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C
Good
afternoon
everybody,
this
is
the
january
4th
meeting
of
the
design
and
project
review
committee.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
we're
going
to
call
the
meeting
to
order.
C
A
E
H
D
H
C
Okay
and
then
I
believe,
megan
jones,
just
joined
the
meeting
as
well.
Is
that
correct
megan?
Are
you
in
yes?
I
am
here.
Finally,
great
okay.
Welcome
all
right!
So
it's
my
understand.
I
see
a
lot
of
people
in
the
meeting
if
there
are
people
who
would
like
to
sign
up
for
public
comment
for
any
of
the
items,
if
you
could
send
a
message
in
the
chat
to
me,
that
would
be
great.
C
So
then
I
can
call
on
people
who
want
to
speak
to
various
items
and
indicate
which
item
you're
speaking
to
so
we'll
take
each
item
separately
for
public
comment.
If
that
is
the
case,
first
I'd
like
the
applicant
to
present
their
case
and
then
we'll
hear
any
public
comment.
So
first
item
under
new
business
is
1946.
Orrington
21zm
jv-0060,
richard
dooley
property
owner
requests,
a
special
use
permit
for
a
non-owner-occupied
rooming
house
in
the
r
for
a
general
residential
district
zoning
code,
section
6-8-6-3.
C
The
ladies
commission
makes
the
recommendation
to
the
city
council
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
So
mr
dooley,
are
you
on
the
call?
C
I
am
okay
great,
so
why
don't
usually
applicants
just
give
a
few
minutes
of
an
overview
of
their
of
their
proposal
and
their
request
and
then
we'll
take
any
public
comment
and,
and
then
staff
will
ask
some
questions
so
go
go
ahead.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
The
premise
is
a
10
room
house.
B
It's
historic,
I
think,
by
way
of
the
neighborhood
I've
owned
it
for
over
20
years,
I'm
pursuing
the
special
use
so
that
I
can
rent
the
property
out
in
in
a
conformity
with
evanston
law
evanston
without
the
rubin
house
license.
There's
a
restrictive
rental
which
is
is
is
called
the
no
non
greater
than
three
related,
not
greater
occupants,
if
not
related,
not
greater
than
three.
If
not
related
the
house
has
has
been
graphically
presented
and
I'm
seeing
on
the
screen.
B
Some
of
the
graphic
submission
the
house
is,
I
mentioned
ten
rooms,
it's
slightly
over
three
thousand
square
feet.
It's
quite
up
to
date.
It's
been
a
rental
for
twenty
years.
B
The
space
per
room
is
is
shown
in
the
graphic
design.
So
this
is
not
tight
living
conditions,
the
square
footage
per
room.
I
I
can
voice
to
you
if,
if,
if
there's
interest,
there
are
four
common
area
rooms,
a
kitchen,
a
sitting,
room,
a
dining
room
and
a
living
room,
the
property
has
a
two-car
garage
with
a
cement
pad
which
would
allow
a
third
car
to
be
parked.
B
Property
in
respect
to
conversations
I've
had
with
mario
tristan
on
fire
requirements,
all
of
those
can
be
met.
These
are
detailed
and
I've
talked
at
length
with
mario
and
they're.
Not,
I
don't
think
any
are
irregular.
They
would
be
standard
requirements
for
a
rooming
house.
B
B
Perhaps
some
of
you
already
know
of
it
or
have
seen
it,
but
in
in
the.
B
Application
it
asks
about
impact
and
I'm
going
to
address
of
item
b,
it
says:
well,
will
the
requested
special
use,
interfere
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood?
Will
it
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
the
neighborhood?
The
answer
to
that
is:
no.
There
are
currently
several
active
rooming
houses
on
the
block,
the
same
block.
B
It's
it's!
It's
not
a
new
new
item
at
all.
The
the
rooming
house
has
been
in
the
evanston
world
of
permits
for,
for,
I
suspect,
for
quite
a
while.
The
next
question
about
impact.
Will
it
have
any
impact
on
traffic
congestion
and
the
answer
would
be
no
it's
it's.
This
is
this,
isn't
a
hotel
or
or
any
type
of.
B
One
more
feature
of
the
the
world
of
impacts
of.
B
Well,
the
answer
is
yes,
of
course,
subject
to
the
final
approval
of
the
of
the
special
use
of
these
are
asides,
but
I've
spoken
to
claire
kelly,
our
alder
person
several
times
she's,
quite
a
heads
up
gayle,
and
I
have
a
feeling
that,
among
this
committee,
that
that,
from
time
to
time,
they've
talked
to
claire
kelly
and
I've
been
in
touch
with
my
most
proximate
neighbors.
B
B
I
do
think
I've
got
not
much
of
what
I
wanted
to
say
across
of
so
so
why
don't
I
just
stop
and
and
hear
your
comments
or
questions.
C
Can
you
repeat
what
you
said
the
conversations
you've
had
with
the
neighbors
and
the
council
member
about
the
the
proposal?
Yes,.
B
B
I've
talked
to
my
most
proximate
neighbors
that
the
neighbor
across
the
street,
his
last
name,
is
litzinger
and
the
neighbor
to
the
immediate
tangent
to
the
house
would
be
to
the
south
and
that's
pete,
mitchell,
claire
kelly
and
I
have
had
excuse
me,
a
ongoing
dialogue
and
initially
her
comments
to
me
were:
let's
see
how
this
sales,
with
with
with
the
parties,
to
my
application,
that
that
being
you
and
any
neighbors
that
want
to
make
comments
as
this
as
these
hearings
move
forward,
that
was
claire
kelly's
position.
