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A
Good
evening
this
is
the
regular
meeting
of
the
administration's
and
Public
Works
Committee
Monday
August,
eleventh
2014,
and
we
have
a
quorum.
Could
we
have
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
July
28th
meeting,
move
approval
of
the
minutes
of
July
twentieth
2014
meeting
it's
been
moved
in
second.
Are
there
any
questions
additions
deletions
not
as
see
no
lights,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
all
right
item
for
consideration,
a1
city
of
Evanston?
Oh
no,.
A
Of
Evanston
payroll
through
june
july,
twenty
seven
twenty
fourteen,
two
million
nine
hundred
and
fifty
seven
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty
four
dollars
and
eighty-three
cents.
Second
provo
seconds,
it's
been
moved
and
second,
all
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
city
of
evidence
build
through
August
12,
2014,
3
million
five
hundred
and
forty-two
thousand
five
hundred
ninety
seven
dollars
and
seventeen
cents
and
credit
cards
through
june
thirtieth
2014
is
160
5312
dollars
and
16
son.
C
A
A
F
Good
evening
Marty
Lyons
assistant
city
manager,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
no
there
was
no
communication
between
the
city
and
northwestern
on
this
piece
of
equipment.
We
did
file
for
the
same
or
similar
grant
that
we
received
four
years
ago
three
years
ago,
but
we're
not
successful
to
recall
we
did
get
a
grant
for
approximately
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
of
the
previous
ladder
truck.
D
Well
and
you're
talking
about
a
certain
not
for
profit
tax
exempt
institutions,
but
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
not-for-profit
property
tax
exempt
institutions
in
this
community
and
I.
Think
the
time
has
come
where,
when
ladder,
trucks
are
costing
a
million
dollars
plus-
and
this
isn't
even
all
decorated
and
everything
it's
going
to
be
more
than
this-
people
need
to
start
ponying
up.
D
We
need
to
know
about
these
things
that
they're
coming
up
for
purchase
so
that
people
can
go
out
and
start
baking,
I
mean
if
we
have
to
or
shaming
I,
don't
really
care
which
the
time
has
come
when
we
need
help
to
make
these
purchases
a
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money
for
one
up,
and
it's
worth
every
penny
of
it.
And
anybody
who
gets
one
of
these
trucks
at
their
house
either
because
they
are
having
a
heart
attack
or
a
fire,
knows
how
much
they
were
and.
F
C
G
B
A
D
3.3
approval
of
a
contract
with
in
such
a
form
technologies,
USA
LLC,
the
Cleveland
Street
sewer
rehab
project
in
the
amount
of
two
hundred
sixty
four
thousand
two
hundred
sixty
dollars.
This
is
contingent
upon
receiving
the
appropriate
loan
funding
from
I
EPA
in
an
amount
up
to
270
eighty-eight
dollars
for
the
construction
of
the
project.
A
E
A
D
B
A
3.7
I
ask
you,
move
approval
of
the
purchase
of
methane
monitoring
systems
for
the
leavey
center
and
does
school.
The
cost
of
installation
for
the
Leavey.
Center
is
23
thousand
seven
hundred
and
twenty
eight
dollars
and
the
cost
of
installation
for
da
school
is
eighteen
thousand.
Eight
hundred
and
twenty-six
dollars.
D
D
3.8
and
I
we're
asking
for
approval
for
additional
James
Park
landfill
testing
to
the
law,
firm
of
jeep
and
blazer
LLC,
for
costs
to
be
incurred
by
the
firm
for
environmental
services
to
be
performed
by
Jeep
and
blazers
consultant
SCS
engineers
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
one
hundred
and
six
thousand
dollars.
Second,.
D
And
rainy,
yes,
madam
chair,
could
we
get
just
a
brief
explanation
from
staff
member
regarding
this
additional
James
Park
testing.
H
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
Michelle
Mason,
got
deputy
city
attorney
aldrin
rainy
at
the
testing
that
is
a
bit
to
be
approved.
Tonight
is
our
second
round
of
testing.
It's
a
follow-up
to
the
initial
testing
that
was
before
you
in
the
early
spring,
and
this
is
just
to
characterize
the
gas
further
to
further
define
whether
or
not
this
is
landfill.
Gas
are
from
a
different
source
and.
H
D
First,
firm
was
certainly
qualified
for
yes
and
highly
respected
and
they
determined
that
there
was
gas
methane
gas
right,
but
what
they
couldn't
determine
is
what
is
the
source,
and
the
first
firm
decided
I
think
was
the
first
firm.
Is
this
correct
that,
given
the
levels
of
the
different
testing,
the
results
of
the
different
testing,
it
didn't
appear
that
that
gas
could
have
emanated
from
the
James
Park
landfill,
and
this
firm
is
going
to
tell
us
I
guess
by
very
sophisticated
testing.
What
is
the
source?
