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Don't
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tristan
hi.
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Okay,
hank.
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Sterling,
yes,
eckersburg.
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A
All
right
great
next,
we'll
do
the
meeting
minutes
of
november
17th.
It's
promotion
to
approve.
E
A
All
right
is
there
a
second
to
that.
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E
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A
You
all
right,
first,
item
of
business
of
new
business,
1560
sherman
avenue
signed
variation,
gyh
architects
applicants,
if
submits
for
a
sign
variation
to
install
an
internally
illuminated
sign
at
a
height
of
28
feet,
one
half
inch
where
15
feet.
Six
inches
is
allowed
sign,
regulation,
section,
4-10,
9,
dot,
h
and
an
internally
illuminated
banner
with
static
and
moving
graphics.
The
graphic
header
is
considered
a
commercial
variable
message
sign,
which
is
only
allowed
to
display
time
and
temperature
sign
regulation,
section
4-10-10
d,
the
rotary
building
in
the
d3
downtown
core
district.
A
Welcome,
why
don't
you
we
have
the
packet
that
was
that
staff
reviewed
up.
So
why
don't
you
if
you
wouldn't
mind
speaking
to
that
we'll
scroll,
you
can
ask
us
to
pull
through
and
we
can
go
that
way.
A
G
G
Okay,
can
you
see
that
so?
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
time
on
the
schedule
today.
G
The
the
thing
I
wanted
to
start
with
is
as
background
speaking
a
little
bit
about
what
is
rotary
and
then
leading
that
to
why
we've
come
to
this
committee
with
requests
for
signage
variants
in
order
to
help
better
tell
rotary's
story
here
in
evanston.
G
So
if
you
ask
the
average
person
what
is
rotary,
you
will
get
different
answers
depending
on
their
experience
or
their
exposure
to
rotary.
To
many
here
in
evanston
rotary
is
one
of
the
top
10
employers.
We've
got
on
average
650,
full-time
and
contingent
workers
here
at
one
rotary
center.
G
At
any
time,
we're,
I
believe,
still
the
number
one
property
taxpayer
in
evanston
rotary's
been
headquartered
in
evanston
since
1954,
the
building
that
is
currently
northwestern
university's
headquarters
was
constructed
by
rotary
and
then
in
1987,
after
having
overgrown
that
property
rotary
bought
1560
sherman
avenue,
where
it's
one
of
the
leading
commercial
office
buildings
in
downtown
evanston
and
many
people,
know
rotary
as
a
collaboration
space
for
the
community.
Evanston
community
foundation
is
one
of
the
tenants
here.
There
are
many
community
meetings
held
either
in
the
meeting
rooms
or
in
the
auditorium
here.
G
Evanston
environmental
association
often
uses
us
for
their
wild
and
scenic
film
festival,
but
just
a
few
different
ways.
People
see
rotary,
but
rotary
international
and
the
rotary
foundation
are
two
very
long-standing
service
organizations
that
have
now
been
headquartered
here
for
over
65
years.
G
Those
individuals
belong
to
35
000,
local
clubs
in
221
countries
and
geographic
areas,
and
what,
although
clubs,
memberships
and
priorities
can
vary
widely,
they
all
share
the
interest
in
serving
others
and
being
people
of
action
who
share
ideas,
make
connections
and
create
meaningful
change
in
their
communities
and
in
the
world
and
when
we
say
they're,
creating
change
and
through
that
service.
G
That
is
provided
rotary
partnered
with
john
hopkins
university
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
try
and
put
a
value
on
all
that
service
and
what
johns
hopkins
came
up
with
was
annually
in
an
average
year
rotary
volunteers,
the
value
of
their
services,
nearly
a
billion
dollars.
Every
year,
850
million
dollars
and
47
million
hours
of
service.
G
Contributed
by
those
members
and
service
projects,
totaling
166.2
million
were
awarded
2021
to
20
2020
to
2021
in
2589
different
grants.
G
Some
people
will,
if
you
ask
them
what
is
rotary,
know
us
by
our
signature,
global
health
project
or
program
to
eradicate
polio.
Since
1988,
nearly
3
billion
children
have
been
immunized
against
polio
by
rotary
and
its
partners.
G
Rotaries
contributed
over
2.2
billion
dollars
to
global
eradication
of
polio,
and
it's
estimated
more
than
19
million
cases
of
paralysis
that
would
have
otherwise
been
brought
on
by
polio
have
been
averted
through
these
efforts
and
more
recently,
a
great
number
of
those
personnel
and
apparatus,
the
the
mechanisms
in
place
for
polio
eradication
were
shifted
to
help
with
covet
19
surveillance,
identification,
laboratory
facilities,
all
kinds
of
activities,
but
getting
back
to
the
rotarians,
the
rotary
members,
more
than
22
000
clubs
have
participated
in
covet
service
projects
and
far
more
at
this
point
than
22
million
have
been
awarded
specifically
for
covet
grant
service.
G
But
it's
not
just
global
health.
That
rotary
is
involved
in
all
of
those
850
million
dollars
and
47
million
hours
of
service
are
typically
channeled
through
one
of
seven
areas
of
focus
that
rotary
has
and
those
are
fighting
disease
like
polio
and
covid,
promoting
peace,
providing
clean
water
saving
mothers
and
children,
supporting
education
for
basic
literacy,
growing
local
economies
and
now
protecting
the
environment.
G
So
the
challenge
we
have
at
one
rotary
center
is,
although,
as
we
determined
in
again
in
2019
with
the
evanston
chamber
of
commerce-
and
this
survey
was
done
of
evanston
residents
and
business
participants,
there's
a
high
awareness
and
understanding
within
the
evanston
business
community
of
what
rotor
is
and
what
it
does.
G
And
most
recently
we've
been
hosting
the
mayor's
economic
recovery
task
force
meetings
here
at
the
building,
but
that
chamber
of
commerce
survey
indicated
what
we
intuitively
knew
that
there
was
a
high
awareness
of
rotary
again
all
over
the
board
in
terms
of
what
they
people
think
rotary
is
but
a
low
understanding
amongst
general
evanstonians
and
non-rotary
visitors
and
passers-by
as
to
what
is
happening
inside
this
building.