C
Okay,
I
think
we
have
some
comments
from
the
from
the
chat
cecile
mchugh.
Let's
do
two
minutes
here.
J
Okay,
I'll
do
my
best,
I'm
sorry
in
time
I'll
speak
quickly.
I've
lived
in
the
middle
of
the
block
of
1900
orrington
for
16
years
and
my
family,
and
I
have
been
plagued
for
years
by
the
party
noise
coming
from
the
large
number
of
students
living
at
this
nuisance
property
at
1946,
orington
neighbors
have
complained
about
the
noise
from
this
nuisance
property
for
years
with
no
effect
this
owner
has
been
violating
the
law
regarding
occupancy
for
years.
J
After
repeatedly
having
been
called
on,
this
owner
is
now
attempting
to
continue
making
the
same
profit
he
has
made
as
an
absentee
landlord,
by
posing
as
being
suddenly
interested
in
running
a
rooming
house
in
the
owner's
application
for
a
special
use.
The
owner
says
there
are
several
rooming
houses
on
the
1900
block.
This
is
not
the
case.
I
know
most
all
and
know
of
all
the
property
owners
on
this
block
immediately
adjacent
to
1946
orrington,
the
north
corner
property
are
eight
single
family
houses,
owner
occupied
with
long-term
owners
comprising
the
bulk
of
the
block.
J
The
black
also
has
one
roaming
house,
two
single
family
owner
occupied
homes
recently
purchased
and
in
annual
apartment
buildings
for
four
families.
This
is
a
family
block
to
which
the
nuisance
property
at
1946
orlington
is
an
exception
in
the
application
for
the
special
use
the
owner
says,
a
special
use
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
J
I'm
here
to
tell
you
that
I
have
already-
and
my
family
has
already
felt,
the
negative
cumulative
effect
of
the
noise
from
this
over-occupied
property,
preventing
my
family
from
being
able
to
enjoy
living
where
we
do
the
way
we
would
without
this
nuisance.
Obviously,
other
families
who
have
also
complained
about
the
noise
feel
the
same
way.
The
loud
and
obnoxious
party
noise
keeps
me
from
being
able
to
enjoy
my
yard
and
porches
the
way
I
would
work
it
not
for
the
nuisance.
At
times
I
simply
go
inside
rather
than
hear
it
when
planning
a
get-together.
J
I
wonder
whether
the
nuisance
is
going
to
be
an
issue.
For
example,
I
hesitated
to
have
my
mother's
90th
birthday
here
wondering
if
drunken
behavior
is
going
to
come
into
play
from
this
property
and
I'm
in
the
middle
of
the
block
I
feel
for
those
living
close.
I
can
still
hear
it
it's
loud,
I
feel
for
those
living
closer
to
the
property.
J
I
worry
about
the
kids
in
the
black
car
in
elementary
school
being
affected
by
the
party
noise
from
in
the
atmosphere
of
this
property
and
the
application
for
the
special
use
the
owner
says.
The
special
use
will
not
diminish
the
value
of
property.
This
is
obviously
false
because
being
in
close
proximity
to
a
nuisance,
property
is
obviously
going
to
deter
many
potential
buyers.
J
The
one
rooming
house
on
this
block
I
referred
to
was
occupied
and
well
managed
by
an
owner
whom
I
know
who
bought
the
property.
I
will
estimate
45
years
ago.
She
told
me
that
the
building
was
designed
to
be
a
rooming
house
and
always
had
been
this
owner,
rented
the
rooms
out
individually
having
some
rooms
up
for
rent
with
each
school
year,
but
many
other
rooms
rented
to
multi-year
tenants.
Her
renters
were
nu.
Grad
students
referred
to
her
by
n.u.
She
especially
enjoyed
having
met
multi-year
renters.
J
I
would
think
with
the
ease,
certainly
but
the
companionship,
and
help
the
multi-year
tenants
provided
over
the
years.
I
believe
she
had
made
a
manager
living
on
premises
also,
the
two
of
them.
In
later
years,
the
owner
provided
a
well-equipped
kitchen.
She
provided
dishware
encouraged
the
students
to
socialize
in
the
dining
room
while
studying
and
provided
suites
as
an
incentive.
This
was
a
real
rooming
house
with
a
responsible
concerned,
caring
owner
living
on
site,
providing
a
family-like
atmosphere.
I'm
nearly
done.
Thank
you.
J
Please
deny
this
request
for
a
special
use
for
a
supposed
rooming
house
at
1946.
Warrington
instead
required
that
this
absentee
landlord
finally
obey
the
law
regarding
occupancy
of
his
property.
This
will
reduce
the
nuisance
from
his
property
to
the
families
on
this
block
and
not
contribute
to
it
by
making
the
current
over
occupancy.
That
has
been
contributing
greatly
to
the
party
atmosphere
and
cumulative
noise
of
this
nuisance
house
legal.
J
I
was
surprised
to
hear
him
say
the
neighbors
are
okay
with
that.
The
the
immediate
neighbor
he's
been
furious
about
this
for
a
while.
I
I
haven't
speak
spoken
with
him.
Lately,
I'm
not
sure
where
he
stands
on
this,
but
maybe
he
didn't
feel
comfortable.
J
C
So
much
it's
okay.
Anyone
else
on
comment
for
this
particular
item
and
then
I'll
move
to
staff
questions.
You
either
chat
or
do
the
hand
raised
thing.
C
Okay,
seeing
none
staff
questions
or
comments.
