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From YouTube: Housing & Community Development Committee Nov. 16, 2021
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Overview of the Draft 2022 Action Plan and Citizen Participation Plan. Find the agenda, packet and more information on the committee's web page: https://www.cityofevanston.org/government/housing-community-development-committee
A
Well,
welcome
everyone
to
the
november
16
2021
meeting
of
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
We
have
a
quorum,
so
I
declare
us
ready
to
meet,
and
so
the
first
item
is
suspension
of
the
rules.
Would
someone
make
a
motion
to
suspend
it
to
allow
people
to
allow
us
to
meet
either
electronically
or
by
phone.
D
A
E
A
H
E
B
C
G
H
C
C
Nine
to
zero,
okay
and
I
was
going
to
make
a
quick
announcement
around
public
participation
to
clarify
how
things
can
work
so
for
all
the
attendees
are
here
we
have
so
far
five
attendees.
We
got
a
request
last
meeting
so
that
the
attendees
could
see
who
has
joined.
We
looked
into
it
with
the
company
and
it
is
not
possible.
So
what
I
will
do
is
at
the
beginning
of
each
meeting.
I
will
read
and
share
with
the
group
who
is
present,
so
everybody
can
be
aware.
C
C
Anything
like
a
statement
or
a
broader
question
would
most
likely
be
better
shared
during
the
public
comment
time
well
as
q
a
come
in
when
there's
a
a
presentation,
we'll
try
to
answer
as
many
as
possible
in
the
context
of
the
presentation.
If
we
don't
get
to
all
the
q,
a
we'll
put
an
answer
on
the
website,
along
with
the
presentation
when
it's
posted,
so
that
is
that
for
the
q
a
I
did
switch
on
the
chat
so
that
we
post
can
chat,
send
links
to
the
public.
A
H
C
A
And
then
just
to
bring
you
up
to
date,
we
are,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
they're,
going
to
be
some
changes
to
the
rules
and
procedures
for
the
committee.
But
sarah
and
marion
are
still
working
on
that
and
they
need
to
the
changes
need
to
go
to
the
legal
department
just
to
make
sure
everything's.
Okay.
So
that's
not
quite
ready
to
come
to
the
committee
for
approval,
but
probably
at
our
next
next
meeting.
Would
that
be
a
fair
guess
there?
E
C
C
As
sir
I
mentioned,
both
documents
are
in
draft
mode
right
now
they
just
were
posted
on
the
website.
There
is
the
link
at
the
bottom
of
this
presentation
with
the
short
url
and
they
will
be
part
of
the
past
packet
next
month,
as
well
as
I
just
send
them
by
email
to
you
a
little
while
ago,
you're
not
expected
to
have
reviewed
them
just
yet
the
citizen
participation
plan.
Very
few
changes
have
been
made.
C
We
needed
to
make
some
changes
to
reflect
the
new
committee
structures
we've
replaced,
as
you
know,
the
housing,
housing
and
community
development
act
committee,
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission
and
the
mental
health
board.
With
your
new
current
committee,
housing
and
community
development
and
the
social
service
committee
and
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
changes
around
how
cpg
funding
is
handled,
being
split
between
your
committee
and
the
social
services
committee
as
you're
aware,
so
that
needed
to
be
reflected
in
the
citizen
participation
plan.
C
B
C
Year
when
we
get
the
final
numbers,
because
that
would
add
a
lot
more
time
on
final
approval,
which
would
then
mean
that
they
would
add
more
time
onto
actually
getting
funding
so
generally
speaking,
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
avoid
additional
administrative
work.
If
we
can
so,
we
can
actually
make
sure
we
can
do
work
on
actual
programs.
So
those
were
the
two
changes.
The
citizen
participation
plan,
as
I
mentioned,
is
posted
on
a
website
and
any
changes
have
been
highlighted
in
yellow,
so
that's
fairly
easy
to
see
as
you
review
it.
C
C
But
if
you
are
reviewing
the
applications-
and
you
have
known
questions
already,
what
would
be
great
is
if
you
can
send
questions
before
monday,
12
6,
that
email.
That
way,
we
can
get
answers
in
writing,
and
we
can
include
that
in
the
packet
that
helps
streamline
the
meeting.
That
helps
us
keep
track
of
all
the
questions
and
then
everybody's
aware
of
what
questions
been
asked
and
can
review
that
before
the
meeting.
C
So
that's
one
thing:
the
2022
cdbg
cd
applications
now
the
applications
that
are
in
your
packet,
I
believe,
there's
six.
There
are
four
that
are
for
city
infrastructure
projects
and
two
that
are
around
housing
program
and
the
reason
that
we're
opening
those
specific
application
in
december
is
because
this
is
the
timeline
that
we
need
to
make
sure,
there's
no
interruption
in
services
or
that
the
capital
improvement
projects
can
be
planned
so
that
they
actually
happen
in
2022
should
they
be
approved.