Is
that
right
sort
of,
hopefully.
H
D
H
D
E
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
Miss
Mason
Cup.
We
are
at
this
point
incurring
some
significant
costs
to
both
identify,
monitor,
manage
methane
at
james
park
and
a
new
suggests
there
could
be
a
different
source
for
the
methane.
That's
already
been
detected,
but
not
specifically
identified
as
to
location
and
source.
What
are
what
would
be
our
options
if,
if
the
city
of
Evanston
and
its
former
landfill
is
perhaps
not
the
source
of
the
methane
correct.
H
If
the
source
turns
out
to
be,
perhaps
a
natural
gas
pipeline
on
the
city
will
pursue
any
and
all
legal
remedies
it
has
within
our
wheelhouse,
including
any
Rutger
claims,
which
is
a
federal
claim,
identifying
solid
waste
in
hazardous
waste
under
the
Environmental
Protection
Act,
and
we
would
pursue
those
likely
with
jeep
and
blazer,
which
is
the
law
firm.
That's
named
in
the
council
action
so.
E
A
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
I,
seen
the
more
lights
all
in
favor
any
opposed
now,
all
of
them
Grover
you're
up
next.
But
would
you
please
proceed
to
a
five
because
we're
going
to
move
a
four
to
the
end
of
the
agenda
because
the
person
hasn't
arrived
yet
right,
okay
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
with
a
five
great.
E
I
will
do
whatever
you
good,
madam
chair,
so
if
you
wouldn't
do
that,
I
would
be
happy
every
time
moving
on
to
a
5
which
is
approval
of
the
chicago
avenue
improvement
project
design,
which
is
preliminary
design
concept
for
the
2015
chicago
avenue,
approval
improvement
project,
addressing
everything
from
street
resurfacing
to
improvements
for
pedestrians
and
bicycle
traffic
from
davis
to
sheridan
road.
Second,
okay,.
I
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
said
nagar
city
engineer,
we
have
a
big
presentation,
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
the
slides.
The
scope
of
the
project
basically
resurfacing
water
main
the
streetscape,
and
we
are
also
proposing
here
to
be
a
cycle
track
between
davidson
children
with
bikes
having
their
own
signals.
I
The
purpose
see
the
purpose
of
the
project
is
most
of
the
new
students
in
the
bikers
from
downtown
use
chicago
avenue.
For
the
most
part,
we
have
pedestrians
and
the
bikes
the
cars
in
the
buses,
all
different
modes
of
transportation,
pretty
much
getting
mixed
up
on
chicago.
You
find
the
bikes
on
sidewalks.
You
find
the
bikes
on
the
street,
so
all
we
are
trying
to
do
as
a
part
of
this
project
is
to
mitigate
some
of
the
safety
concerns
and
provide
each
mode,
their
own
lane
or
their
own
space,
because
the
bikes
will
be
there.
I
Pedestrians
will
be
there
in
this
section
of
chicago,
basically
between
davis
as
we
go
through
this.
This
is
to
mitigate
the
pedestrian.
The
bicycle
conflicts
provide
access
to
the
biking,
existing
new
campus
from
downtown,
and
then
this
would
be
a
comfortable
and
safe
connection
between
Davis
and
church.
We
already
have
the
bike
lanes
on
Davis
as
well
as
church,
so
we
need
to
this
will.
This
is
the
first
step
in
getting
the
nu
students
in
the
bikers
from
the
downtown
to
the
in
your
campus.
That
is
the
entrance
at
the
Chicago
and
shared
an
intersection.
I
D
One
of
the
things
we
discussed
there
are
less
less
council
meeting
where
this
was.
The
bicycle
plan
was
discussed
was
that
we
would
begin
to
have
neighborhood
meetings
regarding
this
plan
and
at
my
meeting
the
other
night
you
told
people
is
in
the
room
that
we
would
have
neighborhood
meetings.
I
see
that
there
was
a
June
meeting
june
third,
but
that
was
before
some
of
the
controversy
started
to
erupt
and
I'm
wondering
has
there
been
or
is
there
a
meeting
scheduled
since
july
19.
I
I
So,
in
fact,
we
went
to
the
parking
and
Transportation
Committee
as
well,
and
we
had
a
public
meeting
which
was
turned
out
pretty
good
and
we
did
em
the
we
did
write
the
whole
corridor
from
church
street
all
the
way
up
north.
We
had
about
40
plus
the
people
who
did
it
right
the
bike,
and
then
we
came
back
so
and
just
to
get
a
feel
for
what
it
would
take
to
go
on.
Chicago's,
Alhassan,
sheldon
road.
I
I'm
just
going
to
start
from
the
easier
section
this
is
between
chicago
shared
in
the
intersection
coming
south
the
clark
street
right
now
we
have
mostly
non
metered
parking
spaces
on
both
sides,
and
this
parking
is
pretty
much
used
by
the
students.
