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A
So
welcome
to
the
administration
and
public
works
committee.
Today
is
monday
january
10
2022.
A
We
are
meeting
virtually
of
course,
and
so
I
think
all
I
need
to
say
is
that,
in
accordance
with
an
executive
order
issued
by
governor
jb
pritzker,
this
apw
committee
is
being
held
remotely
and
I
believe
we
have
a
quorum,
but
we'll
do
a
a
voice.
Roll
call,
a
roll
call
just
to
to
be
sure
of
this.
A
All
right
so.
A
This
year,
okay,
so
yeah
becorum.
Next
up
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
administration
public
works
committee
from
december
13
2021..
Do
I
have
a
motion.
C
A
E
F
Yes,
I'm
actually
still
still
driving.
So
I'm
just
I
didn't
want
to
miss
anything
going
in
the
council.
A
Sir
public
comment.
B
There
is
person
for
comment,
francine
allen,.
A
Perfect,
we
will
have
we'll
have
francine
provide
her
public
comment
right
before
her
agenda
item
comes
up,
which,
I
believe
is
towards
the
end,
is
that
under
new
business
it
is.
A
Thank
you,
perfect
yeah,
francine,
we'll
we'll
have
you
speak?
We
have
we
have
the
presentation
of
items
for
discussions
where
service
repair
costs
so
will
before
we
before
the
conclusion
of
this
meeting.
We'll
have
you
speak
and,
and
then
we'll
discuss
your
matter,
but
that's.
A
Okay,
next
up
the
consent
calendar
are.
We
would
any
council
owners
like
to
remove
any
items
from
the
consent
agenda
and
that's.
E
E
A
A
All
right,
how
are
we
we
good
to
go
good.
G
A
Okay,
going
once
going
twice,
not
hearing
anything
so
so
we're
good.
Can
someone
move
the
consensus
in
the
calendar.
A
All
right,
so
we
just
moved
and
passed
the
concentration
calendar
items
a
through
a
9,
a
1
through
a
9
and
now
items
for
consideration,
starting
with
a
10
resolution,
1-r-22
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
sign
a
professional
services,
parking
agreement
with
passport
labs,
inc
and
so
on.
Motion
for
approval
of
item
18.
D
Mr
chair,
I
will
move
item
number
810
resolution
1-r-22
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
sign
a
professional
services,
parking
agreement
with
passport
labs
with
an
amount
not
to
exceed
450
000.
A
All
right
next
up
item
a11.
This
one
will
read:
motion
approval
of
item
11.
D
Sorry
go
ahead:
councilmember
reed.
A
So
councilman
reedus
moved
approval
of
item
a11
to
the
resolution
to
review
the
remaining
balance
of
lead
service
line
loans
awarded
to
36
community
members
during
2018,
2019
2020
and
in
conjunction
with
the
annual
water
main
improvement
project.
I
will
second
that
perfect
consecutive
by
a
move
by
councilman
reid
seconded
by
councilman
menusma.
Is
there
any
discussion.
A
All
right
item
a12
is
someone
move
approval
of
item
a12.
Please.
C
Remove
approval
of
vitamin
12.,
so
I'm
just
curious.
Why
weren't
these
items
approved
on
the
consent
agenda.
B
Staff
had
been
asked
to
make
resolutions
and
ordinances
items
of
consideration
rather
than
on
the
consent
agenda.
Okay,.
A
D
So
these
were
at
least
partially
answered
in
the
document
I
circulated
earlier
today,
which
the
colleagues
on
this
call
may
or
may
not
have
yet
had
a
chance
to
look
at,
but
I
was
wondering,
if
miss
flax
from
miss
knight
and
if
they're,
on
the
call,
if
they
could
just
speak,
to
give
us
the
background
for
this
property
acquisition.
Is
this
something
that
is
part
of
a
strategic
plan?
Or
is
this
an
opportunistic
acquisition
that
just
is
able
to
support
some
of
our
strategic
priorities
like
what
is
what
is
driving
this
process?.
J
I'll
jump
in
good
evening,
johanna,
knight
and
community
development
director
and
sarah
will
probably
finish
my
my
comments.
This
has
this
has
been
part
of
a
larger
plan
in
terms
of
the
west
evanston
master
plan,
the
the
tip
district
that
was
established
many
years
ago,
the
west
evans
and
tiff
look
at
these
underutilized
very
challenging
parcels,
because
they're
long
and
skinny
and
don't
really
hold
much
development
potential
to
a
private
developer
or
private
entity.
They
are
more
useful
to
the
things
that
we
might
want
to
do.
J
Expansion
of
parks,
acquisition
of
other
properties
adjacent
to
their
the
high
school
owns
a
property
nearby
and
things
bigger,
bigger
picture
planning
opportunities
exist
with
these
parcels.
Sarah
anything
to
add
there.
K
That's
especially
true
for
the
parcel
at
the
corner
of
dodge
and
lake,
the
other
parcel
2020
green
bay
road
is
a
property
that
might
be
described
by
some
people
as
a
zombie
property.
There
are
so
many
fees
and
fines
and
things
piled
up
on
it.
It
is
impractical
to
actually
get
back
into.
K
Use
based
on
the
tax,
liens
and
things
that
exist,
and
it
has
sat
for
quite
some
time.
It
is
a
non-conforming
lot
and
it
is
a
ideal
candidate
for
us
to
have
a
small
home
developed
on
for
sale.
That
could
either
be
done
through
eths
geometry
and
construction
or
one
of
our
other
builders
who's
very
interested
in
small
modest
homes.
That
will
help
build
that
missing.
Middle
of
housing.
K
K
Yes-
and
we've
done
this
with
or
at
least
we've
initiated,
this
process
with
1805
church
street
was
a
no
cash
bid,
property
which
we
ultimately
wound
up
doing
a
deed
in
lieu,
but
that
was
you
know
they
accomplished
the
same
thing,
but
we
work
on
either
one.
K
We
got
1804
emerson,
this
way
that
has
become
the
site
of
an
eths
geometry
and
construction
house
and
we've
gotten
two
three
four
other
parcels
of
the
mayfair
right
away
this
way,
and
it
really
they
are
properties
that
are
undevelopable
unless
they
can
be
aggregated
in
the
and
the
tax
liens
can
be
removed.
D
K
Well,
what
we
do
is,
we
tell
we
say,
based
on
our
plans
to
cook
county
what
our
intended
uses
are
and
for
the
one
we've
set
our
intended
use
as
affordable
housing.
As
for
2020
green
bay
road
and
for
the
other
parcel
we've
said
it
would
likely
be
a
combination
of
green
space
and
affordable
housing
following
the
planting
documents
for
that
for
that
part
of
the
town.
K
We
have
some
flexibility.
Of
course
it
has
to
need
our
zoning
too,
but
we
basically
what
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
get
the
properties
back
into
productive
use,
either
as
something
that
we,
the
city,
may
do.
K
That
would
be
a
public
use
and
there's
I'll
give
you
an
example
of
a
parcel
further
north
along
this
railroad
right
away
that
we
already
acquired
that
we
are
looking
to
put
a
bike
and
pedestrian
access
through
where
davis
street
is
blocked
and
to
to
open
that
up
for
accessibility
and
also
to
keep
our
eths
students
from
going
across
that
firm
and
getting
into
all
kinds
of
mischief,
but
also
some
of
the
the
property
up
in
that
area
is
proximate
to
mason
park,
and
so
how
could
it
redevelop
be
redeveloped
for
more
green
space
or
or
more
usable
park?
K
K
D
I
mean
I
like
both
of
the
uses
that
were
contemplating
here:
affordable
housing
and
green
space.
You
know,
there's
some.
You
know
high
level
conceptual
plans
about
how
to
turn
that
mayfair
right
away
into
a
really
cool
kind
of
multi-use
trail.
So
maybe
we
can
follow
up
on
that
separately.
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
from
the
council
members
in
whose
wards
these
two
properties
are
located:
council,
member
burns
and
councilmember
braithwaite.
You
guys
are
on
board
with
this
yeah.