B
C
I
comment
no
you're,
the
you're,
the
applicant,
you
had
your
you,
you
did
your
your
little
overview
and
then
I'm
just
now.
Staff
is
going
to
give
any
comments
or
questions
so.
C
D
F
Yes,
that's
correct.
I
personally
have
been
working
with
mr
dooley
and
property
maintenance
supervisor
angel
schner
to
have
mr
julie
file.
The
special
use
application
as
he
was
cited
and
viola
for
being
in
violation
of
having
over
occupancy
at
his
proper
at
this
property
and
to
become
to
get
into
compliance
with
the
zoning
code
and
not
be
and
no
longer
be
over
occupied.
F
He
had
to
request
the
special
use
permit,
so
he
is
finally
has
his
application.
Complete
the
land
use
commission
will
be
holding
a
public
hearing
on
this
next
wednesday
january
12th
at
seven
o'clock,
but
I
am
not
I'll
defer
to
angel
schnurr
on
the
proceedings
with
the
adjudication
process.
With
that.
K
I
just
I'm
currently
in
administrative
hearings
with
mr
dooley
in
regards
to
the
over
occupancy.
The
case
has
been
continued
a
couple
of
times
in
order
for
him
to
move
forward
with
his
rubing
house
application
in
an
attempt
to
bring
the
property
into
compliance.
There
is
another
hearing
coming
up
this
week,
where
we'll
tell
the
judge
what
the
status
of
his
application
is
and
any
subsequent
information
that
comes
up.
You
know
before
the
hearing,
but
he's
he's
currently
in
administrative
hearings
for
this.
K
We
have
done
a
number
of
rental
inspections
at
the
property
and
whenever
violations
have
been
observed,
mr
dooley
is
usually
pretty
quick
to
address
those
at
the
beginning
of
this
process.
We
did
run
a
report
to
see
how
many
complaints
we
had
received
through
311
regarding
over
occupancy
or
property
maintenance
issues
at
this
property,
and
if
I
recall
correctly,
this
was
several
months
ago
now.
We
have
probably
three
in
the
10
years
that
311
has
been
in
in
use:
that's
not
accounting
for
any
police
complaints
or
noise
complaints.
H
F
That's
something
that
should
this
body
recommend
approval
to
the
ladies
commission
that
we
would
like
the.
I
think,
it's
the
very
last
attachment
to
the
his
the
dapper
packet
for
this
application,
that
the
conditions
and
details
from
mario
be
kind
of
referenced
as
a
condition
of
approval,
and
that
there
be
some
sort
of
timeline
to
your
point
on
that
condition.
So
then
it
goes
into
a
hypothetical
ordinance
for
the
special
use,
and
we,
as
staff
can,
you
know,
follow
up
and
make
sure
that
the
house
is
updated
accordingly.
D
I
I
guess,
hearing
that
it's
that
it's
been
operated
with
with
some
nuisance
activity.
Already
I'm
wondering
how
the
going
forward
the
property
owner
will
will
minimize
those
nuisances
if
it
hasn't
been
able
to
been
done
already.
I
guess
that's
my
concern.
B
B
I
guess
we
all
know
that
that
we're
we're
kind
of
in
a
techno
technological
revolution,
but
what
I
just
mentioned
is
true:
there
are
sensors.
Yes,
I
would
get
those
sensors.
That
would
be
a
very
strong
method
of
capping
out
what
what
could
lead
to
a
nuisance
noise.
C
So
I
think,
mr
dooley,
I
think
the
question
more
relates
less
to
how
I
don't
think,
there's
a
dispute
of
whether
the
noise
is
there.
I
think
we're
getting
the
feedback
that
there's
noise
there.
I
think
it's,
if
you're
going
to
propose
to
manage
a
rooming
house
which
has
multiple
people
and
multiple
parties
in
a
space
and
not
live
at
the
at
the
property
on
site.
I
think
how
are
you
going
to
manage
if
somebody
is
is
being
habitually
problematic?
How
are
you
managing
that,
as
a
rooming
house
operator,.
B
Well,
there's
two
ways:
one
I
mentioned
sensors
that
would
be
a
clear
and
and
correct
measure
of
of
the
noise.
The
sensors,
that's
part,
one
in
part,
part
two
of
the
actual
party
that
goes
beyond
the
the
noise
level
would
would
know
immediately
that
they
have
broached
a
a
a
line,
a
line
followed
a
line
in
the
sand
and
would,
if
they're
anyway
responsible
person,
they
would
cut
it
back
and
be
be
quiet.
B
C
So
can
I
ask
if
you've
been
more
or
less
operating
like
this
for
several
for
for
a
period
of
time
and
you're
aware
of
these
sensors?
What
has
prevented
you
from
doing
this
in
the
in
the
past
and
take
you
know
putting
sensors
in
or
taking
action
against,
problematic
tenants,
which
we
know
that
you
have.
B
Let's
call
it
a
partner
in
the
world
of
renting,
particularly
the
students,
but
not
exclusively
told
me
of
these
sensors,
and
he
he
carries
a
a
alert
in
his
pocket
it,
and
it
tells
him
if
the
noise
level
has
gone
above
a
a
measure,
that's
where
it's
potentially
a
nuisance,
so
he
he
carries
a
sensor
in
his
pocket.
There's
also
a
sensor
in
his
premise,
but
I
only
learned
about
that
very
recently
in
sound
space
age,
but
it
is
for
real
and.
B
So
I
I
mentioned
if
the
a
violator
is
is
a
a
problem,
significant
problem.