So
as
a
part
of
the
project.
I
just
wanted
to
make
two
things
clear:
there
is
no
widening
and
there
are
no
tree
impacts.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
cycle
track
two-way
cycle
trap
is
build
within
the
existing
street.
I
There
will
be
no
widening,
so
what
we
are
planning
to
do
is
remove
the
16
non
metered
parking
spaces
on
the
west
side
and
convert
the
19
non
metered
spaces
to
generate
some
parking
on
the
east
side.
This
there
is
already
existing
parking.
We
want
to
install
the
parking
meters
to
generate
some
revenue
on
the
east
side
of
Chicago
between
sheridan
and
clark.
J
E
I
I
This
to
our
okay.
E
I
The
next
section
you
know
we
could
have
installed
the
bike
lane
on
the
west
side,
but
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
to
go
around.
There
are
a
couple
of
trees
in
the
middle
of
the
block
to
go
around
the
trees
and
try
to
separate
the
pedestrians
as
well
as
the
bikes.
At
the
same
time,
you
know
maintain
some
parking,
so
we
will
be
pretty
much
retain
eight
spaces
between
this
is
between
Church
Street
and
clark
street.
So
we
are
going
to
go
around
still.
I
I
This
is
the
section
that
we
feel
will
be
impacted,
but
we
have
some
measures
to
mitigate
this.
This
is
the
section
between
davison
church.
Most
of
the
bikes
that
are
coming
east
on
church
will
go
north
on
Chicago,
but
if
they
have
to
go
west,
they
have
to
use
Davis.
If
we
do
not
extend
the
bike
lane
between
days
in
church,
then
you
will
see
most
of
the
bikes
will
start
using
church
street
as
a
two-way,
even
though
it
is
one
way.
I
So
we
think
we
need
to
get
them
to
a
certain
point
where
they
can
go
west
on
davis
strait.
So
we
would
pretty
much
bring
the
bikes
up
to
davis
and
then
they
can
go
west.
We
are
not
making
any
changes
on
the
east
side,
but
we'll
be
losing
13
metered
spaces
on
them
on
the
west
side,
but
in
discussions
with
this
will
suggested
the
parking
and
Transportation
Committee
as
well
and
discussions
with
the
Ricky
was.
We
have
the
whole
ground
floor
at
the
church
street
garage.
I
The
parking
is
not
being
used,
so
we
will
have
approximately
70
parking
spaces
which
will
be
assigned
to
our
parking
with
first,
our
free,
the
occupancy
rate,
is
only
between
forty
and
fifty
percent,
so
there
is
enough
space
there
there
is
not
being
utilized.
So,
even
though
we
are
removing
the
on
street
parking,
we
are
providing
plenty
of
parking
at
the
HS
street
garage.
I
I
This
is
going
to
be
concurrent
phase,
1
phase
2
a
project,
so
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
finalize
the
design
and
then
come
back
to
a
and
pw
with
our
review
of
the
final
design,
which
would
be
pretty
much
what
we
are
presented.
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
stay
with
our
design.
What
we
present
it
today
and
then
go
for
a
project
leading
any
this
project
is
since
it
has,
a
federal
funding,
has
to
be
led
through
I
dot
and
there's
a
longer
timeframe
for
them
so
project
letting
in
the
construction.
I
B
Hi
I
always
good
to
see
you,
as
you
know,
I'm
extremely
opposed
to
this
plan.
I
think
it
really
hasn't
addressed
concerns.
I
think
that
the
the
limited
actual
meetings
on
this
have
also
of
a
concern
the
eliminating
parking
in
the
downtown.
Even
though
there's
parking
on
the
in
the
in
the
garage,
we
know
we're
well
aware,
we
hear
all
the
time
from
residents
that
they
want
to
park
it
meters
closer
to
the
businesses,
we're
trying
very
hard
to
do
more
economic
development.
B
We
have
a
robust
economic
development
program
for
downtown,
as
well
as
other
parts
of
the
city,
and
this
I
believe
is
in
contrast
to
our
goal,
to
bring
more
people
downtown.
This
makes
it
challenging
and
anytime
we
talk
about
eliminating
more
parking
in
that
area.
It
just
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
B
Additionally,
it
is
so
tight
in
those
two
blocks.
I
just
walked
it
twice
today
and
it's
dangerous
to
add.
Bikers
on
Chicago
there,
you
have
a
lot
of
congestion
heping,
you
have
buses,
you
have
cars.
You
have
a
lot
of
various
turning
heaven
that
at
Chicago
and
church
right
by
the
whole
foods.
How
more
people
are
not
injured
there?
It
is
amazing
to
me
it
is
a
dangerous
intersection
and
then
we're
adding
in
a
bike
lane
to
that.
G
B
To
me.
