►
From YouTube: Housing & Community Development Committee 10-18-2022
Description
The Housing & Community Development Committee discussed the One stop Stop Program and the small & medium landlord assistance program. More information, agenda, and packets are available on the Committee's webpage: https://www.cityofevanston.org/government/housing-community-development-committee
Residents and landlords needing assistance with landlord-tenant issues can contact MTO for free assistance through 311 or directly at 773-292-4988.
Interested in Evanston Inclusionary Housing affordable rentals? Please complete the pre-application on CPAH's website. If you have questions, please contact CPAH at 847-681-8746
A
Begin
so
we
have
three
people
we're
going
to
follow
the
usual
process.
We
have
three
people
that
signed
up
for
a
public
comment:
I'm
gonna
pull
the
list
right
now
to
make
sure
I'm
catching
everybody.
But
in
the
meantime,
if
anybody
would
like
to
provide
public
comment
and
hasn't
signed
up
on
the
usual
form,
they
are
invited
to
do
so
by
raising
their
hand
with
the
button
at
the
bottom
of
their
screen,
and
we
will
unmute
them
after
people
that
have
signed
up
have
spoken.
A
So
we
are
going
to
start
with
Mr
Sutton
I.
C
Carlos
good
evening,
honey
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
have,
and
first
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
the
things
that
you're
doing
to
address
the
housing
problems
and
and
things
that
we
have
here
in
Evanston.
But
I
just
want
to
comment
briefly
about
I'm,
still
a
little
bit
confused
about
the
difficulties
of
getting
any
kind
of
assistance
to
small
landlords
who
have
suffered
adversely
from
tenants
who
could
not
be
evicted
during
the
covet
19..
C
And
why
is
it
that
you
could
get
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
businessmen
on
Main
Street
for
their
loss?
But
yet
we
have
to
show
our
tax
returns
and
then
you're
talking
about
a
minimum
amount
of
about
twelve
thousand
dollars.
I
would
rather
not
apply
for
a
program
that
has
all
those
kinds
of
commitments.
C
When
I
see
the
city
spending
a
million
dollars
to
repair
the
floor
on
Robert
Crown
when
I
see
the
city
spending
money
on
so
many
other
things
that
I
think
are
are
necessary,
but
still
not
addressing
the
needs
of
taxpayers
in
this
community
that
have
paid
taxes
for
decades.
And
when
we
ask
for
a
minimum
amount
of
assistance,
the
only
thing
we
get
is
the
runaround
so
I.
C
Thank
you
for
addressing
the
concern
but
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
kinds
of
bureaucracy
and
requirements
for
the
minimum
amount
that
you
will
plan
to
give
for
small
landlords
that
have
units
of
zero
to
thirty
five.
Thank
you
have.
B
D
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes:
can
hi
Gail,
oh
terrific,
hi
thanks
it's
good
to
be
here.
I
I
also
am
speaking
on
the
the
arpa
funds
for
small
and
medium-sized
landlords
and
I
I.
Think
this
is
a
great
initiative
and
I
I
read
read
the
memo.
D
The
only
thing
that
I
would
suggest
is
making
it
clear
bumping
up
the
eligibility
for
landlords
that
run
to
low
income
residents,
so
otherwise
the
way
it
reads,
even
though
it
says
that
there's
an
affordable
housing
benefit,
it
would
be
good
if
there
was
a
preference
for
those
who
are
renting
to
to
households
with
low
incomes,
but
I
do
think
it
is
a
it's
a
great
idea,
because
most
of
the
naturally
occurring,
affordable,
housing
stock
is
owned
by
you
know,
quote
unquote:
mom
and
poplian
words.
E
F
Hi
good
evening,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
Tina
hi
hi,
I'm
speaking
also
on
the
same
subject
of
affordable
housing
and
I.
Do
as
well
appreciate
you
attempting
to
help
the
landlords
with
this
repair.
Unfortunately,.
F
F
F
This
12
or
15
thousand
dollars
does
not
even
cover
the
damages
that
was
left
by
the
two
connections
family
that
abandoned
my
left,
the
place
in
shambles
and
anybody
could
apply.
You
said
one
two
fifteen
one,
two
thirty
five
units,
and
so
maybe
there
was
a
landlord
that
wasn't
even
devastated
and
they
could
apply
and
get
the
money.
F
There's
a
person
presenting
tonight
that
you
all
gave
a
million
dollars.
So
they're
gonna
put
some
insulation
in
some
people's
homes
and
they
get
a
million
dollars.
I
hope
that
you
think
about
this
again
and
the
the
length
of
time
that
you're
discussing
to
even
give
us
any
money,
you're
talking
about
February.
Now,
how
long
do
we
have
to
wait?
F
G
And
then
Marianne,
you
said
we
got
some
email
comments.
Did
we
or
yes.
A
We
did,
we
got
a
comment
from
James
amack.
He,
which
is
a
who
is
a
landlord
and
he
wasn't
able
to
attend.
So
he
provided
written
comments.
So
I
can
read
the
comment.
Yeah.
A
He
thinks
the
best
way
to
capture
lost
income
effect
from
the
pandemic
would
be
to
compare
2021
and
come
to
2019.
That
should
be
relatively
straightforward
for
most
landlord
and
it
would
be
a
reasonable
assumption
that
a
drop
in
income
between
these
years,
if
there's
one
is
likely
due
to
the
pandemic.
A
A
A
Unfortunately,
from
his
own
situation,
he's
just
above
this
with
39
units
and
he's
disappointed
that
it's
so
close,
but
he
wouldn't
be
eligible
he's
wondering
if
the
committee
could
consider
going
to
a
higher
limit
than
36
for
a
situation
like
his,
maybe
four
landlords
that
rent
like
him,
mostly
to
low-income,
tenants
or
just
suggest
a
way
to
measure
looking
at
the
percentage
of
total
apartment,
rented
to
tenants
who
have
section
8
vouchers
and
maybe
establishing
a
minimum
threshold
of
10
or
20
percent
for
eligibility
and
then
finally,
he
would
like
to
be
able
to
share
that.
A
He
wants
to
clarify
comments.
He's
made
about
vacancy
being
factor
in
reduced
State
rental
income.
You'd
mentioned
that
I
was
an
issue.
He
can
tell
from
his
experience
that
there's
no
problem
renting
available
units
in
Evanston.
The
issue
has
been
dealing
with
tenants
who
were
unable
to
pay
rent
due
to
increased
costs
and
difficulty
of
getting
units
prepared
for
rental.
They
were
a
shortage
of
various
contractor,
especially
earlier
in
the
pandemic,
and
essentially
that
extended
quite
a
bit
vacancies
and
therefore
lasting
loss
of
income.
A
G
A
Yes,
I
absolutely
can
share
those
comments
by
email
with
the
committee.
Okay
and
then
I
have
one
other
person
signed
up
for
comments,
but
I
am
actually
not
sure
of
what
the
procedure
is
in
this
case,
I
have
a
city
council
member
that
is
signed
up
for
public
comment
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
process
is,
and
the
case
of
public
comment
for
HTTP
I.
A
Right,
wonderful,
so
I
have
council,
member
Claire
Kelly.
That
I
would
like
to
provide
some
comments.
Okay
and
you
should
be
able
to
speak
right
now,
council,
member.
H
Kelly
great,
thank
you
so
much
I
wasn't
sure
either
how
that
works
in
terms
of
the
rules,
but
thank
you
and
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that
this
committee
is
is
discussing
and
moving
forward
on.
Hopefully,
allocating
funding
for
our
small
and
medium-sized
landlords
and
I
would
have
to
second
what
Ms
Schechter
said
in
terms
of
prioritizing
those
who
are
providing
affordable
housing.
It's
so
important
that
we
preserve
our
natural
housing
stock
and
particular
our
mom
and
pop
stock.
H
It's
important
that
our
city
is
integrated
and
that
we
have
affordable
housing
spread
out
throughout
Evanston
and
I.
I
would
just
ask
that
we
really
remove
any
sort
of
bureaucratic
obstacles
and
and
really
expedite
the
allocation
of
this
funding.
I
think
the
this.
This
housing
stock
is
so
important
to
us
in
Evanston,
again
as
it's
spread
out
smaller
smaller
buildings
and
again,
more
deeply
integrating
our
city
as
opposed
to
you
know
just
single
locations
but
spread
out
with
in
you
know,
with
this
natural
occurring
housing
stock.
H
I'd
also
ask
that
we,
we
really
do
look
at
and
consider
the
amount
that
we're
allocating
and
really
consider
it
might
be
necessary
to
increase
that
amount.
It
is
just
so
important
to
maintain
these
this
housing
and
to
look
at
what
else
we
can
do
to
support
it,
and
it's
just
I
I,
think
the
city
in
the
past
obviously
has
not
been
supporting
this
housing
enough
and
it's
it's
really
precious
to
our
city,
precious
to
the
goals
of
affordable
housing.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
I
About
that
hi
everybody
I
I
am
a
senior
at
acrossman,
University,
I'm,
22
years
old,
I
live
in
Evanston
and
I
just
wanted
to
say,
like
my
pieces,
if
I've
been
thinking
the
last
couple
of
months
and
the
years
living
here,
I've
disappointed
at
the
city
about
the
housing
situation
coming
here
to
look
at
low
income
student
I
have
not
really
been
well
received
in
Evanston
as
finding
housing.
I
There's
been
virtually
no
off-campus
supported
by
the
University
Housing
I
started
looking
in
January
and
come
on
any
housing
at
all.
As
you
might
know,
students
look
for
it
very
very
early
and
I
had
to
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
Living
so
close
to
campus,
because
I
don't
have
any
communication
or
ways
to
get
to
campus.
I
Besides
walking
and
I
was
paying
a
lot
of
out
of
my
budget
as
well
as
like
I
think,
a
house
would
have
been
a
great
choice
for
me:
the
average
the
brothel
law
I'm
not
able
to
get
a
house
that's
affordable
for
me.
I
Because
of
that
reason,
and
that
reason
only
and
my
friends
and
my
experience
is
that
I
have
found
that
most
landlords
that
I've
been
with
have
not
been
reliable
in
terms
of
funding,
affordable,
housing
and
I
know
that
there's
housing,
that's
about
20,
minutes
away,
that's
affordable,
but
of
course
the
CTA
is
not
at
this
point:
reliable
social
infusion
that
they're
on
time
and
I.
Just
I
really
urge
this
committee
to
look
into
like
the
connection
with
students.
A
lot
of
students
come
to
the
school
and
that
are
low
income.
I
That
really
cannot
afford
to
live
here
and
they
kind
of
leave
being
disappointed
in
Evanston
as
a
housing
situation
has
to
do
that
broth.
A
lot
and
due
to
the
lack
of
multi-family
housing
that
is
off-campus
that
is
close
by
and
I,
also
want
to
say
that
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
also,
with
the
the
way
that
the
city
is
trending
towards
raising
rent
and
raising
the
price
of
a
lot
of
restaurants
that
are
nearby
in
Evanston.
I
I
know
that
in
the
past
four
years,
I've
seen
Burger
King
go
away.
I've
seen
Panera
go
away,
I
see
a
lot
of
places
go
away
and
what
has
plates
them
is
very
expensive
places
to
eat
and
I
know
that
the
rents
of
those
places
in
terms
of
buildings
have
skyrocketed
in
terms
of
things
like
Burger
King,
and
that
contributes
a
lot
to
like
affordable
places
to
eat,
as
well
with
a
lot
of
money
on
food
and
a
lot
of
them
on
groceries.
I
We
can't
afford
also
to
pay
rent
as
that
high
and
so
I
really
urge
City
to
look
into
like
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
some
kind
of
subsidization
subsidizing.
These
houses
sometimes
I,
think
these
restaurants
in
order
to
actually
offer
affordable,
low-income
housing
here
and
so
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
a
student
and
say
that
I'm
leading
this
University
not
very
impressed
with
the
way
that
Evanston
has
coordinated
with
University
in
terms
of
finding
affordable
housing
for
students
and
housing
in
itself.
A
So
this
sounds
like
this
is
the
end
of
our
public
comment
time.
We
it
doesn't
look
like
cancel.
My
read
or
Burns
have
joined
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
any
way
to
at
least
proceed
with
the
presentation
from
our
guests
tonight.
Given
there's
no
vote
about
the.
E
J
K
J
K
B
E
G
And
we
might,
we
might
want
to
have
our
guests
come
back
again
next
month
as
well.
But
if,
if
they're
here
and
they
I
mean
I
I'm
eager
to
just
hear
where,
where
we
are
with
the
with.