C
C
We
have
an
alley
improvement
for
397
dollars,
a
sidewalk
gap
in
fill
for
150
some
dollars,
a
sidewalk
improvement
project
that
one
is
more
floating,
there's
no
specific
location,
it
depends
on
the
needs
and
all
of
it
should
be
located
in
cdbg
eligible
areas
and
then
there's
a
park,
picnic,
shelter,
electrical
improvement
project,
that's
120
for
the
housing
programs.
We
have
the
housing
rehabilitation
program
for
two
hundred,
fifty
two
thousand
and
five
hundred
dollars
and
the
code
enforcement
program
for
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
C
I
think
at
this
point,
unless
you
have
any
question
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
we
can
go
over
the
actual
draft
action
plan
chart
which
wasn't
put
in
your
packet
she's
a
little
bit
of
a
complicated
spreadsheet,
but
that
will
give
you
a
good
overview
as
far
as
what
we
are,
including
the
draft
plan.
So
far,.
A
C
E
E
E
Then
we
get
that
number
and
we
have
to
update
our
action
plan
and
then
get
it
reviewed
by
the
committee
and
approved
by
city
council.
Then
it
goes
to
hud.
Hud
has
45
days
to
review
and
approve
it,
and
they
frequently
don't
get
it
done
in
that
period
of
time.
So
you
can
see
how
the
time
gets
farther
and
farther
and
farther
into
our
fiscal
year,
and
we
get
less
and
less
time
to
actually
use
our
money
for
any
purpose.
E
E
Overall
city
budget
too,
because
you
know
we
sort
of
estimate
these
levels
in
of
of
funding
coming
from
cdbg
into
our
into
our
city
planning
budget
planning.
But
we've
also
found
that
in
the
past
for
many
many
years,
we
would
do
our
grant.
We
do
our
cdbg
allocations
on
estimate
on
estimates
and
we
would
allocate
to
every
single
application
that
the
committee
chose
that
they
wanted
to
fund,
but
we
were
never
able
to
actually
release
funds
to
them
until
we
got
access
to
our
funds.
E
But
we
can't
really
do
that
with
capital
projects,
because
we
really
don't
want
to
float
capital
budgets
that
way,
and
even
when
we've
had
non-profits
apply
for
facilities
improvements
projects.
What
tends
to
happen?
Is
they
get
some
estimates?
They
say
this
is
their
project
budget.
By
the
time
we
get
around
to
implementing
it,
which
is
a
year
afterwards,
costs
have
changed,
the
contractor
isn't
interested,
they
go
through
the
whole
process
again,
and
it
really
hasn't
helped
anyone,
but
it's
taken
up
just
a
whole
lot
of
time.
E
E
So,
but
we
want
to
give
you
that
history,
because-
and
also
so
the
public
can
hear
that
history,
because
it's
like
why
on
earth
would
anyone
do
this?
It's
not
our
choice.
We
would
much
rather
not
have
to
deal
with
this,
but
cdbg
has
certain
things
that
have
to
be
spent
in
your
fiscal
year.
For
example,
even
our
administrative
costs
now
we're
still
finishing
up
programs
projects
that
were
funded
in
prior
cdbg
fiscal
years.
E
You
know
because
our
capital
projects
frequently
carry
over,
but
our
cdbg
administration
funding
has
to
be
spent
in
the
year
that
it
is
tied
to
so.
If
we
don't
do
this
sort
of
thing,
then
what
happens
is
we
would
have
a
big
gap
for
like
the
first
half
of
the
year
when
our
positions,
for
example,
would
not
be
funded.
So
how
could
we
actually
move
the
program
forward?
E
It's
just
really
an
unfortunate
complicated
mass,
because
the
regulations
have
been
changed,
but
there
are
underlining
statutory
rules
for
cdbg
that
account
for
this
weirdness
and
nobody
knows
how
to
solve
it,
but
nobody's
going
to
ask
congress
to
try
to
rule
on
some
of
this
right
now.
It's
really
low
on
their
priorities.
So
that's
kind
of
long-winded
explanation,
but
marian
and
I
would
never
have
come
up
with
this
situation.
B
G
E
No,
we
have
always
got
every
single
one
of
our
entitlement
grants
from
when
we
first
started
receiving
them.
There's
never
been
a
year
that
they
have
not
been
approved
by
congress.
So
cdbg
goes
back
to
1975
home
was
about
1995
and
I
honestly
don't
remember
when
esg
was,
but
you
know
so,
we've
been
getting
these
grants
for
quite
a
while.
E
B
E
We
have
a
thing
that
says
cdbg
en
and
pi.
So
that's
the
total
we're
talking
about
allocating,
but
the
actual
grant
amount
is
off
in
the
margin
on
the
right,
we're
estimating
that
we'll
get
a
million
eight
hundred
thousand
in
new
entitlement
money.
We've
already
received
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
five
hundred
in
program
income.
So
that's
where
the
other
money
comes
from,
so
that's
actual.
That's
sitting
in
a
bank
account.
