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From YouTube: City of Evanston Electoral Board Hearing - 12/7/2020
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A
A
The
board,
if
it
chooses,
may
appoint
a
hearing
officer,
here's
some
of
the
more
complex
issues
to
take
evidence
and
render
a
decision.
The
electoral
board
decision
will
be
in
writing
and
will
specify
which
objections,
if
any,
have
been
sustained
by
this
board.
A
A
A
If
you're,
if
you
think
a
mistake
has
been
made
or
you're
unsatisfied.
Lastly,
the
board
may
consolidate
cases.
A
So
if
we
have
similar
cases
submitted
by
different
objection,
objectors,
we
may
consolidate
those
and
everyone
should
state
and
spell
their
name
as
miss
gandursky
mentioned
before
we
started
this
meeting,
so
we
get
that
properly
recorded
in
the
court
record
and
then
lastly,
I
would
ask
the
clerk
or
someone
from
the
clerk's
office
if
they
would
maintain
minutes
as
well,
even
though
we
have
a
clerk
reporter
here,
if
we
can
have
somebody
maintain
the
minutes
for
this
meeting.
A
All
right
so
we're
going
to
move
now
to
item
number
four,
which
is
the
appointment
of
kelly
gandursky
as
counsel
to
the
board.
Is
there
anyone
that
would
like
to
move
that
motion?
I.
A
Okay,
okay,
I've
got
a
I've,
got
it
clear
creed
all
when
right
now,
you're
just
an
alternate.
So
if
there's
a
case
where
we
have
to
have
you
in
I'll
we'll
have
you
in
then,
so
I'm
going
to
second
that
motion
of
all
alderman
rhaenys.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
all
right,
seeing
no
discussion
all
in
favor
of
kelly
gandursky
serving
as
the
council
to
the
board
aye
aye,
all
right,
so
on
a
three
to
zero
vote,
miss
gandersky
will
serve
as
the
the
council
to
the
board.
A
Mrs
skandersky,
if
you
just
want
to
share
so
people
understand,
alex
ruggy
her
role
in
this,
because
I
know
she's
here
with
your
office.
Does
she
have
a
specific
role?
Yes,.
C
Miss
ruggy-
I
asked
her
to
be
here
today
to
prepare
template
orders
in
case
we,
the
board,
is
rendering
ready
to
render
a
decision
today.
So
she's
just
here,
listening
to
keep
track
for
me
and
take
some
notes
in
the
event
that
we
are
able
to
render
and
order
today.
So
because
we're
operating
virtually
it's
a
little
bit
different
but
miss
rugby.
You
can
go
ahead
and
stop
your
video
and
if
we
need
to
call
upon
you,
we
will.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss
ginderski
also.
I
didn't
mention
this
when
I
ran
through
the
list
of
different
items.
I
am
here
at
city
hall,
one
of
the
members
of
the
electoral
board
needed
to
be
here
at
the
civic
centers,
so
I
am
here,
I'm
actually
in
the
mayor's
office,
not
in
city
council
chambers,
as
you
see
behind
me,
but
I'm
in
the
building,
we're
not
going
to
move
to
item
number
five,
which
is
adoption
of
the
rules
of
procedures
for
the
elect
elections.
Adoption,
okay,.
D
Seconded
I'd
like
to
discuss
very
briefly
and
make
a
maybe
a
motion
to
amend
one
of
the
rules.
One
of
the
rules
says
that
the
corporation
council
has
the
authority
to
appoint
a
hearing
officer,
and
I
just
I
just
think
that
should
be
maintained
by
the
board
and
so
I'd
like
to
amend
that
rule
and
just
the
board
itself
appoints
hearing
officers.
D
Sorry
make
that
motion
to
amend.
I
move
the
motion
to
amend
the
rules,
to
allow
only
the
board
to
appoint
a
hearing
officer.
Second,.
A
E
Joy,
this
is
ed
mullen,
I'm
an
attorney
representing
a
number
of
the
objectors
here
today.
My
only
question
is
on
your
on
your
website.
I
see
the
proposed
rules
for
or
the
rules
that
were
adopted
in
2000
in
the
last
hearing.
I
don't
see.
The
proposed
rules
are
those
publicly
available
somewhere.
C
D
Is
it
possible?
Can
we
get
a
link
here
in
the
zoom
or
somewhere
to
distribute
those
to
everyone?
Now
that
we're
or
once
they're
adopted
kelly
or
luke
yeah.
A
All
right
so
we'll
get
we'll
get
those
a
link
put
up
here,
so
everyone
can
have
those
rules
as
soon
as
they're
about
to
be
adopted.
Alderman
rainey.
C
I
can
answer
that
question
if
it's
a
complex
area
of
law,
where
it's
not
a
straightforward,
typical
objection.
C
So,
as
you
may
know,
the
there's
a
long
line
of
case
law
for
your
your
ordinary
objections
that
one
might
make
there
are
some
objections
that
might
be
new
or
they
might
be
in
a
gray
area
of
law
and
might
require
extensive
evidence
to
be
taken,
maybe
more
than
the
board
may
feel
it
is
equipped
to
handle.
C
In
that
event,
the
board
may
want
to
appoint
a
hearing
officer
who
is
an
illinois
licensed
attorney
who's,
adapted
experience
of
taking
evidence
and
conducting
hearings
to
do
so,
because
it's
usually
something
that
would
take
an
extensive
period
of
time.
A
Action
right,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
per
the
per
this
amendment,
the
board
would
have
to
vote
that
they
want
to
have
outside
hearing
officer.
So
clerk
reed
move
the
motion.
I
seconded
it
any
further
discussion:
okay,
seeing
none
all
in
favor
of
that
amendment,
all
right
all
right!
So
on
a
three
to
zero
vote,
that's
amended.
We
had
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
rules
so.
D
One
last
question:
regarding
the
rules:
apologies.
It
does
also
say
that
the
board
will
not
consider
whether
or
not
an
objective
has
first-hand
knowledge
of,
and
I'm
sorry
this
is
clerk
reed
speaking,
miss
hickey,
whether
the
board
has
first-hand
knowledge
or
I'm
sorry
whether
the
objector
has
first-hand
knowledge.
D
I
do
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
board
in
the
especially
if
we're
gonna,
request
a
records
examination
that
you
know
the
objector
doesn't
have
to
have
first-hand
knowledge,
but
somebody
should
have
first-hand
knowledge
if
we're
going
to
do
that.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification,
and
then,
with
that,
that's.
C
That
would
be
correct,
so
what
we're
looking
at
on
the
objection
is
the
four
corners
of
the
objection,
while
the
rules
of
evidence
should
be
followed,
they're
more
loosely
filed
as
this
is
quasi-judicial.
However,
you
are
correct
clerk
reid
that
someone.
C
If
there
is
a
question
of
fact,
the
person
testifying
should
have
first-hand
knowledge
or
someone
substantiating
the
claim
should
have
first-hand
knowledge,
but
the
board
really
should
just
be
looking
at
the
four
corners
of
the
objections
at
this
point.
Yes,.
A
All
right
so
we've
got.
The
amendment
has
been
passed
three
to
zero.
I
know
we
have
a
motion
that
was
seconded
to
pass
the
the
adoption
or
to
adopt
the
rules
of
procedure
all
in
favor
of
adopting
those
as
amended
all
right.
So
in
a
3-0
vote,
the
rules
are
adopted
as
as
amended,
mr
mayor,
those
are
gonna.
Those
are
those
are
gonna,
be
posted
by
our
city
attorney
staff
for
all
of
the
different
parties.
So
you'll
get
those
shortly
and
we'll
post
those
on
here
in
any
other
public
location.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
suggestion
to
change
the
order
of
the
the
agenda
a
bit.
We
have
just
to
keep
a
continuous
flow.
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
do.
For
example,
item
number
nine
last
so
when
this
board,
you
know
when
all
the,
when
this
board
potentially
convenes
that
it's
just
a
you
know
a
clean
switch
of
board
members.
A
A
I
was
actually
gonna
suggest.
We
do
item
number
nine
first,
because.
F
D
A
A
Don't
we
go
through
these?
Why
not
let
me
let
me
go
through
these
clerk
read
and
see
if
we
can't
get
this
so,
let's
just
recognize
and-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
parties
here
for
all
all
of
these
different
cases.
So
this
is
one
election
board
meeting
and
we
have
several
different
cases.
I
believe
there's
six
in
total,
the
first
one
is
case:
number
20
dash
m-o-e-b-e-v-o-2,
which
is
willie.
A
L,
jefferson
versus
rebecca
mendoza
is
willie
jefferson
with
us
or
his
or
her
attorney.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
thank
you,
and
do
we
have
rebecca
mendoza,
a
representative,
an
attorney
for
miss
mendoza.
A
All
right,
thank
you
in
this
case
is
involving
the
fifth
ward
of
evanston,
the
second
other
k
or
again
we're
gonna
go
through
all
cases,
just
making
sure
we
have
the
parties
here,
and
then
we
may
do
a
little
reorg
here
to
make
this
as
efficient
as
possible.
