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So
I
I
think
that
what
we
have
we
used
to
have
somebody
that
we
could
refer
to
here
that
was
certified
in
child
restraint,
safety,
seat,
installation
they
are
no
longer
with
the
department.
So
we
don't
have
that
resource.
I
think
that's
why
the
officers
are
relying
happily
on
making
phone
calls
to
assist.
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I
think
a
little
bit
to
your
point
of
you
know:
should
there
be
more
proactive
stuff
on
the
officer's
part
to
try
to
secure,
I
think
guys,
give
those
resources
the
parents
there,
who
you
know
has
those
resources
has
a
smartphone
can
can
look
at
those
resources,
so
we
used
to
have
that
resource.
We
don't
have
it
right
now
and
I
think
that's
why
the
the
officers
spending
so
much
time
trying
to
find
something
for
that
driver.
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Again,
you
know
we
can't
necessarily
stop
somebody
from
continuing
to
move,
even
in
a
violation
like
that.
We
it's
not
an
arrestful
offense,
can't
impound
the
car
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
we
had
some
limitations
there
again.
I
would
go
back
to
my
previous
comments,
so
that's
why
the
officer
is
trying
to
give
the
the
individual
the
resources
to
secure
those
seats.
You
know
you
know
even
looking
toward
a
a
jurisdiction,
neighboring
jurisdiction
that
may
have
somebody
to
go
to
that
would
be
certified
and
provide
that
service.
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B
I
guess
my
my
question
on
on
this.
One
is
so
in
terms
of
the
the
video
footage
and
and
the
allegations
that
the
officers
struck,
the
juvenile
I
I
did
not
see
that
play
out
in
the
video,
but
my
question
was
about
the
patrol
sergeant
one's
questioning
of
the
juvenile
without
the
parent
present
and
sort
of
what
is.
I
know
there
was
a
gray
area
in
terms
of
the
policy,
but
what
exactly?
What
is
the
policy
on
that?
E
D
Of
that,
the
parents
are
downstairs
before
and
say
need
to
have
a
parent
present.
So
if
there
is
going
to
be-
and
what
is
clear,
is
that
there's
going
to
be
an
interrogation
of
juvenile
and
they're
all
saying
got
to
have
a
juvenile?
We
gotta
have
a
parent
present
that
that
parent
present,
where
the
gray
area
comes
in
and
there's
some
decision
making,
is
now
a
use
of.
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It's
not
it's
investigation
of
the
officer's
actions,
it's
not
an
investigation
of
necessarily
the
juvenile,
the
juveniles
actions
or
the
elements
of
the
crime
side
of
interrogation,
not
in
this
instance,
but
sometimes
in
other
instances.
We
do.
We
do
investigate
use
of
force,
sometimes
there's
some
overlap
and
some
miranda
required.
But
that's
not
the
case
here.
So
that's
where
the
gray
area
is
is
a
lot
of
people
saying
you
got
to
have
juvenile
there.
We
want
to
be
there
the
juveniles
they
want
them
out
here.
D
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So,
at
the
time
that
this
came
up
as
myself
and
sergeant
warnock
here
when
we
reviewed
this,
the
lack
of
a
parent
present
was
not
part
of
the
initial
complaint.
That
was
something
that
we
picked
up
on
and
we
felt
that
needed
to
be
investigated
and
reviewed
further,
and
that
is,
I
think
everybody
here
has
kind
of
touched
on.
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What
what
the
review
is,
what
you
have
several
people
saying
you
need
to
have
somebody
there
to
somebody.
Just
somebody
like
that
needs
to
be
investigated
needs
to
be
addressed,
which
is
why
I
was
included
as
part
of
this
investigation,
even
though
it
wasn't
part
of
the
initial
complaint,
and
you
know
that's
why
we're
talking
about
that's
why
it's
characterized.
As
you
know,
whether
gray
area
is
appropriate
or
something
that's
sitting
with
outside
outside
a
policy,
but
that's.
C
So,
in
my
review
I
mean
I
did.
