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A
Welcome
to
the
april
7th
meeting
of
the
design
and
project
review
committee.
My
name
is
johanna
neyden,
I'm
the
community
development
director
we
are,
we
do
have
quorum,
so
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order.
Is
there
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
to
participate
electronically.
C
E
E
E
E
A
Okay,
ingrid,
you
want
to
give
us
a
thumbs
up
if
your
eye.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
go
on
to
the
minutes
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
of
march
24th.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
D
F
E
D
A
One
second,
one
reminder:
what
we'll
do
is
as
we
go
through
the
agenda
items,
I
would
ask
that
everybody
remain
on
mute
and
if
you're,
not
a
member
of
staff,
just
kindly
turn
off
your
camera
and
then
turn
it
on
when
your
item
is
up
because
the
way
we
like,
since
this
is
a
pretty
large
group,
the
staff
images
then
filter
to
the
front
for
resume.
So
it's
a
little
easier
for
people
to
see.
So,
if
you
are
not
staff,
kindly
turn
your
camera
off
and
michael
griffiths
should
be
good.
A
Now,
first
item
of
business
is
1700
central
street
sidewalk,
cafe
10
mile
house
applicant,
the
vista
reviser
outdoor
dining
cafe,
and
the
b1
business
district
and
central
street
overlay
district.
So
whoever
is
on
for
10
mile
house.
If
you
would
like
to
walk
through
what
you're
proposing
to
do
and
then
we'll
get
some
staff
comments
and
then,
if
you
have
public
comment
I'll,
take
it
after
each
of
these
items.
Please
send
me
a
message
in
chat
or
put
your
hand
up
and
we'll
we'll
do
that
for
each
item.
Thanks.
G
Hi,
this
is
fred
gale
from
10
mile
house.
So
what
we're
proposing
is
to
put
a
a
patio
on
the
grass
parkway
there
and
the
picture
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
We
would
put
semi-permeable
pavers
in
place
and
then
put
gratings
around
those
trees
that
are
consistent
with
other
greats
that
the
city
is
using
and
then
we
would
incorporate
some
string
lighting
to
light
the
area.
H
I
have
some
questions
for
you:
it's
michael
callahan,
I'm
the
city
arborist,
so
looking
at
the
plans
that
you
have
you're
looking
to
put
permeable
brick
pavers,
but
those
trees
right
now,
most
of
the
root
system
is
going
to
be
within
the
first,
probably
14,
16
inches
of
soil.
So
what
type
of
impact
do
you
see
having
on
the
trees
at
this
point
in
time.
G
That's
a
good
question.
I
can't
answer
that,
so
I
probably
would
have
to
work
with
you
or
a
landscape
or
we
might
have
to
come
back
and
readdress
it.
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
it.
I
don't
want
to
make
something
up.
H
Okay
from
another
question,
regarding
you
know
the
public
works
agency,
so
we
have
to
do
snow
removal
down
the
street
and
there's
really
no
place
for
us
to
push
the
snow
on
that
side.
Until
we
get
past
farther
farther
south
into
the
past,
the
driveways
there
who
would
be
handling
the
snow
removal.
H
G
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that
as
well,
we
would
either
have
to
maybe
shrink
the
size
of
the
patio.
So
maybe
we
leave
the
south
end
of
what
we're
proposing
and
have
that
as
an
area
for
putting
snow
and
or
possibly
partially
at
the
north
end.
H
And
another
question
regarding
it:
just
kind
of
looking
for
it:
the
who's
responsible
for
the
upkeep
of
the
brick
pavers
and
everything
over
time,
because
that.
H
G
Again,
you're
asking
me
questions
about
tree
roots
that
I
haven't
considered,
so
I
I
can't
I
can't
answer
that
question,
but
that's
a
good
question
I
mean
I,
you
know
I
maybe
that
I
don't
know
the
answer
for
it.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
suggestions,
I'm
happy
to
consider
them
what
we
were
trying
to
avoid.
G
I
think
we
had
proposed
this
project
years
back
that
that
particular
issue
didn't
come
up,
but
we
could
relocate
the
trees,
but
that
would
be
expensive
and
disruptive,
which
I
don't
think
we
want
to
do,
but
that's
an
option.
G
C
So
michael,
is
it:
is
it
possible
that
the
applicant
work
with
you
to
possibly
create
some
more
landscape
area
around
those
trees
for
tree
impact
and
possibly
snow
removal
work
with
you
next
week,
and
we
bring
this
to
dapper
next
week
for
review.
H
That'd
be
fine,
my
biggest
concern
is:
is
the
trees
and
and
losing
root
zone
area?