The
second
one,
which
is
number
seven
on
our
agenda,
is
case
number
20
dash
m-o-e-b-e-v
zero,
three,
which
is
miles
davis
versus
eric
young
and
mr
young,
is
running
or
submitted.
A
All
right
welcome.
Thank
you
eric
the
next
case.
We
have
is
case
number
20,
dash
m-o-e-b-e-v-04,
which
is
allison
harned
versus
jane
grover.
Do
we
have
ali
harned
or
an
attorney
for
her
present.
E
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
mullen.
Do
we
have
jane
grover,
an
attorney
for
jane
grover.
A
Case
number
nine
is
number
twenty
dash,
m-o-e-b-e-o-five
tom
osser,
etc
versus
shelly
carrillo.
Do
we
have
mr
osser
or
an
attorney.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
finko.
Do
we
have
shelly
carrillo
or
anyone
representing
miss
gorilla.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
the
claim
is
carillo
on
the
objection
to
yours
was
that
you
didn't
identify
an
office.
Could
you
just
share
with
us?
Was
there
a
specific
automatic
office?
You
were
running
for.
F
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Next,
one
number
10
on
our
agenda
is
case.
Number
20
dash,
m-o-e-b-e-v-06,
catherine
whitcomb,
comb
et
cetera
versus
eric
young.
A
Do
we
have
miss
whitcomb
or
I
know
there
were
several
parties
there.
M
Yes,
mayor
hagerty
david
foster
here
I'm
appearing
as
counsel
for
katherine
whitcomb
and
five
other
co-objectors.
The
name
is
david
d-a-v-I-d-d
foster,
f-o-s-t-e-r
catherine
whitcomb
is
on.
I
haven't
seen
whether
other
co-objectors,
besides.
A
I
I'll
just
say:
present
e-r-I-c-y-o-u-n-g.
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
right
and
then
the
last
one
we
have
is
case
number
20,
dash
m-o-e-b-e-v-07,
which
is
evie
kraus
russell
versus
elena
revell.
Do
we
have
miss
russell
and
her
attorney
for
miss
russell.
K
Franco,
andrew
finco,
here
for
the
objectors.
K
A
All
right
and
then
do
we
have
eleanor
revell
or
an
attorney
for
eleanor
revell.
N
Yes,
this
is
michael
krieloff
attorney
representing
miss
rebel.
Mr
bell
is
also,
I
believe,
on
on
the
zoom.
A
Right
great,
thank
you
all
right,
so
we've
run
through
all
the
cases
we
have.
We
have
six
cases.
I
would
recommend
that
we
hear
case
number
nine,
which
is
tom,
oscar
versus
shelley
carrillo.
I
would
recommend
we
hear
that
one
first,
so
that
way,
alderman
if
you
two,
because
she's
claiming
that
she's
running
for
the
eighth
ward,
both
of
you
are
also
running
for
the
eighth
ward,
I'd
recommend
we
substitute
in
aldermen
win
on
this
case.
D
Well,
we
don't
yeah,
we
just
we
just
have
to
yeah
recuse
ourselves,
so
I
I
mean
miss
gandurski.
C
Yes,
clerk
greed
and
alderman
rainey,
both
of
you
are
disqualified
from
hearing
this
case,
the
the
alternate
alderman
melissa
wynn
will
hear
this
case
with
mayor,
steve
haggerty.
C
C
And
miss
carrillo.
Are
you
available?
Please
turn
on
your
screen.
Okay,
mr
carrillo
is
present
miss
creo.
If
you
plan
to
testify
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
raise
your
right
hand
and
do
solemnly
swear
to
tell
the
truth
the
whole
truth,
nothing,
but
the
truth
so
help
you
god
I
do
let
the
record
reflect
that
miss
korea
is
present
has
been
sworn.
Mr
finko.
Do
you
intend
to
present
any
witnesses
today?
C
No
okay,
so
I
believe
all
the
parties
have
been
sworn
mayor.
I
will
leave
it
to
you.
A
So
per
our
rules
and
correct
me
miss
gandurski,
because
I
know
you're
certainly
more
in
depth
with
all
these
rules
than
I
am
but
per
the
rules.
The
objector
has
up
to
10
minutes.
To
present
your
objections,
mr
finko,
on
behalf
of
tom
osser.
A
At
that
point,
miss
carrillo
you'll
then
have
10
minutes.
Okay
to
refute
that
objection
and.
G
A
One
just
give
me
one
second,
on
the
process
and
then
and
then
mr
oster
will
have
a
opportunity
for
rebuttal.
Is
that
cur
is
that
correct,
miss
gandursky
and
how
much?
How
long
is
his
rebuttal?
How
much
time
does
he
get.
C
That's
correct:
we
should
limit
the
rebuttal,
let's
limit
the
rebuttal
to
two
minutes
thereafter.
I
would
also
state
this
that,
if
I
would
ask
before
we
begin,
are
there
any
preliminary
emotions
by
either
side.
C
C
C
So
the
motion
has
not
been
received:
miss
carrillo,
they.
C
C
Let
me
finish
explaining,
so
it
should
be
filed
with
the
clerk's
office.
You
can
also
send
me
a
copy
via
email.
I
can
give
you
my
email
address,
please
and
so
the
if
the
board
wants
to.
If
your
emotion
is
already
well,
if
you're
trying
to
file
the
motion
she
was
trying
to
file
the
motion,
my
recommendation
is
to
the
board
is
to
receive
the
motion.
A
C
I
concur
with
that.
Okay,
let's
miss
carrillo,
I'm
going
to
put
in
the
I'm
going
to
send
you.
What
is
your
email
address
and
I
can
send
you
mine
or
I'm
going
actually
I'm
just
going
to
announce
it
just
because
we're
meeting
virtually
I
want
to
ensure
that
due
process
is
met.
So
my
email
is
k.
Gandursky.
C
K-G-A-N-D-U-R-S-K-I
city
of
evanston.org,
also,
please
make
sure
you
file
your
motion
with
the
clerk's
office
as
well
and
clerk
reed.
Can
she
do
that
by
email.
D
Yes,
luke
shared
it
in
the
chat
there.
It's
a
city
clerk
at
city
of
evanston.org.
C
Okay
and
then
mayor
hagerty,
I
don't
know
if
you,
the
board,
wants
to
pick
a
date
to
reconvene
now
or
if
you
want
to
wait
till
the
conclusion
it
is
up
to
you.
A
Why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
and
pick
a
date
and
pick
a
date
now,
and
I
agree
it
should
be
short,
so
I'd
like
this
meeting
to
occur
again
this
week
is
two
is
two
days
enough.
If
we
did
this
on
wednesday
morning,.
A
K
Okay
and
mr
mayor
or
may
I
ask
if
the
objectors
could
get
leave
to
file
a
response
after
I
received
the
motion
to
dismiss
a
written
response.
C
So
miss
carrillo,
her
motion's
been
filed.
I
just
haven't
received
it.
Please
send
courtesy
copies
to
mr
finko,
mr
finko.
You
might
need
to
give
miss
carrillo
your
email
address.
I'd.
Ask
mr
finko
that
you
file
your
response
by
tomorrow.
K
K
C
Okay
in
council,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
your
response
be
filed
by
close
of
business
tomorrow
with
the
clerk's
office
and
with
my
office
as
well
to
my
email
address
with
courtesy,
copies
to
miss
carrillo,
I
will
ensure
that
the
board
receives
copies
of
everything
sounds
good.
Thank
you.
K
L
A
All
right
so
this
meeting
that
will
be
continued
on
thursday
at
9
00
a.m.
A
Right,
thank
you
to
both
both
the
parties.
Thank
you,
alderman
wynn,
for
being
an
alternate
and
filling
in
on
on
this.
We're
now
going
to
move
back
to
the
rest
of
the
agenda,
which
means
we're
bringing
back
clerk,
reed
and
alderman
rainey
clerk.
Do
you
have
something.
D
Yeah,
I
was
wondering
if
we
can
start
with
the
case-
katherine
whitcomb
case
number,
ten,
since
there's
a
bit
more
to
it
than
some
of
the
other
objections.
I
think
it's.
C
A
Yeah
I
was
gonna,
I
was
gonna
suggest
consolidating
case
number,
seven,
which
is
mile
david
miles,
davis
versus
eric
young,
with
katherine
whitcomb
versus
eric
young,
because
they're
also
alleging
the
same
violation
rules.
D
If
I
may
object
to
that,
there
are
differences,
I
mean
there
is
one
of
the
objections
that
are
similar
but
they're
also
represented
by
two
separate
attorneys.
I
believe
yes,
they're
represented
by
two
separate
attorneys
and
I
think
it'd
be
fair.
To
give
you
know.
C
E
E
My
apologies
for
mixing
those
up
in
in
the
objection
against
mr
young,
which
is
solely
based
upon
the
issue
of
the
binding
of
the
petitions
and
and
is
a
very
simple
and
short
objection.
