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A
Okay
looks
like
we
have
a
quorum
present
today,
so
welcome
to
the
september
30th
dapper
meeting
we
do
have
three
items
on
the
agenda
that
were
listed
on.
The
agenda
did
want
to
let
people
know
if
anyone
is
here
for
12
35
dodge
the
third
item.
They
will
not
be
presenting,
and
so
the
committee
will
not
be
considering
that
item
today.
A
All
right,
first
order
of
business
is
suspension
the
rules
to
allow
this
meeting
by
zoom.
I
hear
motion.
A
C
Hi,
tristan
hi
hank.
D
C
Jo
jones,
I
and
sterling.
E
A
Okay,
the
rules
have
been
suspended
all
right.
The
first
item
of
business
is
1603
warrington
avenue
it's
a
building
permit
to
renovate
the
plaza.
Is
the
applicant
present?
A
Yes,
I'm
here.
Yes,
you
could
please.
A
And
explain
to
us
what
you'd
like
to
do.
F
F
F
In
addition
to
that,
we
would
like
to
replace
the
non-compliant
guard
rails
around
the
garage
entrance
ramps
that
are
currently
on
orington
in
doing
so,
we'll
also
be
replacing
some
of
the
the
pavers
on
the
plaza
that
are
in
poor
condition.
A
Okay,
when
you
say
some
of
the
flavors,
is
there
a
particular
section
that
you'll
be
replacing
or
just
intermittently,
depending
on
the
condition.
F
Yeah
intermittently,
depending
on
the
condition
and
what
we
find
below
the
building,
has
some
water
getting
into
it
in
the
basement,
and
so
we're
worried
about
the
waterproofing
underneath
the
paper.
So
as
we
go
along
the
project,
you
know
we're
going
to
sort
of
assess
the
conditions
that
we
have,
that
we
can
access
and
then
and
go
from
there.
F
It
could
mean
that
there
will
be
a
you
know:
additional
permit
application
in
the
future
to
look
at
other
areas
on
the
plaza,
but
the
initial
sort
of
scope
is
this:
this
entry
stair
here
that
you
see
and
this
ramp,
leading
towards
the
new
the
building
entry.
A
Okay,
so
for
the
replacement
of
the
existing
pavers,
I
know
that
often
the
the
coloring
on
those
pavers
wears
over
time.
How
confident
are
you
being
able
to
to
match
the
existing.
F
They
have
quite
a
bit
of
attic
stock
if
you
will
in
their
basement
of
those
pavers.
I
think
they
have
about
1100
pavers
in
stock
from
when
they
were
originally
put
in.
So
you
know
there
probably
will
be
some
slight
discoloration,
because
the
they
haven't
been
exposed
to
the
elements,
but
we
feel
pretty
confident
that
it
won't
look
out
of
place.
A
Okay
and
then,
if
we
were
present
we'd,
probably
have
you
pass
a
material
sample
around
to
everyone
to
take
a
look
at
the
the
new
material.
But
if
you
could
describe
that
to
us
there,
what
we
see
in
the
photo
here,
rendering.
F
Yeah
this
rendering
is
slightly
updated.
Unfortunately,
the
new,
the
current
design
for
this,
that
all
the
forms
are
still
the
same,
but
the
current
design
is
to
build
all
of
this
out
of
concrete
and
have
the
ramp
itself
be
a
different
color
concrete,
so
it
differentiates
itself
so
these
you
know
it
looks
like
we're
showing
three
different
materials
here.
It'll
really
only
be
two
materials
which
will
be
concrete
where
that
man
in
the
foreground
is
standing,
the
stairs
will
be
concrete
as
well.
F
The
ramp
will
be
concrete,
but
just
a
different
color
variation,
we're
trying
to
tie
that
color
variation
into
the
existing
plaza.
So
it
looks
like
it's.
It's
been
there
from
the
start,
not
like
it's
a
new
proposed
material.
F
G
G
So
we're
basically
picking
up
on
that
existing
pattern
and
say,
for
example,
where
the
l,
where
the
pattern
lines
come,
go
east
to
west,
then
that
would
cut.