On
top
of
that,
it's
not
coordinated
with
how
you
were
then,
let's
say
you,
you
do
bring
them
down
the
west
side
of
Chicago
again,
which
I
think
is
wrong.
You
dump
them
there
at
the
Chicago
and
church
you
aren't
explaining
to
them
or
giving
direction
how
to
get
to
the
lake
front
path
from
there.
You
are
also
not
been
coordinating
it
with
what
will
happen
when
the
Sheridan
bike
piece.
B
That
goes
north
from
there
up
Sheridan
how
you're
coordinating
that
piece
of
it,
so
it
doesn't
to
being
on
the
east
side,
makes
our
being
on
the
west
side
of
Chicago
makes
zero
sense
being
on
the
west
side
on
the
east
side
makes
a
little
bit
more
sense,
not
a
whole
lot
more
sense,
particularly
since
you
have
the
apartment,
building
with
the
big
berm.
So
a
lot
of
people.
B
If
you're
going
to
eliminate
parking
which
I'm
against
you
would
put
it
on
the
east
side
and
then,
if
you're,
bringing
them
the
bikes
down
to
share
it
in
at
Chicago,
you
can
do
a
bike
lane
that
continues
on
up
share
it
in
or
you
can
make
a
bike
lane
that
turns
goes
across
Sheridan
at
the
arch.
Make
a
right
and
do
a
bike.
Lane
will
then
bring
you
into
the
path
at
the
lakefront.
B
Currently
how
how
you,
how
its
configured
it
is
very
confusing
and
dangerous
for
pedestrians,
bicycles,
cars,
it
just
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense.
I'm
continue
to
be
disappointed
by
this
bike
plan.
I,
don't
think
it
makes
sense
and
I
I
think
it's
a
liability
for
for
bikers
and
pedestrians
and
cars.
So.
B
Comment
and
why
you
aren't
coordinating
it
is
beyond
me
why
you
haven't
taken
to
account
I'm
sure
that
businesses
are
concerns
about
the
parking
I,
think
you've
ignored
comments
from
businesses,
you've
ignored
the
safety
concerns
of
the
community
and
of
bikers
and
I
I'm,
really
befuddled.
Why
there
isn't
a
better
plan
that
coordinates
with
the
lakefront
I,
don't
understand
why
we're
not
continuing
on
to
hinman
the
where
it's
a
lot
less
congested
or
we're
doing
something
further
west?
B
E
Thank
you,
mr.
new
new
car.
I
think
I
agree
that
the
missing
link
is
from
our
downtown
to
the
lakefront,
but
that's
in
the
next
phase,
and
that's
not
part
of
this
part
of
the
project.
I've
been
on
the
steering
committee
for
the
the
chicago
sheridan
road
improvement
project,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
safety
is
been
a
paramount
concern
all
the
way
along
and
trying
to
do
something
that
makes
sense
in
a
built-up
community.
E
With
a
lot
of
density
in
our
downtown
and
the
fact
of
cyclists
and
pedestrians,
there
they're
not
going
to
move
there,
they're
going
to
be
there
and
they're
always
going
to
be
there.
The
counts
of
the
numbers
of
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
Just
at
the
Chicago
Sharon,
an
intersection
are
astonishing
to
me
at
the
volume
of
traffic
there
and
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
change
those
cyclists
and
those
pedestrians
will
always
be
there.
The
question
is
how
do
engineer
a
solution
that
gets
us
to
protection
for
them
and
and.
E
Talking
about
yeah
exactly,
and
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
really
good
engineering
minds
on
this
and
and
trying
to
find
the
balance
between.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
protect
people?
How
do
we
minimize
widening
of
the
road?
How
do
we
minimize
tree
impact
and
and
how
do
we
accommodate
the
real
needs
of
businesses
to
have
parking
in
close
proximity
to
their
businesses
and
still
acknowledge
that
there
are
large
numbers
of
cyclists
who
are
going
to
be
coming
downtown
and
spending
their
money?
E
A
bike-friendly
City
is
also
good
for
business
in
so
many
ways
and
I
think
we
underestimate
how
many
of
people
who
patronize
our
businesses
in
downtown
get
there
on
foot
or
by
bike
and
not
necessarily
requiring
a
car
to
do
it
so
I've
been
part
of
the
discussions
in
the
evolution
of
these
engineering
design
plans
for
it
and
it's
it's
a
puzzle.
It
really
is
a
puzzle
to
try
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
balance
all
this?
E
E
On
Chicago,
Avenue
and
they're,
not
on
hinman
and
I,
think
sometimes
you
need
to
put
the
bike
lanes.
The
bike
facilities,
where
the
cyclists
already
are
similar
to
paths
of
intention
when
the
high
school
redid,
some
of
their
the
front,
walk
ways
they've
paved.