E
The
other
objection
that's
filed
has
three
additional
objections,
some
of
which
are
are
going
to
require
significant
legal
briefing
and
others
of
which
I
believe
will
require
evidentiary
hearing,
and
I
think
it
would
be
both
for
the
record
that
we
would
need
to
create
if
there's
the
necessity
for
an
appeal
of
our
objection
as
well
as
I
believe
the
other
objection
will
take
a
significant
amount
of
time.
E
B
F
A
Right,
thank
you
all
right.
So,
having
heard
from
you
know,
different
people
on
this
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
keep
these
as
separate
cases.
We
won't.
We
won't
consolidate
them
because
I
do
think
there's
something
to
be
said.
If
a
party
wants
to
appeal
that
there's
a
specific
right
for
that,
I.
B
A
All
right,
then,
we'll
go
ahead
and
you
will
hear
that
motion
first
then
all
right,
so
we
will
start
with
the
objectors
on
this.
Objectives
are
represented
by
david
foster
as
their
as
the
council.
Mr
foster,
you'll
have
10
minutes.
I
will
ask
our
city
attorney
or
her
deputy
to
keep
track
of
the
of
the
ten
minutes
after.
I
I
I
I
still
have
not
been
served.
It
was.
I
received
an
email
yesterday
at
6
p.m,
from
kelly
gandurski
telling
me
that
our
meeting
is
today
so
in
regards
to
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
seeing
that
miles.
Davis
is
an
objector
to
me
and
it's
less
than
24
hours.
I'm
just
gonna.
Ask
that
we
did.
I
joined
the
continuance
on
thursday.
C
Okay,
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
jump
in
here.
First
of
all,
this
is
kelly
gandorsky.
I,
the
agenda
has
been
posted
since
friday,
with
all
of
the
objections-
and
I
sent
you
the
agenda
yesterday-
the
sheriff
has
made
due
diligence
in
attempting
to
serve
everybody.
C
You
know
it
if
the
sheriff
couldn't
serve
you,
for
whatever
reason
I
don't
know
what
that
reason
would
be,
but
notice
has
been
posted.
These
hearings
are
on
a
short
statutory
timeline
for
a
reason,
if
you
know
it,
you
had
an
opportunity
to
review
it.
When
I
sent
you
the
agenda
yesterday,
so
I'm
going
to
advise
the
board
that
we
proceed
today
unless
the
board
agrees
to
a
continuance,
but
but
so
first
I'd
like
to
to
take
care
of
that
housekeeping
matter.
C
Second,
after
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
both
parties
to
introduce
themselves
to
the
record.
Again,
I'm
going
to
remind
everybody.
We
have
a
court
reporter
so
jumping
in
on
screen
and
and
talking
out
of
turn
is
going
to
be
terribly
confusing.
For
this
record,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
everybody
be
respectful
of
that
rule.
Second
of
all,
after
the
board
rules
and
whether
we
are
going
to
hear
this
case
today,
I'm
going
to
ask
the
petitioner,
mr
foster
and
the
respondent,
mr
young,
they
have
any
preliminary
emotions
before
we
begin
so
board.
C
First,
I'm
going
to
leave
it
to
you
whether
you
wish
to
entertain
a
continuance
in
this
case.
D
I
I
would
say
you
know,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
move
forward.
You
know
I
I
these
are,
as
miss
gandersky
said,
time-sensitive
matters
and
mr
young
is
here
today
so
he's
aware
of
it
beforehand.
D
B
A
C
Very
good,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
council
for
the
petitioners,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
again
for
the
record.
M
Yes,
david
foster,
my
name
is
phil
d-a-v-I-d
f-o-s-t-e-r
and
I'm
counsel
for
the
petitioner
objection.
M
It
depends
I
I
was
going
to
try
and
simplify
things
for
the
board
by
asking
for
a
stipulation
as
to
the
format
of
mr
young's
papers
when
they
were
filed.
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
any
dispute.
I've
seen
a
photograph
submitted,
I
believe,
there's
no
dispute
that
they
were
submitted
in
loose
form
in
a
manila
folder
without
any
form
of
a
staple
binding,
clip
paper,
clip
or
other
mechanism
for
attachment.
M
M
Not
unless
needed,
ms
gandursky,
because
there's
a
dispute
on
that
point,
I
I
think
it's
undisputed
okay.
C
I
understand
mr
young,
do
you
please
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
C
Okay,
that
being
said,
are
there
any
preliminary
emotions,
mr
foster
or
mr
young,
aside
from
a
continuance.
I
M
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
mayor
haggerty,
court
reed
and
alderman
rainey,
I'm
going
to
try
and
just
do
two
things.
This
morning
I
tried
to
be
fairly
detailed
in
my
petition
so
that
all
of
you
have
the
exact
terms
of
the
objection
laid
out
in
full
in
writing
already.
M
M
C
Please
let
the
record
reflect
that
eric
young
has
been
sworn.
Mr
young.
Do
you
care
to
stipulate
to
mr
foster's
statement
as
to
how
the
petitions
were
filed.
C
Okay
is
mr
edward.
C
Okay,
mr
gomez,
you
you've
been
asked
to
be
called
as
a
witness,
so
I'm
going
to
since
you're
here
I'm
going
to
swear
you
in
to
testify.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
solemnly
sort
of
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
so
I'll
help
you
god?
C
M
I'm
well
thank
you.
You
are
the
deputy
city
clerk
in
the
city,
clerk's
office
of
city
of
evanston.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
and
in
that
role,
were
you
responsible
for
receiving
the
filing
of
certain
of
the
petitions
for
candidates
in
the
upcoming
municipal
elections?
M
Yes,
would
you
describe
for
the
board
please
the
form
of
those
petitions
when
they
were
submitted
by
mr
young.
O
O
O
C
Okay,
before
we
turn
it
back
over
to
mr
foster,
mr
young,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
mr
gomez
and
the
testimony
that
he
just
presented.
Do
you
wish
to
ask
him
any
questions
in
response.
I
M
M
But
what
that
court
made
clear
in
every
other
court
that
addresses
these
requirements
for
format
petition
makes
clear
is
that
if
a
candidate
fails
entirely
to
make
any
effort
to
comply
with
the
form
requirements
of
the
statute,
that
is
not
enough.
That
is,
that
does
not
satisfy
the
statute
and
the
petitions
have
to
be
rejected.
M
It's
clear,
illinois
law
now,
so
that's
that's
the
situation
we
face
here,
there's
not
an
ambiguity,
there's
not
a
factual
dispute.
These
were
loose
papers.
M
Now
I
want
to
raise
a
couple
of
points
besides
the
legal
points,
but
we
do
have
to
keep
in
mind.
This
is
preparatory
to
the
potential
legal
proceedings
if
there
were
to
be
a
challenge
on
either
side,
but
there's
some
policy
issues
that
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
here.
M
This
is
a
provision
that
goes
to
protecting
the
integrity
of
illinois
elections,
so
we
shouldn't
view
it
as
something
that
somehow
is.
Oh,
it
could
just
be
written
off
when
there
are
issues
of
protecting
the
integrity
of
the
system
protecting
against
corruption.
M
It's
important
that
we
that
we
pay
attention
to
those
rules
and
that
we
respect
them
now.
A
couple
of
other
points,
the.
M
G
M
All
right,
thank
you,
and
it's
not
just
in
the
guidebooks.
It's
right
there
in
the
petition
itself.
The
petition
right
at
the
top
says,
bind
here
in
all
capital
letters,
and
so
it's
it's
not.
This
is
not
a
a
difficult
requirement
to
comply
with.
M
Finally,
I
want
to
talk
about
just
as
a
third
policy
manner.
There's
a
temptation
sometimes
when
there
are
rules
that
have
serious
consequences,
there's
a
temptation
to
say:
well,
it's
not
necessary
to
follow
it
here
problem.
If
we
go.
M
M
That's
what
happens
if
no
one
would
pay
attention
to
stop
signs.
It
puts
the
system
at
risk
with
this
particular
provision
of
finding
that
someday.
We
put
ourselves
in
a
position
of
having
tampering
of
having
slip
sheeting
of
having
additions
or
subtractions
after
filing.
M
F
M
Okay,
I
I
apologize
and
what
I
would
simply
say
is
we
can't
go
through
what
we've
gone
through
in
the
last
month,
without
realizing
the
importance
of
election
officials
who
faithfully
and
diligently
comply
with
application
of
the
law
and
do
so
without
favor
or
partisanship,
that's
critical
to
the
integrity
of
the
electoral
process,
and
we
all
need
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Thank
you.
I
would
ask
that
otherwise,
the
municipal
board
looked
closely
at
the
petition
objections.
I
think
everything
there
is
laid
out
quite
well.
M
I
would
ask
that
there
be
a
finding,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
proven
by
the
preponderance
of
the
evidence
that
the
petitions
were
not
bound
in
any
way
as
submitted
thanks
very
much,
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
take
them
an
hour
later.
C
Thank
you,
mr
foster.
Mr
young,
you
have
10
minutes,
so
you
have.
You
can
discuss
your
response
to
those
arguments
and.
D
If
he's
bringing
counsel
today
and
we're
going
to
continue
in
this
moment,.