J
E
A
A
And
welcome
Bob
Dean
Bob
Dean
is
joined
as
a
panelist.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
We
also
have
Kara
Pratt
I
have
the
slides
that
you
were
looking
to
presents
Bob
I,
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
have
an
updated
version,
I
can
also
try
to
see
if
you're
able
to
share
them,
but
otherwise
I'm
happy
to
share
my
screen.
Yeah.
M
You
can
just
use
those
Mary
and
there
aren't
any
updates.
We
may
have
Robbie
Marcus
also
here
and
he
might
be
involved
in
answering
questions.
So
if
you
get
promoted
too
that'd
be
great.
A
So
I
think
you've
presented
called
a
couple
times
before
Bob.
Thank
you
for
joining
I'm
gonna
go
right
into
the
slideshow.
Unless
you
wanted
to
provide
any
kind
of
introduction
to
your
presentation.
Yeah.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
Marion
secular,
arrange
things
on
my
screen
here,
yeah.
Well,
thank
you
for
having
us
here
and
also
for
supporting
this
project.
M
It
was
presented
to
you
over
the
summer
I'm
Bob
Dean,
with
CNT,
also
here
with
Robbie
Marcus
with
the
Evanston
development
Co-op,
and
we
wanted
to
refresh
your
memory
about
projects
to
go
timeline
your
rules
and
talk
about
some
of
the
positions
we
did
want
to
spend
a
fair
amount
of
time
tonight,
talking
about
The,
Advisory
Group,
that
we'd
like
to
Forum,
which
is
not
going
to
require
a
vote
by
your
committee.
M
But
if
you
would
like
to
hold
that
discussion
until
everybody's
here,
that's
fine,
so
I'll
get
through
the
first
half
and
then
you
can
see
if
you
want
to
proceed
with
us
talking
more
about
the
Advisory
Group,
we're
still
in
the
process
of
getting
all
of
the
administrative
requirements
that
are
needed
for
this
program
going
City,
but
I
think
we're
close
enough
to
getting
it
done
that
it's
worthwhile
to
really
start
planning
for
startup
here.
M
So
the
program
Basics
around
this
slide
here
at
the
very
end,
is
sharing
it's
a
pilot
project
meant
to
improve
the
Energy
Efficiency
climate
resilience
and
overall
health
of
existing
affordable
housing
units
in
the
city.
So
this
program
is
recommended
in
a
planning
study
that
CNT
did
with
the
city,
which
was
funded
through
a
national
partners
for
places,
grants
and
really
that's
where
the
the
idea
for
this
originated.
M
It's
also
consistent
with
the
climate
action
and
resilience
plan
adopted
by
the
city
a
couple
years
ago,
so
we
have
the
tween
goals
here
that
rotary
in
10,
on
of,
on
the
one
hand,
improving
sustainability
and
resilience
and,
on
the
other
hand,
advancing
equity
and
those
both
are
important
elements
of
this
program
and
also
have
cnc's
Mission.
So
we're
very
we're
excited
to
be
working
on
this
here
with
the
funding
that
we
have,
which
is
a
million
dollars
from
arpa.
M
We
expect
to
make
improvements
to
around
50
housing
units
with
a
mixture
of
single-family
inside
family
and
we're
continuing
to
approach
like
we
did
when
we
put
this
out
to
to
focus
these
in
neighborhoods
with
the
highest
concentrations
needed.
So
in
the
Fifth
Ward
in
areas
of
the
second
war
near
the
high
school
and
the
eastern
part
of
the
eighth
Ward
on
the
Chicago
border,
so
that
corresponds
with
census,
tracts,
80,
92,
80,
96
and
8102
for
those
people
who
think
about
census
tracts.
M
So
this
is
meant
to
improve
these
particular
units,
but
also
do
a
few
other
things.
We
really
want
here
to
build
contractor
capacity
to
do
these
types
of
events,
because
we
expect
demand
for
this
sort
of
work
should
arise
in
the
future
and
we'd
like
to
have
Evanston
housed
contractors
ready
to
do
it
and
as
a
pilot,
we
also
want
to
test
the
model
of
a
comprehensive
rather
than
a
single
purpose,
approach
to
housing,
rehab
or
instead
of
applying
separately
for
a
number
of
improvements.
M
You
can
get
screened
and
qualified
for
a
number
of
things
that
your
home
needs
all
at
once.
We
hope
to
attract
resources
from
other
programs
to
complement
the
million
dollars
in
our
funding.
That's
already
been
put
in,
for
example,
funding
for
that
service
line
replacement
or
for
solar
installation,
for
example,
could
be
added
to
this
program
and
then
roll
it
out
in
the
same
way,
next
Slide
the
use.
So
the
schedule
here,
which
was
in
your
materials
too,
is
really
just
meant
to
show
a
staggered
approach
to
construction.
M
The
green
here
are
the
places
where
we'll
be
actually
in
units
doing
construction
work,
and
this
is
meant
as
an
illustration.
Things
probably
won't
fall
exactly
like
this,
but
the
general
concept
is
to
start
the
on
the
ground
work
in
homes
in
about
March
and
to
be
complete
by
fall
of
2024
with
then
monitoring
and
documentation
of
impacts
to
follow
sort.
This
slide
also
shows
is
the
range
of
building
types
we're
intending
to
do
a
mix
of
single
family
and
multi-family.
So
we,
our
plan
right
now,
is
to
serve
about
50
units.
M
That's
going
to
depend
on
exactly
how
much
everything
costs
once
we
get
in
there
and
prioritize,
but
some
are
multiple
units
in
one
building,
and
so
when
this
actually
rolls
out,
it
may
be
more
in
the
range
of
14
buildings
are
served
approximately
because
there's
going
to
be
again
as
many
as
20
units
in
some
of
these
next
slide.
Please-
and
there
are
three
organizations
involved
in
the
project
team
I'm
with
CNT
we're
the
officials
we
hold.
M
The
official
contract
with
the
city
we'll
be
staying
a
step
away
from
the
actual
construction
work,
which
gives
us
the
ability
to
provide
broader
kind
of
oversight
and
evaluation
of
how
the
program
is
going.
I'll,
be
the
lead
contact
with
the
city
and
with
you
as
I'm.
M
The
CEO
of
CNT
and
also
an
Evanston
resident
I,
was
one
of
the
the
volunteers
who
worked
on
the
climate
plan
a
couple
years
ago,
which
is
why
I'm
getting
personally
involved
in
in
being
your
lead
for
this
project,
we're
partnering
with
Elevate,
who
does
this
type
of
work
as
the
regular
business
across
the
country
and
they're
really
providing
their
technical
expertise
throughout
and
then
EDC
Evanston
development
is
our
main
point
of
contact
for
residents
and
contractors
and
will
provide
participant,
intake
instruction
management
and
contractor
coordination.
M
So,
in
a
study
that
recommended
this
program,
we
found
that
having
a
local
mission-driven
organization
be
the
lead
for
Resident.
Interaction
was
really
important
in
terms
of
building
trust
with
residents
and
in
terms
of
letting
the
program
be
sustained
over
time.
So
next
slide,
maybe
as
one
of
the
items
we
want
to
talk
about
today,
was
The
Advisory
Group
that
we
would
like
to
form
to
help
us
answer
some
program.
Designing
questions
prior
to
launch.
So
I
wanted
to
do
that.
M
But
I
wanted
to
pause
anyway
for
questions
or
thoughts
and
and
see
if
there's
anything
on
what
I've
said
so
far,
which
is
meant
to
be
a
refresh,
but
I
wanted
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
before
we
asked
questions
about
what's
next
so.
A
I'm
going
to
quickly
interject
thanks
for
your
presentation,
just
want
to
mention
that
council
member
Burns
has
joined,
which
means
that
we
can
proceed
with
the
meeting
as
planned
right.
G
Yeah,
just
so,
does
anybody
have
a
question
about
sort
of
this
overview
of
the
program.
G
M
We
actually
need
to
answer
that
question.
That's
one
of
the
things
we
want
an
advisory
can
group
to
advise
on
because
it
could
either
be
a
requirement
or
a
preference,
and
so
I
think
we
don't
know
yet
we'd
like
to
talk
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
both
of
those.
G
Well.
Well,
then,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
The,
Advisory
Group
and
how
how
this
group
will
assist
in
the
program-
and
you
know.
M
What
you're
thinking
thank
you
I'd,
be
happy
to
so.
I
I
have
three
slides
on
this,
so
I'll
just
roll
through
all
three
and
then
we
can
can
have
some
q
a
so.
The
the
purpose
of
The
Advisory
Group
that
we're
recommending
here
is
to
provide
a
community
voice
as
we're
rolling
out
the
program
and
evaluating
its
success.
We
want
to
have
a
variety
of
perspectives
represented
on
there,
so
that
we
get
our
a
range
of
feedback,
we're
thinking.
M
If
the
group
is
up
to
12
stakeholders,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
quite
that
big.
It
could
be
a
little
bit
smaller
and
we've.
We
have
some
budget
that
we
allocated
in
our
proposal
for
modest
stipends
for
anyone
that
we
want
to
invite
who
would
have
trouble
participating
without
them.
We
expect
relatively
frequent
meetings
during
program
design
so
prior
to
launch.
We
want
to
have
the
group
meeting
about
monthly
and
then
fewer
during
implementation,
and
probably
once
after
completion
to
talk
about
how
it
went.
M
So
that's
probably
six
to
eight
meetings
overall
over
the
course
of
the
program.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please-
and
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
we
would
like
to
discuss
with
the
group-
one
is
how
to
recruit
participants.
This
is
a
relatively
small
pilot,
as
I
said,
we're
going
to
serve
about
50
units,
and
that
may
be
as
small
as
14
Property
Owners
actually
get
engaged.
M
So
we
don't
want
thousands
of
applicants,
meaning
that
we'd
we're
proposing
to
do
since
this
is
a
pilot,
some
targeted
recruitment,
rather
than
broad
advertisement
like
to
talk
about
the
way
to
do
that,
most
appropriately.
M
M
As
far
as
the
paperwork
that
an
applicant
or
participant
needs
to
to
put
together,
we
want
to
make
that
as
as
minimal
as
possible
paid
participation
to
your
question
a
minute
ago,
chair
Ravel,
we
have
identified
Geographic
priorities
in
terms
of
report
and
census
tract,
but,
as
we
know,
words
and
census
traps
don't
line
up
with
each
other
perfectly.
So
we
do
need
to
Define
more
precise
boundaries
and
also
determine
if
it's
a
preference
or
requirement
to
participants
are
in
these
boundaries.
M
We
certainly
want
to
focus
in
those
areas
of
high
need,
but
if
there's
a
building
that
is
serving
a
large
that
has
a
large
number
of
affordable
units,
which
seems
like
an
interested
participant,
is
that
going
to
be
a
preference
or
requirement
is
a
question.
We
need
to
answer
we're
very
concerned
and
interested
in
preservation
of
affordability,
particularly
in
rental
properties.
M
So
we
want
to
talk
about
strategies
to
ensure
affordability
is
maintained,
which
probably
would
be
in
the
form
of
requirements
put
on
landlords
as
a
condition
of
program,
participation
that
we
need
to
work
out
exactly
what
those
requirements
would
be
and
what
the
enforcement
mechanisms
also
would,
and
we
want
to
talk
about
contractor
engagement
and
what
types
of
other
resources
the
program
can
make
available
that
are
useful
to
participants
and
other
questions
like
that.
That
may
come
up.
M
So
this
is
what
we
want
the
group
to
cover
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
final
slide,
I've
got
here,
put
some
thought
into
membership,
and
just
to
emphasize
here
that
this
is
meant
to
be
a
non-voting
group.
This
is
not
going
to
be
voting
on
sort
of
design
decisions.
It
will
be
advising,
as
we
then
work
with
the
city,
to
determine
the
program
parameters
so
because
it's
non-voting
the
exact
numbers
are
not
that
important,
but
we
do
want
a
variety
of
voices
who
represent
different
constituencies.
M
So
at
the
top
of
our
list
are
some
community-based
organizations
who
participated
in
the
partners
for
places
study
or
we
think
otherwise
would
be
interested.
We
really
like
working
with
Community
organizations
because
they
can
broadly
represent
the
needs
of
the
constituencies
they
serve
and
also
connect
us
directly
participants
who
might
be
want
to
participate
in
this
program.
M
M
It
would
also
be
very
valuable
to
have
landlords
in
part,
because
we
want
to
set
affordability
protection
requirements
that
are
directed
to
them.
So
we'd,
like
their
opinions
on
which
of
these
are,
are
the
ones
that
make
the
sense,
and
these
could
be
either
private
or
non-profit,
would
be
of
interest
in
having
here,
and
probably
some
groups
who
are
Sustainable,
Building
experts
or
Specialists,
who
have
done
this
kind
of
work
before
it
would
also
be
useful.
