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A
Call
to
call
to
order
and.
A
C
D
A
And
I
guess
we'll
go
with
public
comments
right?
Yes,
we
didn't
have
anybody
virtually
okay.
Do
we
have
anybody
public
comment,
all
right,
I'm,
Trisha,
Conley
I
live
in
the
second
one,
and
hopefully
this
budget.
C
C
A
Really
like
to
request
that
the
finances
budget
committee
prepare
a
written
reports
that
recommends
money
for
projects
in
the
budget
going
forward
that
are
clearly
outlined.
For
example,
in
this
budget
there
were
references
made
to
a
2022
bond
that
was
very
confusing
I
feel
it
was
misleading
personally
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
switched
for
years
going
forward.
We
also
need
Clarity
for
the
public
on
actual
debt
with
bonds
and
the
police
inspired
pension
fund,
with
an
explicit.
A
Explaining
and
graph
images
showing
us
visually
what
that
looks
like
I
further
like
to
request
that
you
make
the
push
for
us
not
to
issue
any
more
Bonds
in
2023.
Please
recommend
using
our
access,
Reserves.
A
On
a
connected,
but
maybe
not
so
in
front
of
us
nope,
we
have
the
library
that
is
looking
to
Levy
more.
C
A
Our
Parks
and
Rec
there
is
a
lot
of
parks
that
were
on
the
CIT
budget
and
the
question
for
me
also
in
that
in
those
two
areas
is
we
have
five
kids
districts
and
I
would
love
us
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
what
is
costing
us
when
we
have
five
chip
districts
and
those
tax
receipts,
or
that
money
remains
left
for
both
our
library
and
our
parks,
because
any
increment
is
going
into
the
Tiff
I'll
call
it
flush
sponge,
so
I
think
it
would
be
really
interesting
and
important
for
us
to
have
the
knowledge
for
those
areas
that
are
remaining
flat
with
parks
and
elsewhere
Library.
A
A
Ray
Friedman,
second
ward:
if
you
don't
mind
me,
asking
I
sit
next
to
Leslie
yesterday,
for
today's
company
and
I
was
wondering
if
you've
got
all
the
paperwork,
all
the
documents
that
you
need,
that
you
were
looking
for.
That's
my
first
question.
A
Second
question
is:
why
are
we
not
spending
money
that
we
actually
have
or
that
we
know
that's
coming
in
we're
constantly
borrowing
money
year
after
year,
I
know,
mayor
Haggerty
said
every
year
we
take
our
general
obligation
works
well
when
I
moved
here,
as
I
said
before
the
six
years
ago,
General
obligation
funds
were
100
million
after
we
voted
on
Robert
Brown.
Now
it
looks
like
we
are
expecting
yeah.
C
C
A
A
Okay,
great
sorry,
I'm
sorry,
it
looks
like
our
general
Bond
are
okay,
our
debt
is
about
200
million,
but
Debt
Service
and
I
thought
okay,
15
million
dollars
a
year,
but
it
looks
like
it's
24
million
dollars
a
year
for
Debt
Service,
which
should
be
about
two
million
dollars
a
month,
we're
paying
in
debt
service.
That's
astronomical,
so,
okay,
so
I'm
wondering
I,
know
the
property
taxes
have
not
been
built
in
since
announced
so
I
guess.
A
We
should
have
a
rough
estimate
of
what
property
taxes,
the
income
that
we
would
get
on
that
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
could,
you
know,
figure
out
approximately
how
much
money
do
we
have
coming
in
as
opposed
to
how
much
money
we're
spending.
It
seems
like
we're
always
short
by
millions
of
dollars,
or
we
should
have
millions
of
dollars
in
Access,
but
we
don't
have
this.
A
Where
did
it
go
so
what
I
want
to
know
is
if
we
are
as
I
asked
yesterday
at
city
council,
it
works
increasing
the
city
budget
from
last
year,
293
million
to
next
year.
400
million
we're
increasing
the
budget
by
about
25.
So
is
our
income
25
greater?
Is
it
expected
to
be
next
year,
25
greater
than
it
was
last
year?
A
A
A
A
Why
don't
we
see
it
becomes
of
your
enemy?
Okay,
during
that
representation,
all
right,
okay
right,
so
you
wouldn't
take
this
I
mean
I've
noticed,
and
you
sent
me
the
the
materials.
C
B
Okay,
so
let's
bring
into
the
presentation:
I
will
let
Clayton
kind
of
would
go
through
and
I
would
hear
questions
about,
Waterville,
the
property,
tax,
pensions
and
anything
and
everything
related
to
22
percent.
