this,
this
is
a
resolution
for
action.
A
Second,
do
any
committee
members
wish
to
discuss
this
item.
F
F
It
doesn't
commit
us
to
any
one
particular
design
of
the
street
and
parking,
because
I
do
have
concerns
that
I
I've
been
hearing
about
from
my
residents
who
so
there
does
need
to
be
continued
discussion
about
how
we're
going
to
handle
the
the
parking
for
the
residents.
B
Your
statement
is
correct
that
this
does
not
commit
to
the
construction.
It
is
only
committing
us
to
allowing
us
to
use
the
rebuild
illinois
funds.
The
project
is
out
for
a
bid
right
now,
though,
under
a
specific
design.
So
if
there's
going
to
be
modifications,
that
would
have
to
be
done,
probably
by
change
order
after
award.
Although
engineer
biggs
can
respond.
G
So
far
the
I'm
sorry
my
name
is
laura
biggs,
I'm
the
city
engineer.
So
we
have
been
in
contact
with
council
member
revell
and
so
far
it
appears
that
the
modifications
are
likely
to
be
related
to
the
striping
plan,
which
is
something
readily
changed
with
or
without
change
order,
usually
later
in
the
project.
F
B
A
If
council
member
revell
is
comfortable
with
it,
I
am
too
and
if
there's
any
further
discussion,
let
me
know,
if
not,
I
will
call
the
roll.
A
Thank
you
moving
on
to
item
a8.
This
is
the
truck
route
issue.
I'm
sorry!
Yes,
sorry!
This
is
the
the
truck
route
issue.
Staff
has
recommended
that
we
table
this
item
until
july
11th,
pending
further
discussion
between
council
member
head
of
college
council,
member
reed
and
myself
councilmember
reed.
Does
that
make
sense
to
you.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
this
version
of
it
just
may
as
well.
You
know
pass
here
pass
away
here,
and
you
know
we
can
come
back
with
whatever
the
agreement
is
there.
I
I'm
also
curious.
I
I
don't
remember
if
this
went
through
referrals
or
not.
B
No,
this
did
not
go
through
referrals.
It's
a
recommendation
by
staff
because
of
a
dangerous
situation.
D
Yeah,
it
occurs,
yeah
yeah,
I'm
familiar
with
the
situation
so
because
this
is
a
policy
change
one
I
just.
I
think
it
needs
to
go
through
referrals
and
we
can
bring
back
whatever
the
new
version
is
so
I
mean
staff
can
keep
this
as
a
template,
but
I
think
the
referral
can
be
made
for
whatever
it
is.
We
actually
want
to
to
do.
D
I
move,
I
move
that
we
do
not
approve
a
move.
Dismissal
of
this.
A
B
The
proposed
ordinance,
sorry,
the
proposed
ordinance,
would
make
a
truck
route
on
howard
street
and
custer.
A
Right-
and
this
is
subsequent
to
this
being
drafted-
we
had
some
discussions
about
some
direct
communication
to
interested
parties,
informing
them
of
their
rights
under
existing
city
code,
which
would
not
require
any
change
to
ordinance.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
so
we
could
still
have
that
discussion
and
vote
this
ordinance
down
right
now.
Yes,
if
we
wanted
to
bring
this,
you
proposed
ordinance
back.
We
could
do
that
at
some
point.
C
I
think
he
actually
said
dismissal
yeah,
and
I
will
concur
with
that.
This
is
a
policy
change
and
the
way
our
referrals
committee
works.
If
it's
urgent
matter,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
express
that
and
then
it's
expedited.
You
know
the
referrals
committee
makes
sure
he
recommends
it
appear
on
the
next
apw
meeting
or
any
other
committee
meeting.
So
I
will
second,
the
dismissal.
A
I
mean
this
has
been
on
our
agenda
now,
for
I
think
the
third
time,
so
it's
here,
let's
deal
with
it.
