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suspension
of
the
rules
to
allow
member
participation
electronically
or
by
telephone.
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A
Question
passes
only
one
item
today:
999
howard
street
minor
adjustment
to
a
plan
development,
david
block
applications
for
a
minor
adjustment
to
an
approved
plan,
development
to
modify
south
howard
street
exterior
facade
of
the
original
cje
senior
life
building,
landscaping,
exterior
lighting
fixtures
99
to
1015
howard
street,
approved
by
ordinance
8-0-20
in
the
b2
business
district.
A
D
Sure
so,
999
howard,
this
is
the
cje.
You
know
building
they're
doing
the
addition
for
multi-family,
so
they're
coming
in
to
do
some
minor
changes
to
their
plan,
one
being
the
exterior
lighting
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
on
the
alley
side.
D
Originally,
along
the
alley
side,
they
were
just
showing
iv
to
to
help
screen
to
help
soften
the
building
the
parking
area
and
looks
like
there's
a
gap
between
the
building
and
the
alley
pavement
that
they're
looking
to
to
do
some
landscaping
and
then
the
bigger,
significant
change
is
actually
to
the
original
cje
building
itself
and
changing
the
exterior
facade
that
faces
howard
and
opening
up
with
with
windows.
I
So
if
I
can
actually,
if
I
could
share
my
screen,
I
have
most
of
these
same
exhibits,
but
we've
got
a
little
more
color
commentary
just
to
kind
of.
I
That
okay,
so
I
wanted
to
take
the
three
items
that
michael
mentioned
in
order
and
then
this
last
item
I
added
as
like
we'd,
like
some
advice
from
you
on
this:
it's
not
an
official
request,
but
we
wanted
to
get
your
sense
of
how
we
should
deal
with
this,
and
I
should
say
that
these
are.
These
are
all
relatively
minor
issues.
I
They
are
all
primarily
issues
that
came
about
from
discovered
conditions
during
construction,
so
I
thought
we
would
start
with
the
bigger
of
these
issues,
the
the
front
of
the
original
cje
senior
life
building,
because
really
when
we
opened
that
up
the
the
condition
of
the
building
was
less
stable,
less
conducive
to
a
long-term,
you
know
well-maintained
facade
than
we
had
thought.
So
we
need
to
do
something
about
that
and
then
the
the
parking
deck
issue
has
to
do
with
the
location
of
the
power
lines.
I
Above
the
back
of
our
parking
structure
and
the
rear
alley
landscaping,
you
know
I,
I
think
it
was
probably
something
we
overlooked,
like
the
survey
showed
where
the
lines
were
and
our
drawing
extended
there,
but
like
okay,
there's
a
little
gap.
What
do
we
do
with
the
gap?
So
let
me
just
quickly
go
through
these
items,
one
at
a
time
so
and-
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
most
of
you
have
probably
driven
by
the
building.
I
The
building
is
up
we're
in
our
final
stages
of
construction
and
we
are
working
on
the
interior
renovation
of
the
cje
building.
So
this
is
the
original
cje
building.
I
believe
this
was
a
a
former
amp
supermarket.
I
should
also
pause
to
add
by
the
way
on
the
line
here
with
me.
Is
jenny
calero?
Who
is
our
project
manager
from
evergreen?
I
I'm
david
block,
I'm
the
director
of
development
for
evergreen
real
estate,
our
partner
at
cje,
tom
lockwood,
is
their
cfo
and
then
dominic
hart
from
urban
works
architecture
is
also
on
the
line.
So
this
is
the.
This
is
the
first
floor
space
of
the
existing
cje
building.
You
can
see
it's
a
series
of
offices,
the
renovation
work
that
that
we're
doing
is
actually
more
around
the
the
lobby
of
that
space.
I
We're
not
doing
much
to
these
spaces,
but
it's
this
wall
along
howard
street
that
we're
talking
about-
and
I
show
this
because
these
were
the
permit
drawings
we
submitted.
We
didn't
really
have
a
strong
approach
to
this.
I
think
we
were
looking
at
a
kind
of
a
siding
approach.
It
probably
would
have
been
a
hardy
product,
lap
siding,
but
we
were
still
concluding
that
as
we
submitted
for
permit.
I
So
as
we've
opened
up
the
wall,
let
me
just
quickly
zoom
in
on
on
this,
so
you
can
see
it
this.
This
is
what's
there
now,
and
this
is
the
best
construction
that
probably
1960
had
to
offer.