A
Before
so,
I
will
skip
slides
that
I
feel
like
have
been
covered
and
only
focus
on
those
where
we
need
details
and
requested.
So
I
would
focus
primarily
on
sort
of
the
improvements
you've
made
to
the
budget
since.
B
A
So,
focusing
first
at
high
level.
Last
time
you
saw
this,
this
total
budget
was
402
million.
That's
what
you
thought
as
we
presented
city
council
last
night,
we've
identified
some
positions
to
reduce
just
the
property
tax
increase,
we'll
go
into
the
line
by
line
changes
to
take
us
from
the
402
million
to
400
million.
This.
A
A
40
million
dollar
increase
from
the
2022
adoptive
budget,
as
you
stated
earlier,
chair
Livingston,
most
of
that
increases
in
the
water
funds
for
that
water
intake
project
is
paid
for
with
federal
and
state
loans.
Those
loans
are
going
to
be
paid
back
by
our
water
wholesale
customers
in
full,
so
the
taxpayers
do
not
not
cutting
their
bill
necessarily
but
they're
not
taking
on
the
cost
of
that
project.
They're,
not
paying
for
that
water
intake
project.
B
B
D
B
So
they're,
okay
and
as
he
said,
we
won't
see
that
there
won't
be
any
net
increase
on
the
Evanston
residents
because
of
this
loan,
because
this
would
be
paid
for
by
the
Wholesale
customer.
Now
when
would
they
start
paying
it?
This
is
like
a
two
to
two
and
a
half
year
three
year
project
and
once
it
gets
ready,
we
will
have
to
include
that
in
our
building.
B
So
it
would
be
probably
three
years
from
now
when
we
would
have
first
included
this,
that
service
charge
in
the
wholesale
customers,
because
of
course
we
have
to
have
the
project
completed
and
depending
on
the
weather,
because
it's
like
a
mile
long
intake
in
the
lake
so
and
I
think
Paul
mayano
with
our
project
manager
but
yeah.
It
could
be
easily
two
to
three
seasons
before
we
get
that
going
right.
A
Another
significant
increase
is
in
the
capital
fund,
Ms,
big
presentation
on
the
capital
projects
at
last
night's
meeting,
and
we
have
not
made
the
changes
based
on
her
reduced
Capital
plan.
Yes,
in
our
presentation,
based
on
the
conversation
yesterday,
that
seems
like
that's
the
direction
we're
heading
to
reduce.
How
much
did
you
think
you
overdo
this
Big's
presentation
last
night
walked
through
the
number
I?
Don't.
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
C
B
A
B
Sale
in
August
and
closed
in
September,
so
when
we
looked
at
it
there
wasn't
much
saving.
C
C
A
C
A
C
B
B
C
A
B
The
management,
so
here's
the
thing
and
again
I
mean
I,
would
tell
again
I
mean
I've
been
repeated
and
I
think
that
the
question
came
out
somewhere.
If
they
owe
me
on
76
million
surplus,
unless
the
private
sector,
we
cannot
consider
the
one
part
of
okay,
we
can
do
anything.
Each
one
has
its
own
restriction,
so
I
cannot
take
money
from
two
or
one
and
put
in
10
or
take
it
from
people.
A
B
C
B
C
B
C
A
Where
I
am
right
now,
I
think
we
just
really
want
to
know
the
projected
near
and
unassigned
balance,
because
that
is
unassignment
and
I
talked
to
our
auditor
at
length.
The
item
is
assigned
so
to
be
really
clear.
That's
how,
when.
A
B
B
A
B
It
the
biggest
driver
would
be
the
chair
how
much
capital
projects
they
approve
as
a
heart
of
printing.
B
D
A
Right,
we
need
to
know
so
what
we
have
when
you're,
drawing
on
other
concept
that
we
said
in
the
last
year.
We
expected
this
issue
with
22
bonds,
but
we
didn't.
We
need
to
know
when
we're
spending
from
another
area
and
I
think
that's
really
important
that
we're
that
we're
privy
to
that.
It's
not
just
you
know
like
if
we
I
know
the
year.
D
B
A
Have
that
in
the
presentation,
but
I
can
pull
up
our
presentation
from
yesterday
like
this
is
just
a
reminder
of
the
14.1
million
dollar
general
fund,
Surplus
that
we're
expecting
at
the
end
of
FY
22.
This
was
pulled
using
September
month
in
financials.