That
is
the
headquarters
of
this
large
service
organization.
G
And
so
in
an
effort
to
help
explain
what
rotary
is
over
10
years
ago,
we
put
up
exhibits
in
the
lobby
facing
sherman
and
grove
avenues
and,
while
they're
very
popular
with
visitors
from
the
rotary
universe,
who
already
know
a
lot
about
rotary
but
come
to
what
is
affectionately
referred
to
as
the
mother
ship.
G
Those
just
seeing
the
exhibits
through
the
windows
hasn't
had
the
one
of
the
intended
effects,
which
is
to
draw
the
public
in
invite
them
in
to
participate
and
learn
about
rotary,
learn
how
they
can
become
part
of
helping
solve
the
world's
problems
either
locally
or
globally,
and
part
of
that
is
due
to
the
physical
structure
of
the
building,
with
the
large
setback
and
the
canopy,
typically
from
the
street
and
even
from
the
sidewalk
level.
It's
hard
to
really
see.
G
So
what
we're
proposing
is
the
solution
to
this
challenge
is
using
the
facade
of
the
building
to
illustrate
what
rotary
is
and
what
it
does
and
invite
the
public
in
to
learn
how
anyone
and
everyone
can
participate
locally
or
globally
and
helping
solve
local
community
challenges
or
global
global
challenges.
There's
many
ways
people
can
participate.
G
They
don't
have
to
join
rotary
to
do
that,
but
we
invite
them
in
we're
in
the
hands,
we're
updating
these
exhibits
on
the
inside
of
the
lobby,
and
we
really
want
to
invite
more
people
in
to
participate
and
learn,
and
we
believe
it's
going
to
enhance
the
downtown
evanston
local
community,
with
added
visual
value
and
supporting
evanston
values
of
community
building
and
service
to
others.
Through
these
images.
G
And
what
we're
targeting
with
these
new
exhibits
on
the
inside
and
the
imagery
on
the
outside,
inviting
people
in
to
take
part
in
those
exhibits,
is
to
increase
our
visitors
to
the
mothership.
The
people
who
already
know
about
rotary,
which
are
currently
on
average,
about
three
thousand
visitors
a
year
which
add
up
to
three
to
five
thousand
hotel
nights
a
year
and
lots
of
local
retail
purchases.
G
But
far
more
than
that,
we
would
we're
hoping
that
it
helps
the
average
evanston
resident
or
employee
working
at
a
downtown
evanston
business
to
help
increase
their
understanding
of
global
challenges
and
how
what
how
rotary
works
to
solve
them
and
again,
adding
a
non-partisan,
secular,
non-commercial
message
of
volunteer
service
and
friendship,
as
well
as
providing
literally
public
art,
an
educational
opportunity
and
further
community
collaboration.
G
So
the
variances
we
had
identified
in
the
application
were
that,
on
the
main
building
the
particularly
the
east
facade,
the
combined
text,
signage
with
the
or
vertical
words
and
the
graphic
banner
across
the
top
of
the
lava
glass
is
slightly
larger
than
the
allowed
15
percent.
G
What
you
identified
in
your
summary
of
the
variance
requests,
the
led
banner
does
include
movement.
It's
just
images,
no
text,
not
the
temperature
and
time
there's
no
texture
audio
and
those
images
are
intended
to
be
played
back
at
no
greater
than
half
real
time,
so
a
super
slow
mo.
If
you
will-
and
if
I
could
I'd
like
to
just
show
what
that
looks
like.
G
G
I
need
to
stop
that
and
share
it
again.
There
we
go
okay.
This
is
an
animation
rendering
of
that
those
images
in
motion.
So,
if
you
watch
the
banner
at
the
top,
this
is
half
real
time.
So
if
it
say
it
was
a
minute
of
video
clip,
it
would
play
no
less
than
two
minutes
and
you'll
see
that
there's
these
graphic
color
bars
and
then
repeats
of
the
same
imagery.
It's
not
a
lot
of
different
images.
G
It's
just
constantly
looping
through
those
those
images,
and
we
would
intend
that
those
images
may
change
with
different
features
of
different
service
projects,
highlighting
different
parts
of
the
world
different
service
priorities,
but
never
would
the
the
movement
be
any
faster
than
this,
and
the
whole
intention
again
is
to
to
draw
attention
to
the
building
and
to
those
exhibits
and
to
rotary
but
not
create
a
distraction.
G
G
G
But
we
are
waiting
to
pursue
that
with
the
city
arts
council
until
we
get
the
decision
about
the
overall
project
from
this
committee.
G
And
the
last
one
again
highlighted
in
in
your
meeting
materials
is
the
rotary
light
box.
This
signage
is
again
on
the
annex.
G
G
So
it's
not
lit
all
night
long
but
lit
into
the
evening
when
there's
a
lot
of
nighttime
traffic,
hopefully
soon
when
people
return
to
somewhat
normal
in
downtown
evanston,
but
that
that
is
a
good
10
feet
of
or
more
above
the
allowed
15
and
a
half
feet,
and
the
reason
that
we're
asking
for
that
is
15
feet
or
below
it's
not
going
to
be
very
visible
at
all
from
the
street
and
particularly
with
the
sunken
garden
nature
of
the
space
there,
as
well
as
there's
trees
and
bushes,
that
if
it's
at
15
feet
or
below
most
of
it,
a
good
portion
of
it
won't
be
visible.
A
Where
was
that
measure?
Where
was
the
measurement
of
that
taken?
Was
it
from
the
sunk,
the
ground
floor
of
the
sunken
sunken
patio
or
from
grade.
G
And
that
that's
the
end
of
the
the
background
and
then
really
we
really
wanted
to
give
a
sense
of
you
know,
there's
a
lot
to
say
about
rotary.
We
can't
say
it
all
and
certainly
not
in
words,
to
draw
people
in.
So
you
know
the
old
saying
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words
we're
trying
to
use
as
much
imagery
as
possible
to
draw
attention
and
invite
people
in
so
with
that
I've
got
some
of
our
technical
experts.