A
Absolutely
I
can
speak
for
the
property
in
the
fifth
ward,
although
this
this
work
started
under
previous
administrations,
it
remains
a
focus
of
mine
and
the
community
to
make
sure
that
this
underutilized
land,
as
as
sarah
put
it,
is
in
productive
use.
Oftentimes
in
neighborhoods
that
are
in
early
earlier
stages
of
redevelopment
land
just
sits
for
far
too
long,
and
it's
not
productive,
and
you
know
the
only
thing
that
that
happens
is
property
owners
kind
of
hang
on
to
it.
A
Many
of
them,
you
know,
fall
into
some
type
of
a
debt
or
lean
situation,
and
so
this
is
a
wonderful
way
that
the
city
can
gain
control
over
the
property,
but
it
doesn't
cost
us
anything.
You
know
on
the
city's
end
and
once
we
have
it,
we
can
partner
with
you
know
an
affordable
housing
developer
if
we
so
choose
to
or-
or
you
know,
move
forward
on
on
plans
that
have
tried
been
attempted
in
the
past
that
were
difficult
to
do,
because
we
didn't
have
site
control.
A
So
most
of
that
mayfair
line
at
one
point
was
owned
by
you
know
probably
five
or
ten
owners
and
solely
but
surely
the
the
city
of
evanston
is
becoming
a
primary
owner
of
most
of
that
mayfair
line
and
and
there's
conversations
to
to
try
to
try
to
get
some
of
the
other
parcels
that
still
are
probably
owned.
So
this
is
good
news
for
sure.
F
Great
and
just
to
add
my
two
cents,
no
you're
correct
this.
This
discussion
has
been
going
on
over
a
couple
of
administrations
and
the
one
thing
I
would
remind
you,
council,
member
newsma.
If
you
were
to
drive
by
the
lake
and
dodge
site
as
it
travels
back
it
is
it's
continues
with
the
with
the
over
with
the
power
lines
yeah
yeah,
so
the
the
conversation
becomes
more
relevant
that
we
started
last
month
with
dave
and
the
utility
boards
to
explore.
F
F
D
Councilmember
kelly
has
her
hand
raised
councilman.
E
And
so
how
many,
how
many
like
properties
do
we
have
our
eyes
on
that
are
in
this
sort
of
total
that
are
in
this
situation?.
K
Well,
these
are
the
only
two
that
cook
county
produces
a
list
of
properties
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at,
and
you
get
some
of
the
weirdest
parcels
that
show
up
on
that
list.
That
are
not
really
things
that
we
would
go
after
because
they're,
not
anything,
we
could
they
aren't
parcels.
We
could
do
anything
with
one
of
the
most
common
ones.
Is
individual
deeded
parking
spaces
with
buildings
that
just
get
lost
in
the
you
know,
so
you
get
all
kinds
of
weird
things.
K
There
are
some
really
bizarre
slivers
of
alleys
that
have
been
vacated,
that
you
know
somebody
owns
and
things
like
that
when
they're
in
a
in
a
community
as
old
as
ours,
there
are
some
of
the
weirdest
parcels
that
exist.
You
know
I
mean
there's,
but
these
are
ones
that
the
city
has
had
specific
goals.
K
That
would
benefit
the
community
and
the
properties
are
pretty
much
undevelopable
as
they
exist
either
because
of
the
amount
of
the
tax
liens,
which
is
especially
huge
on
the
2020
green
bay
road
one
or
it's
because
they
don't
they're
inaccessible
and
that's
one
of
the
big
problems
of
the
railroad
right-of-way.
K
You
know
it
runs
at
a
diagonal
and
most
of
the
parcels
don't
have
access
to
any
way
and
can't
be
developed
and,
as
council
member
braithwaite
said,
the
also
have
these
power
lines
running
over
them
which
make
them
not
developable
for
all
sorts
of
things
unless
that's
dealt
with
as
well.
So
it
becomes
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
undertake,
making
it
developable
and
getting
it
back
into
productive
routes.
E
K
The
owner
of
the
because
there's
an
owner
of
record
the
owner
of
record,
if
you
look
at
the
tax
information
for
2020
brown,
is
no
longer
the
owner
of
record.
That
person
passed
away
and
her
son
is
the
owner
and
his
name
is
mr
stevens.
We
have
already
demolished
the
house
with
his
permission
a
number
of
years
ago,
because
it
was
in
there
was
a
house
on
it
that
was
in
very
bad
shape.
K
That
was
a
blighted
property
and
we've
had
discussions
with
him
off
and
on
about
doing
a
deed
into
foreclosure,
and
I
he's
he
is
common
gone
on
his
interest
in
that.
But
the
property
tends
to
just
sit
there.
The
other
property
is
owned
by
manchester
realty
realty
and
we
have
worked
with
them
on
some
of
the
other
parcels
that
I
was
just
describing
to
actually
get
possession
for
the
city.
E
Okay,
and
is
there
anything
I
mean
what
are
the
guarantees
that
this
isn't
I
mean
I'm
concerned,
obviously
about
you,
know
changing
the
nature
and
dynamics
of
this
part
of
evanston.
So
you
know
like,
like
councilman
smith,
said
I
also
like
the
idea
of
affordable
housing
and
green
space.
E
K
Well,
the
city:
if
the
city
gets
possession,
obviously
our
first
thing
would
be
to
do.
You
know
develop
it
in
the
ways
we've
talked
about
when
council
member
newsman
was
asking.
If
we
were
absolutely
limited
to
that,
no,
we
could
go
back
to
cook
county
and
say
we're
going
to
develop
it
in
this
way.
Instead,
county
wants
to
get
it
developed
and
the
green
space
and
affordable
housing
were
elements
of
the
west
evanston
master
plan
that
we
are
following.
A
It's
just
quickly
to
try
to
button
this
up,
so
it
sounds
like
restricted
in
some
ways
or
not,
let's
say
restricted,
but
committed
in
some
ways
to
what
we've
told
cook
county
on
how
we're
gonna
use
this
space
committed
in
another
way
from
the
west
side
master
plan.
That
was
done
some
years
ago.
A
That
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
sarah,
but
called
for
this
site
to
be
developed
into
affordable
housing,
even
then
so
committed
in
in
that
way,
and
then
also
as
as
sarah
mentioned,
committed
restricted
by
zoning
as
I've
described
before
to
my
community.
There
is
already
really
restrictive
zoning
in
the
fifth
ward
and
certain
projects
that
people
equate
people
believe
were
stalled
because
of
solely
off
because
of
community
pressure
actually
stalled
would
have
stalled
eventually
because
of
zoning.
A
They
would
have
had
to
go
in
front
of
the
council
at
some
point
to
get
approval,
and
if
the
community
wasn't
supportive
of
the
of
the
project,
they
likely
wouldn't
get
that
approval,
but
we
already
have
really
restrictive
zoning
in
the
fifth
ward.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
summarize
what's
going
on
in
this
particular
part
so,
and
I
think
if
I'm
thinking
about
the
right
parcel
near
simpson,
it's
also
a
brownfield
site.
A
So
it's
it's
contaminated
to
some
degree
and
then
because
it's
unimproved
I've
canvassed
that
area
myself
and,
seeing
you
know
big
rebar
sticking
out
from
from
the
ground,
and
and
one
of
these
areas
is
a
cut
through
path
for
young
people.
So
it's
certainly
a
hazardous
area
and
then
also
because
it's
an
open
field
unimproved
with
with
no,
you
know
with
no
monitoring,
also
a
lot
of
people
dump
stuff
there.
A
So
it's
a
it's
a
site
for
flight
dunking,
which
has
been
a
challenge
for
us
councilman
kelly,
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
to
use
to
see
if
you
had
any
other
questions.
E
E
J
Council,
member
kelly,
there's
a
the
west
evanston
plan,
the
sub-area
plan
for
that
area.
Details
out
a
connection
through
davis,
so
the
area
by
mesa
park
to
reconnect
to
dodge
so
you'd
have
pedestrian
and
bike
traffic
to
go
over
there.
So
people
could
travel
safely,
be
ada
accessible,
so
it
wouldn't
just
be
for
people
who
who
can
walk
over
that
berm
and
I
and
I
think,
keeping
that
area
green
and
maintained
safety.