We
are
in
the
process
of
pulling
out
total
Financial,
so
I.
B
A
A
But
it
also
takes
into
council's
revenues
that
are
underperforming,
like
our
motor
fuel
tax,
our
Telecom
tax.
So
once
you
net
all
of
that,
that's
where
we're
at
the
14.1
million
can.
A
Yeah,
so
will
we
have
to
do
a
budget
amendment
to
account
for
officially
report
those
expense
items
where
we've
gone
over
budget
yeah?
So
this
would
be
something
where
we
would
come
back.
It's
Evanston
policy
to
come
back
April
because
the
budget
amendment,
and
so,
if,
if
we
truly
do,
come
in
at
119
million
as
projected
as
we've
shared
right
in
the
presentations
and
that
would
come
back,
as
you
know,
Council
approval
all
right.
So
for
that
for
the
the
13
the
service
and
supplies
the
foreign.
B
A
A
Study
insurance
and
chargebacks:
that's
that's
the
pensions!
So
that's
the
transfer
from
the
pension
money
from
the
general
fund
to
the
entry
fund
by
Avengers,
and
it's
also
workers,
comp
and.
B
A
C
A
Said
something
that
made
my
errors
perk
up.
You
said
it's
Evanston
policy
to
come
back
in
April
and
adjust
the
budget
and
discussions
with
folks
from
from
Skokie
there.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
this
mechanism
for
just
kind
of
going
over
budget
and
then
so
had
it
retroactively
approving
that-
and
this
is
the
list
of
things
that
are
causing
this
over
budget
primarily,
and
these
have
all
been
individually
approved
by
city
council
throughout
the
year.
So
this
is
three
point.
A
This
is
4.8
million
in
items
that
the
city
council
approves
this
year,
that
we're
not
budgeted
for
and
they
approved
use
the
fund
balance
shown
as
a
revenue
balances
general
fund,
the
purchase
of
a
fire
truck
wage
increase,
the
transfer
to
Solid
Waste
fund.
So
these
all
have
come
to
city
council.
C
A
A
A
C
A
A
A
B
A
So
this
was
the
million
dollars
that,
over
the
last
few
years,
MST
has
been
inflated
because
the
state
has
been
provided
providing
these
Eagle
Illinois
State
bond
funds
to
the
city.
We
got
our
last
of
those
payments
this
year,
so
we
expect
revenues
and
that
fund
to
go
back
down
to
normal
levels.
Next
year
and
over
the
past
few
years,
we've
been
taking
advantage
of
that
increased
Revenue
at
MST
to
help
support
the
general
fund.
A
So
with
that
Revenue
going
downward
pulling
that
transfer.
This
is
the
expenses
we've
already
talked
about.
The
wage
increases
new
positions
last
month,
when
you
saw
this
I
believe
it
was
22
and
a
half
we've
identified
two
and
a
half
General
compositions,
as
well
as
two
positions
in
the
fleet
fund
that
we
were
able
to
remove
from
the
list
of
requests
in
terms
of
one-time
expenses.
A
A
So,
on
the
left
side,
you
see
the
original
budget,
balancing
revenues
and
expenses
and
on
the
right
side,
you
see
the
proposed
budget,
as
it
is
today,
revenues
and
expenses,
as
you
can
see,
going
from
top
to
bottom.
We
increased
the
projected
tax
revenues
after
taking
a
closer
look
at
a
couple
of
those
we're
using
less
of
the
2021
excess
reserves
in
order
to
balance
the
budget
and
we
eliminated
the
net
property
tax
increase
for
the
general
fund.
A
So
you
see
that
there
we
cut
new
positions
down
from
2.2
million
to
about
2
million
the
one-time
expenses.
That's
the
cardiac
monitors
and
fire
that
we've
deferred.
You
see,
we've
moved
a
couple
positions
in
speaking
with
health
and
human
services
department
from
the
general
funds
of
Human
Services
fund.
That
fund
has
a
nice
healthy
fund
balance,
so
we're
able
to
move
those
positions
in
those
positions
align
a
little
more
closely
with
the
intention
of
that
fund,
their
social
service
driven
and
so
we're
proposing
to
move
those
there.
A
B
A
And
this
is
just
price:
America
I
would
still
some
Antics
on
the
schedule.
I
would
still
say
you're
still
using
21
accessories.
So
in
some
ways
we
still
have
a
deficit
right
right
from
four
six
to
three
one.
You've
made
a
lot
of
improvements,
but
we
are
still
using
excess
reserves
to
balance
the
budget.