These
are
these
cow
wall
panels?
You
can
see
they're
really
yellowed
with
age
separated
by
some
steel
members,
and
then
there
are
load-bearing
columns
for
the
brick
and
the
and
the
limestone
band
above
it,
but
they're
in
bad
shape.
I
They
have
no
load-bearing
capacity,
they
have
no
insulation
value,
so
we
really
need
to
do
something
better
for
for
cje
as
part
of
this
project,
because
we
don't
want
the
spaces
to
be
cold.
We
want
the
spaces
to
be
more
pleasant.
We
want
this
building
to
to
last
a
long
time,
so
so
we
have
some
thoughts
about
how
we
do
it
again.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
detail,
so
you
can
see
the
program.
I
That's
in
there
we've
got
an
art
therapy,
room,
a
nurse's
office,
some
staff
offices,
so
you
know
pretty
basic
part
of
the
cje
program
and
what
we
propose
to
do
here.
So
I
it's
a
it's
a
long,
narrow
building.
Let
me
let
me
just
zoom
out
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
see
and
then
I'll
zoom
back
in
this
was
the
emergency
exit
from
the
space
that
is
still
going
to
be
used
as
an
emergency
exit
and
what
we're
proposing
to
do
there.
There
is
a
existing.
I
I
guess
it's
a
knee
wall,
it's
brick!
It
sticks
up
above
the
sidewalk
level
about
a
foot
or
so,
and
so
the
area
that
we
would
be
replacing
is
this
whole
space
in
here,
so
we're
proposing
to
essentially
replace
that
with
new
masonry,
infill
and
dom
put
this
exhibit
together.
So
going
back
up
here
we're
actually,
this
is
the
the
color
essentially
of
the
brick
face
of
the
original
building.
I
This
is
the
color
of
the
adjacent
stone,
we're
proposing
to
use
kind
of
a
complimentary
color
in
this
range
for
the
infill
brick,
so
a
color
palette
that
that
is
complementary,
but
not
trying
to
mimic
exactly.
What's
there
now
and
put
in
some
new
infill
windows
up
at
a
clear
story
level.
I
So
these
are
not
they're,
not
vision,
glass
for
the
offices,
they're
designed
to
be
clear
story,
because
there
are
some
privacy
issues,
there's
a
nurse's
office,
and
these
are,
as
you
know,
these
are
cj's
clients
with
dementia
and
so
having
a
lot
of
visual
activity
from
the
street,
and
people
looking
in
on
them
would
not
be
a
good
thing.
So
this
is
to
provide
light,
but
it's
not
to
provide
vision
for
activity
in
the
street.
The
the
the
windows
are
up.
I
I
can't
read
that
dom
hi
how
high
about
it's
six
feet
above
above
floor
level
here
and
then
what
you
see
here,
which
I
kind
of
like
is
the
architects,
have
proposed
some
fairly
subtle,
horizontal
banding,
and
so
some
of
these,
some
of
these
runs
of
brick,
will
stick
out
just
a
little
bit
from
the
back
of
the
wall.
I
So
those
are
the
ones
that
you
see
with
the
shadow
at
the
bottom
and
then
some
of
the
runs
of
brick
will
stick
back
into
the
wall
and
we're
talking
like
less
than
half
an
inch.
So
this
is
not
a
huge
amount,
but
it's
enough
subtlety
to
create
some
shadow
lines
and
to
create
a
little
bit
of
visual
interest
on
the
facade.
I
So
that's
what
we're
proposing
for
this
facade-
and
you
know,
we'd
love
to
get
your
input,
but
we
need
to
do
this
work
pretty
quickly,
it's
getting
cold.
We
need
to
finish
the
job.
So
we
welcome
your
comments
on
this.
A
B
You
know
johanna,
I
did
want
to
make
one
comment
about
the
alley:
lighting.
Actually,
the
city
standard
for
exterior
lights
is
moved
to
the
color
temperature
of
3000,
kelvin
or
less,
and
I
noticed
in
the
lighting
that
was
provided.
The
cut
sheets
for
the
lighting
provided
in
the
packet
listed
3000
kelvin
as
an
option,
but
not
as
it
wasn't
selected
or
indicated
to
be.
The
selection
so
just
request
that
all
the
exterior
lighting
be
at
3,
000,
kelvin,
color,
temperature
or
less.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
laura.
I
I
will
come
back
to
the
lighting
in
a
minute.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
hit
these
issues
one
by
one.