M
E
M
The
Advisory
Group
is
probably
not
going
to
be
eligible
to
receive
an
improvement
in
their
home
because
we
would
consider
that
to
be
a
conflict
of
interest.
So
we
have
to
tread
carefully
here
to
avoid
accidentally
disqualifying
potential
participants.
I'm.
M
That's
completely
set
in
stone
yet
but
I
think
the
city's
initial
judgment
was.
We
don't
want
to
have
some
somebody
who
is
on
The
Advisory
Group
and
gets
a
retrofit,
but
again
that's
a
matter
of
us
making
that
decision
unless
there's
a
firm
legal
answer
to
that
yet
and
that's
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about
with
you
tonight
to
really
get
your
input
on
the
The
Proposal
that
we
have
in
these
final,
three
slides
so
yeah.
M
So
let
me
reintroduce
Robbie
Marcus
here
with
EDC,
we'll
help
with
the
discussion
and
help
answer
some
of
these
designing
this
and
then,
with
that
we'd
like
to
open
this
up
to
your
questions
and.
B
A
I'd
like
to
add
something:
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
conversation
around
the
question:
Around
The,
Advisory,
Group
and
I
think
we're
gonna,
try
to
see
and
discuss
with
legal.
A
There
might
be
ways
to
make
sure
that
we
address
conflicts
of
interest
and
document
eligibility
so
that
we
don't
exclude
people
that
we're
participating
in
The,
Advisory,
Group
and
exclude
potential
residents
or
landlord
that
would
want
to
participate
in
the
program.
They're
not
designing
the
program
per
se,
they
are
advising,
but
we
need
to
run
this
by
legal.
G
Okay,
but
but
it
is
obviously
an
important
question
to
to
get
resolved.
Laura
I
want
to
go
ahead.
Yeah.
J
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Can
I
just
brain
dump
a
couple
of
thoughts
and
questions
in
no
particular
order?
Sure,
okay,
so,
on
this
question
about
eligibility,
if
you're
participating
in
The,
Advisory,
Group,
honestly
I
think,
regardless
of
what
legal
says,
I
think
the
Optics
would
be
really
bad
and
I
think
Optics
matter
and
I
think
we
know
that
affordable
housing
and
resources
for
housing
is
a
super,
controversial
and
tricky
issue
in
Evanston.
J
So
personally,
I
know
that
limits
who
you
can
get
in
terms
of
making
sure
Community
Voices
are
represented,
but
even
if
someone
can
talk
to
a
non-profit
and
then
the
non-profit
is
actually
speaking
as
the
community
I
I'm
pretty
strongly
against
that.
For
what
it's
worth
though,
the
second
thing
is
I
would
be
curious
to
know.
I
guess
these
are
all
questions
one
is
you
know
you
mentioned:
protecting
affordability
on
rents,
but
I'm
curious
to
know
if
you're
thinking
some
some
things
similar
on
home
ownership.
E
J
Because
the
same
risk
actually
exists
potentially
depending
on
the
type
of
repairs
to
those
properties,
so
I'm
curious
to
know
if
that's
also
a
priority
for
the
homes
that
are
owned
and
not
rented
I'd,
be
curious
to
know
if
there
are
targets
for
what
percentage
of
the
funding
is
for
home
ownership
versus
rental
and,
if
so,
kind
of
like.
J
What's
the
thinking
around
that
and
then
my
one
other
question-
and
this
is
just
a
random
thought-
and
I
may
be
totally
off
the
mark
But
when
you
were
talking
about
census,
tracts
versus
Wars,
the
other
thought
I
had
was
that
if
I,
if
I
recall
correctly,
there
was
also
a
component
about
this.
That
was
about
resiliency
right.
Is
climate
causes
risks
in
certain
areas?
I
think
it
would
be
also
interesting
to
potentially
overlay
if
there
are
parts
of
Evanston
that
are
likely
to
be
more
at
risk
in
a
changing
climate.
J
M
Yeah
all
good
points
you
want
me
to
respond
to.
M
E
M
I'll
go
into
reverse
order,
so
I
can
go
up
the
page
here
so
yeah
we.
Actually
we
did
map
climate
vulnerability
in
the
initial
study
that
led
to
this
program
and
the
recommendations
we
have
geographically
or
places
where
we
see
that
overlay
of
social
or
housing
activity,
okay,
affordability,
vulnerability,
plus
climate
affordability.
So
so
we
do
think
I,
so
I
can
share
those
Maps,
rather
in
a
a
link
that
was
in
a
memo
I
think
to
that
full
study.
M
But
when
you
yeah
you're
totally
right,
we
should
be
thinking
of
that
and
we
think
we
have
so
so
that's
a
good
one.
We
don't
have
targets
for
ownership
versus
rent
and
I
would
say
we're
actually
we're
trying
to
deliberately
do
a
variety
of
different
types
of
units,
because
we
want
because
it's
a
pilot,
we're
not
trying
to
be
efficient
and
do
one
narrow
thing.
M
And
over
we're
trying
to
try
it
we're
trying
to
do
a
variety
of
different
types
of
improvements
and
see
what
happens
so
we
don't
have
a
target
for
that.
I
I
think
the
only
answer
I
would
have
is
we'd
like
to
have
both
we'd
like
to
see
how
it
works
in
owner
occupied
and
Rental
occupied,
but
there's
not
a
number
that
I
would
say
that
we
have
in
mind
for
either
one
of
those
and
then
for
affordability
on
ownership.
I
think
that's
an
interesting
question.
I'm
curious.
M
What
policies
you
would
think
would
be
a
way
to
deal
with
that
I
know
the
affordability
for
rent.
We
think
is
very
important
to
maintain
that,
because
of
the
ability
of
landlords
to
just
raise
rents,
homeowners,
don't
capture
that
value
until
they
sell.
So
unless
there
was
a
requirement
to
repay
the
value
of
the.
M
Then
that
would
probably
look
like
a
lien
on
the
property
which
would
make
it
hard
for
them
to
sell
in
the
first
place.
So
I
don't
know,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
mechanism
would
be,
but
that
could
be
as
Sarah
saying,
maybe
a
forgivable
loan
that
that
may
be
hard
to
convince
the
low-income
people
who
we're
trying
to
get
to
do
this
to
be
involved.
So
anyway,
it's
a
good
question
and
maybe
we
can
brainstorm
some
options
and
talk
about
that
with
the
Advisory
Group
but
I
think
that's
a
very
good
question.
M
But
if
others
have
ideas
we
could
you
know
if
this
is
an
appropriate
place
to
get
some
other
thoughts
on
that
I'd
be
be
interested
in
hearing.
If
others
have
suggestions
on
that,
one.
G
So
thank
you.
Lauren
for
getting
us
started
with
some,
so
council
member
Harris.
L
Yeah
so
I
agree
with
Lauren
about
the
eligibility
to
to
be
receive
the
retrofit.
If
you're
on
the
advisory
Council,
ideally
I
mean
we
want
to
have
people
who
would
potentially
benefit
from
this
program,
be
sitting
on
the
Advisory
board,
but
the
nice
thing
is,
since
this
is
a
pilot
if,
if
everything
goes
well
after
the
pilot
in
the
and
after
we
figure
out
the
the
requirements,
those
someone
who
sat
on
the
Advisory
Board
initially
could
apply.
I.
Imagine
we're
gonna
have
way
more
than
50
eligible
properties.
L
Do
we
I
was
just
curious
Bob.
Do
we
have
like
a
a
rough
estimate
of
how
many
homes
or
apartment
buildings
would
potentially
be
qualify
for
this?
We.
M
We
have
not
tried
to
put
that
together.
No,
we
haven't
determined
eligibility,
I
mean
I.
Would
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
would
say:
I
would
guess
that
maybe
20
of
the
homes
in
Evanston
would
be
eligible
for
this.
If
there
was
no
Geographic
targeting.
Maybe
it
goes
down
to
10
if
you
focus
in
just
these
areas,
so
it's
a
it's
a
bunch
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
places
that
could
do
it.
M
M
Okay,
but
thanks
for
your
yeah
thanks
for
your
thoughts
and
I,
agree
too,
that
we
may
be
able
to
get
interest
from
people
who
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
participate
now,
but
could
in
the
future
or
also
I,
agree
with
Lauren's
point
about
community-based
organizations.
Representative
needs
of
residents
in
their
constituencies
and
those
individuals
wouldn't
get
benefit,
but
they
could
represent
the
interests
of
residents
who
they
served.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
we
really
like
Community
organizations
being
being
part
of
these
types
of
committees.
K
This
is
Sarah
I
just
wanted
to
note
I'm
going
to
turn
my
camera
back
on.
My
connection
has
been
bad,
so
I
turned
it
off.
So
I
could
hear
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
targeting
the
specific
census
tracts
we
talked
about
as
well
is,
since
that
is
in
the
White
House's
definition,
I
mean
if
we
look
at
those
those
are
defined
as
areas
where
we
should
be
investing.
It
takes
away
some
of
the
potential
questions
about
well.
How
did
you
decide
if
everybody
was
income
eligible?
K
You
know,
8092
is
a
qualified
census
tract,
and
that
was
the
one
they
said
you
can
pretty
much
do
anything
you
want
there
and
it'll
be
eligible
and
part
of
8102.
The
very
eastern
part
of
it
is,
if
you
look
at
the
low
and
moderate
income
population,
very
much
lines
up
with
the
census
block
groups
in
80,
92
and
80.
96
was
also
on
the
map
that
was
done
by
the
White
House
saying.
40
percent
of
the
money
ought
to
go
into
these
areas
that
were
declared
to
be
high,
need.
K
It
was
declared
as
part
of
a
high
need
area.
So
that's
another
kind
of
reason
to
look
at
those
Geographic
preferences
to
ultimately
depending
on
what
sources
we're
using
it's
going
to
affect.
Who
would
be
eligible
because
many
of
the
other
sources
have
much
more
specific
income
requirements.
So
that's
another,
so
we're
trying
to
balance
getting
buildings
that
we
can
figure
stuff
out
and
keeping
the
people
still
eligible.
G
Oh,
is
it
possible
that,
if
thinking
about
one
property
owner
in
in
the
pilot
and
do
you
work
with
the
homeowner
too
or
rent
yeah
or
landlord
whatever
to
make
a
significant
number
of
improvements
to
the
home,
but
maybe
not
everything
so
with
their
because
I
guess
I
kind
of
envision
some
some
houses
will
it'll
be
multiple
phases
before
they
before
the
home
is?
Is
you
know,
Net,
Zero
or
whatever
I
mean?
Because
are
you
going
to
try
to
make
the
homes
Net
Zero
from
day
one
or
what.
M
Yeah
no
I
think
we
found
when
we
were
doing
this.
The
study
on
this
that
Net
Zero
was
too
high
of
a
goal
to
try
to
hit
like
immediately
that
we
could
get
toward
in
that
zero.
We
certainly
could
have
more
more
energy,
efficient,
more
water,
efficient
and
more
climate
resilient
homes
and
healthier
homes,
and
that
became
the
goal.
Instead
of
aiming
for
a
standard.
G
M
Which,
for
many
existing
homes
would
just
be
very,
maybe
even
physically
impossible
to
achieve
that
for
some
of
the
homes
that
are
occupied
now,
so
yeah
I
do
think
the
goal
is
going
to
be,
and
we've
talked
with
Elevate
and
also
with
see
about
how
this
will
work
is
a
prioritization
process
where
we
go
through
and
do
a
comprehensive
assessment
at
home
see
what's
most
important
to
improve
the
quality
of
it
now
and
improve
its
resilience
and
its
efficiency,
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
a
list
of
every
single
thing
that
could
be
done.
M
It's
going
to
be
the
ones
that
align
best
with
the
the
purpose
of
this
program,
so
there
could
be
improvements
on
top
of
that.
The
homeowner
wants
to
take
on
themselves
or
maybe
could
be
left
for
a
later
phase.
So
yeah
the
assessment
will
be
comprehensive,
but
I
don't
know
that
we'll
be
able
to
do
every
single
thing
which
has
picked
up
in
the
assessment.
We
will
do
the
most
important
right.
J
Okay,
I
know
I'm
asking
a
lot
of
questions
and
that's
everyone
feel
free
to
tell
me
to
stop.
Can
I
just
do
one
more
set
Bob
of
like
brain
dump
and
then
I'll
stop
okay,.
N
J
Just
listening
to
what
you're
saying-
and
it's
getting
me
thinking
so
here
are
some
questions.
I
have
for
you
one.
Is
there
going
to
be
Baseline
level
that
the
house
has
to
be
in
in
terms
of
condition
to
be
eligible
and
sort
of
within
that
is
they're,
thus
going
to
be
a
cap
on
the
amount
of
investment
that
any
single
property
gets
regardless
of
home
owner
occupied
versus
tenant.