One
other
thing
I
did
want
to
point
out
here
on
that
three
one:
we've
identified
1.2
million
in
our
budget-
that
is
a
one-time
expenditure
as
well
so
yeah
things
like
that
fall.
C
B
A
B
If
the
vacancy
wise
yeah
I
mean
we
will
see
hiring
and
if
the
labor
market
stays
this
strong
and
tight
and
because
this
year,
yes,
you
know
it's,
sometimes
it
took
three
four
five
months
to
hire
one
person
and
replace
and
somebody
so
you're
right
here
how
aggressive.
B
Tell
you
two
things:
I
mean
there's
both
theories.
You
must
have
seen
that
inflation
recession
right
and
when
I
talked
to
our
peers
for
last
few
months
and
I
just
read
somewhere
when
I
mean
some
which
communities
we
just
passed.
The
budget
that
that
is
the
one
concern
that
if
the
inflation
goes
down
to
a
normal
of
two-person,
we
could
lose
some
revenues
in
debts
and
we
have
the
kind
of
high
numbers
in
21
22.
B
So
if
you
see
here,
let's
make
them
as
a
kind
of
base
and
kind
of
increment,
so
we
will
get
more
ideas
and
come
around
maybe
spring
after
a
couple
of
fair
drains
that
we'll
see
whether
yeah.
A
C
A
Where
are
we
and
do
we
have
to
make
some
expense
adjustments
or
our
revenues
coming
in
a
bit
better
than
we
thought
and
you
know,
are
we
hopefully
not
gonna,
not
gonna
end
up
with
the
three
two
deficit
sort.
B
Tax
side
that
I
saw
the
numbers
came
out
for
21
county
has
been
so
late
so
that
we
have
lost
a
quarter
of
a
billion
in
a
year
with
this
year
or
21..
Now,
at
the
same
time,
I
heard
I
think
the
effort
that
the
22
numbers
could
go
up
by
30
percent.
B
Which
are
limited
by
the
Peter,
the
long
property
tax
extension
limitation,
where
they
could
go
in
the
CPI
or
that
they
could
go
five
percent,
which
is
the
maximum
allowance
plus
the
new
construction.
So
because
this
would
happen
this
year,
too,
I
was
talking
to
the
665
CF
when
they
say
yeah.
We
are
going
to
go
with
the
five
percent,
because
inflation
is
18.9,
so
we
are
allowed
in.
So
if
the
Erv
goes
up,
when
the
values
goes
up,
sf20
goes
up.
B
C
C
B
B
A
A
A
B
C
A
A
A
good
way
to
look
at
it
right
that
we,
you
know,
sort
of
a
multi-year
view
and
we've
gone
from
the
four
six
to
the
three
one.
I
think
it
would
always
be
good
for
all
us
to
understand
to.
C
C
A
Net
deficit
of
four
six,
and
now
it's
three
one
for
the
reason
she
just
went
through
relative
expenses
and
revenues,
and
do
you
historically
pass
a
budget
that
has
the
deficit?
It's
not
a
general.
A
C
B
The
audit-
those
are
two
separate
things
council
member
when
we
pass
the
budget
as
a
proposed
budget
or
adapted.
Finally,
it
is
almost
always
the
balanced
budget.
Now,
like
say
how
did
we
balance
22?
We
showed
4.5
million.
We
were
still
short
a
million
dollars,
so
we
said
use
of
one
dollar
now,
technically,
it's
not
a
revenue.
B
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
C
A
A
This
is
my
money
or
Surplus
even
much
smaller.
They
often
use
it
towards
an
extra
towards
an
extra
pension
payment,
so
you
know
or
towards
us
I
think
like
last
year,
had
this
been
really
clear
to
the
whole
Council
like
had
we
under
Council,
been
educated
about
above
and
beyond
the
16
of
18
16.6
that
we
might
have
considered
fully.
You
know
paying
towards
a
fully
funded
pension
last
year,
so
I
just
think.
A
C
A
All
these
rating
agencies,
they
said,
that's
what
that's
what's
harming
them
the
most.
So
so
you
know
given
wherever
we're
going
to
be
at
at
the
end
of
this
year,
I
think
we
should.
We
should
decide
whether
we
want
to
consider
we've
heard
the
public
we've,
whether
we've,
how
much
of
that
we
want
to
allocate
towards.
B
A
Would
say
it's
really
good
that
we
had
the
14
million
dollar
Surplus
position
right
or
more,
but
but
for
something
that
we
talked
about
was
that
that's
someone,
a
function
of
our
revenues
have
been
more
reactive
to
inflation
and
I.
