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Tristan
hi
jensen,
hi
jones.
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Okay,
curtis.
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Okay
motion
passes.
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I
I
have,
let's
see
gertis
and
ingrid,
I
didn't
have
any
verbals
from
them.
I
think
ingrid
was
maybe
absent
last
time,
so
I
presented
abstain.
A
Okay
not
yet
well
looks
like
we
gotta,
we
got
a
majority
there,
so
let's
keep
going
2715
herd
avenue
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant
on
any
updates.
A
I
will
take
a
few
minutes
of
public
comment
if
you
already
spoke
last
time
and
have
are
planning
to
say
the
same
thing
or
something
very
similar,
please
keep
in
mind
your
comments
and
your
the
information
has
been
put
on
the
record.
A
So
I'd
ask
if,
when
you
put
a
note
in
to
chat
to
me
in
the
zoom
chat
box,
to
sign
up
for
comment,
you
keep
that
in
mind,
because
we
do
have
a
very
full
agenda
and
a
limited
time
to
have
our
meeting
and
and
this
this
will
go
to
the
playing
commission,
planning
and
development
of
the
city
council.
So
there
will
be
other
opportunities
for
for
comment
so
so.
A
K
Hi
everybody,
this
is
chuck
marliss
again,
I'm
the
owner
of
kenston
schools.
Nice
to
see
you
all
again,
thanks
for
forwarding
us
to
the
following
week.
We
did
present
at
last
last
wednesday's
dapper
meeting.
We,
we
did
have
another
follow-up
meeting
with
engineering
yesterday
and
we
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
a
lot
of
the
issues,
mainly
parking
and
you
know,
impervious
nature
of
the
site.
K
Rooftop
playground,
other
site
improvements,
other
you
know,
community
benefits
and
all
that
so
I'll
just
touch
on
some
of
those
things
and
then
I'll
continue
to
take
any
other
questions
that
I
have,
and
hopefully
we
can.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time
because
we
did
have
last
week
as
well-
and
I
know
you
do
have
a
full,
a
full
lineup
behind
us.
K
So
some
of
the
things
we
did
discuss
with
with
staff
with
regard
to
with
traffic
is
that
one
of
the
things
recommended
to
us
was
that
we
limit
our
our
egress
out
onto
herd
street.
At
the
same
time,
that
herd
is
a
one-way.
K
So
while
we
may
allow
our
families
and
staff
to
come
into
the
the
parking
lot
southbound
into
the
parking
lot
during
the
hours
of,
I
think
it's
8
30
9
30
a.m
and
3
to
4
p.m.
They
will
be
required
to
utilize
the
alley
and
utilize
the
alley.
Only
at
those
two
times
the
rest
of
the
time
they'll
be
asked
to
utilize
herd
for
ingress
and
egress.
K
We
can
do
that
a
couple
of
different
ways:
we're
not
sure
how
it's
best
to
do
it,
definitely
with
signage
and
perhaps
a
gate
back
at
the
alley.
We're
also
more
than
happy
to
you,
know,
plow
and
maintain
that
portion
of
the
alley
that
we'd
be
using.
You
know
when
the
snow,
when
the
snow
does
fall,
we
will
have
snow
cleaning,
crews
coming
to
our
school,
to
do
all
our
sidewalks
to
do
the
driveway
to
salt
and
such
and
I'd
be
happy
to
have
them.
K
Do
do
that
section
of
the
alley
as
they're
doing
the
work
for
kensington
on
our
property?
You
know
I'd
like
to
note
that
if
we
do
enter
into
that
kind
of
agreement,
you
know
we'd
kind
of
be
working
on
public
property,
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
You
know
the
authority
to
do
so,
and
you
know
there
may
be,
and
just
for
the
for
the
homeowners
that
do
live
right
behind
there
just
for
their
edification.
K
There
may
be
some
sometimes
that
there
might
be
some
snow
up
against
their
garage
doors.
It
won't
be
in
the
alley,
but
there
might
be
a
little
bit
up
against
the
garage
doors,
but
I
can
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
each
of
those
homeowners
on
a
one-on-one
basis.
K
Some
other
things
that
we'd
like
to
you
know
that
we
talked
about
that
we'd
be
happy
to
do.
Is
you
know
providing
speed
bumps
in
that
alley?
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
alley
being
kind
of
a
thoroughfare
during
those
peak
times
of
school
drop
off
and
pick
up.
Kensington
would
be
happy
to
offer
speed
bumps
and
a
stop
sign
at
the
alley
as
well,
because
we
we've
there's
been
some
talk
about.
You
know.
K
Moms
and
dads
kind
of
coming
down
that
alley
pretty
quickly
during
drop
off
and
pick
up
and
just
kind
of
pulling
out
onto
park,
place
pretty
quickly.
So
we'd,
you
know
be
happy
to
make
those
kinds
of
amendments.
Aside
from
aside
from
traffic,
you
know
we
still.
You
know
my
traffic
advisor
michael
worthman,
who
wasn't
able
to
be
here
tonight
with
kloa.
K
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
evanston's
traffic
engineer
and
they
were
you
know
pretty
much
in
a
consensus
that,
while
traffic
is
pretty,
is
pretty
tight
during
that
you
know
half
hour
of
overlap
or
45
minutes
of
overlap,
the
rest
of
the
time
there
really
isn't
much
overlap.
So
with
these
measures
in
place,
he
felt
and
the
rest
of
those
on
the
on
the
call,
I
think,
felt
that
we
were
in
in
pretty
good
shape.
K
You
know.
Moving
on,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
rooftop
playground.
There
was
some
opportunity
just
to
discuss.
You
know
what
that
should
look
like.
There's
some
some
community
concern
relative
to
it's.
You
know
it's
noise
creation.
It's
you
know
it's
appearance,
michael!
I
did.
I
sent
you
some
images.
If
you
could
share
them,
I'd
love
to
show
them
to
to
all
that
are
here,
so
we
do
know
that
you
know
the
sound
transmission
would
be
less
if
up
on
a
roof
than
if
down
at
grade.
K
You
know
if
we
were
to
have
a
you
know
at
grade
playground
as
we
have
in
some
of
our
other
locations,
and
we
do
plan
on
significantly
planting.
K
You
know,
trees
and
shrubs
to
not
only
screen,
for
you
know,
you
know
any
kind
of
visual
sight
of
that
rooftop
play
structure,
but
also
we
do
know
that
that
would
you
know,
help
a
lot
with
sound
transmission,
so
we're
planning
on
unplanting
some
some
trees
that'll
last
year
round
up
there,
both
you
know,
evergreen
and
deciduous.
K
We
talked
a
little
bit
more
about
you
know
removing
any
of
the
any
of
the
sidewalks,
and
you
know
trying
to
make
that
site
a
little
less
hard.
We
agreed
that
kind
of
keeping
the
sidewalks
where
they
are,
there's
that
one
sidewalk,
that
is
the
sidewalk
that
comes
off
the
south
side
of
the
building
and
and
extends
over
to
the
west
sidewalk
on
herd,
can
be
eliminated.
K
So
we'll
be
able
to
take
that
off
the
plan
and
we
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
having
some
of
the
sidewalks
be
permeable
pavers.
So
we're
going
to
explore
that
and
see
what
that
looks.
Like
aside
from
that,
you
know,
there's
some
other
discussion
regarding
dumpster
location.
You
know
we
feel
fairly
confident
that
the
dumpster
will
be
cleaned
out.
You
know
multiple
times
a
week
from
the
the
refuse
company
that
was
the
the
spot
that
staff
engineering
thought
it
could
go.
It
was
best
best
placed
there.
K
We
talked
about
the
the
bike
rack,
we're
gonna,
move
the
bike
rack
up
to
the
front
entrance
at
herd,
just
so
those
that
are
utilizing
bikes
and
maybe
have
a
you
know.
A
child
carrier
in
the
back
or
any
kind
of
appendage
will
have
more
space
and
it'd
be
more
visible,
it'll
be
closer
to
the
front
entrance
as
well,
so
it'll
be
on
either
side
of
that
front
entrance.
That
heard,
and
I'm
trying
to
think
if
anything
else,
if
there's
any
really
new
developments,
nothing
nothing.
A
C
C
I
also
liked
the
way
that
we
did
the
traffic
flow
in
and
out
of
the
play
out
of
the
parking
lot.
I
think
that
was
a
good
compromise
and
by
exiting
into
the
alley,
but
allowing
only
right
turns
into
the
alley
the
traffic
in
the
alley.
The
section
of
the
alley
that
has
traffic
should
be
greatly
reduced,
and
I
don't
expect
it
to
have
that
large
of
an
impact
for
the
the
block.
L
Johanna,
can
you
hear
me
now?
I
can
hear
you
gary
yay
yay,
just
on
the
rooftop
noise
there.
We
also
have
an
ordinance
that
limits
mechanical
equipment
noise
to
55
decibels.
It
does
on
these
newer
new
projects.
We
have
had
issues
with
that.
So
in
designing
this,
you
should
be
considering
both
screening
and
sound
attenuation
for
those
mechanical
equipment.
L
Just
to
note
that
this
was
part
of
our
staff
comments
you
know
early
on
is
that
we
do
require
a
construction
management
plan
for
this.
For
this
project.
It
would
detail
the
logistics
and
management
of
the
project
and
that
we
would
need
that
prior
to
demolition
activity,
starting,
it
is
probably
a
six
to
eight
week
process
until
we
get
an
approved
plan.
So
please
put
that
into
your
your
project,
scheduling
and
that's
about
it.
So.
K
Thank
you
yeah.
I
failed
to
mention.
I'm
also
joined
today
by
lance
lauderdale,
he's
the
architect
and
general
contractor.
So
hopefully,
lance
is
making
some
notes
of
this.
We
do
put
our
our
mechanical
units
up
on
the
roof.
It's
just
a
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
best
practice
of
ours
to
get
things
off
the
ground
and
we'll
we'll,
you
know,
make
a
point
to
make
sure
that
we
reach
those
decibel
levels
that
are,
you
know,
acceptable
to
the
city.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
hearing
from
some
of
the
residents
in
there
is
just
you
know
during
construction.
You
know
where,
where
are
the
contractors
going
to
park,
whether
the
truck
routes?
What
are
the
schedule?
Those
are
the
things
that
we'll
address
in
the
construction
management
plan
prior
to
permit
issuance.
A
All
right,
if
there's
no
more
staff
comments,
I'm
going
to
take
some
public
comment.
I
have
one
two.
Three,
four
five
seven
people
signed
up
for
public
comment,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
that
you
keep
your
comments
to
a
minute
and
a
half.
I
will
keep
track
and
I
will
let
you
know
when
your
minute
and
a
half
has
has
gone
on.
So
the
first
speaker
is
alissa
jamison.
F
Great
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
evanston
staff
for
sort
of
setting
expectations
about
what
is
and
not
addressed
in
this
meeting.
F
I
think
we
are
still
struggling
because
we
are
concerned
about
this
project
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
concerns
are
heard
and
addressed
by
mr
marliss,
which
he
certainly
has
responded
to
some,
but
not
all
of
the
things
that
we
are
concerned
about
so
because
public
comment
is
allowed.
We
are
taking
this
opportunity
to
talk
through
this.
F
You
know:
we've
sent
a
letter
to
sort
of
echo
the
feelings
of
the
immediate
neighborhood,
and
this
project
has
raised
significant
concerns
for
us.
You
know.
Ultimately,
we
believe
that
this
development
is
unsuitable
for
the
location
that
it's
in,
and
it
really
is
a
business
and
not
a
school,
and
we
think
it's
important
to
to
actually
point
that
out,
one
that
we're
not
even
sure,
actually
fits
sort
of
the
goals
of
the
community
of
the
evanston
community,
based
on
a
lot
of
the
equity
work.
F
That's
been
done
and
the
tuition
price
tag
that
goes
along
with
this
business.
Our
letter,
though,
really
kind
of
focuses
on
concerns
around
school
goer
safety
traffic
patterns.