As
you
mentioned,
dana
gilberti
is
here
from
our
architecture.
G
A
All
right
so
I'll
ask
a
question
angel.
I
know
you
and
gary
reviewed
this.
Did
you
all
think
about
the
illuminated
banner
sign,
as
potentially
as
art
as
public
art
at
all?
Was
that
discussed.
I
As
the
the
moving
side,
no
the
cvms,
no,
we
did
not.
We
only
considered
the
mural
as
like
the
the
large
picture,
as
the
mural.
A
So
in
watching
the
presentation,
I
think
my
suggestion
and
recommendation
would
be
that
these
both
be
considered
art
that
you
work
because
you're
trying
to
create-
and
maybe
somebody
can
disagree
with
me
here
but
think
about
these
as
one
package
of
of
something
that's
a
mural
unless,
as
a
as
a
sign.
F
Can
can
I
ask
it
so
if
that,
if
that's
what
I
guess
I
was
confused
on,
what
are
we?
What
are
we
looking
at?
Is
it?
Is
it
that
I
know
I
would
disagree?
I
don't
think
that's
a
mural,
that's
an
advertisement.
This
is,
I
don't
see
that
as
art,
but
are
we
currently
being
asked
to
look
at
that
that
annex
that
huge
amount
of
what
I
would
call
advertising
on
that
glazing?
Is
that
something
we're
reviewing
now
or
are
we
saying
that
that's
just
well.
A
There's
two
things
that
we're
being
asked
to
do:
there's
one
is
the
installation,
the
internally
installed
illuminated
sign
and
the
height
the
high
rotary
sign.
So
that's
the
first
thing
and
then
my
understanding
is
that
the
the
wall
of
windows
on
the
annex
is
is
not
part
of
that
is
going
to
arts
council
right
angel.
I
A
F
I
There's
two,
I
think,
there's
two
things
that
you're
talking
about
so
there's
a
cvms
there's
a
digital
moving
sign
that
goes
across
the
top
of
the
the
glass
and
then
there's
some
signage.
Some
some
writing
in
that.
That's
actually
on
the
glass
that
that
was
already
reviewed
and
approved,
because
that's
a
different.
It's
a
different
sign
that
they're
allowed
to
have
that
so
you're.
Only
looking
at
the
illuminated
rotary
sign,
that's
above
that's
higher
than
what
it's
supposed
to
be
and
the
cvms
the
mobile
signage
you're.
F
G
It's
an
applied
graphic
and
for
all
of
that
all
of
the
images
and
then
the
rotary
piece
is
a
light
up.
Sign.
Okay,.
J
Right
and
I
I'm
the
environmental
designer,
it's
important
to
note
that
that
sign
is
internal.
It's
behind
the
windows.
It
is
not
an
external
sign,
so
it's
it's
a
light
box
and
then
the
graphics
that
are
they're
intended
to
work
together.
So
the
graphics
that
are
applied
to
the
window.
Are
your
standard
building
vehicle
wrap?
That's
you
know
like
30
50
open.
J
So
during
the
day
time
you
see
the
images,
but
people
can
still
see
out
the
building,
of
course,
and
then
at
night
time,
when
it's
dark
enough,
then
the
the
light
boxes
of
the
sign
would
line
up
and
you
would
see
those
while
the
images
are
dark
that
that's
the
intended
effect
at
the
sunken
garden
and
then
and
then
the
led
motion,
signage,
which
also
is
has
graphics.
It's
not
all
led.
That's
in
the
lobby,
under
the
overhang
in
the
18-story
building.
F
F
And
then
can
you
explain
that
light
box?
So
that's
those
aren't
raised.
That's
you
said
that's
inter
interior
internal.
Can
you
explain
that
correct.
J
J
So
then,
when
so
during
the
day,
because
of
the
graphic
on
the
window,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
them
and
they're
they
would
be
off
and
then
at
a
certain
point
around
dusk,
they
would
turn
on
and
you
would
start
to
be
able
to
see
them
through
the
graphic
and
then
they
would
turn.
As
mark
said,
they
would
turn
off
at
a
certain
point
at
night
as
well.
F
Okay,
that's
yeah,
that's
helpful,
and
then
maybe
you
explained
it.
Maybe
you
didn't
the
moving
graphics
on
the
on
the
curtain
wall.
You
said
it
was,
I
think,
half
speed
is
is
how
you
explained
it.
Can
you
adjust
that
is
that
set?
Can
it
be
slower?
H
H
Sometimes
we
can
get
away
with
even
more,
and
sometimes
it's
a
big
advantage
to
do
that,
because
if
you
know
you
can
make
an
eight-second
shot
32
seconds,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
slow
it
down
to
to
but
to
25
percent
rather
than
100
of
its
speed,
so
part
of
the
look
that
we
would
be
going
for,
is
this
very
smooth,
silky,
almost
like
photographs
that
are
activated
with
a
little
bit
of
motion?
But
not
you
know
that
doesn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
camera
movement.
F
G
Typically,
it's
dimly
lit
you
know
during
the
day
and
while,
while
there's
activity
in
the
building,
it's
all
brightly
lit.
It's
been
updated
over
the
past
summer,
but
at
night
there
it's
basically
just
a
few
of
the
light
bars
are
on,
and
it's
mostly
for
safety
and
whatever
code
requires
at
that
point,
so
it's
partially
lit
in
the
evening,
but
it
wouldn't
be
intended
to
be
bright.
You
know,
like
hey
the
display,
you
know,
come
look
at
the
displays
at
night.
G
It's
that's
really
intended
for
safety
in
the
evening
and
you
know
to
not
make
it
stand
out
too
much.
A
So
I've
been
in
the
space
and
it
feels
very
much
like
a
I
mean
I
think,
you're
trying
to
create
a
museum
gallery
type
space
is
my
you
know
in
the
year
and
I've
seen
how
this
space
has
changed
over
the
years,
and
so
I
think
you
know
if
this
is.