Their
safety
concerns.
J
I
recall
when
that
process
went
through
years
ago.
Safety
concerns
that
some
of
that
nicely
wild
area,
landscape
isn't
really
landscaped
and
people
can
get
into
some
areas
that
don't
necessarily
promote
a
safer
space
for
people
to
spend
time
in
that
area.
So
I
can
send
that
to
the
group
if
you'd
like
to
see
the
plan,
it's
what
it's
the
plan
on
record
for
for
this
area.
So
people
have
so
it
would
be
agreeing
it
would.
E
Okay;
okay,
as
long
as
that
continues
to
be
a
green
space.
That
would
be
my
concern.
I
think
the
most.
D
C
E
K
From
the
bar
yeah
a
note
having
actually
gotten
up
on
that
because
of
the
last
time
when
we
applied
for
no
cash
bid,
we
had
to
send
pictures
of
it.
There
are
a
great
many
invasive
species
of
trees,
largely
buckthorn
and
tree
of
heaven
in
that,
so
it
is
not
a
pristine
woodland.
I
can
assure
you
it's
also
because
it
was
a
railroad
along
that
right-of-way.
E
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
okay,
that
that
that
assures
me.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
I
think,
we're
ready
for
a
vote
on
item
812
and
I'll.
Just
read
it
again,
because
we've
had
the
discussion
on
it
authorizing
resolution
3-22
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
participate
in
the
2022
cook
county.
No
cash
bid
program
to
allow
the
city
to
acquire
property
at
evanston
for
redevelopment.
A
Can
we
have
a
vote?
Please.
B
A
F
A
All
right
can
someone
move
approval
of
item
a13.
E
Yeah,
I
have
a
couple
questions.
Let
me
just
pull
it
up
here.
One
moment
someone
else
can
go
before
me,
while
I'm
locating
it
anybody.
D
My
questions
were
answered
by
email,
which
I
shared,
which
was
shared
with
the
council
earlier
today,.
E
Okay,
so
I
guess
I
have
a
question
so
if
these
funds-
it's
not,
if
I'm
understanding
right,
the
idea
is
that
we
would,
we
would
issue
bonds
later
in
the
year,
so
that
and
pay
for
and
go
ahead
and
pay
for
these
projects.
E
Where
is
that
money
coming
from
initially
that
we're
going
to
pay
for
these
projects
at
because
I
understand
we're
going
to
pay
for
them
and
then
we're
going
to
issue
bonds
later
to
pay
for
them
as
well
as
to
issue
more
money,
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
rate
by
issuing
more
at
once
later.
So,
where
are
we
getting
the
money
initially.
I
Okay,
good
evening,
chair
and
the
members
of
the
committee
and
the
councilmember
kelly
yes
right
now,
what
we
have
to
do
is,
of
course,
until
we
issue
the
bonds.
We
use
the
fund
balance
in
the
cip
form
and
then
once
we
issue
the
bonds,
we
reimburse
ourselves
out
of
the
geo
bond
proceeds
so.
E
Why
would
we
issue
more
bonds
if
we
have
it
in
the
cip,
which
is
money?
I've
pointed
out
earlier?
We
talked
about
this
money
we
have,
then
why
are
we
going
to
issue
more
bonds
if
we
have
the
money?
Why
are
we
going
to
issue
bonds
again
for
this
when
we're
paying,
for
we
have
the
money
to
pay
for
it
now.
I
Well,
I
mean
we,
we
have
the
money,
it
is
the
cash,
but
it
is
already
kind
of
encumbered
for
the
projects,
like
maybe
the
bonds
we
issued
last
year
or
year
before,
and
I
think
lara
provided
you
the
whole
list
that
okay,
this
is
our
fund
balance
and
this
money
is
identified
for
the
following
projects,
which
has
already
been
approved
by
the
council.
This
is
just
a
stop
gap
arrangement
and
why
we
issue
the
bonds
later
in
the
year.
Two
things.
I
One
thing
is
so
that
we
can
make
it
a
one
bill,
because
generally
every
year
we
refund
the
previous
year.
Second
thing:
is
we
try
to
kind
of
time
that
way
so
that
we
sell
the
bonds
in
august
and
close
it
on
september
first
week?
That's
when
we
can
refund
the
previous
year
bonds
as
a
currency
funding
instead
of
advanced
refunding.
E
It
seems
to
me:
we've
had
millions
and
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
sitting
in
bank
accounts
that
it
would
be
better
to
issue
bonds
when
we
need
it
rather
like
now
we're
spending
it
the
money
we
have
on
this
as
we
should
and
then
just
to
issue
bonds
again
to
then
probably
likely.
We've
had
millions
of
dollars
just
sitting
in
bank
accounts
for
a
long
time.
This
isn't
to
me
good
financials,
I'm
sorry,
but
I
just.
I
E
But
I
don't
think
we
should
necessarily
automatically
say
we're
going
to
then
bond
out
again
this
money
that
we
spent
on
needed
projects
this
year,
and
I
also
have
a
question
about
some
of
the
money,
then
that
we
want
to
bond
out
on
things
like
street
patching
to
me
capitalizing
on
prod
these.
These
are
not.
This
is
the
kind
of
work
we
should
be
capitalizing
on,
like
street
patching
and
paving
I
mean
this
is
just
this
should
be
in
our
budget.
E
Like
street
patch,
for
example,
to
me,
that
makes
no
sense
to
be
capitalizing
on
street
patching
I
mean:
are
we
streep?
How
often
do
we
street?
How
often
are
we
patching
the
streets?
I
mean?
Not,
I
don't
mean
like
we're
not
doing
the
entire
town.
I
assume
that
every
year
we're
patching
some
streets
right.
L
Hello
councilman,
my
name
is
laura
biggs,
I'm
a
city
engineer.
I
just
want
to
answer
council
member
kelly's
question
about
how
frequently
we're
patching
the
streets
so
every
year
we're
spending
600
to
700
thousand
dollars
on
patching
streets.
Each
street
is
generally
only
patched
once
through
this
contract.
I
believe,
although
this
program
has
only
been
in
place
for
about
seven
or
eight
years,
patching
the
street
with
these
large-scale
patches
often
extends
the
life
of
the
street
by
five
to
eight
years,
without
having
to
do
a
full
resurfacing.
E
To
your
point,
laura
you
just
said
that
we
spend
on
average
I
don't
know
four
to
five
hundred
thousand
annually.
This
should
be
part
of
our
budget,
not
something
that
we're
this
isn't
a
capital
project.
This
should
be
included.
We
should
not
be
paying
interest
for
the
next
20
years
in
order
to
patch
our
streets
on
bonds.
L
E
Or
appropriate
budgeting
realizing
that
we
need
the
money
for
this,
maybe
we
can't
spend
seven
million
or
eight
million
on
a
pet.
You
know
on
an
animal
I
mean
we
just
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
careful
and
savvy
and
disciplined
about
budgeting.
If
we
budget
every
year,
five
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
street
patching,
this
should
not
be
bonded
out
period.
This
is
money
that
we
need
to
figure
and
budget
and
then
decide
what
we
can
spend
and
what
we
can't.
This
is
something
that
we
need.
E
We
need
to
patch
streets.
This
is
not
something
that
should
be
capitalized
and
there's
other
items
in
there
as
well.
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
budgetary
discipline
happening
here,
where
we're
just
bonding
out
on
things
that
we
should
not
be
bonding
out
on
and
capitalizing
and
spending
20.
You
know
paying
interest
for
20
years
on
likes
like
street
patching.
A
All
right,
any
other
questions
or
discussion
on
this
item.
E
C
Yeah,
I
don't
have
too
much
further
for
discussion
or
questions,
but
I
do
just
want
to
add
that
I
agree
with
the.
C
With
the
sentiment
of
you
know
what
councilmember
kelly
is
saying
really,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
councilmember
trump
was
saying
in
that
customer
you
might
want
to
meet
and
that.
