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A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
the
October
12
2022
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council.
A
Present
so
with
sixth
President,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff.
Our
planner
Katie
ashba
assistant,
City
attorney
Alex
Alex
ruggie
zoning
administer
Melissa
klotz
and
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams.
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
we
do
have
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that.
Persons
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
be
given
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
a
fact
based
upon
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
Staff.
Any
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
A
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
corresponding
staff
memo
when
testifying
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
We
do
have
several
items
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
the
first
one
being
a
map
Amendment
and
plan
development
for
2044
Wesley
Avenue.
My
understanding
from
staff
is
that
this
is
being
moved
to
a
later
date
and
a
new
notification
will
be
sent
out
due
to
the
changes
in
their
application.
So
we
will
not
be
hearing
that
this
evening,
but
a
new
notice
will
go
out
to
you
when
they
do
reapply.
So
look
for
that
to
come
in
your
in
your
mailbox.
A
We
also
have
22
22
through
2310
Oakton
Street.
The
applicant
is
the
City
of
Evanston
I'm.
Assuming
that's
why
you
are
all
here
in
new
business
we
have
321
Howard
Street
is
the
applicant
present
here.
A
Rogers,
okay,
they
may
come
in
as
we
move
along
and
just
helmet.
A
A
With
that
I'm,
going
to
ask
that
anybody
who
may
be
giving
testimony
this
evening
to
us
be
sworn
at
this
time.
By
raising
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
or
affirm,
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings.
B
A
Thank
you
and
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
the
first
item,
which
is
actually
the
approval
of
our
minutes
from
September
14th
2022.
Is
there
a
motion
for
approval,
I,
move
approval
of
the
minutes
moved
by
commissioner
lindwall?
Is
there
a
second
by
holik?
Is
there
any
Corrections
that
need
to
be
made
other
than
I
go
back
and
forth
between
being
chair
Rogers
with
a
d
and
commissioner
Rogers
without
a
d,
so
I
don't
care
which
one
you
use,
whether
chair
or
commissioner?
A
You
so
it
gets
confusing
that
people
might
think
I'm
two
different
people,
any
other
changes
that
need
to
be
made,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approval.
Please
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Anyone
need
to
abstain,
all
right
so
with
six
votes
in
favor.
The
meeting
of
minutes
are
approved
from
our
meeting
on
September
14th,
and
now
we
will
move
to
the
first
case
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
A
Therefore,
that
takes
us
to
the
plan
development,
222-2310,
Oakton,
Street,
22plnd0025
and
I'll.
Ask
that
that
be
read
into
the
record.
Please.
B
The
applicant
requests
a
special
use
for
a
kennel
and
seeks
the
following
site:
development
allowances,
16
parking
spaces
where
25
parking
spaces
are
required
for
the
animal
shelter
or
kennel
use
and
one
short
open
loading
birth
that
is
not
located
within
the
rear
yard
and
is
substandard
in
length.
No
changes
are
proposed
to
the
existing
Recycling
Center,
building
or
area
the
applicant
May
seek
and
the
land
use
commission
may
consider
additional
site
development
allowances
as
may
be
necessary
or
desirable
for
the
proposed
development.
B
The
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
Section
636
of
the
Evanston
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92-0-21
should
be
noted.
This
item
was
initially
posted
with
the
on
Friday
September
23rd
for
the
September
28th
land
use
commission
meeting.
That
meeting
was
canceled
due
to
a
lack
of
Quorum.
So
now
the
land
use
commission
is
considering
that
case
this
evening.
A
Thank
you,
Miss
ashbaugh,
a
quick
question
for
staff
before
I.
Ask
you
to
come
up.
Why
is
this
also
a
planned
development,
instead
of
just
a
straight
special
use.
D
A
E
Chair
Rogers
and
members
of
the
land
use
commission,
my
name
is
Shane
Carey
I'm,
an
architect
and
project
manager
for
the
public
works
department,
I'm
here
to
introduce
the
the
project
for
the
Evanston
Animal
Shelter.
This
is
a
plan
development
for
with
for
the
properties
at
2310
and
222
Oakton
Street.
E
E
The
design
team
is
led
by
Haliburton
root
Architects
and
is
supported
by
Connelly
Architects,
which
is
an
animal
shelter,
specialist
I'm
Meg,
which
is
an
MEP
FB
engineer,
rme,
which
is
structural
engineer,
Terra
engineering,
which
is
the
civil
engineer,
GSG
Consultants,
which
is
geotechnical
Engineers
site
design,
which
is
the
landscape,
architect
and
CCS,
which
is
a
cost
estimating
company.
So,
although
I'm
the
voice,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
technical
support
that
that
this
project
is
receiving.
E
E
It
was
originally
a
part
of
a
brickworks
factory
where
the
brickworks
was
located
to
the
west
of
James
Park
and
James.
Park
was
used
as
the
it's
where
they
provided
the
clay
to
make
the
bricks
this
the
site
was
after
the
brickworks,
was
closed
down.
E
They
sold
this
these
two
Parcels
to
a
construction
company
and
it
was
used
as
construction
storage
yard
and
a
junkyard
in
sometime
in
the
1980s
I
believe
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
the
City
of
Evanston
acquired
the
property
in
order
to
help
clean
it
up
in
19,
sometime
between
1984
and
1987,
the
City
of
Evanston
installed
a
dog
pound,
and
that
was
on
the
23-10
address
property
in
1991.
The
222
address
had
a
recycle
the
recycling
center
installed
due
to
the
industrial
nature
of
the
use
of
this
these
properties.
E
There
are
a
variety
of
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
that
the
city
has
been
attempting
to
to
address
for
the
past
40
years.
We
will
need
to
do
some
environmental
remediation.
There
will
also
be
some
additional
structural
requirements
for
our
foundation
due
to
poor
soils.
There
are
nuisance,
trees
that
are
located
on
the
property.
There
are
a
number
of
outbuildings
and
storage
is
currently
unscreened
and
yeah,
and
it's
generally
a
very
cluttered
site.
E
The
animal
shelter
has
four
full-time
employees,
but
is
primarily
a
volunteer
organization.
They
have
about
175
volunteers.
Let
me
rephrase
that
I'm,
sorry
pre-covid
they
had
approximately
175
volunteers
and
those
volunteers
worked
in
two
and
a
half
to
three
hour
shifts
they
provided
care
for
the
animals
or
they
provide
cares
for
the
animals
from
7am
to
10
p.m.
That's
the
operation
for
the
building
365
days
a
year
pre-covered.
They
their
statistics
were
that
they
provided
Sheltering
for
about
300
dogs
and
about
275
cats.
Every
year.
E
The
number
of
public
visitors
that
come
to
this
facility
currently
is
that
they
have
about
two
to
three
public
visitors
per
day,
Monday
through
Thursday,
and
that
is
for
their
pet
food
pantry,
where
they
provide
free
pet
food
for
people
in
need
in
that
are
residents
of
the
City
of
Evanston,
and
this
is
an
an
attempt
to
create
shelter,
diversion
trying
to
keep
animals
from
coming
to
the
shelter
in
the
first
place
so
that
they
don't
have
as
many
animals
that
they
have
to
find
homes.
E
E
E
That
includes
removing
the
curb
cut
for
the
parking
area
at
2310,
open
Street
and
removing
the
easternmost
curb
cut
for
the
recycling
center
Additionally.
The
study
indicated
that
we
should
use
the
traffic
signal
that
is
currently
provides
access
to
the
shopping
center,
that
is
across
the
street,
to
the
north
of
Oakton
Street.