If
this
is
truly
going
to
be
depicting
images
from
like
photo
journalistic
quality,
you
know
art
photography,
type
images.
I
think
you
know
I
can
support
this
as
an
art.
Installation
of
you
know
some
exhibit
quality.
A
I
think
we
can.
We
can
be
flexible
on
that,
but
I
would
want
to
understand.
Are
you?
Are
these
images
going
to
be
switched
out
regularly
or.
G
G
A
H
H
A
So
one
recommendation
that
I
would
attach
to
this
would
be
to
visit
with
bird
friendly
evanston.
If
you
have
not
already
done
so
they're
a
group
that
do
a
number
of
things,
but
one
is
they
often
work
with
developers
or
people
doing
things
that
create
light
that
could
potentially
create
light
pollution
that
could
result
in
bird
strikes
or
redirecting
birds
migrating
birds.
We
are
pretty
conscientious
of
creating
more
light
pollution.
A
So
this
the
light
of
the
rotary
sign,
does
give
me
some
concern
that
it
is
going
to
add
to
that
overall
increase
in
light
in
our
downtown
which
we're
trying
to
decrease.
G
L
L
I
Just
to
piggyback
on
your
comment,
johanna
about
the
the
the
lights
at
night
and
stuff
we've
set
requirements
for
other
buildings
to
have
lights
turned
off
at
I
think
11..
Didn't
we
do
the
festoon
lights
at
11
o'clock.
I
I
think
it
would
be
important
if,
if
this
goes
through
to
make
sure
that
they're,
following
kind
of
the
same
the
same
limit,
so
it's
the
same
for
everybody
and
we've
also
asked
for
dimmer
controls
on
these
lights
lighted
signs
so
that
if
there's
a
complaint
that
come
in
comes
in
you
know,
obviously
you
could
still
have
your
silent,
but
that
you
might
have
to
turn
it
down
so
that
it's
not
as
bright.
G
I
The
only
other
thing
I
have
is
for
I
know
you
had
talked
about
the
cvms,
the
the
movable
sign
being
made
in
our
installation.
To
my
knowledge,
we
haven't
approved
any
movable
signs,
so
this
would
be
citing
a
precedent,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
as
we
move
forward.
A
C
A
And
they're
not
you're,
not
conveying
something
to
sell
something
versus
a
store
that
would
put
a
vehicle
and
driving
on
a
screen
which
we've
been
asked
for,
or
food
being
displayed
to
try
to
sell
entice
you
to
come
in
and
buy
food.
I
I'm,
I
mean
sort
of
encourage
people
to
support
an
organization.
That's
trying
to
eradicate
a
horrible
disease.
I
mean
that's.
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
classify
that
as
marketing.
I
think
that's
that's
it.
This
is
informational
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
showcase.
It's
to
get
into
gallery.
L
It
really
is
sort
of
like
the
chase
bank
displays
that
we
can
see
from
the
public.
You
know,
or
it's
kind
of
lifestyle
things.
Of
course
that's
advertising,
but
it
did
remind
me
that
of
those
kind
of
images.
F
J
I
was
going
to
say
that
this
the
size
really
came
about
from
a
couple
of
different
things.
One
was
obviously
viewing
distances.
The
awning
sign
is
pretty
hard
to
read
from
a
distance
and
then
looking
at
it
from
knowing
that
we
wanted
to
keep
it
inside
and
not
on
on
the
face
and
not
external.
J
We
had
to
really
look
at
how
it
would
work
with
the
vertical
and
horizontal.
You
know
millions
of
the
curtain
wall
and
from
a
bunch
of
different
design
studies.
We
did
having
one
letter
per
column
spanning
two
rows
worked
out
the
best.
So
then
there's
only
one
horizontal
seam
in
each
letter
and
that
seemed
to
be
the
most
illegible
when
we
went
a
lot
smaller
than
that
it
just
it
sort
of
started
getting
a
little
a
little
wonky
in
terms
of
you
know
the
spacing
between
the
characters
and
things
of
that
nature.
G
F
G
Business
community
understood
that
it
was
the
headquarters
of
rotary
international
and
had
a
good
understanding
of
what
rotary
did
the
general
public
was
aware
of
rotary
and
that
somehow
the
building
had
something
to
do
with
it.
They
didn't
necessarily
understand
that
it
was
headquarters
a
lot
of
times.
Just
anecdotally,
you
will
hear
people
say:
oh
yeah,
the
rotary
club
building
well,
coincidentally,
two
of
the
three
evanston
rotary
clubs
happened
to
meet
in
this
building,
but
the
international.
I
I
I
would
second,
as
long
as
we
add
the
the
dimmer
control
and
the
timing.
F
A
All
right,
we'll
just
ask
for
an
amendment:
okay,
it's
removed
and
seconded
michael.
Please
call
the
roll.
I
C
I
C
Can,
oh
I'm
sorry,
callahan
hi
biggs.
B
B
D
A
All
right
next
up,
2356
colfax
terrace,
sarah
and
patrick
hillman
property
owners
submit
for
concept
review
of
major
zoning
relief
for
additional
single-family
residents
that
include
the
front
yard,
setback,
rear
yard
setback,
north
interior
side
yard
setback,
accessory
structure,
yard,
location
and
height,
and
may
include
zoning
relief
for
building
lot
coverage,
impervious
surface
slot
coverage
and
other
plant
elements.
After
a
final
review
of
the
most
recent
plant
smell
okay,
so
this
is
a
a
site
that
fronts
a
private
street.
A
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
if
the
application
is
a
concept
review.
So
there's
no
motion,
that's
gonna,
be
taken.
This
will
just
be
a
feedback
for
the
the
designers
and
homeowners,
and
if,
if
somebody
from
that
team
could
walk
us
through
what
the
proposal
is,
then
we
could
provide
some
staff
comments
back
on
everything
and
then
remind
me
plenty
of
zoning
staff
who
has
been
handling
this
particular
matter.
As
of
late.
A
Okay,
so
then,
maybe
you
could,
just
after
the
homeowner
designer
architect
has
gone
through,
you
could
just
give
us
a
quick
review
of
your
zoning
analysis
results
all
right,
so
sarah
or
patrick
or
somebody
else
want
to
walk
us
through
what
the
proposal
is.