You
know,
knowing
that
ninety
percent
of
the
root
zone
is
going
to
be
underneath
the
canopy
of
the
tree
and
by
covering
over
it,
even
with
permeable
pavers,
it's
going
to
be
extremely
detrimental
to
the
to
the
health
of
the
trees
for
any
type
of
long
term,
and
that's
that's
my
biggest
concern
is,
is
you
know,
we're
taking
a
design,
that's
current
and
then
trying
to
make
something?
H
That's
not
going
to
be
suitable
for
the
trees,
it's
very
hard
to
work
with
the
trees
in
this
situation,
without
it
just
having
so
much
adverse
impact
on
it
that
it
could,
you
know,
could
ultimately
just
just
kill
the
tree
at
this
point.
So.
G
H
G
Makes
sense
good
questions,
so
let
me
consider
them
and
if
it's
all
right,
can
I
see
you
an
email
and
set
up
a
meeting
to
discuss,
see
if
you
have
any
ideas.
B
B
I'm
wondering
if
there
could
be
some
consideration
for
shrinking
it
a
little
bit,
maybe
putting
it
between
the
trees,
but
allowing
the
trees
to
have
more
space
on
either
end
of
the
green
space,
and
also
this
does
not
include
the
sidewalk
cafe
that
you
previously
operated
if
you're
losing
space
by
shrinking
this
patio.
Can
you
make
it
up
by
adding
in
the
tables
that
you
operated
on
the
sidewalk
last
year?.
G
Yeah,
I
mean
certainly
we
could
shrink
the
size
of
the
patio
I
mean
if
it
becomes
so
small
that
it's
you
know
what
you're
gonna
get
eight
people
on
it.
You
know
whether
whether
that
makes
sense
to
proceed
or
not,
but
I
think
shrinking.
It
is
certainly
a
possibility,
a
for
the
sake
of
the
trees
as
well
as
snow
removal,
and
to
answer
your
specific
question
yeah
I
mean
this
doesn't
preclude
us
from
still
putting
sidewalk
seating
in
one
of
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
to
do.
G
This
is
that
most
of
the
seating
that
were
allowed
sidewalk
seating
is
along
central
street
there
and
we've
got
a
bus,
stop
right
in
front.
It's
an
extremely
busy
street,
and
it's
just
really
not
that
pleasant
of
a
sidewalk
atmosphere,
and
you
know
clearly
having
something
on
in
this.
Parkway
would
be
just
much
more
pleasant
and
better
for
our
business.
So
particularly
with
the
growth
in
outdoor,
seating
and
clovit
and
all
those
things
this
would,
this
would
be
a
nice.
A
Did
you
ever
consider
just
doing
like
tables
in
the
part
not
just
like
paving
but
just
doing
those
and
what
I'm
seeing
is
those
you
know?
They're
hexagonal
shaped
tables
just
on
the
grass
surface
and
maybe
even
doing
one
of
like
the
parklets
to
build
out
on
the
street.
Sure
I
mean.
G
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
absolutely
stuck,
I'm
putting
pavers
down
or
maybe
there's
a
type
of
paper
that
we
could
put
in
that's
the
depth
is
the
depth.
Requirements
are
minimal
and
it
would
allow
brass
and
such
to
continue
to
grow
grow
through
it.
So
I
mean
I'm
open
to
other
alternatives.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
stuck
on
this.
This
notion
so.
E
A
Why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
move?
It
sounds
like
you're
going
to
come
back.
Why
don't
you
talk
unless
there's
any
other
comments?
Why
don't
sounds
like
you're
going
to
talk
with
michael
callahan
and
maybe
and
gary
can
continue
to
help
shepherd
some
of
this
on
maybe
think
of
a
couple
alternatives.
I
think
we've
been
supportive
of
using
this
actual
street
for
things
for
dining
areas.
A
If
that's
you
know,
we
have
there's
a
fee
associated
with
that,
but
that
you
know
you
have
some
nice
paved
surface
right
next
to
the
space
and
then
you
preserve
some
green
space.
Maybe
for
some
additional
you
know
working
with
you
and
that
might
end
up,
even
resulting
in
more
tables
and
space
for
your
outside
dining
and
people
seem
to
have
no
problem
eating
in
in
the
paved
street
space.
So
we
can
work
on
that.
So
that
is.
G
Yeah,
absolutely
let
me
get
with
with
michael
and
or
mike
and
see
if
there's,
if
there's
a
way
to
resolve
the
tree
root
issue
and
preserving
the
trees
and
if
there
isn't
then
maybe
the
answer
is
we
just
continue
to
use
the
grass
and
I've
been
really
appreciative
that
the
city
has
accommodated
that
and
then
it's
just
kind
of
a
regular
maintenance
of
that
grassy
area.
B
Referred
to
it,
but
we've
allowed
businesses
to
use
the
parking
lane.