You
know,
slice
right
through
where
our
platform
and
our
landing
is
on
that
area,
just
to
tie
it
all
together
as
one
concept.
A
F
D
So
from
what
I
understand,
the
work
on
the
building
and
the
plaza
is
being
done
in
phases
which
I
think
has
caused
some
confusion
for
staff
and
reviewers.
Could
you
just
go
through
briefly
what
work
is
being
done
in
its
entirety
and
and
what
the
phases
are.
G
Sure
cheers
hi
gary
nice
to
see
you
officially,
yes,
phase.
One
is
pretty
much
what
we're
looking
at
here
in
the
rendering
and
so
far
as
you
know,
the
stair,
the
platform
which
are
new
and
as
andrew
mentioned,
this
will
also
include
getting
rid
of
the
rusting
failing
guardrails
that
we
have
at
the
garage
entrance
and
pretty
much
that
whole
part.
G
And
the
excuse
me,
the
north
stare,
the
north
steps
of
the
plaza
they're
they're
suffering
from
the
same
issue
that
we
have
on
the
south
end,
which
is
some
of
the
the
steps
themselves
that
we
believe
that
the
concrete
mix
had
too
much
sand.
So
they're,
brittle
and
they're
crumbling.
So
we're
not
only
replacing
the
stair
on
the
south
southwest
corner.
G
We
would
also
be
replacing
the
steps
north
of
that
with
news
stairs
and
adding
an
accessible
ramp
and
yes,
as
you're,
pulling
up
right
there,
so
that
that
would
entail
phase
one.
Basically,
what
you
see
outside
of
this
grayish,
not
in
contract,
hatching
that
we're
using
here
so
pretty
much
the
west
side
of
the
plaza
would
be
within
the
scope.
Phase
two
includes
a
a
refresh
renovation
of
the
the
lobby
and
the
lower
level,
as
well
as
addressing
some
of
the
lower
level
water
infiltration
issues
and
phase.
G
Three
would
be
going
into
further
into
the
plaza
to
change
some
of
that
design,
so
we'll
be
taking
out
a
little
bit
of
the
paved
areas,
we'll
be
adding
some
more
pavers
and
a
planter
that
you
see,
and
that
would
be
under
phase
three
drawings.
G
So
phase
one
and
three
plaza
work.
We
just
divided
into
phase
two
on
the
interior
work
and
oh
for
phase
three.
We
would
we're
also
proposing
to
add
a
an
entry
canopy
to
highlight
the
actual
entrance
to
the
to
the
building.
D
F
I
think
the
the
intention
of
ownership
is
to
eventually
work
its
way
around
the
entire
plaza
to
fix
any
water
infiltration,
but
given
their
budgetary
concerns
that
they're
trying
to
bite
it
off
bit
by
bit,
which
is
why
we're
going
with
this
phased
approach.
G
And
then
do
a
holistic
approach
once
we've
once
we've
done
enough
enough
investigation
to
know
what
what's
happening
underneath
we
have
some
documentation
from
from
original
drawings
and
prior
work.
But,
as
you
know,
sometimes
these
are
not
100
accurate.
So
we'll
have
the
contractor.
Do
some
some
forensics
for
us
here.
B
C
B
G
C
B
And
then
the
current
guard
rails
that
are
out
there,
as
you
pointed
out,
need
need
some
tlc.
They
are
somewhat,
I
mean
they.
They
look
very
similar
to
your
drawings
in
terms
of
what
you're
actually
planning
on
matching
the
existing.
Are
they
the
same
configuration
with
the
bar
mid-way
up,
etc,
or
what
it?
What
do
those
actually
look
like.
G
G
Yes,
so
we
went
with
a
more
conventional
design
where,
like
right
now,
the
ones
that
they
have
the
ones
that
are
rusting
up
are
very
open.
This
one
just
has
a
series
of
verticals
with
the
openings
being
no
more.
You
can't
fit
more
than
a
four
inch
sphere
through
those.
B
G
Based
on
you
know,
on
building
codes
and
accessibility,
accessibility
codes.
Excuse
me.
B
The
and
how
high
are
those
railings
I
know
I
should
be
able
to
see.