I
would
have
a
clause
to
to
throw
him
out
roma
or
her
out.
B
B
Of
to
not
go
into
something
that
would
make
the
property
non-habitable
those
are,
I
didn't
write
the
lease,
but
that
that's
in
a
standard
lease,
not
a
non-habitable
behavior,
so
that
that's
that's
within
the
lease
currently.
C
Okay,
any.
C
E
You're
on
you,
sorry
I'll
make
a
motion
so
hold
on
one.
Second,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
for
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
land
use
commission
contingent
on
mr
dooley
presenting
information
regarding
the
installation
of
a
noise
monitoring
system
with
the
caveat
the
special
used
to
be
reviewed
12
months
from
now
for
notices
of
violation
of
noise
and
other
property
standards.
E
Yes,
the,
but
I
actually,
I
kind
of
assumed
that
the
sprinklers
would
be
required
to
be
installed
prior
to
the
granting
of
the
specialty.
So
you
would
sounds.
C
I
C
All
right
so
there's
a
positive
recommendation.
Sorry
who's
seconded,
I
think
edgar
did
okay.
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion,
a
positive
recommendation
from
this
body.
Katie.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
D
F
Jones,
no,
I
do
not
need
to
vote
because
they're
already
two
members
from
planning
zoning
division
angel,
schner.
I
F
A
F
A
F
There
motion
fails
by
a
vote
of
three
to
seven
in
the
negative
okay.
C
B
C
All
right.
Next
item
1224
washington
street
jim
james
tullio
property
owners
request
two
zoning
variations
from
the
evanston
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
for
the
subdivision
of
one
9,
226
square
foot,
100
foot
wide
residential
corner
lot
into
two
residential
lots
in
the
r3
2
family
residential
district.
The
applicant
requests
one
major
variation
to
allow
the
proposed
interior
lot
to
be
426
square
feet
or
where
minimum
lot
size
of
5000
square
feet
is
required.
Section
6-8-4-4.
C
The
applicant
also
requests
a
minor
variation
to
allow
the
proposed
corner
lot
to
have
an
impervious
surface
lot
coverage
approximately
3,
485
square
feet
or
69.7,
where
the
maximum
permitted
is
3000
square
feet
or
60
section
6-8-4-9.
The
subject:
property
is
currently
improved
with
a
one
two-story
building
a
driveway
and
a
patio.
The
applicant
is
not
proposing
any
site
improvements
to
the
subject:
property
in
association
with
these
requests.
The
land
use
commission
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case,
so
katie
before
we
hear
from
the
applicant.
C
Can
you
just
walk
through
the
review
of
your
analysis
for
this
one.
F
Sure
so
mr
twilio
came
forward
over
the
summer
to
ask
about
doing
a
two
lot
split
for
the
subject:
property
and
the
property
is
just
under
the
ten
under
ten
thousand
square
feet.
So
if
he
were
to
create
one
conforming
lot
with
a
minimum
area
of
5
000
square
feet,
the
remaining
lot
would
not
be
would
not
obviously
not
meet
that
and
it
would
be
4226
square
feet.
So
that
is
what
the
major
variation
is
for,
and
that's
triggering
the
review
by
this
body
and
then
also
the
land
use.
Commission.
F
The
other
request
is
being
reviewed
in
conjunction
with
the
major
variation.
It
is
a
minor
variation
to
allow
the
existing
improvements
on
what
is
the
proposed
lot,
one
on
the
subdivision
to
remain,
and
it
would
there's
an
impervious.
It
exceeds
the
maximum
permanent
insert
impervious
surface
requirement.
So
right
now
is
one
zoning
lot
and
lot
of
record
the
impervious
surface
is
compliant.
F
But
when
it's
going
to
be
reduced
down
to
5
000
square
feet,
it
will
no
longer
come
comply,
so
that
in
essence,
is
what
we're
requiring
or
what
he's
requesting
as
staff.
F
We've
also
asked
that
an
easement
be
proposed
along
the
south
of
lot
1,
so
that
the
lot
2
can
have
vehicular
access
to
asbury
avenue
to
the
west,
and
we
would
also
like
the
like
dapper
in
this
ladies
commission,
to
add
another
condition
that
no
additional
curb
cut
be
installed
on
lot
on
either
lot
one
or
lot
two
on
washington
street,
so
that
both
of
the
properties
are
having
a
what's
function
is
an
alley
to
the
south
via
the
easement
that
he's
putting
in
on
lot
one.
L
So
at
one
time
in
evanston
it
was
only
this
barn
and
I
think
it
was
a
barn
from
1858
to
the
1950s
at
some
point,
then
they
built
this
brick
part
of
the
building
and
it
was
a
butcher
shop
for
50
years
and
then
in
the
1950s
they
converted
to
a
corner
grocery
store
and
in
2006
I
bought
it
and
I'm
a
music
producer,
and
I
just
have
a
I
live
upstairs
and
I
have
a
personal
studio
downstairs.
L
L
Up
until
about
two
years
ago,
everything
was
fine
and
I
was
lucky
enough
to
obtain
a
private
mortgage
for
the
building
and
I
have
a
good
friend,
who's
very
wealthy,
and
he
gave
me
a
private
mortgage
and
I
had
a
very
low
interest
rate
and
that
was
locked
in
for
nine
years
and
in
2017
that
nine
years
was
up
and
the
my
mortgage
rate
quadrupled
because
when
you
have
a
private
mortgage,
the
minimum,
the
minimum
interest
that
can
be
charged
is
the
bank
to
bank
rate.