N
Yeah,
I
I
guess
we'll
start
really
quick
and
then
we'll
hand
it
off
to
our
architect
who's,
also
our
cousin,
so
nice
to
meet
everybody,
I'm
patrick
and
cecilia
hi,
my
wife
and
I
bought
our
first
home
in
evanston.
Maybe
five
months
ago
it
was
a
a
home
that
had
not
been
lived
in
for
about
12
years.
It
was
built
back
in
the
1950s
early
1960s
and
it's
on
what
we
would
call
a
pretty
peculiar
site.
N
N
That
dramatically
goes
into
our
property
line
and
opening
up
all
of
the
homes
in
our
little
street
there
to
that
alley,
to
the
garbage
cans
and
to
a
large
street
light,
that's
out
there,
and
so
we
saw
the
property.
You
know
I
grew
up
in
in
rogers
park.
My
wife
didn't
grow
up
too
far
away.
N
You
know,
moving
to
the
neighborhood
has
kind
of
been
like
a
dream
of
ours
for
a
long
time,
and
we
thought
that
this
was
a
really
kind
of
cool
area
and
we
thought
there
was
a
lot
of
promise.
N
And
so
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
honestly
pretty
simple,
my
wife
and
I
are
expecting
our
next
child
and
so
we're
looking
to
build
on
top
of
the
existing
sort
of
general
footprint
of
the
home
to
do
a
large
edition,
while
maintaining
the
current
design
and
lines
with
all
of
our
neighbors,
because
it's
a
very
weird
little
part
of
evanston,
both
our
neighbors
to
the
north
and
also
all
the
way
down
to
the
south,
have
all
had
variations
approved
so
that
they
can
feasibly
have
a
home
and
and
still
have
some
room.
N
N
That's
gonna,
first,
really
sort
of
keep
the
openness
of
the
area
and
allow
our
neighbors
to
the
south
to
continue
to
have
a
lot
of
natural
light
and
and
to
be
open
and
sort
of
welcoming,
while
also
allowing
us
to
have
three
bedrooms
so
that
our
kids
can
have
two
separate
rooms
and
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
honestly
block
off
a
lot
of
that
light.
N
That
goes
in
the
neighborhood
and
a
lot
of
the
open
views
that
our
neighbors
have
into
the
alleyway
right
now,
and
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
throw
over
to
joe
who
can
kind
of
talk
through
what
we're
kind
of
asking
for
praying
for
and
I'll.
Let
him
kind
of
answer
those
questions,
but
sorry
go
ahead.
Joe.
K
So
would
it
be
okay
if
I
share
a
screen
of
the
same
materials.
K
So,
regarding
the
peculiarity,
I
just
thought
it
might
be
interesting
to
start
with
many
years
ago.
Our
firm
did
a
addition
to
a
home
that
bordered
an
alley
to
the
north
and
a
public
street
to
the
west,
and
we
did
a
small
addition.
We
expanded
we
added
a
second
floor,
just
like
patrick's
home
is
intending
to
do,
and
we
did
a
little
screen
and
porch
to
hide
some
of
the
alley
and,
of
course,
because
this
was
a
normal
lot,
even
though
it
had
a
long
alley
and
so
forth.
K
We
did
not
need
any
variants
whatsoever
and
again
relative
to
the
last
project.
This
seems
quite
minor.
Here's
the
a
picture
of
the
garbage
cans
that
patrick
mentioned.
Here's
a
picture
of
a
really
nice,
trellis
and
kind
of
courtyard
patio
that
the
neighbors
to
the
south
have
their.
They
had
to
get
a
variance
to
put
this
beautiful
little
trellis
up
and
then.
Secondly,
if
we
go
to
the
north,
this
is
the
home
to
the
north
and
there
it's.
I
apologize
about
the
difficulty
here,
but
to
the
left
here
you
could
see.
K
Their
house
is
quite
close
to
the
setback
as
well,
which
in
their
case
is
considered
a
side
yard
setback.
So
so
one
of
the
things
when
we
began
to
look
at
this
project,
the
thing
that
was
most
odd
was
the
city's
documents
show
the
property
as
if
colfax
terrace
was
a
public
way,
and
so
it
has
the
curve
cut
out
of
the
corner,
and
so
that's
how
we
were
preparing
to
look
at
the
project
in
the
very
beginning.
K
However,
once
we
got
the
survey,
so
that
was
back
in
august
that
we
addressed
that
and
then
when
we
received
the
survey,
looks
like
at
the
end
of
september,
we
found
out
that
the
survey
included
the
cul-de-sac
and
the
owner
has
assured
patrick
that
there
are
no
encumbrances
to
that
to
that
roadway,
which
appears
to
be
public
from
if
you
walk
down
the
street.
But
actually,
according
to
this
survey,
is
privately
owned.
Property.
N
So
there's
we
also
had
our
attorney
go
and
confirm
that
on
the
paperwork
too,.
K
So
and
then
we
also
noted
that
there
is
this
six
foot
easement
along
poplar
avenue
so
with
the
house
being
set
back
6.6
feet.
So
that's
that's
why
we
think
this
is
peculiar.
I
don't
know
if
you
think
this
is
peculiar
but,
like
I
said,
I've
been
an
architect
for
many
years
and
I've
done
many
projects
with
and
without
variances,
and
this
seemed
peculiar
to
me
I'll
leave
it
at
that
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit
about
the
na
the
immediate
neighborhood
because
of
the
metro
tracks
here.
K
This
is
really
kind
of
a
cul-de-sac
within
a
cul-de-sac,
because
there's
no
kind
of
through
street
lincoln
street
doesn't
really
go
through
as
well.
So
we're
kind
of
in
this
weird
pocket,
so
there's
very,
very
little
traffic,
happily
patrick's
not
proposing
to
build
a
25
foot
tall
sign.
K
So
when
we,
when
we
first
looked
at
this,
just
like
your
map
shows
here,
you
know
we
went
in
and
when
you
drive
down
or
walk
down,
colfax
terrace.