I
did
take
a
look
at
that
lexical
policy,
since
you
were
so
kind
to
give
us
those
enormous
documents
in
the
beginning
of
this.
But
it
is,
it
is
kind
of
gray,
but
I
think
the
the
real
document
that
we
should
all
be
paying
attention
to
is
the
november
16
2021
document
from
the
deputy
chief,
where
the
deputy
chief
talks
about
this
particular
sergeant
struggling
with
independent
thinking
and
decision
making.
This
is
just
indicative
of
a
pattern.
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I
think
that
the
deputy
chief
recommended
you
know
that
or
concurred
with
the
the
the
administrative
decision
of
of
ops.
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
looking
is
that
we
none
of
us
like
the
behavior
of
the
sergeant,
regardless
of
that
gray
area,
but
that
was
addressed
by
the
deputy
chief.
So
I
mean
I
can
concur
with
your
investigation.
It
was
extremely
thorough.
You
went
above
and
beyond
because
you
brought
in
the
actions
of
that
sergeant
when
that
wasn't
part
of
the
original
allegation.
G
D
So
if,
if
this
was
involving
an
adult,
they
would
have
been,
they
would
have
been
in
an
enclosed
interview
room.
This
is
a
juvenile
how
juvenile
secured
costly
versus
unsecured
custody
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it.
So
their
actions
with
regards
to
where
the
interview
was
done
was
pursuant
to
policy
and
applicable
law.
So
no,
no,
no
issue,
there
got
it
okay.
This
was
good.
E
So
so
moving
forward,
this
is
cindy
moving
forward.
We
recognize
the
fact
that
when
a
juvenile
is
involved,
we
are
trying
to
decipher
the
juveniles
point
of
view.
Do
we
agree
that
there
should
be
a
parent
or
we're
saying?
No?
We
can
sort
of
try
and
find
out
what
the
juvenile
knows
or
what
the
juvenile
saw
happen
being
engaged
in
a
number
of
these
fights
over
the
high
school
with
the
kids
it.
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D
I
think
that
that's
what
we're
you
know
like
yes
did.
This
rise,
the
level
that
there
needed
to
be
an
advocate
there
for
the
juvenile
that
being
the
parent
upon
request.
I
definitely
will
not
report
myself
to
be
a
juvenile
law
expert.
There
is
a
lot
of
layers
to
talking
to
juveniles
and
when
in
ages
and
automatically,
sometimes
you
actually
have
to
produce.
You
don't
wait
to
be
requested.
You
have
to
have
that
advocate
there,
depending
on
age
and
severity.
So.
C
B
Summary
that
you
know
just
in
terms
of
of
it,
was
in
the
discretion
of
the
sergeant
that
he
didn't
make
the
best
decision
in
denying
that
that
right,
even
if
it
wasn't
necessarily
required
that
apparently
present
that
and
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
the
entire
situation,
a
better
decision
probably
could
have
been
made
to
allow
that
to
happen.
And
so
I
think
that's
where
the
the
the
the
training
and
discussion
with
her
and
any
follow-up
will
come
into
play.
B
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C
C
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
black
and
white,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
see
a
repeat
of
an
untrained
sergeant
or
a
sergeant
making
a
bad
choice
when
there's
a
choice
to
make
so
cleaning
up
of
the
lexical
policy,
and
then
it
would
be
great
if,
in
a
city
the
size
of
evanston,
I
know
most
of
us
are
parents
here.
If
there
was
a
couple
of
new
officers
trained
in
seat
belt,
installation
and
safety,
I
don't
think
it
would
have
changed
that
particular
case
at
all.
C
But
that
would
be
something
that
maybe
we
can
do
a
bake
sale
and
get
you
some
money
to
train
an
officer,
but
that's
something
that
the
city
definitely
needs.
So
if
that
could
be
a
recommendation
from
this
committee
with
the
approval
of
my
fellow
commissioners,
I
think
that's
something
we'd
like
to
recommend
to
the
chief.