I
D
C
All
right-
and
I'm
going
to
suggest
this
as
a
matter
of
procedure,
if
any
of
the
respondents
who
do
not
have
counsel
wish
to
obtain
counsel.
That
motion
really
should
be
made
before
we
begin.
This
is
you
know
we
are
on
an
expedited
schedule
and
I'm
gonna
ask
that
everyone
be
respectful
of
that.
This
is
not
set
by
the
board.
This
is
not
set
by
me.
This
is
set
by
your
illinois
legislators.
C
So
so
there
was
a
motion
to
continue
for
council
clerk.
Reed
says
he
will
accept
that
motion.
I
don't
know
if
the
board
wants
to
second
that
and
move
to
continue
or
if
you
want
to
keep
eating
today.
A
All
right,
let
me
just
be.
Let
me
be
clear
on
something
I
thought
that
mr
young
said
he
had
counsel
here
and
just
asked
that
his
counsel
speak.
Is
that
correct
eric
or
were
you
looking
yeah,
that's
correct,
so
so
it
wasn't
continuing
we're
saying
we're
saying
that
we're
fine
with
having
eric
young
represented
right
now
by
council,
that's
going
to
speak
on
his
behalf
kelly,
so.
C
That's
fine,
the
council
will
announce
him
or
herself
and
please
I
I
expect
that
everyone
today
will
be
filing
their
appearances
if
they
haven't
done
so
already
with
with
the
clerk's
office
and
copying
me
on
the
email.
So
who
is
counsel
for
mr
young?
Please
speak
up.
Q
Q
Good
morning
to
the
board
and
to
the
mayor
and
to
council
as
well
and
again,
I
want
to
apologize
for
my
casual
appearance
this
morning.
But
let's,
let's
attribute
that
to
the
crazy
times
that
we're
living
in
as
well
as
the
fact
that
mr
young
notified
me
about
this
hearing
last
night.
I
believe
when
he
first
received
informal
notice,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
counsel.
I
will
file
an
appearance
and
make
sure
that
I
circulate
copies
as
you
directed.
Q
Q
So
first,
I
would
want
to
reiterate
mr
young's
motion
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
that's
put
onto
the
record,
I
believe
mr
young
initially
made
a
motion
regarding
service
of
process
and
a
lack
of
actual
process
due
process
provided
to
him
under
the
election
law.
Mr
young
was
required
to
be
served
with
process
either
through
certified
mail
or
through
the
sheriff.
Q
I
believe
there's
some
comments
made
earlier
in
the
meeting
that
I
heard
that
efforts
were
made
by
the
sheriff,
but
I
think,
what's
clear,
for
the
record
is
that
no
service
was
ever
made,
so
mr
young's
limited
appearance
and
initial
objection
was
based
on
a
jurisdictional
objection
and
on
a
process
objection.
I
understand
we're
operating
under
an
expedited
schedule,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
waive
the
obligations
to
provide
process
to
our
petitioners.
So
I'd
like
to
reiterate
that
motion
I'd
like
the
opportunity
to
brief
it
and
provide
a
quick
written
response.
Q
I
heard
earlier
that
a
response
responded
was
allowed
48
hours
to
provide
that
written
response.
I
believe
I
could
provide
that
exact
same
response
in
that
same
time
limit
that's
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
put
before
the
board.
D
I
I
think
I
would
deny.
D
As
mr
young
is
here
he's
been
notified,
he
was
able
to
retain
counsel
last
night.
Q
Just
so,
I
understand
the
the
motion
to
deny
space
that
in
less
than
24
hours
time,
you're
saying
the
petitioner
should
have
been
able
to
get
himself
ready
and
to
file
a
written
response
to
these
objections
and
to
prepare
for
a
hearing
with
less
than
24
hours
notice.
Is
that
the
that's?
The
argument.
M
May
I
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
momentarily
please.
This
is
david
foster.
I
I'm
not
sure
mr
dale,
what
it
is
you're
saying
when
you
say
you
weren't
served.
I
served
your
client,
mr
young,
by
email.
I
know
it's
a
good
email
for
him.
I
got
no
bounce
back
from
the
email,
and
so
I
and
in
fact
the
rules
of
this
board
is
adopted
in
2018
and
is
re-adopted
just.
M
Just
across
the
year
this
year,
gandursky
as
counsel
to
the
board-
and
I
served
mr
young
at
e-young54
gmail.com.
M
I
I
would
object
to
any
kind
of
delay
for
addressing
this,
because
that's
a
that's
a
question
of
law
that
I
think
the
court
can
address
immediately.
C
I'm
going
to
stop
everybody
just
for
a
second
clerk
rita
made
a
motion
to
deny
the
continuance.
Is
there
a
second
from
the
board.
C
A
C
So
and
again,
this
is
all
we're
on
an
expedited
schedule
for
the
state
statute,
and
so
the
state
statute
requires
that
the
city
only
make
its
best
efforts
to
attempt
to
serve.
We
sent
everything
to
the
sheriff's
office.
We
sent
everything
by
certified
mail.
C
We
you
know
if
service
was
uneffectuated,
that's
not
on
a
default
of
the
city
or
a
lack
of
effort
on
the
city,
mr
foster,
I
believe
is,
is
just
trying
to
bolster
the
argument
to
say
that,
in
addition
to
that,
he
sent
service
via
email
to
mr
young,
which
I
I
think
matters
not
at
this
point-
that
the
main
point
is
whether
or
not
the
city
made
its
best
attempts
to
serve.
C
Mr
young
is
here
today
and-
and
I
can
attest
to
the
board
as
an
officer
of
the
court,
that
I
sent
the
agenda
to
mr
young
yesterday
via
email
when
he
requested
it,
so
the
email
was
sent
with
the
agenda.
The
agenda
contained
the
objections.
Mr
young
has
counsel
here
today,
so
it
it.
If
I'm
advising
the
board,
it
would
not
be
improper
to
proceed
today.
It
is
up
to
the
board
whether
the
board
wants
to
grant
the
continuance.
Q
Finally,
respond
very
briefly
to
ms
gandersky's
comments.
My
my
first
question
would
be
when
ms
gandersky
says
that
she
attempted
to
serve
mr
young,
through
the
sheriff
and
through
certified
mail,
but
has
given
no
indication
as
to
when,
if
she's
going
to
hold
the
standard
to
an
expedited
best
best
attempt
or
best
best
attempts
policy,
then
we
would
at
least
like
to
know
when
she
tried
to
make
this
service
if
she
tried
to
make
it
on
saturday
night.
That's
obviously
not
best
efforts.
Q
The
fact
that
mr
young
never
received
a
certified
mailing,
which
should
have
come
within
a
few
days
if
service
was
made
in
a
timely
manner,
is
evidence
that
maybe
ms
kanderski
has
not
made
best
efforts
to
serve
mr
young
and
the
fact
that
he's
appeared
today,
because
he
emailed
her
having
received
less
than
24
hours
notice
that
this
hearing
was
going
to
take
place.
I
think,
is
evidence
only
that
he
wanted
to
protect
his
rights,
not
that
he
was
submitting
to
jurisdiction.
C
P
Yes,
thank
you,
ms
gandersky.
My
name
is
alexandra
ruggy
a-l-e-x-a-n-d-r-a
ruggy
r-u-g-g-I-e.
Again,
I'm
an
assistant
city
attorney
with
the
city
of
evanston.
I
went
to
the
sheriff's
office
on
december
3rd.
I
can
see
from
the
sheriff's
website
that
an
attempt
was
made
on
friday
december
4th
to
serve
mr
young.
Additionally,
all
items
were
mailed
out
on
the
third
via
certified
mail.
These
are
the
requirements
per
the
election
code.
P
The
city
has
limited
timing
as
to
when
these
items
must
go
out.
The
mayor
was
served
with
the
objections
and
the
city
had
24
hours
in
order
to
send
these
out
and
the
city
did
comply.
Additionally,
we
then
have
a
limited
option
of
how
many
days
we
must
hold
the
hearing
by
and
that's
why
the
hearing
was
scheduled
for
today,
based
on
the
statute.
D
I'd
also
like
to
note
you
know,
I
guess
this,
you
know
the
material
stuff
was
already
stated,
but
to
miss
gandursky's
point
earlier.
The
agenda
was
posted
friday.
Also,
the
clerk's
office
maintained
a
public
database
where
folks
could
see
you
know
all
of
the
petitions
and
the
objections,
and
it
was
posted.
You
know
within
minutes
of
the
objection
coming
in,
so
you
know
any
candidate
who
would
have
suspected
or
you
know
I
think
most
candidates
went
to
that
spreadsheet-
to
see
what
objections
were
or
were
not
filed
against
their
candidacy.
Q
So
I
guess
in
my
final
that
I
appreciate
the
points
I
appreciate
the
testimony.
I
guess
my
final
argument
in
rebut
to
that
and
I'll
just
let
the
record
stand
as
it
is.