If
we
want,
if
you
guys
want
to
vote
it
down,
then
we
can
pick
it
up
through
the
alternative
methods.
C
A
So
there's
a
motion
on
the
table
to
to
dismiss
item
a8,
which
is
ordinance
16-0-22,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded.
I
will
ask
dave
to
call
the
roll.
A
D
A
Okay,
ordinance
16-0-22,
has
been
dismissed.
Item
a8
will
not
be
on
the
council
agenda
for
this
evening,
which
brings
us
to
item
a9.
This
is
ordinance
30-0-22
amending
city
code
sections,
10-1-3
and
section
10-4,
creating
a
commercial
vehicle
permit
pilot
program.
A
There
have
been
a
number
of
discussions
on
this
issue
after
the
draft
ordinance,
which
appears
in
the
packet
was
released,
I'll,
ask
staff
to
kind
of
summarize
your
understanding
of
these
of
these
discussions
and,
ultimately,
I
think
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
have
this
come
back
to
this
committee
at
our
next
meeting.
Certainly.
H
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
dr
stoneback
luke,
tatara,
acting
parking
manager
so
in
front
of
us,
is
the
ordinance
which
I
know
we
want
to
mention
right
now,
after
discussion
with
everybody,
so
we'll
try
to.
H
H
If
somebody
have
a
marking
on
the
personal
pla
per
passenger
plate,
I'm
sorry
would
we
have
to
still
require
the
permit,
but
the
permit
will
be
free
and
for
the
b
plates
we'll
try
to
issue
the
pilot
of
the
150
permits,
city
white
for
pickup
trucks,
full-size,
vents
and
minivans,
and
for
the
cost
of
I
know
those
some
some
proposals
for
350
dollars
per
year,
but
I
know
right
now,
so
those
talking
about
maybe
decrease
that
that
that
payment,
so
I'm
just
waiting
for
the
directions-
those,
I
think
that's
the
best
I
I
could
summarize
right
now.
A
H
A
H
A
There's
no
need
to
apply
for
anything,
even
though
it's
free
for
a
b
plate.
If
it's
a
pickup
truck
or
a
van
or
a
minivan
with
markings,
they
would
have
to
apply
yes
paid
the
fee.
Maybe
it's
350.
H
So
by
staff
recommendation:
no,
because
we
have
a
thousand
vehicles
who
are
registered
with
the
b
plate
and
under
current
code.
This
is
the
gray
area
in
the
state
of
illinois.
The
pickup
trucks,
because
they
are
can
be
used
for
hauling.
So
that's
why
they
have
a
b
plate.
They
don't
have
the
passenger
plate
even
when
they
use
for
the
personal
use.
If
the
committee
wish
to
ground
the
vehicles
which
are
be
played
but
for
the
personal
use
we
can
do
so.
H
C
H
This
is
a
very
common
issue
for
the
other
neighborhoods
in
here.
We're
not
only
one
who
restricted
the
plates
in
the
in
the
res
in
the
overnight
parking,
every
municipality
around
us
do
exactly
the
same,
and
yes,
sometimes
people
parked
and
don't
get
tickets.
Some
people
are
parked.
It's
all
about
your
neighbors.
If
somebody
called
for
enforcement,
like
everything
else,
city
of
chicago
is
very
strict
about
this.
H
Other
suburbs
are
like
I
say
it
all
depends
what
the
manpower
is
to
enforce
this,
because
this
only
applies
from
the
9
pm
to
6
or
5
a.m
in
the
morning.
So
that's
the
window
when
you
can
actually
can
enforce
this
organ.
Thank.
A
E
Councilman
reid
yeah,
I
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
point
of
information
and
under
a
current
ordinance,
can
you,
under
our
current
ordinance.
It
says
that
a
commercial
vehicle
is
defined
in
accordance
with
the
illinois
with
illinois
statute
on
commercial
vehicles?
Is
that
correct?
That's.