The
1.8
million
is
estimated
with
home
same
thing.
We're
making
an
estimate
of
this.
E
384
300
we're
estimating
the
grant
itself
at
350
000
and
we've
already
gotten
the
program
income
that
makes
up
the
difference
from
that.
So
that's
how
we've
arrived
at
that
and
esg.
I
got
to
tell
you:
we
were
estimating
at
150
000
in
the
last
two
years
have
been
100
and
over
that,
so
we
just
went
all
the
way
up
to
155.
E
E
C
That's
why
we
wanted
to
provide
you
with
this
update
in
this
overview,
so
this
chart
is
essentially
one
of
the
chart
that
is
for
the
goal
funding
in
the
in
the
action
plan.
That's
one
of
the
charts
you'll
see
in
a
different
format
in
the
action
plan
document
and
we
created
this
chart
because
we
wanted
to
have
a
little
bit
more
clarity,
but
we
also
wanted
to
add
some
information
and
for
you
to
have
historical
so
the
way
to
look
at
it.
C
You
have
the
three
columns
that
provide
you,
the
historical
2020
2021
and
then
the
estimates
for
2022
and
then
in
here
you've
got
the
different
goals
that,
with
the
total,
so
you
see
here,
affordable
housing
goals,
total
and
the
three
different
grants
that
we
work
with
each
row
has
been
color
coded.
So
you
can
easily
refer
to
cdbg
throughout
the
sheet
and
see
what
it
amounts
to,
and
that's
exactly
for
the
specific
question
that
you
asked
consumer
member
nusma,
because
we
wanted
to
provide
two
pieces
of
information
for
you.
C
C
E
It
is
challenging
because
we're
we're
trying
to
give
a
sort
of
just
overview
and
we
do
round
we
do
round
up
to
an
even
you
know:
it's
like
you.
We
don't
want
to
carry
the
percents
out
too
far
and
there
is
a
possibility,
I'm
not
sure,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
remember
one
of
the
times
I
was
working
on
one
of
these
spreadsheets,
where
I
found
that
I'd
made
my
formulas
inconsistent
between
whether
I
was
looking
at
the
actual
anticipated
grant
or
the
grant
and
program
income.
So
that
could
be.
E
E
E
E
E
Public
services
is
just
the
opposite.
Public
services
is
15
of
the
grant,
plus
program
income
technically
and
historically,
because
there's
a
very
high
need
for
services.
We
have
always
funded
that
at
the
full
15.
So
I
will
check
to
see
if
we
had
a
so
that
should
be
one
go.
A
little
lower,
19025
oops.
E
E
E
H
C
C
C
And
that
was
to
give
you
kind
of
an
idea
as
far
as
we
have
so
many
goals
for
the
action
plan,
but
not
every
source
of
funding
is
eligible
for
each
goal.
So
as
an
exam,
so
all
of
the
gray
out
rows
there
is
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
understand
which
grant
is
eligible
for
what
type
of
goal
or
what
type
of
work.
For
example,
esg
is
not
usually
used
for
affordable
housing
goals,
the
livable
community
goals,
which
is
often
city
infrastructure
projects
or
a
non-profit
public
facility
project,
that's
not
eligible.
C
C
E
C
E
Administration
goal
because
the
other
grants
don't
have
enough
in
them
to
be
able
to
do
both
the
project
management
and
the
compliance
and
the
broader
consolidated
plan.
There
are
about
1200
cdbg
entitlement
grantees
in
the
country,
and
nobody
gets
home
or
esg
if
they
don't
get
cdbgs,
so
cdbg
is
kind
of
parent
grant.
I
mean
you're,
not
an
entitlement
community
unless
you
get
cdbg
and
you
might
get
the
other
grants
depending
on
the
formulas.
E
E
C
Thank
you.
I
I
did
want
to
ask
add
something
else
that
I
think
is
helpful
to
remember:
the
2022
allocation
on
estimates,
our
specific
allocation
for
the
22
funding
in
some
cases-
and
I
guess
I'll-
use
the
example
of
housing
rehab
there
could
be
funding
that
has
not
been
fully
used
for
previous
years
and
in
that
case,
that
can
roll
over
for
that
specific
project
into
the
next
year.
C
E
Right
so
there
can
be
in
in
many
cases
almost
every
time
we
do
big
capital
projects,
they
are
not
completed
in
one
fiscal
year.
The
money
is
so.
There
are
only
two
categories
for
cdbg
that
you
have
to
spend
your
grant
money
in
the
fiscal
year
for
which
it
was
allocated,
and
that
is
public
services
and
administration.
E
A
E
Have
had
very
little
citizen
participation
and
we
certainly
try
to
get
it
we
have
to.
We
have
to
run
an
ad
in
a
newspaper
of
you
know,
which
is
kind
of
when
we've
run
the
ad.
It's
never
been
the
way
we
get
much
input,
but
we've
done
a
it
will
be
in
the
e-news.