Is
that
so
far
I've
heard
a
lot
of
arguments
from
the
city
and
from
the
alderman's
attorney
about
policy
matters
and
about
how
this
is
a
crazy
time,
and
we
should
allow
the
city
leniency
because
we're
on
an
expedited
basis,
and
we
should
maybe
overlook
the
requirements
of
due
process
and
actual
service.
Because,
again
it's
an
expedited
process.
Q
I'm
wondering
why
the
same
doesn't
apply
for
the
petition
or
mr
young
when
it
comes
to
some
of
these
objections
that
were
raised,
and
even
just
his
request
for
a
brief
continuance
to
allow
for
a
response.
It
seems
if
we're
going
to
be
fair
here
from
a
policy
or
practical
matter.
We
should
at
least
allow
mr
young
the
same
courtesy
to
get
his
response
in
order
to
allow
as
the
council
to
review
the
objections
and
to
have
a
very
limited
amount
of
time
to
address
these.
A
Mr
dale,
if
I'm,
if
I
move
a
motion
for
continuance,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
pass,
but
if
I
move
that
motion
for
continuance
on
thursday
morning
at
9
00
a.m,
are
you
willing,
then,
to
to
drop
the
argument
about
hey
we
weren't
served?
Are
we
still
going
to
be
fighting
that
argument,
as
opposed
to
the
arguments
of
the
objector
about
whether
it
was
properly
bound
whether
the
signatures
are
valid
and
all
of
that.
D
Before
before
you
make
that
motion,
there
are
a
few
things
that
I
I
would
like
to
clean
up
today:
it'll
maybe
save
eric
young
and
his
attorney
some
money.
So
before
we
can,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
vote
for
that
on
one
of
the
issues
in
particular,
but
if
there
are
a
few
things
that
we
can
clean
up
before
that
motion
specifically
objection
number
four
through
number
two
objection
one
can
stand
and
we
can
continue
on
that.
But
if
I.
A
A
Let
me
move
my
motion.
I'm
going
to
move
a
motion
for
continuance
for
9
a.m.
On
thursday
morning
for
the
case
20
m-o-e-b-e-v-06,
catherine
whitcomb,
et
cetera
versus
eric
young,
I
will
also
does.
Let
me
ask
this
question:
does
the
same
apply
council
dale
to
the
other
case
of
miles
davis
versus
eric
young,
or,
were
you
properly
or
were
you
served
on
that
one?
I.
Q
I
Yeah,
I
was,
I
was
not
sure,
from
miles
davis,
so
I'd
like
to
leave
that
to
thursday
as
well.
A
B
A
Okay,
all
all
in
favor
of
moving.
D
All
right
just
just
discussion,
I
I
really
do
think
before
we
vote
on
this.
It's
it's
prudent
that
there
are
a
certain
number
of
objections
here
that
we
could
just
clear
up
today.
I
think
council,
for
mr
young
may
not
be
opposed
to
clearing
up
the
objections.
You
know
number
four
through
number
three
on
the
whitcomb
petition.
D
I
think
that
would
help
expedite
the
process
even
thursday.
If
we
cleared
some
of
those
objections,
I
had
no
objection.
E
May
I
speak
for
a
moment.
I
I
believe
this.
This
also
refers
to
mr
davis.
Is
that
am
I
understanding
the
motion
correctly.
E
E
I
would
just
ask
that,
if,
if
we
are
moving
the
entire
case
to
the
to
thursday,
whether
the
deputy
clerk
will
be
here
on
thursday
for
me
to
get
the
same,
testimony
that
mr
foster
did
or
whether
we
need
to
take
care
of
that
today,.
C
Mr
gomez,
are
you
present
please
yourself:
are
you
able
to
be
present
thursday
at
9
00
a.m?
That's.
E
A
M
Yeah,
I
may
I
be
heard
mayor
hagerty
the
concern
I
have,
and
this
may
be
something
that
you're
going
to
take
up
next
is
it
sounds
to
me
as
though
mr
dale
plans
to
submit
a
paper
in
opposition,
which
is
fine.
I
think
we
ought
to
follow
a
similar
schedule,
giving
me
a
chance
to
respond
to
his
paper
opposition.
A
So
similar
schedule
to
what
was
discussed
on
the
case,
I
thank
you.
I
I
agree
and
again
I
think
the
written
sort
of
arguments
will
help
which
we
receive
from
you,
the
and
the
objectors
all
the
objectors
we
haven't
received
from
eric
young
and
his
attorney
so
miss
gandursky.
Can
you
just
set
the
schedule
for
these
attorneys,
so
they
know
when
to
have
certain
paperwork
done
once
we
pass
this
motion.
A
If
this
motion
motion
passes
so
so
any
further
discussion
on
this
motion
of
a
continuance,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
all
in
favor,
okay,.
Q
D
O
D
Is
that,
mr,
is
that
attorney
dale?
Yes,
yes
yeah
there
were.
I
think
it's
prudent
some
of
these
objections.
I
think
we
can
clear
up
today
and
save
some
time
and
some
maybe
money
for
mr
young,
because
at
face
value,
some
of
the
objections
are
can
can
be
cleared
up.
So
if
I
could
be
allowed
to
go
through
just
three
through
or
four
through
two
and
then
leave
one,
the
binding
issue
to
be
continued.
A
D
A
All
right
mayor
hagerty's
an
I
all
right
this
both
of
the
cases
which
is
number
six
on
the
agenda.
Willie
jeffers
excuse
me
number
seven
on
the
agenda
miles
davis
versus
eric
young
and
number
10,
katherine
whitcomb
versus
eric
young,
has
been
continued
to
thursday
morning.
9
a.m.
Miss
gandersky.
Could
you
please
just
lay
out
the
schedule
for
the
attorneys
in
terms
of
when
they
have
certain.
C
Council
mullen
council
foster
council
dale.
Any
responsive
pleadings
to
the
objection
are
due
tomorrow
december,
8th
at
the
close
of
business
and
please
email
that
to
the
clerk
reid
has
indicated.
He
will
accept
service
over
email
given
the
pandemic,
and
I
would
like
to
be
emailed
as
well
luke
stoke.
Can
you
put
my
email
address
in
the
chat
box?
Please,
and
also
again,
the
clerk's
email
address
in
the
chat
box,
so
that
council
can
obtain
that
information
and
then
all,
please
make
sure
you
serve
each
other.
All
opposing
parties
as
well.
E
Correct
your
your
email
and
clerk
reads:
email
are,
are
in
the
chat,
mr
dale,
could
you
give
me
your
email
please,
and
I
will
give
you
mine.
M
Yes-
and
you
have
you
have
my
email
already
in
the
papers,
mr
dale,
but
I'm
happy
to
give
it
to
you
again.
It's
david.foster
retiredpartner.lw.com,
but
it's
it's
right.
My
signature
blog
all
right,
very
good.
Mr.
Q
E
Five
and
so
that
so
5
p.m.
Tomorrow
is
when
the
the
the
briefing
from
mr
dale
is
due,
and
then
when
would
you
like
the
replies
from
from
mr
foster,
and
I.
C
We
haven't
set
a
schedule
for
replies
if
you
are
to
file
a
reply.
Let's
schedule
it
for
close
of
business
december
9th
5
o'clock.
Q
E
Do
you
have
a
form
for
that
on
the
website,
or
do
you
just
want
us
to
file
just
write
up
an
appearance.
F
Q
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
dale.
Thank
you
to
all
the
parties
on
that
all
right,
so
we
have
three
cases
that
have
been
continued
right
now:
thursday:
nine
a.m.
We're
now
going
to
move
to
item
number
six
on
our
agenda,
which
is
case,
number
20,
dash
mmo-02,
which
is
willie,
l,
jefferson
versus
rebecca
mendoza,
I'm
going
to
ask
miss
gandersky
if
she'll
oversee
the
proceedings
of
this
case,
good.
C
Morning,
mr
mullen,
please
again
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record
and
indicate
who
you
are
representing.
C
You're
speaking
about
ms
mendoza,
yes,
okay,
deputy
clerk
gomez,
has
already
been
sworn
for
the
record
deputy
clerk
gomez.
You
are
still
under
oath,
so
just
remember
that
miss
mendoza,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record
and
please
at
this
time,
indicate
if
you
have
an
attorney.
H
Are
you
there?
Yes,
I
am
hi
good
morning
again
rebecca
mendoza
r-e-b-e-c-a
m-e-n-d-o-z-a
and
I
do
not
have
an
attorney
with
me
at
this
time.
Okay,.
C
Do
you
intend
to
call
any
witnesses
today?
Yes,
okay?
Who
do
you
intend
to
call
mr
gomez?
Okay,
mr
gomez
again
has
been
sworn
and
he's
under
oath
and
he
is
present
today,
I'm
going
to
ask
just
to
be
expeditious,
miss
mendoza.
Do
you
have
any
motions
to
make
today
before
we
begin.
H
Well,
I
would
like
to
motion
to
subpoena
mr
mr
gomez,.
C
C
Okay,
I'm
going
to
ask
this
just
to
be
clear:
are
the
parties
ready
to
proceed
this
morning?
Yes,.
G
C
Perfect
miss
ruggy,
please
at
the
clock,
mr
mullen
you'll
have
10
minutes.