Finally,
they
created
sidewalks,
where
the
students
were
already
walking,
acknowledging
that
students
are
taking
high
school
students,
the
shortest
distance
between
those
two
points
and
they
simply
made
them
permanent
sidewalks.
In
this
case,
the
cyclists
are
already
on
these
roads
they're
already
on
these
sidewalks
I.
E
Don't
think
we're
going
to
move
them
a
block
east
to
hinman
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
move
them
a
block
west
they're,
taking
the
shortest
route
and
right
now
it's
it's
just
not
as
I
agree.
It's
just
not
a
safe
route.
It's
the
it's
a
it's
a
heavily
congested,
very
dense
part
of
our
city,
and
this
is
where
they're
going
to
be.
How.
C
E
Accommodate
them,
how
do
we
make
room
for
them?
The
this
proposal
is
the
closest
we've
come
to
finding
the
solving
the
puzzle
of
how
do
we
make
room
for
everybody
in
this
area
and
it's
it's.
We've
got
some
really
great
engineers
working
on
this,
and
none
of
it
is
haphazard.
They've
gone
through
so
many
different
versions
and
design
proposals
for
it
to
get
to
this
I'll
remembers
yeah.
B
The
question
of
not
of
not
going
to
him
and
still
I,
don't
think,
has
been
answered,
and
there
aren't
many
people
on
the
roadway
here
in
Chicagoan
and
to
do
this
and
not
have
a
coordinated
with
Sheridan
going
north
or
getting
to
the
lakefront
is
irresponsible
and
there's
no
other
way
to
look
at
it
and
I
think
that
we
can
do
better
than
what
we've
done.
I
agree.
It's
a
puzzle,
piece
I
am
100-percent
for
cycling.
B
I,
walk
downtown
from
my
office,
regularly
I
cycle
downtown
I
cycle
to
the
health
club,
but
this
piece
is
not
thought
through
in
a
well-designed
manner.
That's
going
to
connect
going
forward
it.
We
can
do
better
than
what
we're
doing
on
this
and
that's
my
point
of
it.
I'm
100-percent
again
for
cycling,
one
hundred
percent
for
economic
development.
We
shouldn't
be
taking
this
parking
away.
B
B
Grover,
that's
the
exact
point.
Is
that
we're
doing
it
in
a
piecemeal
fashion
which
a
puzzle
pieces
are
going
to
try
to
cram
things
together,
and
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
too.
If
you
decide
that
you're
going
to
have
it
on
one
side
and
then
oh,
it
makes
more
sense
if
you're
going
north
on
sheridan
to
have
it
on
the
east
side
versus
a
website.
I
think.
B
B
B
A
Well,
yeah,
but
any
of
those
meetings
are
open
to
anyone.
So
I,
don't
you
know?
Maybe
they
were
held
in
those
words
because
it
covers
goes
through
that,
but
I
don't
think
they
would
exclude
other
people.
We
don't
want
to
do
that
autumn
and
rainy,
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on.
Al
merini,
I
know
nobody's
being.
D
Excluded
but
here's
the
problem
at
my
ward
meeting
people
expressed
extreme
concern
about
by
the
way
we've
done
the
bike
lanes,
thus
far
all
over
the
city,
not
necessarily
in
my
ward.
Now,
when
there's
a
ward
meeting
the
seventh
Ward
meeting
people,
how
are
people
supposed
to
know
that
live
on
dobson
that
at
the
seventh
Ward
meeting,
the
big
topic
of
discussion
is
going
to
be
the
configuration
of
bike
lanes.
I
mean
they
don't
know
that
yet
they're
up
there
riding.
So
that's
the
problem.
D
There
has
to
be
a
very
important
alert
put
out
that
bike
meetings
are
being
held
in
the
seventh
Ward
meeting
of
the
ninth
ward
meeting
in
third
ward
at
the
8th
board
meeting,
because
my
constituents
were
were
assured
that
they
would
be
that
there
would
be
a
meeting
for
the
bike
lanes
down
in
my
neighborhood,
but
your
neighbors
ride
down
Dutch
I'm,
sure
I
hope
they
do.
They
have
to
get
the
word
aight
so
anyway,
it's
it
very
important
that
we
know
about
it.
J
J
We
have
a
grant,
so
we
have
a
grant
which
we
brought
to
city
council
before
we
apply
for
the
grant
and
laid
out
the
entire
project
to
cover
chicago
avenue
and
sheridan
road,
and
so
that
grant
is,
for
one
point,
one
point:
five
million
dollars
to
do
chicago
avenue
and
sheridan
rode
the
bike
lane
portion
of
chicago
avenue
in
sheridan
road,
but
understand
that
there's
streetscape
and
their
street
resurfacing.
That
is
desperately
needed
on
both
corridors
so
soaked.
For
us.
J
It
made
sense
to
group
all
these
together
to
try
to
address
all
of
the
issues
as
it
relates
to
biking
with
regards
to
connections.
