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Okay,
this
is
the
april
8th,
2020,
2021,
meeting
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission
and
we
have
a
quorum
tonight.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
to
is
there
a
motion
to
approve.
D
B
B
B
So
we
have
several
items
of
new
business.
The
first
one
is
the
city's
residential
landlord
tenant
ordinance
proposed
modifications
to
incorporate
some
aspects
of
a
new
ordinance
in
cook
county
that
will
take
effect
on
june
1st,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
guests
here
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
who
were
closely
involved
in
the
development
of
these
changes.
The
first
is
brian
george,
from
the
city's
legal
team,
who
I
see
is
on
the
call,
but
we
can't
yet
see,
and
then
michelle
gilbert
is
also
on.
B
The
call
from
the
lawyers
committee
for
better
housing
looks
like
there's
been
a
lot
of
very
good
work
done
to
make
these
amendments
to
evanston's
ordinance
would
either
one
of
you
like
to
talk
briefly
about
the
changes.
I
know
they're
summarized
very
nicely
in
the
package,
looks
like
there
are
eight
specific
changes
that
are
being
proposed
there
we
go.
F
Chairman,
if
maybe
we
could
have
megan
kind
of
walk
everybody
through
it,
because
one
of
the
things
is.
F
If
we
have
anyone
who
is
on
in
the
audience
who
may
just
be
listening
and
not
be
able
to
see,
then
we
can
just
sort
of
say
what
the
key
points
are
and
then,
obviously,
if
any
of
you
have
any
questions
or
or
want
to
know
more
about
it,
michelle
has
been
very
involved
in
the
cook
county
ordinance,
development
of
spokane
and
also
from
her
work
in
legal
legal
work
in
this
field
has
a
great
deal
of
knowledge
about
the
biggest
challenges
we
see
or
that
they're
running
into
both
in
chicago
and
evanston.
G
Yes,
hi
everybody
so
tonight
on
the
agenda.
We
have
the
rlc,
the
residential
landlord
tenant
ordinance
and
we're
also
going
to
be
talking
about
changes
as
a
result
of
that
to
the
model
lease
and
incorporating
the
nuisance
premises
and
the
just
housing
amendment
that
cook
county
also
implemented
earlier
this
year.
G
So
as
far
as
the
changes
regarding
the
residential
landlord
and
tenant
ordinance,
which
I'll
refer
to
as
our
lto
during
this
call,
this
on
the
screen
they
have
right
now
are
the
summary
of
the
changes
that
we've
been
working
on
with
input
from
brian
georgian
legal
and
michelle
from
lcbh.
G
Currently,
our
rlto
does
not
have
any
limitation
on
moving
fees
and
the
cook
county
one
is
proposing
sorry,
the
proposed
provision
that
we
were
suggesting
here
is
to
define,
redefine
moving
fee
and
make
sure
that
there's
some
limitations
so
they're
related
to
reasonable
expense.
G
Now
some
of
the
purpose
provision
that
we're
suggesting
here
are
most
of
them
are
meant
to
be
able
to
align
with
the
cook
county
changes
that
were
passed
in
january
of
this
year
and
are
going
to
be
in
place
in
june,
we've
also
looked
at
chicago
rlto,
as
well
as
mon
prospect
as
a
way
to
make
comparison,
because
evanston
chicago
and
mount
prospect
are
the
three
cities
that
have
their
own
ordinances.
G
Everybody
else
is
under
the
cook
county
one.
So
that's
the
reason
why
we're
suggesting
to
make
changes
to
the
rltos
context,
so
limitation
on
moving
fees
is
one
of
them
correlated
to
that
we're.
Also
looking
at
security
deposit
that
have
been
used,
which
is
the
third
line
here.
G
They've
been
used
kind
of
in
place
of
moving
fees
in
some
cases,
so
there's
some
provisions
here
to
make
sure
that
security
deposits
are
not
renamed
to
avoid
the
requirements
around
limitation
on
movement
fees
and
then
as
a
counterpart,
to
that
we're
also
suggesting
doing
away
with
the
interest
on
security
deposit,
which
has
been
a
burden
on
landlords,
because
it's
quite
expensive.
G
The
interest
rates
is
really
really
minimal
and
that's
one
of
the
cumbersome
part
that
has
pushed
landlord
to
replace
security
deposit
with
moving
fees,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
deal
with
all
that
interest
and
scoring
that
so
that's
kind
of
a
way
to
balance
the
change
and
make
sure
that
both
landlord
and
tenants
are
protected.
G
There
there's
on
the
second
line
here
limitation
on
like
late
fees
right
now,
there's
no
limitation
on
let
late
fees
in
the
evanston
ordinance
we're
looking
at
matching
the
cook
county
rlto
here
to
make
sure
that
they
are
limited
to
ten
dollars
on
a
thousand
dollars,
monthly
rent
and
then
five
percent
on
amount
over
that
and
that's
again
allowing
for
consistency
and
making
sure
everything
is
aligned
when
it
can
be
and
when
it's
reasonable
with
cook
county
third
item
would
be
making
sure
there
are
some
disclosure
around
utility
costs
we
can,
which
can
be
a
consequent
cost
for
attendance
and
could
be
helpful
as
well
as
foreclosure.
G
It
can
make
a
big
difference
for
tenants.
So
that's
one
of
the
item
that
is
currently
not
included
in
our
rlto
that
we're
looking
to
add
to
match
cook
counties.
F
G
Yeah
and
then
again,
if
you
can
scroll
down
a
little
bit
so
next
section
section
is
around
notices.
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
variation
and
divide
between
notices
on
some
of
our
notices.
We
have
30
days
and
then
a
special
exemption
of
48
hours
for
units
that
are
for
buildings
that
are
three
or
less
unit,
so
it's
either
30
days
or
48
hours.
G
48
hours
is
often
too
short
for
tenants
to
really
effective
cure,
and
then
the
30
days
is
quite
long
when
there's
an
issue
so
by
moving
it
to
10
days.
For
both
cases,
that's
a
making
is
consistent
with
chicago
and
cook
county,
but
it's
also
kind
of
making
it
a
little
bit
more
practical.
G
There
there's
similarly
there's
a
10-day
period
to
cure
for
non-payment
of
rent,
but
we
don't
have
anything
related
to
a
right
to
pay
to
stay
so
we're
suggesting
adding
that
adding
a
one-time
right
to
pay
so
that
low-income
tenants
have
ability
to
potentially
access
rental
assistance
and
can
make
payment
to
be
able
to
stay
in
place
and
that's,
including
included
in
the
chicago
and
cook
county
rlt.
F
And
a
quick
note,
both
chicago
and
cook
county,
have
a
five-day
notice
and
we've
always
had
a
10-day
notice
and
we
do
not
believe
we
should
shorten
that.
So
there
are
certain
things
that
we
think
we
should
keep
from
our
ordinance
already.
But
then
there
are
other
things
that
really
we
think
consistency
can
be
helpful.
G
The
second,
the
second
to
last
one
is
regarding
the
non-re
renewal
notice.
Right
now,
we
currently
have
30
day
notice,
which
is
quite
short
for
tenants
that
have
lived
in
property
for
a
long
period,
especially
so.
G
What
we're
suggesting
is
to
increase
it
to
60
days
for
tenants
that
have
lived
in
their
place
for
one
to
three
years
and
then
120
days
for
tenants
that
have
been
there
more
than
three
years,
which
would
provide
them
more
time,
especially
if
their
families
senior
have
some
challenges,
finding
other
housing
that
gives
them
enough
notice
and
then
finally,
the
last
provision
is
specifically
around
providing
an
attached
summary.
That's
something
that
cook
county
is
going
to
be
doing
and
currently
we're
suggesting
what
we're
not
suggesting.
G
We
are
asking
that
the
ordinance
is
included
with
the
lease
it's
a
lot
of
jargon
and
legal
language.
That
may
not
be
read
by
everybody.
So
having
a
summary,
that's
in
plain
language
that
the
tenant
and
the
landlord
can
really
understand,
read
and
approve
would
benefit
both
sides.
We
believe
and
that's
something
that
the
city
would
draft
to
make
sure
that
the
language
is
clear
and
understandable.
G
So
that's
at
a
very
high
level.
The
changes
we're
suggesting
to
be
able
to
match
the
cook
county
rlto
or
at
least
a
line
on
some
cases.
When
there's
certain
things
we
just
didn't
have
that
we
think
we
should
match
and
then
additional
to
that,
once
we
have
the
final
kind
of
shape
of
what
our
rlto
changes
are
going
to
be.
There
are
a
few
other
things
that
we
want
to
consider.
We
need
to
update
the
model
lease
to
make
sure
that
those
changes
are
reflected.