Just
to
note,
district
65
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
actually
reroute
traffic
put
out
additional
bump
outs
effectively.
What
we
would
be
doing
if
this
were
to
move
forward
was
to
effectively
undo
all
of
what
district
65
did.
F
You
know.
We
certainly
understand
that
there
needs
to
be
something
that
goes
there.
We
have
concerned.
We
have
concerned
that
this
particular
project
is
incompatible
with
this
site
and
would
really
adversely
impact
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
we're
really
saying
that
we
don't
think
it
should
be
approved.
As
I
said,
traffic
patterns,
property
values,
quality
of
life
and
really
the
families
that
live
in
this
vicinity
are
really
concerned
about
this
project,
moving
forward
really
about
its
size
in
relation
to
the
lot
size,
and
we
have.
F
Okay,
so
I
will
just
stop
there
and
then
yield
to
the
next
person
list
that
I
think
will
take
us
through
farther
down
that
list
of
concerns.
Great.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah
hi,
this
is
adam
prager.
I
I
live
at
2720
lincolnwood
on
the
alley
right
behind
the
church
and
I
think,
as
alyssa
said,
there
are
probably
about
75
residents
who
have
grave
concerns
about
this
development
and-
and
while
I
think
you
know,
we
appreciate
some
of
the
items
that
are
being
addressed,
that
we
heard
in
this
conversation.
J
That
pales
compared
to
to
what
would
need
to
happen.
This
is
this
is
incompatible
and
and
what
we
heard
is
sort
of
rounding
error.
J
The
my
understanding
is
is
that
dapper
is
all
about
reviewing
proposed
developments
to
make
sure
they're
compatible
with
adjacent
uses,
in
addition
to
looking
at
zoning,
but
really
going
beyond
zoning
and
the
magnitude
and
the
impact
of
what
this
will
have
on
the
surrounding
area,
the
residents
and
others
is
just
significant.
J
J
Those
problems
that
were
fairly
recently
approved,
in
other
words,
the
the
willard
expansion,
the
traffic
patterns,
the
disruption,
etc
that
this
neighborhood
is
already
going
through.
Still
working
with,
as
as
residents
grapple
with,
this
visitors
are
having
a
hard
time
figuring
out
the
traffic
patterns
and
it's
it
can
be
kind
of
chaotic,
especially
in
the
shadow
of
an
elementary
school
to
have
to
consider
going
through.
A
version
of
this
again
in
the
same
neighborhood
on
the
exact
same
streets
seems
untenable.
J
J
Thing
so
it
sounds
like
the
city
is
encouraging
kensington
to
go
down
the
alley
instead
narrow
alley
blind
spots.
The
city's
already
said
that
it
doesn't
maintain.
The
alley,
doesn't
do
snow
removal.
So
basically
it
sounds
like
you're
saying
we
would
entrust
an
outside
business
to
to
ensure
the
safety
of
the
residents
and
those
that
may
have
to
access
that
alley.
The
other
thing
I'll
mention
is
that
the
traffic
study
that
kensington
has
done
it
seems
inaccurate.
J
It
may
be
dated
and
it
doesn't
even
begin
to
take
into
account,
what's
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
alley,
so
significant
impact
on
do
traffic
congestion,
real
safety
risk.
These
are
the
very
things
that
zoning
zoning
code
special
use.
Mr.
A
And
if
anybody
I
don't,
I
don't
want
anyone
to
feel
being
that
they're
cut
off.
But
if
you
have
more
to
say
please
please
send
us
public
comments
and
we
can
we're
happy
to
send
them
on
to
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council.
N
J
O
A
O
It's
massively
big,
it's
very
tall
and
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
evanston
zoning
ordinance,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
the
evanston
comprehensive
plan,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
they
ask
you
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
the
building
is
compatible
both
in
height
and
mass
for
this
particular
site.
It's
a
daycare
facility.
It's
a
two-story
daycare
facility.
I
think
if
you
look
at
most
daycare
facilities
and
if
you
look
at
most
of
kensington's
daycare
facilities,
they're
a
single-story
building,
that's
probably
for
good
reason.
O
You
don't
want
to
be
bringing
toddlers
and
infants
and
young
children
up
to
a
second
floor.
You
certainly
don't
want
to
bring
them
up
to
a
rooftop
playground.
I
think
the
comment
was
made
that
it's
great
having
the
playground
on
the
roof,
because
it
gives
more
green
space,
but
look
at
this
site
plan
where's
the
green
space.
O
There's
no
opportunity
for
that's
the
only
reason
the
playground's
up
on
the
roof.
If
you
take
a
look
at
all
of
the
exceptions
that
are
being
asked
for,
they
all
speak
to
increases
in
the
lot
area
increase
in
the
impervious
site
coverage,
you
know
increases
in
the
building
height.
They
speak
to
the
issue
that
this
building
is
not
appropriate
for
the
site.
It's
oversized,
it's
massively
big.
It
takes
up
much
more
of
the
site
just
on
a
footprint
standpoint.
O
It
takes
up
more
of
the
site
than
the
church
did
originally
and
and
that's
a
special
use,
so
it
while
steps
been
taken,
maybe
to
to
mitigate
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
had
it
does
not
hit
at
the
core
issue,
which
is
this
building
is
not
appropriately
cited
for
this
residential
neighborhood.
If
it
was
on,
you
know,
central
street.
O
A
Thank
you
next
up,
rich
just
to
make
you
just
make
clear
you
what
you
were
skipping.
N
No,
I
was
giving
my
time
to
adam,
but
he
didn't
want
it.
So
did.
N
N
You
know
one
thing
with
our
communities
that
has
a
community
feel,
but
putting
that
another
building
across
from
school
doesn't
make
the
most
sense
to
me.
I'm
also
wondering
you
know:
has
any
consideration
been
done
about?
There's
nothing
about
the
sewers,
because
you
know
every
time
it
rains
here,
our
street
floods-
and
I
don't
know-
I
don't
see
anything
in
there
about
the
sewage.
N
A
N
A
C
Absolutely
so,
between
1985
and
2010,
the
city
invested
210
million
dollars
into
the
sewer
system.
What
they
did
is
they
built
a
separate
sewer
system
which
is
not
purely
a
stormwater
system.
It's
still
considered
a
combined
system
that
helps
mitigate
the
impact
of
large
rainstorms
and
carries
water
to
the
mwrd
separately
in
areas
where
that
system,
the
relief
sewer
system
is
called,
did
not
go
such
as
in
this
particular
space.
C
C
Now
this
building,
because
it
is
a
commercial
building,
will
need
to
comply
with
the
city's
storm
water
control
ordinance,
which
means
that
they
have
to
retain
their
storm
water
on
site
and
release
it
at
that
same
very
slow
rate
into
the
sewer
system.
That
will
prevent
the
sewer
system
from
being
overwhelmed.
C
So
this,
the
building
going
in
here,
has
no
impact
on
the
performance
of
the
sewer
system,
as
the
sewer
system
is
protected
by
restriction,
and
it
will
also
have
no
impact
on
the
street
flooding.
That's
purely
a
function
of
how
the
sewer
system
is
designed
to
prevent
basement
backups.
This
is
similar
to
what
a
lot
of
communities
use,
including
chicago
and
skokie,
and
is
considered
a
pretty
innovative
but
standard
way
of
managing
storm
water
when
you
don't
want
to
build
an
exorbitantly
large
sewer
system,
so
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
now.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
overland
flooding
issues
in
this
area.
I
don't
think
this
building
is
really
going
to
have
much
of
an
impact.
It
just
happens
to
be
that
the
soils
in
this
area
are
not
particularly
good
in
general
at
absorbing
storm
water,
but
because
this
building
is
required
to
maintain
all
of
its
stormwater
on
site.
It
should
not
impact
the
surrounding
properties.
A
Sorry,
I
can't
always
hear
when
people
are
trying
to
say
something
so
a
couple
more
people
leslie
did
you
have
any
comments
to
make.
P
Yeah
so
from
bird
friendly
evanston,
I
did
write
to
the
developer.
I'm
just
I'm
not
clear
from
the
drawings
on
the
that
are
submitted
with
the
packet.
P
Whether
the
windows
are
a
problem
for
bird
strikes
in
this
bird
strikes
are
very
upsetting
to
children
in
particular,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
that,
to
the
extent
that
windows
reflect
foliage,
trees
and
and
on
rooftops,
if
they're,
especially
if
there's
foliage
on
rooftops,
you
know
like
plantings
that
attracts
birds
and
you
often
get
bird
strikes.
So
I
I
would
love
to
understand
better.
P
It
looks
from
some
of
the
photos
as
if
there
might
be
a
grill
on
the
outside
of
some
of
the
windows,
which
would
solve
my
problem
as
to
those
those
windows.
So
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
have
some
communication
separately
with
the
developer
about
the
status
of
bird
bird
collisions
thanks.
Q
I
may
give
my
time
to
alyssa
here
she
seemed
to
be
cut
short
a
little
bit
because
most
of
my
comments
have
been
stated,
and
I
won't
restate
them.
It
just
seems
entirely
premature
to
be
considering
designing
and
planning
allowances
to
a
commercial
for-profit
business
that
is
ill-fitting
and
shouldn't
be
put
into
a
residential
neighborhood
in
the
very
first
place.
Q
I
almost
found
it
laughable
to
think
that
one
was
going
to
use
a
small
alley
for
commercial
purposes
for
for
profit
business
as
opposed
to
the
residential
contractors
and
service
providers,
the
city
trucks
that
go
through
the
alleys
commonly
and
the
fact
the
kids
play
in
the
alley.
So
it
just
seems
entirely
to
be
an
ill-advised
project
as
a
30-year
resident
at
2600
heard
is
just
inappropriate,
but
I'll
I'll.
Let
the
remainder
of
my
time
go
to
lesser
anyone
else
that
was
cut
a
bit
short.
A
R
Thanks
for
the
time
just
a
couple
things,
I
would
reiterate
what
most
everyone
said
about
traffic
the
size
of
the
building.
I
did
want
to
ask
a
few
questions,
though
about
dapper.
I
think
some
of
what
happened
last
week
with
a
lot
of
us
is
you
have
a
lot
of
neophytes.
We
don't
understand
how
this
works,
as
mike
just
alluded
to.
R
It
seems
like
this
is
a
foregone
conclusion
that
dapper's
gone
down
the
path
with
private
meetings,
with
the
developer,
you're,
helping
them
fix
this
thing
and
that
it's
just
sort
of
rubber
stamped
and
then
moved
on
to
the
next
thing.
I
think
why
you're
getting
a
lot
of
people
last
week
on
the
call,
as
well
as
this
week
on
the
calls
we
have
a
sense
of
like
this,
is
just
going
to
happen
and
we're
sort
of
feeling
quite
helpless.
R
R
We
all
are-
and
this
is
very
important
to
us-
some
of
these
folks
have
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
55
years
and
to
have
a
minute
and
a
half
to
sort
of
be
heard,
is
kind
of
where
you're
going
to
feel
a
lot
of
anxiety
across
the
zoom
call.
Secondly,
I
was
curious
to
know:
does
dapper?
Does
the
dapper
committee
actually
go
out
and
visit
the
site?
R
Is
that
it
just
yes
or
no?
Do
you
visit
the
site
or
do
you
just
look
at
plans.
A
R
Okay,
if
you
were
to
visit
the
site,
I
think
what
what
we're
reacting
to
is
the
height
of
the
building
is
taller
than
willard.
The
height
of
the
building
would
be
as
tall
as
the
peak
of
the
churches.
Now
the
setback
of
15
feet
on
the
west
side
when
all
the
homes
north
of
that
are
at
least
25
feet,
set
back
as
well
as
a
27
foot.
Setback
on
the
on
the
park
place
side
is
encroaching
on
what
is
going
to
be
a
completely
suffocating
presence.