You
have
this
very
expansive
view
of
the
alley,
which
is
pretty
difficult
for
the
front
yards
of
every
neighbor
on
the
street.
So
you
know
initially,
it
would
have
been
great
to
think
of
occupying
this.
This
corner
oops
this
corner
right
here,
but
we
knew
that
that
would
be.
K
I
mean
at
least
I
knew
that
zoning
wise
that
would
be
quite
difficult
to
occupy
that,
but
that
would
at
least
hide
the
alley.
So
we
did
that,
but
so
we
didn't
go
there,
but
we
did
try
to
extend
this
existing
building
down
this
way
to
block
some
of
the
alley,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
there's
a
viewpoint
on
your
documents.
K
That
is
there's
a
picture
taken
from
this
point
right
here,
looking
to
the
north
whoops
looking
to
the
north
west,
as
it
were,
that's
this
picture
here
so
this
you
could
see
the
exposed
alley
here.
You
could
see
these
two
primary
trees
that
were
very
nice
elm
trees
that
we're
trying
to
save-
and
this
is
the
neighbor's
house
right
here-
so
that's
the
kind
of
background
on
the
site.
K
So
when
we
come
to
this
page
that
you
saw
previously,
we
oops
whoa.
M
K
K
So
we
thought
it
would
be
minor
to
match
the
west
frontages
of
the
homes
and
garages
and
match
the
alley
frontages
of
homes,
adus
and
garages.
So
on
this
alley
there
are
a
number
of
homes.
There
are
a
number
of
garages
and
there's
adus,
so
the
alley
is
kind
of
a
mixed
community
environment.
If,
if
you
will
but
we're
not
asking
for
lot
coverage,
katie
told
us
early
on
that.
K
That's
not
looked
positively
upon,
so
we
we
didn't
bother
even
doing
that,
so
we're
not
interested
in
any
lot
coverage
or
impervious
surface
coverage.
K
Exceptions
we're
just
looking
to
build
a
home
that
basically
hides
the
alley
on
the
north
and
matches
some
of
the
similar
attributes
of
neighbors
on
the
west.
So
but
given
it's
odd,
that
colfax
terrace
is
on
the
southeast
corner
and
yet
we're
we're
in
this
weird
zone
because
it
has
to
do
with
how
the
the
code
determines
front
rear
side
yards.
K
The
side
yard
has
to
be
between
a
front
yard
and
a
rear
yard
which,
on
this
particular
property
is,
is
quite
awkward
because
the
this
this
cul-de-sac,
as
you
could
see,
I
mean
I
think
you
can
accurately
see
here.
There's
no,
it's
not
a
evanston
public
works,
curb
cut,
so
that's
another
indication
that
it's
a
privately
owned
thing,
but
you
could
see
that
this
is
not
really
a
it's
the
front
yard
for
the
addressing
it's
the
front
yard
on
the
cul-de-sac.
K
But
it's
the
backyard
because
it's
so
close
to
the
alley
so
we're
in
this
kind
of
fuzzy
zone
of
fronted
backyard.
But
so
we
looked
through
the
code
and
there's
rules
of
interpretation
to
be
permissive
may
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
we're
really
just
looking
for
is
a
variance
on
the
west
to
accommodate
this
floor
plan.
K
We
would
like
to
extend
the
garage
slightly
to
the
north
here
and
we
have
a
corner
of
the
house
that
matches
the
repetitive
nature
of
all
these
corners
of
the
homes.
So
we
have
a
corner
here
and
and
we'd
like
to
expand
the
garage
a
little
bit.
This
is
a
very
old
garage,
it's
quite
small,
so
we'd
like
to
expand
the
garage.
K
So
really
it's
this
this
and
this
and
then
we'd
like
to
in
to
reduce
the
setback
on
the
alley
to
mimic
the
character
of
the
neighboring
garages.
Some
of
them
are
practically
off
practically
over
the
property
line.
K
K
However,
in
our
meeting
last
week
I
think
it
was,
we
were
told
that
if
we
have
to
go
for
a
major
setback,
we
were
told
that
two
or
three
feet
it
really
doesn't
matter
if
the
setback
is
two
or
three
feet,
and
so
we
would
like
to
have
as
small
a
possible
setback
on
the
on.
Basically,
this
area
here
is
most
important
by
the
dining
room
den
area
and
then
at
the
bicycle
storage
area,
which
is
kind
of
used
to
hide
the
alley
from
the
rest
of
the
front
yards.
K
So,
basically,
that's
all
we're
asking
for
is
a
minimal
setback
to
match
the
garages
on
the
alley.
In
these
two
locations,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
continuous
wall,
which
would
be
much
more
of
a
significant
impact,
we're
just
doing
it
in
two
small
locations,
the
garage
setback
is
more
than
five
feet
and
basically
we're
just
mimicking
kind
of
the.
The
existing
building
is
shown
in
red,
we're,
mimicking
and
keeping
some
of
the
existing
building
and
we're
opening
up
a
yard
to
the
east.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
pretty
simple.
K
That's
what
we're
asking
for
and
given
the
the
kind
of
idea
that
the
front
of
the
house
is
here
off
here
and
the
rear
of
the
house
is
obviously
where
you
enter
the
garage
it
seemed
like
we
could
call
poplar
street
a
side
yard,
because
the
neighbor
to
the
north,
that
is
their
side
yard,
they
have
a
side
yard.
So
I
don't
we
don't
know
what
the
right
way
to
accomplish.
K
This
is
but
we've
gone
through
the
code
and
looked
at
it
in
many
ways,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
asking
for
and
we're
actually
looking
for
some
help
from
all
of
you
to
see
what
seems
reasonable.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
start
with
melissa
klotz
our
zoning
administrator.
Who
is
the
person
who.
A
Our
code
for
us
so
melissa,
why
don't
you
walk
through
how
staff
reviewed
this
and
and
determine
non-compliant.
O
Sure
so
to
just
to
preface
with
we
did
receive
these
current
revised
plans
last
week
and
we
have
not
done
a
full,
updated
zoning
analysis.