J
J
So
you
can
say:
okay,
like
listening
to
you
talk,
it
sounds
like
you're,
saying
we're
going
to
assess
each
property
and
then
decide
the
priorities
that
potentially
strikes
me
as
a
difficult
way
to
go
about
it
in
part,
because
your
priorities
may
not
match
the
property
owners
priorities
so
in
that
instance
who
wins
right?
How
do
you
make
that
decision?
Whereas
if
you
all
say
okay,
our
priorities
are
to
get
the
properties
that
we're
going
to
work
with?
J
To
this
level
of
Energy
Efficiency
or
this
level
of
I
mean
I
know
nothing
about
any
of
the
stuff
you
all
are
doing,
but
this
level
of
like
air
quality
in
your
homes
or
this
level
of
not
you
know
whatever
these.
You
know
these
are
the
standards.
And
so,
if
you
have
those
parameters
in
place,
it
seems
like
it
might
be
a
more
objective
way
to
qualify
properties.
J
So
I
was
just
curious
if
you
guys
have
sort
of
identified
or
or
all
of
you
not
all
guys.
If,
if
all
of
you
have
figured
out
what
those
standards
are
going
to
be
because
there's
a
little
bit
of
chicken
or
the
egg,
do
you
set
up
the
standards
or
you
know
what
I
mean
yeah.
M
For
probably
I
should
ask
my
team
member
who
knows
more
about
construction
stuff
to
to
talk
a
little
bit
here
so
Robbie.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts?
We
have
worked
with
Elevate
on
like
what
the
the
targets
will
be
for
Energy
Efficiency
improvements
overall
for
the
program
as
a
whole
for
Energy
Efficiency
and
also
reduction
in
utility
costs.
So
we
do
have
some
quantitative
targets
that
we're
going
to
be
trying
to
achieve
for
that.
M
O
O
Every
with
rehab
every
unit
is
different,
it's
all
so
dependent
and
so
it's
hard
to
predict
what
the
Baseline
is
and
what
you're
starting
with,
and
so
that
makes
it
difficult
to
assess.
O
Where
do
you
want
to
go
because
it's
just
going
to
depend
on
the
unit
and
so
I
think
you
bring
up
a
great
question
and
I
think
we'll
want
to
take
it
back
to
our
partner
and
Elevate
to
hear
through
their
thoughts
on
how
do
they
think
about
where
they
want
each
unit
to
be
by
the
end
of
the
program
and
Bob's
right
that,
in
terms
of
energy
efficiencies
using
cost
savings?
That
is
a
clear
goal.
But
beyond
that
I
think.
Perhaps
that's
one
for
us
to
think
about
further
and.
J
Maybe
to
your
point
earlier
Bob,
because
it's
a
pilot,
that's
a
question:
you'll
get
answered
that
it.
It
turns
out.
It's
like
to
me.
It
sounds
extremely
inefficient
to
not
have
some
standards
just
in
terms
of
for
you
all
right
to
operate
from,
but
it
I
could
be
totally
wrong
about
that
or
that
you
want
some
sort
of
cap.
I,
don't
know
right.
The
individual
assessment
sounds
to
me
like
a
difficult
way
to
approach
it,
but
I
could
be
totally
wrong.
Yeah.
M
Yeah
now
these
are
good
questions
and
you're
right
I
mean
the
fact
that
this
is
a
pilot
means
that
we
are
going
to
be
experimenting
with
some
things
like
this,
which
I
think
is
one
of
the
values
of
doing
this,
with
a
relatively
small
investment
up
front
and
see
how
this
goes
and
then
maybe
it
becomes
a
larger
program.
But
but
your
question
about
is
there
a
baseline
level
of
condition?
M
We
haven't
really
established
that
there
needs
to
be
I
mean
if
what
the
home
needs
is
a
new
roof
and
there's
no
point
in
doing
anything
else
with
Energy
Efficiency
until
it
has
a
new
roof.
We
can
use
this
program
to
pay
for
a
new
road
for
this
homeowner.
That's
one
of
the
good
things
about
having
it
be,
not
just
for
certain
delimited
types
of
improvements.
We
can
actually
look
comprehensively
at
what
is
the
real
challenge
in
this
home
and
then
fix
that
thing
in
terms
of
cost.
M
We
had
said
that
most
improvements
that
we're
paying
for
with
this
I
think
the
range
we
set
for
most
things
would
be
between
five
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
but
for
some
it
could
be
more
than
that.
So
there
could
be
some
homes
that
need
a
larger
investment
of
that
to
even
make
other
Investments
possible
or
worthwhile,
in
which
case
it'd
be
a
High
room
out
there.
So,
but
yeah
did
anyone
ask
something:
Sarah
I'm,
sorry
I
saw
you
on
muted
a
second
ago.
K
I
I
was
just
thinking
about
air
quality
and
things
like
that.
One
of
the
things
that's
really
hard
to
control
too,
because
when
you,
if
you
start
with
a
building,
the
air
quality
is
going
to
be
dependent
on
so
many
factors,
including
I,
know
from
my
own
lack
of
willingness
to
dust
what
the
homeowner
does.
K
So
you
know,
I
think
that
some
of
those
and
I
do
want
to
also
point
out
that
one
of
our
huge
problems
and
I
we've
had
trouble
with
how
to
solve
it
when
we're
working
with
cdbg
and
some
other
things
is
when
we
have
homes
that
have
foundations
that
almost
no
matter
what
we
are
not
able
to
make
them
really
waterproof,
based
on
the
nature
of
the
foundations
and
their
age,
and
things
like
that.
K
So
I,
you
know-
and
this
is
maybe
something
we
can
talk
with
our
health
department
about
too,
because
you
know
this
really
ties
into
the
making
housing
healthier
overall
and
they
may
be
able
to
give
us
some
priorities
or
ways
to
think
about
that.
That
I
think
would
be
helpful,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
N
You
yeah
well
I.
Just
imagine
you
would
look
at
safety
issues
too.
You
know
if
there
are
any
kind
of
leaking
furnace
or
you
know
things
like
that,
but
anything
in
the
house
that
would
relate
to
making
it
safer
for
the
occupants.
O
K
G
Okay,
Lauren
again
back.
J
J
J
Well,
so
I
have
and
then
I'm
done,
I
promise.
So
one
though
to
Sarah's
Point
what
happens
if
someone
makes
the
Applause
and
you
all
become
aware
of
a
situation
that
by
law
you
would
be
the
the
code
has,
it
has
to
be
addressed
to
come
into
code
right
like
how
does
that
work
like
is
there
situations
where
you're,
just
gonna
by
necessity,
have
to
address
something?
J
I
would
be
curious
and
then
the
very
last
thing
I'm
going
to
say
and
then
I'll
stop
is,
if
there's
any
requirement
for
skin
in
the
game,
even
if,
like
50
bucks
towards
it,
like
I'm,
just
thinking
about
the
huge
variation
in
the
size
of
the
repairs
and
all
the
research
that
shows
sort
of
the
the
buy-in
that
comes
with
just
a
minimal,
minimal,
skin
and
a
game,
and
then
you
know
I
know
that's
delicate,
but
that
is
still
usually
you
know
an
option
yeah,
that's
it
now,
I'm
done
I.
M
Yeah
I
would
welcome
you.
These
are
all
the
kind
of
questions
we
actually
have
to
answer
and
so
I
appreciate
you
that
you're
bringing
them
up.
This
is
good.
So
that's
your
first
one
I
think
Sarah
had
spoken
about
that.
If
we
find
a
a
code,
compliance
item
that
there
is
a
a
mandate
to
deal
with
that
and
I
would
let
the
city
speak
to
that
more
I.
Don't
want
to
get
into
the
code
enforcement
piece
here,
but
to
the
second
one,
I
I
think
that's
also
a
good
question.
M
Everything
you're
raising
here
is
a
good
design.
Question
of
that
we
want
to
have
residents,
kill
ownership.
We
also
don't
want
to
prevent
the
lowest
the
lowest
income
residents
from
participating
or
just
to
add
a
level
of
complexity
or,
if
they're,
paying
anything.
Does
that
just
make
it
more
complicated
to
to
get
the
project
done
to
get
the
transaction
done,
and
maybe
it
would
but
I
think
there's
also
a
merit
to
what
you're
saying
there
needs
to
be
some.
M
M
I
would
like
to
hear
if
anyone
has
other
people,
they
would
suggest
to
be
on
The
Advisory
Group
we're
going
to
work
with
City
staff
on
this.
But
if
others
can
say
like
I
definitely
want
this
community
organization
or
this
non-profit
to
be
present.
You
should
talk
to
this
or
that
person
you
either
could
could
say
that
now
or
you
could
send
that
to
to
Marion
or
or
Sarah
or
any
of
the
city
staff
and
they'll
get
that
to
us
for
us
to
know.
G
G
I
think
this
has
been
a
really
productive
discussion.
That's
really
helped
us
get
a
sense
of
the
the
pilot
program
and
also
the
role
of
The
Advisory
Group
and
the
kinds
of
issues
that
the
groups
still
that
have
to
be
answered
before
the
pilot
really
gets
much
further
along.
So
it's
been
really
really
an
interesting
conversation.
G
Right
exactly
right:
okay!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
this
evening
and
we
will
continue
to
be
in
touch.
G
All
right
so,
let's
turn
to
our
official
agenda
and
we'll
go
back
to
the
obligatory
things
that
we
do
at
the
very
beginning
of
all
of
our
meetings,
which
is
if
someone
would
just
spend
the
rules
to
allow
us
to
meet
virtually.
B
N
E
G
It's
a
majority,
okay,
and
then
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
our
September
20th
meeting
when
I
could
I
have
a
mouse
motion
on
that,
so
moved
and
a
second
a.
L
G
Majority,
don't
consider
those
approved
okay,
so
we've
We've
finished
our
public
comment
and
we
finished
our
first
item
about
the
One-Stop
shop
and
now
we're
supposed
to
be
discussing
shift
in
needs
and
priorities
for
2023.
But.
A
Yes,
so
I
have
one
slide
and
I
wanted
to
open
the
conversation,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
you
chair
revelle.
If
well,
could
you
have
this
conversation
or,
if
you're,
looking
to
postpone
it?
A
This
conversation
was
trying
to
discuss
priority
and
needs
with
the
committee
in
preparation
for
the
action
plan
process
next
month
will
be
coming
with
a
draft
action
plan
that
will
be
discussed
in
December
by
the
committee,
and
we
were
hoping
to
get
some
kind
of
input
to
make
sure
that
we
can
understand
where
the
committee
is
out
for
2023,
but
I
just
want
to
double
check
with
you.
If
that's
still
something
that
we
can
do
tonight.
G
Well,
why
don't
we
let's
do
the
rest
of
the
agenda
and
see
if
we
have
time
at
the
end
and
also
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
if
we
had
a
little
something
to
mull
over
before
we
have
that
discussion
so
anyway.
So
let's
yeah,
let's
move
on
then
to
the
next
item,
which
is
very
important
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
our
small
and
medium
landlord
assistance
program
and
so
I
guess
official
Roberts
rules
say
we're
supposed
to
make
a
motion
and
then
we
can
discuss
it.
L
I
moved
to
discuss
and
vote
to
recommend
the
small
and
medium
landlord
assistance
program.
Okay,.
G
A
Yeah
we
did
so
there.
There
is
the
memo.
Of
course,
we
did
a
couple
slides,
there's
a
lot
in
that
memo,
so
we
figured
having
a
few
slides
to
kind
of
help.
Us
through
the
conversation
probably
would
be
a
little
helpful
right
and
we
want
to
add
some
context
to
the
conversation
that
we've
had
with
both
internally,
as
well
as
with
the
task
force
around
the
design
of
this
program.
A
It's
sounds
easy
and
it's
a
pretty
complex
process
when
it
comes
time
to
actually
design
and
Implement
and
make
sure
that
you
balance
easy
program
with
a
lower
barrier
for
application
and
making
sure
that
it's
Equitable,
as
well
as
balancing
kind
of
having
some
level
of
restriction
without
being
complicated,
so
plus
the
Restriction
of
the
fundings
that
we're
dealing
the
funding
sources
we're
dealing
with
so
I'm,
going
to
let
Anna
describe
where
we're
starting
from.
A
As
far
as
the
program
design
that
was
described
in
your
in
your
packet
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
few
slides
that
explain
all
the
different
intricacies
that
we
looked
at
to
start.
The
conversation.
P
All
right
so
good
evening,
everyone
first
of
all,
I,
want
to
thank
all
of
the
landlords
who
submitted
responses
to
the
residential
landlord
evaluation
survey.