R
So
if
you
were
to
visit
the
site
and
see
the
trees
they're
going
to
take
down
to
see
the
actual
footprint
of
the
current
building
and
then
walk
off
and
imagine
the
new
building
40
feet
tall
with
the
thing
on
top,
you
get
a
sense
of
what
we're
all
sort
of
up
in
arms
about
the
last
comment.
I'll
make
is
the
right
turn
alley
sounds
great,
but
I
guarantee,
if
you
look
at
the
plot,
that's
up
on
the
screen.
Now
that
looks
great
on
a
piece
of
paper,
but
what
people
will
do?
R
Inevitably,
I
guarantee
it
is
when
they're
going
to
come
to
drop
their
kid
off
if
you're
telling
them
to
exit
on
herd
during
those
high
times,
they're
going
to
come
in
on
from
park
place,
go
north
up
the
alley
and
enter
that
what
should
be
a
south
exit,
only
people-
I
guarantee,
will
come
in
that
entrance
in
the
morning
and
they
will
not
always
turn
right.
They
will
turn
left
and
go
north.
That's
human
nature.
We
see
it
here
in
this
neighborhood
every
morning
with
people
cutting
through
the
alleys.
R
I
live
right
on
the
alley
right
across
from
the
church,
my
kids
like
to
play
basketball
in
the
alley.
I
know
they're
not
supposed
to,
but
you
show
me
an
alley
in
this
town
that
doesn't
have
a
kid
playing
it
at
some
point
in
time,
and
I
guess
we
can
talk
about
that.
This
shouldn't
come
down
to
enforcement.
There
should
be
no
enforcement
needed.
It
should
be
designed
appropriately
for
the
neighborhood.
If
it's
designed
appropriate
for
the
neighborhood,
there
would
be
no
need
for
police
enforcement
on
traffic
patterns
etc.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
S
Hi,
I'm
mary
skinner,
I
live
at
2704
lincolnwood
and
my
garage
would
be
the
the
first
garage
that
opens
along
the
alleyway
as
you
would
enter
off
of
park
street,
and
so
my
question
kind
of
segues
off
of
tim's
comments.
You
know
we
experience
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
in
the
alley
when
school
is
in
session
and
they
currently
use
that
alley
to
enter
the
parking
lot
to
drop
off
kids,
it's
kind
of
an
easy
thoroughfare.
S
So
when
principal
michael
redesigned
the
traffic
patterns,
I
might
express
my
concerns
in
the
end,
the
city
put
up
signs
for
no
through
traffic.
So
my
question
is
you
know
what
I've
called
the
city
I've
called
31.
I've
asked
them
to
enforce
that
no
through
traffic,
but
what
what
recourse
do
we
have
as
residents
to
keep
that
as
a
no
through
no
through
traffic
traffic
pattern,
because
tim's
absolutely
right?
S
People
come
through
that
alley
that
it's
a
very
consistent
pattern
to
break
those
habits
that
are
there
to
keep
them
from
entering
the
parking
lot
on
the
north
side
of
the
daycare
center.
Through
that
one
way,
only
I
guarantee
you,
unless
you
have
a
blue
and
white,
which
I
have
previously
requested,
be
present
and
been
denied.
S
It
will
not
be,
it
will
not
be
enforced
and
it's
very
problematic.
So
my
questions
are
around
that.
How
do
you
enforce
that?
And
how
do
you?
How
have
you
established
the
traffic
pattern
that
this
is
not
going
to
increase
the
traffic
not
only
in
the
alley,
but
unheard
in
the
whole
surrounding
neighborhood?
Just
looking
at
this
this
blueprint,
it's
a
tremendous
amount
of
cement,
there's
more
green
space
and
grass.
S
You
know
my
kids
are
getting
older,
but
have
played
in
this
alley
and
in
this
space
in
the
green
space,
that's
there
and
it's
it's
very
concerning
to
me
to
see
this
much
hardscape
going
in
behind
my
home,
especially
at
the
size
that
it's
going
to
be.
A
We
don't
respond
to
public
comment
because
it
gets
into
this
back
and
forth
of
of
right,
wrong
opinions,
facts
and
I'm
not
saying
anybody's,
saying
anything,
that's
an
opinion
and
not
a
fact.
I'm
not
just
I'm
not
trying
to
dispute
that
it's
just
the
city's
practices
that
we
generally
do
not
respond
to
public
comment
in
these
public
meetings
can.
S
A
T
A
I
it
sounds
like
what
I'm
hearing
here
is,
I
think,
there's
some
more
concerns
that
could
either
be
addressed
by
an
additional
neighborhood
meeting,
or
maybe
an
offline
conversation
with
staff
and
and
the
developer
applicant.
That
could
get
to
some
of
these
questions,
because
you
know
I-
and
I
have.
I
have
a
few
more
comments
at
the
end
of
this-
that
I
want
to
make
about
this
project.
I
haven't
said
anything
yet,
but
I
do
I.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
understands
that
this
isn't
the
be
all
end
all
this
is
just
a
staff
recommendation.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
there's
more
process
to
go
here.
Okay,
thank.
S
A
T
Let's
try
this
again.
Does
this
work
now:
okay,
yep
55
years
in
the
house
right
across
the
street
on
park
place
from
this
church,
I
bought
it
as
a
residential
neighborhood,
which
I
love.
I
did
not
land
to
live
here
in
a
business
across
the
street
from
my
house.
Why
do
I
get
the
feeling
after
listening
to
all
of
you,
that
your
team
is
on
the
buyer's
side?
You
should
be
on
the
residence
side,
we're
the
ones
who
live
here
and
it's
affecting
us.
T
A
Street
all
right,
thank
you,
helen
and
then
I
had
a
question
from
l.p
prager.
E
Yes
hi:
this
is
linda
prager.
Thank
you
for
a
few
minutes.
I
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
miss
knight
and
your
your
comments
and
those
of
the
developer
at
the
beginning
of
this
session,
suggest
that
you're
already
way
down
the
road
with
this
and
and
it
seems
like
ready
to
advance
it.
So
perhaps
the
neighbors
group
and
and
this
night-
and
maybe
this
is
what
you
were
suggesting-
need
a
little
more
clarity
on
the
next
steps
in
the
process.
E
You
know
right
in
front
of
us
right
now,
though,
we
have
a
traffic
study
dated
october
2020,
which
is
problematic
since
traffic
patterns
are
are
very
different
than
they
would
be
when
school
is
actually
in
session.
So
so
it
seems
like
there
are
a
number
of
considerations
that
really
need
to
be
taken
more
seriously.
E
The
minor
adjustments
that
the
developer
laid
out
today
seems
like
at
this
point,
you're
ready
to
call
this
a
go,
and
I
think
that's
why
you're
hearing
a
bit
of
agitation
from
the
neighbors
who
have
just
recently
been
brought
into
this.
So
if
you
could
give
us
if
perhaps
you're
planning
just
a
little
more
detail
on
where
this
goes
next
and
ultimately
at
what
phase
a
decision
is
made,
will
these
you
know
the
series
of
issues
raised
by
neighbors
that
really
go
to
the
specifics
of
the
zoning
code?
A
Sure,
okay,
so,
as
I
don't
see
anybody
else
with
questions,
so
I'm
going
to
close
public
comments,
so
a
couple
of
things
one
I
don't
know
if
people.
If
I
mentioned
this
at
the
last
meeting,
I'm
sorry
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
this
agenda
item,
because
I
always
have
to
leave
these
meetings
at
four
o'clock,
but
does
that?
Actually
I'm
gonna
stop
the
sharing
right
now.
A
A
We
have
meetings,
staff
meetings,
staff
meets
without
meet
with
applicants,
they
review
projects,
engineers
give
their
feedback,
the
planners,
get
their
feedback
and
it
usually
advances
to
some
kind
of
committee,
a
zoning
committee,
a
plan
planned
plan,
commission,
a
board
or
city
council,
but
in
evanston,
in
our
uniqueness
we
have
these
staff.
This
particular
staff
meeting
is
essentially
a
public
meeting,
so
we
solicit
feedback
from
the
public
we
get
feedback.
Certainly
many
of
us
are
evident
residents.
We
visit
the
site
this
all
the
sites
before
dapper
we're
familiar
with
the
sites.
A
We've
worked
on
properties.
There
are
projects
in
the
vicinity
of
of
everything
at
evanston's
eight
square
miles,
so
it's
it's.
It's
relatively
easy
to
visit
all
all
of
these
sites
and
be
aware
of
the
issues
and
certainly
staff
talks
to
one
another
about
different
projects
in
advance.
This
isn't
the
first
time
you
know
we
didn't
start
looking
at
this
last
week,
applications
there's
a
there's,
a
comment
period
that
we
provide
written
feedback
in
advance
of
design
and
project
review
committee
to
the
developer
and
generally
for
any
plan.
A
Development
and
alderman
hosts
a
neighborhood
meeting,
so
the
neighbors
and
residents
or
businesses
in
the
vicinity
of
any
project
can
review
or
or
see
the
project
before
it
comes
to
design
and
project
review
committee
so
design
a
project
review
committee
is
a
way
for
people
to
get
the
technical
feedback,
not
only
as
applicants
but
as
residents
or
other
stakeholders
in
the
in
the
vicinity
to
hear
staff's
feedback
on
things.
We
don't
necessarily
comment
on
or
give
feedback
on,
particular
matters
related
to
the
that
are
the
non-technical
aspects.
A
So
certainly
we
look
at
standards
for
zoning
for
special
use
for
for
variances.
We
look
at
other
technical
aspects,
building
code
fires,
fire
safety
as
well
as
the
city
engineers
mentioned
our
bigs
things
that
relate
to
stormwater
management.
Those
are
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
review
so
and
I
believe
there
was
a
comment
about
three
to
five
minutes.
The
the
guide
is
a
guide.
A
This
is
generally
they're
allowed
in
terms
of
public
comment,
but
given
the
volume
of
our
agenda
items,
you
know
we
usually
stick
to
a
minute
and
a
half
and
to
two
minutes
for
public
comment,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
a
voice,
but
I
certainly
couldn't
let
ten
people
do
five
minutes
each.
I
I
that's
why
I
suggest
some
of
the
written
comments
come
in
because
we
can
send
those
along
to
the
planning
commission.
A
So
the
next
step
for
this
particular
project
is
that
it
will
travel
to
the
plan
commission
and
they
will
review
it
and
then
from
there
it
would
travel
to
the
city
council's
planning
and
development
committee,
which
is
a
committee
that
meets
before
a
regular,
regularly
scheduled
city
council
meeting
something
you
know
I
will.
I
would
share
projects,
and
I
think
this
is
a
point
of
frustration
and,
as
many
of
us
observe,
this
staff
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
stop
a
project.
The
plan
commission
doesn't
have
an
ability
to
stop
the
project.
A
The
city
council,
that
you're
elected
officials,
that
you
know
in
our
democracy,
make
the
decisions
about
whether
a
project
is
approved
or
not.
That
power
does
not
rest
with
staff
or
an
appointed
body,
and
that's
that's
the
way
that
works
and
that
that
is
a
process
that
is
is
present
here
in
evanston,
but
I
think
we
certainly
recognize
that
there
are
some
concerns
about
the
alley.
I
was
only
here
for
a
few
minutes
at
the
last
meeting.
A
I
don't
like
the
use
of
the
alley.
I
certainly
recognize
that
child
care
is
is
an
allowed
use
in
a
residential
district,
but
this
is
a
pretty
intense
use
for
that.
So
I
do
not
like
the
use
of
the
alley
to
circulate
traffic.
I
think
that's
that
is
problematic,
and
I
don't
like
that.
Planning
and
you
know,
one
challenge
we
have
with
schools-
is
that
the
city
of
evanston
has
no
oversight
over
schools.
A
So
any
decisions
for
schools
to
expand
or
add
or
do
any
construction
projects
does
not
come
under
the
city's
jurisdiction,
our
building
official,
our
our
plan,
reviewers
our
staff.
We
don't
look
at
these
things,
it's
all
through
the
gary
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
it's
the
department
of
education
in
the
state
right.