Essentially,
even
though
no
parking
is
allowed
right
here
with
the
addition
of
concrete
barriers
around
which
you
work
with
the
city
to
arrange-
and
there
is
a
fee
for
that-
and
that
that
fee
is
probably
a
lot
less
expensive
than
installing
paper
blocks.
G
Yeah
yeah,
so
the
sidewalk
cafe
that
we
run
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
along
central
street.
Those
tables
are
actually
which
is
on
the
survey
they're
actually
on
the
building's
property.
G
B
Okay,
so.
A
A
On
I'd
like
to
move
on,
it
sounds
like
there's
more
work
to
be
done
off
meeting,
because
we
have
a
couple
other
items
I
just
so.
If
you
have.
A
I
Wanted
to
make
one
quick
note
before
we
moved
on,
there
was
talk
about
with
snow
removal
and
placing
it
in
the
bike
racks,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
that's
not
acceptable
to
place
on
the
bike.
Racks,
hello.
I
do
know
that
sometimes
property
owners
and
businesses
will
have
the
snow
trucked
out,
and
so
that's
something
that
you
can
consider
as
well.
A
You
right
so
why
don't
we
just
make
a
motion
to
continue
the
item
to
a
date
uncertain
pending.
C
F
E
E
E
A
We'll
attend
to
that
one
at
a
future
meeting:
1601
sherman
avenue,
preliminary
and
final
review
conor
four
application
for
a
building
permit
for
exterior
alteration
to
an
existing
seven-story
office
and
retail
building
the
fountain
square
building
in
the
d2
downtown
retail
core
district.
J
Joanna
hi,
it's
it
it's
rich
clowder
from
dla
piper
I'm
joined
with
joined
by
jeff
shape,
connor
poor
and
jacob
waller
from
shape
partners
they're
a
very
prominent
chicago
based
developer.
They
are
redeveloping
1601
sherman,
it's
an
as
of
right
project.
However,
we
wanted
to
get
your
input
and
receive
your
feedback
on
some
exterior
alterations
for
fountain
square.
J
We
think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
addressing
staff
concerns
to
date.
We've
also
received
comments
from
bird
friendly
evanston
and
we're
pleased
to
speak
to
you
a
little
bit
today
about
what
we've
been
able
to
implement
by
way
of
modifications
at
their
behest
and
without
further
ado.
Let
me
turn
it
over
to
the
developer
and
they
will
give
a
brief
presentation,
after
which
we'll
be
happy
to
receive
your
input.
K
Thank
you,
rich
jeff,
shade
back
on
behalf
of
ownership.
I
don't
know
who's
controlling
the
screen.
I
know
I'm
not
so
if
I
can
just
say
next
slide,
please
that
would
be
awesome.
We're
looking
at
what's
known
as
1601
sherman
avenue.
We
also
refer
to
it
as
1616
orrington
and
that's
only
because
our
often
new
office
entry
address
will
be
at
1616
orington
and
the
building
itself
has
always
been
known
as
1601,
because
that
is
where
the
retail
was
located
on
sherman,
which
will
continue
to
be
in
that
location.
K
K
Go
a
few
more
just
to
the
floor
plan
and
then
we'll
come
back
up
to
all
of
the
renderings
perfect.
That's
it!
The
plan
on
the
left
is
the
ground
floor.
This
is
consistent
with
what
we
showed
to
dapper
at
a
preliminary
meeting
a
number
of
months
ago,
retail
tenant
a
will
have
three
sides
to
the
building.
Retail
tenant
b
will
have
two
sides
to
the
building.
K
Their
primary
entrances,
as
planned
to
date
will
be
sherman,
although
our
retail,
a
tenant,
has
told
us
that
that
orrington
addre
sorry,
the
origin
entry
will
also
be
very
important
to
them.
Tenant
b
will
also
have
the
ability
to
do
an
orrington
entry
and
then,
lastly,
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
of
the
ground
floor
plan,
you'll
notice,
an
office
entry
with
an
office
vestibule.
Please
note
that
that
elevator
core
is
a
new
elevator
core.
K
We
are
replacing
the
an
existing
core
that
was
there,
but
we
are
moving
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
draw
on
your
plan.
If
that's
okay,
we
are
moving
the
existing
elevator
and
entry
from
this
location
back
to
here
and
we're
doing
that.
K
For
a
number
of
reasons,
it's
allowing
us
in
this
plan
to
have
a
much
cleaner
floor
plate
for
office
on
the
floors
to
and
above,
and
it's
also
allowing
us
to
take
what
we
felt
was
not
a
positive
for
sherman,
which
was
basically
a
blank
wall
for
a
huge
section
of
sherman
avenue
for
this
building,
and
instead
we
are
now
making
it
storefront
for
our
retail
tenants,
which
we
think
is
a
better
use
for
sherman
and
with
the
building
directly
across
the
street,
which
I
believe
is
1603
orington.