I
C
Do
think
that
when
it
when
it
comes
to
capital
improvements,
the
our
city's
past
practice
of
bonding
out
for
all
capital
improvements
is
something
that
we
need
to
wind
down
and
begin
to
just
budget
for
in
the
regular
budgeting
process.
Whenever
we
can,
there
are
some
instances
where
bonding
out
certainly
makes
sense
for
certain
projects
certain
large
projects
but
yeah.
C
I
just
want
to
add
my
voice
to
that
and
share
that
as
a
concern,
and
I
could
have
sworn
that
during
the
budgeting
process
or
or
during
the
last
bond
issuance
with
our
previous
city
manager
that
the
discussion
began,
and
I
think
there
is
the
the
beginning
of
some
movement
there
potentially,
but
I
certainly
want
to
see
that
follow
through
with
you
know.
Generally.
C
I
think
these
are
all
good
projects,
the
stuff
that
you
know
that
we're
working
on
now,
as
well
as
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
just
now
during
the
discussion,
I
think,
are
good.
You
know
things
that
we
need
to
do
just
we
need
to
do
it
in
the
best
way
possible.
E
A
No,
no
any
other
any
other
discussion
around
this
issue.
A
G
A
Agree
with
the
sentiment,
my
focus
is
on
bringing
all
of
these
items,
these
types
of
items
to
our
budget
and
finance
committee
moving
forward.
It
is
really
difficult
to
follow
these
issues
and
know
exactly
how
we
should
and
should
not
be
approaching
it
on
the
fly,
and
so
you
know
I'm
a
linear
thinker.
I
need
to
work
within
a
structured
environment
in
order
to
understand
these
types
of
issues,
and
so
I'm
thankful
that
we
created
the
budget
and
finance
committee.
A
We
in
fact
have
a
meeting
coming
up
in
a
few
days
and-
and
I
look
forward
to
again
adding
this
these
types
of
concerns
as
discussions,
discussions
and
future
budget
and
finance
committee
meetings.
If
we
have
no
other
discussion,
I
have.
E
One
more
comment:
I
would
just
ask
that
we
consider
bringing
this
back
so
that
we
can
look
at
since
there
are
many
routine
maintenance
maintenance
issues
involved
here
in
in
this
list
of
what
would
then
be
bonded
out.
E
I
would
ask
that
before
we
issue
bond
for
this,
that
we
look
at
other
projects,
you
know
that
are
not
absolutely
necessary,
like
patching
of
roads.
This
is
something
we
have
to
do
and
look
at.
If
we
can,
in
fact,
then
we
don't
need
to
scale
back
in
some
other
areas
so
that
we
don't
have
to
bond
out
on
routine
maintenance
projects.
A
Laura
natasha:
do
we
need
to
pass
this
today
is?
Is
there
any
urgency
in
this
matter.
I
So,
council,
member
buzz
just
the
clarification.
This
is
not
the
approval
for
issuance
of
god.
We
will
come
to
the
city
council
sometime
in
june
for
the
issuance
of
bond
with
the
bond
ordinance.
This
is
just
the
reimbursement
mechanism
where
lara.
If
she
starts
working
on
a
particular
project
which
is
approved
as
a
part
of
jio
2022
bond
funding,
we
can
reimburse
ourselves
if
we
don't
do
that.
If
we
spend
some
money,
we
won't
be
able
to
reimburse
ourselves
out
of
the
2022
punishment.
E
Right,
I
understand
that
I'm
saying
that
going
forward
before
we
issue
bond
money
for
routine
maintenance
projects
that
we
look
at
other
projects
that
are
not.
You
know
absolutely
necessary
like
patching
the
street
and
consider
scaling
back
before
so
that
maybe
we
can
avoid
actually
capitalizing
on
routine
maintenance,
routine
maintenance.
I
I
think
we
really
need
to
bring
an
end
to
that.
I
And
we
can
look
at
it
consumer
kelly
right.
I
think
finance
and
budget
committee
has
decided
to
discuss
the
cip
funding
in
the
month
of
march
meeting.
So
obviously,
we
will
have
a
good
discussion
about
that.
Yes,
couple
of
options,
particularly
in
light
of
the
art
family.
If
the
council
decides
even
today
that
okay,
let's
have
the
reduce
our
bond
issue
by
x
dollars,
whether
it's
a
million
or
two
million-
and
let's
use
that
for
money.
Yes,
we
can
use
our
money.
These
funds
would
become
eligible
under
one
of
the
categories.
I
E
E
I'm
okay
voting
on.
I
understand
that
this
is
this
is
about
an
issuance
of
a
bond
going
forward
and
I'm
asking
staff
to
please
do
their
best
to
come
back
with
a
proposal
that
does
not
include
in
the
future
this
summer,
when,
whenever
we're
going
to
be
looking
at,
you
know
the
potential
of
issuing
this
bond
capitalizing
on
routine
maintenance
projects.
A
All
right,
I
think
that
has
success,
we're
going
to
move
on
and
I
think
we
you've
we've
had
a
good
discussion
on
it.
I
think
the
the
ask
is
clear
and,
as
you
stated,
we
have
some
upcoming
financial
budget
committee
meetings
that
that
will
address
this,
but
thank
you
for
your
comments,
councilmember
kelly
and
and
for
your
quick
responses.
C
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
have
a
quick
question
and
I
won't
go
too
deep
into
this,
but
I
I
am
just
curious
to
be
clear
by
you
know
both
this
committee
and
the
council
adopting
this
resolution,
and
forgive
me
if
I
somehow
miss
this.
This
does
not
this
this.
This
does
not
lock
us
in
one
two
bonding,
but
two
doesn't
lock
us
into
coming
up
with
the
it
seems
like
the
the
the
ten
million
dollar
is
almost
eleven
million
dollars
in
some
way.
C
C
I
Nothing
to
do
with
this
bond
amount,
as
I
said,
we
would
come
with
the
bond
ordinance
that
would
include
the
amount
again
the
project
at
that
time.
You
can
say:
okay,
let's
issue
x,
number
of
dollars
of
bonds
and
find
the
other
funding
from
other
sources.
So
this
is
just
the
procedural
thing
for
reimbursing
ourselves.
L
I
will
add
that
it's
not
uncommon
and
one
of
the
advantages
of
selling
a
bond
later
in
the
year
that
if
there
are
projects
that
appear
like
they
will
not
move
forward
that
we
start,
we
can't
be
a
hundred
percent
clear,
even
mid-year,
but
we
can
start
reducing
the
bond
issue
and
what
typically
is
several
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
than
what
is
stated
at
this
time
of
the
year
just
from
natural.
We
can't
get
a
project
done
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
F
C
Yeah,
just
just
to
be
clear,
so
we're
spending
10
million,
almost
11
million.
Now
we
are
going
to
then
come
back
in
at
a
later
point
and
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
recoup
the
10
million
that
we're
spending.
Is
that
a
correct
understanding,
or
am
I
completely
missing
the
mark?
No.
I
We
again,
the
council
of
great
and
lara
can
add
after
me,
like
think
about
what
we
call
it
the
reimbursement
resolution.
What
it
does
is
if
laravel
starts
on
one
of
the
branch
say,
which
is
a
capital
project
for
two
and
a
half
million
some
design,
and
she
spends
some
money
until
we
have
the
bond
profit
say
a
hundred
thousand,
that
hundred
thousand.
We
can
reimburse
ourselves
out
of
the
jio
bond,
because,
right
now
we
will
pay
out
of
our.
I
E
Well,
I
just
thought
on
page
six
where
it
says
you
know:
city
of
evanston,
2022,
capital,
improvement
program,
2022,
go
bond
list
of
projects,
so
this
does
not
lock
us
into
having
to
bond
for
these
projects
like
what
I
like,
the
one
that
I
mentioned.
No,
you
right.
I
E
I
C
Okay,
thank
you
and,
and
thank
you
both
jonathan
and
claire,
for
those
follow-up
questions,
so
I
I
just
there.
There
was
a
particular
word
in
that
that
claire
used,
so
I
I
just
want
to
ask
this
question
one
last
time
to
be
very
clear,
so
this
list
here
that
is
included,
you
know
all
great
important
projects
that
need
to
be
done
at
some
point.