It's
a
bigger
issue
and
23
is
not
really
the
problem
right.
It's
that
those
projections
that
you
did
that
I
know
are
sort
of
top
level
projections.
That's
where
we
really
need
to
dig
in
more
because
it's
not
23,
that's
a
problem,
but
we
do
sort
of
we
flip
into
much
more.
Concerning
numbers.
A
C
A
C
A
Of
the
decision
about
what's
the
right
thumbnail,
it's
not
so
much
now
right
because
we're
way
above
whatever
number
you
want
to
stabilize
that
we,
you
know
it
will
become
a
bigger
issue
and
it
supports
the
rights.
It
seems.
A
I
mean
the
library
is
so
de
minimis.
That's
not.
A
B
A
We're
paying
more
towards
our
pension
in
terms
of
having
a
considered
a
specifically
sound
trajectory
than
it
is
towards
increasing,
so
I
would
say
if
you're
figuring
out
whether
it's
going
to
go
towards
having
more
money
on
the
table
in
the
Reserve
versus
paying
more
towards
their
pension
is
absolutely
is
more
in
our
interest.
It's
a
double
good
whammy
to
put
money
towards
pension,
more
than
increases,
if
I
say
one
or
the
other
I
wouldn't
say,
increase
our
Reserve,
but
don't
but
continue
at
90
trajectory.
Our
pension
would
not
be
a
wife.
C
B
A
With
poorly
funded
intentions,
substantially
underfunded
intentions,
the
city
does
not
have
significant
amount
of
debt
plans
during
their
fears.
A
credit
weakness
is
evidence
is
the
largest
pension
application
goes
on
and
on.
B
A
A
B
Right
and
resource
part
just.
A
B
B
B
C
C
C
B
In
real
estate,
they
want
to
take
that
million
dollars
technically
out
of
that
any
property
sold
about
one
and
a
half
million
dollars,
which
are
the
higher
driver.
A
D
D
A
Page
right,
where
it
shows
property
tax,
what
we're
running
into
is:
if
we
want
to
fund
more
for
pensions,
we're
only
starting
with
the
general
fund
property
tax
source
of.
C
C
C
A
A
C
B
C
A
B
C
C
A
A
I
mean
the
general
fund
I,
don't
know
why
it
was
said
that
so
it's
just
slightly
more
I,
don't
know
in
21.
it
was
780
21
to
the
general
funded.
Now
nine.
B
A
B
A
B
A
A
We're
working
it's
been
commented
on
by
others
and
others
that
we
have
a
robust,
frequently
cushioned
above
and
beyond
the
Reserve
I.
Don't
understand
why,
when
other
cities
do
that,
because
when
they
have
a
surplus
they,
why
can't
we?
But
our
current
projections
are
that
we're
going
to
use
significant
amounts
of
the
Surplus
just.
D
B
A
B
A
What
it
should
say
like
this,
this
will
be
paid
for
this
and
that's
how
it
has
to
be
represented
and
any
proposed
budget
that
you
want
to
counselors.
You
can't
not
have
that
in
there
and
then
we
end
up
like
we
did
last
year
with
a
lot
of
money.
One
of
our
biggest
cushions
ever
and
council
is
completely
unaware
that
in.
B
Yeah
I
can
just
like,
ideally
as
a
CF
will
just
talk
about
this
year,
and
so
okay,
we'll
worry
about
what
happens
next
year.
If
the
decision
comes
to,
then
we
lost
5
million
like
we
lost
in
Kobe
dealer
and
then
I
would
have
like
struggling
because
now
we
have
given
five
minutes
to
CIP
for
the
project
we've
given
five
million
to
the
suspension
fund.
Now
we
are
okay.
How
would
we
balance
the
general
from
budget
and
the
conventional
increases?
Are
there?
The
expenses
would
go
up,
no
matter
what
we
do
so
and.
C
B
C
A
Object
into
raising,
but
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
both
I.
Don't
think
it's
about
like
I'm
about
I,
think
4.5
as
it
means
raising
two
and
taking
two
from
Surplus,
then
maybe
that's
what
we
do
I
mean-
or
at
least
we
come.
We
can
all
agree
on
something,
but
we
need
to
do
better
than
we
do
it
so,
but
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
fully.
However,
we
improve
it
needs
to
be
fully
on
the
back
of
the
risk.
I
think
Evanston
has
had
in
the
past
couple
years.
A
A
24
25
26.