E
E
You
will
see
that
we've
placed
the
parking
area,
the
parking
lot
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
and
we
have
provided
access
to
Oakton
Street
through
the
existing
traffic
signal
and
we
have
aligned
Lanes
so
that
they
fit
with
that.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
had
to
use
property
that
is
currently
at
the
recycling
center,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
also
a
part
of
the
222
address.
E
The
main
entry
is
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
building,
with
an
adjacency
to
the
parking
lot
and
to
Oakton
Street
Corridor
or
Oakton
Street,
clearly
identifying
that
this
is
where
the
main
entry
of
the
building
is
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
building.
We
have
an
intake
area
and
we
have
the
food
pantry
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
E
It
is
important
to
note
that
for
animal
shelters,
it's
really
critical
to
separate
the
intake
where
you
have
relinquishments
occurring
and
adoptions,
where
you
have
people
coming
in
and
adopting
animals.
These
two
experiences
are
vastly
different
from
each
other,
because
one
is
very
sad
one
is
bringing
in
animals
that
often
have
behavioral
issues.
The
other
is
a
joyous
occasion
where
you
have
animals
that
have
been
that
are
being
rehabilitated
or
have
been
rehabilitated.
E
Here
is
a
landscape
plan
all
of
the
nuisance
trees
that
are
on
this
property
are
going
to
be
removed,
we're
going
to
be
installing
or
planting
Nursery
stock
species,
primarily
along
the
South
and
on
the
west
edge
of
the
property.
The
light
green
area
is
going
to
be
sod.
The
dark
green
area
is
a
low.
E
At
the
main
entry
there
is
a
Hardscape
Plaza.
This
Plaza
is
going
to
include
bicycle
racks
benches
and
and
a
clear
connection
to
the
multi-use
path.
E
E
E
I'm
going
to
be
saying,
Ornamental,
Metal
fence
about
a
hundred
times
and
then
we'll
be
installing
an
ornamental
metal
fence
with
faux
wood
panels
in
the
most
the
most
visible
sections
and
then
in
the
back
of
house
areas,
we're
going
to
be
installing
chain
link
fence
that
is
black.
E
Enclosure
to
100
it
blocks,
views
and
the
wood
that
is
used
for
the
faux
wood
panel
on
the
ornamental
fence
and
the
the
fence
around
the
trash
enclosure
and
you'll
also
see
some
faux
wood.
That's
on
the
on
the
building.
These
all
are
being
going
to
be
complementary.
Wood
products.
E
I've
mentioned
a
couple
of
times.
The
Education
and
Training
get
acquainted
yard
that
is
located
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
That's
directly
connected
to
the
community
room,
the
surrounding
fence
of
that
area,
and
the
intake
yard
is
going
to
be
an
ornamental
metal
fence
with
faux
wood
panels.
E
Switching
over
to
the
Northeast
corner
of
the
building,
sorry
Northwest
Northwest
corner
of
the
building.
We
have
another
get
acquainted
yard
that
will
be
used
by
the
public
that
will
be
have
along
the
north
side.
Of
that
that
yard
we
will
actually
have
an
extension
of
the
building
that
will
be
a
solid
screened
wall.
E
E
The
get
acquainted
yard
on
the
other.
Three
sides
is
going
to
have
an
ornamental
metal
fence
the
isolation
run.
The
three
behavioral
runs
I'm
kind
of
running
down
the
west
side
of
the
building.
Here,
naming
off
these
different
dog
runs,
and
then
the
two
dog
runs
that
are
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building.
Those
are
all
going
to
have
chain
link
fence.
E
All
right
now,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
floor
plan.
There's
a
couple
of
major
organizational
elements
to
the
floor
plan.
The
first
you
can
see
with
the
different
color,
the
red
versus
the
blue.
The
red
area
is
indicating
a
public
space.
This
is
space
that
the
public
is
able
to
come
in
interact
with
animals
that
are
ready
for
adoption
interact
with
staff.
E
E
Another
organizational
element
is
that
we
have
two
different
species
that
are
in
this
building
and
it's
really
critical
for
the
success
rate
of
the
animals
to
make
sure
that
these
species
are
separate.
They
have
to
be
separate
orally.
They
have
to
be
separate
visually,
they
have
to
be
separated,
but
from
smells
so
we
were
placing
almost
all
of
the
cat.
E
Well,
all
of
the
cat
holding
areas
and
the
adoption
areas
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
all
of
the
dog
areas
are
located
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
with
a
small
exception
of
the
dog
intake,
which
needs
to
be
down
in
the
North
or
the
south
east.
In
the
Southeast
corner
of
the
building.
E
All
right
here
are
two
of
the
elevations,
the
north
elevation
and
the
South
elevation
you'll
notice
that
we
have
a
strong
horizontal
lines
for
the
entire
facade.
The
the
facade
is
stepped
towards
a
high
point.
That's
where
the
kind
of
close
to
the
main
entrance,
these
horizontal
lines
and
the
stepped
nature
of
the
walls
help
the
building
fit
within
the
context
of
the
site
and
the
surrounding
areas.
E
We
also
have
a
high
canopy
at
the
entry
area
to
help
designate
that
this
is
the
entrance
and
we
have
a
clear
story:
that's
located
over
the
top
of
the
the
public
Lobby,
it's
really
critical
for
retail
and
and
for
stress
to
keep
natural
light
throughout
the
building.
So
the
windows
are
really
quite
critical.
E
You'll
also
notice
that
there's
a
pretty
dramatic
shift
from
the
areas
where
we
have
high
windows
and
kind
of
a
Whimsical
play
of
fenestration
that
is
located
on
the
north
wall
of
the
Earth
East
wall
of
the
of
the
building.
E
The
the
playful
windows
are
located
where
cats
are
going
to
be
housed
and
the
high
windows
are
located
where
dogs
are
going
to
be
housed
and
both
species
really
need
natural
light
in
order
to
reduce
stress
levels,
but
views
being
able
to
see
cars
being
able
to
see
people
walk
by
agitate
the
dogs
and
cause
a
tremendous
amount
of
stress.
So
it's
quite
critical
that
we
control
the
views
in
these
areas,
while
the
cats
do
not
have
that
problem.
E
In
addition
to
the
hive,
canopy,
that's
at
the
main
entrance,
we
also
have
a
low
canopy,
that's
located
at
the
intake
area
and
also
providing
protection
for
the
the
food
pantry
area,
the
walls,
the
facade
is
primarily
brick
masonry
in
composition,.
E
And
oh
and
it's
important
to
note
the
clear
story
provides
a
natural
screening
of
the
mechanical
equipment,
that's
located
in
the
on
the
roof
that
provides
screening
at
the
North
to
the
north,
but
we
have.
We
will
be
providing
horizontal
metal
louvers
to
screen
the
east,
south
and
west
side
of
that
mechanical
equipment.
E
We
will
also
be
installing
two
signs.
There
will
be
a
large
aluminum
letters
sign
indicating
this
is
the
Evanston
animal
shelter
and
we'll
be
providing
a
smaller
aluminum
sign
panel
that
will
have
the
Evanston
animal
shelter,
association's
logo
and
name.
E
E
Additionally,
we
do
not
get
large
deliveries
at
this
facility.
Most
of
the
facility
of
the
deliveries
occur
with
smaller
vans.
There
is
one
delivery
every
week
that
occurs,
that
provides
a
pallet
about
one
pallet
of
food
and
it
takes
about
15
minutes.
We
do
not
believe
that
it's
appropriate
to
size
this
birth
for
that
15
minutes.