G
There's
also
been
some
ordinances
that
have
been
in
place
that
have
not
been
included
in
the
model
lease
that
we
would
like
to
consider
as
well,
one
of
them
being
the
nuisance
premises,
and
then
the
other
item
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
can
include
and
make
sure
it's
communicated
on-
is
the
cook
county,
just
housing,
amendment
and
megan.
If
you
want
to
show
that
so
that's
an
amendment
that
was
passed
last
year,
I
believe
yes
well
april
25
2019,
and
it's
really
focusing
on
housing
discrimination,
discrimination
based
on
criminal
history.
G
It's
around
making
sure
that
the
person
asking
applying
for
housing
doesn't
get
denied
specifically
for
based
on
their
criminal
conviction.
They
have
to
be
able
to
process
their
application
and
process
everything
before
they
run
any
kind
of
background
check,
and
that's
an
amendment.
That's
not
always
very
known.
It's
recent,
so
one
thing
we'd
like
to
do
is
make
sure
that
it's
included
in
the
rlto
or
the
model
lease
and
make
sure
that
there's
communication
around
this.
So
everybody
is
aware
of
it.
A
F
Thing
with
the
just
housing
amendment
we
are
recommending
that
we
put
that
officially
in
our
human
rights
ordinance
as
well,
but
the
problem
with
just
having
it
in
that
ordinance
is
nobody
hears
about
it
and
I
don't
feel
and
michelle.
Maybe
you
can
give
any
information
that
if
there's
been
any
real
training
or
anything
about
this
in
chicago
or
anywhere
else,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
it.
F
So
I
I
think
that
I
know
that
some
of
the
larger
landlords
are
aware
of
it
and
I
believe
that
most
of
the
affordable
housing
providers
are
aware
of
it
and
do
follow
it.
But
that's
not
where
the
problem
comes
in
and
it's
really
hard
for
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
different
landlords
and
it's
really
hard
for
them
to
find
this
information
and
and
really
learn
about
how
to
comply
with
it
and
the
requirements
and
and
angel
schneer.
Who
is
our
senior
property
standards
inspector?
F
Our
managing
inspector
is
on
to
on
our
call
tonight
too,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
coordinate
things
like
this
kind
of
information
and
get
back
to
doing
our
landlord.
Our
rent
for
the
rent
program,
which
is
to
educate
landlords
on
various
things
that
are
helpful
to
them.
F
F
So
that's
something
that
we
believe
we
have
to
put
together
a
a
more
robust
educational
program
angel
and
I
were
on
a
were
at
a
at
a
fifth
ward
meeting
at
alderman
simmons's
request,
because
there
were
people
who
were
saying
well,
why
do
I
get
inspected?
So
why
do
my
units
get
inspected
so
often?
F
And
in
many
cases
it
was
because
they
are
taking
housing,
choice,
voucher,
tenants
or
tenants
with
other
subsidies,
and
one
of
the
annoying
things
is
each
one
of
those
programs
requires
a
inspection
every
time
and
some
of
them
even
require
an
inspection
every
year
that
the
tenant
is
in
there.
F
Now
I've
tried
talking
to
hud
and
saying
you
know
if
we've
just
inspected,
if
our
routine
inspection
has
happened
within
a
year
and
the
unit
has
come
up
clean
and
everything's
fine
can't
we
just
use
that
and
so
far
the
answer
is
no,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
also
want
to
see.
If
we
can
advocate
for
with
the
funders,
is
there
any
way
we
can
reduce
the
this
constant?
F
You
know
inspections
when
we
have
landlords
that
are
already
complying,
so
you
know,
and
and
and
we
have
a
very
effective
process
for
tenants
to
be
able
to
contact
311
to
file
a
request
for
a
complaint
inspection
if
something
is
is
not
being
taken
care
of,
and
you
know
if
we
could
reduce
the
burden
and
even
just
things
like
I
gotta
tell
you
when
you're
told
that,
even
when
you're
giving
rent
assistance
to
people
using
our
cdbg
cv
money,
if
you
give
them
more
than
three
months,
you
have
to
do
a
safety
inspection
to
make
sure
there's
no
peeling
lead
paint.
F
Well,
these
are,
these
are
units
that
have
people
living
in
them,
and
you
know
that
the
pandemic
is
still
going
on
and
we
don't
really
want
to
we're
not
going
to
do
in-person
inspections.
So
then
the
landlord
or
the
tenant
has
to
go
in
and
wave
a
cell
phone
around
and
try
to.
Let
us
look
at
you
know
things
for
for
safety,
and
you
know,
I
think
sometimes
some
of
these
compliance
things
get
over
the
top
and
if
we
could
balance
them
out
better
at
some
point,
that
would
be
wonderful.
F
I'm
not
optimistic
it'll
be
in
the
short
term,
but
you
know
it's
something
we
could
monique
is
smiling.
I
think
she
knows
the
same
problem,
but
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
would
like
to
work.
You
know
it's
sort
of
like
another
thing
that
we
do
to
landlords
is
landlords
that
have
properties
that
have
layered
funding.
F
Every
single
one
of
the
funders
has
its
own
compliance
pro
process
and
that's
another
way
we
really
burden
employ.
You
know
we
put
burdens
on
property
owners
who
are
housing.
People
who
need
affordable,
housing
plus
hud
says
it's
perfectly.
Okay
for
us
to
charge
them
a
fee,
so
we
can
monitor
them
and
so
far
evanston
has
said
we're
not
going
to
do
that
too,
because
that
really
seems
unfair.
F
But
but
hud
is
saying
that
so
we
can
so
we
will
do
it,
and
so
it's
kind
of
counterproductive
in
my
view,
but
these
are
the
types
of
things
we're
trying
to
maybe
make
some
progress
over
time
to
help
this
burdensome
he's.
B
That
burden
yeah,
yes
yeah,
that
is
a
challenge
back
on
the
city's
human
rights
ordinance.
Is
there
any
thought
given
to
the
idea
of
having
that
included
in
the
model
lease
as
a
way
of
communicating
the
existence
of
this
to
both
landlords
and
tenants.
F
I
think
we
can
certainly
look
at
something
like
that.
You
know
we
could
reference
that
they
have
to
make
sure
that
they
yeah,
you
know,
follow
all
you
know,
respect
all
or
or
we
could
say
that
the
model
east
of
the
landlord
by
using
that
is
com
confirming
that
they
are
complying
with
all
requirements
of
the
our
human
rights
ordinance,
including
the
just
housing
clause,
or
something
like
that,
and
that
might
be
a
really
good
way
to
incorporate
that.
Thank
you.
Larry.
B
It
and
I
think,
calling
out
exactly
what
the
just
human
rights
clause
refers
to
would
help
to
clarify
exactly
right,
who
that's
designed
to
protect
human
human
rights
ordinance
by
itself
could
apply
quite
broadly,
but
that's
focused
on
a
particularly
vulnerable
group.
C
That
I'll
I'll
ask
a
question.
I
guess
I'm!
I
just
need
a
little
more
understanding
about
the
it's
one.
Two
three,
four!
That's
the
sixth
item
about
the
one-time
right
to
pay
and
stay.
C
C
So
you
might.
I
guess
if,
if
somebody
could
sort
of
explain
that
whole
provision
in
in
regular
english,
that
would
be
helpful.
H
Thank
you
and
I'm
glad
to
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
with
your
commission
meeting
tonight
so
and
I
I
think
it
was
sarah
who
mentioned.
I
can't
remember
that,
generally
in
illinois,
tenants
have
a
five-day
period
to
pay
any
rent
that
is
late
during
the
five-day
period.
The
landlord
must
accept
it
and
not
go
forward
with
an
eviction.
Action
and
evanston
is
unique
in
illinois
and
having
the
10-day
period.
H
H
You
know
not
to
expand
the
10
days
to
30
days
or
something
like
that,
but
to
create
a
one-time
right
to
be
able
to
where
the
tenant
has
the
right
to
offer
payment
and
the
landlord
must
accept
the
tender
and
that
right
would
go
up
to
the
point
which
the
landlord
has
the
moment
before.
The
landlord
has
obtained
an
eviction
judgment
and
the
reason
that
that's
very
important
I
mean,
and
we
just
we
call
it
pay
to
stay
so
much
that
you
know.
I
forget
that
that's
jargon,
but
you
know
the
five-day
period.
H
Even
the
10-day
period
is
a
very
short
amount
of
time
for
people
to
pull
together
money,
especially
if
somebody
needs
to
make
an
application
for
emergency
rental
assistance,
even
when
we're
operating
in
our
most
efficiently.
You
know
it
takes
a
look.