Are
we
really
looking
at
it's
on
another
slice?
Are
we
really
looking
at
these
steps?
It's
going
to
11
right
because
that's
the
that's
going
from
the
three
two
three
two
to
five
four
to
eight
six
to
eleven,
or
is
it
going
to
be
somewhat
better
than
that
right?
Can
we
if
we
can
moderate
it
at
three,
then
I
would
agree,
there's
probably
more
room
in
the
current
access
reserves
to
have
some
degree
of
additional,
but
not
look.
A
A
A
point
last
night
she
had
a
big
point
and
I've
heard
this
from
management
too.
There
aren't
real
God
rails
in
principle.
You
would
think
that
budget
was
regardless,
so
I
think
we
we
also.
This
is
I
know
you
know
this
feels
like
a
separate
conversation,
but
I
think
it
does
have
an
impact,
so
I
think
the
the
funding
at
whatever
you
know.
Let's
say
100
going
towards
100
that
should
be
worked
into
our
annual
budget.
A
That
means
we
do
have
to
set
parameters
that
we
that
are
expected
to
be.
You
know
about
and
I
think
I've
heard
this
I've
heard
this
from
management
like.
C
A
Know
big
expenditures
so
now
I'm
glad
that
Josh
mentioned
that
Laura
might
looks
like
been
hopefully
cutting
back
the
potential
bonding
next
year
from
24
to
nine,
where
we
even
Luke
early.
B
B
B
Debt
Service
fund
is
the
lab.
Is
that
like
when
we
shoot
the
bomb
for
capital
projects
and
we
Levy
for
them
right
so
obviously
based
on
their
motivation
schedule
we
get.
What
happens
is
when
we
shoot
the
bond.
We
get
the
bond
order
and
we
submit
it
to
the
Cook
County
and
so
Cook
County,
based
on
all
of
our
bond
orders
for
every
Bond
issued.
We
did.
They
prepare
the
tax
levy
for
us
now.
B
What
we
do
is
some
of
the
bonds
are
paid
for,
like
a
waterfalls
who
are
one
deep
one
to
be
submit
the
amendment,
so
the
tax
level
goes
down,
so
in
general.
I
would
give
you
like
suppose.
Our
total
debt
service
would
be
around
with
principle
and
interest
average
again
anywhere
from
15
17
18
million,
but
we
only
Levy
around
10
11,
because
the
others
are
what
we
call
the
veteran
and
paid
for
by
other
funds
like
parking
Waters.
So.
C
B
B
C
A
A
C
A
B
A
What's
the
next
turn
of
the
dialogue?
Procedurally,
could
you
would
you
then
Laura
Biggs
come
back
and
just
say
you
know
this
is
what
we're
willing
to
cut
and
then
go
to
council
members.
B
Minutes
quite
a
good
presentation
on
Monday
night,
with
the
with
the
projects,
are
related
to
the
grants,
the
projects
which
are
kind
of
needed,
and
then
she
said
this
is
how
24
million.
But
if
you
want
I,
can
export.
B
A
About
the
levy
and
the
attention
Levy,
so
if
we
submitted
these
numbers
and
set
our
total
pension,
Levy
was
20
20.,
whatever
yeah
is
that
it?
We
can't
at
some
point
put
any
other
Revenue
into
the
pension
fund.
A
A
Yeah
our
budget
schedule
is
always
targeted
at
the
earliest
November
21st
would
be
the
first
possible
day
that
we've
been
adopt.
A
budget
could
be
later
than
that,
but
November
21st,
so
I
would
almost
say
just
because
this
is
so
important.
I
think
that
we
do
kind
of
set
a
precedent
in
some
positive
direction
on
this,
that,
if
we
have
to
because
we're
working
it
out
here,
recommendation
Garden
pension.
A
Tonight
I
mean
if
we
can
make
a
recommendation
on
this,
then
great,
but
if
we
can
I
would
say
you
know
that
we
should
I.
A
C
A
A
A
C
A
C
D
D
A
A
C
A
D
A
C
A
C
A
C
B
C
B
A
A
Think
there's
there's
no.
It
doesn't
seem
viable
to
not
agree
that
just
it's
not
accept
that
at
some
level
there
will
be
a
proper
detection.
So
there's
only
nine
million
dollars,
that's
available
when.