Once
a
week
we
were
not
providing
cover
for
the
loaning
birth.
We
are
only
partially
screening
it
as
that
which
is
available
in
the
intake
yard.
E
Additionally,
we're
asking
for
an
allowance
to
provide
16
parking
spaces
in
lieu
of
the
25
that
has
been
indicated.
E
The
zoning
administrator
has
indicated
that
this
building
the
category
for
this
building
that
best
fits
is
a
retail
building
mm-hmm
and
if
you're,
to
do
the
calculation
with
the
8810
square
feet,
we
get
25
spaces.
We
believe
that
this
is
substantially
more
than
what
is
necessary
for
the
facility
I've
described
how
many
people
use
the
facility
at
any
given
time
we're
talking
about
two
or
three
patrons
over
the
course
of
a
couple
of
hours.
E
E
The
first
is:
if
we
consider
the
front
of
house
of
retail
space
and
the
back
of
house
and
Industrial
Service
space,
we
do
the
the
square
foot
calculation
and
we
get
16
spaces.
F
Just
had
one
and
and
it
sounds
like
I
I
had
a
bunch
of
questions
written
down,
I
read
the
original
report
and
and
including
some
staff
concerns,
and
it
seems
like
you've
addressed
all
of
them.
I
think
but
I
had
one
question:
what
is
the
property
to
the
South
directly
to
the
south
of
this
facility?
So.
E
E
E
F
G
Thank
you,
chair
I,
had
a
question
about
the
the
Future
Path,
the
on
Oakton.
G
E
E
There
is
an
outside
chance
that
they
will
need
to
bump
in
to
our
property
because
of
a
bus
depot.
I
say
our
property
is
all
us
right,
so
we
will
be
accommodating
that
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
bus
depot
has
sufficient
space
for
an
ADA
Compliant
station.
Thanks.
A
I
have
just
a
couple
questions
think
a
lot
of
them
have
been
already
answered.
What
are
the
hours
of
operation
in
terms
of
adoption
hours?
We
talked
about
the
difference
in
time
when
people
are
accessing
the
building.
What
are
the
current
adoption
hours
for
the
facility
and
are
they
planning
to
stay
that
way?.
E
So
the
current
plan
for
the
adoption
hours
is
or
their
current
adoption
hours
are
two
hours
on
Friday
two
hours
on
Saturday
and
two
hours
on
Sunday
I
believe
that
it's
like
three
to
five
on
Friday
and
Saturday,
and
then
it's
earlier
in
the
afternoon
on
Sunday
I
could
be
wrong
on
that.
It
is
available
online.
A
And
I
don't
expect
you
to
know
everything
about
the
operations
of
the
animal
shelter
itself
being
a
public
works
person,
but.
E
A
The
other,
the
other
question
concern
I,
have
is
a
lot
of
places
like,
especially
in
the
intake
area.
There's
one
gate
are
there
concerns.
Has
it
been
addressed?
You
know.
Dogs
are
very
stressed
during
intake
in
particular
and
tend
to
bolt,
and
so
that's
why,
on
like
a
dog
park,
you
traditionally
have
a
vestibular
vestibule
area
and
I'm,
not
seeing
that
was
consideration
given
to
that.
Was
it
so.
E
The
animals
specific,
so
you
mentioned
sorry
at
the
intake
area.
The
animals
will
be
in
a
vehicle
and
under
control
when
they
come
in
and
the
gate
will
be
able
to
be
shut
behind
the
vehicle
and
that
will
provide
a
space.
So
the
actual
intake
yard
becomes
the
vestibule
in
order
to
get
them
into
the
intake
part
of
the
building
and.
E
You
know,
that's
not
the
only
way
that
it
happens,
but
that's
the
way
it's
supposed
to
happen.
So
sometimes
people
will
leave
the
dogs
attached
to
a
post,
sometimes
they'll.
So
there's
there's
unfortunate
situations,
but
the
intent
is
for
animal
for
an
appointment
to
be
made
and
during
that,
during
that
appointment,
making
process,
there's
a
series
of
questions
that
the
animal
shelter
Association
will
ask
the
person.
E
That's
relinquishing
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
they're
going
to
be
doing
during
that
process
in
order
to
try
to
divert
the
animal
from
the
shelter
in
the
first
place
right.
So
there's
this
relationship
that
gets
established
at
that
moment
in
time.
That's
really
critical
to
the
way
that
the
shelter
operates.
A
And
then
one
other
thing,
I
noticed
on
the
the
floor
plan.
There's
a
wildlife
room,
yes
and
I'm.
Guessing
that
is
I,
find
a
an
injured,
squirrel
and
I.
Don't
know
what
to
do
with
it.
So
I
take
it
to
the
animal,
shelter
and
sort
of
say
here's
this
entry
squirrel
please
do
something
with
it
is.
Is
that
the
intent
of
the
wildlife
room
I
mean
this?
Isn't
a
this?
Isn't
a
place
where
people
are
coming
and
adopting
Wildlife?
A
Obviously,
but
it's
more
so
if,
if
Animal
Control
finds
an
injured
animal
and
can't
get
it
to
a
a
rehabilitation
center
immediately
that
they
can,
they
can
hold
it
temporarily.
You.
E
Are
absolutely
correct:
it's
a
very
rarely
expected
to
be
used
feature
of
the
building.
It
was
a
specific
requirement
as
a
part
of
our
rant
with
the
Cook,
County
and
I
believe
that
it
has
to
do
with
deer.
There
is
also
an
issue
with
pigs,
occasionally
that
they
pick
up,
and
so
they
wanted
to
have
a
space
that
would
be
able
to
accommodate
that,
because
there
are
not
very
many
animal
shelters
that
can.
A
I
helped
find
a
an
animal
shelter
for
a
bunch
of
baby
possums
and
had
to
go
to
like
Elgin
or
somewhere
like
that,
because
their
mother
had
been
killed
and
people
reached
out
to
me
and
said
help
us
find
a
home
for
them.
So
that's
where
we
ended
up
taking
them,
but
I'm
assuming
this
is
along
the
lines
of.
If
someone
just
shows
up
with
an
animal
there,
it's
not
something
that's
being
advertised
or
a
service,
that's
being
provided.
But
if
someone
shows
up
with
an
animal,
it
can
be
accommodated,
at
least
temporarily.
E
E
Believe
it
is
actually
we
expect
that
the
animal
will
probably
be
pretty
stressed
out
when.
E
Will
not
want
to
move
very
much
so,
although
it's
not
an
acceptable
place
for
a
deer
to
remain
for
any
length
of
time,
the
animal
shelter
will
be
working
very
hard
to
move
it
to
some
place.
That's
more
appropriate
right
very
quickly.
E
H
Have
a
couple
of
questions
with
respect
to
the
food
pantry?
Do
users
of
the
food
pantry
make
appointments?
You
know
how
is
that
accessed?
Is
there
a
sidewalk
I
couldn't
really
quite
tell
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
so.
E
So
we
will
be
providing
a
sidewalk
that
goes
from
the
parking
lot
to
this
rear
area.
Again
this
is
supposed
to
be
provided
via
appointment,
so
they
want.
They
want
you
to
call
and
then
start
a
relationship
with
them,
and
then
they
provide
the
food
for
free
and
that's
where
you'll
be
picking
it
up.
Okay,
there's
a
that,
you
will
actually
enter
into
the
building,
you'll
be
processed
and
have
a
conversation
and
and
then
they'll
give
you
the
food
kind.
E
H
So
if
it's
by
appointment,
then
that
could
you
know
I
presume
that
those
hours
would
not
overlap
with
the
adoption.