By
adopting
this,
we
also
are
just
be
clear.
C
We
also
are
not
giving
express
approval
to
undertake
these
particular
projects,
and
I
think
I
just
heard
you
say
that
these
projects
were
already
approved
in
the
budget
for
2020
the
2022
budget.
Okay,.
L
L
And
so,
if
you
adopt,
if
you
approve
the
projects
and
then
you
ultimately
decide
not
to
sell
the
bonds,
then
you
would
need
to
find
another
funding
source
for
the
already
approved
projects.
But
each
project
will
have
the
opportunity
to
be
approved
individually
by
city
council,
just
like
always
great
okay,
on
an
individual
basis.
C
And
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
laura.
So
what
you're
saying
is?
Essentially
no.
These
projects
have
not
yet
been
approved
already,
particularly
given
that,
since
we
do
our
capital
improvement,
not
part
of
a
regular
budgeting
process
through
the
bonding
process,
these
have
not
yet
been
approved,
and
each
one
of
these
individually.
If
that
I'm
not
going
to
count
how
many,
but
each
one
of
these
projects
will
come
before
us
as
an
individual
project
that
we
will
approve
at
some
point.
L
E
A
A
One
moment,
but
the
source
of
funding
has
not
been
determined
yet
by
us,
and
I
think
what
this
allows,
as
it
says,
is,
is
going
to
a13
it's
allowing
us
the
ability
to
reimburse
ourselves
from
the
obligation
bond.
So
that's
my
understanding.
I
think
we're
all
clear
on
this.
If
there's
one
more
question,
I
ask
you,
but
I
think
we're
clear
on
this:
no.
C
Yeah
there's
no
further
questions.
I
I
just
did
laura
really
provided
some
clarification
there.
I
think
there
was
a
bit
of
confusion
about
whether
or
not
these
projects
have
previously
been
approved
by
the
council
and
the
fact
that
they
have
not
is
reassuring
that
you
know
we'll
have
a
chance
to
look
at
them,
each
individually
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
prioritized,
and
particularly
in
context
of
whether
or
not
we
need
to
bond
out
for
them
or
not.
So
all
right.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification.
More.
A
All
right
so
a13
has
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
and
discussed.
I'm
gonna
restate
the
resolution
just
so
we're
on
the
same
page.
G
A
E
B
I'm
sorry
less
than
a
place
council
member
greathway,
hi
councilmember,
newsma,
hi
councilmember
burns
hi,
councilmember,
reed.
A
All
right
the
the
motion
has
passed.
This
item
has
passed
for
consideration
with
one
voting
opposed.
We
are
moving
on
to
a14.
Can
someone
will
move
approval
of
a14.
D
Chair,
I
will
move
item
a14,
which
is
ordinance
1-0-22
amending
city
code
sections,
7-12-1
related
to
control
of
waterworks
systems,
ordinance,
seven
dash
or
a
section
city
code,
section
7-12-4-2.
D
Related
to
installation
and
maintenance
of
service
pipe
from
tap
to
fixtures,
7-12-4-3
replacement
of
iron
or
lead
or
steel
service
pipe
when
repairs
or
major
renovations
are
required,
7-12-11,
which
is
right
of
access,
inspections,
repairs
and
replacement.
7-12-14-1
wasting
water
procedure
7-12-16-7.
D
Seeing
none
yeah
mr
chair.
I
just
want
to
clarify
here
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
just
essentially
cleaning
up
city
code
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
just
kind
of
doing
some
internal
housekeeping.
Is
there
anything
really
more
to
it
than
that.
B
Yes,
part
of
it
is,
is
that
the
state
has
adopted
an
act
that
requires
lead
service
line
replacement,
so
we
are
taking
out
the
part
where
the
city
would
offer
loans
or
grants
to
replace
lead
service
lines
during
water
main
projects,
as
the
city
will
be
replacing
those
as
part
of
the
project,
all
the
way
to
the
house
pending
the
property
owner's
approval.
To
do
so,
and
it
also
clarifies
that
lead
service
lines
cannot
be
repaired.
They
have
to
be
replaced
and
that's
part
of
the
ordinance
modification
as
well.
A
All
right,
seeing
no
other
council.
A
To
speak,
we
will
call
the
vote
on
this
council
member.
A
D
A
All
right,
you're,
probably
moved
item
a15,
probably
moved
by
councilman
smith.
Second,
thank
you
by
councilman
reed,
any
discussion.
C
Yeah
I
I'll
just
chime
in
this,
particularly
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
there's
only
in
staff.
Let
me
know
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
there's
very
few,
if
not
only
one
class
o
liquor
license
in
the
city,
and
that
belongs
to
a
a
business
in
the
eighth
ward.
So.
A
B
E
C
I
will
move
item
a16
ordnance,
two:
oh
22,
amending
the
city
coach
increase
the
number
of
class
d
liquor
licenses
to
63
for
the
633
outpost,
estacion
at
633,
howard
street.
D
I
I
will
second
that,
with
with
a
point
of
order,
if
I
may,
item
a16,
as
well
as
the
following
items
through
a21,
are
all
recommended
or
requested
for
suspension
of
the
rules
for
introduction
and
action
at
council
tonight.
Yeah.
So
do
we
have
to
do
anything
special
here
at
apnw
or
we
have
to
suspend
the
rules
here
or
we
do
that
at
council.
C
We
don't
have
to
suspend
the
rules
here.
This
is
maybe
the
one
good
time
that
that
rule
does
not
apply
to
the
committee,
because
we
determined
that
the
council
rules
don't
apply
to
committees,
so
that
only
needs
to
be
done
at
council.
A
House,
wherever
news,
why
you
should
just
are
you?
Are
you
well,
I
get
what
you're
saying
but
separate
from
that?
Are
we
going
to
move
these
all
together?
Is
that.
D
B
I
concur
with
council
member
reid's
assessment
that
we
do
not
need
to
suspend
rules.
That's
the
community.
D
Okay,
well,
if
we
just
want
to
take
the
roll
call
once,
however,
we
could
move
these
all
collectively
in
one
motion
that
would
save
some
time.
Oh.
A
C
Go
ahead,
yeah
I
mean
I'll
I'll
amend,
I
don't
know.
If
there
were
council
member
burns,
I
know
we
talked.
Did
you
get
the
questions
you
had
about
a
yeah.
A
F
C
Matter
I
will
move
a16.
Well,
if
there's
a
difference
of
opinion
that
you
had
as
a
result
of
your
questions,
I
wouldn't
want
it,
but
I'll
move
a
16,
17,
18,
19
and
1920,
and
I
guess
21
as
well.
So
a
let's
go
back
at
that
a16
through
21.
C
A
All
right,
so
the
items
a
through
six
a16
through
a21
has
been
properly
moved
by
councilman,
marie
and
seconded
about
councilman
usma.
Any
discussion.
C
Yeah,
I
just
very
quickly
want
to
say,
really
excited
about
a16
estacion
at
633
howard
street,
that
is
the
old
outpost.
The
old
cafe,
corley.
C
C
So,
whatever
you
want,
whether
it's
caribbean
food,
latin
food,
you
know
we
got
african
food,
you
can
come
to
howard
street
and
enjoy
that
and
have
a
glass
of
some
kind
of
liquor
and
get
inebriated
as
well
and
get
an
uber
home.
So
happy
about
this.
Thank
you.
D
I
will
share
council
memories,
enthusiasm
and
also
express
the
same
for
village
farm
stand
in
the
fourth
ward,
on
davis
street
great
place
to
go
shop
for
regionally
raised
in
ethically
raised
produce,
as
well
as
very
soon
some
some
alcoholic
options.
A
For
a
few
spirits,
I
think
it
is
there's
there's
they're
requesting
a
license
and
at
a
few
different
locations.
I
don't
know
if
this
same
license
is,
is
valid,
lack
of
a
better
term
at
all
locations
or
if
it's
a
separate
license
for
each
one,
but
I
googled
it-
and
I
couldn't
tell-
are
these
new
newly
established
businesses
at
each
location
or
what's
just
trying
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
the
few
spirits
liquor
license
requests
and
what
businesses
they
will
operate
under
and
what
is
the
business?