You
know
a
day
to
figure
out
who
to
call
and
then
a
couple
of
days
to
get
to
the
right
place
and
then
a
couple
of
days
to
process
the
check.
H
You
know
even
the
best
of
circumstances,
that's
not
something
that
we
can
get
done
in
10
days,
and
so
this
allows
the
tenant
to
pay
and
then
the
landlord
has
to
dismiss
the
eviction
action.
Now
you
know.
If,
if
I
got
to
write
all
the
laws,
I
I
would
extend
that
five
or
ten
day
period.
You
know
just
for
reference.
H
Massachusetts
has
a
30-day
period
for
everybody.
The
landlord
can't
file
an
eviction
for
30
days,
but
we
felt
that
making
it
a
one-time
right
and
extending
it
up
to
the
point
in
which
an
eviction
action
goes
to
judgment
kind
of
balances,
the
interest
of
the
landlord
and
tenant
and
and
as
the
flyer
indicates
it
does.
If
and
if
the
landlord
has
incurred
the
expense
of
filing
a
court
case,
then
the
tenant
would
have
to
pay
those
additional
fees
as
well.
C
And
so
so
that
could
the
tenant
offer
to
pay
less
than
the
tenant
actually
owes,
and
then
the
landlord
must
accept
that
so
or
is
that.
H
It
does
it,
it
does
not
require
that
the
landlord
enter
into
a
payment
arrangement
and
actually
requires
the
attendant
to
to
offer
or
to
tender
the
full
amount.
That's
due,
and
it's
it's
written
in
a
way
that
the
landlord
and
I'm
saying
it's
written,
I
I
would
be
using
I'd,
be
suggesting
the
language
in
the
county,
ordinance
it
it's
written
in
a
way
that
the
landlord
can't
take
away
the
tenants
right
by
refusing
to
give
a
number
the
cook
county,
and
I
can
pull
up
the
exact
language.
H
But
the
cook
county
ordinance
says
that
if
the
tenant
won't
give
the
I'm
sorry
if
the
landlord
won't
give
the
tenant
the
exact
amount
to
then,
if
the
tenant
tenders,
the
amount
that
they
believe
in
good
faith
is
the
amount
due.
Then
the
landlord
has
to
accept
it.
So
the
landlord
can't
just
undercut
the
right
completely
by
refusing
to
participate,
but
it
does
not
require
that
the
landlord
take
less
or
enter
into
a
payment
arrangement.
C
F
One
of
the
real
challenges,
especially
right
now,
of
trying
to
make
an
even
more
tenant
friendly
thing
that
aspect
to
this
would
be
very
difficult
because
landlords
are
really
struggling
because
they
right
now
have
tenants
who
are
unable
to
pay
and
they
can't
evict
and
even
the
tenants
that
are
pursuing
rent
assistance.
It
takes
forever.
F
I
just
gotta
tell
you
it
takes
forever
and
because
there's
a
lot
of
compliance
and
all
that
stuff
with
that,
but
is
so.
I
really
think
that
it's
important
that
we
try
to
maintain
a
balance,
but
I
also
think
that
these
are
types
of
things
we
need
to
sort
of
check
up
on
regularly
and
see
if
there
are
possible
changes
that
can
be
made
or
should
be
made.
F
If
we're
seeing
that
there
are
more
problems,
it's
it's
hard
to
we're
kind
of
in
a
bad
time
to
to
assess
what
the
what
will
be
normal
again.
I
certainly
hope
we
don't
have
as
many
and
as
many
people
really
at
a
point
where
they
could
be
threatened
with
addiction
when
the
moratorium
burn
off.
F
But
you
know,
but
just
as
we
hadn't
looked
at
some
of
our
numbers
and
stuff
for
you
know,
however
many
years
we
there's
something
we
have
to
kind
of
look
at
and
update
these
these
ordinances,
maybe
once
in
a
while-
and
maybe
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
and
and
another
example
is
the
back
in
the
day
when
security
deposits
were
earning
real
interest,
it
was
perfectly
reasonable
to
expect
a
landlord
to
send
a
check
to
their
tenants
for
the
the
interest
on
that
every
year.
F
But
I
get
calls
periodically
from
people
who
are
saying
my
landlord's
telling
me
that
my
total
security
deposit
interest
is,
you
know
some
tiny
little
amount.
That
can't
possibly
be
true.
Is
that
right-
and
you
know
I
say
well,
the
interest
rate
is,
you
know,
point
zero,
five
percent
right
now
or
something
like
that,
and
and
so
it
really
it
it.
It
isn't
helping
anybody,
and
so
that's
again
that
the
the
what
cook
county
did
was
just
say,
get
rid
of
the
that
responsibility
of
paying
those
tiny
bits
of
interest.
F
And
now,
if
we
go
into
some
crazy
different
financial
world,
where
interest
goes
way
up
again,
then
we
might
want
to
look
at
that.
But
it's
just
it's
it's
a
balancing
act
and
if
we,
if
we
are
doing
something
to
benefit
the
tenants
which
we
want
to
do,
we
also
need
to
be
conscious
of
what.
What
is
what
helps
the
landlords
too,
because
it's
a
it's
a
rental
ecosystem,
it's
not
one
or
the
other
we
have
to
have
both
being
able
to
you
know
benefit
so.
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
from
any
of
the
commissioners.
I
Larry
question
yeah,
it's
ellen
and
it
kind
of
dovetails
on
what
sarah
was
just
talking
about.
It's
more
of
a
process
question
so
we're
looking
to
amend
this
ordinance
and
the
process
of
making
the
proposed
amendments
were
to
work
with
staff,
so
that
would
be
sarah
marion
and
what
other
staff?
Brian
george,
our
lawyer,
you
know.
Besides
the
legal
team,
though.
F
I
Okay,
so
then
there's
staff
and
then
consultation
with
michelle
from
lawyers
committee
right
and
then
running
it
by
legal.
I
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
when
cook
county
passes
their
ordinance,
for
example,
another
municipality.
Does
it
is
there
like
a
public
comment?
How
do
you
get
feedback
from
landlords?
If
lawyers
committee
for
better
housing
is
more
geared
towards
tenants
rights,
which
is
great?
How
do
you
get
that
input
you
know?
Is
there
public
comment?
Is
this?
The
public
comment
is
public
comment
come
when
it
goes
to?
I
forget
which
commission
it's
going
to
after
us,
so
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
how
it
happens
in
evanston
and
how
that
worked
in
cook,
county.
F
Well,
I
can
give
you
a
little
information
on
the
last
change
to
our
landlord
tenant
or
ordinance.
It
was
made
in
2016,
and
that
was
at
a
time
when
there
had
been
a
consideration
of
introducing
landlord
licensing
and
that
created
quite
a
few
in
evanston
and
so
a
committee
at
the
time
of
two
or
three
of
our
aldermen.
I
don't
remember
exactly
who
all
was
involved
in
it,
and
some
landlords
worked
on.
F
Changes
to
the
ordinance
that
actually
incorporated
the
section
in
our
landlord
tenant
ordinance
that
talks
about
what
criminal
behavior
is
not
allowed
on
properties
and
that
if
people
or
their
guests,
you
know
tenants
or
their
guests
or
anyone
they
allow
on
the
property,
are
engaging
in
that
behavior.
It
could
result
in
their
lease
termination
and
grant
ferrar.
F
Our
corporation
council
at
the
time
worked
very
closely
with,
among
others,
the
schreiber
center
and
open
communities
it
was
when
brandon
saunders
was
there
brendan
was
very
involved
to
make
sure
that
that
what
was
in
our
ordinance
in
the
nuisance
premises
ordinance
and
is
also
reflected
in
a
section
of
our
landlord
tenant
ordinance
did
not
violate
any
of
the
protections,
for
you
know
vital
protections
for
classes
that
are
frequently
discriminated
against
or
evicted
from
housing
because
of
calls
for
service.
F
For
example,
victims
of
domestic
violence
have
been
in
in
some
situations,
they
have
ended
up
being
evicted
because
they
have
called
police
in
in
a
situation
where
their
their
life
or
health
and
well-being
or
those
of
other
family
members
are
in
danger.
So
so
it
was
a
very
carefully
crafted
addition
to
the
ordinance
and
addition
to
the
nuisance
premise
ordinance,
but
part
of
that.
F
The
reason
for
that
was
to
try
to
give
landlords
something
that
was
saying,
look
tenants.
You
can't
behave
this
way
and
expect
to
stay
in
your
housing
and
one
of
the
interesting
things
is.
We
never
really
did
anything
more
with
that.