K
K
We
are
merely
just
cleaning
up
by
demolishing
out
all
of
the
old
tenant
finishes
or
fit
out
that
they
had
built
over
the
last,
maybe
20
or
30
years,
and
we
have
now
vacated
the
entire
building.
So
there
are
no
tenants
left
in
the
building
and,
under
our
demo,
permit
have
begun
our
work,
demolishing
those
spaces
and
cleaning
them
up.
So
that
way,
when
we
have
our
building
permit,
we
can
start
our
principal
work
to
re-finagle
or
reconfigure
rather
the
core
and
remove
the
existing
core.
That's
there
today.
K
K
We
think
this
is
an
incredibly
unique
site,
an
incredibly
unique
building
and
by
cleaning
up
the
facade,
for
example,
by
refinishing
all
of
this
limestone
and
by
cleaning
up
the
storefront
both
at
the
base,
which
has
been
obscenely
redone
in
in
just
very
bad
ways
for
way
too
long.
K
We're
very
excited
to
clean
all
of
that
up
and
as
well
as
our
glass
and
make
this
the
building
that
it
should
be
in
a
location
like
this
in
evanston
and
a
building
that
is
so
visible
to
all
of
evanston
that
really
the
most
major
change
other
than
cleaning
up
an
eyesore
in
our
opinion,
is
the
rooftop
of
which
we
are
proposing
adding
the
glass
parapet
wall,
and
that
is
a
glass
parapet,
wall
which
will
be
new
glass
and
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
presentation.
K
That
is
a
place
in
which
we
are
proposing
to
add
bird
glass
and
are
grateful.
I
believe
leslie
is
on
this
call
and
it
was
leslie
who's
been
in
touch
with
us
and
with
our
council
on
giving
us
some
advice
on
things
that
she
has
been
very
kind
to
offer
up
ideas
of
things
that
we
can
do
something
that
I
think
is
really
important
to
note
and
we're
happy
to
start
sharing
a
screen
of
ours,
because
we
have
some
updated
renderings.
K
We
did
make
one
mistake
in
this
rendering
that
we'd
like
to
call
out,
and
that
mistake-
is
these
trees?
I
guess
we
could
only
dream.
Are
that
large
they're
nowhere
near
the
size
that
we
unintentionally
drew
them?
We
actually
have
photos
from
this
morning.
The
trees
go
to
right
about
there
and
we
have
photos
of
the
existing
trees
and
we've
updated
our
renderings
to
follow
what
those
trees
actually
are,
and
it
really
was
leslie
who
pointed
out
that
the
reflectivity
of
those
trees
in
the
glass
wouldn't
be
good
and
we
were
like.
K
Oh
that's,
actually
a
really
good
point,
and
then
we
discovered
the
trees
are
not
there
at
that
height.
So
we
don't
believe
that
that
will
be
an
issue
in
the
glass
and
again
we're
happy
to
share
with
you
updated
renderings,
as
well
as
an
image
from
this
morning
of
where
those
trees
are
at
our
building.
In
fact,
looking
back
the
trees
are
kind
of
hilarious.
It's
almost
like
redwood
forest
in
california,
because
they
are
enormous
in
this
rendering.
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
image,
please
or
next
rendering.
Please.
D
I
was
gonna,
say
jeff
if
anybody
on
your
team
wants
to
share
their
drawings.
I.
K
A
And
then
jeff,
if
you
want
to
finish
up
in
the
next
couple
minutes,
then
we
can.
I
don't
think
there's
been
a
ton
of
questions
since
everyone's
seen
this
and
you're
in
the
final
stages.
But
if
then
we
can
keep
going
so
feel
free
to
wrap
up
whenever
you're
ready,
great.
K
K
Great,
if
we
could
just
go
maybe
two
more
down
and
I
can
wrap
up
right
now,
both
of
the
facades
showing
the
new
storefront
and
lastly,
if
we
can
get
to
the
one
that
shows
the
fritted
glass
to
meet
standards
for
new
glass
and
bird.
K
It's
the
next
one.
There
we
go
using
the
two
by
four
rule,
as
it
relates
to
a
pattern
in
that
class
and
again
we're
grateful
for
the
feedback
that
we
were
given.
There
were
some
other
things
that
I
won't
spend
time
talking
to
you
guys
about.
We
did
talk
to
leslie
an
email
about
of
different
things
that
we
can
do
to
also
further
mitigate
any
issues
with
a
bird
migration
pattern
lucky
for
us.
K
This
building
has
been
here
since
before
I
was
born
and
is
staying
in
its
current
condition,
its
current
height,
etc.
With
the
exception
of
the
added
bird
glass
up
on
the
top
floor,
unless
anyone
has
questions
I'll
stop
talking.