We
will
email
all
of
our
non-profits
who
tend
to
be
funded
and
be
following
and
ask
them
to
publish
that
that
we're
looking
for
public
comment-
and
we
have
we
do
get
occasionally.
E
We've
also
done
facebook
and
twitter
and
asked
for
comments
and
we've
gotten
comments
on
things
generally
that
aren't
really
related
to
the
action
plan,
but
that's
okay.
We
should
we
send
them
to
hud
anyway,
because
it
shows
we've
got.
We've
engaged
our
public,
but
we
don't
get
a
whole
lot
of
public
input
at
this
stage.
Remember
we
did
a
lot
of
getting
public
input
to
develop
the
consolidated
plan,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
we
just
don't
get
a
whole
lot
of
public
input,
yeah.
E
Okay
at
this
stage-
and
I
think
maybe
it's
partly
because
we
do
get
public
because
remember
when
we
allocate
additional
funding
like
when
the
public
services
is
allocated
by
the
social
services
committee
that
will
go
through
the
committee-
it
will
go
through
the
human
services
committee
and
then
it
will
go
to
council,
and
so
if
we
get
commented
that
at
those
we
tend
to
give
that
to
hud,
if
it's
in
advance,
you
know
it's.
So
we
certainly
try
to
get
input
but
yeah.
We
don't
always
right.
E
Okay,
this
is
not
uncommon
for
other
grantees
either.
You
know
people
are
just
kind
of
like
the
format
of
the
plans.
I
don't
consider
user-friendly
right.
It
doesn't
really
inform
you
and
our
hud
reps.
Don't
even
look
at
the
written
up
plan.
They
look
at
the
tables
in
idis
in
doing
their
net.
It's
really
so.
I
think
that
the
the
format
does
not
facilitate
public
input,
but
we
didn't
create
the
format.
E
E
Yeah,
I
think
we
can
move
on.
We
don't
really.
You
know
we
really.
We
didn't.
We
wanted
to
go,
do
the
overview.
We
don't
really.
We
will
have
people
like
laura
biggs
at
the
or
somebody
from
her
team,
and
we
will
have
people
at
the
december
meeting
to
answer
any
questions.
We
can
certainly
do
some
top
line
questions,
but
you
know-
or
if
you
even
just
want
explanation
of
like
well,
what
is
this
and
why
do
we?
Do
it
we'll
be
happy
to
do
that?
H
E
E
E
E
Which
is
right
there
that
in
our
last
con
plan
had
a
low
mod
population
of
11.9
percent
and
then
it
dramatically
popped
up
to
over
61
and
before
that
it
had
been
like
52
in
the
period
before
remember.
This
is
american
community
survey
data
very
small
sampling?
That
is
then
projected.
So
I
think
a
census
tract
is
probably
pretty
accurate
overall.
E
But
when
you
get
down
to
the
block
group
levels,
you
can
get
some
real
anomalies,
but
still
we're
stuck
with
what
hud
says
are
areas
that
are
eligible
and
when
we
enter
data
into
idis,
it's
geocoded,
and
so
they
look
at
it
and
if
it
is
not
eligible,
then
we
can't
fund
it.
Unless
we
have
done
a
survey
that
we
have
done
and
to
do
a
survey,
you
have
to
develop
your
survey,
you
have
to
get
it
approved
by
hud.
E
You
have
to
send
them
the
results
and
then,
if
they
approve
it,
then
you
can
use
that
survey
to
for
a
lo
mod
area
benefit.
But
so
we
look
for,
but
still
the
areas
where
you're
seeing
that
are
showing
up
as
yellow
are
areas
that
generally
have
significant
lower
income
populations.
So
historically,
because
alley
pavings
has
been
done
through
this
50-50
alleys,
weren't
being
paved
in
the
cdbg
target
areas
or
in
the
lower
income
areas,
because
people
couldn't
afford
that
kind
of
a
special
assessment.
E
And
so
it
really
is
some
of
our
early
equity
work
in
trying
to
get
equitable
public
improvements.
Infrastructure
improvements
to
areas
where
the
people
can't
afford
to
put
in
50
of
the
cost
of
something
like
this.
So
I
think
that's
and
also
alley
paving
is
not
something
you
can
use
motor
fuel
tax
funding
for
which
is
what
we
use
for
most
of
our
road
resurfacing
and
stuff
like
that.
So
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
do
a
lot
of
alley
paving
and
alley
paving
not
only
makes
improves
people's.
E
You
know
it's
easier
for
the
garbage
trucks,
it's
easier
for
emergency
vehicles
if
they
have
to
get
back
there
along
with
the
alley.
Paving
is
drainage
and,
as
you
know,
we
are
having
more
and
more
problems
with
drainage
and
flooding,
and
things
like
that.
So
this
is
really,
I
think,
a
very
important
thing
and
that's
why
we
continue
to
bring
new
alley
pavings
as
part
of
and
they
tend
to
be
expensive.
E
No
cdbg
target
area
doesn't
work
for
sidewalks,
it's
still
the
other
map
on
an
area
basis.