P
We
reached
out
to
approximately
3
000
landlords
and
we
received
50
responses
back
it.
The
response
rate
was
low,
but
it
that's
pretty
typical
for
landlord
surveys
that
have
been
done
on
the
national
level,
so
I
think
we're
right
right
there
as
far
as
response
rate.
P
P
This
was
done
through
research
of
what
a
small
landlord
is
based
on
Census
Data,
and
this
research
was
done
in
the
beginning
of
our
of
our
task
force
meetings.
As
far
as
financial
assistance,
we
would
like
to
cover
up
to
75
of
2021
rental,
Financial
losses
and
up
to
12
000
or
15
000
as
an
up
to
amount
threshold,
and
we
will
leave
that
decision
up
to
the
committee.
P
Of
course,
units
must
be
registered
with
the
city
and
be
legally
rented
in
business
income.
Should
be
reported,
so
those
are
three
big
three
big
requirements
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Marianne.
So
she
can
kind
of
go
into
the
intricacies
that
we've
encountered
with
the
data
and
with
the
funding
requirements
that
we
have
to
abide
by.
P
A
You
thank
you
Anna,
so
the
program
that
we
are
proposing
in
a
memo
and
in
your
packet
was
what
we
landed
on,
trying
to
take
into
account
some
of
the
Restriction
of
the
funding
that
we're
funding,
especially
dealing
with
which
is
arpa
funding,
making
sure
we
are
addresses
we
address,
putting
together
a
program
that
is
for
the
initial
goal,
which
was
to
provide
assistance
to
small
and
medium
landlords
and
trying
to
take
into
account
the
result
we
got
in
a
survey
as
well
as
making
sure
that
we
don't
land
with
the
program
design
that
provides
such
restriction,
that
the
application
is
just
a
pile
of
red
tape
and
we
have
incredibly
low
applications.
A
So
that's
why
we
landed
on
trying
to
simplify
as
much
as
possible
the
program
design,
I'm
gonna
go
through
other
consideration.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
question
around
the
threshold
of
twelve
thousand
dollars
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
that's
something
that
came
up
in
a
task
force,
and
so
we
decided
to
put
it
to
the
committee
having
a
threshold
amount
of
up
to
twelve
thousand
dollars.
Essentially,
the
argument
for
that
was
it's
a
lower
amount.
A
That
means
that
there
will
be
more
landlords
able
to
apply
for
the
program.
The
threshold
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
was
suggested
to
take
into
account
the
fact
that
we
had
landlords
that
had
much
deeper
losses
and
to
make
sure
that
we
were
providing
meaningful
assistance
to
those
landlords.
A
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
we
didn't
see
necessarily
a
relationship
between
a
number
of
units
and
the
actual
scale
of
the
financial
loss
that
a
landlord
had
seen.
Some
of
the
higher
losses
were
seen
by
people
that
had
very
limited
number
of
units,
so
I'll
just
start
with
that,
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
more
complicated
details
of
the
program
design.
A
So
one
of
the
key
points
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
tonight
is
what
we
use
to
be
able
to
set
eligibility
in
your
packet.
We
talked
about
using
2021
reported
Financial
loss,
so
that
would
essentially
mean
that
we're
looking
at
in
an
example
of
an
LLC,
a
schedule
e
and
looking
at
line
21,
which
is
there's
income,
reported.
There's
all
the
expenses
and
we're
looking
at
seeing
an
actual
loss
for
2021.
A
now
going
that
route
allowed
us
to
request
only
one
piece
of
paperwork,
which
is
that
one
scheduling
for
2021
we
know
they're
requesting
a
lot
of
burdensome
paperwork
and
personal
information,
whether
it's
business
or
personal,
is
going
to
lower
applications.
A
So
we
wanted
to
try
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible.
However,
there's
things
that
we'd,
like
the
committee
to
take
into
consideration
in
the
case
of
using
just
2021,
which
has
been
mentioned
also
in
the
public
comment.
A
A
You
could
essentially
have
a
landlord
that
has
has
a
property
that
has
had
a
small
Financial
loss
with
the
impact
of
depreciation,
various
business
expense,
mortgage
interest,
deduction
that
saw
small
loss
and
that
person
could
be
eligible,
but
you
could
see
a
small
landlord
that
has
that
is
using
their
rental
property
as
true
income
as
a
business
that
has
seen
deep
Financial
loss
but
is
still
seeing
instead
of
a
regular
usual
year,
a
small
gain,
and,
in
that
case,
using
just
the
reported
loss
that
landlord
would
be
ineligible
even
though
they've
seen
a
pretty
major
gain
in
their
income.
A
So
that's
something
to
consider
in
the
program
design
we
could
consider
to
use
a
Delta
of
between
2019
and
2021,
as
was
also
suggested
by
one
of
the
comment
that
was
provided
as
a
written
comment.
A
The
downside
of
that
is
you're
requesting
an
additional
tax
return
during
the
application.
So
it's
yet
another
piece
of
paperwork
that
we're
at
we're
asking
for.
So
that's
one
thing
to
consider
going
a
little
deeper
here
into
the
Nuance
of
the
param
design,
because
it's
really
want
that
point
in
the
program.
Design
is
one
of
the
most
important
one
there's
several
things
we
can
look
at.
We
can
use
2021
reported
Financial
loss
as
described
in
the
memo
and
as
suggested
by
the
program.
A
We
can
use
the
Delta
of
2019
to
2021
total
results,
which
would
mean
the
difference
in
in
the
result
between
those
two
years,
and
it
could
be
still
a
gain,
but
there'd
be
a
loss
in
between
the
two
years,
so
that
would
in
the
previous
scenario,
that
would
mean
both
applicants
would
be
eligible
or
we
could
simply
look
at
the
Delta
and
reported
rent
income,
excluding
any
kind
of
expenses
and
just
keeping
it
at
just
rent
income
differences,
and
in
that
case
it
removes
some
of
the
question
around
whether
we
want
to
include
depreciation
and
the
impact
of
depreciation
on
toll
loss
in
a
scheduling.
A
But
that
starts
to
be
quite
further
some
again
because
we're
asking
for
two
different
tax
return
to
make
a
comparison.
I
understand
this
is
a
lot
of
detail.
We
just
wanted
to
bring
some
of
those
up,
because
this
is
really
kind
of
crucial
as
far
as
who's
going
to
be
eligible
and
who's
not
going
to
be
eligible.
A
Other
things
we've
considered,
we
landed
with
just
looking
at
a
certain
percentage
of
financial
loss
after
considering
a
whole
different
slew
of
other
options.
Looking
at
number
of
units
looking
at
setting
a
certain
threshold
on
rents
or
affordability,
looking
at
potentially
restricting
on
the
landlord
income
or
the
tenant
income
or
specific
areas,
so
I'm
going
to
go
over
a
few
of
those
points.
A
So
as
an
example,
if
we're
looking
at
restricting
to
reasonably
priced
rentals,
when
you
look
at
an
application,
then
we
have
to
be
able
to
check.
So
that
means
that
essentially,
we
would
have
together
leases
to
be
able
to
prove
what
rent
each
unit
is
at
gather
all
that
information
and
then
we'd
also
maybe
have
to
check
each
unit
size
to
be
able
to
match
it.
A
Against
the
reasonably
price,
for
instance,
they're
usually
set
by
size
of
units,
so
that
gets
quite
complex
and
we're
not
even
100
sure
that
the
unit
size
is
something
we
can
check
systematically
based
on
the
data
we
have
restricting
landlord
income.
A
That's
something
we
discussed
as
well
within
the
task
force
that
takes
into
account
having
to
look
at
personal
tax
returns,
which
creates
an
even
higher
burden,
because
now
we're
not
looking
just
at
asking
for
a
business
return,
scheduling
we're
looking
at
getting
an
entire
person's
personal
information
tax
return,
but
it
also
creates
major
complication
when
we
start
talking
about
more
complex
setup
for
landlords.
A
I
think
a
lot
of
us
when
we
think
about
the
landlord
setup
and
small
landlord
assume
that
it's
one
or
a
few
llc's
with
one
owner
and
one
or
a
couple
schedule
E's
it's
likely
and
we
we
are
currently
working
with
legal
on
trying
to
understand
what
how
the
implementational
program
is
going
to
impact
more
complex
scenario,
but
we're
going
to
run
into
more
complex
scenarios.
We're
going
to
have
people
that
have
shared
ownership
that
have
multiple
properties
with
multiple
owners.
Then,
what
kind
of
personal
tax
return
do
we
ask
for?
A
Who
is
eligible
who's?
Not
the
every
owner
have
to
be
eligible,
there's
just
a
level
of
complexity.
That
starts
to
really
impact
the
success
of
the
program,
prioritizing
highly
impacted
areas,
that's
something
we
could
look
at.
We've
done
this
for
rental
assistance
when
in
housing
assistance
when
we
implemented
rental
assistance
early
on
during
the
covet
crisis,
we
did
several
phases
of
application
and
we
did
use
data
from
the
urban
Institute
showing
which
area
and
which
census
track
were
highly
impacted
by
kovid
and
that
included
also
potential
job
loss.
A
So
we
could
consider
two
phases
to
try
to
set
aside
a
first
wave
of
application
for
highly
impacted
areas
and
then
open
it
up
to
broader
areas
in
the
city,
but
that
would
delay
getting
the
funds
out
because
you'd
have
two
waves
and
it
would
postpone
the
process.
It
would
also
add
it
would
add
to
the
processing
time,
but
that
is
something
that
is
feasible.
A
So
I'm
going
to
stop
here
and
I
am
sure,
there's
a
lot
to
discuss
here.
So
we
can
probably
open
it
up
to
the
committee
and.
P
I
just
wanted
to
add:
we
really
worked
hard
on
looking
at
this
project
through
an
equitable
lens
and
making
sure
that
we
were
also
producing
an
efficient
program
well,
while
also
maximizing
the
fund.
So
we
are
aware
that
this
is
a
complex
project
and
we
would
appreciate
any
and
all
input
from
from
the
committee.
E
J
Sorry,
okay
might
not
surprise.
You
I
had
some
thoughts
on
this
on
the
question
of
gauging
the
loss
personally,
I
think
that
it
is
not
inappropriate
to
ask
for
that
second
set
of
returns
and
do
the
slightly
more
complicated
calculation,
because
I
think
that's
more
important
than
some
of
the
other
areas.
We
could
ask
for
documentation.
I
think
that
this
money
should
go
to
people
who
have
suffered,
who
are
in
the
negative
on
income
as
a
result
of
what's
happened
right.
They
are
in
the
red
on
these
rents.
J
J
A
And
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
thing:
you
just
said
you
are
suggesting
looking
at
the
loss
in
income
specifically,
so
because
there
was
two
options:
we
can
look
at
the
loss
and
rent
perceived
or
we
can
look
at
the
total,
including
expenses
which
could
include
increased
expenses
from
covid
or
any
other
impact
that
has
increased
as
a
result
of
covid.
So
that's
one
Nuance
I
just
want
to
clarify.
J
Okay:
okay,
that's
it!
That
is
an
important
Nuance.
Can
I
tell
you
my
just
like
not
specific
answers,
but
what
I
think
the
overarching
way
to
approach?
This
would
be
the
philosophy
I
think
every
losing
money
is
hard
and
we
need
these
houses.
These
units
right
so
I
think
that,
if
there's
a
demonstrable
loss
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
we
cover
it
with
these.
J
You
know
population
of
whatever
income
area
we're
targeting
like
you
can
get
an
additional
support
of
x
amount
like
I
think,
rather
than
keep
lowering
the
potentially
lower
the
floor,
I
think
we
keep
the
floor
wherever
we're
going
to
keep
it,
and
then
we
could
layer
on
support
for
these
areas.
That
are
really
least
serving
part
pockets
of
the
community.
That's
harder
to
reach
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
the
funding,
for
that.
N
Joanne
well,
I
would
say
if
you
had
a
Section
8
tenant
during
covert,
you
were
still
getting
paid
from
section.
Eight
I
mean
this
is
really
complicated.
With
these
things
that
all
that
you
have
to
take
into
consideration,
you
know
and
unless
I
mean
I
had
a
Section
8
tenant
who
wasn't
paying
his
share?
You
know,
but
otherwise
you
know.
Section
8
was
the
majority
of
the
rent.
N
Then
you
were
still
getting
that
rent,
but
I
guess
I
I
would
sort
of
lean
towards
going
to
the
areas
that
were
most
highly
impacted,
and
then
you
know
my
other
conflict
is
I.
Would
what
a
person's
total
income
is?
N
I
guess
I
would
want
to
lean
towards
landlords
where
their
rent
was
a
sizable
part
of
their
total
income.