A
Is
it
a
restaurant?
Is
it
a
distributor?
Is
it
a?
I
don't
know
if
mayor
biss
or
liquor,
commissioner
biss
is
liberal.
Commissioner
biss
or
attorney
george
on
the
line.
M
I
believe
attorney
michelle
ozariko
is
on
the
line.
Michelle
are
you
there.
N
So
I'll
give
my
best
understanding.
We
we've
obviously
voted
on
this,
the
liquor
commission.
My
understanding
is
that
all
of
these
new
licenses
are
for
facilities
that
are
exclusively
for
storage
and
it's
utilizing
these
facilities
and
everybody
kind
of
thought
that
the
single
license
would
work
for
all
of
the
facilities,
because
they're
not
they're,
not
producing
or
selling
at
the
other
facilities.
It's
just
kind
of
a
part
of
the
same
operation,
and
I
guess
the
what
happened.
N
Was
the
state
liquor
commission
either
changed
their
interpretation
of
their
own
rules
or
kind
of
discovered?
This
was
happening
and
realized.
It
was
problematic
and
because
the
state
liquor
commission
demands
that
they
have
all
these
different
licenses
with
the
state
one
part
of
applying,
for
that
is
you
gotta
have
a
local
license,
and
so
it's
not
actually
a
change
in
what
they're
doing
at
all.
It's
just
having
a
bunch
of
different
licenses
for
the
locations
where
they're,
storing
their
products.
A
Yep
that
makes
sense
yeah.
It
was
not
obvious
what
was
happening
within
the
facility,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
this
wasn't
some
throwback
bootlegging
endeavor
right.
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
helpful
any
other
any
other
discussion
around
this
issue,
all
right.
All
right.
It's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
and
discussed.
We
can
vote.
E
B
B
A
All
right
that
gets
us
through
the
items
for
consideration
and
now
for
our
last
final
item
for
discussion.
Apw-1
sewer,
service,
repair
costs,
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
or
a
walkthrough
on
this
item.
But
before
that
we're
gonna
take
public
comment
from
francine.
If
francine
is
still
with
us,
you
have
the
floor.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
am
still
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
many
of
you
know
my
situation.
In
november
of
last
year,
yeah
november
of
2020,
excuse
me:
I
had
a
complete
sewer
failure.
I
had
to
repair
the
sewer
where
it
connected
to
the
main
I
live
on
elgin
road,
which
is
actually
golf
and
in
order
to
repair
this,
it
cost
fort.
It
cost
me
the
homeowner
forty
five
thousand
dollars
more
than
ten
percent
of
the
value
of
my
home.
H
I
had
to
have
a
certain
type
of
plumbing
company
to
do
it
because
it
was
a
very
deep
sewer
main
like
oh
15
feet
or
more,
and
it
it
required
stopping
traffic
for
two
days
and
by
paying
for
that
as
well,
and
I've
been
asking
the
city
and
this
committee
and
the
city
as
well
to
have
some
sort
of
program
to
help
residents.
In
my
situation,
I'm
not
expecting
anyone
to
pay
for
it
all,
but
this
is
an
extraordinary
cost.
H
If
I
picked
up
my
house
and
moved
it
around
the
corner,
it
would
probably
be
about
a
fifteen
or
ten
or
fifteen
thousand
dollar
bill
at
most
still
expensive,
but
not
anywhere
near
forty
five
thousand
back
in
in
march
of
twenty
twenty
one
director
stone
but
presented
a
proposal
to
perhaps
to
help
people
in
my
situation
that
was
stalled
for
a
while
and
then
and
I
believe
in
september
of
2021.
H
This
was
asked
for
a
an
analysis
of
the
different
suit,
the
depth
and
the
the
depth
and
the
type
of
sewers
in
different
areas
which
dr
director
stoneback
has
completed.
I
see
his
numbers
on
the
on
the
report
and
all
while
the
numbers
look
like
there's
a
lot
of
sewers,
obviously
a
lot
of
sewers
that
are
at
risk.
What
I
think
is
important
for
this
analysis
is
to
look
back
like
perhaps
two
three
four
five
years
to
determine
how
many
people
have
actually
been
in
my
situation.
H
This
does
not
mean
that
all
49
000
sewers
are
going
to
have
failures
in
the
next
year
or
two.
We
need
to
look
at
how
many
people
have
been
in
this
situation.
In
the
past
several
years-
and
my
guess
is
it's
going
to
be
quite
quite
only
a
few
residents
in
my
situation.
Thank
you
and
please
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
B
Yes,
good
evening
committee
dave,
stoneback
interim
deputy
city
manager.
I,
at
the
request
of
the
committee,
I
crafted
a
or
generated
a
map
to
show
locations
where
several
different
situations
occur.
The
first
is
the
light.
Blue
are
areas
where
there,
where
the
sewer
is
more
than
10
foot
in
depth,
but
not
on
a
high
traffic
volume
street.
B
B
Is
15
to
25
000
for
the
the
lowest
cost
17
to
30
000
for
the
high
medium
cost
and
30
000
to
40
000
for
the
highest
areas
greater
than.
A
10.,
just
real
quick
just
for
clarification.
What
what
category
does
francine
fall
under?
Is
it
the.
B
Highest
category
is
more
than
ten
foot
in
deep
and
in
a
high
volume
traffic
area.
H
A
And
to
be
clear,
w
manager
the
we
have
I
did-
we
have
identified
that
it
is
both
the
depth
and
the
volume
of
traffic
that
drives
these.
These
costs
primarily.
B
The
the
depth
is
the
major
factor
and
whether
it's
in
clay,
soil
or
sandy
soil
is
another
major
factor,
so
anything
east
generally
speaking,
eastern
bridge
avenue
is
going
to
be
in
sandy
soils
and
that
costs
more
money
too,
because
you
have
to
put
shoring
in
to
protect
the
excavation
and
then
traffic
volume.
If,
if
it's
a
state
route
or
any
high
traffic
area,
we're
going
to
require
more
construction,
traffic
control,
detour
routes
and
single
lanes
and
arrow
boards,
and
that
cost
can
add
up
quickly
as
well
so
we'd
say
you're
out
there.
D
A
repair
that
requires
excavation
is
there
a
significant
cost
savings
if
pipelining
technology
is
able
to
be
used.
B
Is
to
the
state
that
miss
allen's
was
where
there's
a
joint
failure,
then
the
lining
cannot
go
through
so
the
pipe
has
to
be
in
fairly
good
condition
to
be
able
to
line.
A
Thanks
before
we
take
any
other
questions,
and
I
apologize
for
that,
y'all
did
do
you
want
to
walk
us
through
anything
else?
Deputy
manager.
D
Don't
think
so
I
can
make
the
motion
to
discuss
or
sewer
service
repair
costs.
A
Second,
moved
by
councilman
smith
seconded
by
councilman
marie.
Thank
you
for
that
deputy
manager,
stone
back.
Is
there
any
discussion.
E
So
I
agree
with
miss
allen
and
by
the
way,
miss
allen.
You
have
a
positively
adorable
dog,
oh.
H
E
So
I
agree
that
we
should
look
at
what
other
you
know.
Residents
have
been
impacted.
Similarly,
thank
you.
I
think
it's
absolutely
worth
our
time
to
research.
This.
B
I
can
provide
information
that
in
2021
there
were
two
sewer
repairs
at
the
at
the
permit
desk.
The
person
seeking
the
permit
indicate
that
the
cost
is
over
25
000..
So
there
were
two
and
21.
in
2020
there
were
three
and
in
2019
there
was
one
there
were
none
in
2017
or
2018.
A
A
H
A
The
other
question,
so
I
had
so
yeah
go
ahead.
I'm
sorry
was
that
sounds
good.
D
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
ms
allen
situation,
but
the
flip
side
of
this
is
you
know,
potential
financial
exposure
for
the
city
by
you
know
establishing
a
precedent
where
we'll
help
out
homeowners
who
are
incurring
expenses.