Oh
sorry,
yeah.
The
only
thing
that
uses
the
cdbg
target
area
is
the
code
enforcement
program,
but
so
you
can
see
how
so
again,
you
know
areas
like
along
foster
and
along
simpson
that
have
broken
up
at
sidewalk
and
are
areas
that
we
are
talking
about
replacing
sidewalks.
Now.
E
One
of
the
things
that
is
one
of
these
applications
is
a
replacing
portions
of
sidewalk,
not
not
whole
stretches,
but
just
you
know
more,
like
the
50
50
sidewalk
program
that
we've
had
in
the
past
is
where
we
can
just
replace
individual
squares
or
or
numbers
of
squares.
This
is
the
first
time
that
public
works
has
proposed
doing
part
of
that
program
using
cdpg
in
eligible
areas.
E
So
that
will
be
something
that
we
want
to
have
lara
here,
so
that
you
can
ask
questions
and
understand
how
that
changes
is
being
recommended,
because
that
is
a
different.
That
is
a
change
from
prior
years.
We
have
not
done
any
kind
of
sidewalk
replacement
on
a
individual
sort
of
square
squares
of
it.
E
E
E
E
E
Davis-Bacon
wages
they
are
exempt
from
davis-bacon
wages,
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
need
to
consider
is
using
our
cdbg
for
capital
projects
that
are
in,
for
you
know,
because
anything
the
city
does
is
subject
to
prevailing
wage,
no
matter
what,
because
that's
a
state
requirement,
and
so
if
we
can
help
our
small,
our
non-profits
with
non-cdbg
but
federal
money
that
doesn't
require
that
davis-bacon
compliance.
It's
it.
Isn't
that
big,
a
change
in
cost
if
it's
things
like
electrical
and
plumbing
work,
because
that
is
all
licensed.
E
B
E
Union
contracts
are
not
going
to
take
on
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
tiny
little
rehab.
We
have
been
working
with
one
of
the
child
care
centers
for
three
years
to
try
to
get
their
lead
water
line
replacement,
replaced.
They
actually
had
two
water
lines
which
we
don't
know
quite
why
they
did,
but
it
was
just
a
weird
thing
about
the
build
building
was
built,
but
one
of
them
is
a
lead
line
and
they
had
higher
than
dcfs
allowed
lead
in
their
water.
E
When
it
was
tested,
it
was
below
the
five
whatever
the
measurement
is
for
lead,
but
it
was
dcfs
wants
lower,
and
you
know
between
their
two
weeks,
where
they
have
shut
down,
where
they
do
cleaning
and
projects
like
that
and
trying
to
deal
with
getting
a
contractor.
Who
will
actually
do
a
really
deep
water
line?
E
E
If
we
look
at
how
we
use
our
different
federal
funds
based
on
the
projects
that
can
be
easily
done
in
them
and,
of
course,
the
area
we're
talking
about
1892
and
then
hopefully,
if
I
can
get
it
qualified,
the
part
of
8102
in
south
evanston
are
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about
for
the
equitable
and
inclusive
recovery,
the
geographic
focus,
which
also
puts
more
focus
on
infrastructure
and
capital
projects.
On
behalf
of
those
neighborhoods,
so
a
little
bit
long-winded.
D
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
say-
and
laura
may
have
gotten
into
this,
but
if
you
want
to
the
the
gap
in
field
request
for
funding
is
for
an
area.
If
you,
if
you
type
in
1655,
foster
street,
which
is
address
of
fleetwood
into
google,
you
can
pull
up
a
street
view
and
you'll
see
it's
it's
basically
right
across
the
street
from
fleetwood's
renaissance
center,
the
sidewalk
gap
starts
at
dewey
goes
east.
The
way
it's
explained,
I
think
in
what
we
have
it
it.
D
It
appears
as
though
the
gap
is
between
dewey
and
jackson,
and
it's
actually
a
much
shorter
areas.
It's
it
goes
from
dewey
to
the
alley,
you'll
see
and
then
there's
a
sidewalk
if
we
keep
going
back
east.
That
starts
up
again
right
in
front
of
the
emerson
square
development,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
until
just
before
a
parking
lot,
that's
that's
used
to.
I
think
volkswagen
dealership
owns
it
and
then
that
there's
a
gap
there
between
that
parking
lot
and
jackson.
A
G
E
E
E
E
Inspectors
refer
people
to
the
program
if
they
believe
that
they
could
be
eligible.
Our
water
and
sewer
department.
People
refer
people
to
us
sewer
laterals
are
a
real
problem
collapse,
sewer
laterals,
we've
done
a
remarkable
number
of
collapse,
sewer
laterals
very
important
too,
because
it
makes
if
the
sewer
lateral
is
completely
collapsed.
It
makes
the
house
unlivable
and
it
also
when
they
collapse.
E
E
E
But
our
cdbg
program
can
go
up
to
50
000
for
a
single
family
home
and
then
for
in
multifamily.