But
then
we
have
to
ask
for
the
personal
part
of
the
return.
So
there's
some
conflicts,
I
sort
of
sort
of
have
you
know
of
how
to
determine
eligibility
yeah,
not
easy,
and
then,
when
multiple
owners
geez.
L
Yeah
I
agree
with
Lauren
on
on
having
to
provide
the
two
tax
returns.
You
know
one
year
might
be
hard.
You
know
hard
to
parse
whether
or
not
there
was
an
impact.
If
you
just
are
looking
at
one
year's
worth
of
data,
I
I
get
the
you
know.
L
My
mind
goes
to
like
like
having
like
a
rubric
to
decide
like
who
gets
what
money
and
how
much
but
I
I
do
like
really
appreciate
like
the
idea
of
having
like
a
low
bar
for
entry,
but
maybe
we
could
have
you
folks
thought
of
having
like
kind
of
like
what
Lauren
said,
the
the
minimum
standard.
L
But
you
know
if
you
provide
more
documentation
for
different
categories,
maybe
being
prioritized
and
or
getting
a
slightly
larger
amount
based
on
providing
that
information,
because
if,
if
you
did
have
a
huge
Financial
impact
and
you
were
serving
like
an
underserved,
Community
I
think
you
don't
want
to
make
it
too
complicated.
But
producing
like
a
few
documents
to
get
a
few
extra
Grand
might
might
be
worthy.
What
would
probably
be
worth
the
effort
if
you
were
really
in
that
affected
group.
A
We
haven't
considered
having
two
different
thresholds,
but
that's
something
we
could
consider
I
will
say
doing
it
on
census.
Tract
could
be
manageable
from
an
administrative
point
of
view,
we'd
really
have
to
think
hard
about,
including
the
affordability
of
the
unit,
because
that
is
extremely
complex
to
check.
A
That's
one
of
the
first
thing
we
tried
to
look
at
it
sounds
easy
in
concept,
but
it
can
get
pretty
complicated
to
be
able
to
check.
So
that's
something
we
could
consider,
but
we'd
have
to
get
latest
leases.
We'd
have
to
be
able
to
double
check
unit
size,
it's
fairly
easy
to
do
on
considering
a
low
level
of
units
for
one
applicant.
A
If
we
start
dealing
with
somebody
that
has
30
units
with
30
leases,
that
starts
being
a
little
complex,
I'm,
not
discounting
it,
but
we'd
have
to
really
think
things
through
that.
If
the
committee
is
really
feeling
strongly
about
that.
L
So
you
know
I'm
the
new
member
here,
so
I
apologize
if
this
has
been
discussed
before,
but
the
licensing
or
the
registration
aspect
of
this.
What
what
is
there?
Is
there
a
easily
accessible
data
there
like.
A
A
L
I
mean
so
so
I'm
come
from
an
I.T
background,
so
that
might
be
something
that
like,
as
we
think
of
like,
modernizing
or
changing
you
know
our
backhand
systems.
Having
like
a
you
know,
a
sequel
have
it
somehow
in
like
a
searchable
database,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
things.
You
can
learn
yeah.
L
And
you
know
that.
A
L
P
Just
so,
you
know,
council,
member
hedekaris.
We
try
to
scrub
through
the
data
as
best
as
we
as
we
could,
but
there
are
contradicting
fields
and
then
data
migration
was
not
done
correctly.
So
a
lot
of
the
information
is
obsolete
or
missing.
P
So
we
have
been
working
through
this
data
in
Excel.
Basically,
so
we've
been
cleaning
through
it
removing
duplicates
and
that's
the
best
that
we
can
get
as
far
as
now.
P
But
I
do
agree
with
you
that
we
definitely
need
some
form
of
database
that
can
track
not
only
number
of
units
but
unit
sizes
and
affordability.
So
that's
extremely
important.
Yeah.
L
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
go
through
the
open,
as
you
call
the
open
data
portion
of
the
website,
but
all
that
stuff
would
be
pretty
interesting.
Thanks.
K
Upgrading
our
database
is
a
major
requirement
for
improving
our
Property
Standards
program
and
that
that's
really
being
looked
at
there.
I,
don't
know
that
we
will
ever
really
be
able
to
track
the
rents
of
all
units.
That
is
a
massive
massive
job,
but
we
absolutely
need
to
have
the
number
of
units,
the
sizes
of
units
and
things
like
that,
and
ideally
we
would
mat.
We
would
be
able
to
have
some
way
of
taking
any
that
has
any
kind
of
income
restriction.
K
G
So
what
what
kind
of
information
did
we
get
from
the
landlords
when
they
filled
out
a
survey?
Do
we
do
they
tell
us
I?
The
impact
on
me
was
I.
You
know,
I
had
a
tenant
who
didn't
pay
rent
for
six
months
or
do.
E
A
The
survey
was
set
up
in
a
way
where
all
questions
were
optional
to
ensure
that
we
had
as
much
results
as
we
could,
and
the
question
essentially
asked
how
many
units
they
had,
how
many
of
those
were
in
Evanston
and
how
many
of
the
ones
in
Evanston
had
been
impacted
by
vacancy
or
rent
delinquencies.
So
that
was
one
factor,
and
then
we
also
asked
what
was
their
gross
revenue
for
2019
2020
2021.
E
A
Expenses
for
2019
2020
2021
to
try
to
be
able
to
assess
some
kind
of
trend.
Of
course,
not
everybody
answered
those
questions.
We
had
a
variety
of
scenarios
there.
There
was
a
good
chunk
of
people
that
reported
having
low
impact,
but
there
was
quite
a
bit
that
did
report
having
an
impact,
and
it
was
really
interesting
to
see
how
the
data
was
very
varied.
One
thing
that
didn't
change
and
we
got
a
lot
of
responses
that
were
small
landlords,
I,
think
I
believe
it
was
96.
A
There
were
one
of
three
units,
some
of
the
responses,
but
the
the
stories
that
were
put
in
the
comment
were
or
through
the
numbers
were
very
different.
We
had
people
that
mentioned.
Oh,
we
had
an
impact,
but
we
got
rent
assistance,
so
we
were
made
whole.
We
had
an
impact
and
on
one
unit
we
had
rents
assistance,
but
on
the
other
one
we
had
a
really
long
vacancy,
and
so
we
got
a
really
deep
place
there.
A
There
are
some
people
that
had
a
massive
drop
in
income,
some
people
that
had
a
medium-sized
drop,
but
then
they
had
expenses
that
can
skyrocketed.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
that
made
it
fairly
complicated
because
we
had
a
small
amount
of
data-
very
small,
although
not
surprising-
and
a
lot
of
difference
scenarios
with
that
data.
G
Because
I
was
thinking
if,
if
the
biggest
problem
was
the
fact
that
tenants
weren't
paying
their
rent,
then
if
we
could
just
look
at
just
you
know
the
drop
in
income
that
the
landlords
received.
That
would
be
a
way
to
yep
your
gauge
engaged
the
need,
but
I
guess
it
sounds
more
complicated
than
that.
It.
A
Doesn't
this
is
really
kind
of
a
consideration
that
the
committee
can
discuss
whether
we're
looking
at
line
three
on
the
schedule
e,
which
is
the
rent
perceived
or
line
21,
which
is
the
total
result?
A
A
You
know
price
of
the
unit
things
like
that,
but
if,
if
the
committee
is
looking
to
make
a
decision
on
income
versus
total
result
that
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
impact,
it's
it's
a
just
a
design
issue
of
whether
you
want
to
include
the
potential
for
people
that
had
increased
expenses,
knowing
that
by
doing
that,
you're
also
including
all
expenses.
E
N
P
Yes,
we
looked
at
Census
Data
Nationwide
to
see
how
many
units
per
small
landlord
each
small
landlord
had
so
it
it.
The
data
threw
back
that
from
1
to
15
is
what
is
considered
a
small
landlord
and
then
from
15th
to
30.
35
is
the
medium
sized
landlord.
K
I
just
wanted
to
bring
something
up.
It
might
not
be
a
good
thought,
but
there
may
be
significant
differences
in
cost
factors
like
increases
in
costs
because
of
covid.
K
If
you
have
more
units
in
a
single
building,
for
example,
if
you
have
a
six
unit
building
and
everybody's
using
the
same
stairwells
and
all
that
stuff,
there
was
this
whole
protocol
where
people
were
supposed
to
go,
wipe
down
the
common
areas
and
things
like
that,
if
you
have
it
too
flat
and
they
each
have
totally
separate
entrances,
you
don't
have
some
of
those
same
things,
I
wonder
if
there's
any
I
hadn't
thought
of
this
before
so
Marion
and
Adam
may
want
to
kill
me
if
we
considered
looking
at
the
different
needs
or
or
if,
if
it
would
help,
if
they
think
there's
any
difference
between
how
it
might
affect
a
larger
landlord
and,
of
course,
number
total
number
of
units
wouldn't
necessarily
be
it
either
there
might
be
size
of
building.
K
So
that
might
be
something
that's
just
completely
impossible
to
to
roll
in,
but
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
challenges
of
this.
There
are
so
many
factors
how
to
weigh
them
and
how
to
control
for
them
is,
is
really
challenging.
A
It's
not
something
we
are
necessarily
considered,
but
it's
definitely
an
interesting
point
when
it
comes
to
deciding
whether
we're
looking
at
toll
result
versus
just
income,
because
we
are
aware
there's
some
expenses
that
have
increased
for
landlords
during
covid
and
that
was
kind
of
one
of
the
consideration.
Looking
at
the
actual
Financial
result
versus
just
the
income
loss.
P
And
going
off
of
what
Joanne
said,
we
also
do
have
to
take
into
consideration
the
business
structure,
because
while
there
are
some
landlords
that
are
sole
Proprietors,
some
of
them
are
llc's
or
Holdings
or
family
trusts.
So
we
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
Also.
P
We
are
seeking
help
from
our
legal
team
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
Gathering
the
right
wording
to
make
sure
that
we
take
into
account
multiple
owners
of
one
building
or
different
Trustees
for
one
trust,
and
so,
and
so
so.
This
will
not
apply
for
like
simple
cases
where
there's
one
landlord
per
one
building
with
multiple
units.
But
it
will
come
into
into
account
when
we
look
at
different
business
structure.
Setups.
J
J
Like
are
the
intentions
to
help
as
many
units
to
stay
in
the
hands
of
mom
and
Paul
like
to
help
as
many
landlords
as
the
intentions
to
help
as
many
landlords
with
serving
low-income
populations
or
in
certain
geographies
like
because
I'm
not
actually
clear
on
that
level
detail
of
the
goal
Beyond
wanting
to
help
small
and
medium-sized
landlords?
So
maybe
some
clarity
around
the
the
program's
intentions
would
help
us
to.
A
Sure
the
intention
for
the
program
was
to
put
together
an
assistance
program
for
small
and
small
and
medium
landlord
that
have
been
affected,
to
prevent
the
loss
of
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
or
to
prevent
the
consolidation
of
rental
housing
into
the
hands
of
larger
landlords,
which
have
been
shown
to
provide
more
restrictive
rental
conditions
for
our
residents.
J
So,
at
the
risk
of
sounding
cold-hearted
and
I
mean
I
work
with
all
of
my
populations,
so
I,
you
know
my
personal
opinion.
I
wouldn't
necessarily
support
this,
but
if
that's
genuinely
the
red
the
the
goal,
then
I
don't
actually
think
it's
relevant,
whether
they're
in
areas
of
high
need
whether
there's
affordable
like
if
what
we're
really
saying
hand
to
heart
is
that
we
just
want
these
landlords
to
be
able
to
hold
on
to
those
properties.
J
Then
we
just
want
to
get
the
money
out
to
landlords
who
own
it
sounds
like
up
to
35
properties
in
Evanston
and
who
have
experienced
a
financial
loss
like
all
this
question
of
layering,
and
these
other
things
like
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
a
jerk
I.
Absolutely
personally
believe
that
we
should
be
prioritizing
these
some
of
these
things
and
not
some
of
these
other
things,
but
in
terms
of
getting
the
money
out
of
the
door
which
it
sounds
like
is
also
important.
J
There
may
be
a
case
to
be
made
for
making
a
simple
program:
that's
eligible
to
landlords
who
have
experienced
losses,
and
you
know
we
get
the
basic
documentation
and
they
I
I
agree
with
Joanne
that
there
I
was
a
little
surprised.
That
35
was
that
we
were
going
that
high
I.
Don't
know
if
Joanne
said
that,
but
I
thought
that's.
The
implication
with
that
question.
I
was
also
surprised.
I.
Think
of
small
is
a
little
smaller.
G
And
so
Lauren,
are
you
saying
so
it
doesn't
matter
whether
the
landlord
is
actually
providing
more
modest
rental
property?