L
So
by
2017,
the
bank
to
bank
rate
quadrupled
from
2010.
I
mean
2008
when
I
got
the
initial
mortgage
so
anyway,
the
bottom
line
is,
I
haven't,
been
able
to
afford
the
mortgage
and
then
kovit
hit
and
whatever
business.
I
was
doing,
I'm
a
record
producer
and
nobody's
using
recording,
recording
studios.
Now.
I
I
use
this
studio
at
times,
but
I
also
went
downtown
and
used
downtown
studios,
but
business
basically
stopped.
L
L
I've
done
63
tracks
with
high
school
students
since
the
end
of
march
of
2020..
Now,
if
you
have
any
idea
of
what
that
means,
63
tracks
is
more
than
six
albums
in
less
than
two
years.
That's
a
lot
of
work
yeah
and
it's
all
for
these
kids,
and
I
do
it
all
completely
pro
bono
don't
charge
anything
and
these
kids
are
getting
a
great
deal
out
of
it.
L
E
B
E
So
this
lot,
apparently
at
one
time,
was
to
what
I
assume
were
fairly
normal
sized
lots
and
at
one
point
somebody
took
the
east
half
of
these
lots
and
combined
them
and
sold
it
off
into
a
single
property
which
is
almost
entirely
covered
by
a
house.
E
E
So
I
really
don't
think
it's
a
good
practice
for
us
to
generate
a
substandard
lot.
This
body,
as
well
as
other
the
what's
now
the
land
commission
bought
governing
bodies
in
this
city,
deal
a
lot
with
the
problems
related
to
substandard
lots,
and
we
could
write
a
book
on
all
of
the
stories
related
to
substandard
lots.
But
essentially,
as
soon
as
somebody
buys
lot
too
and
tries
to
develop
it,
it's
highly
likely
that
the
neighbors
will
come
out
of
the
woodwork
and
complain
about
all
of
this
variances
needed
to
develop
a
substandard
lot.
E
So
it's
just
a
really
bad
practice
for
us
to
violate
impervious
surface.
It's
a
violation
of
the
carp
policy
that
was
adopted
by
the
city
council
to
allow
impervious
surfaces
to
be
exceeding
the
zoning
and,
in
addition,
the
creation
of
yet
another
substandard
lot,
where
we
essentially
already
have
two
lots
that
are
way
overbuilt
that
are
blanketing
on
either
side
is
just
a
really
bad
policy.
E
E
So
there's
requirements
in
zoning
they're
related
to
lot
building
lot
coverage
and
impervious
surface
allowances.
When
you
sell
off
lot
two,
you
will
effectively
lot.
One
will
be
in
violation
of
those
well
particularly
the
impervious
service
requirement,
but
the
lot
that
was
sold
off
years
ago,
that
is
adjacent
to
the
alley
and
fronts
washington
deep
street,
which
is
also
strange
because
it
goes
over.
The
way
that
this
has
all
been
planted
is
really
odd.
E
E
E
But
even
I
mean
in
addition
to
that,
just
the
generation
again,
this
may
not
be
a
thing
that
you're
particularly
familiar
with,
but
my
colleagues
certainly
are
when
you
generate
a
substandard
lot
that
will
require
variances
in
order
to
develop.
E
A
E
L
K
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
I
echo
everything
that
laura
said
in
terms
of
the
lot
and
the
the
creation
of
additional
substandard
lots
and
and
variances
moving
forward
for
anybody
who
would
want
to
do
anything
on
this
property.
But
the
other
concern
is
I
look
at.
It
is
the
the
requirement
I
mean
lot.
2
would
need
to
have
access
to
the
property
and
requiring
an
easement
sounds
really
nice
today,
but
15
20
years
from
now.
K
If
we
have
neighbors
who
are
not
getting
along
easements
and
snow
removal
and
garbage
removal-
and
you
know,
grass,
trimming
and
maintenance
of
the
easement
is,
is
you
know
potentially
an
issue?
I
mean?
If
we're,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
create
problems.
I
mean
I
can't
foresee
the
future,
but
we
have
these
issues
in
other
properties.
E
I
agree
with
that
angel
if
we
are
deciding
to
move
forward
with
this.
I
would
also
make
a
recommendation
that
easement
should
be
a
minimum
of
16
feet
wide.
The
curb
cut
appears
to
be:
I
didn't
go
out
and
measure
it
feels
like
the
easement
is
being
suggested
to
match
the
curb
cut,
but
eight
feet
wide.
If
there's
a
car
there,
then
you
can't
get
around
the
other
car
and
you
have
two
neighbors
that
are
using
the
same
space
and
might
not
all
want
to
move
their
cars
at
the
same
time.
L
L
I
mean
that's
already
been
discussed
and
I
would
take
out
those
bushes
and
it
would
be
17
feet.
E
F
Laura
you're
correct
the
proposed
easement
is
eight
feet
because
right
now,
if
he
were
to
widen
the
easement
to
go
basically
right
to
the
south
building
wall,
he
will.
F
Which
parking
is
not
really
supposed
to
be
in
the
interior
side
yard,
so
we
had
suggested
the
eight
foot
easement
initially
to
maintain
his
parking
situation
so
that
he
didn't
become
non-compliant
with
parking.
F
E
So
I
think
you've
just
made
a
statement
that
supports
both
my
original
point
and
angel's
point,
which
is
that
you're
com
you're
creating
a
lot
of
non-compliant
situations
that
are
only
going
to
cause
trouble
in
the
future
and
unless
you
make
that
easement
16
feet,
it's
already
a
not
ideal
situation.