G
Sure
42
inches
high.
G
And
mind
you
on
one
on
the
north
portion
of
the
garage
entry,
the
opening
for
the
garage
sticks
up.
You
know
a
couple
of
inches
from
the
ground,
so
those
will
be
at
42
plus
for
the
total,
but
we're
just
doing
42
from
the
retaining
wall
that
they're
sitting
on
so
you'll
get
a
little
bit
higher
as
you
as
you
walk
north.
B
I
guess
I
would
send
that
back
to
my
planner
friends
and
ask
them
how
they
feel
about
that,
because
these
railings
are
quite
a
bit
more
obtrusive
visually.
Although
I
think
that
safety
wise
it's
a
better
design.
G
G
It's
it's
not
that
it's
it's
flat
on
the
south
end
and
then
on
the
north.
When
I
was
there.
I
believe-
and
I
have
it
written
down
here,
but
it's
like
three
inches
and
then
so.
The
42
will
sit
on
top
of
that
three
inches,
because
the
retaining
walls
just
stick
up
a
little
bit
from
the
sidewalk
on
the
just
on
the
north
end.
On
the
actual,
I
should
say
the
north
exit,
because
that's
how
the
cars
exit
out
of
there.
A
H
G
So
for
this
this
portion,
we
wanted
to
keep
it
as
open
as
possible,
obviously
meeting
the
the
mini
minimum
requirements
for
handrails
and
that's
what
we
were
providing
that
l-shaped
ramp
on
the
north
end.
So
we
on
that
one
we
have
handrails
on
both
ends.
We
thought
for
this
one,
since
it's
not
the
main
accessible
point
that
we
could
be
a
little
more
open,
so
that
would
just
have
it
on
on
the
on
the
east
side,
as
you
pointed
out,
but.
H
D
So
ingrid
can
we
can
we
review
that
with
walter
walter
does
have
these
plans?
Can
we
review
that
with
walker.
H
F
There's
a
diagonal
sort
of
ramp
at
the
chicago
river
walk
that
cuts
through
this
stairs
and
the
seating
element.
That
looks
like
that.
I
think
ownership
was
taken
with,
and
this
was
sort
of
a
play
on
that
that
look
and
feel
that
and
the
chicago
riverwalk
doesn't
have
the
the
hungry.
Next
to
it.
H
A
If
you
could
describe
the
awning
that's
proposed,
I
think
I
see
it
on
the
rendering,
but
I
didn't
really
see
it
very
well
in
the
plans
there.
G
Yes,
so
the
this
piece
at
the
entry
that
this
canopy
will
be
still
framed
attached
to
the
existing
concrete
columns
and
then
it'll
be
clad
on
all
four
sides,
meaning
the
the
bottom
of
it.
Where
the
lights
are,
gonna
go
the
top
of
it.
What
would
be
the
roof
and
the
sides
of
it
are
gonna,
be
clad
on
metal
panels
that
are
to
match
the
existing
building
shell
collar
and
it's
about
a
21
21
foot.
Six
inch
width
total
for
the
canopy.
G
I
can
get
you
that
number
here.
If
you
can
just
bear
with
me
sure.
G
F
What
was
happening
is
that
people
that
were
coming
to
the
building
that
weren't
familiar
with
it
didn't
know
because
there's
lots
of
entry
doors.
I
didn't
know
where
the
main
entry
was
so
the
design
intent
was
for
this
new
ramp
lead.
That
leads
you
right
to
the
correct
door
and
then
highlighting
that
door
with
the
new
awning,
and
you
know
the
building
itself
is
very
mesian
in
its
design.
It's
a
you,
know
beautiful.
F
You
know,
box
surrounded,
you
know
sitting
on
top
of
the
glass
lobby
and
we
wanted
to
keep
the
design
of
the
awning
sort
of
in
the
similar
language.
So
it
seemed
of
the
building
and
not
not
a
new
element
that
didn't
belong.
E
I
have
one
quick
question:
what's
the
height
of
the
you
have
those
two
kind
of
terraces
on
the
you
know,
just
south
of
the
stairs?
E
E
G
Yes,
those
are
12
high,
so
it's
12
and
then
24
for
the
top
one
total.