A
Right
so
the
schools
can
make
decisions
and
make
changes
to
their
buildings,
and
we
don't.
The
city
does
not
have
any
oversight
on
that.
So
we
are
often
left
to
deal
with
the
results.
Our
engineers,
our
planning
staff,
work
to
address
sidewalks
and
streets
and
other
things,
and
certainly
the
schools,
aren't
doing
that
in
a
vacuum.
They
keep
us
in
the
loop
we
know
what's
happening.
A
We
have
no
ability
to
change
those
plans
and-
and
I
think
we
all
as
having
visited
the
site-
recognized
the
challenges
of
this,
and
I
would
agree
with
the
neighbors
that
doing
a
traffic
study
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic,
for
any
project
anywhere
in
evanston
is
is
a
is
a
little
problematic
because
the
traffic
is
completely
skewed
right
now
in
intensity
of
the
use.
So
that's
that
is
a
that
is
certainly
a
problem.
A
So
I
would
ask
if
any
other
staff
have
any
other
questions
or
comments
about
this
project,
and
if
not,
we.
I
would
like
somebody
to
make
a
motion.
C
Okay,
I
have
one
more
comment
on
the
traffic
study.
We
did
a
substantial
look
at
the
traffic
in
this
area
because
of
issues
around
the
school
with
the
traffic
and
we
did
traffic
counts.
The
city
of
evanston
did
traffic
counts
in
january
2018,
which
kloa
utilized
for
this
particular
traffic
study,
so
they
did
not
use
traffic
counts
from
october.
They
used
it
from
january
2018
when
the
traffic
was
more
representative
and
a
question
was
raised
about
how
do
I
get
the
sit,
the
police
out
there
to
do
a
ticketing
program?
C
You
talk
to
your
aldermen.
If
you
feel
that
the
police
department
has
been
unresponsive,
then
you
move
to
your
aldermen.
That
is
just
typically
how
things
are
handled
in
the
city
of
evanston
and
mostly
aldermen
are
pretty
available
for
discussions
with
residents
and
have
regular
wall
board
meetings.
For
that.
C
T
H
N
A
The
motion
passes,
the
dapper
recommends
to
plan
commission.
Do
we
have
a
date
for
plan
commission
yet.
A
A
All
right
so
I
want
to.
I
want
to
just
explain
that
again
to
all
the
residents
that
are
on
the
call
right
now,
so
there
will
be
a
notice
that
was
sent
that
will
indicate
that
the
meeting
is
on
december
9th.
But
that
means
it
may
not
be
because
we
have
too
many
agenda
items
already
there.
So
it
will
state
on
the
agenda
when
the
agenda
is
published.
H
A
Maple
avenue
1701
maple
avenue
and
909
davis
mccaffrey
interest
applicant
submits
for
a
revised
unified
business
center
sign
plan
for
church
street
plaza
plan
development
to
include
an
eliminated
channel
letter
center
identification
sign
glasses
on
vinyl
graphics
and
double
faced.
Banners
in
the
research
park
district.
V
V
Okay,
good
well,
thank
you
for,
for
letting
us
present
present
our
revised
plan
to
you.
You
know
this
is
very
very
similar
to
what
we
presented
last
time
with
some
changes
based
on
the
recommendations
that
you
guys
made
during
during
our
last
meeting.
I
think
joanna's
gonna
bring
it
up,
but
the
well.
The
first
thing
is
we
removed
from
our
unified
business
plan.
We
removed
the
wayfinding
signs
because
you
guys
were
not
in
favor
of
that
and
then
for
the
corner,
signage
on
the
corner
of
clark
and
and
maple.
V
V
So
we
we
added
the
word
plaza
at
the
bottom,
so
that
it
now
reads
church
street,
plaza
yeah.
I
think
we're.
I
think
it's
the
next
page.
V
Yes,
so
this
is
what
we
had
originally
presented
to
you,
but
based
on
your
comments,
we
updated
it
and
gave
some
options
and
hopefully
you'll
find
one
of
the
options
to
your
liking.
V
We
added
the
word
plaza
to
the
church
street
logo
so
that
now
you
can
see
that's
a
plaza
and
not
just,
and
it
doesn't
just
say,
church
straight.
We
also
added
some
color
options.
There's
a,
I
believe,
a
yellow,
and
if
you
scroll
down
some
more
there's,
there's
the
options,
there's
the
yellow
option.
V
There
is
also
a
red
option
and
a
blue
option.
You
know
we're
hoping
that
that
something
will
be
striking.
V
We
also
took
into
your
consideration
your
comment
that
you
felt
that
some
of
those
windows
are
more
of
an
architectural
design,
and
so
what
we
did
is
we
scaled
back
the
some
of
the
glass
coverings
to
reveal
the
blue
glass
on
the
corner,
and
then
we
also
added
that
in
a
yellow,
a
red
and
also
blue
options.
V
If
you
scroll
down
some
more
you'll,
see
those
options
as
well.
You
know
we're
just
trying
to
take
your
your
your
your
thoughts
and
ideas
and
try
to
make
something:
that's
agreeable
to
everyone
we
also
well.
We
didn't
make
any
changes
to
double-faced
banners
which
I
don't
think
anybody
found
disagreeable.
V
You
just
didn't
want
to
approve
them
until
you
saw
updated
windows,
glass,
signage
for
the
corner
and
then,
lastly,
since
the
wayfinding
signs
were
not
approved,
we
thought
we
would.
One
of
our
ideas
was
to
change
the
bike.
Racks
that
are
currently
currently
existing
to
a
branded
church
street
plaza
bike,
rack
yeah,
see
these
are
as
you're
scrolling.
V
These
are
some
of
the
options
for
not
covering
the
entire
corner
window,
with
different
color
options
that
that
might
be
agreeable
to,
and
then,
if
you
scroll
down
somewhere
the
last
option-
or
these
are
the
the
double-sided
banners
and
then
there's
the
the
bike
racks.
V
Currently,
there
are
several
bike
racks
on
around
church
street
plaza,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
replace
them
with
with
these
either
the
red
or
the
black
bike
racks.
That
is
more
branded
to
tie
together.
The
three
buildings
that
comprise
of
church
street
plaza
to
brand
them
and
to
let
people
know
that
no,
this
is
a
center,
it's
not
just
a
single
building.
V
In
addition,
you
know
we
just
found
out
that
I
guess
lyft
is
extending
their
their
electric
bike
program
and
but
they're
changing
it
so
that
they
have
to
be
chained
to
a
a
bike
rack
when
they're
done,
and
so
this
would
provide
space
for
for
that
project.
That's
also
going
on.
V
And
so
this
is
our
our
updated
presentation
based
on
comments,
and
you
know,
ideas
that
you
guys
presented
to
us
during
our
last
presentation.
We're
hoping
you'll
find
it
more
agreeable.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Gary
any
comments
or
feedback
you've
been
reviewing
this
the
entire
time.
L
Yeah
the
just
as
far
as
the
bike
racks.
You
know
it's
not
an
it's,
not
a
sign,
so
it's
not
applicable
to
a
ubc,
but
I
did
feel
it
was
appropriate
for
dapper
review,
so
we
left
it
in
the
packet.
I
think
the
the
final
version
of
this
would
not
include
the
would
not
include
the
bike
racks,
but
if
dapper
is
favorable,
you
know
we
can
discuss
that.
You
know
just
for
the
so
the
applicant
has
direction
on
those.
U
Can
I
can
I
comment
on
the
bike:
racks
yeah,
I'm
just
curious
from
a
staff
perspective.
If
jessica
or
scott
had
taken
a
look
at
these
and
my
my
my
you
know
as.
U
Prefer
not
to
have
bike
racks
like
this,
that
have
something
in
the
middle
right
of
where
I'm
sliding
my
bike
into,
and
so,
if
there's
a
different,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
know
we
we've
typically
had
as
a
standard
just
the
upside
down.
U
or
the
curved?
U
and
those
are
much
easier
to,
in
my
opinion,
to
lock
multiple
bikes
to
so
there
is
a
different
way
to
brand
the
bike
racks.
U
I
would
be
more
in
favor
of
those
and
then
the
other
comment
I'd
like
to
make
is
one
that
is
also
showing
up
in
the
comment
box,
which
is
that
from
a
bird-friendlier
bird
collision
standpoint
having
glass
corners
that
birds
can
see
through
is
particularly
dangerous,
and
so
a
coating
or
covering
that
covers
the
entire
window
would,
or
has
some
type
of
texturing
around.
That
corner
would
also
be
preferable
from
that
standpoint,.
B
There's
a
couple
comments
agree
with
kumar
on
the
bike
racks
there
that
often
brandon
bike,
racks
or
bike
racks
that
have
something
outside
of
the
standard.
U-Shape
are
not
as
functional
when
you
place
elements
in
the
areas
where
you'd
be
locking,
depending
on
the
locking
mechanism
for
the
bike,
it
can
make
them
not
particularly
functional
and
then,
as
far
as
the
signage
on
the
windows,
I
appreciate
the
revisions.
B
I
do
feel
that
the
the
vertical
window
elements
are
architectural
elements
on
the
building
as
part
of
the
original
design.
So
the
one
that
you
know
if
there
were
to
be
signage
on
that
corner
building
the
one
that
I
would
feel
most
comfortable
with
would
be
the
open
corner
blue,
so
that
those
last
options
presented,
then
it
at
least
matches
in
color
to
the
glass
or
spandrel
glass
that
are,
in
the
other
vertical
elements
in
the
building.
C
I
have
a
I
have
a
comment
you
know,
based
on
the
information
that
leslie
and
kumar
are
giving.
I
I
would
have
to
decide
on
the
cover
more
detailed,
covering
of
the
entire
windows
with
the
church
street
plaza
signage,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
way
that
plaza
has
been
integrated
into
the
signage
to
reduce
the
confusion
about
church
street.
But
it
seems
like
a
compromise,
then
may
be
to
scott's
point
to
have
the
signage
using
the
blue
signage,
that
more
matches
the
window
coloring
already.
B
It
can
clarify,
but
I
believe
that
that
corner
element
now
I
don't
think
those
are
our
transparent
windows.
Now
I
think
that's
those
are
theaters
behind
there,
so
I
don't
think
there's
anything
that
humans
or
birds
would
be
able
to
see
into
now.
So
I
think.
H
V
V
That's
that's
correct,
there's
nothing
behind
there.
It's
just
glass
and
it's
opaque,
so
you
can't
see
through
it,
but
there's
nothing.
On
the
other
side.
V
They're
just
going
to
replace
the
ones
that
are
currently
existing
there's
you
know,
I
believe
that
I'm
not
we
have
a.
We
have
a
drawing
that
we
can
can
provide.
That
shows
where
all
the
current
existing
ones
are.
I
believe,
there's
like
four
of
them
in
front
of
the
center
of
the
street
by
in
front
of
a
world.
V
M
U
A
I
think
I
think,
if
church
street
plaza,
I
see
paul's
on
the
on
this
call.
Maybe
paul
and
jessica
jessica
is
not
on
on
adapter
today,
but
maybe
we
could.
You
know
work
to
if
there's
some
additional
work
to
be
done
on
some
bike.
Racks,
maybe
make
them
a
little
more
unique
place.
Making
and
mccaffrey
wants
to
spend
some
money
to
to
make
some
put
some
cool
bike
racks
that
meet
the
need-
and
I
think,
there's
sometimes
really
cool
bike
racks
and
then
there's.
A
Unfortunately,
the
really
cool
bike
racks
are
sometimes
things
that,
but
cyclists
don't
want
to
lock
their
bikes
too,
because
they
know
what
makes
for
a
good
good
bike
rack
and
not
all
bike
rocks
are
are
good,
so
that
look
cool.
So
if,
if,
let's
maybe
move
that
item
separate
and
jessica
and
paul
and
anybody
else
who
wants
to
work
on
bike
racks
with
mccaffrey,
let's
do
that.
Does
that
work
for
people.
V
A
Great
okay,
wonderful,
well
jessica:
this
is
jessica's
lucky
day.