A
I
think
there
were
some
questions
or
comments
from
bird
friendly.
Evanston
is
somebody
leslie
here
or
or
somebody
else
want
to
comment.
I.
L
Am-
and
I
said
yes,
I
so
appreciate
all
the
steps
you
guys
have
taken
and
I
would
love
redwoods
and
evanston,
but
I
totally
appreciate
your
site
understanding
that
you're
the
trees
are
actually
sized
down.
So
all
of
that
sounds
great
to
the
extent
that
there
are
planters
outside.
I
hope
you
keep
an
eye
on
that,
but
I
really
appreciate
your
you
know:
steps
to
avoid
bird
deaths
and
I
just
want
to
also
mention
the
corners.
You
know
we're
cleaning
up
the
glass.
L
So
even
though
this
is
an
existing
building,
it
might
you
know
it's
also.
It
may
both
create
more
collisions
because
we're
cleaning
it
up,
but
then,
in
addition
to
that,
it's
kind
of
emblematic
right
downtown
in
in
evanston,
and
so
we
we
would
just
hope
to
avoid
collisions
right
right
in
the
you
know,
center
of
fountain
square
here,
so
the
corners
are
the
other
thing
and
you
can
kind
of
avoid
that,
perhaps
by
just
reducing
the
see-through
aspect
of
the
corners
I'll
be
quiet.
L
But
I
do
appreciate
all
the
steps
you
guys
have
taken.
C
Just
a
couple
comments
you
had
mentioned
two
separate
addresses
here
so
for
permitting
purposes
if
you
can
be
consistent
with
the
1601
sherman
address,
so
that
we
have
all
permits
under
the
same
address
that
would
be
appreciated
and
then
also
we've
created
a
construction
management
plan
for
this
project.
A
couple
of
the
items
in
there
was
photo
documentation
of
the
sidewalks
in
the
parkway.
C
So
if
that
can
be
done,
so
we
just
want
exa
the
documentation
of
the
existing
conditions,
so
those
photos
could
be
sent
to
ingrid
eckersburg
and
you
can
copy
me
on
them
prior
to
construction
activity
starting
there
and
then
the
last
thing
is
for
the
protection
of
the
fountain
square
monument
that
should
go
to
dave
stoneback
prior
to
any
protection
being
put
in
place
for
approval.
Okay,
thank.
K
B
I
had
a
concern
also
one
of
the
comments
that
we've
previously
given
was
to
replace
the
sidewalk
along
orington
for
the
length
building
in
order
to
update
it
to
more
of
the
city
standard,
and
it
appears
that
you
are
not,
including
that
in
the
project.
K
That's
correct,
we're
not
affecting
that
sidewalk
at
all.
It
actually,
in
our
opinion,
would
make
it
inconsistent
with
the
rest
of
orrington.
I
had
met
with
the
mayor,
maybe
two
or
three
months
ago,
and
he
told
me
the
history
of
sherman
having
been
redone
and
orrington
was
not
redone.
K
Furthermore,
I
believe
that
the
fountain
square
redo
includes
the
same
varies
condition
that
you're
referring
to
on
origin,
but
we're
not
touching
that
sidewalk
and
don't
believe
that
it
would
be
our
responsibility
to
completely
rip
up
a
sidewalk
when
we
are
not
asking
for
any
relief
in
this
project
or
any
financing
or
anything
why
that
would
fall
on
us.
We
don't
think
that's
our
responsibility
to
replace
an
entire
sidewalk.
B
In
the
past,
when
there's
been
significant
rehab
of
buildings
and
I'm
thinking,
there's
a
bank
that
went
in
on
the
southwest
corner
of
sherman
and
clark,
I
think
the
properties
have
generally
updated
the
sidewalk,
and
I
think
it's
particularly
odd,
because
whether
or
not
you're
substantially
impacting
the
sidewalk
you're
changing
your
entrance
to
orington
and
the
existing
sidewalk
is
definitely
harder
to
maintain
than
the
new
city
standard
is.
So
I
would
think
that
that's
something
that
becomes
an
appearance
issue
for
you.
K
We
we
like
the
sidewalk
the
way
that
you
guys
designed
it
originally
on
orington.
It's
consistent
up.
B
It
is
completely
consistent
with
how
we've
done
in
the
past,
where
there
may
be
a
section
of
the
sidewalk
that
has
been
replaced
with
the
newer
standard,
particularly
when
you're,
basically
working
from
the
end
of
the
block-
and
I
realize
found
square-
is
the
true
end
of
the
block.
But
I
think
that
this
is
the
the
commercial
end
of
the
block.
B
I
I
think
that
there
is
no
issue
and
I
have
to
actually
go
look
at
the
addresses,
but
this
has
definitely
been
done
by
other
businesses
and
generally
works
to
make
a
much
cleaner
entrance
for
the
businesses
and
works
to
generally
update
our
infrastructure.