G
We'll
take
a
look
and
basically
what
we
were
here.
We
were
constrained
by
the
overall
height
of
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
top
of
the
plaza,
which
is
two
feet
plus
you
know
give
or
take
one
or
two
inches.
So
that's
why
we
we
limited
it
at
that
height,
but
we
can
we
can.
We
can
take
a
look
at
this
okay.
A
And
then,
just
personally
I
would
say,
as
far
as
the
the
design
of
the
concrete
areas
or
the
areas
you're
saying
you're
changing
the
concrete.
I
prefer
the
ashing
or
something
a
little
more
texture
or
design
to
it,
as
opposed
to
just
the
the
solid
gray
concrete
that
it
sounds
like
you're
you're
now
proposing.
F
Okay,
would
it
what's
the
best
way
to
go
about
that?
Is
it
to
provide
a
new
rendered
image
or
sending
over
material
samples
for
approval
or.
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
could
do
it
with
material
samples.
You
know
either
images
or
specs
of
something
if
or
or
you
can
fedex
over
the
you
know
the
concrete
or
the
material
itself.
D
G
E
Did
you
look
at
doing
just
a
glass
overhead,
something
a
little
simpler
that
just
like.
F
Yeah
we
we
took
cues
again
from
sort
of
the
mesian
buildings
along
the
lakefront
and
what
he
had
done
in
the
past.
Ownership
was
concerned
about
glass.
It
did
come
up
because
in
the
past
they
have
buildings
with
glass
canopies
and
they
have
a
very
hard
time,
keeping
them
clean
and
they
always
end
up.
You
know
sort
of
aging
and
dirtying
over
time,
and
so
they
want
something
that
would
seem
more
timeless
with
the
building.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
or
discussion
was
there
maybe
a
motion
that
would
incorporate
a
final
review
of
more
sophisticated
material,
concrete
material,
textured
material
for
the
ramp
and
the
flat
area
at
the
base.
B
C
A
All
right
motion
a
second,
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
michael,
if
you
call
the
role
please.
C
C
G
E
G
A
All
right,
it's
approved,
thank
you
very
much
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
those
those
final
enhancements.
Excellent.
Thank.
A
All
right
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
800
greenwood
avenue.
This
is
a
recommendation
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
for
special
use
to
establish
a
banquet
hall
within
the
c2
commercial
district
is
the
applicant
present.
I
am
here
great
welcome,
go
ahead
and
and
tell
us
what
you'd
like
to
do
and
walk
us
through
your
plans.
I
I
I
came
here
to
attend
grad
school
at
northwestern
in
1982,
and
I've
lived
here
ever
since
I
love
evanston
and
I
purchased
this
109
year
old
building
in
january
2019..
It
was
the
richard
brunet
luthier.
If
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
richard,
he
was
here
since
the
70s
and
we
went
from
craftsman
to
craftsman,
and
I
brought
this
building
back
to
life
as
the
home
for
my
design
studio.
I
We
moved
in
last
october
and
then
covet
hit
in
march,
because
my
business
specializes
in
creating
custom
invitations
and
branding
for
special
events
and
my
clients
range
from
the
art
institute
and
lyric
opera
to
the
kennedy
center
in
washington
dc
and
national
symphony
orchestra,
and
so
on.
All
my
clients,
events
have
been
cancelled
and
everything
for
2020
with
some
postponed
till
2021
and
2022.
I
So
the
the
inspiration
for
my
idea
and
this
use
variation
is
because
I
need
to
do
something
to
help
my
business
survive.
I
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
use
my
designs
and
I'll
go
through
those
pictures
that
you're
showing
right
there
as
well
I'd
like
to
use
the
showrooms
and
the
courtyard
terrace
as
a
small
venue
for
refined
micro
events
such
as
rehearsal
dinners,
bridal
showers,
anniversary
celebrations,
those
types
of
intimate,
small,
social
and
business
gatherings
and
I'll
be
working
with
a
preferred
list
of
local
caterers
for
food
and
beverage.
I
What's
nice
about
this,
for
me,
is
it's
very
in
synergy
with
the
rest
of
my
business?