So
we
don't
necessarily
have
exact
numbers
on
everything,
but
as
a
starting
point
to
point
out
that
it
is
a
peculiar
lot,
it
is
a
through
lot.
It
has
two
street
frontages
per
the
zoning
ordinance.
O
We
consider
whole
facts
to
be
the
front
yard
and
poplar
to
be
the
rear
yard,
since
it
has
been
established
as
a
rear
yard
for
the
rest
of
the
block
on
that
side
of
the
street.
Given
that
that
means
that
the
both
the
existing
house
and
as
proposed
a
major
variation
is
triggered
for
the
rear
yard
setback
and
that
variation
is
appropriate.
There
really
isn't
any
way
around
that
the
requirement
for
a
rear
yard
setback
is
30
feet,
so
that
variation
is
appropriate
in
the
front
yard.
O
The
required
setback
is
the
block
average
on
that
side
of
the
street
and
taken
from
the
actual
property
line,
which
is
in
the
middle
of
the
cul-de-sac,
given
that
average
setback
it's
also
appropriate
for
a
variation
on
that
frontage
staff
suggests.
Following
that
15
foot
building
setback
line,
that's
shown
on
the
plat
of
survey.
O
That
is
not
the
city
required
setback
line,
but
that
is
what
the
rest
of
the
houses
on
that
side
of
the
street
are
at,
and
so
we
are
recommending
that,
as
proposed
the
bike
room
and
especially
the
the
overhang
on
the
the,
I
believe
on
the
second
story
of
the
bike-
room
that
hangs
substantially
closer
than
that
15
foot,
step
back
line,
which
is
noted
as
15
feet
from
the
public
sidewalk.
K
O
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
where
a
variance
is
appropriate,
but,
following
roughly
the
same
thing
that
the
neighborhood
has,
which
is
that
15
foot
line
trying
to
just
move
forward
quickly,
since
I
think
we're
running
out
of
time
the
north
interior
side
property
line
that
abuts
the
alley,
a
five
foot
setback
is
required.
There
staff
does
not
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
get
any
closer
to
that
alley.
Property
line,
it's
not
necessary.
O
The
lot
is
oversized
and
larger
in
width
than
than
typical.
I
believe
it's
a
60-foot
lot
width,
so
we
just
don't
feel
that
it's
necessary
to
get
any
closer
to
the
alley
and
in
doing
so
that
might
create
issues
for
plowing
or
alley
maintenance
in
the
future,
as
well
as
accessing
that
garage.
That
would
be
a
tight
turn
as
you
get
closer
and
closer
to
that.
K
Can
I
can
I
again
I
apologize.
It
sounds
like
it's
confrontational.
I
don't
mean
it
to
be,
but
the
garage
is
set
back
more
than
five
feet
because
of
the
turning
radius.
The
the
bicycle
room
is
the
bicycle
room.
It's
not
a
garage,
so
there's
no
turning
radius
there
and
there's
plenty
of
room
for
snow
and
so
forth.
Where
this
tree
is
located.
K
And
regarding
the
the
the
idea
that
this
is
a
large
lot
is
not
consistent
with
all
of
the
neighbors
to
the
north,
their
lots
are
much
much
larger.
Their
yards
are
much
much
larger,
so
we
actually
have
a
very
small
yard.
Our
yard
is
roughly
less
than
30
feet
wide
approximately
30
feet
wide.
Their
yards
are
50
feet
wide
and
much
much
deeper.
So
I
I
think
it's
not
fair
to
call
this
an
oversized
lot
when
it
is
actually
at
the
minimum
of
the
lot
size
for
this
zone.
O
O
The
minimum
lot
width
is
35
feet
and
I
believe
this
lot
is
60
feet
in
width
just
to
wrap
up
the
last
of
the
zoning
issues.
In
the
previous
plan
there
was
noted
that
there
was
a
chimney
in
the
front
yard.
O
It's
now
shown
as
a
fireplace,
so
we
will
need
some
clarification
on
that
and
if
you
could
clarify
the
height
and
the
wall
with
that,
from
a
zoning
perspective,
what
we
are
looking
at
is
an
accessory
structure
in
the
front
yard,
which
does
trigger
a
variation
and,
depending
on
what
you're
doing
it
might
be
appropriate
if
it
is
a
35
foot
tall
chimney,
as
was
previously
discussed
even
when
it's
connected
by
a
wall,
that's
not
considered
part
of
the
principal
structure
and
that's
not
an
appropriate
variation
in
that
respect.
O
Lot
coverage:
oh
just
hang
on
one
one.
Second,
I'll
wrap
up
the
building
coverage
and
impervious
again
being
that
it
is
a
compliant
lot.
You
should
comply
with
those.
The
official
numbers
are
the
city
numbers,
so
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
with
those
which
we
haven't
been
so
far,
but
we
will
get
there
and
then.
K
Okay,
so
again
to
comment
on
the
chimney.
The
chimney
is
for
the
fireplace-
and
we
saw
your
note
last
week
and
we
have
no
problem,
keeping
the
height
limit
to
20
feet
or
below.
So
we
can
those
kind
of
details.
We're
happy
we're
trying
to
comply
with
everything,
of
course,
so
yeah
we
have
no
problem,
reducing
the
height
of
that
chimney
to
20
feet
or
less
so
so
that's
that
answer
joe.
N
N
Doing
the
property
line
so
ally
to
property
line,
okay
and
on
the
on
the
variance
in
the
alley.
Like
you
know,
I
let
you
guys
talk
about
the
code,
but
you
know
for
us:
it's
just
pretty
easy.
It's
it's
just
it's
six
feet
of
space,
that's
just
being
used
for
weeds
right
now
and
there's
a
fence.
That's
there!
N
So
you'll
have
a
family
of
four
living
there
without
having
to
get
that
much
closer
to
our
neighbors
and
and
reduce
light
and
make
it
feel
that
we're
getting
closer
to
their
property
line
than
we
need
to.
It's
just
be
really
helpful
for
us
to
be
able
to
use
that
space
right
now.