Miss
mendoza
you'll
have
10
minutes
in
response
and
then
let's
set
a
two-minute
reply
thereafter,
if
the,
if
there's
any
witnesses
called
the
opposing
party,
will
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
witness
that
has
been
called.
So
let
us
begin,
mr
mullen,
you
have
the
form.
Sorry
excuse
me.
H
Sorry,
one
of
the
I
I
do
want
to
call
an
additional
witness
and
who
is
that
miss.
C
Okay,
if
miss
carrillo
wants
to
dial
back
in
and
at
the
time
you
want
to
call
her,
we
can
swear
her
in
as
a
witness
for
you.
Miss
mendoza.
Is
that?
Okay?
Yes,
okay!
All
right!
Mr
mullen.
E
Before
we
begin
the
time,
if
I,
if
I
may
deal
with
a
housekeeping
issue,
it
is
standard
normally
for
the
board
to
introduces
exhibits
the
petitions,
the
objection,
the
the
service
of
the
call
and
the
rules
of
procedure
for
the
record.
D
Yes
or
good,
miss
ganders.
D
So
a
motion
to
introduce
the
original
the
petitions
that
were
filed,
I
think
mayor
hagerty-
should
have
that
it's
in
it's
within
the
city's
building
the
I
also
motioned
to,
as
exhibit
one
as
exhibit
two
I
motioned
to
introduce
the
objectors
or
the
verified
objectives.
Petition
filed
with
the
clerk's
office,
as
exhibit
three
a
motion
to
enter
the
rules
of
procedure,
and
I
forget
exhibit
four-
is
we've
got
the
objectives,
petition
the
petitions,
the
rules
of
order
and
then
the
call
of
order.
C
The
board
was
emailed
the
original
copies
of
everything,
so
that
should
all
they
should
all
have
that.
E
D
It
it
should
be,
it's
deputy
clerk
gomez
is
within
the
city
building
and
those
documents
are
there
as
well,
so
deputy
claire
gomez,
if
they.
P
C
All
right,
perhaps
we
can
take
a
brief,
three-minute
recess.
D
Okay
sure
I
make
a
motion
to
recess
until
10
26..
Second.
C
I'm
just
gonna
ask
the
board
when
you're
back.
Please
start
your
video
again
so
that
we
can
see.
C
C
C
A
I
did
I
reviewed
the
original
nominating
petitions
there
with
mr
gomez
right
now,
but
he
brought
them
up
to
my
office
and
I
reviewed
them
and
he
presented
them
as
he
claims
they
were
presented
to
his
office
when
they
were
submitted.
C
Okay,
so,
mr
mullen
this
the
case
in
chief
is
yours:
you
have
10
minutes.
Are
you
ready
to
proceed.
E
Good
morning,
mr
gomez,
do
you
have
the
petitions
in
in
front
of
you
at
the
moment?
Yes,
I
do.
Okay,
can
you
show
those
to
the
video
please.
O
O
These
are
the
petitions,
I'm
the
deputy
city,
clerk
and.
E
In
that
role,
do
you
have
any
role
in
accepting
petitions
and
nominating
papers
for
candidates
for
offices
in
evanston?
Yes,
I'm
the
one
that.
E
And
did
you
accept
the
petitions
that
are
in
front
of
you
from
candidate
mendoza.
O
E
And
are
the
petitions
as
they
are
in
front
of
you
now
in
the
same
state
as
they
were
when
they
were
filed?
Yes,
and
can
you
describe
whether
there
is
anything
fastening
those
petitions
together?
There
is.
O
O
O
O
E
And-
and
that
is
how
they
were
presented
to
you
when
when
they
were
filed
yes,
and
did
you
have
any
conversation
with
miss
mendoza
when
she
filed
the
petitions.
O
O
E
Have
not
okay,
is
it
possible
for
me
to
share
my
screen,
or
is
that
not
allowed
on
here.
E
Did
you
did
you
take
a
photograph
of
the
petitions
when
they
were
filed?
Yes,
okay
and
did
you
where
are
those
photographs
stored.
E
And
so
I
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
the
objectors.
E
E
Yeah
I
wanted
to
lay
a
foundation
for
the
for
the
the
photograph
of
the
of
the
of
the
petitions,
but
I
I
think
his
testimony
as
to
what
how
they
were
filed
is
fine.
So
I
have
no
further
questions
for
mr
gomez.
C
Okay,
before
we
I'm
gonna
hit
the
stop
timer
just
for
a
second
we're
gonna
pause,
miss
mendoza.
Do
you
have
any
cross-examination
from
mr
gomez.
H
Yes,
I'm
sorry
I'm
muting.
I
would
just
like
to
remind
mr
gomez
that
he
is
under
oath.
C
C
Let
the
record
reflect
miss.
Mendoza
has
been
sworn
in.
Miss
mendoza,
mr
gomez,
has
been
an
advantage
she's
under
oath.
So
if
you
have
questions,
let's
just
get
to
it,.
H
Okay,
mr
gomez,
when
I,
when
I
came
in
with
my
paperwork,
I
asked
you:
if
you
had
a
stapler,
and
you
said
no,
I
do
not
have
a
stapler.
H
I
then
started
walking
away
and
looking
through
my
pockets,
for
there
was
fasteners
on
the
table,
and
I
started
looking
through
my
pockets
to
to
find
a
pen
or
something
to
pour
for
to
perforate
the
my
papers,
and
you
said
to
me:
that's:
okay,
you
don't
need
to
do
it.
You
can
just
give
them
to
me.
As
is.
Did
you
not
tell
me
that
it
was
okay
to
turn
them
in,
as
is.
H
Is
was
my
intention
to
either
to
staple
my
petitions
and
at
that
time
there
was
no
stapler
on
the
table.
This
is
a
separate
location
when
he
told
me
that
I
naively
assumed
that
he
would
at
some
point
staple
them.
I
assumed
that
by
him
saying
it's:
okay,.
C
C
I
C
And
you
can
do
any
follow-up
to
that
line
of
questioning.
E
So
so,
mr
gomez,
did
you
tell
her?
It
was
legally
sufficient
for
her
to
file
the
papers
without
binding
them.
O
O
C
All
right
since
there's
no
further
questions
and
I'm
going
to
ask
miss
mendoza
based
on
that
line
of
questioning
just
to
be
fair,
do
you
have
any
brief
follow-up?
Just
on
that
line
of
questioning
for
mr
gomez,
I
do.
H
E
Okay,
miss
gomez.
Do
you
have
a
I'm
sorry,
mrs
mendoza?
Do
you
have
an
email
address
that
I
can
send
you
something
to
right
now.
B
O
H
C
Muted,
mr
mullen
you've
got
four
minutes
and
16
seconds.
Mr
gomez,
I
think
the
line
of
questioning
for
you
is
done,
mr
mullen
any
other
witnesses
to
call.
C
B
E
B
F
B
C
Okay,
miss
mendoza,
you've
been
put
under
oath.
Mr
mullen
wants
to
call
you
as
an
adverse
witness.
Mr
mullen
you've
got
three
minutes
and
55
seconds.
E
C
All
right,
mr
mullin,
your
argument
is
done.
Unless
you
want
to
make
any
additional
arguments,
you
have
three
minutes
and
30
seconds
left.
Would
you
like
to
make
any
other
points?
Yes,.
E
I'll
be
very
brief,
the
objection
cites
an
appellate
court
case
from
the
illinois
first
district,
which
is
binding
on
this
electoral
board.
That
says,
the
requirement
that
the
petitions
be
fastened
in
book
form
securely
when
they
are
filed
with
the
board
is
determined
by
a
standard
of
strict
compliance,
as
opposed
to
substantial
compliance
and
is
a
mandatory
requirement,
and
if
the
candidate
fails
to
comply
with
that
requirement,
their
nominating
petitions
and
their
papers
are
not
valid.
Ms
mendoza
has
stated
to
the
board
that
she
was
aware
of
that
requirement.
E
Beyond
that,
there
is
a
case
that
was
decided
by
the
chicago
electoral
board,
which
I
have
sent
to
the
the
clerk
and
miss
gandurski,
as
well
as
to
miss
mendoza,
and
that
is
the
valentin
case
where
very
similarly,
the
the
clerk
accepted
the
petitions.
But
the
electoral
board
said
that
the
clerk's
acceptance
of
the
petitions
did
not
make
them
legally
valid
under
the
the
requirements
of
of
the
election
code
and
the
case
law
interpreting
the
requirement
of
strict
compliance
under
the
case
law.
E
In
addition,
what
I've
provided
to
the
board,
as
well
as
ms
mendoza,
is
from
the
cook
county?
Clerk's
office,
a
summary
of
what
is
required
for
a
parent
conformity,
which
is
the
absolute
minimum
bar
that
petitions
must
pass
in
order
to
be
accepted
by
an
election
authority
and
the
apparent
authority
or
apparent
conformity
requires
that
the
petitions
be
bound.
So
this
is
not
a
complicated
issue
of
law.