As
we
go
forward.
A
Well-
and
I
I
would
also
I
mean
one
something
to
think
about
for
the
permits
holder
here-
is
when
the
city
updates
the
sidewalk,
it's
pretty
disruptive
and
if
you're
going
to
disrupt
your
operations-
and
you
have
a
retail
tenant
there
doing
it
now
and
making
the
investment
is
likely
to
save
you.
Some
challenges
down
the
road
too.
So
it
is
to
your
benefit
as
well,
because
when
we're
it's
torn
up,
it's
it's
on
a
city
schedule.
It
may
not.
A
You
know
the
street
may
be
torn
up
and
then
we
get
to
it
next
week
I
mean
there's
there's
a
process
here,
but
if
you
do
it
now,
you're
in
control
and
you
don't
have
a
tenant,
that's
affected
or
when
we
do
it,
everybody
who
walks
in
the
building
on
orington
is
affected
as
well.
So
that's
a
major
you
talk
to
any
of
the.
K
K
Okay,
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
not
worried
about
the
retail
tenants
because
they're
primary
entrances
on
sherman,
so
it
would
be
the
office
tenants,
but
I
think
that
that's
going
to
impact
every
single
building
on
orrington.
It
isn't
like
it
uniquely
impacts
us
that
you
decide
to
redo
all
of
warrington
one
day,
I'm
sure
when
it
happened
on
sherman,
they
were
close
to
100
tenants
who
were
impacted
by
the
redo
of
the
sidewalk.
K
And
also
one
other
thing
to
note
is
we
do
have
an
entrance
on
sherman
for
our
office
tenants.
So,
arguably
all
of
office,
all
of
retail.
During
your
work,
we
might
actually
be
the
ones
who
can
help
you,
where
other
buildings
complain
that
they
can't
seem
to
get
across
the
sidewalk,
we'll
probably
be
the
one
building
that
won't
complain
as
much
because
we'll
have
a
way
to
get
into
our
building
for
both
office
and
retail.
During
that
work
in
the
future.
A
Rest
assured
somebody
will
complain,
people
always
complain,
it's
the
way.
They've
always
walked
it's
just
we.
We
understand
that.
That's
the
nature
of
the
thing.
So
why
don't
we
we?
Let's
do
this?
Why
don't
we
put
some
k
if
you
laura,
you
want
to
add
a
condition
to
further
study
the
cost
and
considerations
for
replacement
of
the
sidewalk
without
a
requirement,
but
consider
that
we
we
work
with
the
applicant
to
study
this,
because
I
think
there's
also.
We
do
have
trip
hazards
as
well.
A
So
there's
favors
are
not
are
the
papers
that
are
there.
We
do.
We
do
have
concerns
and
we
do
get
issues
with
having
to
reset
them
due
to
trip
hazards.
A
E
D
F
B
L
E
F
D
F
A
All
right
motion
passes
all
right.
Next
up,
2021
lee
street
under
great
avenue
recommendation
of
ebay
ce
hoff
applicants
submits
for
major
zoning
relief
for
a
one
story:
18
000
square
foot
edition
with
a
five
foot,
rear
yard
setback
where
20
feet
were
fired
in
the
i2
general
industrial
district
vba.
The
determining
body
is
somebody
out
for
seeing
me.
J
Yeah
rich
clowder
is
here
again
and
sue,
rob
and
josh,
I
believe,
are
here,
although
I
don't
see
all
of
them
rob
do
you
want
to
pick
up
where
johanna
left
off
and
just
introduced
the
project
she
she
stated,
obviously
the
obvious,
which
is
that
we're
planning
an
addition
and
that
will
require
us
to
go
into
the
rear
yard
setback.
Thus,
the
request
before
the
zoning
board
is
to
get
relief
from
20
to
5
feet,
but
rob
do
you
want
to
sort
of
place
this
in
a
broader
context?
J
J
J
Sure
is
dan
on
he's,
probably
more
familiar
with
the
design.
M
J
You
want
to
talk
to
the
dapper
about
the
design
features
here.
Sure
that's
a
good!
This
is
a
good
one
to
land
on
this.
This
this
slide
yeah.
M
Actually,
maybe
we
could
go
it's
a
fairly
complicated
campus,
let's
just
say:
maybe
we
could
go
back
to
to
get
a
a
back
up
to
the
surveys,
one
more
one
more
backup.
Please.
M
Yeah
there
we
go
so
this
is
kind
of
the
existing
conditions.
I
don't
know
if
people
know
this
this
site,
it's
very
far
west
in
the
in
the
city.