It's
just
in
those
two
ordinances,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
now
also
considering,
is
something
that
had
started
being
worked
back
in
2019
and
got
kind
of
derailed,
and
that
was
adding
a
an
addendum
to
the
lease
and
requiring
that
lease
right
now.
F
The
model,
the
edison
model
is
just
that
a
a
landlord
can
use
our
lease
or
they
can
use
their
own
lease
as
long
as
it
is
substantially
similar.
You
know
they
can't.
You
know
just
make
up
their
own
lease
terms,
but
the
discussion
was
to
have
a
an
addendum
to
the
lease
that
tenants
would
sign,
because
the
reality
is
this
one
of
the
things
that
happens
when
you
attach
a.
F
F
But
we
also
want
to
look
at
establish
establishing
this
safe
housing,
lease
addendum,
which
is
really
basically
saying
you
know,
if
any
the
same
stuff
that
is
in
the
nuisance
ordinance
and
in
the
landlord
tenant
ordinance,
but
is
attached
to
leases
that
the
tenants
sign
saying
they
are
aware
of
this
and
they
understand
it
and
they
know
that
they
have
to
abide
by
it,
because,
even
though
it's
in
our
ordinances
again,
unless
the
tenant
goes
through
everything,
they
don't
read
it.
F
So
that's
another
thing
that
we
are
recommending
being
considered
and
if
all
of
our
landlords
are
required
to
use
that
and
attach
it
to
whatever
lease
that
they
are
using,
whether
it's
the
city
support
model
lease
or
their
own
lease,
then
we
are
providing
that
information
consistently
to
everybody
and
setting
expectations
about
how
you're
a
good
resident
of
evanston.
What
behavior
is
not
allowed?
F
So
that's
the
other
thing
that's
mentioned
in
that
whole
list
of
stuff
we're
looking
at,
and
so
our
next
steps
would
be
to
draft
the
you
know,
draft
the
ordinance
and
any
of
these
you
know
and
and
the
model
is
in
the
addendum,
so
that
they
would
all
travel
at
one
time
together
for
consideration.
I
believe
it
would
go
to
planning
and
development
and
then
it
would
go
to
city
council
and
it's
an
ordinance,
so
it
would
be
introduced
and
then
it
would
have
a
second
hearing.
F
So
there's
a
pretty
robust
process.
We
in
2016
there
was.
That
was
the
process.
Now
we
also
have
we
communicate
with
our
landlords
through
our.
F
We
can
also
work
with
joe
roth
of
the
realtors
association,
who
is
the
governmental
liaison,
and
he
can
help
us
get
that
information
out
as
well,
and
that
if
we
do
that,
as
this
is
moving
through
and
going
to
planning
and
development,
then
people
can
come
and
comment
on
it
at
that.
F
I
Is
that
this
one
follow-up
would
be?
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
getting
people
to
comment
on
it
and
I'm
wondering
if
other
people
share
my
concern
that
at
the
front
end
and
maybe
I'm
wrong,
so
I
could
be
way
off
base
but
at
the
front
end
we're
skewing
the
amendments
without
taking
stock
of
what
landlords
might
have
to
say
about
them.
So
michelle,
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
that
you
can
address
and
I
yeah
well.
H
I
can
say
so:
the
cook
county
residential
tenant
landlord
ordinance
was
introduced
in
july
2020
by
scott
britton
and
kevin
morrison
from
the
sort
of
northwest
during
cook
county,
and
there
was
no
cook
county
ordinance
on
landlord
tenant
law
when
that
was
introduced,
and
although
it
had
been
a
personal
goal
of
mine,
commissioner
burton
did
consult
with
us,
especially
as
part
of
the
chicago
area,
fair
housing
alliance,
because
the
assessment
of
fair
housing
process
that
cook
county
had
gone
through
had
identified
the
lack
of
landlord-tenant
law
as
a
fair
housing
issue,
because
I
mean,
I
know
we
think
very
much
about
fair
housing.
H
Being
you
know
saying
you,
I
won't
run
to
you
because
you're
black,
but
eviction
is
a
fair
housing
issue
as
well.
I
won't
go
too
much
farther
down
that
path.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
I
will,
but
I
I
assure
you
that
eviction
is
a
fair
housing
issue
and
that
a
landlord
attendant
ordinance
is
meant
as
an
eviction
prevention
tool.
H
So,
commissioner,
burton
brought
in
kafa,
of
which
lawyers
committee
is
a
very
active
member,
and
so
we
did
some
initial
work
before
it
was
introduced,
and
then
it
was
assigned
to,
I
believe,
the
zoning
committee,
because
there
wasn't
really
a
civil
law
committee
or
or
you
know,
however,
that
was
decided
that
zoning
was
the
most
appropriate
committee.
H
So
there
were
was
a
public
hearing
and
this
of
course
it
was
all
over
zoom,
which
was
the
first
time
I
had
participated
in
a
legislative
history,
a
legislative
hearing
from
my
dining
room.
So
there
were
people
like
me
and
other
fair
housing
advocates
and,
and
there
were
representatives
of
landlords
and
the
you
know,
issues
were
raised
and
there
was
you
know
just
like
any
other
piece
of
legislation.
H
There
was
also
sort
of
I'll
call
it
off-camera
lobbying
as
well
the
zoning
commissioner,
commissioner,
the
chair
of
the
zoning
committee
committee,
commissioner,
silvestri,
convened
probably
six
meetings,
probably
because
the
last
one
was
pretty
long,
probably
a
good
15
hours
of
meetings
between
sort
of
the
chosen
representatives
of
each
each
side,
landlords
attendance
and
we
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
with
our
different
positions
and
our
different
priorities.
H
And
you
know
one
of
the
things
as
we've
talked
about
was
the
change
in
security
deposits.
You
know
on
on
one
hand
the
security
deposit
interest
regulations
are
difficult
for
the
land.
You
know
they.
They
have
a
lot
of
provisions
that
sort
of
catch
landlords.
When
they're
not
really
causing
a
lot
of
damage.
H
You
know
if
they
pay.
You
know,
you
know,
pay
ten
dollars
and
they're
supposed
to
pay
eleven
dollars.
They
can
possibly
be
sued
for
that,
where
it's
really
just
making
a
one
dollar
mistake,
so
that
I
mean
that
was
a
particular
soft
point
for
the
landlords
and
because
of
that
landlords
would
call
you
know
they
would
take
a
security
deposit
or
or
they
would
take
a
move-in
fee
and
so
as
a
way
to
circumvent
security,
deposit
regulation,
and
so
it
was
a
high
priority
for
our
side
to
change
the
moving
feet.
H
H
Yes,
so
you
know
we
went
back
and
forth.
The
cook
county
ordinance
has
some
similar
exceptions
to
what
you
already
see
in
evanston
in
chicago
I
mean
the
the
bones
of
it
is
very
much.
You
know,
it
is
a
I'll
say,
is
kind
of
a
word
processing
issue.
It
was
very
much
taking
language
cut
and
pasting
from
chicago
evanston
mount
prospect,
and
then
you
know
just
like,
like
I
said,
any
other
piece
of
legislation
which
is
kind
of
a
back
and
forth
it
as
to
the
late
fees.
H
The
limit
in
chicago
is
ten
dollars
on
the
first
five
hundred
dollars
in
monthly
rent
and
five
hundred
dollars
30
years
ago
might
actually
have
rented
you
a
a
low
income
unit.
You
know,
30
years
being
about
the
time
the
chicago
ordinance
was
passed.
Of
course,
500
is
meaningless
because
of
the
escalation
and
the
cost
of
housing,
where
you
haven't
also
seen
the
a
concurrent
race
increase
in
incomes.
H
So
the
draft
of
the
county
ordinance
that
commissioner
britain
introduced
had
a
late
fee
of
ten
dollars
on
the
first
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
and
you
know
you
can
see
here
it
ended
up
as
a
thousand,
so
it
in
a
way
evanston
has
an
advantage,
and
I
won't
say
that
it
came
to
be
a
completely
agreed.
H
You
know
I
mean
each
side
moved,
you
know
the
landlords
would
have
probably
have
preferred
not
ever
having
any
ordinance
you
you
know
I
I
will
say
that
you
know
like
I,
I
really
held
out
into
the
last
minute.
I
did
not.
I
didn't
want.
I
don't
remember
the
county
board.
H
I
did
not
want
to
see
the
1500
to
go
down
to
a
thousand,
but
you
know
it's
just
what
the
process
is
and
in
the
end
the
county
ordinance
passed
unanimously,
which
I
think
that
you
know
it's
it's
the
old
trope
about
a
compromise
means
that
no
one
is
happy,
but
I
I
think
that
it
was
a
good
compromise.