E
E
So
it
is
our
request
that
this
board
follow
the
illinois
court
of
appeals,
ruling
and
judge
mendoza's
petitions
on
a
strict
compliance
standard,
and
under
that
standard
she
has
admitted
she
was
aware
that
they
were
supposed
to
be
bound
and
that
they
were
not
filed
in
in
a
bound
form
and
therefore
her
petitions
are
not
be
valid
and
her
name
should
be
stricken
from
the
the
ballot.
C
Okay,
very
good:
if
the
board
is
so
inclined,
I
will
reset
the
clock:
miss
mendoza.
You
have
10
minutes
to
present
any
witnesses
and
respond
accordingly.
D
C
C
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
turn
your
video
on
please
all
right.
There's
miss
carrillo,
miss
carrillo,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
C
H
Hi,
it's
nice
to
meet
you
hi.
So
I
know
that
I
I
believe
that
you
were
in
the
room
when
I
was
attempting
to
submit
my
paperwork,
and
I
would
I
would
appreciate
if
you
were
able
to
to
recap
me
attempting
to
bind
and
asking
the
the
clerk
if
he
had
a
stapler
and
looking
and
and
leaving
to
go,
bind
my
my
paperwork
and
then
being
told
by
the
city
clerk
that
it
was
okay
to
submit
my
paperwork,
as
is.
E
To
this
question
it
it
it's
leading
and
argumentative,
and
you
could
just
ask
what
observed.
C
Mr
mullen,
your
objections,
the
rules
of
evidence
are
loosely,
can
shoot
here
in
an
effort
to
help
miss
mendoza,
miss
mendoza,
it's
better.
If
you
just
ask
miss
carrillo
direct
questions,
for
instance,
was
she
there
with
you
when
you
turned
in
your
petitions?
What
did
she
observe?
C
H
Thank
you,
miss
carrillo.
Are
you
able
to
to
recap
for
us
what
you
saw
as
when
I
was
turning
in
my
paperwork.
L
Yes,
I
was
there
when
you
were
attempting
to
file
or
to
bound
and
file
your
paperwork.
I
do
remember
seeing
you
ask
for
a
stapler,
and
I
do
remember
hearing
mr
gomez
say
that
it
was
okay
for
you
to
turn
in
your
paperwork
as
it
was
thank.
H
C
Do
you
have
any
other
questions
for
miss
carrillo?
No,
that's
it!
Okay,
I'm
going
to
stop
the
timer
so
that
we
preserve
your
time.
Mr
mullen,
do
you
have
any
cross-examination
for
miss
carrillo
based
on
that
testimony.
L
Well,
I
was,
I
was
staying
at
a
distance
because
of
the
the
the
virus.
E
E
Okay,
so
you
were,
you
were
doing
something.
While
you
were
overhearing
part
of
the
conversation
you
were
focused
on
on
filing.
L
O
E
L
C
C
C
Okay,
restarting
the
timer,
you
have
seven
minutes
and
18
seconds
left
to
make
any
further
arguments.
H
I
would
like
to
to
note
that
I
was
not
served.
I've
been
in
quarantine
and
have
not
left
my
house
for
12
days.
I
found
out
about
the
hearing
last
night
at
about
4
p.m,
on
social
media.
So
I
did
not
have
time
to.
This
is
all
that
I
had
time
to
prepare
and
I
did
not
have
details
of
the
of
the
serving
papers.
H
So
I,
if
possible,
I
would
like
to
know
where,
where
the
the
sheriff
attempted
to
to
deliver
the
paperwork,
because
I
again,
I
have
not
left
my
house
in
the
time
that
I've
been
in
quarantine.
C
Miss
ruggy
again
for
the
record
is
assistant
city
attorney
who
went
to
the
sheriff's
office
last
week,
thursday
december
3rd.
She
has
previously
testified
and
she
will
look
to
see
where
the
sheriff
has
attempted
service.
D
C
Yes
again,
I
have
explained
to
the
parties
present
that
if
there's
any
motions
to
be
made
at
the
beginning
to
please
do
so.
I
asked
that
question.
I'm
also
going
to
state
that
you
know
people
are
here
today,
appearances
are:
are
people
are
present
and
appearing
no
motion
in
this
case
was
made
to
continue.
I
asked
if
there
were
any
motions,
so
I'm
just
going
to
advise
the
board
of
that
accordingly,.
A
B
That,
indeed,
is
a
problem:
2122
ashland,
that's
where
these
are.
C
So
this
is
an
error
by
the
sheriff's
office,
miss
mendoza
you're.
Here
today,
we've
conducted
the
hearing
and
the
majority.
If
you,
if
we
were
to
continue
the
case,
I
would
ask:
what
would
you
seek
to
have
the
continuance
on?
What
would
you,
what
would
you
like
to
do.
C
Okay,
that's
not
the
question.
The
question
is:
if
you
you're
you're,
claiming
that
you
weren't
properly
served,
I
asked
for
promotions
up
and
it
confirmed
I
wasn't
properly
served.
Let
me
let
me
finish
what
I
have
to
say:
there's
a
court
reporter
trying
to
take
down
information
and
she
can't
take
down
both
of
what
we're
saying.
C
At
the
same
time,
you
say
that
you
weren't
properly
served
miss
ruggy
confirmed
that
the
sheriff's
office
served
another
party
with
the
last
name
same
last,
name
improperly,
I
asked
if
there
were
any
motions
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
We
did
not
make
any
we've
conducted
almost
a
full
hearing
now,
so,
if
this
matter
were
to
be
continued,
what
would
you
like
to
continue
it
for.
C
A
I
would
just
say
kelly:
I
am
partial
to
miss
mendoza's
request
for
continuance,
because
you
know
it's
hard,
I
mean
miss.
Mendoza
is
not
an
attorney,
and
so,
when
you
ask
all
these
things
up
front
as
an
attorney
there's
a
bunch
of
attorneys
speak,
I'm
not
an
attorney.
You
know
and
that's
why
I've
sort
of
asked
you
to
run
this,
but
there's
a
lot
of
attorney
speak
and
I
don't
think
that
we
can
expect
necessarily
that
you
know
residents
or
people
just
interested
in
running
for
office.
A
Understand
that
so
when
you
say
up
front,
are
there
any
motions?
I
I
don't
know
if
I,
if
I
was
just
representing
myself,
I
went
through
this
four
years
ago.
When
I
ran
for
mayor-
and
you
know
I
had
an
attorney
thank
goodness
because
otherwise
I'd
probably
just
try
to
be
answering
these
things
and
so,
which
I
I
appreciate
that
miss
mendoza
has
been
doing
today.
A
But
I
think
in
fairness,
because
of
the
mistake
that
was
made
and
I'm
not
sure
that
by
the
way
that
that
I
can't
say
that
that
was
the
sheriff's
department's
mistake
or
evan
or
the
city
of
evanston's
mistake
in
giving
the
wrong
address
to
them.
I
don't
I
don't
know,
but
clearly
we
know
where
the
individual,
where
the
server
went
and
it
wasn't
to
ms
mendoza's
residence,
and
so
I
would
move
a
motion
to
continue
this
on
thursday
morning
at
9
00
at
9
00
a.m.
A
Thank
you,
ed
all
right,
so
seeing
no
further
discussion
all
in
favor
of
continuing
this
on
thursday
at
9am
right
so
we'll
do
that
and
then
kelly.
Why
don't
you
talk
to
miss
mendoza
and
and
attorney
mullins
just
about
what
the
timeline
would
be,
especially
if
rebecca
wants
to
go
find
an
attorney.
C
C
Okay
and
then
the
hearing
will
be
12
10
and
then
I
would
like
to
say
for
the
record:
if
there
are
any
other
parties
who
are
contesting
that
they
haven't
been
served
and
would
like
a
continuance.
Please
let
us
know
that
before
we
begin,
I
think
this
is
the
second
or
third
time
I've
made
the
announcement.
I
appreciate
what
you've
said
mayor,
so
if
there's
any
other
parties
that
feel
they
have
not
been
served
or
would
like
an
attorney,
please
let
us
know
before
we
begin
your
case.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
attorney
mullins
and
thank
you
for
your
efforts
today
and
and
rebecca
mendoza.
Thank
you
for
yours
and
we'll
continue
this
on
thursday
morning
at
9.
00
a.m.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
We're
going
to
move
now
to
the
next
case,
which
is
item
number
eight
on
our
agenda.
This
is
case
number
20
dash
m-o-e-b-e-04,
which
is
allison
harned
versus
jane
grover.
She
has
submitted
petitions
jane,
grover
has
to
be
to
run
for
city
clerk
of
evanston.
A
Allison
harned
is
represented
by
ed
mullins
on
this.
So
why
don't
we
first
move
and
kelly?
Perhaps
you
can
cite
them
the
legal
perspective
to
enter
into
the
record
all
the
official
documents.
C
Miss
grover
before
we
begin
I'm
going
to
swear.
Are
you
a
licensed
attorney.
C
Swear
you
in
that.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
Please
raise
your
hand.
Do
you
solemnly
sort
of
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth,
nothing,
but
the
truth
I'll
help
you
bad.