There
are
existing
connections
on
on
church
and
davis
that
eventually
on
the
on
the
the
south
end,
would
actually
connect
over
to
to
hinman
and
also
chicago
avenue
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
with
the
2015
projects,
the
up
and
coming
projects,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
sheridan
road.
J
So
there
are
the
connection
pieces,
but
for
us
that
the
timing
is
the
issue
for
us,
so
we're
trying
to
get
Chicago
Avenue
done,
because
that's
the
first
project
that
the
consultant
is
going
to
start
constructing
in
the
spring.
So
in
order
for
us
to
get
this
done
in
2015,
we
have
to
do
Chicago
Avenue
first,
so
they
need
to
have
approval
to
start
that
design
and
start
working
with
I
got
to
get
those
approvals.
So
we
could
then
move
on
in
June
of
2015
to
do
sheridan
road.
J
We
also
have
a
portion
of
hitman
that
is
also
scheduled
for
4
2015,
as
well
to
kind
of
connect,
the
dots
that
that
that
you're
describing
so
and
if
we
can't
put
all
of
those
pieces
together,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
biking
piece
or
it
makes
sense
why
we
redoing
the
road
to
figure
out
that
the
biking
configuration.
Then
the
project
would
move
to
2017
because
we
have
to
do
Emerson,
rich
green
bay
in
2016,
and
we
can't
have
both
intersections
and
roadways
closed
at
the
same
time.
J
So
in
all
of
this
for
the
CIP,
the
three-year
plan
of
you
know
Sheridan
role.
When
we
finish
here
in
Rhode
in
2012,
we
indicated
that
in
2015,
actually,
originally
it
was
2014.
We
moved
it
back
a
year
to
2015
to
resurface
the
the
last
portion
of
Sheridan
was
there.
So
we
have
been
out
talking
about
it.
The
biking,
you're,
you're,
correct,
the
biking
was
added
to
just
we
apply
for
the
grant
and
got
the
1.4
million
said.
B
K
Having
care
members
of
the
committee
of
the
council
and
this
committee
has
spent
several
meetings
now
talking
about
bike
issues,
I'm
concerned
that
perhaps
we
are
not
in
sync
and
I-
I-
think
that
if
this
committee
this
evening
could
either
say
yes,
we
are
in
sync
in
that
we
need
to
continue
to
move
forward,
know
there's
perhaps
some
additional
work
that
needs
to
be
done,
or
we
just
need
to
stop
everything
because
I
think,
rather
than
have
these
discussions
continue,
oh
your
staff
needs
a,
I
think,
a
clear
direction,
I'm.
What
I'm
hearing
is.
K
We
are
not
in
sync
and
despite
what
we
may
have
with
grants,
despite
what
we
have
with
plans,
if
we
are
not
doing
what
you
believe
your
residents,
your
constituents
feels
appropriate.
Then
this
seems
like
a
little
charade
that
we're
going
through
this
dance
with
you
each
time.
So
if
the
committee
you
do
the
provide
direction
or
if
we
need
to
bring
this
to
the
full
council
but
I
think
at
this
point
the
conversation
is
starting
to
get
a
little
cyclical
and
I,
don't
think
that's
to
anyone's
benefit.
Your
time
is
valuable
staff.
Consultants.
K
Time
is
valuable,
so
vam
chair
would
just
ask
if
you
feel
we're
out
of
sync.
If
you
could
give
us
that
direction
and
we
would
go
back
and
regroup
and
come
back
to
you
in
September,
we
have
another
presentation
later
in
the
evening.
I
don't
want
to
have
a
gun,
the
same
discussion
if
we
need
to
if
we
need
to
stop
and
regroup
a
little
bit.
G
E
It
two
weeks
ago
that
we
started
discussion,
the
bike
plan
or
the
or
this
project
and
that
got
held
to
this
meeting.
But
what
happened?
Was
we
short-circuited
the
presentation
that
had
all
of
the
background
information
for
this
actual
design
that,
as
the
pedestrian
counts,
everything
that
went
in
to
producing
this
proposed
design
and
and
we
haven't
had
the
benefit
of
seeing
and
understanding
that
I
don't
think
at
all?
E
K
A
K
Yeah
I
don't
appreciate
one
direction:
I
think
that
it's
difficult
at
this
point
I
think
to
sort
through
the
various
messages
I'm
hearing
for
members
of
the
council,
and
I
think
it
would
just
be
to
our
benefit
as
the
staff
to
get
a
single
direction
from
the
council
and
we're
riding
with
these
projects.
Column.
D
E
And
grover
make
you,
I
think,
that's
a
good
ideas
is,
and
I
hope
it
would
include
the
presentation
about
alternatives,
the
the
array
of
alternatives
that
were
considered
and
rejected
for
a
lot
of
reasons
that
we
all
care
about,
and
I
think
they
would
be
helpful
with.