But
it's
at
eight
feet.
It's
just
opening
up
a
can
of
worms
for
arguments
between
two
future
neighbors
who
don't
necessarily
get
a
line,
a
generation
down
the
road.
A
D
F
F
C
All
right
so,
mr
trulia,
that
that
I
we're
not
we're
just
recommending
body.
The
item
will
be
at
landy's
commission
on
the
12th.
Yes,
okay
and
they're,
also
a
recommending
body
and
that
travels
to
city
council.
Ultimately,
right.
F
The
the
major
variation
will
have
a
final
determination
by
the
land
use
commission,
but
if
they
were
to
recommend
denial,
then
we
can't-
or
they
were,
to
deny
the
request.
Then
his
proposed
flat
of
subdivision
would
not
go
to
council
because
he
can't
subdivide
so.
Okay.
C
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
mr
truly.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
follow
up
with
katie
on
this
all.
M
Good
afternoon
happy
new
year,
everybody
thank
you,
michael.
So,
if
you
will
recall,
we
came
to
dapper,
I
think,
in
november,
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
little
things,
and
this
was
one
of
the
issues
that
we
started
to
talk
about
and
because
we
hadn't
sort
of
fully
thought
through
these
issues.
M
You
thought
it
was
important
that
we
come
back
here.
The
issue
is,
with
the
plan
development
approval
for
this
project.
There
was
a
requirement
that
we
maintain
11
foot,
10
vertical
clearance
to
allow
for
a
loading
dock
on
the
west
gate
of
this
project
right
in
front
of
the
former
cj
or
the
the
current
existing
cje
building.
That
will
now
be
part
of
this
larger
development.
M
The
initial
thought
we
had
was
to
conceal
a
security
gate
for
the
upper
level
parking
deck
of
this
complex
behind
the
structural
member
there,
but
because
of
the
way
these
gates
work,
that
would
reduce
the
vertical
clearance
below
the
11
foot
10
level,
and
I
the
the
feedback
we
got
was
yeah.
That
would
have
to
go
back
as
a
major
variance.
It
would
have
to
go
back
to
plan
commission
and
probably
back
to
city
council,
and
we
did
not
want
to
go
through
that.
M
The
reason
that
we
are
exploring
this
is,
I
think,
as
we
mentioned
before,
everybody
is
aware
of
the
raft
of
catalytic
converter
thefts
that
have
been
happening
in
evanston
for
more
than
a
year
now
and
the
cje
shalom
buses
that
are
an
important
part
of
the
program
that
cje
operates
out
of
this
facility.
M
They
have
catalytic
converters
on
them
and
so
during
the
time
that
those
buses
have
been
stored
away
from
the
former
fenced-in
area
of
the
site,
they've
had
a
couple
of
cases
of
the
the
converter
stolen
from
these
buses,
and
it's
really
disruptive
for
for
cje,
who
is
our
partner
on
this
project,
takes
the
bus
out
of
service.
It's
expensive,
it's
an
insurance
claim
and
it
messes
up
their
ability
to
serve
their
clients.
So
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
a
secure
environment
for
cj's
transportation
resources
here.
M
So
we
think
we
have
a
solution
that
maintains
that
11
foot
10
clearance-
the
compromise
here
is
that
it
will
involve
putting
the
the
gate
itself
outboard
of
the
structure
of
the
building
so
yeah
as
you're
going
through
this
here.
M
You
can
see
sort
of
where,
where
this
is
in
the
context,
if
you
want
to
go
actually,
I
think
it's
to
the
fourth
image
of
this
and
one
more
it
gives
you
a
better
sense
of
how
this
will
work
yeah
that
one
so
the
the
rolling
gate
is
it's.
It's
curled
up,
basically
on
a
spindle
and
there's
a
motor
on
one
end
of
it
that
will
that
rolls
it
up,
and
so
this
solution
here
will
provide
a
metal
enclosure
for
the
rolling
gate
mechanism.
M
The
clearance
for
that
will
be
above
that
11
foot
10
and
the
vertical
structure
that
supports
this
will
tie
into
some
six
foot.
You
know
pedestrian
size
fencing
to
provide
pedestrian
access
to
that
upper
level.
M
So
when
the
staff
first
arrive
in
the
morning,
I
think
there's
a
remote
control
that
rolls
this
gate
up
and
while
the
program
is
operating
during
the
day
between
eight
and
four
in
the
afternoon,
the
gate
will
be
up
and
then
in
the
evening,
when
the
program
shuts
down
the
gate
will
be
closed
for
the
evening.
M
So
it's
really
a
visual
change
to
the
project,
but
we
did
want
to
bring
it
back
to
this
committee
before
we
proceeded
to
approve
this
work.
Obviously,
999
1015
howard
is
well
underway,
we're
actually
having
a
meeting
with
city
staff,
either
next
week
or
the
following
week
to
talk
about
getting
ready
for
our
certificate
of
occupancy
inspections.
So
we're
almost
done,
but
we
did
want
to
bring
this
issue
to
you
before
we
approve
it.
M
It
would
be,
I
mean
yes,
this
potentially
we
could.
We
could
take
this
off
the
building.
If
we
didn't
need
it
anymore,
you
know,
will
we
ever
not
need
security
in
this
location?
That
would
be
great,
but
you
know
stuff
has
been
happening
along
howard
street
as
long
as
I've
been
aware
of
it.
So
I
think
having
some
level
of
security
here
is
going
to
be
important.