I
believe.
E
Only
that,
as
long
as
we're
talking
about
the
unless
you
wanted
to
wait
a
minute
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
it's
zero
at
the
lot
line,
so
none
of
that
light
can
spill
over.
So
just
be
mindful
of
that.
I
It's
okay!
I'm
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
do
this
in
a
somewhat
logical
way
here
so
understood
about
the
lot
line.
It
may
be
that
we
set
the
whole
wall
back
just
enough
to
have
these
little
protrusions
and
again
we're
talking
less
than
half
an
inch.
So
it's
it's
not
it's
not
much!.
G
I
No,
these,
I
think,
got
generated
more
recently,
so
sorry
about
that.
That's
just
where
we're
building
and
designing
as
we
go
here
so.
C
A
I
Okay,
so
thank
you
now
moving
on
to
the
lighting
question,
so
this
is
what
we
propose
and
again
we
we
added
some
color
to
this,
so
that
that
people
understand
what
it
is
that
we're
looking
at.
So
this
is
a
kind
of
a
hybrid
image
of
the
second
floor
of
the
building.
I
think
everybody
understands
it's
a
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
complicated
plan.
I
I'm
not
gonna
go
through
it,
but
you
know:
we've
got
two
parallel
parking
structures
here,
the
the
upper
structure
is
accessed
from
the
west
side,
so
cars
come
in
from
the
west
entrance
on
howard.
They
come
in
here.
They
they
drive
up
a
slope
here
and
they
circulate
around
and
they
go
back
down
and
they
exit
here.
The
upper
level
of
the
deck
is
primarily
for
cje
use.
They
have.
I
They
have
the
buses
for
their
clients
and
for
their
staff
parking
up
there
and
for
some
of
their
visitors
and
then
the
lower
level
parking
which
is
not
shown
on
the
second
level
plan,
is
accessed
from
the
east
entrance
cars
drive
in
they
drive
down
into
the
below
ground
parking
structure,
and
then
they
can
circulate
back
up
and
exit
this
way.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
cut
through
the
second
floor
and
the
original
design
for
the
lighting
in
this
building.
I
Had
the
lights,
pull
mounted
on
the
back
wall
of
this
parking
structure
and
I'll
show
you
some
photos
in
a
second
of
that
condition,
but
you'll
see
with
the
photos
that
the
way
the
power
lines-
and
that
is
a
high
voltage
line
that
that
serves,
I
believe,
saint
francis
hospital.
I
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
dealing
with
the
utilities
over
here
and
we
realized
that
if
we
were
to
try
to
relocate
these
power
lines
or
put
them
underground,
it
would
be
close
to
a
million
dollars
and
would
have
cost
us
a
year
and
the
project
simply
couldn't
support
that.
So
we
had
to
kind
of
work
around
these
lines.
I
As
best
we
could-
and
so
we
realized,
as
we
were,
you
know
finalizing
the
the
design
and
placement
of
these
that,
if
we
were
to
put
pole
mounted
lights
facing
south
towards
howard
street,
so
you
know
on
the
back
wall.
Looking
this
way,
we
would
be
within
the
the
osha
10-foot
no-go
zone
within
those
lines,
and
so
we
just
couldn't
you
know
we
couldn't
install
them
there.
I
So
the
alternate
proposal
is
to
surface
mount
the
lights
on
the
face
of
the
building
and
have
them
pointing
north
toward
the
wall
of
the
toward
the
wall
of
the
parking
structure.
So
here
let
me.
I
I
C
Actually,
the
highest
so
you're,
seeing
you're
seeing
the
worst
case
scenario
in
terms
of
the
ability
for
the
wall
at
the
alley
to
block
the
light
yeah.
So
as
you
as
this
is,
this
is
taken
towards
the
east.
As
you
move
west,
the
wall
relative
to
the
parking
deck
increases
in
height,
so
you
get
more
screening
as
you
head
head
west.
I
I
So
you
know
our
ability
to
work
within
this
zone
is
pretty
constrained,
but
you
know
you
do
see
that
that
visually,
when
you're
standing
just
on
this
side
of
the
alley,
you
won't
even
see
those
lights
and
they
will
be
tilted
downwards
so
that
the
projection
of
the
light
from
the
the
pretty
tightly
cut
off
fixture
is
even
more
acute
than
our
visual
sight
lines
from
this
drawing.
So
we
just
wanted
to
sort
of
show
you
the
condition
back
there.