It's
20,
000
per
unit
is,
is
our
and
there
was
one
time
we
actually
had
a
situation
where
we
were
trying
to
do
some
structural
repair
on
a
house.
That
literally
was
parts
of
it
were
sinking
and
it
had
to
be.
They
had
to
drive
down
those
pylon
things
and
jack
it
up,
and
we
had
to
come
to
the
committee
and
say
hey.
We
need
to
have
your
agreement
to.
E
That
is
a
what
we
consider
a
life
safety
type
of
need,
like
collab,
sewer,
laterals,
failing
roofs,
anything
that
is
basically
the
envelope
of
the
house
or
a
major
system
that
makes
it
run
or
not
run.
We
prioritize
over
things
that
are,
in
some
cases
important,
but
not
quite
as
critical.
I
mean
we've
done
some
major
kitchen
redos
for
people
who
just
have
really
old.
E
Nothing's
been
upgraded
and
when
we
do
that
we
put
in
energy
efficient
appliances,
one
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
is:
should
we
start
moving
to
trying
to
get
houses
to
all
electric?
We
aren't
ready
to
make
that
jump
just
yet
because
we
don't
have
the
funding
to
do
it,
but
that's
something
we
want
to
talk
about
when
we
talk
about
trying
to
do
in
essence,
help
implement
the
climate
action
and
resilience
plan.
H
E
E
E
E
This
has
been
very
valuable
as
a
way
of
helping
two
flats,
it's
whether
they're,
both
rental
or
whether
it's
an
owner-occupied
rental
owner
occupied
and
renting
the
sac
right
right.
It
allows
us
the
opportunity
to
say
if
the
owner
occupant
is
eligible,
they
can
rent
their
other
unit
at
whatever
they
can
get
for
it,
which
can
help
them
afford
their
own
property,
because
that
can
be
a
challenge.
You
know
the
taxes
and
everything
like
that
so-
and
this
is
all.
E
E
You
can
fix
some
stuff,
but
you
don't
have
to
fix
everything.
Necessarily
I
mean
we
don't
do
something
where
we
would
leave
anybody
with
a
life
safety
violation
and
only
fix
one
thing.
So
we
have
our
own
standard,
which
is
if
we
we
want
to
make
the
house
livable
we're,
not
gonna.
You
know
like
oh,
like
we'll
give
you
a
new
front
step,
but
the
you
know,
steps
to
your
second
floor
are
falling
apart,
we're
going
to
leave
those
the
way
they
are.
E
H
H
And
is
there
a
way
one,
I'm
sort
of
obsessed
with
this
idea
of
trying
not
to
do
the
rehab
for
someone
who
is
asset
rich
and
just
as
being
cheap
right?
So
is
there
a
way
for
the
city
to
give
preferential
treatment
based
on
the
I'm?
Just
thinking
of
a
scenario
of
someone
who
owns
multiple
properties
in
low-income
communities
and
the
properties
are
small,
so
they
qualify,
but
the
actual
owner
owns
multiple
properties
and
it's
just
not
taking
good
care
of
them.
E
E
E
E
But
we
don't
do
that
because
with
cdbg,
the
regulations
are
so
crazy
and
the
you
know
lead-based
paint,
requirements
and
stuff
like
that
is
that
sepa
community
partners
for
affordable
housing
manages
the
construction
projects,
so
they
function
as
a
construction
manager.
This
is
very
valuable
for
our,
especially
our
older
homeowners,
who
don't
have
the
capacity
to
write
a
scope
of
work
totally,
is
and
and
get
three
comparable
bids
and
make
sure
they've
done
the
lead-based
paint,
testing
and
all
the
stuff
that
goes
along
with
hud
funding.
E
I
remember
I
can't
remember
which
one
of
our
legal
staff
came
in
at
one
point
and
said:
why
on
earth
does
the
city
actually
have
the
rehab
do
the
management
of
this
stuff,
because
god,
the
liability
to
the
city,
I'm
like
well
the
liability
of
the
city?
If
we
don't
do
it,
is
we
give
the
money
back
the
hud,
you
know
if
it
you
know
so
it's
it
really.
Is
it's
really
just
by
its
nature,
it
ends
up
being
targeted
at
very
small.
H
G
Hold
on,
I
actually
have
two
one
was
triggered
by
something
more
in
common.
That's
sarah
made-
and
I
think,
lauren
kind
of
answered
my
my
main
question,
which
was
that
in
theory
we
could
actually
be
financing
a
slum
landlord.
No,
I'm
not
implying
that
our
wonderful
city
has
long
landers
in
it,
but
there
is
a
possibility
that
we
will
be
financing
a
slum
landlord
on
repairs
to
a
building
instead
of
citing
that
owner
to
make
the
repairs
on
his
or
her
own
yeah.
D
G
That
is
something
that
it
was
also
in
my
mind,
lauren,
because
I
I
mean
it's
a
risk
and
what
is
the
the
latitude
that
this
committee
has
to
deny
a
project
like
that
or
to
not
approve
it
or
to
look
for
different
options?