H
E
And
the
current
statute
on
vehicles
and
commercial
vehicles
does
not
state
that
a
b
plate
is
considered
a
commercial
vehicle.
Correct.
E
So
in
our
code,
under
definitions
of
commercial
vehicle,
our
current
code
defines
a
commercial
vehicle,
as
you
know,
in
accordance
with
state
law,
and
let
me
actually,
if
you
go
down
to
10
4
5,
3,
10,
4,
five,
three
parking
of
commercial
vehicles
and
buses
in
residential
areas.
It
says.
E
Well,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
currently
b
plates
are
allowed
to
park
on
our
streets
and
should
not
be
ticketed
as
the
current
code
stands.
E
E
Vehicle
code
defines
a
commercial
vehicle
as
a
vehicle
weighing
over
ten
thousand
and
one
pounds,
and
you
know
there's
a
bunch
of
farm
stuff.
That's
also
included
in
that
ordinance,
but
nowhere
does
or
in
that
statute.
Nowhere
does
it
say
that
a
b
plate
is
considered
a
commercial
vehicle,
or
you
know
a
six
thousand
pound
pickup
truck
under
the
illinois
vehicle
code
is
not
a
commercial
vehicle.
H
H
The
old
style
of
the
license
plate
will
say
in
the
site
the
business
plate.
I'm
just
saying
what-
and
I
understand
that
this
is
this-
is
the
hot
topic
issue
about
the
pickup
trucks,
but
debbie
stato
volney
should
have
the
separate
license
for
the
pickup
trucks,
but
right
now,
currently
all
of
them
follow
under
one
umbrella.
So
if
you
have
the
cargo
van
who's
strictly
for
commercial
vehicle
use,
have
a
b
plate
the
same
as
a
as
a
pickup
truck
who's
meant
for
hauling,
and
it
can
be
used
for
the
personal
use.
C
And
sure
I
think
what
councilman
reed
is
saying
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
knowing
council
zerivo's
interpretation
is
that
we
could
prohibit
b
plates,
but
we
currently
don't
not
not
in
the
way
our
code
is
currently
written.
That's
cutting
it
to
the
chase,
so
we'd
have
to
write
that
into
it
and
that's
up
for
us
to
decide.
A
I
think
our
intent
here
is
to
I'll
just
say
it
for
the
record
not
take
away
anybody's
rights
that
they're
currently
enjoying,
but
merely
expand
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
park
on
the
street,
who
don't
currently
enjoy
that
right
where
we're
hung
up
here
is
on
the
issue
of
unmarked
pickup
trucks.
Are
they
or
are
they
not
allowed
to
park
on
the
street
under
current
city
code,
council
coming
in
staff
is
saying:
no,
although
we
don't
enforce
it
well,.
A
In
the
code
and
how
illinois
law
defines
commercial
vehicle
doesn't
have
to
align
congruently
with
how
city
code
defines
a
commercial
vehicle,
but
we
we
could
write
that
in
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
give
staff
direction
to
write
into
the
ordinance
so
that
one
com,
when
it
comes
back
to
us
next
time,
we
can
finalize
this
discussion,
which
we've
already
had
now
three
or
four
times
in
this
forum.
My
intent,
my
desire,
is
to
have
one
more
whack
at
this
pinata
and
move
it
out
of
this
committee.
E
E
Yeah,
the
draft
would
change
the
definition
of
a
commercial
vehicle
to
any
vehicle
operated
for
the
transportation
of
persons
or
property
and
the
furtherance
of
any
commercial
or
industrial
enterprise
for
hire
or
not
for
hire
excluding
a
commuter
van
or
a
recreational
vehicle
not
being
used
commercially
period.
All
illinois
registered
vehicles
with
a
class
c
through
class
z
license
plate,
which
is
eight
thousand
and
one
pounds
or
more
or
trailer
licenses.