Yes,
I
do
okay,
great.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
ms
grover
has
been
sworn
miss
grover,
mr
mullen.
Before
we
begin,
is
there
any
motions
you
want
to
make
to
continue
this
matter?
Miss
grow,
ready,
motions
to
obtain
counsel,
any
contest
of
service.
J
E
C
Miss
ruggy
was
ms
grover
was
the
packet?
Did
the
packet
include
the
objection
from
the
sheriff's
office.
P
So
the
packet
does
not
include
the
objection
from
the
sheriff's
office
per
statute.
It
just
requires
a
service
of
the
call
and
the
agenda,
but
the
objection
was
posted
on
the
city's
website
with
the
agenda
as
part
of
the
omar
requirements.
J
Just
a
suggestion
that
in
the
future
there
ought
to
be
a
more
formal
way
of
making
sure
ensuring
that
candidates
receive
copies
of
the
objection.
Thank
you
clerk
reed
for
posting
it
on
the
clerk's
website
and
thank
you
for
the
heads
up
that
it
was
there,
but
for
other
candidates
prospective
candidates.
They
may
not
know
to
do
that.
I'm
going.
C
C
Thank
you
all
right
clerk
having
no
motions
been
made
at
this
time,
clerk
region.
J
Excuse
me,
madam
attorney,
I
do
have.
I
will
be
filing
a
motion
to
dismiss
to
overrule
the
objections
and
to
dismiss
the
objection.
Okay,.
C
So
we
should
again
we've
we've
set
a
briefing
schedule
for
other
candidates
board
members.
We
should
my
recommendation.
The
board
would
be
to
follow
the
same
schedule.
F
I
agree
so.
A
It
so
miss
gandursky,
though,
do
we
even
want
to
enter
the
records
that
we
have
today
into
the
documents
that
we
have
today
into
record?
Or
are
we
saying
that
we
will
continue
this
on
thursday
morning
at
9
00
a.m,
giving
the
petitioner
the
right
to
file
a
motion
to
dismiss.
D
I'll
move
to
enter
the
original
petitions,
as
exhibit
one
the
positions
of
jane
grover
who's
seeking
the
office
of
city
clerk.
I
will
move
also
to
enter
the
verified
objectives
petition,
as
exhibit
two.
I
will
then
move
to,
as
exhibit
three
include
the
the
call
to
order
and,
as
exhibit
four.
D
The
service,
I
think
it's.
F
C
All
right,
so
that
being
said,
miss
miss
grover.
The
same
briefing
schedule
we've
been
setting
if
the
board
is
amenable
is
all
responsive.
Pleadings
are
will
be
due
at
close
of
business
tomorrow,
so
12
8
at
5
pm
and
mr
mullin.
Your
reply
will
be
due
12
9
by
5
pm,
and
we
will
see
you
all
back
at
12
10
at
9
00
a.m.
E
Just
the
the
motion,
I
I
would
need
your
your
email
as
well.
Mine
is
edmundlaw.gmail.com.
A
Comcast.Net
all
right
so
then
I'm
just
to
take
care
of
that
official
business.
Then
I'm
going
to
move
to
continue
case
number
20
m-o-e-b
dash,
e-v-04,
allison
harney
versus
jane
grover
to
this
third
coming
thursday
at
9.
00
am
for
a
second.
B
B
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
both
the
parties,
all
right,
we're
now
going
to
move
to
the
last
case
on
our
agenda
today
that
we
haven't
discussed,
which
is
item
number
11,
which
is
case
number
20,
dash
m-o-e-b-e-v-07,
which
is
evie
kraus
russell
versus
eleanor
revell,
who
is
a
candidate
or
submitted
petitions
for
running
for
seventh
ward
alderman.
C
Mr
stowe,
can
you
grant
him
permission
please
and
then
counsel
for
alderman
ravel.
N
Michael
krieloff,
I
filed
appearance
and
I
also
need
permission
for
the
video.
C
All
right,
we
have
the
objection
on
file.
We
have
a
motion
to
dismiss
on
file
as
well.
Have
mr
finko,
have
you
received
a
copy
of
the
motion
to
dismiss.
K
C
All
right,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
any
contests
for
service,
since
we
have
a
council
here
appearing
an
emotion
to
dismiss
so
again.
My
recommendation
to
the
board
will
be
to
set
the
same
briefing
schedule
as
we
have
for
the
other
parties
and
continue
this
matter
to
12.
10.
briefing
schedule
again
would
look
up
like
responsive
pleading
due
tomorrow,
close
of
business,
12
8,
and
any
reply
thereafter
do
close
the
business
12
9
by
5
p.m.
F
F
C
D
Yes,
yes,
I'd
like
to
move
the
original
objectives.
Petitions
exhibit
one
the
I'm
sorry.
The
original
petition
is
exhibit
one
the
original
objectives
petition,
as
exhibit
two
the
call
to
order,
as
exhibit
three
and
proof
of.
C
G
C
D
D
D
K
I
have
excuse
me,
ms
kanderski,
yes
andrew
finco,
speaking
for
the
objector
evie
cross
russell.
I
have
a
couple
of
other
questions
or
points
I
wanted
to
raise
on
this
objection.
K
Number
one
would
be
if
it
would
be
possible
to
have
deputy
clerk
gomez,
provide
his
photograph
and
testify
on
thursday
and
if
candidate
revell
could
testify
as
well
on
thursday.
N
N
All
right,
thank
you
and
and
on
behalf
of
candidate
rebel
andy
mr
finka
you're,
asking
if
I'll
have
her
appear.
I
believe
miss
revell
is
on
here
and
is
available
and
will
be
asked
to
appear
at
the
hearing
and
maybe
she's
unmute.
Let
me
just
check.
H
N
C
Okay
and
mr
deputy
clerk
gomez,
I'm
going
to
ask
remind
you
to
be
present
at
thursday
at
9
00
a.m
and
please
have
photographs.
Let's
do
it
this
way,
photographs
of
all
of
the
petitions
that
you've
taken
ready
and
please
be
ready
to
share
that
on
your
screen
as
well,
so
that
we
can
just
be
expeditious
on
thursday.
K
May
I
ask,
may
I
ask
if
it
would
be
possible
for
the
deputy
clerk
to
email,
a
copy
of
those
photos
that
were
taken
on
the
filing
date
to
me
and
to
mr
krieloff
ahead
of
the
hearing.
D
As
a
another
note,
if
we
are
done
with
setting
a
schedule
for
this
case
to,
for
you
know
to
make
sure
that
we're
moving
expeditiously
council
gandurski
in
the
event,
you
know
that
the
board
in
miss
grover's
case
does
not
accept
the
motion
to
dismiss
and
a
records
examination
is
requested.
D
C
Absolutely
it's
a
great
question,
so
my
recommendation
to
the
board
would
be
to
instruct
deputy
clerk
gomez
to
invite
the
interested
parties
to
examine
the
petitions
in
person.
D
My
apology,
so
the
county
clerk's
office,
has
to
do
that.
So
I
spoke
to
jesus
christ.
Why
am
I
blanking
on
her
name?
Colleen
gleason?
I
spoke
with
colleen
gleason,
the
director
of
elections,
and
so
when
we
won
a
records
examination
those
records,
those
original
signatures
can
only
be
verified
at
the
county
and
so
we've
requested
of
of
the
county.
C
A
C
Now
but
just
to
make
sure,
and
then
on
top
of
that
once
there
has
been
an
inspection,
I
think
mr
gomez
should
be
present
as
well.
He
can
write
a
report
back
to
the
board
as
to
what
was
discovered
at
that
inspection.
F
A
C
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
point
of
order.
The
rules
state
that
the
court
reporter
does
not
transcribe
public
comment
but
should
come
back
on
after
public
comment
to
transcribe
any
other
business
and
adjournment.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
note.
A
Thank
you
for
making
that
point
kelly.
That's
helpful
all
right!
Well,
thank
you
to
all
the
parties
that
came
forward
for
all
those
that
are
petitioning
for
office
and
all
those
raising
objections.
We
appreciate
your
time
this
morning
we're
now
going
to
move
to
public
comment,
which
is
item
number
12
on
our
agenda.
A
Luke
stowe,
I
didn't
see
if
anyone
had
signed
up
for
public
comment.
Could
you
let
me
know
if
that's
the
case.
R
There
is
no,
you
know
the
form
that
I
have
access
to.
A
All
right
so
there's
no
one,
there's
no
one
that
has
signed
up
for
public
comment
kelly.
Could
you
or
clerk
read
let
the
public
know
because
again,
we'll
do
the
same
thing
on
thursday.
We'll
have
public
comment
at
the
end.
If
anyone
wants
to
speak,
I
just
want
them
to
understand
how
to
sign
up
for
public
comment.
R
D
Okay,
maybe
we
can
include
a
link
in
the
agenda
since
folks
aren't
as
familiar
with
these
meetings.
A
A
Is
there
a
motion
to
recess
this
to
continue
this
meeting
on
thursday
at
9
00
am
so
moved.