I
already
know
all
the
event
planners
in
town
and
caterers:
these
are
people.
I've
worked
with
for
years.
I've
been
in
business
for
29
years,
so
this
is
the
concept,
and
I
can
take
you
through
a
little
bit
just
and
then
I'll
go
through
some
of
the
specifics
of
operations
that
I
we
have
in
mind.
But
if
you
could
scroll
back
to
the
very
beginning
of
my
pages,
please
thanks
so
much
okay.
I
There
you
are
okay,
so
this
is
the
building
is
on
the
corner
of
sherman
and
greenwood.
It's
right
up
against
the
tracks
and
the
entrance
is
this
space
that
you
see
it's
it's
near
the
courtyard,
that's
the
front
door,
and
then
you
can
see
the
terrace
space
through
the
archway
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
picture,
you'll
see
what
the
interior
looks
like
and
there
we
go.
So
that's
where
the
front
door
is
and
it
opens
into
a
foyer,
and
you
can
see
the
foyer
below
it.
Didn't
look
like
this.
I
When
I
got
the
building
and
then
you
see
the
two
rooms
that
are
the
showrooms,
these
are
currently
my
design
showrooms.
My
clients
previously
came
here
to
look
at
and
work
with
me
to
do
designs.
The
french
doors
you
see
in
the
bottom
right
hand
photo
in
room
two
that
leads
into
the
terrace
a
little
fun
tidbit
this
building.
What
did
hold
the
evanston
arts
center
from
1946
to
66,
and
this
room
with
the
fire
with
these
french
doors
was
a
spray
booth.
I
So
in
terms
of
specifics
for
venue
operations,
we're
anticipating
between
10
and
50
people,
the
sweet
spot
that
I've
been
told
by
the
different
caterers
and
professionals
that
I've
had
come
out
and
look
at
the
space
is
about
20
to
30
people,
and
the
duration
of
the
events
would
be
between
two
and
six
hours.
Generally.
Small
events
such
as
this
would
last
about
two
to
three
hours.
I
We
would
do
food
and
beverage
by
independent
caterers
and
with
a
staff
of
between
two
and
six
plus
one
or
two
staff
members
from
my
company,
meaning
me
and
then
perhaps,
if
we
need
someone
else
on
site
transportation,
I'm
right
at
the
dumpster
l
stop.
There
are
two
park,
evanston
zones
right
in
front
and
down
the
street.
I
I
have
two
spaces
in
our
own
driveway
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
and
we
would
use
valet
parking
as
needed.
We
would
instruct
all
guests
in
ballet
to
not
park
on
the
adjacent
residential
streets.
There's
really
no
need
for
that.
In
terms
of
sound,
we
anticipate
limited
use
of
amplified
music.
These
are
really
small
events.
The
space
lends
itself
to
these
very
intimate
people
aren't
wanting
to
entertain
in
their
homes
for
coveted
fears,
and
so
this
would
be
a
place
where
it
feels
like
home,
but
it
would
be
in
a
public
space.
I
We
have
group
service
two
times
a
week
as
it
is
and
in
terms
of
impact
on
neighbors.
This
is
something
I'm
extremely
sensitive
about.
I'm
I'm
I
live
here.
I
live
in
evanston,
it's
my
community
and
the
building
is
on
a
commercial
street.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
been
around
here
or
perhaps
we're
able
to
look
at
it,
but
it
clears
out
after
five
o'clock,
I'm
usually
the
only
person
here
working
and
to
the
east.
We
face
the
train
tracks.
I
A
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
questions,
so
the
floor
plans
are
showing
a
portion
of
the
building.
Do
you
occupy
the
whole
building
or
the
other
tenants.
I
I
do
occupy
the
whole
building,
so
I
purchased
the
building
and
I
also
have
my
office
and
work
room.
I
have
a
full
workshop
where
we
make
everything
here
right
on
site,
there's
a
space
at
the
let's
think
south
end
of
the
building.
That
is
for
rent
right
now,
and
so
I
would
have
a
tenant
my
own
tenant
in
that
space,
we're
looking
for
an
office,
someone
in
an
office
type
of
office
work.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
numbers
I
I
know,
you've
capped
it.