E
Recreational
trailer
licenses
will
be
considered
commercial
vehicles
as
well
as
any
vehicle
that
has
any
commercial
markings
or
attachments
passenger
vehicles
with
only
a
rideshare
sticker
affixed
to
it
and
to
its
front
or
back
window
are
not
considered
commercial
vehicles,
so
that'd
be
the
definition
of
commercial
vehicles
and
then
separately.
This
would
split
out
the
the
portion
regarding
the
pilot
program
into
a
resolution
and
not
into
code,
and
there
are
a
few
changes
there
as
well.
That
were
mostly
reflected
by
what
mister.
E
That
that's
important
yeah,
who
would
be
eligible
for
a
permit,
would
be
vehicles
under
eight
thousand
and
one
pounds.
So
that's
that
class
b-
and
I
believe
also
c
but
certainly
class
b
and
passenger
and
fp
vehicles
would
all
fall
under
that
so
vehicles
under
8001
pounds
who
are
not
or
who
are
designated
as
commercial,
but
do
not
have
any
attachments.
So
you,
if
you
have
a
pickup
truck
and
it's
6
000
pounds
it's
kind
of
a
standard
pickup.
E
You
have
a
a
sign
on
the
side
that
says
you
know
blah
blah
blah
landscaping
and
that's
all
you
have
there
you're
you're
fine
to
apply
for
this.
Permit
the
commercial
vehicle
permit
house.
C
Marie
just
to
be
clear,
those
eight
thousand
lower
than
eight
thousand
one
pounds
with
no
markings
no.
E
And
then
you
know
there
will
be
150
permits
as
opposed
to
200
in
this
reflection.
That's
it
that's
the
major
changes.
A
I,
if
I
could
suggest
we
just
offer
that
feedback
to
to
staff
outside
of
a
formal
motion,
allow
them
to
incorporate
that
shared
draft
with
us
in
time
for
it
to
appear
on
our
next
agenda,
because
you've
made
some
you've
made
some
motions
we
still
haven't
talked
about
the
price
tag
we
still
haven't
talked
about.
The
number
of
vehicles.
E
So
I
would,
I
would
prefer
emotion,
just
because
I
wrote
the
language
and
I
made
the
edits
based
on
the
feedback
here,
and
so
I
think,
stats.
But
there.
A
A
C
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
350
with
this
new
group,
because
I
was,
I
was
really
contemplating
trucks
that
were
much
larger
than
I
think
what
we
would
allow,
because
really
it's
not
even
the
size
we're
allowing
now
as
much
as
it
is
people
with
signage.
You
know
and
markings
they're
still
smaller
vehicles.
E
Could
be
the
you
know,
oscar
mayer,
winner
mobile
or
it
could
be,
you
know
something
smaller
or
that
that
particular
in
particular
would
be
pretty
large
and
actually
way
more,
but
so
that's
a
bad
example,
but
it
could
be.
You
know
some
other
smaller
commercial
vehicle,
that's
fully
wrapped
and
has
like
some
weird
signage
on
it,
and
so
that
person,
I
think,
needs
to
pay
the
the
fee.
If
they're
going
to
park
on
this,
they.
H
Just
I
can
summarize
right
now
by
allowing
the
b
plates
to
park
on
the
street
without
the
commercial
marking
we're
talking
about
additional
cars
on
the
streets
of
evanston.
C
E
Under
our
current
law-
yes,
maybe
we
can
finally
have
law
department
opine
on
this,
but
under
our
current
law
those
vehicles
could
park.
There
is
my
interpretation.
C
And
just
to
time
in
quickly,
if
we
have
a
compelling
reason
why
we
don't
want
pickup
trucks
on
the
streets,
then
I
understand
that
I
think
where
I'm
at
is
I've
had
residents
reach
out
and
say:
what's
the
difference
between
my
pickup
and
a
large
suv
right
like
we
need
to
give
a
reason?
Is
it
because
we
don't
want
stuff
in
the
flatbed,
for
example?
Is
that
the
reason
or
is
it
the
width?
Is
it
the
height?