It
could
be
if,
if
the
landlord
it
has
has
a
really
Posh
apartment
that
is
running
it,
but
had
a
loss
that
that
person
would
be
eligible
or
do
we
or
do
we
want
to
go
back
to
looking
at
our
census,
tracts,
for
example,
well,.
J
I
think
the
point
that
Joanne
made
that
if
the
person
is
at
the
landlord,
is
actually
relying
on
this
income
like
they
need
right
to
continue
to
own
this,
like
we
are
seeing
a
loss
of
their
income
as
a
result
of
this
I.
Don't
know,
I
just
think
this
program
is
so
complicated
that
if
we
don't
choose
to,
let
go
of
some
things.
E
G
G
You
know
we'll
figure
that
out,
but
maybe,
but
if
we
simplify
to
for
number
one
by
saying
it
would
be
these
census
tracts
these
census
tracts
yeah.
That
is
not
a
hundred
percent
guarantee
that
that
we're
gonna,
that
all
the
landlords
are
gonna
meet.
This
idea
that
we
have,
but
it
would
probably
get
us
pretty
close
to
that.
So.
J
Maybe
we
do
something
like
that
kind
of
sort
of
what
is
this
Sim?
Instead,
let's
not
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
good
right.
What
is
a
simple
data
cut
we
can
make
within
our
control
that
at
least
gets
us
in
the
ballpark
of
this
shared
desire.
We
all
have
to
make
sure
it's
for
affordable
housing
right
and
not
Posh
housing
or
whatever
else
right
so
to
me,
and
that
it
may
be
that
census
tract
is
the
way
to
do
that.
J
Yeah
because
there's
another
risk,
which
is
how
do
we
know
we're
not
giving
money
to
really
crappy
landlords
right
like
so.
We
have
risks
on
all
sides
of
this
thing
as
I
see
it,
which
is
why,
at
some
point,
I
think
we
pick,
but
let's
let
our
Tech
person,
who
may
probably
knows
more
about
the
data
than
me
how
to
think
about
data.
That's
just
what
I'm
hearing
I
just
think,
the
more
we
dig
in
the
more
we
risk,
paralysis
by
analysis.
You
know
so
yeah.
K
J
L
I
was
just
curious
if
we
had
like
a
ballpark
figure
as
to
how
many
potential
landlords
are
eligible
for
this,
because
that
can
also
you
know,
color
how
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
cutoff
like
Lawrence,
maybe
were
because
there
is
a
possibility,
like
you,
you
can
get
in
the
weeds
with
trying
to
figure
out
the
perfect
way
to
do
this.
But
if
there's
only
so
many
landlords
that
are
eligible.
E
A
So
that's
a
very
hard
numbered
to
come
by,
especially
because
without
a
final
program
design
it's
hard
to
tell
what
we
can
even
having
getting
the
actual
number
of
landlords
in
Evanston
is
not
easy,
because
data
is
by
property,
not
by
owner.
A
We
ballpark
that
there's
potentially
three
thousand
thirty
five
hundred
landlords
in
Evanston
and
depending
on
how
we
designed
the
program
based
on
the
survey
information
we've
seen,
there
could
be
10
to
20
percent
that
could
be
eligible
without
taking
into
account
Geographic
restrictions
and
then
considerations
such
as
are
we
looking
at
losses
versus
income?
A
Are
we
looking
at
Delta
versus
one
year
things
like
that
so
yeah,
if
you're,
just
looking
specifically
at
landlord
that
may
have
seen
a
loss
in
their
usual
Financial
results,
I'm
gonna
foresee
10
to
20
of
that
three
thousand,
but
there's
a
lot
of
additional
criteria
in
a
mix.
K
I
mean
we
know
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
may
own
a
property
and
they
move
for
a
job
in
another
place
and
they
rent
out
the
property
or
you
know,
but
they
are
making
a
very
good
income.
You
know,
I,
always
a
challenge.
Yeah.
A
Yeah
that
was
a
very
challenging
conversation
that
we
had
on
that
topic.
I
will
say
that
when
it
comes
to
the
geographic
area,
there's
two
concept
that
was
brought
up,
one
was
upping
the
threshold
depending
on
the
area
and
the
other
was
opening
eligibility
to
a
certain
area
and
then
broadening
later,
if
there's
any
funds
remaining.
So
there's
two
different
approaches
that
you
can
consider.
A
So
the
first
one
that
was
mentioned
was
having
one
threshold
and
then
an
elevated
threshold
such
as
eighteen
thousand
dollars,
or
something
that
for
highly
impacted
areas
or
low
mod
income
areas
and
then
the
second
one,
and
that
would
essentially
address
getting
money
more
money
in
the
areas
they're
more
likely
to
have
more
affordable
housing
and
the
second
one
would
be
to
do
two
waves
of
application
and
prioritizing
certain
areas
first
and
then,
if
funds
are
remaining,
then
opening
it
up
later
to
other
areas.
Okay,
yeah.
G
N
N
Even
though
the
definition
of
medium-sized
landlord
is
35,
units
We
could
decide
to
lower
the
number
like
the
25
I
would
I
suppose
you
know.
I
have
no
idea
no
to
you,
but
whether
somebody
with
35
units,
you
know,
would
probably
have
more
people
who
maybe
weren't
paying
but
I
just
wonder
overall
whether
their
overall
income
was
impacted
as
much
as
somebody
with
just
a
lot
fewer
units.
G
N
G
A
A
A
A
J
Yeah
so
I
mean
one
thing:
I've
been
thinking
about
is
I
feel
like
this
people
who
spoke
at
the
beginning
and
I,
don't
remember
their
names,
I
apologize
if
they're
still
on,
but
the
feedback
we
were
getting
from.
That
is
that
this
wasn't
enough.
Money
and
I
would
be
curious
to
hear
people
who
worked
on
the
survey
kind
of
your
thoughts
on
if
we're
giving
enough
money.
J
I
know
money
is
finite,
but
that
is
a
question
I've
been
thinking
about,
and
then
the
other
thing
I've
been
wondering
is
if
there
are
other
levers
that
are
available
to
pull,
to
provide
some
relief,
if
not
through
this
program-
and
maybe
that's
not
a
conversation
for
tonight.
This
program
is
complicated
enough,
but
but
something
maybe
we
should
talk
about
later,
because
I
do
feel
like
that's
come
through
pretty
strongly
when
we've
had
commenters
just
throughout
our
meetings,
is
that
it's
tough
being
a
landlord
in
Evanston
right
now,.
B
G
Yeah
no
I
I
think
having
a
longer
term
discussion
about
other
kinds
of
ways.
We
can
support
our
small
landlords
and
particularly
the
ones
that
are
providing
you
know,
rent
to
low
and
moderate
income
tenants.
So
so
this
is
just
one
program
and
then
I
think.
Maybe
we
should
continue
the
discussion
about
what
other
kinds
of
supports
we
can
provide.
Yeah.
K
The
other
thing
that
we
could
consider
is
taking
a
certain
amount
of
money
and
designating
it
as
a
sort
of
pilot
to
see
what
happens
and
then
make
adjustments.
I
I,
don't
necessarily
know
what
we
would
learn
or
if
it
would
just
make
it
more
complicated
again,
you
know
that's
one
of
the
challenges,
the
minute
you
think
about
well
what
if
we
learn
that
there's
nothing
Earth
shaking
that
allows
us
to
do
something
and
we've
just
delayed
helping
people
or
made
a
two-step
yeah.
A
When
it
comes
to
comes
to
the
comment
you
made
before
about
the
the
level
of
help
and
the
size
of
the
number
of
units
or
that
are
owned
by
landlord,
we
had
consideration
around
that
around
trying
to
think
about
what
a
program
should
be
designed
based
on
the
number
percentage
of
impacted
unit
within
a
portfolio
or
a
flat
fee
per
unit.
A
The
threshold
was
put
in
place
so
that
we
I
mean
we
looked
at
the
average
loss
that
was
reported
for
those
people
that
were
willing
to
report
some
information,
and
you
try
to
make
sure
that
we
went
well
above
that
so
right
now,
at
fifteen
thousand
dollars
you're
looking
at
a
27
loss
of
income,
it's
not
a
ton,
but
by
trying
to
establish
a
program
that
didn't
have
too
much
complexity
and
wasn't
necessary
for
reading
one
or
the
other,
the
small
landlord,
which
is
a
very
large
landlord
that
could
essentially
suck
up
a
large
percentage
of
the
funds.
A
We
had
to
try
to
find
a
balance.
So
that's
kind
of
how
the
threshold
was
put
together.
E
K
G
N
Owner,
okay,
right,
well,
I
guess
I
mean
I.
Think
I
wouldn't
want
to
emphasize
those
landlords
providing
housing.
For
you
know
a
low
on
moderate
incomes,
I
suppose,
no
matter
where
they
were
in
the
city
anyway,
like
I
said:
there's
not
never,
there's,
never
enough
money,
and
so
this
is
just
making
my
head
spin.
This
is
the
which
way
to
go.
G
Okay,
council,
member
Burns.
A
Financial
assistance,
75
of
the
Delta
between
2019
and
2021,
either
in
income,
rent
income
perceived
or
in
total
results
for
those
years
and
that
we're
discussing
the
threshold
a
few
numbers
have
been
thrown
around,
but
right
now,
I've
heard
we've
proposed
twelve
thousand
fifteen
thousand
and
eighteen
thousand
dollars
was
mentioned
as
well,
and
the
consideration
for
a
layer
that
would
consider
highly
impacted
areas
which
could
be
either
highly
impacted,
census,
tract
or
low
moderate
income
areas.
As
highlighted
by
the
map
that
we
have.
Q
I'm,
not
sure
I
mean
I
I,
think
the
low
to
mod
areas
could
address
my
concern,
I
I,
think
fundamentally
for
me
and
and
I'm
just
repeating,
probably
whatever,
but
but
other
people
have
said,
but
obviously
anybody
that
who's,
whose
income
is
largely
represented
by
you
know
the
the
rental
property
that
they
have
is
is
a
key
group,
and
then
you
know
landlords
who
are
providing
affordable
housing
and
that
doesn't
you,
you
may
be
you
you
may
rent
out
close
to
the
market
rate
housing
in
a
low
to
mod
area
right.
Q
So
that's
where
I
get
concerned,
I
mean
I.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
getting
money
to
those
two
groups
and
if
it's
and
if
they
check
both
boxes
for
me,
even
better
right,
if
you're,
if
you
run
out
to
at
affordable
amounts,
affordable
rates
for
the
prices
and
you
you
know
this.
The
rental
income
makes
up
a
large
percentage
of
of
your
income
to
me,
that's
the
group
that
I
want
to
and
you've
experienced
losses.
Q
Let's
say
that
so
those
those
three
boxes,
that's
the
folks
that
I've,
you
know,
would
like
to
see
a
benefit
from
this
program
at
least
initially,
but
again,
I
think
somebody
asked
earlier
like
what
was
the
original
intent.
That
was
my
understanding
from
the
beginning,
but
I
I
could
be
off.
Maybe
it
was
just
to
support
any
landlord
across
the
city
that
that
you
know
whose
income
is
made
up
largely
by
rental
income,
to
support
them,
but
I
felt
like
naturally
occurring.
Affordable
housing
was
something
that
I
heard.
E
P
Does
it
have
to
be
accounted
for
in
some
kind
of
program?
So
do
they
have
to
be
receiving?
Do
they
have
to
provide
Section
8
or
be
receiving
some
sort
of
Aid
housing
aid?
K
They
might
have
struggled
with
the
timing
of
if
the
tenants
this
happens,
a
lot,
the
tenant
wouldn't
be
able
to
pay
their
portion,
and
then
they
had
to
go
back
to
the
Housing,
Authority
or
whoever,
and
they
were
supposed
to
adjust
the
the
subsidy.
Based
on
that,
though,
I'm
sure
there
was
a
time
delay
and
things
like
that,
and
that
can
be
a
challenge,
and
so
that
is
that
is
a
real
challenge
of
trying
to
Define
it
by
any
and
I.
K
Think
Lauren
also
made
a
good
point
that
in
that,
to
a
certain
extent,
the
smaller
landlords
are
known
overall,
and
you
can't
you
can't
get
it
to
every
landlord
to
rent
at
lower
rent
rates
and
often
are
much
more
accepting
of
lower
income
tenants
because
they
don't
have
the
same
challenge.
You
know
they
don't
have
the
same
sort
of
rigid
tenant
selection
plans,
and
you
know.