A
I
Yeah,
so
it's
and-
and
this
is
adjustable
so
we
can-
we
can
angle
it
and
obviously,
as
part
of
the
installation
we
will
test,
we
will
test
the
the
throw
of
the
light
and
make
sure
that
it
is
cut
off
by
the
wall
and
that
wall
is
a
part
of
the
building.
So
the
wall's
not
going
anywhere.
I
H
I
This
this
is
this
is
a
little
bit
of
better
condition
for
the
for
the
tenants,
because
previously
it
would
have
the
light
would
have
actually
had
only
one
bounce
to
get
from
the
surface
of
the
parking
deck
up
into
the
windows
of
the
residential
units.
In
this
case,
with
the
light
going
north,
it
has
to
bounce
off
the
back
wall,
bounce
down
back
off
the
surface
of
the
of
the
parking
deck
and
bounce
into
the
the
windows
of
the
residential
building.
So
it
will
be
significantly
attenuated
inside
the
building.
I
All
right
should
I
move
on
last
issue,
and
this
is
a
we
did
a
quick
photometric
analysis.
I
think
this
was
included
in
our
in
our
packet.
We
just
added
some
color
just
to
emphasize.
This
is
where
the
the
light
zone
is,
and
I
think
the
calculations
are
all
showing
you
know
basically
zero
north
of
the
north
of
the
wall,
and
then
last
issue
is
more
just
a
quirk
of
of
where
the
alley
got
poured
and
where
our
property
line
is
than
anything
else.
I
So
this
is
our.
This
is
our
situation
right
now,
so
this
is
the
edge
of
the
alley
pavement,
but
you
can
see
that
there
is
a
pretty
significant
difference
between
where
our
property
line
ends
and
where
the
alley
pavement
starts,
and
so
my
view
is
that
and
we
are
willing
to
provide
the
landscaping
in
these
areas
on
the
public
right-of-way,
essentially
within
the
alley
outside
of
our
property
line,
we
may
have
a
extra
charge
to
do
that,
but
we
think
it
would
look
really
silly
to
just
stop
at
our
property
line
here.
I
So
I'll
I'll
go
back
up
to
this
diagram
and
show
you
what
kind
of
visually
what
we're
talking
about
so
again,
our
our
same
this
guy's,
getting
a
lot
of
he's,
been
a
lot
of
action
today.
I
So
this
is
the
situation
we're
talking
about,
so
the
dark
green
is
where
our
property
line
ends
and
then
the
light
green
is
essentially
now
open
dirt
to
the
south
of
the
city's
alley
paving.
I
And
we
will,
we
will
maintain
it.
B
I
Understood,
I
don't
think
claire
kettle
camp
was
able
to
make
it
to
this
meeting.
Claire
is
our
landscape
architect,
but
oh
you
are
here.
Okay,
thank
you
claire.
I
don't
know
claire.
Do
you
want
to
you
want
to
speak
to
the
plantings
here.
K
Right
so
there's
no
shrubs
or
woody
plants
that
would
grow
into
the
alley
and
the
only
thing
that
we're
proposing
is
an
evergreen
ground
cover
that
gets
10
to
12
inches
tall,
it's
drought,
tolerant
and
shade,
tolerant
for
the
north
side
of
that
wall.
But
it's
a
very
tidy
plant
that
needs
little
maintenance.
J
J
We
don't
plow
our
alleys
if
somebody
or
I'm
not
sure,
if
anybody
there
has
any
contract
with
any
contractor
just
to
to
for
snow
removal
there,
but
any
damage
to
that
too
again,
your
tenants
or
anybody
else
around
there
will
be
going
to
you
for
that
and
the
city
wouldn't
be
liable.
I
Understood,
there's
there's
no
access
for
our
tenants
from
the
back
of
the
building,
the
only
access
from
the
back
of
the
building
that
you
see
here.
This
is
our
access
for
trash
removal,
so
the
trash
receptacles,
the
the
containers,
do
get
pushed
out
here
for
pickup
and
then
they
get
pushed
back
inside
inside
the
property
line.
So
but
the
tenants
are
not
using
this
access.
This
is
really
only
a
service
entrance.
L
Okay,
another
concern
is
rodent
control.
There
any
thought
into
dealing
with
rodents
burrowing
in.
K
Well,
the
city
of
chicago:
it's
a
hard
thing
to
do.
They
treat
alleys
in
chicago
with
peppermint
oil.