Is
it
the
length
like
why
and.
C
If
we,
if
our
code,
clearly
communicates
that,
so
I'm
willing
to
have
that
discussion,
but
absent,
compelling
reason
why
we
would
treat
pickup
trucks
any
different
than
we
would
an
suv,
a
large
suv,
especially
a
suburban,
for
example.
I.
A
I
Okay,
thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
deputy
city
attorney,
michelle
ozeribo,
so
just
to
go
back
a
little
bit
for
the
few
questions
that
were
asked
of
me
so
pertaining
to
the
parking
restrictions
of
commercial
vehicles
currently
under
our
code
in
10-4-5-3
in
residential
areas,
it's
unlawful
for
anyone
to
park
a
commercial
vehicle,
that's
and
as
a
councilmember
reid
asked
is
the
commercial
vehicle
under
our
code
and
10-4-5-3
commercial
vehicle
is
defined
as
it
is
defined
in
the
illinois
vehicle
code.
So
to
that
question
the
answer
is
yes.
I
I
It's
625
ilcs,
5,
1-1,
1.8
and,
under
that
definition
of
commercial
vehicle,
I
can
just
share
how
it's
defined
in
the
code.
Any
vehicle
operated
for
the
transportation
of
persons
or
property
in
the
furtherance
of
any
commercial
or
industrial
enterprise
for
higher
or
not
for
higher,
but
not
including
a
commuter
van
a
vehicle
used
in
a
ride-sharing
arrangement
when
being
used
for
that
purpose
or
a
recreational
vehicle
not
being
used
commercially.
I
And
then
ours,
our
our
code
with
site
too.
E
I
Well,
it
says
commercial
vehicles,
are
you
asking,
can
they
park
in
a
residential
area.
I
Right,
it
has
to
be
for
commercial
purpose,
so
without
the
commercial
purpose,
meaning
a
vehicle
operated
for
transportation,
persons
or
property
and
the
furtherance
of
any
commercial
industrial
enterprise.
If
it's
just
a
pickup
truck,
that's
not
operating
for
commercial
purpose,
then
it
would
not
meet
the
definition
for
a
commercial
vehicle.
Under
this
definition,.
I
I
For
our
current
code,
mr
chair,
right.
A
Let's
again
summarize
the
direction
we're
giving
staff.
What
we
would
like
the
code
to
reflect
is
that
if
you
just
have
a
pickup
truck,
that's
unmarked,
you
can
park
that
on
the
street
without
any
permit
or
anything
whatsoever.
A
The
number
we're
talking
about
is
350
dollars.
Council
member
burns,
I'm
sorry,
council,
member
burns.
You
are
comfortable
lowering
that
amount
from
350
council
member
reid.
You
want
to
keep
that
at
350.
A
Okay,
so
lucas
you're
hearing
you're
hearing
a
price
tag
of
200
there.
Now,
let's
talk
about
keep
in
mind,
this
is
proposed
as
a
one
year
pilot
project,
the
number
of
permits,
as
currently
drafted,
it's
200
city
wide.
There
has
been
some
separate
discussion
about
changing
that
to
a
limit
of
20
per
ward,
which
has
been
endorsed
by
council
member
kelly,
who
is
not
present
staff
we've
talked
about
that.
That
seems
reasonable
to
you,
guys,
council,
member
yeah,
that's
fine
burns
20.
E
A
Council
member
reeds
says
150
city-wide,
the
other
council
members
are
saying
20
per
ward.
Are
you
willing
to
go
along
with
20
for
ward
council
member
reed?
No.
A
A
I
So
again,
deputy
city
attorney
michelle,
so
the
law
department
has
taken
a
look
at
whether
a
resolution
or
ordinance
would
be
the
best
approach.
We
probably
could
discuss
a
little
bit
further.
But
if,
if
the
pilot
program
moves
forward
as
a
resolution.