H
E
Is
true
and
it
spreads
it's
spread
out
over
the
course
of
the
whole
week,
but
two
to
three
for
Monday
through
Thursday
and
then
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday
about
six.
H
Okay
and
then
one
other
question
with
respect
to
the
one
pallet
of
food:
that's
delivered,
will
is
there
going
to
be
an
issue
with
vertical
clearance,
for
whatever
truck
is
delivering
the
pallet
of
food?
So.
E
E
Is
clear
vertically
at
the
intake
area
until
you
reach
the
canopy,
that
is
over
the
doors,
so
there'll
be
a
curb
that'll,
stop
the
vehicle.
J
Can
I
have
a
question?
Thank
you.
So,
regarding
entrance
and
exit
from
the
site,
I
see
that
most
of
your
plans
show
only
let's
call
it
the
West
property.
J
Only
the
first
and
the
last
one
show
the
actual
exiting
entrance
this
one.
So
is
it
one
in
the
same
phase
of
construction
that
will
happened
over
there
so
that
you
have
the
full
entrance
or
you
will
stage
it
so
that
first,
you
do
the
West
lot
and
then
anything
that
is
to
the
east
or
the
property
line
between
the
two
properties.
E
It's
a
little
early
for
me
to
answer
that
question
definitively,
because
I
need
a
contractor
with
Logistics
plan
in
order
to
confirm
which
site
where
they're
going
to
start.
My
expectation
is
that
they'll
use
the
curb
cut.
That's
existing
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
at
the
beginning,
as
they
work
on
on
the
east
side,
but
they'll
have
to
they
have
to
demo.
E
E
Phasing
issues
that
we're
going
to
have
to
address
with
the
contractor,
because
we're
going
to
be
using
the
recycling
center
as
the
temporary
facility
for
the
dogs,
not
the
cats,
just
the
dogs,
and
so
we
will
have
to
maintain
access
to
that
building
in
that
site.
During
the
course
of
construction,
which
we
will
do
with
the
the
easternmost
curb
cut
until
we
can't
and
then
we
will
use
so
we
have
to
get
all
of
this
staged
very.
E
Bites
so
the
that
the
lights
are
going
to
be
a
part
of,
and
so
will
the
curb
cuts
probably
should
have
mentioned
that
I
may
have
failed
to
the
Oakton
Street
Corridor
Improvement
project
is
going
to
do
the
curb
cut
all
of
the
work
that
is
located
on
the
public
way.
That
project
is
going
to
be
performing
that
work
on
the
public
way,
so
the
curb
cuts
and
the
traffic
signal,
that's
all
going
to
be
done
by
them,
and
the
traffic
signal
timing
will
be
performed
by
that
project.
E
The
intent
is
for
that
project
to
be
under
construction
during
the
course
of
the
summer
of
2023,
so
we
should
be
aligned
but
there's
a
whole
lot
of
good.
It's.
C
A
With
that,
we
will
close
the
record
and
begin
the
deliberations
again,
reminding
everyone
that
this
being
a
plan.
Development
Special
use,
does
make
this
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
but
I'll
ask
Commissioners
if
they
have
General
thoughts
on
the
project.
H
Just
that
it's
long
overdue,
so
I
think
that
aligning
the
the
entrance
with
the
existing
traffic
you
know
light.
That's.
There
is
a
good
idea
and
I
think
that
you
know
I
think
you
know
parking
should
not
be
a
problem
and
if
there
was
ever
a
problem,
there's
plenty
of
spark
parking
space
in
the
the
you
know:
shopping
center
lot
right
across
the
street.
A
H
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
do
have
a
set
of
standards
that
we
must
find
are
met
and
we'll
be
going
through.
Two
sets
of
Standards
the
first
one
I'm
going
to
go
through
are
the
standards
for
a
special
use
to
those.
A
There
are
nine
standards
that
we
have
for
a
special
use.
The
first
one
is
that
it
is
one
of
the
special
uses.
Ident
are
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
We
do
find
that
a
kennel
is
permitted
in
an
I2
District
using
a
special
use,
so
that
standard
is
met,
number
two.
It
isn't
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time
to
time.
We
do
look
to
rehabilitate
facilities
and
locations
whenever
possible.
A
Number
three
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
on
the
city
as
a
whole.
We
do
look
and
looking
at
the
site
in
particular,
there
is
retail
space
to
the
north
of
it
I'm
a
community
garden
and
a
large
open,
our
largest
open
Park
to
the
south
of
it,
and
it's.
A
It's
also
has
retail
and
Industrial
spaces
to
the
west
and
again
the
park
kind
of
wraps
around
to
the
east
with
the
recycling
center
there
so
I
don't
see
how
this
will
have
a
negative
effect
on
the
area,
especially
with
the
Improvement
of
the
curb
Cuts
being
removed
as
part
of
the
Oakton
plan
for
revising
Oakton
Oakton
number
four,
it
does
not
interfere
with
the
diminished
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
I'll.
A
Just
reiterate
the
fact
that
I
did
that
I
just
said
that,
basically,
this
is
an
industrial
area
and
has
no
immediate
residence
residential
neighbors
and
therefore
it
should
not
have
a
a
value
on
the
should
not
affect
the
value
of
properties.
In
the
area
number
five.
It
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services,
it's
being
undertaken
by
our
public
works
department,
so
I'm
assuming
they
will
address
anything
that
that
needs
to
be
taken
care
of
in
Terms
of
public
facilities
and
services
number
six.
A
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion,
I
believe
it
actually
will
improve
the
traffic
in
the
area
by
removing
some
of
the
curb
cuts
and
having
the
only
entrance
for
the
area
be
at
a
stop
light
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historic
and
Architectural
resources.
There
really
are
none
at
this
particular
site
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
environmental
features.
A
We
did
hear
discussion
about
the
improvements
that
will
be
planned
for
the
Landscaping,
removing
several
scrub,
trees
and
other
on
unsavory
Landscaping
elements
and
building
a
landscape
plan
for
this
area,
so
that
one
is
met
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
at
The
District,
in
which
it
is
located
and
other
applicable
ordinances
again.
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
the
city
would
violate
their
own
ordinances
and
so
I
believe
this
standard
is
met.
A
Everyone
in
agreement
with
my
findings
on
special
use
standards,
and
with
that
now
we
will
go
to
the
standards
for
plan
developments
number
one.
The
requested
site
development
allowances
will
not
have
a
substantial
and
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
and
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
That
is
beyond
a
reasonable
expectation.
Given
the
scope
of
the
applicable
site
development
allowances
of
the
plan
development
location.
This
is
not
a
change
in
the
operation
on
this
particular
site.
A
The
proposed
development
is
compatible
with
the
overall
character
of
existing
development
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
subject-
property
again
and
kind
of
looking
at
this
as
being
more
of
a
retail
type
establishment,
which
staff
has
has
said
they
view
it
as
there's
retail
directly
across
the
street
and
Oakton
is
one
of
our
retail
districts.
So
therefore,
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
Number
three:
the
development
site
circulation
is
designed
in
a
safe
and
logical
manner
to
mitigate
potential
hazards
for
pedestrians
and
vehicles
at
the
site
and
in
the
immediate
surrounding
area.
A
We
we
do
see
that
the
curb
cuts
are
being
minimized
removed
and
that
the
the
increase
of
of
pedestrian
traffic
along
that
side
of
Oakton,
as
well
as
the
automobile
traffic
that
will
be
coming
and
going,
will
all
be
regulated
by
lights.