So
that's
my
number
one
question,
but
the
other
question
came
by
a
comment
you
made
sir,
and
you,
you
mentioned
a
value,
a
cap
on
on
the
value
of
the
property
that
we
can
give
some
of
that
rehab
money.
And
how
is
what
are
the
guidelines
for
that
cap?
G
E
E
E
H
E
Just
as
we
you
know,
I
mean
sometimes
it's
best
just
to
use
an
existing
system
that
is
used
by
lots
of
people
rather
than
do
your
own
system
yeah
and
there's
nothing
that
says
we
have
to
do
rehab.
For
a
I
mean,
even
if
a
landlord
or
property
owner
applies
for
assistance,
we
can
deny
them
for
reasons.
You
know
I
mean
if,
if
we're
just
saying
you
know
with.
E
E
Not
managing
well,
this
landlord
took
a
number
of
section,
8
tenants,
you
know
housing,
choice,
vouchers
and
at
one
point,
the
housing
authority
did
an
inspection
and
said
they
would
not
allow
any
more
voucher
holders
to
be
in
that
property.
The
property
was
in
disrepair,
the
superintendent,
the
property
superintendent
was
living
in
the
laundry
room
and
using
a
bucket
and
pouring
it
down
this
sewer
outside.
This
was
really
quite
a
disgusting
thing.
E
You
know
their
their
their
on
their
property
and
this
would
have
put
because
we
do
these
as
loans,
not
as
as
grants,
and
so
this
property,
if
it
were
given
a
cdbg
loan,
even
at
the
20
000
per
unit,
would
have
been
well
over
the
loan
to
value
ratio.
That
was
our
maximum,
and
so
that
was
the
basis
that
we
denied
it
on,
and
this
property
owner
actually
filed
a
complaint
with
hud
that
we
weren't
helping
this.
You
know
repair
this
property
and
we
had
a
an
investigation.
E
We
had
herb
ziggledorf
come
and
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
with
us
and
go
through
everything
and
said
nope.
You
don't
have
to
fund
this
you're,
absolutely
fine!
So
but
that's
the
only
time
in
my
history
here
that
we've
ever
had
a
property
owner
who
we
really
were
like.
We
don't
want
to
help
this
person
apply
so.
H
E
That
point
they
are
loans
as
of
right
now:
zero
percentage
or
they're
zero
percent
interest,
and
they
are
generally
deferred,
in
other
words,
yeah.
They
only
pay
when
there's
a
property
transfer
or
sale.
We
actually
are
working
with
sepa
to
figure
out
if
we
can
go
to
forgivable
loans
on
all
of
them,
because
that's
what
we
would
like
to
do,
we
would
rather
help
our
lower
income.
People
build
equity,
but
one
of
the
challenges
is
remember.
We
said
we
have
that
102
500
in
program
income.
B
E
That's
that
program
income
is
loan
payments
and
the
loan
payments
go
back
into
the
program.
We
have
what
is
known
as
a
revolving
loan,
and
so
we
have
to
figure
out
if
we
can
get
more
consistent
sources
to
be
able
to
do
that.
We've
talked
about
doing
it
tiered,
so
maybe
saying,
if
somebody's
below
50
of
the
area
median,
it
would
be
a
grant
or
it
would
probably
be
done
as
a
forgivable
loan,
just
because,
that's
generally
so
we
we
need
to
work
on
that,
but
we're
just
not
there
yet.
G
E
Have
a
forgiveness
right,
it's
a
forgivable
loan
over
ten
years,
and
actually,
if
you
look
at
that
at
the
budget
in
this
application,
you
will
see
funding
sources
in
there,
and
so
we
have
cdbg
entitlement.
So
this
is
page,
I
don't
know
what
page
of
the
packet,
but
the
cdbg
entitlement
we're
asking
for
is
150
000..
E
We
have
124
000
and
some
odd
change
of
revolving
loan
income.
That
was
that
we
received
in
2020
that
we
haven't
spent
because
we
haven't
caught
up
with
our.
You
know,
caught
the
program
up
we're
not
going
through
as
much
money
and
then
you
can
see
the
hundred
and
two
thousand
five
hundred.
That
is
what
we've
received
so
far
in
2021.,
and
then
you
see
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand,
which
is
ida
single
family
rehab,
grant.
E
E
E
E
E
How
there's
nothing
wrong
with
the
house?
That's
in
the
trust,
if
you
look
at
who
the
beneficiary
of
the
trust
is
so
if
somebody
has
put
their
house
in
a
trust
for
estate
planning
reasons
so
that
they
don't
have
to
go
through,
you
know
the
their
their
heirs.
Don't
have
to
go
through
probate
and
stuff
like
that,
but
they
are
the
clear
beneficiaries
and
it's
you
know,
then
we
don't
have
any
problem
with
doing
a
rehab
on
a
house.
That's
in
a
trust,
but
ida
will
not
do
that.