I
I
Oh
well,
I
would
have
to
check
and
ask
about
the
prior
pilot
programs,
because
unfortunately
I
haven't
been
here
for
those,
but
I
could
definitely
look
into
it
and
let
you
know
how
we've
handle.
A
Just
chair
will
recognize
councilman
reed
in
just
a
second.
The
lakefront
pilot
program
was
that
handled
as
an
ordinance
lucas.
A
E
Your
concerns
of
yeah
plenty
of
information-
I
just
will
say
that
this
isn't
you
know
if
we
were
creating
criminal
code
or
something
that
we
would
penalize
someone
doing
that
by
resolution
would
be
problematic,
but
the
resolution
is
simply
enforcing
directing
staff
how
to
engage
in
enforcement.
So
there
would
be
no
punitive
measure
that
the
resident
would
have
the
right
to
go.
Look
up
what
the
code
is
and
what
the
law
is
on,
not
parking.
E
C
Just
just
I
can
try,
so
you
can
move
forward,
I'm
I
I
agree
in
in
concept
that
we
probably
I
would
need
to
hear
from
other
people
but
resolution
it
makes
more
sense.
It
feels
like
to
do
a
resolution
as
opposed
to
ordinance.
I'm
happy
just
to
move
this
forward
for
it
to
continue
to
be
an
ordinance,
I'm
not
going
to
fight
over
this.
E
And-
and
we
did
the
same
thing
with
the
kova
19
restrictions
for
small
businesses
for
the
third
party
delivery
services.
J
Nicholas
coming
corporation
council,
the
resolution
is
fine
to
your
point.
It's
directing
staff
how
to
enforce
the
problem
is
the
people
that
it's
being
enforced
against
don't
have
a
frame
of
reference
to
where
to
find
the
code
that's
being
enforced
against
them,
which
is
the
point
of
the
ordinance
and
presumably,
once
you
know,
ignorance
is
not
a
defense
of
the
law.
So
once
city
council
passes
an
ordinance,
it
gets
published,
there's
now
notice
of
what
is
actually
being
enforced.
J
And
so
your
point
is
well
taken
in
terms
of
criminal
code
ordinances
being
passed,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
they
have
to
be
published
there
in
order
to
for
someone
to
actually
know
what's
being
enforced
against
them,
and
that's
why
you
know
it's
probably
more
effective
to
do
an
ordinance.
The
same
way
we
did
with
the
lakefront
parking
pilot,
but.
E
E
You
wouldn't
be
giving
them
ticket
based
on
the
resolution.
In
fact,
you
would
not
be
giving
them
a
ticket
based
on
the
resolution.
The
ordinance
would
be
what
we're
discussing
the
resolution
would
just
be
about
the
pilot
program
and
the
fact
that
we're
not
going
to
enforce
against
people
who
have
the
permit
so
no
harm
to
the
person.
Anyone
who
gets
a
ticket
you're
being
ticketed
under
the
ordinance,
not
the
resolution.
J
Okay,
the
way
that
was
just
explained,
it
sounds
like
overkill,
because,
if
there's
an
ordinance
in
place
that
requires
people
to
get
a
permit,
those
people
will
not
be
ticketed
that
wouldn't
be
necessary
for
a
resolution
to
not
ticket
people
with
a
permit.
F
H
F
As
it
was
all
super
official
at
the
bottom,
it
said
this
expires
december
2021,
but
it
was.
It
was
pretty
official.
A
On
the
advice
of
council
and
with
the
example
of
two
precedents
of
pilot
programs
being
structured
as
ordinances,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
move
forward
in
that
supports.
A
It's
going
to
be
an
ordinance,
it's
going
to
be
200
everything
else
that
we
talked
about.
We
still
have
a
motion
on
the
table
from
council
members.
The.
C
Only
other
thing
is
the
fb,
the
f,
I
don't
know.
What
is
the
reason
why
someone
would
get
a
permit
for
an
fp
plate.