B
A
Yeah
I
would
suggest
that,
when
we're
looking
at
affordable,
naturally
affordable
housing
naturally
occurring
that
we
try
to
look
at
even
if
it's
very
imperfect,
Geographic
areas,
I
just
can't,
we
haven't
I've,
been
able
to
identify
a
way
to
systematically
check
and
Implement
a
program
that
would
really
take
that
into
account
in
a
meaningful
way.
J
Well,
yeah
it
so
it
sounds
to
me
like
we're
really
interested
in
three
criteria.
It
sounds
like
we
are
interested
in
landlords
for
whom
a
large
portion
of
their
income
comes
from
their
rents.
We
are
interested
in
units
that
are
affordable
and
we
are
interested
in
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
So
if
those
are
kind,
those
sound
like
the
three
things
that
keep
coming
up
right:
affordability,
naturally
affordable
as
opposed
to
subsidized,
because
if
it's
subsidized
you're,
potentially
getting
some
income
from
other
places
and
income
really
matters
to
the
landlord.
J
A
We
it's
really
really
tricky,
because
can
we
check
a
10
40
for
a
personal
business
owner?
Yes,
potentially
it
creates
definite,
much
heavier
barrier
than
asking
for
Schedule
E
yeah.
Then
it
starts
getting
really
really
complex
when
you're
asking
staff
to
check
okay.
What's
the
percentage
of
the
income
they've
reported
yeah.
J
J
And
we
have
to
make
a
decision,
it
sounds
like
we
can
either
go
One
Direction,
which
is
prioritize
income
like
the
role
that
rents
play
and
income,
in
which
case
we
have
to
do
it.
You
just
described
the
1040
and
go
down
that
path
or
if,
if
there's
not
another
way,
to
confirm
the
role
that
red
plays
an
income,
we
have
to
not
prioritize
income
as
a
part
of
their
rent
right.
So
that
to
me
sounds
like
just
an
unfortunate
decision.
I
J
To
make-
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
you're,
saying
administratively,
it's
very
very
difficult,
so
while
we
may
all
want
that,
that
may
not
be
possible
so
all
right
holding
on
to
that
for
a
second,
it
sounds
to
me
then,
like
that,
if
that's
one
of
our
three
criteria,
that
criteria
is
out,
let's
say
so,
then
the
next
one
is
naturally
occurring
occurring,
affordable
housing
and
you
Marianne
just
gave
us
a
least
imperfect
definition
sounds
like
which
are
census
tracts.
J
So
maybe
we
can
hold
on
to
that
one
by
prioritizing
for
the
initial
funding
units
that
are
in
those
census
tracts.
So
so,
let's
just
put
a
pin
in
that
and
then,
if
our
third
is
that
it
is
genuinely
affordable,
that
was
another
one
where
it
sounded
to
me
like.
We
basically
can't
do
that
calculation,
because
we
don't
know
the
unit
size.
We
don't
have
the
lease
information,
and
so
here
again
we
potentially
hit
a
fork
in
the
road
we
can
Pro.
J
and
that's
it
and
then,
if
there's
money
left
over,
we
can
expand
it
to
other
areas.
I
agree,
I
do
agree
with
Joanne
said
that
it's
more
important
that
there's
the
units
are
serving
LMI
populations,
though
that
they're
located
in
LMI
census
tracts,
is
what
I
think
I
heard
Joanne
say,
even
if
not
I
believe
that,
but
I
don't
think
we
have
an
easy
way
to
do
that
and
I
just
think.
We
can't
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
the
good.
So.
J
Target
census
tracks
smaller
unit
count
because
I
do
think
those
are
more
likely
to
be
reaching
deeper
into
the
LMI
population,
maybe
18,
to
20
to
make
more
meaningful
support.
Based
on
what
we're
hearing
and
I
know
the
survey
data,
was
there
too
I
get
it,
but
we
won't.
You
know
we'll
have
the
tax
information,
so
we
can
ratchet
it
up.
We
don't
have
to
give
everyone
that
much
and
then
just
see
how
it
goes.
That's
my
vote.
Yeah
Joanne.
N
Yeah
I
agree
with
Lauren.
Can
we
ask
people
to
without
asking
for
their
tax
returns
and
just
going
on,
hopefully
they're
telling
us
the
truth
of
what
are
your
other
sources
of
income
and
Can?
You
estimate
what
percentage
of
your
rents
are
a
portion
of
your
income
and
then
not
ask
for
the
tax
returns,
but
but
Lauren
said
it's
good.
I
mean
there's
just
no
easy
Evolution
here
there.
G
Isn't-
and
we
don't
want
to
get
too
invasive
in
the
kinds
of
questions
we
ask
so
yeah,
so
council,
member
Burns.
Q
My
understanding,
that
is
in
most
rental
assistance
programs.
It
is
pretty
standard
to
check
a
lease
and
so
I
do
not.
You
know
unless
I
miss
something.
What
is
the
concern
about
checking
lease.
A
How
are
you
concerned
when
you're
and
yes,
usually,
we
get
a
lease
from
the
landlord?
It's
not
necessary.
We're
not
concerned
about
checking
the
lease.
It's
checking
the
lease
against
understanding
the
size
of
the
unit
and
trying
to
understand
how
to
check
that
and
multiplying
that
with
the
different
number
of
units.
A
So
when
you
do
rent
assistance,
there's
one
application
for
one
unit
when
we're
talking
about
landlord
assistance,
there
may
be
one
unit,
but
we
have
to
think
about
the
design
of
what
that's
going
to
look
like
when
a
landlord
is
applying
and
he's
got
10
units
or
15
units
or
20
units
having
to
provide
every
single
lease,
keep
track
of
each
leases
against
each
unit
size
and
then
understanding
whether
we
want
to
put
a
threshold
on
how
many
units
are
affordable
or
not
affordable.
Do
they
all
need
to
be
affordable?
A
It's
it's
doable,
but
it
definitely
multiplies
the
level
of
complexity
when
you're,
both
advertising
a
program
and
when
you're
implementing
it
and
the
processing
timeline.
Okay,.
Q
I'm,
you
know
it
is
what
it
is
trying
to
make
a
difference,
but
is
that
you
won't
have
a
building
where
one
of
the
units
is
market
rate
and
the
other
is
Affordable
and
the
others
Margaret.
The
other
is
it's
just
they
they're
either
affordable,
because
there's
a
voucher
involved,
the
subsidy
involved
or
they're
just
all
naturally
occurring.
Q
You
know
affordable
housing
or
some
it's
priced
affordably
and
it's
consistent
because
why
would
one
person
pay
a
different
rate
for
a
two
bedroom
than
someone
else
outside
of
you
know,
Minor
Adjustments,
if
they've
been
grandfathered
in
and
been
there
a
while,
you
know
maybe
there's
some.
You
know
they're
paying
a
slightly
lower
amount
than
than
someone
who
is
just
coming
in
and
experiencing
you
know
kind
of
the
an
increase
but
I
for
the
most
part.
Everybody
is
kind
of
priced
similarly
and
I.
Q
Q
You
know
we
can
use
Ami
or
whatever
we
want
to
use
for
that,
but
that
they're
generally
affordable
units
being
rented
out
in
that
in
that
apartment,
building.
I
think
that
you
know
we
should
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
do
that.
There.
A
Are
threshold
we
can
use
absolutely
as
far
as
the
actual
rent
level
I
think
the
documentation
part
creates
some
issues,
but
as
far
as
the
threshold,
their
threshold,
we
had
thought
about
that
we
could
potentially
use
yes
and.
Q
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
big
enough
program
to
warrant
some
support
from
from
some
of
our
providers.
Who
do
this
on
a
regular
basis
to
provide
you
know,
rental
assistance.
You
know
support
on
a
regular
basis.
You
might
be
able
to
help
not
only
guide
us,
but
even
support
us
in
administering
this.
You
know
I,
don't
know
if
we've
reached
out
to
you
know
those
providers
to
see
if
they
can
support
us
at
all,
especially
in
the
administration
of
it.
A
We
haven't
reached
out
I
would
say
that,
based
on
my
experience
as
far
as
implementing
that
kind
of
support,
it's
at
the
point
we're
at
right.
Now,
it's
very
likely
to
increase
the
timeline
of
when
we
could
release
fund,
because
we
would
have
to
start
those
conversation
negotiate
whether
they
even
have
the
bandwidth
to
take
that
on
which
isn't
sure
that
could
potentially
postpone
things.
Q
And
then,
if
somebody
has
have
we
considered
what
happens,
this
is
a
deviation
from
that.
But
if
someone
has
open,
you
know,
violations
with
the
city,
as
an
example
is,
are
they
still
eligible
to
receive
funds,
Property
Standards
violations.
J
Q
K
Based
on
the
severity
of
them,
I
mean
I
think
that
if
somebody
has
been,
you
know
if,
if
somebody
has
very
minor
ones,
that
from
an
inspection
and
things
like
outlet
covers
missing
and
stuff
like
that.
But
I
do
think
that
if,
if
we've
got
some
of
the
real
problems
that
we've
been
dealing
with
and
Hauling
somebody
into
adjudication
or
court
and
not
getting
responses,
I
think
that
those
would
absolutely
be
rolled.
Q
Out
something
I
think
worth
considering
in
you
know
having
down
in
the
guidelines,
so
it's
clear.
Q
Going
from
from
35
I
think
we
we
survived
surveyed
landlords
who
have
up
to
35
units
to
16
or
18
I
can't
remember
what
said
is
is
a
is
a
pretty
big
jump.
You
know
I
think
maybe
25
units
but
I
think
that's
a
pretty
big
jump.
We
went
out.
We
surveyed
up
to
35,
just
to
cut
them
off.
I
think
feels
a
little
makes
me
a
little
uneasy,
but
not
feel
more
comfortable
going
from
35
to
25.,
but
that's
that's
where
I'm
at
and
that's
all
for
now.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah
and-
and
it
is
getting
to
be
past,
our
bedtime
so
I
if
I
I,
think
what
we're
saying
is
we're
going
to
focus
on
or
Geographic
areas,
I,
don't
know
you
used
a
different
word.
G
Marion
then
census
tracts
either,
whichever
whichever
one
is,
what
whatever
whatever's
going
to
get
us
into
targeted
parts
of
the
community,
where,
in
general,
there's
more
naturally
occurring
affordable,
housing
so
to
Target
those
areas,
we
compare
the
2000,
the
20
20.
What
2019.
A
A
I
haven't
heard
consensus
on
that.
A
More
time
yeah,
so
the
choice
is
whether
we're
looking
at
the
Delta
between
the
perseverance,
so
the
rental
income
difference
or
whether
we're
looking
at
the
Delta
between
the
actual
Financial
result,
which
would
include
perseverance
as
well
as
expenses
and
depreciation,
which
means
that,
in
that
scenario,
we're
including
the
potential
for
increased
expenses,
occurred
due
to
covid
or
not
due
to
covid,
but
just
increased
expenses
between
2019
and
2021.
So
that's
a
fuller
picture
of
the
actual
business
results,
but
it
does
include
all
expenses.
A
That
is
what
we
were
looking
at
and
had
suggested
in
our
memo.
Sorry,
for
the
various
reasons
that
we've
mentioned
in
the
conversation.
G
K
K
No,
no
use
I,
I
wrote
down
landlords
based
on
the
number
of
units
in
the
target,
low
mod.
J
We
could
scale
it
up
and
have
bonuses
for
more.
You
know,
I
do
agree.
I
will
say
with
what
councilman
member
Burns
was
saying
about.
If
they're
charging
one
rent
I
mean
I
think
on
projects
that
on
buildings,
this
small,
they
are
unlikely
to
have
subsidy.
That
would
force
them
to
have
a
range
of
Market
rents.
E
A
Reached
out
to
everyone
it
just
so
happened.
We
got
results
from
three
people
that
were
above
20,
but
we
reach
out
to
all
landlords
regard
ssis,
I,.
J
Just
feel
personally
like
there
is
likely
to
be
a
correlation,
the
smaller
the
number
of
units
held
by
any
one
person,
the
more
likely
that
landlord
is
to
be
serving
LMI
populations.
If
we
are
targeting
certain
areas,
which
is
part
of
my
argument
for
lowering
the
number
of
units
they
can
have.
But
I
was
not
on
the
committee
that
worked
on
this
and
I
don't
want
to
undermine
that
work.
So
if
other
people
feel
strongly
I'm
not
going
to
fight
on
it
at
all.
Q
A
B
A
Cpa
on
how
to
handle
multiple
ownership
and
trickier
layers
of
information
that
we've
got
to
deal
with
great.
G
B
G
K
E
G
So
motion
passes
great.
Thank
you
great
well,
thank
you,
everybody
and
we
will
deal
with
some
issues
on
our
agenda
at
our
at
our
next
meeting
and
I
call
us
adjourned.
Oh
and
our
next
meeting
is
November
15th,
so.