Improving
the
safety
in
that
particular
area
number
four:
the
proposed
development
aligns
with
the
current
and
future
climate
and
sustainability
goals
of
the
city.
A
We
didn't
really
hear
a
lot
of
testimony
on
this,
but
we
do
see
that,
instead
of
having
lots
of
paved
surfaces,
for
example,
that
we
will
be,
we
will
be
maintaining
natural
surfaces
on
the
ground
where
possible
for
the
animals
or
the
dogs
to
be
using,
and
therefore
I
believe.
That
is,
that
is
done
as
well
as
the
fact
that
a
building
built
today
has
to
be
more
energy
efficient
than
something
that
was
built
in
1984
or
whenever
this
one
was
particularly
built.
A
I,
don't
know
that
the
site
development
allowances
in
particular,
but
obviously
having
an
improved
shelter
for
dogs
and
cats
and
potential
wildlife
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
does
provide
a
great
benefit
to
people
in
the
City
by
both
providing
people
who
are
looking
for
dogs
and
people
who,
unfortunately,
must
surrender
their
animals
a
safe
and
quality
place
in
which
to
do
so.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
also
is
met.
A
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
finding
on
those
standards
and
I?
Think
I
have
one
more
set
of
do?
I
have
one
more
set
of
standards
or
am
I
done.
C
A
If
you
bring
those
up,
I
will
run
through
them,
so
the
public
benefits
this
is
I.
Can
pull
this
up
on
my
machine,
so
I
can
take
a
quick
look
at
it
and
I
don't
have
to
read
those.
A
So
these
are
the
public
benefits
intended
to
address
the
impacts
that
development
has
on
the
community.
First,
one
preservation,
enhancement
of
desirable
site
characteristics
in
open
space.
We've
talked
about
how
this
this
being
a
former
industrial
space.
A
It
kind
of
will
need
remediation
done
on
it,
but
it
also
will
will
be
maintained
as
green
space
for
the
use
of
dog
dog
runs
things
like
that,
and
that,
therefore,
the
this
particular
area
is
obviously
not
being
paved
over
and
made
into
a
huge
parking
lot
or
covered
lot
line
to
lot
line
by
any
sort
of
a
structure.
So
I
believe
that
standard
is
not
a
pattern
of
development
that
preserves
natural
vegetation
and
topographic
and
geologic
features.
A
A
A
The
preservation
and
enhancement
of
historic
and
natural
resources
have
significantly
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
city,
I've
kind
of
addressed
this
already
in
some
of
the
other
standards
that
there
really
is
nothing
historic
about
this
property.
Nor
is
there
any
sort
of
a
natural
resource
that
we
are
trying
to
maintain
the
use
of
design,
landscape
or
architectural
features
to
create
a
pleasing
environment
or
other
special
development
features.
A
Obviously,
this
is
a
much
nicer
looking
building
that
kind
of
takes
into
account
some
of
the
surrounding
area
and
is
being
developed
in
such
a
way
that
it
feels
like
it
fits
in
with
the
surrounding
buildings,
at
least
as
they
exist
now.
I,
don't
know
what
the
plans
are
for
the
recycling
center,
but
under
the
current
situation,
it's
it's
a
nice
basically
tall
one-story
building
that
creates
a
a
nice,
a
nice
style
that
feels
natural
to
the
area,
provision
of
a
variety
of
housing
types
in
accordance
with
the
city's
housing
goals.
A
A
The
elimination
of
blighted
structures,
incompatible
uses
through
Redevelopment
or
Rehabilitation,
as
I've
mentioned
before,
we'll
be
carrying
down
a
building
that
is
several
decades
old
and
no
longer
really
fits
the
purpose
that
it
was
originally
created
to
use,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
we
will
be
seeing
improvements
in
terms
of
of
making
the
the
a
more
modern
construction
that
makes
it
a
more
efficient
construction
and
it
will
comply
with
the
city's
green
goals
in
the
climate
action
plan
that
the
city
has
adopted.
A
Business,
Commercial
and
Manufacturing
development
to
enhance
the
local
economy
and
strengthen
the
tax
base
does
not
really
apply
in
this
particular
case.
This
is
a
not-for-profit
organization
that
is
run
by
the
city,
but
does
provide
a
very
important
service
to
the
city
and
works
with
some
other
organizations
in
the
area
in
order
to
try
to
keep
dogs
off
the
street
and
and
that
improves
the
quality
of
life
for
people
and
their
pets
in
the
area.
A
The
efficient
use
of
land
resulting
in
more
economic
networks
of
utilities,
Street
Schools,
public
grounds
and
buildings
and
other
facilities
I,
don't
know
that
this
really
it
matters
a
lot.
In
this
particular
case,
we've
talked
about
some
of
the
issues
surrounding
the
Improvement
of
the
infrastructure
that
will
be
occurring
along
Oakton,
and
this
ties
in
nicely
with
that
plan.
A
The
substantial
incorporation
of
generally
recognized
sustainable
design
practices
and
or
building
materials
to
promote
energy
conservation
and
improved
Environmental
Quality,
such
as
lead,
silver
or
higher
certification.
I
know
that
this
doesn't
tend
to
file
for
a
lead
certification.
We
didn't
have
any
discussion
about
at
what
level
it
was
going
to
be
done,
but
obviously
again
going
back
to
the
fact
that
a
modern
building
is
definitely
a
much
more
efficient
and
environmentally
friendly
building
than
one
that
was
built
several
decades
ago.
A
So
that
covers
off
on
all
of
the
standards
that
we
have
to
run
through
was
there
there
were
some
conditions
that
the
city
had
talked
about,
putting
in
place
those
being
the
trash,
recycle
enclosure
be
made
of
a
durable
non-porous
material
that
matches
the
building's
primary
materials
that
all
signage
Illustrated
on
the
proposed
elevation
be
subject
to
a
separate,
signed,
permit
review
and
that
the
proposed
would
Lam
are
the
proposed
proposed
wood
material
on
the
exterior
elevations,
be
replaced
with
imitation
wood
or
a
similar,
similarly
compatible
material
subject
to
approval
by
the
Community
Development
Department.
A
One
thing
that
I
would
just
add
in
obviously
the
first
one,
this
being
a
a
facility
that
will
produce
a
large
amount
of
dog
waste
that
the
city
takes
special
care
to
make
sure
that
any
enclosures
are
rat
proofed,
because
rats
love
dog
feces,
it's
one
of
their
special
treats
and
they
will
go
out
of
their
way
to
get
to
it.
So
anything
that
can
be
done
to
help
maintain
the
security
of
that
enclosure
and
and
the
regular
inspections
of
it
to
make
sure
that
it
does
remain
secure.
A
I
would
add
into
that
first
condition,
any
other
conditions
that
people
feel
might
be
appropriate.
H
Sure
I
move
approval
of
the
proposed
special
use
and
plan
development
application
for
22.
H
Plnd-0025
22
22
to
2310
Oakton
Street,
with
the
addition
of
the
three
conditions.
The
the
trash
recept
trash
and
recycle
enclosure,
be
a
bit
more
durable,
non-porous
material
that
matches
the
building's
primary
materials
and
is
guards
against
Rat
and
other
infestations
that
all
signage
Illustrated
on
the
proposed
elevation
be
subject
to
a
separate
sign.
H
Permit
review
per
chapter
6-19
of
the
zoning
ordinance
that
the
would
that
the
proposed
wood
material
on
the
exterior
elevations
be
replaced
with
imitation
wood
or
a
similarly
compatible
material
subject
to
approval
by
the
Community
Development
department.