It
consists
of
a
number
of
pieces,
a
number
of
parcels
that
were
that
were
purchased
over
time
and
currently
the
existing
campus
consists
of
three
separate
buildings
that
you
see
here
and
the
they're
interconnected,
with
the
very
the
narrow
links
that
you
can
see
between
the
middle
building
and
the
one
to
the
right
and
the
one
to
the
left.
M
They
have
spread
their
manufacturing
operations
out
over
these
three
buildings
and
they
are
looking
in
the
broadest
terms.
I
do
believe
that
rob
is
going
to
try
and
call
back
in.
He
can
speak
to
the
particulars
of
the
the
way
this
works
internally
for
them,
but
they
are
trying
to
create
a
better
workflow
by
locating
one
of
their
key
departments
more
centrally
in
this
campus.
M
So
the
area,
that's
in
question-
is
directly
above
or
north
of
the
center
kind
of
square
building
that
you
see
in
the
middle
of
the
screen,
that's
currently
occupied
by
the
by
the
parking
lot
there.
One
thing
that
has
happened
very
recently
is
that
if
you
see
just
up
into
the
left
from
that
center
building,
there's
kind
of
a
there's
kind
of
a
notch
in
the
in
the
property
line
where
the
the
old
railroad
right-of-way
carries
through.
M
They
recently
just
purchased
another
lot
that
that
is
essentially
the
extension
of
that
of
that
notch
to
the
north,
all
the
way
to
believe
it's
brown
street
and
that
affords
them
a
lot
more
parking
which
would
essentially
offset
the
parking
that
they
would
be
losing
by
replacing
the
parking
lot
that
you
see
there
directly
above
or
to
the
north
of
the
center
building.
Why
don't
we
go
down
to
the
next
slide?
M
Please
there's
rob
just
very
quickly.
The
next
slide
is,
is
that's
the
that's
the
additional
parking
spot,
the
parking
lot,
and,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe
we
just
keep
going
past
this
slide
to
the
there's,
a
drawing
sp
1-3.
That
shows
a
plan,
a
site
plan,
one
more:
that's
that's
the
existing
conditions
with
the
the
additional
parking
drawn
in
place,
and
then
this
one
here
that
just
a
little
bit
further
down.
Please.
M
One
more
bump
on
your
on
your
mouse,
michael
oop,
a
little
too
far.
M
It's
getting
hung
up.
Sorry,
michael,
can
you
pop
up
just
one
more
a
little
bit?
Please
there
we
go.
I
think
that's
probably
good
enough
you,
so
you
can
see
the
the
three
existing
buildings
on
the
campus
and
they're
they're
rendered
in
the
diagonal
hatch.
M
The
the
cross
hatch
directly
above
that
center
building
is
is
represents
the
addition
and
again
you
can
see
that
it's
centrally
located
in
the
in
the
campus,
it's
for
the
electronics
assembly
floor
and
so
a
lot
of
the
parts
are
being
worked
on
and
kind
of
the
the
raw
materials,
let's
just
say,
get
get
get
created
in
the
other
two
buildings,
and
then
everything
comes
to
the
center
place
where,
where
the
the
alternators,
which
is
the
main,
which
is
the
the
object
that
they're
producing,
gets,
gets
assembled
and
put
into
place
so
that
it's
a
very
key
operation,
the
existing
build
space
that
they're
in
now
is
is
low.
M
It's
really
not
very
well
suited
to
the
to
the
work
that's
being
done
in
there,
so
they're
looking
for
a
high
bay
space
more
or
less
in
the
middle
of
the
campus.
That
will
allow
them
to
create
a
workflow
that
really
is
will
will
help
them
be
much
more
efficient.
Internally
rob.
I
I
see
your
back
on.
Do
you
want
to
add
something
to
this
to
what
I'm
describing.
A
B
M
B
Okay,
so
your
frontage
on
greenleaf
street
does
there
is
no
public
sidewalk
along
greenleaf
in
that
area,
and
but
there
is
public
sidewalk
to
the
east,
and
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
since
you're
doing
some
major
construction
anyway
to
extend
the
sidewalk
along
greenwood,
at
least
to
the
limits
of
your
property.
N
Yeah,
I
have
a
john
f
quick
question.
So
do
you
know
how
many
total
spaces
are
affected
are
going
to
be
affected
by
where
the
new
building
is
going
to
be
placed
and
how
many
new
spaces
you're
going
to
be
be
providing
in
the
new
parcel
that
you're
acquiring
and
then
how
many
more
additional
employees
will
this
facility
now
employ
and
how
many
more
vehicles
do
you
anticipate.
M
I
I
don't
know
of
any
additional
employees
being
added.
My
understanding
is
that
this
is.
This
is
just
an
internal
reorganization
and
in
terms
of
the
number
of
spaces.
M
I
M
B
A
The
special
as
a
condition
of
this,
of
the
variance
okay,
there's
a
second.