H
Tenants
got
protections,
the
rights
of
landlords
were
respected,
you
know
and,
like
I
said
it
passed
unanimously,
so
I
think
that
there's
an
advantage
here.
You
know
there
there
isn't.
You
know
there
isn't
a
goal
of
trying
to
say:
oh
well,
evanston
should
go
to
the
1500
monthly
rent
limit.
You
know
here
you're
kind
of
getting
the
benefit
of
that
compromise.
That
has
already
been
made.
H
You
know
this
is
not
an
attempt
to
like
start
at
the
top.
This
is
everything
that's
coming
in.
Here
is
something
that
has
been
compromised
in
either
the
chicago
or
the
county.
Ordinance,
it's
a
way
to
make
the
law
a
little,
not
perfectly,
but
a
little
bit.
H
You
know
a
bit
more
uniform,
which
is
especially
helpful
for
any
landlord
who's
operating
property
in
you
know,
either
in
evanston
and
chicago
or
say,
evanston
and
skokie.
You
know,
they're
gonna
have
pretty
similar
provisions.
B
Okay,
if
not,
I
think
you're
looking
for
our
approval
for
this.
F
F
This
type
of
thing
hasn't
come
to
this
to
any
of
our
bodies
that
oversee
our
housing
programs
and
policies
and
what
we're
doing-
and
we
thought
it
was
something
that
is,
we
need
to
change
and
start
doing,
and
I
don't
know
some
of
you
may
remember
when
john
bartlett
was
came
to
one
of
our
meetings.
F
Oh
gosh,
I
don't
remember
what
year
it
was,
but
it
was
before
the
pandemic,
and
he
had
said
at
that
time.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
evanston
might
want
to
think
doing,
of
adding
to
its
landlord
tenant
regulations
is
a
limit
on
late
fees
on
unpaid
rent,
because
that
was
something
they
were
getting
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of,
and
so
we
really.
F
This
is
a
major
housing
issue
because,
as
michelle
said,
it
is
really
landlord-tenant
ordinances.
Our
eviction,
prevention
tools
and,
at
the
same
time
they
have
to
work
for
the
landlords,
and
so
it
is
an
important
part
of
a
community's
housing
policy
and
program
and
and
that
we
really
hadn't
brought
to
this
commission
to
talk
about
or
think
about.
So
we
want
to
start
doing
that.
B
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you
that
was
that
was
helpful.
Anything
else
to
cover
under
this
agenda
item.
A
Yeah,
so
we
have
one
person
online,
who
I
believe,
wants
to
make
a
a
comment
so
douglas.
If
you
are
ready,
I
will
let
you
speak.
I
will
take
you
off
me
right
now,.
E
Okay,
great,
I
was.
E
Able
to
get
in,
I
had
a
cached
version
of
the
old
agenda
and
it
wasn't
letting
me
in
yeah
my
name
is
doug
sharp.
I
live
in
the
ninth
ward
on
cleveland
street,
I'm
west
of
dodge
and
between
maine
and
oakton,
I'm
speaking
tonight,
to
propose
a
small
research
project
for
the
city,
housing
staff.
E
Hopefully,
this
research
will
lead
to
solutions
to
slow
this
process
or
even
reverse
it.
For
example,
the
house
immediately
next
to
ours
sold
for
165
thousand
dollars
into
in
2017
to
a
developer,
who
got
rehabbed
the
house
and
turned
it
into
a
two
and
a
half
story,
building
that
sold
for
six
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars.
E
There
are
several
hundred
homes
in
this
section
of
evanston
that
are
modest
one-story
buildings,
many
on
slab,
many
under
a
thousand
square
feet
that
are
being
converted
one
by
one
into
housing
that
is
not
affordable
to
most
evanstonians.
E
B
I
know
that
on
the
housing
and
homelessness
commission,
we
reviewed
one
public
policy
tool
for
trying
to
control
that
and
limit
that
erosion
of
affordable
housing
was
through
the
demolition
fee,
and
we
had
a
number
of
discussions
in
late
2018
and
early
2019
and
ultimately,
after
considering
a
number
of
different
variations
of
way
to
measure
the
new
proposed
housing
versus
the
existing
housing
and
taking
into
account
some
exceptions,
we
agreed
that
we
would
propose
raising
the
fee
for
a
single-family
house,
from
ten
thousand
to
fifteen
000
and
for
multi-family
units
to
have
either
the
higher
of
fifteen
thousand
or
the
number
of
units
times
five
thousand,
and
that
was
approved
in
may
of
2019
by
city
council.
B
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
if
there
has
been
a
change
since
may
of
2019
in
the
number
of
units
that
or
just
the
number
of
units
where
a
demolition
tax
was
paid
and
if
there's
any
way
to
get
at
it.
The
number
of
situations
where
there
was
a
situation
like
what
doug
was
just
describing
where
a
demolition
fee
was
not
paid.
B
Changes
such
as
what
doug
has
mentioned,
but
let
me
ask
city
staff
what
their
thoughts
are
about
this.
F
I
sometimes
have
mixed
feelings
about
the
demolition
tax,
because
it
is
not
high
enough
to
really
deter
anybody.
Who
has
a
lot
of
money
from
doing
pretty
much
whatever
they
want,
but
it
is.
It
is
potentially
much
more
burdens
burdensome
to
some
body
of
much
more
modest
means,
but
if
somebody
is
doing
a
demolition
and
rebuilding
for
their
own
purpose-
and
they
have
lived
at
that
property
for
three
years
and
then
they
go
three
after
it
excludes
owner
occupants
anyway.
So
it
it
in
essence
protects
that
raising
the
demolition
fee.
F
I
don't
know
we'd
have
to
really
explore
that
the
demolition
fee
does
go
up
a
slight
bit
every
year,
at
least
it
has
so
far
because
we
did
index
it
to
the
consumer
price
index.
You
know
it
is
a
poss,
it
is
a
partial
deterrent,
but
there
are
other
things
that.
F
Wouldn't
necessarily
deal
with
just
a
single
unit,
a
single
dwelling
unit
house-
in
other
words,
not
a
single
family
house,
but
things
that
have
been
used
in
chicago
and
some
other
areas
to
try
to
reduce
the
loss
of
affordable
units
and
one
of
those
is
to
chicago's
put
moratoriums
on
deconversions
of
two
flats
to
single-unit
housing.
For
example.
In
some
areas,
they've
been
working,
trying
that
along
the
606
and
in
pilsen
and
some
other
areas
that
have
been
really
gentrifying.
So
I
think
that.
F
The
balance
there
is
what
tools
you
use
and
do
they
really
accomplish
keeping
affordable
housing
for
the
for
the
current
residents.
One
of
the
things
that
is
the
challenge
is.
F
You
want
investment
in
neighborhoods
that
have
not
had
investment,
but
if
you
get
too
much
investment,
you
wind
up
with
gentrification
and
it
is
a
balancing
act
and
it's
something
that
we
haven't
taken.
A
deep
look
at
and
a
hard
look
at,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
especially
going
to
have
to
look
at.
One
of
our
concerns
is.
We
could
see
the
same
kind
of
foreclosure
problem
and
financial
difficulties
coming
out
of
this
crisis
of
people
being
unable
to
pay
their
rent.
We
have
found
some.
F
I
I
can't
give
you
a
statistical
portion
of
total
people
who
can't
pay
rent,
but
there
are
some
cases
where
people
who
have
not
been
impacted
by
kovid
are
not
paying
rent
and
the
landlords
can't
evict
them
because
of
the
eviction
moratorium,
although
technically
they
can
certainly.
F
Try
that,
because
the
eviction
moratorium
is
only
on
affects
people
who
have
lost
income
due
to
coca-19
at
least
the
cdc
one,
but
it's
very
hard
to
get
that
through
the
courts
and
the
courts
aren't
necessarily
going
to
be
immediately
sympathetic
and
the
courts
are
still
way
behind.
So
we've
we've
got
a
lot
of
potential
issues
with
smaller
landlords.
If
we
can't
figure
out
ways
to
help
them.
If
their
tenants
aren't
cooperating
or
aren't
eligible
for
rent
assistance,
they
could
wind
up
being
delinquent
on
property
taxes
and
all
sorts
of
other
things.
F
So
we've
been
trying
to
work
with
hud
on
a
program
to
provide
direct
assistance
to
small
landlords
and
one
of
the
things
we've
been
told
so
far
is
we
don't
want
you
using
your
cdbg
cv?
That
way
we
want
you
to.
You
know
they
can
all
be
helped
with
rent
assistance
and
that
just
isn't
true,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
try
to
address
some
of
those
things.
So
that's
not
really
answering
your
question
directly,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
things.