We've
got
the
time
and
the
energy
to
undertake
a
better
understanding
of
the
bike
design.
Well,.
E
K
You
know
a
madam
chair:
we
have
the
city
council
has
monday
September
29th
currently
open.
Would
we
be
able
to
bring
this
segment
as
well
as
the
remainder
of
sheridan
road
to
a
special
meeting
of
the
council
on
the
20,
because
I
think
those
it's
the
it's
the
sheridan
road
chicago
avenue
piece,
which
is,
I
think,
most
critical
type
to
funding.
K
So
I
think
we're
going
to
be
some
additional
meetings
we
could
have
in
another
meeting
on
this
subject
a
citywide
meeting
if
you'd
like
between
now
and
September
29th,
that
would
have
additional
discussion,
but
those
are
really
the
the
segments
that
we're
most
concerned
about.
There
are
other
segments
that
are
further
out
into
into
2015
and
beyond,
but
it.
A
K
A
A
You
that
clear
enough!
Okay
lets
it
go
over
that
with
you
right.
A
A
Second,
okay:
spin
move
the
second
spin
hell
a
70
woman
breath.
D
E
A
My
move
it
in
second
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed.
Ok,
good.
That
concludes
our
items
for
discussion-
pension-
oh
I'm,
sorry,
Mike
Murray!
You
were
supposed
to.
Let
me
know
when
they
got
here.
I
hear
they're
here:
ok,
so
we
go
back
now
to
a
or
4
which
is
the
rule
of
the
January
1
2014
police
and
fire
pension
actuarial
report.
Good.
F
Evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
Marty
Lyons
assistant
city
manager
and
chief
financial
officer,
we
have
the
annual
actuarial
report
before
you
tonight.
This
year's
report
does
include
a
couple
of
different
options
once
again:
the
city's
police
pension
board,
firefighters,
pension
board
and
the
city
treasurer
of
all
work
together
to
bring
this
report
to
you,
and
that
is
still
a
rarity
in
Illinois
where
all
of
those
agencies
all
work
together,
rather
than
try
and
go
their
own
way.
F
So
without
going
into
too
much
detail,
I'll
just
point
out
that
using
a
six
point,
five
percent
rate,
which
is
about
halfway
in
between
what
moody
says,
we
should
have
there
at
about
five
point:
six
percent
and
fitch,
which
is
at
about
seven
percent.
That's
per
my
most
recent
meetings
with
them
when
we
were
having
our
bonds
evaluated
we're
in
between
those
two
national
ratings
agency
and
what
is
a
responsible
level
of
funding
for
your
pensions
or
what
they
use.
F
So
I'm
assuming
alcohol
it
responsible
because
they
use
it
so,
given
that
the
amount
for
fire
is
six
million,
two
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
nine
hundred
and
twenty
eight
dollars
in
the
amount
for
police
is
eight
million.
Seven
hundred
and
five
thousand
two
hundred
and
seven
dollars,
which
would
result
in
184,000,
298
dollar
increase
to
the
2014
levy
payable
in
2015
I,
would
make
note
that
the
vet
recommendation
accounts
for
a
slight
increase
in
police
and
a
decrease
in
fire.
F
We
do
not
have
to
make
the
decision
this
evening,
whether
or
not
to
add
anything
additional.
If
we
wanted
to
have
fire
remain
at
the
level
that
it
was
at
in
the
previous
year.
That
can
be
a
part
of
our
budget
process.
Tonight's
action
requested
is
to
approve
the
report
at
at
one
of
these
levels
or
to
give
direction
on
how
else
the
council
would
proceed.
Mr.
art
tepfer
is
here
mr.
Darren
dougherty
from
the
present
of
the
firefighters
pension
fund
and
mr.
Tim
schoolmaster
police
pension
fund
president
is
also
here
and
gentlemen.
F
D
Marty,
could
you
just
explain
what
those
percentage
points
are
and
that
they
are
the
return
on
the
investment
it
because
you
just
threw
out
sorry,
I
don't.
G
D
F
You
alderman
Rainey,
yes,
the
city
has
and
all
Illinois
municipalities
must
make
a
variety
of
assumptions
when
it
comes
to
determining
how
the
fund
the
pension
fund
will
perform
into
the
future.
And
one
of
those
assumptions
is
what
rate
of
return
will
the
investments
in
the
bank
that
each
fund
has
what
will
they
earn
over
the
next
25
years
or
30
years,
so
that
we
can
then
determine
how
much
to
put
away
as
a
city
funding
amount?
F
And
this
year
we
are
looking
at
a
report
that
used
a
six
point:
seven,
five
percent
investment
rate
of
return
or
a
six
point:
five
percent
investment
rate
of
return.
If
you
raise
the
investment
rate
of
return,
then
you
look
better
funded
because
you're
saying
I'm
going
to
make
more
money
on
my
money
into
the
future.