If
there
is
any
evidence
of
rodents,
you
know
blurry
into
foundations,
but
I
I
get
more
on
the
north
side,
so
I'd
love
to
grow,
something
like
catnip,
but
I
can't
because
I
don't
have
enough
sunlight
for
it.
E
So,
just
just
I
know
that
you
said
it's
like
10
to
12
inches
anything
over
eight
inches.
If
it
came
up
that
there
were,
there
was
rodent,
activity
would
fall
on
you
to
make
sure
that
you're
maintaining
that
area
and
it's
going
to
be
treated
for
any
road
activity
and
anything
over
eight
inches
could
potentially
increase
that
because
of
course,
they
can
hide
under
there
and
everything.
E
So
you
have
to
maintain
that
area
and
keep
an
eye
on
it
to
make
sure
that
it
isn't
harborage
for
rodent
activity,
and
then
I
think
you're
likely
to
you
know
you
might
have
some
issues
with
neighbors
across
the
alley.
Plowing
snow
up
against
your
vegetation
and
stuff.
So
you
might
have
to
make
sure
that
you're
being
in
the
spring
so
that
you
can
keep
that
area
maintained.
J
Along
with
that,
just
being
in
the
alley
to
be
mindful
of
all
the
debris,
that's
going
to
be
there
and
all
the
paper
that
could
get
caught
there.
I
would
just
you
know,
make
sure
you
you
plant
something
that
would
be
easily
maintainable
as
far
as
debris
goes.
K
K
E
I
would
just
make
sure
that
that
staff
has
a
plan
to
keep
an
eye
on
that
area
and
when,
when
it's
new,
when
everything
is
pregnant
and
everybody
is
thinking
about
it
likely,
it
won't
be
an
issue.
But
you
know
a
year
from
now
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
now,
when
people
aren't
thinking
about
plants
at
the
alley,
there
still
needs
to
be
a
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
maintaining
that.
I
A
All
right,
so,
I
think
the
concerns
regarding
landscaping
and
rodent
control
are
noted,
and
I
think
david
and
team
understand
that
if
there
are
problems
with
this
section
of
the
property,
it
is
their
problem.
So
I
will
let's
make
sure
that
that
is
noted
in
the
minutes.
A
Okay,
just
confirming
there
are
no
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
speak.
I
have
not
seen
any
messages
in
the
chat
all
right
david,
any.
I
So
if
you
remember
what
this
condition
was
prior
to
our
construction,
cje
was
in
the
former
grocery
store
building
and
there
was
a
six
foot
fence
all
the
way
around
the
property,
with
a
movable
gate,
so
cj's
property
was
pretty
secure
and
now
the
the
initial
plan
for
this
was
to
put
the
movable
arm
gates
both
on
the
east
and
on
the
west
side
of
this,
for
access
to
the
upper
and
lower
parking
structures.
I
That
was
that,
will
you
know
prevent
casual
drivers
from
driving
in
it's
not
a
particularly
secure
way
to
keep
people
who
have
an
idea
to
do
some.
Do
some
mischief
out
of
either
parking
structure
and
I
think
for
the
lower
level
parking
structure,
we're?
Okay.
With
that,
it's
it's
essentially
going
into
a
lower
level
parking
garage.
There
will
be
video
cameras
there
there'll
be
lighting.
Our
thought
is
that
that's
likely
to
be
a
pretty
reasonable
deterrent
on
the
upper
level.
I
Where
you
know,
cje
is
essentially
a
eight
to
eight
to
four
or
eight
to
three
thirty
operation.
While
we
have
cameras
in
this
area,
there
won't
necessarily
be
staff
attending
to
this
upper
deck.
To
keep
an
eye
on
it-
and
you
know
I
live
in
evanston.
We
all
read
about
all
the
catalytic
converter
thefts
that
that
have
been
happening
recently.
I
Cj's
buses
have
catalytic
converters
on
them
and
in
their
temporary
location,
where
they've
been
parking.
These
buses
during
the
construction
they've
had
a
number
of
them
stolen.
So
it's
you
know
incredibly
aggravating.
They
have
clients,
they
need
to
serve
and
they
get
out
in
the
morning
and
they
they
can't
move
the
bus
because
it's
been
damaged.
I
So
it's
a
problem
and
we'd
like
to
provide
a
more
secure
solution
for
cje,
so
that
that
you
know
everybody
can
be
confident
that
the
that
the
buses
have
not
been
damaged
overnight,
so
we
had
originally
thought
about
adding
a
rolling
grate
to
this
side
of
the
building.