F
We
have
to
look
at
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
lose
affordable
housing,
but
it's
not
just
home
ownership,
it's
also
rental
and
and
potentially
our
small
businesses
that
are
that
their
business
is
rental.
So.
E
E
But
part
of
my
motivation
for
raising
this
issue
is.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
city
has
the
data
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
sale
of
properties
and
to
identify
properties,
for
example
like
the
two
houses
that
I'm
talking
about
here
in
my
neighborhood,
that
sell
for
150,
160,
000
and
then
within
a
12-month
period,
have
been
developed
and
sold
for
700
000.
E
But
we
don't.
I
have
not
seen
at
least
any
metrics
that
tell
us
how
much
affordable
housing
we
are
losing
and
I
think
by
you
know,
looking
at
the
the
property
sales,
and
you
know
I
could
consider
making
a
foia
request
to
try
to
do
this,
but
it
just
seems
to
me
that
city
staff
could
much
more
readily.
E
E
I
mean
I
start
to
think
about
some
way
that
we
get
to
bring
in
the
community
partners
for
affordable
housing
into
the
process
and
that
the
city
somehow
work
with
cipa
to
you
know
to
convert
these
homes
that
are
some
of
them
like
the
one
next
door.
You
know
the
fellow
who
lived
there
died
went
to
a
nurse.
He
went
to
a
nursing
home
died,
family
sold
it
to
a
developer.
They
had
no
interest
in
it.
The
one
across
the
street
was
vacant.
E
F
F
We
used
the
analysis
done
by
the
by
ida,
for
the
state
requirement
of
municipalities
are
supposed
to
have
10
at
minimum
of
their
housing
affordable,
and
we
showed-
and
I
don't
remember
the
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head-
how
much
affordable
housing
we
had
lost
simply
because
of
the
escalating
value
of
real
estate,
and
some
of
that
is
going
to
be
as
people
have
built
on
or
added
on
or
torn
something
down
and
build
a
bigger
house,
but
part
of
it's
just
overall
in
inflation
in
in
the
costs
of
of
housing
that
unfortunately,
incomes,
especially
of
lower
wage
workers,
is
not
cut
up
kept
off
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
mean
we
can
look
at
it,
but
sipa
is
involved
in
evanston
and
ceba
is
buying
some
properties.
F
But
you
know
the
amount
of
money
we
have
to
purchase
properties
and
maintain
them
as
affordable
is
a
challenge,
and
anybody
who
has
a
property
has
the
right
to
sell
it
at
whatever
rate
they
want.
But
I
don't
think
we
could
answer
this
question
now.
I
think
it's
something
we
have
to
look
at,
and
one
of
my
concerns
is
we're
in
the
public
comment
period
and
I'm
taking
up
too
much
time
trying
to
respond
to
one
thing.
Perhaps
maybe
we
should
also
get
to
our
other
public
comment.
A
Great
so,
let's
see
we
have
two
more
folks
lined
up
to
give
public
comment.
So
the
next
tina,
if
you
are
ready
to
make
a
comment,
go
ahead.
J
Hello,
oh
hello,
oh
hello,
I'm
sorry!
Good
evening,
hi,
I'm
tina
payton
and
I
just
was
entered
into
the
meeting.
There
was
a
faulty
link
for
the
this
meeting
tonight.
I
tried
to
get
in
a
long
time
ago,
because
this
is
very
important.
J
J
So
I
would
like
to
say
a
few
things.
Unfortunately,
I
was
not
available
to
hear
the
conversation,
so
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
late
fees,
and
so,
if
someone
pays
ten
dollars
a
month
for
late
fees,
there's
no
incentive.
J
J
You'll
have
to
remember
that
most
of
the
tenants
that
we're
accepting
for
low
income,
they
have
bad
credit,
possibly
evictions,
bankruptcies
and
so
you're,
trying
to
have
a
better
behavior
so
allowing
them
to
only
pay
ten
dollars
a
month
is
not
appropriate.
Also,
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
notice
of
non-payment.
J
I
didn't
hear
what
you
said:
are
you
keeping
it
to
the
10-day
notice
chicago
had
five-day
notice
and
other
municipalities
have
three-day
notice,
so
are
you
keeping
it
to
a
10-day
notice?
I
wasn't
available
to
hear
the
conversation,
also
the
cure
one-time
right
to
stay
until
the
court
judgment.
J
Unfortunately,
I
was
not
here
to
hear
that
as
well.
I
think
that's
inappropriate
if
you
have
someone
that
owes
rent
and
you
pay
give
them
a
10-day
notice.
J
They
know
most
tenants
know
before
the
first
of
the
month
that
they
owe
money
for
on
the
first
and
they
know
usually
before
the
first
that
they're
not
going
to
have
the
rent
money.
So
at
that
time
it
is
up
to
the
tenant
to
go
and
seek
additional
assistance.
If
necessary,
we
should
not
be
penalized
we're
already.
J
J
If
you
go
to
court,
it's
going
to
take
months
and
months,
possibly
to
put
someone
out.
So
are
you
letting
them
rent
for
free
for
months
and
months
already?
So
this
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
what
you're
saying
here
then
also
you're
saying
for
termination.
I
agree
with
the
60-day
notice
for
the
tenants.
I
also
on
my
lease
say
that
the
tot
the
tenant
should
give
me
60
days,
written
notice
of
what
they
plan
on
doing.
J
But
I
feel
like
120
days
is
on
a
pr
and
it's
not
appropriate
120
days.
You
know
you
can
do
all
kind
of
things
in
120
days.
Sometimes
we
have
a
quick
e
notice
because
a
tenant
could
be
damaging
our
property.
I've
had
that
situation
happened
to
me
just
recently.
J
I
was
trying
to
remove
the
tenant
not
for
non-payment,
but
sometimes
because
they're
doing
things
inappropriate
at
your
building.
Sometimes
it's
violent
acts.
Sometimes
it's
a
destructive
pr
to
the
property,
and
so
you
have
to
remove
them
from
your
property
quickly
and
give
them
short
notice.
So
30
days
was
appropriate,
so
you're
saying
for
low-income
people
or
people
with
children.
J
J
J
Sometimes
what
happens
with
the
security
deposit
is
the
tenant
uses
the
security
deposit
as
last
month's
rent?
Sometimes
the
agency
uses
the
deposit
reports
it
as
income,
which
is
no
longer
a
security
deposit.
Most
people
do
not
know
or
understand
what
I'm
saying
when
I
say
this.
So
what
happens
with
a
security
deposit
by
agency
and
most
agencies
cannot
keep
track
of
the
number
of
people
they
help,
especially
during
now
it's
a
big
giant
pandemic
and
they
may
help-
let's
say
a
thousand
people.
J
So
if
they're
giving
a
security
deposit
to
a
landlord,
then
a
lot
of
times
what
the
agency
does
is
claim.
The
security
deposit
as
income,
and
so
therefore
it's
not
a
security
deposit
anymore,
because
it's
not
held
as
income
so
miss
flax,
probably
knows
what
I'm
saying
some
of
the
other
people
may
not.
So,
therefore,
we
don't
even
have
a
security
deposit
after
that,
because
it
was
reported
as
income.
J
So
some
of
these
things
you
know,
I
I
of
course
feel
for
the
tenant.
We've
been
doing
affordable
housing
for
over
50
years,
but
there
is
no
landlord
help
or
you
know
it's
all
all
one-sided,
and
this
is
not
right
at
all.
We're
suffering
too,
because
after
this
pandemic
is
over
and
currently
it's
hard
to
find
a
good
tenant,
there's
people
that
owe
other
landlords,
money
that
are
leaving
they
may
be
working
and
they
have
left
other
landlords
stranded
with
thousands
of
dollars.
I
just
saw
someone
on
channel
two
news.
J
The
lady
said
that
two,
the
couple
both
were
working
through
the
pandemic
because
of
the
moratorium.
They
we
can't
do
anything
about
it
and
they
leave
and
maybe
they'll,
come
to
me
and
rent,
and
then
I'm
stuck
here
with
people
not
paying.
So
this.
J
What
you're
saying
a
proposing
is
like
a
stab
in
the
back
twice
because
we're
not
getting
any
help.
We
have
no
recourse
and
it's
just
unfair
and
I'm
very
sad
that
I
was
not
able
to
see
the
meeting
and
what
you
are
proposing
before
that.
But
what
I've
read
was
not
adequate,
and
so
I
feel
like
there's
a
one-way
street
when
landlords
are
trying
to
get
assistant
like
myself,
and
it's
not
just
for
non-payment
of
rent,
but
it's
policy.
J
It's
it's
fixing
our
home.