F
If
you
lower
it
you're
being
a
little
bit
more
conservative
and
given
the
formula
for
down
state
police
and
fire
pension,
where
we
can
only
be
sixty-five
percent
in
equities
and
thirty,
five
percent
in
bonds
or
other
fixed
income,
we
did
great
this
year.
We
got
an
eleven
percent
rate
of
return,
but
we're
not
expecting
another.
Eleven
percent
of
given
what's
happening
this
year
with
both
the
bond
and
stock
markets.
A
D
Just
make
one
one
more
question:
point,
that's
not
as
intelligent
as
one
you're
going
to
make,
but
just
let
me
make
it
an
important
thing
for
us
to
remember
and
for
the
community
taxpayers
to
remember
is
that
if
we
say
seven
percent
and
generated
is
four
percent,
then
that
increases
the
gap
of
unfunded
liability
in
pension
fund.
Unless
the
city
of
course,
steps
up
and
covers
the
loss
of
the
three
percent
and
we
pay
interest
on
that
gap.
Yeah
man.
L
What
we
really
are,
assuming
is
what
the
discount
rate
is
on
the
pension
that
will
be
payable
or
the
event
that
will
occur
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
it
really
makes
no
difference
and
doesn't
impact
at
all
the
fact
that
we
earned
eleven
percent
last
year
that
works
toward
the
asset
side
of
the
equation.
The
discount
rate
is
assumed.
L
Rate
of
return
is
the
discount
on
the
liabilities
that
we
have
the
future
pension
payments
that
are
going
to
be
made
and
they're
really
not
liabilities,
because
at
this
point
we
can
only
estimate
what
they
are.
We
can
do
actuarial
calculations.
So
I
don't
like
to
look
at
things
as
saying
well,
we
are
assuming
that
we're
going
to
earn
six
and
a
half
percent
on
our
money.
L
We
are
trying
to
approximate
how
much
money
we
need
today
if
we
are
worried
about
the
last
payment
pension
payment
that
the
youngest
police
officer
firefighter
is
going
to
receive,
and
we
have
to
try
to
place
an
actuarial
value
on
that.
But
it's
a
discounted
value
when
we
assume
a
lower
discount
rate
means
we
mean
more
money
today.
L
L
Term
we
need
to
assure
that
we're
building
up
the
assets
that
hopefully
will
ultimately
become
payable,
we're
not
overstating
or
understating
them.
So
it's
not
an
assumed
vestment
return.
It
is
a
discount
factor
which
is
somewhat
controlled
by
the
fact
that
there's
an
actuary
here
who
thinks
he
knows
all
the
answers.
At
least
that's
what
the
license
on
the
wall
says
doesn't
affect
what
these
people
do
when
they
manage
their
money.
L
Their
job
is
to
go
out
and
get
the
best
investment
rate
that
they
current
can,
with
the
amount
of
risk
that
we
are
willing
to
accept
and
whether
I
assume
six
and
a
half
percent
six
and
three-quarters
percent
eight
percent
eleven
percent,
two
percent-
that
does
not
affect
what
they
do
their
job
as
trustees
is
different.
My
job
is
quote
to
manage
the
liabilities
of
the
plan.
We
believe
we
I
believe
the
royal
way
I
think
that's
called
right.
I
believe
that
six
and
a
half
percent
is
an
appropriate
rate
of
discount
to
be
used.
L
I,
don't
want
to
think
that
I'm
sitting
here
and
saying
I
believe
that
the
trust
fund
is
going
to
earn
six
and
a
half
percent.
That's
not
what
I
believe
I
believe
they're
going
to
do
a
lot
better
than
that,
because
they're
smart
people,
they
know
what
they're
doing,
but
sometimes
the
market
doesn't
like
to
cooperate
with
every
money.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
all
right.
It's
not
a
true
liability
like
we've
got
a
bill
and
we
have
to
pay
it.
L
L
We
want
to
build
up
assets
because
we
have
to
provide
these
things,
that
we
want
a
budget
able
manageable
approach
for
the
city
so
that
we
don't
jump
around
from
year
to
year
and
that
we
have
the
current
generation
of
taxpayers
being
paid
for
paying
for
the
pensions
that
are
be
paid
in
the
future
and
not
passing
the
cost
off
to
the
children.
In
gradual.
B
F
D
Some
you
cannot
dismiss
the
fact
that
there
is
lots
of
quibbling
and
arguing
over
the
importance
of
the
the
percentage
that
is
accounted
for
by
our
treasurer,
and
you
know,
head
of
the
finance
department.
I
mean
it
when,
when
the
number
is
7.5,
it's
always
argued
that
that
is
very
unrealistic,
and
you
know,
and
in
the
rating
agencies
are
equivalent
a
number
that
should
be
completely
dismissed.
Absolutely.