50
participants
is
that
based
on
covid,
or
is
that
based
on
the
the
space
and
what
you
think
would
be
appropriate
even
after
coping.
I
It's
based
on
code,
but
it
it
would
be
even
after
code
with
the
the
space
doesn't
lend
itself
to
more
than
that,
and
we
did.
You
know
we
work
with
an
architect
and
also
event
professionals
who
are
accustomed
to
doing
these
events
day
in
and
day
out
for
years,
and
so
that
what
we
show
is
really
the
maximum
that
it
would
hold.
I
D
So
you,
you
stated
that
there's
I
mean
you're
only
showing
partial
floor
plan
here.
Is
there
another
restroom
available
for
for
patrons
here
or
is
it.
I
D
But
the
guests
would
have
access
to
that
second
restroom.
The
reason.
The
reason
that
I
ask
is
that
there
is
there
is
a
change
of
occupancy
and
the
plumbing
code
and
the
the
building
code
actually
conflict
a
little
bit
here
where
the
meeting,
the
true
intent
of
the
plumbing
code
would
require
the
two
restrooms.
I
D
D
B
So
I
had
just
a
brief
concern
about
parking.
You
don't
have
parking
on
site.
Are
you
just
assuming
then
street
parking
for
the
participants.
I
So
yep,
so
we
have
two
parking
spaces
on
site
and,
let's
see
if
the
yeah,
we
have
two
parking
spaces
on
the
south
side,
and
then
we
are
thinking
street
parking
and
or
valet
depending
on
the
number
of
people.
If
what
we're
thinking
is
if
the
maximum
number
of
people
is
30
and
most
of
these
are
smaller
family
events,
the
number
of
cars
that
would
be
utilizing,
the
space
would
be-
let's
say,
10
cars
and
at
the
time
of
day
that
we
were
talking
about
doing
it.
All
spaces
are
available.
I
So
the
space
it's
zone,
2851
is
right
in
front
of
me.
There's
ten
spaces
they're
empty
after
five
o'clock,
as
is
zone
2852,
which
runs
on
the
west
side
of
the
l
tracks
along
sherman
avenue.
So
there's
more
than
enough
space
plus
sherman
avenue,
there's
a
few
more
cars
that
end
up
parking
south
of
greenwood
on
sherman,
but
there's
plenty
of
space
for
parking.
B
So
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
if
you're
talking
about
20,
25
people
and
they're,
not
all
individually
driving
that
this
parking
thing
is
probably
manageable
for
the
neighborhood
to
absorb,
but
if
you're
talking
about
40
people
or
50
people,
that
would
just
simply
be
really
intrusive
to
everybody.
So
I
again,
I
think
it's
important
that
you
focus
on
the
smaller
ben
you
venue
use,
which
I
think
you
are
doing.
B
I
The
company
that
has
been
recommended
to
me
by
all
my
colleagues
in
the
industry
is
vip
valet,
and
so
they
will
be
part
of
the
team
that
would
be
on
our
preferred
vendor
list.
Most
of
the
kinds
of
clients
that
I
already
work
with
and
have
would
want
valet
anyway,
even
if
it
was
a
smaller
event
to
cr
for
the
graciousness
of
it,
and
it's
usually
complementary
valet
by
my
clients,
and
so
I
would
absolutely
be
happy
to
do
that.
B
And
then
you
mentioned
amplified
music.
I
Well,
the
courtyard
or
if
it
was
inside
there
might
be
a
piano.
You
know
like
a
keyboard
or
a
violin,
or
something
like
that.
I
put
it
in
there
because
I
felt
it
was
responsible
to
do
so.
We
don't
think
there
will
be
a
lot
of
that,
given
what
it
is,
but
it
would
be
yes,
courtyard
and
interior
on
a
limited
basis,
as
these
people
that
have
their
events
here
might
desire
to
have
it.
B
D
A
It's
good
question:
I
can't
recall
offhand
the
the
package
page
proposal
palm
house
proposal
on
howard
street.
B
I
Think
so
I
I
don't
anticipate
anything
going
beyond
midnight.