It's
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
fp
plates
could
also
be
rental
vehicles,
yes,
and
so
they
need
to
get
and
that's
they
need
to
get
a
permit.
I
know
they
don't
have
to
pay,
but
they
still
need
to
get
a
permit
if
they're
going
to
park.
So
if.
C
C
E
Thank
you,
and-
and
just
one
last
thing
I
just
want
to
make
crystal
clear
for
the
way
we've
been
enforcing.
This
is
that
I
think
now,
after
the
discussion
today,
I'm
hoping
that
the
parking
enforcement
team
there's
a
clear
understanding
that
a
b
plate
does
not
mean
commercial
vehicle.
You
should.
We
should
not
be
ticketing
people
just
because
they
have
b
plates
parked
on
the
street.
It
should
only
be
if
we
can
demonstrate
that
there
are
commercial
markings
on
those
vehicles,
regardless
of
what
the
the
plate
styling
is.
A
Good,
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
last
thing:
agenda.
C
And
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
this,
but
one
of
the
issues
is
that
you
know
I
have
constituents
who
point
to
no
commercial
vehicle
parking
signs
in
front
of
their
house
and
they
don't
know
what
that
means,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
add
like
codes
to
signs
or
ad
signs
with
code,
or
we
can
figure
out
offline
how
to
do
that.
But
it's
not
enough
just
to
say
no
commercial
vehicle
without
letting
them
know
what
that
is
pointing
to
the
direction
where
they
could
see
all
right.
C
This
is
what
is
a
commercial
vehicle.
I
get
that
all
the
time
they
look
at
the
thing.
They're
like
it's,
a
pickup
truck
right
there
and
they
call,
and
then
we
tick
it.
So
we
need
to
do
something
either.
The
removal,
maybe
or
you
know,
add
some
language
about
where
they
can
find
in
the
code.
What
constitutes
a
commercial
vehicle?
That's
all
chair!
Thank
you.
All.
A
Right,
so
we're
not
quite
done,
because
there
is
a
motion
on
the
table
without
a
second.
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
ideally,
in
my
opinion,
move
to
table
this
until
our
next
meeting
to
make
the
changes
that
we've
talked
about.
If
council
member
reed
is
comfortable
amending
his
motion
to
that,
I
think
he'll
get
a
second.
A
C
A
So
moved
you
got
council
member
reed
I'll!
Second
it.
If
you
don't
want
to
okay,
let's
call
the
roll.
I
did.
A
A
A
promotion
too
all
right,
let's
reconsider,
item
a8
corporation
council
has
just
informed
us
that
the
motion
made
in
second
on
item
eight
was
not
a
proper
motion.
My
recollection
was
that
motion
was
to
essentially.
I
I
It's
the
law
department's
position
that
it
the
motion
to
strike
88
was
not
proper
because
it
was.
It
was
said
that
the
this
is
an
administrative
change,
not
a
policy
change
and
so.
H
I
On
approval,
oh
okay,
so
the
motion
was
to
dismiss
sorry.
This
is
the
reason
that
the
motion
was
improper
was
based
on
our
robert's
rules
of
order
that
the
motion
was
a
motion
to
dismiss,
instead
of
being
one
of
our
proper
motions.
So
as
far
as
abortion
to
lay
it
on
the
table.
Previous
question
to
close
the
debate
limit
or
extend
postponed
to
a
certain
time
commit
a
refer,
amend
postponed
indefinitely.
So
it
was
just
our
position
that
it
was
the
motion.
I
Okay,
so
we
would
just
our
advice
would
be
to
just
take
a
proper
motion,
just
phrase
frame
it
as
a
different.
J
E
A
move
that
we
not
approve
item
a
whatever
it
was
a8.
J
A
C
E
A
Thing
we
did
vote
to
disapprove,
so
you
say
yes,
we're
saying
we
want
to.
B
D
I
A
No
longer
exists:
okay,
there
being
no
further
business
to
come
to
come
before
the
committee.
I
declare
the
meeting
adjourned.