So,
just
to
restate,
I
recommend
approval
of
the
the
application
and
by
the
commission
for
forwarding
to
the
city
council.
A
If
not,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
J
A
A
We'll
move
on
to
the
next
case.
We
still
don't
have
the
applicant
I,
don't
believe
for
321
Howard
Street,
no.
B
He
is
not
able
to
attend
this
evening
so
that
you
may
dismiss
the
case
or
you
can
do
a
motion
to
continue
to
your
next
regularly.
A
Scheduled
meeting
I
would
recommend
that
we
move
approval
or
that
we
continue
it
for
one
one
meeting,
because
we
don't
know
exactly
why
they
aren't
able
to
be
here
if
everyone
else
is
in
agreement
with
that.
A
I'll
just
ask
for
a
motion
to
continue
it
to.
Is
there
a
meeting,
that's
better
than
any
other
meeting.
H
A
Moved
is
there
a
second
move
by
Linville
seconded
by
mirinchev,
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
I'm
just
going
to
do
this
one
on
a
Voice
vote,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye.
C
H
A
Opposed
with
about
a
six
to
zero,
that
matter
is
continued
to
our
November
9th
2022
meeting.
There
will
be
no
notice,
no
additional
notifications
issued
on
that.
A
So
that's
when
we
will
hear
that
particular
case,
then
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
case
on
the
agenda,
which
is
3331
Dartmouth
Place
22,
zmjv
0065.
This
is
an
appeal
from
the
zoning
administrator.
Would
you
please
read
that
into
the
record.
D
Jason
Wool
deck
property
owner
appeals
the
zoning
administrator's
decision
to
partially
deny
minor
zoning
relief
case
number
22,
ZM
nv0049
to
construct
a
six
foot
solid
fence
with
a
zero
foot.
Setback
from
the
street
side
yard
property
line
where
two
feet
is
required.
Section
6467
f2b
to
allow
the
fencing
setback
less
than
three
feet
from
the
front
facade
of
the
building
section
6467
f2c,
and
to
allow
the
six
foot
solid
fence
within
the
eight
foot
by
eight
foot
sight
triangle
that
is
required
at
the
intersection
of
the
driveway
and
the
property
line.
D
D
Section
6467e
the
appellant
was
granted
zoning
relief
to
allow
the
fencing
setback
less
than
three
feet
from
the
front
facade
of
the
building
and
was
granted
zoning
relief
to
allow
the
six
foot
solid
fence
within
the
site
triangle,
subject
to
a
four
foot:
Street
side
yard
setback
and
was
denied
zoning
relief
for
a
zero
foot,
Street
side
yard
setback,
the
appellant
appeals,
the
partial
denial
and
requests
approval
of
the
six
foot
solid
fence
within
the
site
triangle,
with
a
zero
foot.
Setback
from
the
street
side
yard
property
line
in
the
R2
single-family
residential
district.
A
A
quick
question
for
the
zoning
administrator,
which
yard
have
you
determined
to
be
the
front
yard
and
which
is
the
side
yard
Crawford.
D
Is
the
front
yard
and
Dartmouth
place?
Is
the
street
side
yard
so
in?
In
summary,
of
of
everything
that
was
said,
what
is
really
in
question
is
the
appellant
would
like
fencing
somewhat
within
the
site
triangle
and
I'll?
Let
him
go
into
more
detail
on
what
exactly
that
is.
I.
A
Just
wanted
to
clarify
that
that,
although
the
address
is
on
Dartmouth,
it
is
the
side
yard
in
this
particular
property.
Correct.
Thank
you.
If
you
please
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
vlobec.
If
you
would,
please
tell
us
about
the
particular
case.
I
So
we
leave
the
universal
for
about
20
years.
Last
year
we
were
lucky
enough
to
secure
this
place,
so
we
moved
in
painted
cleaned
it.
You
know
this
year
we
started
looking
outside
our
yard
and
we
said
well,
nice
open
yard
is
a
nice
idea.
It
looks
great,
but
we
need
a
little
more
privacy.
I
So
you
know
we
started
our
project
and
we
ran
into
the
problems
with
zoning
and
coding,
so
pictures
of,
like
page
16268
from
the
pocket
so
I'll
show
you
what
we
did
so
far.
I
I
F
I
Okay,
yes,
that
red
line
is
okay
kind
of
where
the
property
line
is
so
so
that's
set
back
now.
Another
picture
is
going
to
show
the
side
and
then
we're
gonna
see
the
back
of
the
fence,
which
shows
the
corner.
That's
in
the
question.
I
I
We
build
it
just
for
the
purpose
to
show
how
it
looks
and-
and
now
let's,
let's
look
at
our
goals.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here,
we're
looking
to
have
privacy
and
no
noise
which
clearly
that
doesn't
protect
our
privacy
and
how
how
this
started
is
we
moved
the
AC
from
the
center
of
the
building
to
the
side
yard
and
the
guy
who
was
sitting
it
out
there
he
says:
are
you
putting
it
here
in
the
plain
view
I'm
like
why?
I
Well
people
steal
AC's
in
Chicago,
you
should
build
a
fence
up
around
it
or
something
like
that.
Okay,
so
we
were
thinking
well,
smaller,
bigger
yard.
We
decided,
okay,
let's,
let's
make
it
as
big
as
possible,
so
we
can
enjoy
the
whole
property.
So
we
started
the
process.
In
the
meantime,
it
was
mid,
August
or
mid-july.
I
think
my
wife
was
Home
Alone.
Somebody
came
jumped
on
the
AC
climbed
to
the
window
and
he
looked
inside
of
the
house.
I
So
I'm,
looking
at
this
small,
tiny
fence
and
I'm
like
this,
doesn't
protect
me
from
anybody
hiking
to
my
yard
and
walking
around
and
taking
whatever
they
want.
So
so
this
is
our
grave
concern.
I
understand
that
there
is
a
problem
with
the
safety
when
we
are
backing
out
our
vehicle
to
the
right-of-way,
but
I
have
to
point
out
that
this
is
very
quiet
street.
This
is
a
dented
Dead
End
Street,
with
seven
houses
on
it.
We
don't
have
any
pedestrian
traffic
across
our
house.
People
drive,
they
don't
walk.
I
I
F
I,
don't
have
a
question
I
I,
just
I
I
went
to
this
I
went
past
your
your
site
and
I
think
you
know
it's
it's.
There
is
no
sidewalk
here
and,
and
there
never
will
I,
despite
what
is
in
the
report
about
public
works,
I
think
saying:
yes,
we
well
we'll
plan
a
sidewalk.
There's
never
going
to
be
a
sidewalk
here
it
just
doesn't.
F
It
doesn't
require
it
so
therefore,
and
I
I
I,
believe
you
when
you
say
there
aren't
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
pedestrians
because
there
isn't
a
sidewalk
and
I
also
think
that
this
is
a
single
car
garage,
correct
and
the
code
is
written
for
driveways,
which
could
cover
a
lot
of
of
different
types
of
driveways.
I.
Think
the
the
issue
is,
is
there?
Is
there
going
to
be?
Are
there
going
to
be
pedestrians
coming
along
a
non-existent
path
that
are
going
to
be
heard
by
a
car
coming
out
of
that
driveway?
F
That
won't
see
them?
That's
the
issue.
I
think
this
is
such
a
minor,
a
concern
and
I
think
the
bigger
concern
is
the
privacy
of
of
your
yard.
That's
just
my
opinion,
not
a
question
but.
H
I
was
a
little
confused.
One
of
the
diagrams
suggested
a
kind
of
a
diagonal
across
correct.