C
E
E
E
D
F
A
Will
be
us
the
which
cb,
which
cba
meeting
will
this
be
at?
Is
this
the
one
coming
up
april?
1
was
the
news
for
that.
A
Thank
you
record
place:
2116
2120,
ashland
avenue,
1625
paint
street
slash,
2147,
2149,
dewey,
avenue,
recognition,
vba,
kathy
lichtenstein
applicant
smith
for
an
expansion
of
a
special
use
permit
for
a
daycare
center
domestic
animal
and
a
kennel
records
place
originally
approved
by
ordinance
84018
and
the
mxc
mixed
use.
Zoning
code,
section
6-13-4-3
city
council,
is
the
determining
body
kathy.
Are
you
on?
Would
you
like
to
give
us
the
less
than
60
seconds
review
of
what
you'd
like
to
do.
O
O
Oh
okay,
sorry
I
currently
operate
in
half
building
right
now
and
the
other
half
of
the
building
just
became
free,
so
I'm
in
a
contract
to
purchase
the
building.
So
we
are
looking
to
build
an
agility
center
within
the
building.
So
we'll
have
a
daycare
boarding,
kennel
and
agility
center,
and
really
there
was
no
outside
work.
A
Staff,
my
only
commenter
question
is:
will
you
be
keeping
the
curb
cut
to
go
to
drive
into
the
space.
O
I
have
always
requested
that
we
have
it
as
a
loading
zone.
We
are
doing
curbside
pickups
right
now
for
the
daycare
and
we're
going
to
continue
doing
that.
So
we're
fine
to
do
it.
The
way
it
is,
but
once
I
have
the
whole
entire
building,
I
just
like
to
make
it
as
a
loading
zone.
So
people
can
come
in
and
come
out.
A
I
guess
public
works.
What
do
you
think
I
mean?
I
think
the
issue
is:
do
you
need
the
grade
to
be
at
grades,
so
cars
can
cross.
The
sidewalk
versus
voting
zone
is
one
thing
from
a
parking
perspective,
but
do
we
need,
if
we're
not,
if
cars
aren't
crossing
the
sidewalk,
do
we
need
those
kinds
of
sidewalks
that
need
the
street.
A
N
From
a
perspective,
I
would
prefer
that
as
well.
We
get
a
lot
of
complaints
on
that
block
and
we
got
double
clutch
getting
ready
to
open,
and
you
know
there's
quite
a
few
residences
on
that
block
now.
So
I
would.
I
would
prefer
that
we
put
sidewalks
and
and
created
parking
as
opposed
to
having
the
driveway.
N
N
No,
no,
the
meals
on
wheels
has
a
has
meals
on
wheels.
Has
the
time
specific
loading
zone.
It's
like
it's
like
from
7am
to
2pm,
or
something
like
that
and
then
after
2pm,
anybody
can
park
in
the
spaces.
B
A
Kathy,
we
would
think
there's
a
condition
of
your
special
use,
for
the
daycare
that
you
would
within
a
period
of
time,
would
have
to
restore
the
curb
okay
to
you,
know,
engineering
specifications
and
that
you
know
we
would
work
with
you
to
create
a
parking
plan.
Flash
loading
zone,
okay,.
A
That
would
travel
with
the
minutes
and
the
so
that
would
be
because
it
just
it
it
can't.
This
is
if
it's
gonna
be
treating
if
it's
not
being
used
the
way
it
was
designed.
We
need
to
fix
that,
because
we're
gonna
get
it's
not
clear.
With
parking
or
other
illegal
parking,
I
mean
we
have
to
have
proper
enforcement
of
the
street.
So
if
the
use
is
changing
and
you're
you're
changing
the
use,
you're
gonna
be
responsible
for
changing
the
sidewalk.
N
N
B
I'll
make
a
motion
for
a
positive
recommendation
to
zda,
with
the
condition
that
the
property
owner
once
the
property
is
required
within
six
months,
restores
I'll,
say
within
12
months,
restores
the
the
curb
and
the
public
sidewalk
for
the
length
of
the
property
and
in
return
will
be
allowed.
We'll
work
with
the
city
to
develop
when
a
zone
voting
zone
is
needed
for
their
business
and
it
will
be
restricted
to
those
hours
as
a
loading
zone,
but
that
public
parking
will
be
allowed
at
other
times
when
the
business
is
closed.
Thank
you.
A
Why
don't
we
just
leave
it
open
to
what
we
determine
once
we've
studied
the
space,
so
we
don't
okay,
yeah!
Is
there
a
second.
I
E
E
D
A
A
Oh,
thank
you
for
the
second
jessica,
all
those
in
favor.
B
A
Hi
great,
thank
you
we're
just
on
a
note
we
can
get
to
our
3
30
now
see
you
there
thank.