It's
code,
violation,
discrimination
and
we're
putting
our
business
on
the
line
when
we
take
people
that
have
the
bankruptcies
or
have
evictions
or
have
bad
credit.
I
want
everyone
to
do
well
and
that's
why
I
take
affordable
housing
people
and
I
talk
with
my
tenants
and
I
hope
that
when
they
get
assistance
that
they'll
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity,
some
people
do
and
some
people
don't.
But
this
is
why
I
provide
affordable
housing.
J
You
have
very
few
landlords,
like
myself,
left,
there's
luxury
buildings
with
very
few
available
units.
We
have
one
two
three
and
four
units
available
and
we
try
very
hard
to
go
by
code.
So
I
would
like
this
commission
to
see
that
landlords
like
myself,
get
help
and
and
talk
with
us
about
policy
before
you
make
it,
because
it's
not
right.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
Thank
you,
miss
payton.
I
first
want
to
apologize
that
the
link
that
you
received
earlier
didn't
work
for
you
and
you
weren't
able
to
participate
in
the
discussion
and
also.
Secondly,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
very
detailed
and
specific
and
supported
comments
on
various
provisions
that
were
discussed
earlier.
I
should
mention
that
this
was
just
introducing
a
potential
change
to
the
city
rlto.
B
There
was
no
action
requested
by
the
city
staff
to
approve
this
or
recommend
it,
so
their
comments
were
provided
by
the
commissioners.
In
fact,
one
commissioner
did
specifically
raise
the
point
of
this
clearly
incorporates
the
tenant's
point
of
view.
Were
efforts
made
to
include
the
landlord's
point
of
view,
and
the
process
was
that
was
used
was
described
in
a
fair
amount
of
detail,
but
you
have
provided
some
very
good
feedback
from
the
landlord's
point
of
view.
B
So
all
I
can.
Let
me
ask
sarah
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that,
but
I
appreciate
your
your
feedback.
Miss
payton.
F
Well,
tina,
you
did
ask
if
we
are
not
changing
the
ten
day
that
is
not
was
not
in
in
in
any
of
the
recommendations
we
were
leaving
that
alone.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
talk
with
you
offline,
because
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
get
your
point
of
view
on
is
the
lease
addendum
that
we're
talking
about.
B
G
A
Yeah
thanks
thanks
marion
and
we
do
have
one
last
public
comment.
So
let's
see
I
will
let
you
speak
if
you
are
ready
to
make
your
comment.
K
Yeah
first,
I
want
to
agree
with
many
of
the
comments
that
miss
payton
made,
but
the
first
thing
I
want
to
ask:
what
kind
of
landlords
do
you
have
in
evanston
that
require
these
draconian
measures
that
you're
putting
on
landlords?
I
looked
at
these
things
that
you're
about
to
implement.
K
I
think
the
pendulum
has
swung
a
little
bit
too
much
to
the
side
of
tenants,
and
especially
during
the
coronavirus,
19
landlords
have
found
themselves
in
a
very
untenable
positions.
I
was
very
concerned
as
a
landlord
when
I
read
of
your
intentions
to
adopt
changes
and
revisions
to
the
residential
tenant
landlord
ordinance.
K
Are
you
that
concerned
or
blind
to
small
landlords
like
me,
who
go
out
of
their
way
to
provide
housing
for
homeless
and
difficult
people
who
are
having
difficulty
getting
leases
from
agencies?
This
is
no
incentive
to
me
to
rent
any
of
these
tenants.
K
I
think
now
is
not
the
time
to
be
discussing
your
legal
lockouts,
excessive,
moving
and
security
deposits
limit
on
interest
of
late
payments
and,
among
the
other
things
that
you
had
up
for
discussion,
I'm
very
concerned
and
very
upset
that
I,
as
a
landlord,
have
to
be
made
victim
to
landlords
who
have
not
provided
tenants
with
below
market
value,
and
you
don't
have
to
make
these
kinds
of
arrangements
to
protect
those
few
tenants
who
are
those
landlords
who
require
these
kinds
of
restrictions.
B
B
Okay,
then,
let's
move
to
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
our
february
fourth
meeting:
do
we
have
any
changes.
A
Great,
I
will
call
the
roll
commissioner
bobo
hi,
commissioner
cushing.
D
D
B
The
minutes
are
approved,
then
we
have
staff
updates,
there's
a
report
from
mto
on
recent
call
volumes
and
so
forth.
F
I
didn't
see
necessarily
a
need
to
go
into
great
detail
on
any
of
this
right
now.
It
is
really
just
our
periodic
update
to
show
you
what's
happening
in
terms
of
call
volumes
and
what
changes,
if
any,
we're
seeing
in
what
calls
are
about
probably
not
surprising
the
calls
about
their
eviction
related
security,
deposit
related
and
things
like
that
have
gone
up.
F
F
Client
people
who
called
find
out
about
rent
assistance
to
connect
them
with
programs
that
are
appropriate
for
them
as
well.
So
there's
more
of
that
kind
of
work,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
hear
both
from
our
landlords-
and
we
know
from
everything
we're
reading-
is
that
this
pandemic
is
creating
a
very,
very
difficult
challenge
for
both
landlords
and
tenants.
I'm
going
to
be
on
a
call
tomorrow
about
ida's
plan
for
their
rent
assistance
program
and
cook
county's,
rent
assistance
program,
applications
close
tomorrow.
F
It
had
been
extended
for
a
week
and
the
money
that
is
is
funding.
These
programs
is
actually
money
from
the
consolidated
appropriations
act
that
was
passed
in
december
21st.
I
think
it
was
so
you
know
that's
the
and,
and
there
has
been
more
rent
assistance
money
that
was
approved
as
part
of
the
rescue
act,
and
one
of
the
things
I
just
want
to
make
people
aware
of
is
those
funds
are
not
coming
directly
to
evanston?
F
They
are
being
distributed
through
other.
You
know
other
channels,
the
the
rent
assistance
program
that
we
have
up
and
running
for
using
some
of
our
cvg
cv.
Money
is
currently
underway
as
well
and
marian,
especially,
but
I
am
also
sometimes
involved
in
calls
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
direct
tenants,
because
one
of
the
real
challenges
is
we.
F
We
can
assess
if
we
think
they're
eligible
and
help,
or
you
know
we
actually
largely
connections
and
other
service
providers,
connect
them
with
the
county,
rent
assistance,
for
example,
but
if
they're
eligible
for
the
evanston
program
and
our
limit
is
six
months,
but
if
we
can
take
care
of
their
needs,
then
we
will
try
to
do
them
locally
and
send
others
on
so
we're
really
it's
a
balancing
act
of
which
program
works,
and
I
gotta
tell
you.
One
of
the
biggest
challenges
is
with
the
multiple
programs
coming
out
from
different
sources
at
different
times.
F
F
You
might
know
something
more
about
this,
but
ida
was
going
to
look
at
launching
its
landlord-focused
program
first
at
one
point
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
but
if
that
is
what's
going
to
happen,
we
will
do
what
we
did
when
ida
had
its
program
last
summer,
which
was
a
tenant-based
one,
to
really
try
to
get
information
out
in
our
community
and
continue
to
get
people.
The
opportunity
to
apply
because
we
don't
have
those
funds
at
that
level
ourselves
to
be
able
to
help
people
with.
D
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
providing
that
it's
good
to
see
what
is
happening.
It's
good
to
see
feedback
from
the
mto
on.
F
What's
happening,
I
had
one
other
thing.
I
wanted
to
just
bring
up
briefly
that
we've
had
a
series
of
various
of
us
on
on
the
housing
and
grants
team
have
been
contacting
all
of
the
board's
committees,
members
of
the
board's
committees
and
commissions
of
three
of
them.
Anyway,
the
housing
and
community
development
act
committee.
This
commission
and
also
the
mental
health
board,
to
talk
about
a
proposal
that
we
plan
to
take
forward
to.
F
Council
we
were
originally
thinking
it
would
go
to
rules
or
could
go
to
rules
this
coming
monday,
but
it
won't
be.
There
are
too
many
other
things
on
that
agenda
already,
so
it'll
probably
be
at
a
later
date,
but
that
was
a
proposal
to
realign
these
three
bodies
into
two
committees,
one
with
focus
on
social
services
and
the
other,
with
focus
on
the
built
environment
which
much
of
the
housing
stuff
will
fit
into.
F
And,
of
course,
it's
not
always
literally
everything
that
all
services
are
in
one
and
there
would
be
some
services
that
would
stay
in
the
in
the
built
environment
committee
that
our
initial
name
that
we've
come
up
would
be
the
housing
and
community
development
committee.