M
N
Those
are
our
perforated
aluminum
aluminum
panels
that
you
know
has
to
have
round
openings.
Staggered
openings
which
provide
58
vision
through
at
all
times.
G
E
I
believe
there
was
an
email
that
went
out.
That
said
some
materials
had
been
supplied
as
part
of
the
that
were
sitting
in
the
building.
This.
C
Right,
we
got
a
lot
of
buildings
going
on
right
now.
I
think
my
my
concern
is
this:
isn't
gonna?
This
is
gonna,
look
like
it's
a
lockdown
building
and
how
do
we,
I,
I
think,
we're
all
sympathetic
empathetic
of
the
situation.
How
do
we
keep
this
vehicle
safe?
Because
it's
those
are
those
provide
a
critical
service
to
individuals,
but
how
do
we
not
look?
Look
make
this
look
like
this
is
some
kind
of
facility
where
people
are
being
contained
and
not
residing.
C
And
like
the
lack
of
sort
of
materiality
of
this,
drawing
is
giving
me
pause
to
to
make
a
decision
on
it.
Is
it
one
of
the
things
we
started
to
do
which
largest
reference?
Is
people
provide
us
materials,
and
then
we
put
them
in
a
public
space
at
the
city?
And
then
people
can
look
at
the
materials
is.
Are
you
able
to
get
us
the
materials
within
the
week
and
we
can
put
it
out
somewhere
and
let
staff
see.
M
Dominic,
do
you
have
a
cut
sheets
for
this
for
this
fence?
Yes,
we
do
if,
if
dominic
hart
is
our
architect
with
urban
works
architects,
if,
if
he
can
share
his
screen,
I
think
he
can
probably
show
you
the
material
that
they
are
recommending.
N
Sorry,
david,
I
am
on
a
different
computer,
so
I
don't
have
access
to
that
was.
Let
me
see
if
it's
in
an
email
and
are
we
sure
that
it's
not
included
in
this
package.
M
H
N
G
While
you're
looking,
it
would
also
be
great
to
get
clarity
if
we
approve
to
have
a
cut
out
in
the
sidewalk
for
the
entry.
Usually,
we
would
want
the
sidewalk
to
stay
at
the
same
elevation
and
that
the
drive-through
would
accommodate
the
elevation
of
the
sidewalk,
not
the
sidewalk
accommodate
the
elevation
of
the
drive-through.
M
O
And
this
is
tom
lockwood
cfo
at
cj
senior
life.
Prior
to
this
whole
development.
There
was
a
similar
gate
next
to
the
gate
that
led
into
the
parking
lot
on
howard
street
previously,
so
really
I
just
replacing
the
exact
same
setup,
but
the
gate
rather
than
going
acro
the
gate
to
the
driveway
going
horizontal
down
the
down
the
street
is
going
vertical
up
to
the
building,
but
the
wall.
The
separate
entrance
for
walking
in
a
walking
gate
was
already
present
previously.
O
You
know,
and
I
will
confirm
david's
comment-
that
during
this
period,
we've
had
two
separate
instances:
instances
where
three
catalytic
converters
were
stolen,
one
on
the
the
college,
oakton
college
campus
under
security
and
one
right
in
front
of
our
corporate
offices
at
3
30
in
the
morning
takes
five
minutes.
O
C
M
Okay,
I've
got
some
material
here.
That
is,
let
me
just
david.
N
And
then
I
will
also
grab
an
image
for
the
for
the
garage
door.
I
E
A
E
A
M
And
then
you
want
to
show
the
rolling
fence.
C
And
I
think
the
other
question
is
maybe
larry
just
said
this,
with
the
I
mean
I
think
getting
a
sense
of
where
not
only
is
where,
where
other
places
might
have
this
installation,
but
where
other
materials
considered
too
for
this
fence
or
is
this?
Is
this
it
for
the
options.
N
This
this
material
is
consistent
with
the
other
embellishments
that
we
have
on
the
facade.
There
is
a
wire
mesh,
that's
used
above
at
the
balcony
guard,
and
we
thought
that
this
would
provide
a
more
finished.
Look
at
this
scale
than
the
wire
mesh
would.
M
So
dom
is
showing
you
a
drawing,
and
if
I
I'm
gonna
grab
the
screen
from
you
and
I
will
show
actual
photograph
of
what
this
looks
like
installed.
This
was
cut
sheet
from
the
manufacturer,
so
if
I
can,
if
you
want
to
stop
sharing
I'll
I'll,
take
it
from
you.
M
All
right,
so
this
is.
M
This
is
a
cut
sheet
we
received
from
the
manufacturer,
so
you
can
see
that
it
is.
It
is
pretty
transparent
as
a
material
you
can
see
the
color
of
the
car.
You
can
see
the
shape
of
the
car.
You
can
see
people
behind
it.
It's
really
it's
it's
designed
so
that
people
can't
get
through
it,
not
not
so
that
they
can't
see
through
it.
It's
not
like
one
of
the
you
know.
I
know
when
you
think
of
security
gates,
you
think
of
the
times
square,
the
heavy-duty
metal.
M
And
while
we're
at
it
here,
let
me
bring
this
over,
so
I
I
don't
have
a
current
that
shows
the
we
have
pavers
installed
here
and
this
photo
is
from
maybe
six
weeks
ago,
but
this
is
the
current
condition
looking
out
to
howard
street,
so
there
are
now
pavers
installed
where
this
gravel
is
shown
and
there's
a
there's,
a
thin
layer
of
concrete.
M
C
M
M
Yeah,
this
is
also.