She
will
get
a
project
that
when
she
didn't
have
any
say
over
it,
the
kind
of
project
we
love
so
is
there?
Are
there
any
more
comments
about
the
signage.
C
A
So
I
think,
let's,
if
there's
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
think
my
my
feedback
on
the
site
on
the
the
three
different
color
options
or
signage.
A
You
know
the
the
the
corner,
signage
full
coverage
blue,
is
probably
evolved
besides
the
one
I
gravitate
towards
the
most,
but
certainly
I
don't
have-
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
business
of
like
making
comments
about
color
as
long
as
we're
not
going
to
be
worried
about
there
being
any
kind
of
gap
between
the
sign
and
the
glass
and
a
potential
bird
strike
in
that
corner,
and
then
that
there's
not
compute,
you
know
I'm
just
concerned
that
there
will
be
confusion.
A
Church
street
plaza
could
be
a
street.
I
don't
know
I
mean
it's
still
the
comments
I
had
before
still
sort
of
exist,
and
I
don't
know
you
know
from
a
branding
standpoint,
I'm
this
in
a
downtown
in
an
urban
downtown.
If
this
this
makes
sense,
but
but
I
understand
what
mccaffrey
is
trying
to
do
here,
so
those
are
kind
of
my
general
comments.
Is
there
anybody
else?
Who
has
anything
to
say
otherwise?
Can
someone
make
a
motion.
I
I
guess
I
had
some
general
comments
just
that
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
supportive
I
am
of
of
branding
something
like
this
branding
individual.
It's
not
really
like
a
district
in
its
own
sense.
I
struggle
with
branding.
That's
that's
not
place
making
it's
just
it's
just
branding.
I
think
the
best
way
to
create
interest
for
this
business
is
to
have
interesting,
uses
and
interesting,
interesting
architecture
and
good
architecture
and
in
place
making
rather
than
branding.
But
that's
that's
my
input.
B
I
guess
I
tend
to
agree,
I
think
the
initial
design
of
the
buildings
was
successful
and
that
they
are
unique
in
individual
buildings
and
are
not
designed
like
one
shopping
center,
and
so
I
think,
for
that
reason,
the
branding
of
it
as
a
shopping
center
is
not
necessarily
appropriate.
C
H
S
D
D
Hi
hi
jensen,
hi
jones.
L
No
kim
it
it's
it's
approved.
I
will
contact
you
with
direction
on
next
steps
here.
A
Okay:
next
item
macabre
interests,
applicants
submits
for
a
mural
and
seating
improvements
at
the
northwest
corner
of
maple
and
church
street
church
street
plaza
in
our
research
park.
District.
V
Okay,
so
that's
me
again:
this
is
kim
on
the
corner
of
maple
in
church
street.
V
There's
currently
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
little
courtyard
and
in
the
courtyard
we
have
a
church
street,
plaza
pylon
sign
and
behind
it
there
is,
you
know
some
trees,
some
fences,
you
know
a
little
str
structure
that
it's
usually,
I
think
the
city
of
evanston
plants,
some
flowers
in
there
during
the
summer-
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
eyesore
to
the
neighborhood
to
treachery
plaza
to
evanston.
V
So
one
of
our
thoughts
was
to
remove
that
pylon.
Sign
cover
those
planting
beds
with
seating
area
and
then
to
put
three
murals
up
on
the
on
the
existing
fences
there
and
we've
been
working
with
the
evanston
mural
arts
program
and
with
jay
ryan,
who
is
a
well-known
evanstonian
artist
and
we've
created
he's
created
this
mural
that
we
would
like
to
put
there
and
it's
kind
of
a
place
for
for
people
to
come
in
and
do
their
selfies
and,
and
you
know,
bring
people
into
evanston
to
come
and
see
this
fabulous.
V
Mural
designed
by
you,
know,
jay
and
have
a
little
seating
area
where
or
you
know,
instead
of
having
just
you
know,
weeds
and
flowers.
At
times
you
know
where
you
can
come,
have
a
seat.
Take
your
selfies
with
these.
With
these
murals
appreciate
it
they're
all
about
evanston
and
just
have
a
little
place,
you
know,
and
before
covid
we
thought
this
could
be
like
a
little
gathering
place
where
we
can
hold
little
events.
V
You
know
like
story
time,
reading
on
the
weekends
or
during
the
days,
but
obviously
you
know
right
now:
that's
that's
not
an
option,
but
you
know
it.
It's
it
beautifies
that
corner
and
you
know
it
brings
it.
It
brings
energy
and
life
to
that
corner.
We
presented
this
plan
to
the
arts
council
last
week
and
they
were
very,
very
supportive
of
the
murals,
and
so
we
are
requesting.
W
And-
and
this
is
my
mormoth-
I'm
a
colleague
of
kim's
with
church
street
plaza-
I
just
want
to
clarify,
in
addition
to
the
signage
package
we
just
reviewed
it's.
It's
churches,
plaza's
full
intention
to
remove
the
island
pylon
sign
again
that
was
sort
of
part
of
our
signage
efforts.
We
will
be
removing
that
sign,
so
we
realize
in
removal
of
that
sign,
we've
just
opened
up
this
corner.
We
realized
it
is
city,
property
and
the
property
search.
W
Ownership
is
fully
will
take
full
responsibility
of
this
corner
as
far
as
maintenance
and
snow
removal
goes,
you
know,
even
beyond
this
first
refresh
and
installation
of
the
wood,
we
would
ongoing,
take
care
of
the
landscaping
and
the
maintenance
work
that
would
be
needed
at
that
corner.
A
Great
any
comments
or
questions
from
staff.
L
V
Yeah,
certainly
after
our
meeting
with
the
arts
council
last
week,
we
did
make
some
changes
that
they
suggested
one
of
the
the
members
suggested
that
we
change
some
of
the
colors
of
the
characters
which
jay
did
did
do
and
also
we
are
looking
in
and
getting
pricing
and
looking
into
options
for
either
up
lighting
or
or
down
lighting
over
the
murals,
and
we
are
also
investigating
you
know
something
other
than
you
know
vinyl,
to
make
this
a
little
bit
longer
lasting.
W
And
we're
happy
to
share
that
the
revised
mural
panel
as
well.
We
just
received
the
revisions
yesterday,
so
we
can
certainly
compile
that
in
a
similar
presentation.
Afterwards,.
V
Yes,
certainly,
we
agree
with
that.
We've
asked
brightview,
who
is
our
our
landscaper,
who.
Q
V
Also
think
works
with
the
city
of
evanston
to
to
see
what
they
can
do
to
to
make
it
a
clean,
seamless,
look
after
the
pylon
sign
is
removed.
A
C
Right
one
more
question
I
had
is
the
aldermen
of
this
area
been
made
aware
of
this
mural.
V
L
I
it
I
did
not
send
it
to
the
alderman's
office,
this
was
kind
of
fast
moving
and
we
got
it
over
to
the
arts
council.
So
we
we
can
do
that
though
we
can
make.
We
can
notify
the
alderman
of
the
proposal.
B
And
the
alderman
was
sent
the
dapper
packet
when
that
was
released
last
week,
so.
B
Just
a
couple
quick
comments:
full
disclosure,
the
the
artist,
is
neighbor
of
mine,
but
also
aside
from
that
I'd
say
that
additional
seating
with
the
the
seatball
area-
there,
I
think,
is
beneficial.
I
know
some
public
seating
has
been
removed
from
this
immediate
area
in
recent
years,
so
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
as
well.
U
My
comments
are
just
around
the
last
item
that
brought
up
related
to
lighting,
which
is
that
I'd
certainly
prefer
to
see
down
lighting
rather
than
lighting
the
sky.
So
in
accordance
with
our
aspirations
to
become
a
dark
sky
community
and
our
consideration
for
the
confusion
that
lights
up
word
can
have
for
birds
and
other
flying
animals.
Downward
lighting
would
be
preferable.
C
Generally
speaking,
the
community
prefers
that
we
use
the
warmer
range
of
lights
versus
the
bright
blue
white
light.
So
I'm
going
to
agree
with
kumar
that
down
lighting
is
far
preferred
and
just
that
to
be,
there
needs
to
be
a
conscientiousness
about
the
color
of
light
chosen
as
well.
M
I
C
For
preliminary
and
final
approval
of
the
the
mural,
the
removal,
the
pylon
sign
and
the
revisions
to
the
the
addition
of
the
wood
seeding
over
the
planting
areas.
B
G
E
H
M
M
A
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Motion
passes
all
right,
so
there's
two
more
items
left.
I
have
to
leave
for
another
meeting.
Scott
is
going
to
take
over
as
chair,
and
I
have
provided
my
comments
to
him
on
these
matters,
so
I
will
see
you
all
later.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
so
1613
central
street
mustards
is
there
someone
here
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
proposal.
X
Yes,
this
is
steve
starkman.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
this
is
thank
you
for
letting
me
present
and
I'll
see
if
I
can
do
a
little
video.
X
Here,
potentially,
I
should
be
coming
on
any
second,
so
mustards
would
like
to
propose
that
we
get
a
a
little
kiosk
that
could
help
our
business
and
help
the
community
during
this
pandemic.
The
kovid
19
situation,
and
we
have
a
concept
that
we
came
up
with
and
I
started
talking
with
alderman
revell
and
then
I
met
up
with
paul
zellmazak
and
you
know
gary.
I
think
everybody
is
now
familiar
with
that.
X
We
are
starting
a
project
at
this
type
and
I
would
like
to
kind
of
go
over
some
of
the
things
I
did
present.
I
do
have
a
powerpoint
presentation.
Would
you
be
a
comfortable
with
me
putting
that.
H
Okay,
let
me
check
into
that
share:
share
entire
screens
share
okay,
one
second.
X
All
right,
so
I
put
together
a
couple
slides
that
might
help
us.
You
know
kind
of
capsulate
what
the
idea
is
and,
as
you
can
see,
musters
last
stand.
We've
been
in
business
for
51
years
last
year
was
our
50th
anniversary
and
actually
thank
the
city
and
northwestern
we
partnered
up
with
them
for
a
fantastic
event.
X
One
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
do
is
try
and
get
an
express
drive
up.
So
using
this,
this
word
drive
up
is
important
because
we're
really
not
making
a
full
drive
through
which
you
would
typically
see
we're
just
looking
to
do
something
very
basic,
which
is
a
mustards
drive
up
and
we
want
to
safely
distribute
high
quality,
limited
menu
items.
We're
not
looking
to
go
big
time
in
our
menu
items
to
our
customer
base.
It
would
prefer
for
the
convenience
and
rapid
serve
time
to
return
home
quickly
and
safely.
X
X
We're
gonna
start
very
slow
with
this,
so
I
wouldn't
see
you
know
some
big
time
movement,
but
we
are
going
to
go
on
a
hiring
and
start.
You
know
adding
a
new
head
count
of
course
working
hand
in
hand
with
the
city
of
evanston
for
our
both
of
our
benefits
and
one
of
the
last
things
I
wrote
on
this
slide
was:
it
provides
a
lift
of
spirits.
You
know,
because
mustards
brings
happiness
to
a
lot
of
households.
X
So
here
it
is,
that's
the
mustards
express
pictures
worth
a
thousand
words,
so
I
don't
really
have
to
say
a
lot
around
this
picture,
but
I
had
it
custom
made
from
a
place
in
new
york,
guardian
booth.
I
had
those
wraps
in
our
colors
and
I'll.
Tell
you
something
at
the
end,
but
we
want
to
establish
this
in
2020
as
our
drive
up
so
the
configurations
you
already
have
that
on
a
slide
that
we
sent
in
earlier,
but
there
are
two
locations
that
we
had
identified.
X
That
would
work
for
our
property
and
they're
shown
on
the
screen
right
here.
X
As
you
can
see,
I
don't
know
if
you're
seeing
my
point
or
probably
not,
but
there
is
ex
there's
a
big
big
alleyway
that
doesn't
interfere
if
a
car
is
pulled
up
to
the
drive
up.