I
just
it's
not
that
kind
of
a
place.
Everyone
asks
a
question
of
many
people,
so
you
know
I
have
to
rely
on
what
you're
saying
in
terms
of
what
others
have
done
or
or
how
it
works.
Best
does
space
have
such
a
thing
that
you
know
how
they're
doing
outdoor
now.
I
wonder.
A
B
I
I
realized
that
some
of
this
just
seems
radical,
but
we've
actually
had
not
that
they've
all
developed,
but
we've
had
a
number
of
applications
in
the
last
few
years
for
banquet
hall
spaces
and
because
of
the
character
of
evanston
and
the
way
that
residential
and
commercial
and
industrial
reporters
are
all
intermixed
with
each
other,
it
all
sort
of
becomes
like.
Yes,
you
are
not
directly
next
to
a
household,
there's
a
house
less
than
100
feet
from
you.
You
know
it's.
B
It's
you're,
embedding
this
in
an
area,
that's
commercial
but
is
really
really
close
to
surrounding
residential,
and
your
business
model
doesn't
seem
as
if
you're
going
to
have
like
a
huge
issue
with
parking
or
a
huge
issue
with
amplified
music,
but
it
just
seems
prudent
to
make
sure
that,
should
there
be
a
problem
that
develops
that
we
can
fall
back
to
here
are
the
restrictions
that
were
agreed
to,
and
they
also
protect
you
so
that
if
it's
saturday
night-
and
you
have
a
not
incredibly
loud
but
audible
outdoor
music
playing
at
you,
know,
10
p.m
and
you're
setting
it
at
11
p.m.
B
B
B
I
I
understand
my
only
my
worry
is:
will
I
not
compare
well
to
compet
competition
when
I
start
to
try
to
rent
the
venue,
if
I
tell
people
that
so
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
and
if
you
know
if
I,
but
it
will
be,
have
to
be
in
the
contract
that
they
can't
have
music
to
be
on
11,
let's
say
so
is
11
30.,
you
know
to
me.
I
Midnight
seems
like
a
hard
stop,
no
matter
what,
but
I
I
want
to
abide
by
whatever
you
think
is
right
for
the
least
amount
of
conflict
and
so
on.
So
I
would
be
more
comfortable
with
the
midnight
because
of
that,
but
I
I'm
not
really
pressing
hard.
I
just
think
it
would
be
more
comfortable.
I'd
want
to
ask
some
people
if
it
would
put
me
in
a
bad
position.
E
B
So
yeah,
I
agree
with
kate.
I
think
it's
a
or
you
know
if
you
just
find
that
even
that
you're
getting
a
lot
of
pushback
and
it's
you
feel
like
it's
a
negative
impact.
Then
we
can
certainly
reopen
it
and
discuss
it.
It's
residents
come
in
all
level
of
tolerances
and
these
limits
protect
business
owners
as
much
as
they
protect
residents.
I
B
B
And
historically,
I
think
we
didn't
have
as
many
of
these
restrictions.
It's
true.
It's
something
that
we've
been
doing
more
in
the
last
few
years,
because,
as
certain
types
of
businesses
have
expanded
in
evanston,
they
are
butting
up
more
against
residential
properties
and
we're
starting
to
have
more
complaints
for
different
types
of
things.
B
A
I
would
agree
with
the
ordinance
for
palm
house
and
the
hours
operation
were
until
11
p.m,
on
on
weekdays
and
then
midnight
on
friday
or
saturdays.
Now
that
was
for
indoor
operations.
We
did
have
a
stipulation
ordinance
for
parking
lot.
Events
that
that
a
parking
lot
event
must
receive
approval
from
dapper.
So
I
don't
believe,
we've
seen
any
of
those,
I
think
it's
still
under
renovation
and
construction
at
this
point,
so
I
don't
believe
it's
operational
at
this
time,
but
that
was
the
precedent,
at
least
on
on
that
project.
B
That
was
for
interior
amplified,
music
yeah.
I
think
they
were
picturing.
A
larger
events
louder,
probably
more
loud
events.
They
were
picturing
rehearsal
dinners.