A
D
A
A
A
Can't
but
I
mean
that's
why
we
could
budget
and
I
and
I
just
we
have
our
15
foot
six
we're
talking
about
anything
above
and
beyond
that,
and
then
we,
you
know,
use
our
line
of
credit,
even
though
I
realized
that
would
be
high,
but
I
I
think
we
also
have
to
have
for
Council
and
John
help
me
out,
like
you
know
what
we
would
take
potentially
from
excess
and
what
we
would
recommend
increasing
the
levy
and
be
ready
to.
Maybe
if.
A
B
C
C
A
Our
Autumn,
oh
okay,
so
that's
right!
That's
you
know
frequently
when
cities
do
end
up
at
the
end
of
the
year
with
the
accesses
they're
just
making
those
payments
towards
their
pension,
because
even
if
you,
you
know,
there's
a
little
risk,
you
do
have
your
reserve
fund
itself,
so
the
chances
and
talking
to
him
also
are
Republicans
like
that's
plenty
of
absorbent
shockness,
so
anything
above
and
beyond
that
I
see
absolutely
no
reason.
We
wouldn't
put
that
fully
towards
a
punishment.
C
A
B
Mean
they
oppose
of
Youth.
The
other
question
would
come
up
depending
on
the
city
compensation
on
CIP,
because
we
have
already
see
the
computer
as
a
approved
to
transfer
some
of
the
money
to
cic
one
to
fund
mental.
Now
yeah
use
the
couple
of
Millions
for
the
CIP
project,
reduce
the
bonds
funding
because
that's
important
too
so
yeah.
We
have
to
kind
of
consider
the
overall
pictures.
D
A
A
I
mean
if
we
were
sitting
here
and
we
said
hey,
we
think
we're
going
to
be
at
a
bat,
we're
not
going
to
be
using
access
for
the
24,
25
and
22,
and
we're
sitting
on
40
million
45
million.
Now
of
an
ending
or
25
million
of
excess
fund
balance
than
it
would
be
in
a
much
easier
decision
to
say,
let's
put
12
and
a
half
in
the
police
and
12
and
a
half
in
the.
C
A
C
B
C
C
B
D
A
Somebody
could
give
that
education
to
you
know
for
the
public
to
understand
that
actually
like
had
we
been
doing
this
a
long
time
ago
this
year,
our
payment
would
be
7
million
instead
of
21
million
actually,
but
to
your
points
over
three
to
one,
it
really
would
be
like
we
would
be.
Have
you
know,
14
million.
D
C
A
C
D
A
B
A
A
A
C
A
C
A
A
C
A
I
mean:
should
we
should
we
meet?
Should
we
just.
D
B
B
A
Know
that
the
levy
not
to
exceed
2
million
and
that
we
get
updated
numbers
from
the
pension
consultants.
And
we
find
ways
through
access
to
the
general
funds
to.
A
C
A
B
One
intervention
gives
you
money
to
venture
out
of
general
fund
and
for
the
bond
issues
towards
the
bond
issue
review
Advantage.
So
it
would
make
more
sense
because
if
you
recommend
something
say,
yeah
give
two
million
three
million.
That's
just
accounts
of
the
decision,
three
or
four
five.
So
overall,
what
do
you
think
as
a
finance
budget
committee,
that
we
should
take
away
this
money
out
of
the
operating
requirements
and
use
it
towards
the
long-term
solution
which
includes
the
pension
issue
and
the
CIP
issue?
The
bonding
so
I
mean
again.
B
A
B
C
A
C
D
Yeah
I'll
tell
you
it's
a
little
hard
to
follow
the
discussion,
because
everyone
is
so
enthusiastic
about
and
but
I
think
was
that
Sherry
who
just
offered
up
those
three
points,
I
I
like
those
because
they
summarize
what
the
as
best
I
can
tell
the
conversation
has
been,
and
it's
the
scent
it's
sending
the
sentiment
of
the
finance
and
budget
committee
to
the
council
without
necessarily
nailing
down
a
specific
recommendation.
A
A
C
A
You
repeat
what
you
said
to
the
levy
not
to
exceed
2
million
for
one
time
well,
first,
we
want
to
get
updated
projections,
but
once
we
have
those
the
levy
does
not
exceed
more
than
two
million
right.
Why
would
you
mean
two
million
above.
C
C
C
A
C
C
A
C
C
B
A
A
C
B
B
A
B
B
Buttons
I
mean
doing
from
16.6
to
20
percent,
because
it's
like
3.3
percent,
which
is
around
four
million
dollars.
So
why
don't
we
do
it
over
the
period
of
three
years
we
go
to
18
percent
next
year,
then
we
go
to
19
and
then
we
go
to
20..