That
is,
that
is
as
much
as
you
would
need.
I
mean
large.
Large
trucks
can
get
through
there
if
necessary,
fire
department,
everyone.
So
there's
the
two
configurations
and
you
can
see
on
on
the
map
where
we
drew
it
okay
and
then
the
spec
sheet.
X
This
was
asked
to
be
provided
it's
basically,
four
by
four
and
about
eight
feet
tall
and
it's
on
wheels,
so
it's
movable
and
it
plugs
into
a
regular
extension
cord
for
power.
It
also
has
like
heat
in
there
and
air
conditioning.
So
basically
it's
like
a
guard
booth,
but
for
this
instance
it's
a
solution
for
our
our
winter
business
and
covid,
okay,
and
then
we
also
sent
it.
X
I
sent
it
directly
from
new
york
to
a
boat
cover
manufacturer
up
in
wisconsin
to
have
covers
made,
because
when
something
that
looks
like
this
is
sitting
out
in
the
open,
it
could
be
subject
to
damage
graffiti
different
things.
So
I
had
spent
additional
money
to
have
covers
made.
That
would
really
you
know,
protect
it
when
it's
not
in
use
and
really
make
a
good
look
for
our.
You
know
our
booth,
the
kiosk
and
then
it
blends
really
well
with
our
property.
X
So
the
last
slide.
I
did
look
this
up
and
50
57
of
customers
prefer
to
use
a
drive
up
during
the
covet
19
pandemic,
57
percent,
so
the
people
getting
out
of
their
cars
going
touching
door
handles.
You
know
coming
inside
risking
being
close
to
other
people.
This
is
really
resonating
in
their
mind.
They
love
the
fact
that
they
drive
in
their
private
vehicle
and
and
get
their
items
and
then
keep
moving.
X
Okay,
our
reputation
for
quality
is
51
years
and
going
strong,
and
then
it's
a
good
will,
because
if,
if
this,
you
know
comes
to
fruition,
you
give
me
a
temporary
permit
for
this.
It
will
show
that
the
city
of
evanston
and
the
local
businesses
are
partnering
up
to
try
and
make
solutions,
and
I
really
want
to
be
on
the
forefront
of
that.
X
I've
always
been
a
forward
thinker,
and
I
knew
this
was
a
absolute
must,
especially
for
right
now,
and
you
know
it's
a
win-win-win
customers
will
win
see
if
events
and
win
mustards
wins,
and
the
last
comment
that
I
have
is,
if
you
guys
could,
please
approve
both
the
site
plans,
so
I'm
not
pigeonholed
or
locked
into
one,
because
I
want
to
really
make
sure
which
one
works
the
best,
and
so
since
we're
at
this
planning
meeting.
That's
why
I'd
like
to
request
that?
So
that's
my
presentation.
B
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
steve.
I
had
maybe
a
couple
questions
and
then
see
if
other
members
might
have
questions
as
well
so
functionally
how?
How
would
this
work?
Is
this
a
customer
calling
in
an
order,
and
then
you
bringing
it
out
or
having
the
order
ready
in
the
booth
for
them
to
show
up,
or
are
they
making
the
order
once
they
arrive
at
the
site?
X
So
it's
it's
truly
a
new
concept.
So,
as
far
as
this
goes,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
do
a
musters
express
where
it's
a
very
quick,
fast,
pull
up
hot
dog
chip
and
drink
to
start,
and
they
will
be
able
to
move
through
the
line
within
three
to
five
minutes,
so
just
something
real
basic
right
there,
that's
just
our
opening,
because
I'll
be
working
with
you
know,
ellen
at
the
health
department.
I've
already
been
working
with
her.
You
know,
so
this
is
just
a
concept.
X
X
X
Yes,
I've
already
sent
over
to
ellen
the
device
that
brings
the
temperature
up
and
the
food
to
the
above,
the
normal
140
and
really
that's.
The
only
cooked
item
is
the
hot
dog:
it's
a
very
safe
food.
You
can
believe
it
or
not.
You
could
eat
them
raw
because
they're
pre-cooked
and
then
the
condiments
and
that's
just
a
very
basic
thing
and
then
the
bottle
of
pop
and
the
chip,
which
doesn't
have
any
you
just
hand
it
that's
the
concept.
B
Okay
and
then
you'd
be
taking
payment,
cash,
payment
or
credit
card
payment.
X
X
It's
not
just
a
matter
of
the
you
know
transferring
and
hand
washing.
I
get
that
I'll
get
that
down
pat,
but
I
haven't
decided,
but
so
far
I'm
leaning
toward
credit
card
only
and
a
touchless
one
where
we
don't
even
have
to
touch
their
credit
card.
They
just
swipe
it
or
insert.
B
It
all
right,
and
then
you
said
this
would
be
temporary.
What
dates
are
you
proposing.
X
So
and
obviously
the
temporary
meaning,
like
the
application
that
I
was
given,
I
drew
up,
was
180
days.
So
we
would,
you
know
max
out
max
out
that.
L
So
yeah,
just
to
the
we
would
be
permitting
this
as
a
temporary
structure
and
code
does
allow
for
temporary
structures
for
180
day
period.
They
can
request
an
extension
after
that
period.
It
would
have
to
go
through
the
building
manager.
B
Okay
and
then
there
was
some
some
circulation
options
shown
there,
for,
I
guess
maybe
two
different
circulation
patterns
depending
on
the
location
of
the
booth.
I
guess
the
one
where
you
show
circulation
going
through
the
parking
area
that
is
to
the
north
of
the
building.
B
I
guess
I
kind
of
have
concern
if,
if
vehicles
will
really
be
able
to
make
that
maneuver
in
that
tight
space,
particularly
with
there
being
utility
poles
and
the
alley
there
and
a
guy
wire.
X
Yeah,
so
we
have
two
concepted
places
see
the
thing
is
with
the
drive
up,
it
has
to
be
the
left,
the
left
side
of
a
car
where
the
the
driver
interacts
right.
So
our
property
has
challenges,
but
we
figured
out
that
there
were
two
locations
that
we
could
go
with.
The
number
one
location
would
be
the
one
closest
to
our
building.
X
It
keeps
our
employees
safest
and
it
allows
for
the
basically
the
full
length
of
the
alley
for
cars
to
go
by,
and
I
can
at
least
minimum
get
three
cars
if
it
backs
up
minimum
three
without
having
any
impact
to
my
parking
spots,
definitely
not
to
the
alley.
There's
still
no
impact
to
the
alley,
but
I
mean
it
could
go
even
more,
but
you
know
I
I
range
my
numbers
at
three,
because
we
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
long
wait
process
for
people
to
get
their
item
and
and
move
on.
B
Okay,
I'll
defer
to
our
engineering
staff
on
those,
but
this
maneuver
that's
shown
here
in
the
yellow.
It
looks
very
tight
to
make
that
maneuver
without
having
to
back
up
and
board
to.
C
B
One
other
just
a
question
and
it
might
not
work
for
you
and,
depending
on
whether
you
know
where
we
are
and
stages
and
tears,
whether
indoor
dining
is
allowed
or
not.
But
there
is
some
private
property
outside
of
the
alley
where
you
have
parking
spaces.
B
I
guess
that
would
be
the
asphalt
area
in
the
aerial
here.
Had
you
thought
about
maybe
placing
the
the
kiosk.
So
someone
could
pull
into
that
area
there
and
not
impede
the
alley
so.
X
Mustards
for
51
years
has
had
this
front
area
kind
of
reserved
for
customers
to
quick,
zip
in
get
out,
go,
get
their
sandwich
and
move
we've
actually
taken
a
very
proactive
approach
to
covid.
You
know.
Basically,
we
haven't
let
customers
in
their
door
since
march,
so
we're
we're
actually
serving
through.
You
know
a
front
area
there,
and
I
think
that
this
would
tie
up
parking
spaces
that
are
necessary
for
people
who
want
to
come
in
for
a
quick,
a
quick
sandwich
on
our
normal
process.
X
So
I
think
that
that
where
I
have
it
on
these
two
have
been
pretty
well
thought
of.
I
could
do
that
if
it's
push
comes
to
shove,
so
I
do
have
private
property
there,
and
I'm
also,
you
know,
on
the
private
property
there
too.
So
I
feel,
like
I
feel
like
we
should
be
able
to
make
this
work.
X
X
When
the
aerial
was
taken.
There
was
cars
parked
there,
but
you
know
I
could
even
close
off
one
or
two
of
those
parking
spots
to
make
them
not
a
parking
spot
and
just
have
that
to
shoot
for
the
drive
up.
So
I
have
options
that
would
allow
for
very
minimal.
Y
Impact
scott,
this
is
paul's
amazon.
Can
I
have
just
one
minute?
Yes,
please
fall.
Thank
you
is
my
video
on
I'm
not
seeing
it
on
my.
I.
Y
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
share
just
a
quick
update.
We,
we
did
send
half
of
the
aldermen
sent
a
letter
to
the
neighbors
on
eastwood.
Approximately
53
letters
were
sent,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you
noticed
in
your
notes,
but
alderman
revel
reported
that
I
think
she
received
10
comments.
Nine
of
them
were
supportive
of
this
on
a
temporary
basis.
Y
B
Thank
you
for
confirming
that
paul
alden
revealed
did
note
in
the
chat
that
she
had
to
depart
for
another
meeting,
but
did
let
us
know
about
the
support
that
was
received
based
on
that
input.
I
Steve
I'd
like
to
just
applaud
you,
for,
obviously
you
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
this
and
you're
very
passionate
about
it
as
a
temporary
use.
I
really
see
it
as
something
that's
non-objectionable
I
I
would
be
supportive
of
it.
B
Okay
with
that
is
there
a
motion
take
into
account
that
180
days.
B
C
I
am
making
I'm
about
to
make
a
motion.
I
do
think
I
want
to
put
in
the
notes
that
I
do
think
this
is
a
temporary
solution,
not
a
permanent
solution
that
it's
important
to
look
at
the
180
day.
Clause
on
this,
with
the
understanding
that
this
is
being
the
need
for
this
is
being
generated
by
the
pandemic
and
the
pandemic
may
not
be
resolved
in
180
days.
C
But
I
guess
I
would
say
my
I'm
going
to
make
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this,
but
my
voting
for
this
is
purely
based
on
this
is
a
temporary
solution
for
a
business
during
a
global
pandemic.
L
D
I'm
sorry
she's,
not
here
mangum.
Y
M
D
D
Hi
jensen,
hi
jones,
hi
and
sterling.
B
M
Great
yes,
it's
katie
genke
dale
from
daily
piper
great
to
see.
All
of
you
we'll
be
quick,
because
I
know
this
has
been
a
long
meeting,
but
I'm
joined
here
today
by
jeff
shap
from
shape
pack
partners
on
behalf
of
the
ownership.
We
also
have
our
architects
and
the
rest
of
our
team
here.
As
the
agenda
says,
this
is
a
renovation
of
the
exterior
and
the
interior.
M
Z
Hi
good
afternoon,
I'm
jeff
shaback
from
jpac
partners,
I'm
joined
today
by
gabe,
askaba
and
connor
poor,
as
well
as
our
architects
at
esa.
We
have
on
with
us
both
walt
and
jacob.
If
it's
appropriate,
am
I
able
to
walk
you
through
these
plans.
B
Z
Z
Z
It
is
obviously
on
a
very
important
intersection
corner
end
of
a
block
and
and
sits
on
a
a
beautiful
square,
directly
adjacent
to
it
to
the
south.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
Z
These
are
renderings
that
we've
created.
I
think
on
my
screen
that
oh
thank
you
great.
These
are
renderings
that
esa
created
with
us.
This
is
our
our
our
proposed
redevelopment
of
the
skin
as
you'll
notice.
We
are
planning
to
keep
it
as
the
limestone
building
that
it
is.
We
are
obviously
keenly
aware
of
the
amount
of
love
that
that
limestone
needs.
We
are
prepared
to
take
on
that
process.