I
That,
once
you
know,
we
were
going
back
and
forth
and
I
was
trying
to
find
something
that
would
satisfy
the
city
city
said.
Well,
you
can
have
the
fans
the
way
you
like
it,
but
you
have
to
move
back
four
feet
from
the
property
line,
so
at
this
point,
I'm
already
using
losing
80
80
feet
of
the
property,
because
that's
the
code
and
I
I
have
to
set
back
because
there
is
a
sidewall
coming
now.
Another
two
feet
is
160
feet
that
I'm
losing
just
to
get
rid
of
the
triangle.
I
H
I
H
That
could
be,
but
I
am
you
know:
I
I
live
in
a
situation
where
I
I
deal
with
the
site.
You
know
flying
sites
both
on
on
streets
in
my
neighborhood
and
my
alley,
so
I'm
fairly
sensitive
to
providing
the
sites
triangle
I
mean
that's
just
my
particular
and
I.
Guess
I'd
like
to
ask
staff
I
I
understand
that
that
at
this
point
you
know
the
the
decision
was
made,
so
you
couldn't
very
well
undo.
D
In
part,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing,
the
the
true
measurement
for
the
site
triangle
starts
at
the
intersection
of
the
driveway
and
the
property
line.
Okay,.
H
D
Correct
so
actually,
if
we
go
to
the
next
couple,
photos
I
tried
to
keep
going
until
there's
some
some
red
lines
on
them.
There
you
go
okay,
so
that's
more
of
the
true
measurement
of
what
the
required
site
triangle
is
given
that
there
there
may
be
an
opportunity
to
reduce
the
required
site
triangle
by
some.
C
A
A
I
Yeah
and
then
let
me
point
out
one
more
thing:
you
know
side
triangle
is
going
to
be
there,
but
there
is
this
big
bush
in
the
back
that
that
blocks
the
view
anyways.
A
D
I
think
most
of
it
was
covered,
perhaps
just
to
clarify
that
the
original
variation
approval
it
basically
gave
two
options.
It
was
either
comply
with
all
funds
regulations,
which
means
the
fence
needs
to
be
to
set
back
two
feet
from
the
property
line
and
then
comply
with
the
entire
site
triangle.
D
Or
if
the
entire
fence
was
set
back
four
feet,
then
it
could
extend
into
that
site
triangle
with,
with
the
thought
being
that
it's,
it's
only
covering
a
very,
very
small
portion
of
the
site
triangle
at
that
point,
just
with
how
that
triangle
measurement
works
out,
so
staff
did
attempt
to
to
try
to
find
a
happy
medium
that
would
still
ensure
safety.
A
Hearing
none
Mr
beloved.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
say
in
summation?
A
Okay,
he
is
just
for
the
record
I'm
going
to
State,
since
you
were
not
a
microphone
that
he
has
no
further
comment.
Therefore,
we
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberations.
A
This
is
an
appeal
and
therefore,
whenever
we
hear
an
appeal,
we
hear
it
de
novo,
meaning
that
we
can
review
things
that
were
not
in
the
original
decision
and
kind
of
view.
It
as
a
case
that's
being
brought
to
us
initially
on
on
the
merits
that
it
has
I'm
getting
to
the
variations,
because
these
are
different.
So
the
standards
of
approval
for
offense
are
different
than
our
typical
variation
standards.
A
Are
you
going
to
bring
this
up
there?
They
are.
D
A
Are
three
of
them?
The
first
one
being
the
requested
variation
will
not
be
material
of
detrimental
to
the
to
the
public
welfare
or
injurious
to
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
neighbors.
A
Let's,
let's
we
have
to
reopen
the
record
if
you
want
to
ask
questions
of
the
of
the
Appellate
okay.
F
Well
but
I
think
it's
it's
irrelevant
to
this
standard,
because
it's
about
it's.
A
So
that's
that's
why
that
I
mean
when
we
look
at
zoning
it
it's
it.
We
don't
take.
We
try
not
to
take
into
account
the
individual
people
who
live
in
the
specific
sites,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
reopen
the
record
unless
somebody
wants
to
override
that
decision.
Staff.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
this
is
the
one
where
I
think
kind
of
the
the
Crux
of
it
is
in
terms
of
of
the
the
potential
public
welfare
and
injurious
use
of
the
area.
A
The
site
triangles
are
created
with
an
intent
to
try
to
prevent
people
from
suddenly
appearing
from
behind
a
fence
into
a
driveway,
and
so
I
I
think
we
should
have
some
level
of
of
a
site
triangle
is
the
is
the
eight
foot
necessary
we've
already
seen
that
it's
been
moved
back
two
feet
already,
which
would
create
basically
a
six
foot
difference
that
we're
talking
about
now?
A
But
I
do
not
believe
that
this
standard
has
been
met
and
I
would
be
willing
to,
as
we
move
further
to
discuss
how
we
can
make
it
met
through
some
mediation
of
coming
to
an
agreement
for
something
that
isn't
as
strict
as
the
letter
of
the
law,
but
also
is
not
quite
as
loose
in
interpretation
as
allowing
it
to
exist
in
the
space
that
the
talent
is
looking
to
place
it.
A
The
second
one
being
the
additional
screening
additional
height
or
requested
location
achieved
through
the
variation
will
assist
in
reducing
noise
screening,
incompatible
adjacent
uses
or
increased
safety
to
the
owners
or
the
subject,
property
or
budding
properties.
Obviously,
having
a
six
foot
fence
is
the
best
in
terms
of
security.
It's
very
difficult
for
most
people
to
scale
a
six
foot
fence,
although
it
can
be
done.
A
It
also
does
provide
a
level
of
screening
so
that
people
can
enjoy
their
properties,
especially
people
who
live
on
a
corner
in
which
their
side
yard
or
their
rear
yard
becomes
part
of
the
public.
Viewing
from
the
public
way
on
like
a
traditional
home
in
which
the
backyard
is
screened
from
the
public
way.
I
believe
this
standard
is
met.
Number
three
in
no
event
shall
A
variation
be
granted
that
would
permit
a
fence
taller
than
30
inches
to
be
located
within
20
feet
of
the
corner,
curb
line
of
an
intersection.
A
This
is
not
applicable
because
this
is
not
a
a
corner
intersection.
This
is
a
driveway
intersection
that
we're
looking
at
so
I.
Don't
believe
that
this
standard
applies
in
this
particular
case.
So
that's
that's.
My
findings
on
the
standards.
I
know
there's
going
to
be
some
discussion
and
disagreement
on
those.
So
let's,
let's
have
that
discussion
now.
G
I
agree
with
your
findings:
chair
it
standard
a
I,
don't
see
that
as
being
met,
the
detrimental
to
the
public
welfare
part
I
just
want
to
Second
what
Coalition
commissioner
lindwell
said
about.
You
know
safety
safety
to
pedestrians.
G
G
L
A
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
there
is
a
a
date
certain
for
for
any
sidewalk
improvements.
It's
it's
a
it's
an
initiative.
The
city
is
undertaking,
but
it's
not
like
next
summer
this
is
going
to
occur
or
in
even
five
years
summer.
This
is
going.
L
K
Sure
my
my
understanding,
Liz
Williams
planning
manager-
thank
you.
So
my
understanding,
from
speaking
with
our
city
engineer,
is
that
the
city
council
has
recently
passed
some
resolutions
to
essentially
develop
a
plan
to
install
sidewalks
across
the
city.
So
staff
is
currently
working
on
that
plan.