They
were
picturing
wedding
receptions,
you
know
type
of
thing
yeah,
so
I
think
interior
seems
reasonable
to
go
to
midnight
and
one
and
then
exterior,
cut
off
at
I'm
sorry,
11
pm
interior
on
monday,
through
friday
and
midnight
monday
through
thursday,
midnight
friday
saturday
and
then
exterior
to
be
an
hour
earlier.
I
A
Yeah
then,
I
just
suggest
before
the
zba
meeting,
that
you
maybe
think
through
a
little
bit
more
the
how
valet
operations
would
work
and
if
there
would
be
locations
for
the
valet
to
park
off-site,
I
might
want
to
look
at
the
availability
or
of
parking
lots
for
other
uses
around
there.
There.
You
know
a
couple
churches
nearby.
The
city
has
a
couple
lots,
although
I
don't
know
what
what
occupancy
is
like
in
the
evening
hours.
B
Okay
and
so
the
last
few
banquo
halls,
we've
had
a
condition
placed
that
in
12
months.
If
there
is
a
problem,
we
would
revisit
parking
plan
which
I'd
like
to
add
to
this
again,
so
that
if
people
do
complain,
we
can
say
hey
in
12.
You
know
in
12
months.
If
this
seems
consistently
a
problem,
then
we
can
revisit
it
and
at
that
time
the
goal
would
be.
Let's
say:
you're.
B
You
have
so
many
large
events
where
parking
is
not
available,
not
just
in
the
times
you're
talking
about,
but
they're
happening
when
there's
conflicts
and
during
business
hours,
etc.
Then
we
do
do
revisit
it.
It
would
just
be
to
strengthen
the
whole
valet
operation
requirements,
not
that
we
would
try
to
shut
you
down,
but
that
we
would
try
to
work
with
you
to
minimize
the
impact
to
the
community.
B
I
B
I
B
Is
there
a
motion?
Okay,
I'll
I'll,
take
a
shot
at
this
I'll,
because
most
the
conditions
were
mine.
I
will
make
a
motion
for
a
positive
recommendation
to
zva
with
the
following
conditions.
B
We
have
time
restrictions
on
amplified
music,
as
we
previously
stated
that,
in
the
event
that
there
are
issues
that
occur
over
the
next
12
months
with
parking
that
the
parking
plan
would
be
revisited
in
12
months
from
the
date
of
approval.
A
A
That
was
the
the
palm
house
example.
It
was
overall
operations
until
11
p.m,
weekdays
and
midnight
on
weekends,.
D
I
just
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
concern
with
the
interior
operations
hearing.
It's
just
the
exterior
noise
that
we're.
That
is
the
concern
here.
So
I
think
that
the
palm
hall's
example
is
a
little
bit
different
just
because
of
the
occupancy
count.
So
I
I
would
be
comfortable
just
restricting
the
amplified
music
outdoors.
A
Okay,
that's
the
motion,
any
other.
I
A
Okay,
yeah
and
again,
this
is
the
recommendation
from
our
committee
to
zoning
board.
The
zoning
board
review
it
and
make
a
recommendation
city
council
with
proposed
conditions
and
then
the
final
ordinance,
the
city
council's
ability
to
approve
or
deny
or
add
or
modify
conditions.
B
C
One
question:
what
hour
did
we
settle
on
for
outdoor
activity,
outdoor
music?
Was
it
11
p.m?
Monday,.
B
A
H
C
C
E
G
A
Okay
motion
passes.
This
will
move
forward
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
All
right,
I
specified
earlier
item
number
three
12
35,
dodge
munchies
will
be
saved
for
a
future
date.
A
That
sounds
good.
A
second
is
that
controversial,
so
I'll
save
the
roll
call.
A
And
I
don't
there's
nothing
else
on
the
agenda.
So
if
there's
a
motion
to
adjourn.
C
We
stop
the
minutes.
Oh.
A
Yeah
escape
over
the
minutes.
All
right
thanks
mike,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
september
23rd.
C
C
H
H
E
A
All
right
minutes
have
been
approved
unless
there's
anything
else.
I
skipped
on
the
agenda.
You
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.