You
know
that
are
only
related
to
their
property.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
dilemma.
I'm
certainly
sympathetic
to
ms
allen,
but
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware
of
the
of
the
other
of
the
flip
side
of
the
argument
as
well.
H
But
is
it
really
just
to
related
to
my
property?
I
mean
the
the
the
the
part
of
my
pipe
that
broke
was
over
15
feet
below
golf
road.
I
mean
yes,
it's
true
that
the
that
the
resident
owns
the
the
pipe
from
the
house
to
the
main,
but
I
would
bet
95
of
the
people
in
this
community.
Don't
own
land
don't
own
a
pipe.
That's
that's
deep!
That's
that
that
is
that
deep
under
a
street,
so
it's
these
are
extraordinary
conditions,
as
director
stoneback,
just
just
repeated.
H
A
A
I
think
it
was
a
recommendation
by
staff
of
the
september
27,
2021,
apw
committee,
meeting
staff
suggested
we'll
say,
suggested
and
not
a
recommended
recommendation
that
the
best
way
to
have
a
property
owner
become
aware
of
this
potential
cost
is
to
require
the
seller
of
a
property
to
provide
an
affidavit
that
they
have
made
the
purchaser
of
the
property,
aware
of
the
location
and
depth
of
the
sewer
service
for
the
property
and
can
and
the
condition
of
the
sewer
service.
A
A
A
It
should
be
noted
that
the
location
and
depth
of
the
sewer
service
is
more
important
than
the
condition
of
the
sewer.
So
I'm
just
curious
if
we
go
around
what
do
we
feel
about
that
moving
forward
and
because
I
think
in
some
ways,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
agree
that
this
is
a
good
path
forward,
this
would
be
a
question
for
the
corporation
council,
but
if
we
make
this
change
and
make
an
exception,
obviously
before
we
make
this
change,
does
that
still
you
know
set
us
up
for?
A
Does
that
still
set
bad
precedent
where
we
would
have
to?
You
know,
provide
funding
in
in
future
similar
circumstances
or
by
you
know,
by
making
this
modification
to
the
city
code
after
we've,
provided
a
support
for
for
miss
allen
that
we
would
not.
It
would
not
set
the
same
precedent
and
we
would
be
protected
in
a
sense.
C
Oh
chairman,
if
it's
fine
chair,
I
my
real
consideration.
As
far
as
the
recommendation
from
staff
that
you
just
read
from
the
from
september,
I
believe
you
said
I
would
just
want
to
know
more
about
what
it
looks
like
on
the
seller's
side
on
an
evanston
resident
who's
looking
to
sell
their
house.
C
I
just
want
to
see
if
this
is
some
new
burden
that
would
be
added.
That
is
a
great
burden,
so
I
just
want
to
get
feedback
from
you
know,
whoever
our
expert
real
estate
experts
are
on
that
and
then.
Secondly,
as
to
the
point.
A
And
then
councilman
reid,
just
briefly,
if
just
so
I'm
clear,
you
want
just
an
opinion
someone's
opinion
on
this
city
staff's
opinion
on
whether
or
not
this
would
be
overly
burdensome
or
is
there
another
specific
question
that
you
want
to
want
to.
D
Answer
I
I
was
sharing
the
same
thought
as
council
member
rate.
If
I
could,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
like.
D
A
mound
of
paperwork-
that's
involved
when
you,
when
you
sell
a
house
when
you
purchase
a
house,
and
I
think
what
devon
is
saying
is
you
know
by
including
this
requirement
that
we're
contemplating
here
does
that
is
that
an
extreme
burden
on
the
the
amount
of
paperwork?
That's
included
or
required?
Or
is
this
just
something
that
can
you
know
be
wrapped
into
the
into
the
closing
documents
and
not
too
big
of
an
ask.
A
Quickly,
real
quick
city
manager
understand,
I
don't
know
if,
if
there
is
a
staff
that
you
would
assign
this
work,
that
could
give
us
an
opinion
on
this
matter
or
how
would
you
guide
us
and
try
to
make
this
determination.
M
M
We
can
refer
this
to
finance
and
miss
flax's
group
to
take
a
look
collectively
at
that
question
and
get
back
to
you.
Okay,.
C
B
Again,
I
I
think
that
it
would
require
the
seller
to
hire
a
farmer
to
do
a
closer
to
the
inspection
of
the
existing
sewer
service,
not
only
to
find
its
condition
but
verify
its
location,
because
not
all
houses
along
golf
road
necessarily
go
out
to
golf
road.
Someone
may
go
north.
Some
may
go
into
an
alley,
or
something
like
that,
so
one
critical
factor
is
is
to
know
where
your
sewer
service
line
goes.
B
B
B
H
And
I
had
that
done
before
I
bought
my
home
and
there
was
no
problem,
but
how
would
so
as
a
as
a
homeowner?
How
would
I
sell
my
house
if
I
had
to
put
paperwork
in
that
said
that
the
if
the
potential
buyer
of
my
home
should
know
that
the
sewer
ends,
the
sewer
connects
to
the
sewer
main
15
feet
under
golf
road
and
the
cost
to
a
pair
that
if
it
were
to
break-
or
you
know,
if
something
were
to
happen,
could
be
in
excess
of
forty
five
thousand
dollars?
A
B
Yes,
there
is
insurance,
that's
available
for
sewer
service
lines.
H
E
B
B
Some
municipalities
provide
a
minimal
amount
of
assistance,
but
the
vast
majority
do
not
provide
any
assistance
at
all,
and
city
code
is
similar
to
evidence
that
the
homeowner's
responsibility
is
all
the
way
to
the
connection.
H
B
H
But
you
know,
and
again,
director
stoneback's
proposal
was
very
reasonable
because
it's
not
to
repay
the
it's
not
to
repay
the
homeowner
45
000,
it's
based
on
on
income,
it's
based
on
the
cost
of
the
of
the
project
and
the
homeowner's
income
level.
So,
in
my
case
you
know
it
might
only
be
it
might
be
a
assistance
of
ten
thousand
dollars
from
the
city.
It's
not
again.
A
Real
quick
before
we
continue,
I
just
like
to.
I
want
to
just
clarify
where
we
are
so
right
now.
One
of
the
questions
that
we
want
answered
is
for
staff
to
determine
the
steps
and
costs
to
determine
the
depth,
and
it
sounds
like
you
know.
Reaching
out
to
a
to
a
plumbing
company
is
is
would
need
to
happen,
but
we'll
let
staff
make
that
determination.
A
But
again
we
want
to
understand
the
steps
and
costs
to
determining
depth
and
also,
you
know,
look
back
at
a
previous
memo
to
see
if,
if
we
can
understand
different
financial
municipal
financial
assistance
programs
related
to
this
issue
and
then
also
get
some
clarity
around
what
the
insurance
costs
would
be
to
cover
claims
such
as
this
and
and
also
if
it
would,
if
it
would
cover
this
type
of
claim,
councilmember
reid.
If
you
have
anything
outside
of
this,
please
you
have
the
floor.
C
Yeah
no
thank
you.
I
I
think
again.
I
appreciate
councilman
raquel's,
follow-up
and
newsman
as
well
on
this
yeah.
I
I'd
really
just
love
to
understand
that
cost
the
new
burden.
I.
C
Yeah,
so
I'm
sorry,
I
know
this
is
just
for
discussion,
so
I
I
I'll
just
add
that
I
really
would
love
to
see
a
program
come
back
similar
to
you
know,
what's
just
been
discussed
here
by
ms
allen,
and
you
know
it
was
presented
by
director
stoneback,
I
I
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
you
know
when
it
comes
to
providing.
C
Well,
I
guess
it's
just
the
sewer
line,
not
the
water
line
necessarily,
but
when
it
comes
to
providing,
you
know
an
essential
service
such
as
sewer
services.
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
that
to
be
a
communal
effort
in
many
regard.
Where
possible,
I
I
think
you
know
placing
the
burden
on
the
homeowner
for
the
part
of
the
the
portion
that
is
with
in
their
property
line,
makes
sense.