That's
in
the
alley,
that's
completely
unusable
to
allow
for
a
higher
livability
condition
for
us
for
our
neighbors,
just
in
general,.
D
And
we
have
such
a
long
property
line
along
the
alley
so
long,
it's
it's
a
lot
of
alley,
and,
and
so
when
joe
says
it's
not
a
continuous
line,
a
huge
part
of
the
part
that
isn't
continuous
is
for
green
space,
specifically
for
just
for
having
that
to
look
at
so
we're
not
just
looking
at
ally
and
and
and
just
general.
You
know
to
be
kind
of
nice,
so
I
don't
know
just
thought
that
might
help.
A
So
we
about
we
have
about
five
minutes
left.
Do
our
colleagues
in
public
works
have
any
comments
on
the
on
the
site
on
the
concept
plan.
B
I
understand
your
concern
about
the
way
that
the
property's
been
laid
out
and
that
you
feel
it's
inappropriate
to
put
colfax
terrace
street
into
your
lot.
But
that
is
the
way
that
the
lot
is
laid
out
and
we
do
not
allow
variances
for
building
lot
coverage
or
impervious
surface
on
new
construction.
K
B
Okay,
so
personally
you
know
I'm
looking
at
page
47
of
the
packet
which.
K
B
Shows
the
tremendous
area
that
you
have
blocked
out
for
building
and
porch
and
pavement
and
everything
else,
and
I
realize
it's
an
oddly
shaped
lot,
but
it's
actually
a
pretty
large
lie
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
a
lot
of
talk
about
this
strong
desire
to
shield
the
alley
view
from
your
yard,
and
it
is
unfortunate
that
you
have
purchased
a
lot
where
the
length
of
the
alley
goes
along
the
entire
side
yard
of
the
building,
because
that
does
make
that
more
of
a
challenge.
B
But
you
are
encapsulating
a
lot
of
ground
here
and
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
with
that
setback
is
that
when
things
are
close
to
the
alley,
they
are
it's
not
just
the
visual
view.
There
are
moving
vehicles
in
the
alley
that
don't
always
stick
to
where
they're
supposed
to
be
in
the
alley,
for
a
variety
of
reasons
which
you
can
all
imagine
so
having
that
grace
area
where
your
dining
room
is
not
located
three
feet
from
the
edge
of
the
alley
benefits
you.
B
O
K
K
B
A
K
As
close
as
we
could
tell
they're
right
on
the
property
line,
so
this
kind
of
dovetails
nicely
with
the
previous
question
of.
Are
we
planning
to
take
down
any
mature
trees?
The
the
two
nicest
trees?
Are
these
two
elms
that
are
indicated
on
the
drawings?
K
There
is
a,
I
don't
know
a
house
to
call
it,
but
a
bastardized
tree
there's
a
tree.
That's
been
cut
at
about
15
feet
high
and
it's
falling
apart
and
that's
in
the
kind
of
center
of
the
lot
so
that
one
will
be
taken
down
the
tree.
That's
in
the
very
front
on
this
northwest
corner
that
tree
can
stay
it's
in
that
triangular
garden
to
the
west
of
the
garage.
K
K
M
K
I
can
also
say
that,
given
that
row
of
trees
on
the
south
property
line,
we
are
not
proposing
to
put
a
fence
on
that
property
line
instead
the
entire
project-
and
this
goes
back
to
the
narrowness
of
this
or
the
size
of
the
site,
whether
it's
large
or
small,
but
because
of
that
row
of
trees,
there's
no
fence
on
the
property
line.
We've
moved
everything,
five
foot
back,
so
we're
kind
of
to
speak
to
patrick's
point
we're
trying
to
give
more
air
space
to
the
neighbors
by
just
putting
the
house
the
wall,
the
chimney.
K
Everything
is
five
foot
in.
So
there's
nothing,
there's
nothing
on!
There's,
no
fence
whatsoever
on
that
property
line.
Just
that
row
of
trees.
D
A
Please,
mr
stevens,
we
only
have
a
couple
minutes,
so
please,
if
you
could
keep
your
comments,
quick
and
short.
That
would
be
great
because
I
want
to
make
sure
there's
not
another
staff
member
that
wants
to.
E
Give
I
am
the
neighbor
immediately
to
the
south,
and
I
am
delighted
with
the
prospect
of
this
house
being
restored
and
the
plans
look
wonderful
and
our
our
attitude
about
the
trees,
I
think,
is
consistent
with
what
has
been
expressed
and
we
look
forward
to
having
these
folks
as
neighbors
and
to
the
improvements
on
the
property
as
their
proposed.
F
I
would
like
you
know,
I
think,
it's
kind
of
unfortunate
that
we
ran
out
of
time,
because
I
I
really
I
would
have
liked
to
have
a
longer
discussion
about
this,
but
I
I
actually
think
that
much
of
what
he's
proposing
is
a
is
a
relatively
ingenious
design
solution
in
service
of
his
client.
I
I
really
especially
the
series
of
of
kind
of
outdoor
rooms
along
the
alley.
F
I
I
guess
you
know
I'd,
look
forward
to
having
a
longer
conversation
when
they
come
in
for
the
major
variation,
but
I
think
that
really
the
key
here
is
just
looking
at
when
you're
requesting
the
variation
just
demonstrating
what
what
the
need
is
and
what
the
hardship
is.
Obviously,
there's
a
hardship
related
to
the
lot,
the
characteristics
of
the
lot,
and
I
think,
with
some
small
tweaks
and
changes.
I
think
this
would
be
at
least
a
proposal
that
I
could
support.
A
Thank
you
and
kade.
Why
don't
you
put
your
your
information
in
the
share
with
the
applicant
and
actually,
I
think
I
turned
the
chat
off.
I
mentioned
the
chat
off.
If
I
think
your
comments
and
feedback
might
be
helpful
with
your
colleagues
and
their
work
on
this
project.
A
Okay,
any
other
comments.
Otherwise
we
have.
I
know
we
have
many
of
us
have
another
meeting.
We
have
to
get
to.