This
is
also
it's
a
little
older,
yes,
but.
A
D
I
I
think
the
mesh
looks
fine
and
I
think
the
the
rolling
gate,
the
actual
gate
itself
looks
fine,
I'm
just
wondering
is
there,
could
there
be
a
way
to
in
terms
of
the
actual
coil
part?
That's
at
the
top
is.
Would
there
be
a
way
to
sort
of
blend
that
into
the
building
a
little
bit
so
that
it
doesn't
look
so
so
rolling
gate,
housing,
mechanical?
D
M
It
will
be
painted
the
same.
There's
a
there's,
a
sort
of
orangey,
yellow
color,
that's
an
accent
color.
That
will
be
the
sort
of
final
embellishment.
That's
going
on
the
building.
We
hope
within
the
next
five
weeks
or
so,
and
the
the
gate
and
the
sort
of
appropriate
accent,
pieces
of
the
gate
and
the
and
the
pedestrian
fence
will
be
painted
to
match
that
color.
So
it
will
all
look
like
it
was
intentionally
done,
even
though
this
was
a
sort
of
a
an
addition
that
was,
after
the
fact.
I
Go
ahead
and
edgar,
I
have
another
question
as
far
as
the
gate,
I
don't
know
if
it
stays
on
the
plane,
I
wasn't
able
to
find
it,
but
the
offset
from
the
gate
to
the
building,
because
just
looking
at
the
drawings,
if
it's
only
a
six
foot
high
fence,
I'm
wondering
and
catalytic
converters
actually
what
we're
trying
to
deter
here
is:
what's
stopping
somebody
from
jumping
that
fence
going
behind
the
gate
and
going
into
the
building.
M
O
O
M
I
guess
the
the
other
thing
to
point
out
is
that
you
know
somebody
who
is
really
determined
to
get
over
there.
M
Maybe
we
can't
stop
them,
but
but
they're
going
to
have
to
steal
this
thing
and
then
get
it
back
over
the
fence
and
get
out
of
there
and
the
you
know.
There
are
windows
onto
the
back
parking
deck
from
the
residential
units,
and
so
it
is
our
hope
that
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
or
something
if
someone
in
a
resident
of
the
building
hears
them
and
sees
them
back
there,
that
somebody
will
be
kind
enough
to
call
the
police.
M
But-
and
we
will
have
you-
know
our
camera
system-
we
will
have
a
security
system
in
the
building
recording
this
activity.
So
hopefully
a
six
foot
fence
would
be
sufficient
here.
M
It
simply
adds
cost
to
the
project
and
you
know,
but
it's
probably
not
going
to
add
much
cost
to
the
project.
I
don't
know
what
do
you
think
six
feet?
Seven
feet
eight
feet.
N
It's
an
incremental
cost,
it's
probably
not
the
main
driver.
I
think
you
know
the
intent
was
to
really
our
concerns
are
the
same
as
everyone
here
in
terms
of
this
facility's
interface
with
the
public
and
its
appearance,
and
thought
that
this
seemed
to
be
an
appropriate
compromise
in
terms
of
its
transparency
and
height
at
six
feet.
N
C
All
right,
any
other
staff
comments.
My
only
other
comment
was
that
that
this
be
considered
to
be
removed
in
the
in
the
event
that
the
future
does
not
have
this
kind
of
theft
concern
and
it
didn't
have
to
stay.
A
O
I
I
will
relay
one
other
issue
we
have
had
in
the
past
is
where
folks,
you
know,
call
them
vagrants
or
homeless
or
whatever
you
want
to
call.
It
take
take
up
residence
in
the
parking
lot
overnights,
and
that
has
happened
in
the
past.
We've
had
in
our
lobbies
before,
so
it
is
more
than
just
the
buses,
but
primarily
right
now.
The
bus
is
a
major
concern,
but
we
have
had
pedestrian
issues
in
the
past
as
well.
M
Yeah
and
to
be
clear,
this
is
only
on
the
west
gate
and
remember
this
is
a
two
level
parking
garage.
So
this
is
the
access
to
the
upper
deck.
The
lower
deck,
which
is
primarily
parking
for
the
residents
of
the
building,
is
still
open
with
just
a
fin.
M
G
M
Absolutely
I
mean
we're
in
the
business
of
providing
affordable
housing
and
typically
our
property
managers
are
pretty
well
trained
and
and
if,
as
long
as
they're,
not
you
know,
aggressive
or
disruptive
or
threatening
in
working
with
these
folks
to
help
provide
better
housing
options,
including
potentially
getting
them
on
the
list
for
a
cook
county
voucher,
so
that
they
can
live
for
very
little
money
every
month.
G
Well,
and
so
I
I'm
not
I'm
saying
that
there
are
people
who
are
skilled
with
working
with
people
who
are
unhoused,
who
may
choose
not
to
be
housed
or
who
may
not
for
various
reasons
that
would
be
best
suited
for
working
with
individuals
who
take
up
residence
in
your
parking
garage.
If
that
should
happen,
okay,.
I
I
H
F
A
C
Thanks
david,
thank
you,
everybody.
That
concludes
our
business.
We
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
morning
at
9
30,
just
trying
to
catch
up
on
the
backlog
of
activity
for
the
former
burger
king
site.
So
I
will
see
you
all,
hopefully
at
9
30
tomorrow
morning
and
then
just
a
reminder
going
forward.
This
meeting
starts
at
2
o'clock
on
tuesdays
now,
so
I
know
that
two
o'clock
to
2
30
time
is
is
is
confusing,
but
that's
what
it
is.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.