C
I
mean
we
do
have
to
share
collectively
the
burden
at
some
point,
but
certainly
when
we're
talking
about
in
the
public
way.
You
know
again,
I
agree
with
miss
allen
that
in
many
cases
we
don't
need
to
cover
the
full
cost,
but
there
should
be
some
collective
nature
in
in
such
an
endeavor.
You
know,
particularly
for
I'm,
I'm
thinking
of
you
know.
If
miss
allen
was
a
senior,
I
don't
know
how
old
I
am,
but
65.
C
C
So
well,
I
I
sorry,
I
think
about
folks
who
are
seniors
like
miss
allen.
Yes,
and
you
know
other,
you
know
folks,
who
you
know
low-income
folks.
If
this
were
to
strike
them,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
taking
care
of
them
as
best
as
possible
and
we're
providing
assistance
where
necessary,
particularly
for
something
as
important
as
sewer
service
and
sewer
service.
That
is,
you
know,
taking
place
in
the
public
way.
A
Deputy
manager
is
just
unclear
so
with
with
sewer
replacement.
It's
not
broken
up
like
the
water
service
line
is
where
you
have
a
portion
of
it
that
the
city
is
responsible
for
the
other.
The
homeowners.
B
That
is
correct
by
city
code
and
similar
to
most
municipalities
in
the
chicago
land
area.
The
homeowner
is
responsible
for
the
sewer
service,
all
the
way
out
to
where
it
connects
to
the
supermaid.
B
I
also
want
to
clarify
that
the
city
does
offer
financial
assistance
for
these
type
of
repairs
to
the
income,
qualified
families.
Already
that's
already
there.
A
So
so,
adding
to
our
if
we
can
get
some
information
at
our
next
meeting,
then
about
the
existing
financial
assistance
program
for
qualified
residents.
We'll
add
that
and
then
also
again
a
legal
opinion
of
whether
or
not
again,
my
my
question
is:
if
we
provide
a
grant
now
but
adopt
it
but
but
modify
the
code
after
that,
will
we
still
be
you
know
liable
and
to
support?
Will
we
still
be
on
the
hook
in
a
sense
to
support
other
residents
who
find
themselves
in
this
predicament?
A
So
I
would
personally
like
to
know
that
at
the
next
meeting
cosmonauts,
you
had,
I
think
your
hand
up
at
one
point,
but
I
don't
see
it
anymore.
If
you
have
any,
I.
D
D
It
might
not
be
deep,
it
might
not
be
in
a
high
traffic
area,
but
it
could
be
a
really
expensive
and
involve
some
neighbor
negotiations,
but
I
think
that's
probably
beyond
the
scope
of
our
discussion
tonight
so
I'll
I'll.
I
won't
bring
it
up
officially
tonight,
we'll.
A
End
with
deputy
madison
before
we
do
I'll
take
a
little
bit
of
a
chair
privilege,
although
we
can
mark
it
up
as
public
comment,
but
councilmember
fleming.
I
wanted
to
speak
to
this
question
so
to
this
item.
Councilmember
fleming
with
us
thank.
G
G
You
know
her
line
went
to
the
street
through
a
neighbor's
yard
over
to
another
street,
and
so
you
know
we've
been
with,
and
mr
snowback's
aware
of
this.
We
went
through
this
back
and
forth.
She
was
able
to
get
a
plumber
to
kind
of
help
her
without
replacing
the
whole
line,
but
when
she
thought
the
only
option
was
replacing
the
whole
line.
She
she
had
no
financial
way
to
do
that.
Right
and
selling
a
life
insurance
policy
seems
like
a
horrible
thing
to
have
to
do
so.
G
We
did
go
back
and
forth
trying
to
figure
out.
She
was
in
the
cdbg
area,
trying
to
kind
of
figure
out
everything
we
could
do.
I
mean
there
was
no
recourse
for
her
and
she
is
definitely
concerned
about
how
to
sell
her
house
moving
forward
because
she
doesn't
want
to
sell
it
and
not
disclose
that
this
is
where
her
water
line
does
not
go
directly
in
front
of
the
street.
Like
everyone
else,
as
councilmember
said,
you
hit
it
on
the
line
she
was
concerned
about
her
neighbors.
G
There
was
a
bunch
of
trees
at
the
city,
you
know
in
the
city,
parkway
that
impacted
her
line
and
she
was
going
to
have
to
essentially
tear
up
a
whole
corner
of
the
street
to
get
hers
taken
care
of.
So
it
is
definitely
an
issue
to
miss
miss
allen's
point
past,
just
one
person,
so
I
think
you
guys
are
made
some
good
suggestions
for
moving
forward
and
I
do
continue
to
get
very
concerned
about
our
seniors
or
for
folks
who
buy
these
houses
assuming
the
property.
G
You
know
the
water
line
goes
into
the
front
and
it
doesn't.
I
don't
know
how
far
back
than
what
the
legal
recourse
is.
I
would
assume
that
as
these
houses
are
being
built-
and
I
realized
it
was
a
long
time
ago-
the
city
did
give
some
permission
to
put
lines
where
they
are,
which
was
her
point
like
she
didn't
buy
the
house
and
decide
to
put
the
line
two
houses
over.
So
you
know
in
these
kind
of
real
odd
situations.
G
I
realize
you
don't
love
the
idea
of
the
program
we
have
now,
where
you
get
the
lien
to
get
your
property
have
seniors,
who
also
don't
love
that,
even
if
we
could
figure
out
something
like
that
for
now
and
then
go
back
once
we
had
some
other
kind
of
program
and
kind
of
financially
figure
that
on
the
back
end,
you
know-
I
just
know
I
think,
of
my
neighbor,
who
still
has
this
kind
of
lingering
overhead
and
her
concern
about
trying
to
sell
her
house
moving
forward.
What
that
means
for
the
new
owners.
A
Okay
and
then
deputy
manager
stone
back
you
had,
I
see
your
hand
was
up.
Do
you
have
any
other
remarks.
B
Yes,
I'm
only
gonna
ask
that
you
give
us
not
to
the
next
meeting,
but
the
meeting
after
that
to
be
able
to
to
prepare
a
response
to
all
the
various
questions
that
were
generated
tonight.
I'm
not
sure
two
weeks
would
be
sufficient
for
us.
A
No
problem
at
all
any
other
comments,
questions
or
are
we?
I.
E
Just
want
to
say,
I
think
that,
because
it's
you
know,
this
is
tied
to
ami
percentage
of
ami,
that
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
delay
much
longer
on
this.
I
you
know
I
don't,
even
if
there's
more
people
involved.
I
just
think
this
is.
This
is
what
we're
about
quality
of
living
and
people
remaining
in
evanston
and
not
being
going
broke
because
of
a
repair
that
needs
to
be
done
under
the
street
in
front
of
their
home.
So
I
see
no
reason
not
to
move
as
expeditiously
as
possible
on
this.
Thank
you.
A
And
and
miss
out,
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
based
on
what
I've
heard
and
and
and
how
I
feel
we
are
you.
F
A
Obviously,
all
supportive
and
understand
the
predicament
that's
written,
and
we
would,
you
know,
all
be
doing
what
you're
doing
if
we're
in
the
same
vote.
So
I
commend
you
on
staying
on
top
of
this.
A
I
think
at
this
point
some
of
the
committee
members
have
expressed
just
questions
they
have
about
this
and
in
particular,
what
we
do
moving
forward
as
a
city,
so
that
it's
much
easier
for
us
to
wrap
our
head
around
how
to
support
you
and
other
residents
who
may
have
experienced
similar
circumstances,
but
but
we
are
paying
attention
to
this.
Hopefully
you've
seen
some
of
the
email
communication
from
myself
and
others
leading
up
to
this
meeting,
but
we've
we've
stayed
on
top
of
it
and
we
will
continue
to
so.
A
Thank
you
for
showing
up
to
the
meeting
and
we
will
be
in
touch
about
this
matter
very
soon.
Trust
me
thank.
H
A
Thank
you,
okay,
seeing
all
the
items
on
the
agenda,
we
are
going
to
adjourn
this
meeting
and
we're
gonna
start.