The
other
would
be
the
social
services
committee,
but
the
rationale-
and
we've
talked
to
all
of-
I
think
everyone
I
hope
we
haven't
missed
anyone,
there's
a
possibility
we
have,
and
so
I
apologize,
we
were
trying
to
get
you
with
everyone.
F
Before
the
meeting,
we
have
realigned
the
process
for
allocating
social
services
funding
to
really
make
a
united
program
using
cdbg
public
services
and
and
the
local
mental
health
board,
funding
to
specifically
focus
our
dollars
more
effectively
on
clients,
residents
of
greatest
need
and
take
care
of
getting
their
needs
met.
F
So
the
three
parts
of
the
three
types
of
funding
will
be
for
case
management
services,
support
services
that
those
households
and
case
management
need,
which
would
be
provided
on
a
fee
for
basis
in
many
cases,
and
then
also
safety
net
services,
which
are
just
the
types
of
services
that
we
just
really
need
in
our
community
food
programs.
F
Domestic
violence
programs
are
among
those
but
the
instead
of
applying
for
either
cdbg
or
mental
health
board.
Funding
agencies
are
going
to
apply
in
those
categories
and
the
funding
will
be
allocated
based
on
what
works,
for
which
one
of
those
which
which
of
those
programs
and
one
of
the
other
things
we're
attempting
to
do,
is
because
cdbg
funding
always
comes
out
so
late
in
the
year.
F
F
So,
for
example,
we
could
probably
more
efficiently,
I
think,
of
in
cdbg.
We
have
a
housing
rehab
program.
Well,
part
of
our
housing
needs
is
preservation
of
affordable
housing.
We
were
just
talking
about
that
and
miss
payton
brought
that
up
what
kind
of
programs
do
we
have
and
are
we
do?
We
have
rehab
programs
that
are
the
ones
we
need.
F
I
think
we
can
look
at
it
collectively
in
a
single
body
and
look
at
the
different
funding
sources
and
design
better
programs
to
address
that
than
we
do
when
we
have
two
separate
organizations
looking
at
different
pots
of
money
that
can
be
used
for
the
same
thing.
That's
just
one
example.
I
also
feel
that
we
are
not
using
the
knowledge
and
the
expertise
of
our
commissioners
as
well
as
I
think
we
could,
if
we
had,
if
we
are
bringing
more
issues.
F
In
other
words,
we
approach
things,
for
these
are
the
things
we
need
to
accomplish
and
discuss
how
we
need
to
how
we
can
approach
it
and
get
more
involved
in
that
in
our
in
these
committees,
and
not
just
be
saying
here
is
a
specific
application
that
we're
bringing
you
we
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
our
boards
committees
and
commissions
that
recommend
funding
is
we
can't
have
the
people
who
are
in
the
organizations
that
are
asking
us
for
money
literally
on
these
committees,
but
we
see
an
opportunity
to
as
we
identify
issues,
and
maybe
the
committee
has
issues
that
we
go
through
a
series
of
them
throughout
the
year.
F
We
could
then
maybe
break
off
into
smaller
task
forces,
which
could
include
members
of
the
committee,
but
not
so
much
that
we
have
to
always
have
open
meetings
and
nine
million
agendas
and
stuff,
but
so
we
get
working.
F
We
can
also
get
people
who
are
not
members
of
our
boards
committees
and
commissions,
but
can
contribute
a
great
deal
to
how
we
can
look
at
changing
policy
or
developing
programs,
and
then
the
committee,
the
large,
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
for
consideration
and
the
next
steps
so
sort
of
like
what
we
did
tonight
to
talk
about
what
changes
we
might
want
to
make
to
our
landlord
tenant
ordinances,
where
we've
involved
lawyers
committee
for
better
housing
and
other
groups,
but
instead
also
maybe
have
a
board
member
or
a
committee,
member
or
whatever,
involved
in
that
work
as
well.
F
Another
example
of
an
example
of
which
isn't
exactly
parallel,
but
when
we
were
revising
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance,
we
had
a
committee
that
was
assigned
to
work
on
that
which
included
several
aldermen,
but
also
included
people
like
rob
anthony
from
cipa
who
would
never
sit
on
this
committee,
for
example,
because
he
comes
his
agency
comes
and
asks
us
for
money.
F
We
also
had
for-profit
developers.
We
got
a
different
mix
of
people
to
focus
on
that,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we
could
accomplish
from
a
policy
and
an
evaluation
standpoint
if
we
were
to
take
this
sort
of
approach
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
all
of
you
were
aware
of
it,
and
we
also
wanted
to
bring
it
up
here
so
that
the
rest-
our
public,
also
hears
about
this,
because
we
also
think
it
could
help
with
making
it
easier
for
people
to
follow.
F
What's
going
on
where,
right
now,
if
you're
trying
to
figure
out
housing
issues,
you
have
hcda
hhc,
and
then
you
also
have
the
projects
that
are
market
rate
projects
that
don't
necessarily
come
to
this
commission
for
approval
or
anything
like
that,
because
they
are
just
a
you
know:
it's
a
it's:
they
comply
with
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
Well
then,
it
wouldn't
come
here,
but
this
what
I
sometimes
call
the
bricks
and
sticks
committee,
so
it
would
be.
F
The
built
environment
committee
would
be
looking
at
the
outcomes
or
the
results
of
that
inclusionary
housing,
ordinance
and
maybe
looking
at
like
okay.
So
how
well
are
we
integrating
affordability
in
different
parts
of
our
community
and
where
do
we
need
to
put
our
financial
resources
to
try
to
get
money?
That
sort
of
stuff?
I
mean
that
that's
just
an
example.
F
I'm
not
saying
that
would
be
absolute,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
we
can
do
and
do
more
effectively
make
better
use
of
volunteers,
make
it
easier
for
our
residents
and
stakeholders
to
follow.
What's
going
on
as
well,
so
we've
gotten
tried
to
get
input
from
all
of
you
individually
and
we'll
continue
if
we've
missed
any
of
you,
but
we'd
also
just
like
right
now,
if
you
have
any
other
specific
comments
that
you'd
like
to
say
at
this
meeting
about
that
or
guidance
on
that,
that
would
be
great.
B
I
think
it's
a
terrific
idea,
it
sounds
like
it
will
be
moving
to
have
the
committee,
be
these
committees,
be
the
new
committees,
be
more
strategic
in
how
they
are
thinking
about
the
issues
that
we're
facing,
and
it
will
give
an
opportunity
to
have
some
substantive
discussions
and
substantive
contributions
by
the
members
of
these
various
committees.
I
think
it's
a
terrific
idea.
D
I
agree,
and
I
just
I
like
the
idea
that
out
you
know
others
either
in
the
community
or
that
are
working
in
organizations
that
work
in
the
community
can
participate
in
ways
that
maybe
they
can't
be
a
commissioner,
but
you
know
we
can
get
their
input,
which
I
think
is
helpful.
D
F
You
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
make
you
feel
you
have
to
comment,
but,
as
I
say
it's
partly
just
to
let
other
people
know
that
this
is
being
talked
about,
although
it
will
of
course
go
through
a
public
process
and
if
it
moves
forward,
it
will
require
a
bunch
of
ordinance
changes.
I
think,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
all
of
you
who
have
been
talking
with
us
about
it
and
and
it'll
continue.
F
Probably-
and
I
don't
know
quite
what
the
progression
is
going
to
be-
the
monday
was
just
becoming
overloaded
with
individual
items.
So
it's
just
not
something
that
will
be
taken
up
at
rules
on
monday
rules
was
already
moved
from
its
normal
first
monday
of
the
week
because
we
didn't
want
to
have
you
know,
meetings
right
before
the
election.
That
was
just
not
a
good
time
to
be
having
a
whole
lot
of
city
council
meetings
and
things
like
that.
Everybody
was
focused
on
other
things.
F
So
I
really
appreciate
all
of
your
willingness
to
discuss
in
your
input
and
that's
all
I
have
on
that
right
now.
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you,
sarah
and
I
is
there
anything
else.
Anyone
would
like
to
raise.
A
Yeah
before
we
move
on,
I
I
apologize.
I
made
a
quick
mistake.
I
didn't
realize
that
commissioner
long
had
joined
us,
and
so
I
wasn't
able
to
record
the
vote
on
the
minutes.
Can
we
take
that
now
or
or
what
happens
with
that?
A
Okay,
can
I
so,
can
I
just
roll
run
through
the
roll
call,
one
more
time,
sure?
Okay,
I
I
apologize
again,
commissioner
long
so,
commissioner
bobo.
D
D
A
Long,
oh,
maybe
she's,
not
here,
commissioner.
F
K
A
Perfect
and
commissioner
revell
aye.
Okay,
thank
you
all.