Z
We
are
a
development
firm
based
here
in
in
illinois,
actually
in
chicago
downtown.
We
only
focus
on
projects
in
chicago
and
in
the
greater
chicagoland
area.
This
is
a
very
significant
project
for
us
in
terms
of
its
location
and
such
an
important
building
in
evanston,
although
it
is
certainly
not
the
largest
project
that
we've
ever
done
so
taking
on
redevelopment
buildings.
Z
Sorry
rehab
of
buildings
is:
this
is
far
from
our
first
we've
been
here
in
chicago
for
20
years
and
have
done
a
significant
amount
of
rehab
work
in
the
city
of
chicago.
You
will
note
that,
in
addition
to
repairing
fixing
the
limestone,
we
are
proposing
new
glass
for
the
upper
floors.
So
on
two
three,
four
five
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
sixth
floor
up.
There
is
to
replace
all
of
the
office
glass
both
on
the
orington
elevation,
the
sherman
elevation
and
then
the
elevation
facing
fountain
square.
Z
And
then
sorry,
let
me
continue
before
we
start
slides
and
then,
of
course
replacing
what
has
been
sort
of
a
mishmash
over.
I
don't
know
how
many
decades
of
different
storefronts
and
different
materials
overlapping
one
another
and
cleaning
up
the
entire
storefront
on
both
sorry
on
all
three
facades
and
then
lastly,
I'll
mention,
because
we
do
show
you
a
floor
plan
at
the
end.
Just
so
you'd
understand
what
we're
up
to.
We
are
planning
to
relocate
our
elevator
core.
Z
It
is
currently
what
I
would
say
ill
located
on
sherman
avenue,
right
where
we
would
want
a
strong
retail
base.
We
have
an
elevator
core
sitting
there
and
it's
eating
up
a
majority
of
the
sort
of
mid
section
of
the
building
on
sherman
all
the
way
to
the
north
to
the
end
of
our
property
line,
and
we
intend
to
build
a
new
core
which
will
actually
be
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
then
remove
this
core
in
order
to
have
a
clean
retail
presence
on
the
ground
floor
next
slide,
please!
Z
Oh
sorry,
these
are
even
better
to
see
what
I
was
referencing.
I
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
our
intention
is
to
have
the
office
side
enter
on
orington
avenue
at
1600
orrington
and
when
we
get
to
that
side,
you'll
see
where
we'd
like
to
enter
the
building
this
side,
preserving
all
of
that
sherman
frontage
for
retail.
I'd
like
to
note
that
the
the
glass
does
have
transom.
Z
I'm
going
to
use
the
color
red
you'll
notice,
we
do
have
transom
up
here,
transom
glass.
We
do
want
to
note.
We
probably
have
a
close-up
that
you'll
see
in
a
moment
that
we
do
need
to
plan
for
louvers
as
if
sorry,
in
the
event,
which
will
probably
be
likely
that
there's
a
food
user,
we
need
to
be
able
to
vent
properly
using
a
louver
system
and
we've
tried
to
limit.
Z
We
don't
know
exactly
where
they'll
end
up
but
limit
the
number
that
will
be
needed
based
on
code
and
try
and
preserve
as
much
storefront
glass
as
we
possibly
can.
Let
me
turn
off
those
markings,
so
you
can
see
again
and
then
this
black
metal
is
actually
a
black
steel
material,
we're
calling
it
out
at
the
end
as
black
steel,
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
it'll
be
anodized,
bronze
or
actual
black.
Z
Z
This
is
facing
orrington
avenue.
Right
here
was
the
reference
I
made
to
the
new
entrance
to
the
office.
Sorry,
I'm
turning
on
annotate
again
this
area
right
here
for
those
of
you
that
have
walked
by
it,
it's
sort
of
an
awkward
condition.
Now
it
was
partially
used
by
world
of
beers
and
by
I
think
they
were
just
sort
of
storing
stuff
behind
glass.
It
isn't
a
very
appropriate
look
today,
but
our
plans
clean
all
of
that
area
up
and
make
it
a
presentable
office
entry
for
an
office
building
next
slide.
Z
Please
probably
the
I'll
say
how
about
I
say
this:
one
of
the
three
most
important
facades
of
the
building.
This
is
a
an
example
of
our
not
only
replacing
all
of
that
glass,
but
I
think
on
one
of
our
angled
shots.
Z
You'll
notice
that
we
are,
you
know,
paying
attention
to
details
of
that
glass,
you'll
notice
in
the
glass
that
runs
on
orington
and
sherman,
that
we've
studied
mutton
and
mullion
details
and
widths
to
to
relate
throughout
the
building
into
the
storefront
at
the
ground
floor,
and
then
here
that
actually
I
don't
want
to
use.
If
I
use
the
word
fins,
it
will
be
misinterpreted,
but
you
you
can
see
the
detail,
the
metal
and
I
we
do
have
both
walt
and
jake
from
the
essay
on.
Z
So
I'm
sure
that
they
will
correct
me
on
all
of
the
improper
architectural
terms
I'm
using,
but
you
on
an
angled
shot,
you'll,
see
it
better
and
there's
some
detail
for
depth,
which
we
thought
was
important
on
the
metal,
it's
not
very
deep,
but
enough
to
have
a
shadow
line
which
will
bring
a
lot
of
the
grandeur
and
beauty
back
to
this
building.
Next
slide,
please
the
floor
plan
I
mentioned
earlier
again.
This
is
currently
basically
where
the
core
sits.
Z
So
we've
got
two
elevators
in
here
and
then
we
also
have
an
entry
to
get
you
into
this
elevator
lobby
and
that's
just
as
ill-located
as
it
as
it
could
be,
with
sherman
being
such
an
important
street.
This
is
where
we
intend
to
relocate
our
core.
Let
me
close
that
off.
This
was
the
entry
I
made
reference
to
for
the
entry
of
the
office
building
coming
into
the
two
elevators.
There
will
still
be
access
for
the
office
tenants
to
be
able
to
come
out
onto
sherman.
Z
You
know
run
to
grab
a
cup
of
coffee
shop,
etc,
exit
under
sherman,
but
the
main
entry
will
be
on
orrington,
and
then
we
have
planned
currently
for
two
tenants
on
the
ground
floor.
It
could
turn
into
three
tenants.
But
currently
our
plan
is
a
two
tenant
floor
plan
at
grade
and
then
a
very
clean
open
office
floor
plate
for
the
office
floors
above
next
slide.
Please.
Z
Elevations,
just
showing
more
detail
and
esa
calling
out
a
lot
of
the
detail
that
I've
made
reference
to
and
I'm
sure
have
used
some
wrong
terms
next
slide.
Please.
B
Jeff
sorry,
while
you're
on
this
slide,
if
I
could
interrupt
you
here,
I
think
this
is
from
my
understanding.
This
is
the
elevation
where
there's
the
most
changed,
at
least
to
the
upper
level.
The
facade,
if
you
could
just
clarify
that
or
let
us
know
where
the
new
windows
are
going
in,
where
it's
currently
limestone.
Z
Well,
I'd
like
to
currently
make
reference
that
I
think
right
about
here
and
we
can
go
back
to
an
existing
photo
that
was
at
the
beginning
that
dapper
included
we've
cleaned
up
these
windows.
I
think
it's
on
two
of
the
floors,
but
we'll
be
able
to
see
quickly
because
it
sort
of
it
follows
the
floors
above
and
then
it
does
sort
of
this
odd
condition
and
then
up
here.
What
we've
done
is
this
is
an
old
elevator
overrun
for
the
elevators
that
we're
sitting
right
here.
Z
We
intend
to
use
that
space
and
it's
sort
of
elevator,
overrun
storage
and
other
space
that
had
been
used
by
previous
tenants.
We
would
like
to
reuse
that
space
and
and
add
glass
to
it
up
on
this
sixth
floor
and
then
what
you're,
seeing
here
low
down
is
just
glass
for
what
is
currently
outdoor
space
and
that's
basically
glass
as
both
wind
protection,
as
well
as
safety
protection
of
having
right
now,
there's
nothing
and
that's
a
dangerous
condition
that
we
inherited.
H
Z
Looking
you
know
basically
up
from
the
south
at
the
building
that
I
just
made
reference
to
this
was
that
the
new
glass
that
we
referenced
there
currently
is
glass
here.
You
can't
really
see
it
obviously
from
this.
Actually,
you
can't
see
most
of
this
from
the
street,
and
then
that
is
the
glass
along
the
the
wall
for
safety
or
sorry,
the
parapet.
Z
Next,
please
and
then.
Lastly,
looking
at
it
from
the
orington
side
again,
the
office
entrance
is
over
here
retail
at
grade
same
details.
Up
above
this
detail
only
exists
on
this
one
side,
so
this
glass
coming
down
what
I'll
call
the?
Z
Z
And
lastly,
this
is
our
last
slide
and
this
is
esa
is
calling
out
each
of
the
materials
again
we're
using
the
word
black
in
terms
of
storefront
and
black
aluminum
black
steel.
The
answer
is,
it
will
be
dark,
it's
whether
or
not
as
we
get
into
it.
What
looks
better
against
the
limestone?
Is
it
anodized
bronze?
Is
it
anodized,
gabe
you're,
probably
on
mute?
I
forgot
what
I
love
that
we
used
at
185.
We
used
it
at
soho
house.
AA
Dark
bronze-
and
we
also
make
reference
to
the
black
mechanicals
screen
wall
that
we
would
put
around
the
mechanical
at
the
at
the
upper
roof.
That
is
part
of
the
relations.
Z
You
guys
made
reference
to
that
on
another
project.
We've
been
doing
that
for
years.
I
don't
like
looking
whether
you
can
hear
it
or
not.
I
don't
like
seeing
mechanical
most
often
more
often
than
not.
We
screen
it
like
this.
There
have
been
occasions
where
we're
unable
to
do
the
code
in
the
city
of
chicago.
We
end
up
going
in
and
painting
it
dark,
because
when
it's
light,
colored
it's
very
visible
and
very
unattractive.
When
it's
dark
it's
less
noticeable.
Here
we
have
the
ability
to
to
build
a
screen
wall
around
our
mechanical.
B
Sure,
maybe
one
one
quick
question
and
then
open
up
to
comments.
Folks,
bird
friendly
design-
you
may
have
heard
earlier
in
the
presentation
concerns
particularly
in
evanston,
about
either
meeting
lead,
55
pilot
credit
requirements
or
other
treatments,
particularly
the
lower
36
feet
of
the
building.
Z
Yeah
jake,
I
know
that
you
looked
into
this.
Can
you
please
answer
that
question
because
you're
understood.
AB
AB
So
this
is
not
a
kind
of
a
new
building
with
a
lot
of
mirrored
glass
at
a
high
ratio,
it's
rather
by
by
sort
of
modern
standard,
so
we're
comfortable
with
no
sort
of
active-
or
you
know,
uv
type,
bird
glass
in
this
building-
it's
also
an
existing
building.
So
there
is
a
sort
of
inherent
memory
to
the
context.
It's
not
a
brand
new
glass
building
that
the
birds
are
are
not
aware
of.
U
I
do
just
follow
scott
if
it's
okay,
if
I
can
jump
in
there,
I
I
guess
I
would
slightly
push
back
on
that
and
just
say
that
you
are.
It
does
look
like
you're,
you
know
you're
you're,
updating
and
improving
the
glass,
and
so
we
would
like
to
see
some
some
level
of
indication
that
the
threat
level
is
actually
going
to
be
going
down.
Right,
I
mean
it
is
a
retrofit
of
a
building.
So
even
though
it.
U
There
is
an
improvement
being
made,
and
so
we'd
like
to
see
these.
You
know
newer
standards
or
new
requests
incorporated,
and
similarly,
you
know
particularly
on
this
slide.
That's
up
that
glass,
railing
or
glass
fence
or
wall.
That's
going
up
there
towards
the
top
of
the
building.