E
I
actually
see
it
as
when
we
took
that
out
is
as
as
a
barrier
to
opportunity
for
lower
income
people
and
that
also
really
affected.
In
many
cases
are
people
of
color
who
are
more
likely
to?
They
actually
are
the
majority
of
our
rehab
clients,
because
we're
basically
saying
if
you're
ever
going
to
need
help
from
our
program.
You
can't
use
estate
planning
project
processes
that
everybody
else
uses
that
help
preserve
their
assets
and
pass
them
on
to
their
heirs,
which
is
really
discriminatory.
E
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
systemic
inequity.
I
should
say-
and
so
we
took
that
out
of
our
program,
but
it
had
been
in
there
for
years,
so
they're
just
weird
things
in
programs
that
who
knows
why
it
was
put
in
there
way
back
when
we've
had
a
housing
rehab
program
since
1975,
and
I
got
to
tell
you
one
of
the
other
reasons
I
would
rather
go
to
forgivable
loans.
A
But-
and
I'm
feeling
you
know
as
we,
because
I
think
this
committee
is
going
to
be-
have
the
challenge
of
just
you-
know,
helping
with
our
funds
for
affordable
housing
and
developing
a
plan
and
reaching
residents
who
need
that
kind
of
help.
So
we're
going
to
be
digging
ever
deeper
into
the
intricacies
of
all
of
this
now.
Does
anybody
have
another
any
other
questions
for
this
evening,
because
we
certainly
will
have
a
chance
again
next
month.
C
Okay,
I
I
do
have
one
question:
if
no
other
committee
members
have
a
question:
okay,
we
have
sue
lowell
back
from
the
public.
That
asked
a
question
regarding
the
slide.
We
were
just
showing
she
was
asking:
what
is
the
current
demand
for
the
property
maintenance
program
which
I'm
assuming
that's
housing
rehab?
Is
there
a
wait
list?
C
E
E
Chris
renard,
who
manages
that
actually
went
through
and
we'd,
had
some
people
on
for
a
really
long
time
and
we
actually
had
some
people
who
came
up
as
eligible
like
you're
next
on
the
list
last
year,
and
they
were
like
come
back
to
me
later.
You
know
so.
We've
had
some
really
really.
It's
been
a
very
strange
last.
You
know
year
and
a
half
and
our
program.
E
We
were
basically
doing
no
rehabs
for
a
significant
part
of
2020
and
our
rehab
specialist
retired
in
at
the
beginning
or
end
of
april.
I
can't
even
remember,
and
so
for
a
short
period
of
time.
We
had
nobody,
and
then
we
talked
him
into
coming
back
on
a
part-time
basis.
So
2020
was
really
very
low
level
of
activity
on
rehab
we
in
2021
we
didn't
actually
get
our
agreement
with
cipa
until
I
think
it
was
march
and
again
one
of
the
things
that's
happened
to
virtually
every
cdbg
community.
E
I've
heard
of
that's
got
a
rehab
program,
especially
ones
that
work
with
an
with
an
organization
like
cepa
that
does
their
rehab
forum.
Many
of
those
organizations
have
also
been
doing
things
like
doing
a
lot
of
the
rental
assistance
programs,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
all
of
our
housing
providers
who
are
in
this
kind
of
work
have
been
fragmented
and
not
necessarily
focusing
as
much
on
the
rehabs
as
they
had
been
when
it
was
a
little
less
other
stuff
going
on.
E
But
we
expect
to
get
our
program
up
and
you
know
to
a
much
robust,
more
much
more
robust
level,
sipa
recently
hired
another
construction
management
person.
So
that
will
allow
us
to
increase
our
our
output
on
this,
because
we
want
to
see
it
back
up
to
higher
levels
than
it's
been
in
the
last
year.
Yeah
definitely.
A
Well
then,
I'm
we
have
one
other
business
item
for
this
evening,
which
is
the
election
of
a
vice
chair.
We
did
get
one
a
nomination
and
the
nominee
has
indicated
a
willingness
to
serve
as
vice
chair,
but
before
we
take
a
vote
I'll
open
up
to
the
floor,
if
there
are
any
nominations
at
this
11th
hour
or
otherwise,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to.
B
H
G
C
C
She
commented
in
the
forum
that
she
wanted
to
ask
whether
can
any
cdbg
inspection
be
zoomed
and
grouped
to
reduce
costs.
So
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
eventually
follow
up
to
see
what
specific
questions
she
wanted
to
ask
and
I
can
follow
up
and
share
with
the
rest
of
the
group.
If
I
can
get
hold
of
her
great
and
then
as
far
as
public
comment,
I
don't
have
anybody
else
signed
up.
A
A
Right,
okay!
Well,
then,
I
think
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
other
business
to
come
before
the
committee,
so
I
will
declare
us
adjourned
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
reading
to
do
before
our
meeting
next
month,
but
we
will
be
prepared-
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
everybody
in
december-
that's
december
14th.