So
this
is
a
rendering
of
what
that
might
look
like.
So
here's
here's
our
residential
lobby
entrance.
So
this
this
is
the
residential
lobby.
We've
got
a
little
art
program
that
we're
planning
the
the
sign
band
around
the
building.
I
This
is
the
balcony
for
the
second
floor,
and
the
thought
would
be
that
we
would
provide
some
gates
for
people
on
either
side
of
the
structure,
and
then
there
would
be
just
a
remote,
controlled
rolling
grate.
That
cje
would
control
that
could
keep
they
could
keep
closed
when
staff
is
not
available
there.
The
problem
with
this
configuration
and
I'll
skip
over
the
rest
of
these
renderings,
because
they're
all
pretty
they're
all
pretty
similar,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
nice
design.
I
think
it.
I
I
Because
of
where
we
have,
to
put
it
basically
behind
the
the
beam
that
holds
up
that
balcony
space,
the
device
requires
17
inches
of
space,
and
then
there
is
a
five
inch
overrun
of
the
rolling
grade
itself
and
there's
that's
that's
the
way
the
machine
is
made
you
it
won't
retract
any
further
than
that.
I
So
there's
always
going
to
be
this
five
inch,
even
though
it's
it's
a
little
bit
flexible,
but
it's
it's
still
hanging
down
that
level,
and
so
that
would
squeeze
the
the
opening
height
down
below
11
feet
here,
when
our
zoning
requirement
is
11
foot
10.,
so
we've
explored
a
number
of
options.
We've
explored
swing
gates.
You
know
that
would
open
this
way.
I
Part
of
the
challenge
with
swing
gates
with
this
plan
configuration.
So
this
is
a
this
is
a
planned
view
of
the
overall
entrance
to
the
complex.
So
here
is
so.
This
is
the
west
apron.
This
is
the
this.
Is
the
sidewalk
in
front.
Here's
the
here's,
the
residential
building
entrance,
those
two
columns.
I
We
have
this
angle
for
the
parking
deck.
So
if
we
put
our
swing
here,
it
would
have
to
swing
about
120
degrees,
and
we
would
potentially
be
blocking
off
that
pedestrian
access.
We
could
probably
swing
it
this
way.
I
guess
we
could
swing
it
out
and
have
it
swing
out
this
way,
we
could
do
something
similar
here
and
swing
out
visually.
I
I
think,
that's
not
as
good
a
solution.
I
We've
explored
something
that
looks
like
a
bifold
closet
door
that
has
a
swing
element
here
and
it
basically
sort
of
opens
and
collapses
on
this
side.
The
the
problem
is:
this
is
a
big
enough
opening
that
I
think
the
initial
proposal
is
is
still
probably
the
best,
the
best
design
for
the
building
and
the
most
reasonable
and
cost
effective
for
for
what
we've
got
this.
This
isn't
fundamentally
about
money.
This,
in
my
view,
is
a
is
a
design
question.
I
So
my
question
for
all
of
you
is:
you
know,
I'm
willing
to
go
back
to
plan
commission
and
talk
about
this,
but
I
wanted
to
get
your
take
on
that
first
and
see
what
you
think
about
this.
A
David,
I'm
sure
staff
has
a
ton
of
opinions
about
this,
but
because
this
isn't
part
of
our
we're
still
in
the
dapper
meeting
format,
and
it
wasn't
on
the
agenda,
I
think
I'll
ask
that.
Maybe
you
just
if
you
could
share
this.
I
think
michael
has
this.
If
maybe
michael,
you
could
circulate
it
to
staff
for
feedback
with
the
cc
to
david,
and
then
he
can
get
the
feedback.
I
A
He
needs
understood
yeah,
and
then
it
will
be
a
little
more
expeditious
too,
for
you,
since
staff
wasn't
may
not
have
been
prepared
to
talk
about
that
today
makes
sense,
okay,
so,
but
back
to
the
items
for
the
minor
adjustment.
Is
there
any
further
comments
or
questions?
Otherwise,
I
will
ask
that
somebody
make
a
motion.
F
H
H
F
A
A
second
all,
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
aye,
wonderful,
okay,
everybody
have
a
great
thanksgiving.
We
do
not
have
a
meeting
next
week
and
we
will
meet
again
on
the
8th
december
8th.