We've
seen
that
those
in
particular
are
more
dangerous
to
to
birds,
and
so
would
certainly
like
to
see
you
know
some
type
of
accommodation,
whether
that's
treatment
or
something
else
for
a
for
a
glass
railing
like
that
we've
had
similar
conversations
with
other
developers.
U
You
know
your
point:
is
it's
taken
that
those
are
on
newer
developments,
but
this
is
all
going
to
be
new
glass,
I'm
certainly
in
favor
of
the
the
updates
that
are
being
made.
I
spent
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
this
building,
and
so
I
think
that
the
improvements
will
be
will
be
great,
but
I
would
like
to
see
I
guess
a
little
another
look
taken
at
what
accommodations
can
be
made
as
you're
moving
forward
this
concept
on
the
bird
friendly
side.
AB
U
Yeah,
I
also
wanted
to
make
another
comment
just
about
the
some
of
the
comments
jeff
made
about
the
color.
I
agree
that
I
mean
I
like
the
darker
color
just
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint,
but
we
also
encourage
buildings
and
even
have
code
requirements
as
you're,
probably
aware
about
light
or
reflective
roofs,
and
so,
if
you
are
proposing
to
change,
I
haven't
taken
a
look
at
the
the
existing
color
of
that
section
of
the
roof
is
but
painting
a
roof.
U
Black,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
a
great
energy
performance
standard,
and
maybe
it's
just
the
face
that
we're
seeing
that
is.
Z
U
AA
U
Okay,
excellent
and
the
last
comment
I'd
make
on
windows
is
well
just
to
be
clear.
You
are
replacing
all
of
the
windows
correct
and
reconfiguring
the
with
those,
so
I'd
be
I'd,
be
interested
in
the
energy
specs
on
on
the
windows
that
you're
that
you're
looking
at.
B
C
I'll
go
next,
I'm
going
to
reiterate
kumar's
comments
about
the
bird
friendly
glass.
I,
with
this
kind
of
wholesale
rehab
of
the
facade.
I
don't
see
how
you
can
justify
not
bringing
up
into
what
is
considered
a
basic,
modern
standard
for
environmentalists
protection
of
birds.
So
that
is
something
that
I
think
we're
going
to
be
looking
for.
C
I
think
this
is
a
much
needed
improvement
to
this
building
and,
in
general,
the
design
is,
is
really
sharp.
Looking,
although
I'm
not
usually
judging
things
on
aesthetic,
but
it
is
adjacent
to
our
fountain
square
pro
project
that
we
just
completed
and
the
type
of
work
you're
going
to
be
doing.
You
need
to
be
very
careful
to
protect
anything
that
has
been
built
in
fountain
square,
most
particularly
the
adjacent
veterans
memorial
wall.
So
I
know
that
you
will
and
that's
part
of
the
construction
management
plan
way
down
the
road.
C
The
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
on
sherman
is
new,
but
with
the
building
wholesale
improvement
like
this,
it's
pretty
typical
for
us
to
require
that
the
sidewalk
adjacent
to
the
building
be
upgraded
to
the
city,
stand
current
city
standards
and
on
warrington
that
sidewalk
is
not
compliant
with
current
city
standards.
So
we
I
would
like
you
to
look
at
how
you
can
incorporate
that
into
your
project.
C
C
I
wanted
to
also
just
make
a
comment
about
loading
zones,
because
you
were
talking
about
placing
the
primary
entrance
to
the
building
on
the
orington
side
that
it
is
not
common
for
buildings
to
particularly
in
the
downtown
area,
to
have
a
loading
zone
directly
in
front
of
their
building
at
best
and
not
on
every
block.
We
would
incorporate
a
loading
zone
at
the
end
of
at
one
end
of
the
block,
so
I
I'm
just
trying
to
manage
expectations
that
we
would
not
be
as
staff.
C
We
would
not
recommend
putting
a
voting
zone
in
front
of
the
building
on
orington
side,
but
overall,
I'm
I'm
sorry.
I
just
like
said
a
bunch
of
negative
stuff,
but
overall,
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
that
this
building
is
getting
this
makeover
and
and
really
bringing
it
up
to
a
classier
nicer
standard
than
what
it
currently
has.
L
Just
one
comment:
one
of
our
previous
items
was
for
church
street
plaza.
It
was
a
unified
business
center
plan
so
which
is
pretty
much
just
a
master
signage
plan
for
the
for
the
building
and
the
tenants.
So
with
the
renovation
of
this
building,
it
may
be
an
opportunity
to
create
that
ubc
for
those
purposes.
I
I
have
a
few
comments
if
you'll,
if
you'll
bear
with
me,
please,
this
is
really
it's
really
an
interesting
building
with
some
interesting
history.
It
was
constructed
by
friedman
now
schuler
and
sincere,
which
is
a
a
firm
that
was
really
kind
of
prolific
in
the
department
store
business.
It's
also,
it
was
really
a
good
example
of
the
evolution
of
department
stores
in
this
time
period
and
their
attempt
to
modernize
to
compete.
You
know
with
shopping
malls
that
were
popping
up,
so
it
isn't.
I
You
know
it
was
an
interesting
example
of
you
know,
probably
a
late
art,
modern
or
early
modern
style,
even
though
I
think
we'll
all
kind
of
agree
that
it's
been
bastardized
over
over
many
years
of
its
life,
particularly
the
loss
of
the
original
windows.
The
new
windows
were
pretty
terrible
and
then
the
storefront
level
modifications
really
impacted
its
integrity.
I
So
you
know
for
the
the
proposal
that
you're
showing
first
and
foremost,
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
not
proposing
to
demolish
the
structure,
and
I
think
that
your
planned
investment
ensures
its
existence
into
the
future,
which
is
great
the
proposed
improvements
to
the
building
they
retain
and
restore
the
limestone,
which
I
think
is
really
important.
That's
a
significant
feature
of
the
building
and
it
preserves
some
of
its
original
integrity.
I
The
additional
improvements
I
like,
as
well,
because
they're
authentic
in
expression-
you
don't
have
this
false
sense
of
history
with
those
improvements-
and
I
I
believe,
they're
appropriate
in
the
scale
as
well.
I
do
think
kind
of
to
what
gary
was
saying
earlier:
the
storefront
level.
It
could
kind
of
fall
apart,
a
little
with
improper
signage.
So
I
think
that
that
is
going
to
be
something
to
look
at
closely
in
the
future.
I
I
Z
Yeah,
I
don't
I
unless
jake
you
can
think
of
one
or
gabe
and
connor.
I
I
believe
that
they
will.
All
none
of
them
will
be
opaque.
AB
We
we
do
at
the
south
facade
plan
to
incorporate
spandrel
or
shadowbox
glass
units,
because
we
are
bypassing
the
slabs
to
really
express
the
verticality
of
that
facade
in
a
book
book
and
the
fountain
square
plaza
there.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
not
interrupt
that
with
a
black
metal
panel,
but
sort
of
keep
continuous,
that
expression
of
glass.
I
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
appropriate.
I
wondered
too,
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
north
elevation.
That's
it's
really
a
large
blank
facade
on
the
north
and
I
think
it'd
be
nice
to
propose
something
to
activate
that
facade.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
mural
or
some
kind
of
policemaking.
Z
Kate,
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up.
We
we
had
a
drone
flown
over
the
building
to
be
able
to
see
that
side
of
it.
I
mean,
of
course
you
could
go,
stand
outside
and
see
it
get
a
drone
image
taken
of
it
and
there
was
an
old
mural
that
was
up
there
very.
Z
Much
love
to
paint
a
mural
up
there.
We
do
that
all
over
our
projects
in
the
city
of
chicago,
specifically
in
fulton
market,
we
have
murals
on
almost
every
single
project.
We've
ever
done.
It
is
going
to
require
us
to
probably
notify
the
city
to
do
it,
but
also
to
deal
with
our
neighbor,
because
we
will
be
over
their
lot
line
on
a
swing
stage
to
get
to
that
wall.
Oh
I
don't.
Z
I
B
I
agree,
I
think
it
is
very
visible
and
it
looks
like
there's
probably
brick
on
that
facade
as
well.
AC
Yeah,
so
it's
it's
all
brick
with
a
few
remaining
panels
of
limestone
at
the
called
perimeter,
and
then
you
can
see
the
shadow
where
jeff
was
talking
about
at
some
point.
There
was
already
an
old
mural
here
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
I
Yeah
so
overall
I'd
say
this
is
well
done.
I
really
I
applaud
the
adaptive
use
of
the
structure
rather
than
its
replacement.
This
is
a
site
that
I
think
is
constantly
under
threat,
and
I
think
you
should
be
proud
of
the
proposal
for
many
reasons,
and
I
I
might
get
some
some
flack
from
from
lara
and
public
works
on
this,
but
it
really
is
a
shame
that
that
that
memorial
wall
is
placed
where
it
is
because
I
think
this
building
would,
with
these
renovations,
really
activate
that
that
plaza.
C
I
don't
disagree,
but
that
memorial
wall
was
placed
when
this
building
had
a
different
context.
B
Thanks
kade
kumar,
I
think
you
had
another
other
comment.
U
Yeah,
this
is
just
a
quick
one
and
maybe
it's
a.
I
think
it's
like
an
operational
one.
So
thinking
about
that,
you
know
you
said
you're
likely
to
have
a
you
know
a
food
related
tenants
on
the
ground
floor
there
I
was
curious.
U
I
have
a
vague
recollection
that
the
garbage
dumpsters
for
that
building
are
are
like
wheeled
out
and
set
on
the
curb
for
a
collection,
and
I
was
wondering
how
this
reconfiguration
would
relocate
where
the
garbage
you
know
where
that's
going
or
where
those
containers
are
right
now
and
if
you
have
any
sense
of
that
yeah.
Z
Well,
unfortunately,
we
don't
have
access
to
an
alley
and
we
have
existing
conditions
that
we,
you
know
inherited
if
we
could
pull
back
up,
whoever
had
the
screen
control
for
our
plan.
If
you'd,
please
pull
that
back
up.
That
would
be
great,
and
I
can
show
you
where
we're
currently
drawing
a
space
for
garbage
that
won't
just
be
basically
in
a
stairwell.
Z
Z
Let
me
actually
delete
my
drawing,
so
you
can
see
it
better
and
then
actually
create
storefront
experience
such
that
we
can
make
it
look
as
if
it's
part
of
the
storefront,
but
you
don't
have
to
look
at
it
or
or
see
that
right,
you're
not
going
to
be
looking
in
and
seeing
the
garbage
and
the
plan
is,
is
that
on
garbage
day
we
will
have
the
entire
building
now
using
the
same
garbage
company
and
they
will
have
access
to
a
code
to
open
it
up.
Take
the
garbage
dispose
of
it,
return.
B
B
Any
other
committee
members
at
this
point-
I
guess
I'll-
just
wrap
with
a
couple
comments
again.
This
is
concept
review,
so
there's
no
action
that
needs
to
be
taken
today.
But
again
I
think
it's
a
vast
improvement
from
the
existing
condition
of
the
building
the
ground
floor.
Is
you
know
much
more
authentic
to
use
those
words
getting
rid
of
that
kind
of
fake
stone
down?
B
There
is
a
great
improvement
opening
it
up
and
relating
it
to
the
upper
floors
of
the
building
is
a
vast
improvement
in
my
estimation,
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
project,
and
if
can
you
give
me
just
a
few
seconds
of
liberty
here,
this
will
be
my
last
meeting
at
dapper
in
evanston,
taking
on
a
new
role
as
the
community
development
director
in
lincolnwood
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
So
I
did
want
to
express
my
gratitude
for
community
members
and
all
that
I've
learned
from
you
guys
being
here
and
dapper
and
your
expertise
over
the
last
four
years.
B
I
didn't
find
it
particularly
appropriate
that
katie
janky
dale
is
here
at
this
meeting
has
worked
with
her
in
the
two
previous
communities.
I've
worked
in
so
I'm
sure
she'll
be
popping
up
soon
in
lincolnwood.
B
Thank
you
so
with
that,
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.