Yes,
gold
is
good
20,
but
let's
do
it
over
three
years
so
to
be
spread
out
the
burden
and
that's
how
we
came
out
that
okay,
we
will
use
that
then
I
reach
out
to
the
city
council,
while
I
was
doing
the
financial
presentation
of
421.
B
D
B
A
A
A
Oh,
so
we
still
have
another
seven
million,
but
we're
proposing
to
use
a
portion
of
that
to
balance.
B
A
A
C
C
A
It's
the
other
for
nine
or
that
for
our
big
presented
and
that's
for
Council
to
decide.
If.
B
Which
is
most
critical,
there
will
be
seen
like
that
and
then
I
think
we
thought.
Okay,
we
could
discuss
more
on
protein.
A
B
B
However,
when
you
see
these
things
in
The,
Debt
Service
is
the
tax
service
right
away
and
and
particularly
in
this
environment.
Issuing
the
bonds
or
the
issues
in
the
left
bond
is
kind
of
a
big
savings.
Considering
almost
five.
C
C
A
Easier
than
good
algebra
yeah,
so
should
we
ask
a
test
to
come
up
with
what
he
would
recommend,
even
our
goals
here
and
then.
A
B
B
A
B
C
C
B
C
A
C
A
B
B
B
A
C
A
A
A
Down
to
the
council,
members
are
going
to
have
to
take
a
record
for
one.
We
think
we
want
to
contribute
Lucy
at
least
two
million
dollars
more
than
women
budget,
and
we
think
that
should
be
through
the
property.
You
know
increasing
the
lessee
well,
first,
certainly
more
access
or
and
if
we
go
to
424
and
a
half
that
should
come
through
excess
or
maybe
you
discuss,
which
is
first,
you.
C
A
It's
first,
two
million
through
excess,
the
next
two
and
a
half.
If
we
want
to
go
through
100
to
100
path
through
letting
the
the
levy
actually
increase.
That's
probably
first.
A
Excess
reserves-
next
two
and
a
half
if
we
want
to
do
up
to
100
funding,
would
be
would
be
through
actually
letting
the
lettuce
that
I
think
that's
sort
of
our
recommendation.
C
A
C
A
C
A
It's
about
you
mean
in
lieu
of
bonding
out
an
extra
million
right
so
to
know
what
we're
going
to
do
on
bonding.
We
need
the
CIP
plate,
so
I
think
for
now.
Let's
I
think
even
moving
this,
no
matter
what
it's
like,
it's
I,
think
we're
safe
in,
because
whether
it's
a
million
in
the
traditional
Millions,
reducing
that
I
think
I
think
we're
safe.
C
C
A
I
would
say,
the
fallback
would
be
at
least
raise
it
by
two
and
do
it
with
the
excess
yeah.
So
that's
what
I
think
our
consensus
is.
If
you
want
to
say
it's
a
recommendation,
I,
you
know
we
didn't
I.
A
A
C
A
Sorry,
sorry,
one
more
time,
we
would
like
to
see
the
property
tax
contribution,
the
increase,
the
pension
contributors
to
be
increased
by
four
and
a
half
million
to
put
that
put
us
on
approximately
100
Glide
path
and
that
be
funded
by
a
two
million
dollar
net
increase
in
the
property
tax.
A
mass
no.
A
And
we'll
continue
to
reevaluate
it
we
might
not.
We
might
have
to
eventually
take
that
two
and
a
half
million
that
was
in
excess
reserves.
The
reason
you
know
longer
in
the
future.
C
A
We
did
ask
Luke,
do
you
know
if
we're
gonna
be
able
to
have
Tim,
because
everybody
really
loves?
A
A
C
A
A
Yeah,
no
but
I
I,
just
think
that
it's
first
of
all,
a
lot
of
people
don't
even
know
we
have
this
committee
and
I
think
that
that's
being
very
physically
responsible,
that
you've
got
almost
another
layer
and
that
you
know
I've,
told
some
friends
I'm
on
the
committee.
But
no
one
knows
about
it
and
you
know
maybe
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and.
C
A
D
A
D
D
A
A
B
A
C
C
B
A
C
A
Certain
change
is
the
final
thing
yeah.
Why.
C
A
You
so
six,
six,
six,
okay,
so
we'll
meet
on
yeah,
12,
13
at
6,
pm
and
that'll,
be
more
of
a
retrospect
is
hoping
the
budget
is
done
more
of
a
retrospective
in
setting
in
meeting
times
for
next
year.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
for
all
your
work.