It
is
going
to
take
time,
but
but
that
that
is
something
that
they
have
been
directed
to
do
so.
I
can't
tell
you
for
certain
because
it
hasn't
yet
been
finalized
when
those
sidewalks
would
be
installed.
C
B
That
Katie
ashball
planner,
if
I
may
it
would
be
rather
challenging
condition
for
staff
to
enforce
knowing
the
timing
of
when
the
sidewalk
is
being
improved
and
when
the
fence
should
be
lowered-
and
you
know,
should
the
current
property
owner
no
longer
reside
there
and
own
the
property
and
telling
a
future
property
owner.
Sorry,
you
have
to
reduce
your
fence.
That
may
be
a
little
problematic
so
from
an
enforcement
and
administration
of
that.
We
would
advise
against
that.
F
Foreign-
maybe
we
should
discuss
compromise
here
because.
J
C
A
F
I
think
the
as
the
zoning
code
reads,
it's
a
little
ridiculous
for
this
situation.
I
personally
think,
however,
I
think
safety
is
important
and
and
if
there's
one
child
that
gets
run
over
by
a
car
in
this
situation,
I
mean
that's,
that's
horrible.
F
H
D
H
A
diagonal,
a
four
foot
sight
line
and
again
you
have
to
remember
it's
from
the
property
line,
not
where
the
fence
is
because
they've
already
this.
H
A
A
No
I
I
would
say:
that's
not,
okay,
not
the
case,
because
the
main
the
main
traffic
is
going
to
be
on
a
street
right
and
it's
the
intersection
of
the
street
that
doesn't
see
as
much
traffic.
A
A
F
A
But
I
don't
know
if
that
creates
any
issues
in
terms
of
building
the
fence.
I
wouldn't
think
it
would
yeah
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
yeah
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
would
not
create
an
issue
in
any
way.
A
So
I
would
be
willing
to
propose
a
four
foot
site
triangle.
If,
if
everyone
feels
that's
a
a
compromise
and
again
that
would
be
two
feet
in
from
where
the
current
fence
structure
stands
or
is
proposed.
So
it's
four
feet
from
the
property
line:
four
feet
from
the
driveway.
A
Yes,
so
that
we
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
be
putting
in
a
70
opacity,
we
wouldn't
be
putting
in
a
three
foot
height
or
four
foot
height,
whatever
it
is
required
there.
So
it
would
require
a
six
foot
fence,
the
entire
the
entire
run
of
the
fence,
including
the
diagonal.
H
Right
because
the
the
you
know,
the
fence
is
already
there
set
back
two
feet
so
we're
you
know
so
the
of
the
three
variations
requested.
You
know
we're
really
down
to
the
site
triangle.
That's
the
only
it's.
The
only
thing
you
know
section
of
the
fence
is
the
issue
right.
I
understand
this
correctly.
C
D
A
Okay,
so
with
that
I
will
ask:
is
there
a
motion
to
basically
Grant
the
appellant,
the
right
to
build
a
his
a
six
foot,
continuous
run
fence
with
the
agreement
that
the
site
triangle
would
be
set
back
four
feet
from
the
prop
where
the
property
line
meets
the
driveway.
A
F
And
you
know,
when
I
draw
a
picture
of
that
when
I
draw
a
picture
of
that
it.
It
makes
more
sense
to
me
to
because
it's
already
set
back
two
feet
to
have
an
additional
two
feet
on
the
south
and
then
two
feet
off
the
driveway
and
then
that
diagonal.
F
The
issue
the
issue
is
the
pedestrian
to
driver
and
and
I
I.
Just
don't
know
that
an
addition,
an
additional
two
feet
from
the
from
the
driveway
is
going
to
help
it
that
much
I
I
just
don't
see
it.
It
seems
like.
F
No,
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
it's
it's
only
more
room
on
the
side
of
the
car.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
the
the
the
the
diagonal
the.
F
I'm
just
saying
that
I
think
that
that
I
I
would
I
would
say
that
that
accomplishes
what
we
want
to
accomplish,
which
is
to
improve
the
view
from
the
from
the
driver
to
The,
Pedestrian
or
pedestrian
to
the
driver
or
the
car
I
I.
Look
whatever
you
guys
that.
F
L
Fact
we're
trying
to
come
to
compromise
here
and
I.
Think
2-4
I
would
support
two
two
feet
from
the
driveway
four
feet
from
the
from
the
it's.
It
gets
you
the
sight
line,
and
you
know
if
we're
trying
to
find
a
compromise
and,
by
definition,
we're
sort
of
moving
away
from
the
ordinance
right
so
yeah.
That
would
be
my
view.
I
would
support
what
commissioner
Howick
is
just
outlined.
A
I
think
I
think
four
feet.
Four
feet
is
a
compromise
and
that's
what
that
that's
half
of
what
what
is
required
by
the
ordinance.
So
that's
where
I
would
like
to
go
so
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
for
that.
G
Mr
chair
yes,
motion
to
Commissioners.
D
A
Is
carried
over
until
we
can
get
the
remainder
of
the
votes
was
that
was
that
all
we
were
checking
legally
I
could.
G
A
B
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
all
the
Commissioners
for
not
making
him
have
to
come
back
and
wait
for
additional
votes
to
come
weeks
in
the
future.
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
also
glad
that
we
were
able
to
reach
a
compromise
with
that.
We
will
move
on
to
the
last
item
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
which
is
a
text
Amendment.
This
is
a
text
amendment
that
we
referred
to
staff
to
look
into.
A
As
many
of
you
recall
the
the
situation
at
999
Howard,
the
Ann
Rainey
apartments,
in
which
we
were
asked
to
look
at
the
change
of
the
facade,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
whether
it
should
be
before
us.
What
was
a
minor?
What
was
a
major,
a
text
or
I'm?
D
City
initiated
toning
ordinance
title
VI
to
clarify
and
modify
the
process
for
adjustments
to
planned
adjustments
to
development
plans
for
plan
developments.
Section
63612,
the
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case
per
section
6346
of
the
Evanston
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92021.
B
F
Thought
one
of
the
big
issues
was
that
we
don't
want
to
be
presented
with
a
fatal
complete
and
how
do
you
prevent
that
I
thought
that
was
really
what
we
were
talking
about,
in
other
words
that
what
happened
was
someone
comes
to
us
and
says:
well,
we
had
these
issues
come
up,
and
so
we
had
to
change
them
aside,
but
we
you
know,
and
then
here
we
are
and
it's
built.
A
F
But
I
thought
that's
the
situation.
We
don't
want
to
get
into
I
thought
that
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
create
a
process.
Yes,
a
process
where
there
would
be
an
interim
review
of
during
construction,
because
what
happens
now
is
that
is
that
a
an
applicant
gets
a
permit
and
it's
based
on
certain
drawings.
The
next
time
they're
reviewed
is
when
the
building's
built
and
they
they
want
an
inspection.
K
I
think
chair
Rogers
in
his
statements,
is
accurate.
I
think
that
that
is
more
of
an
administrative
procedural
item
that
we
would
need
to
address
not
a
codified
requirement,
because
we
don't
typically
codify
in
the
zoning
ordinance
our
inspection.
You
know
How
We,
Do
instructions
as
a
city,
so
I
think
that
that's
something
we
could
do
administratively
to
make
that
change
to
you
know,
do
an
interim.
You
know
check
as
it
relates
to
compliance
with
the
development
plans
during
the
the
construction
of
that
and
I.
K
Noted
yeah
I
totally
understand
where
your
point
is
coming
from
that
you
know.
Obviously
we
want
to
be
as
proactive
as
we
can
in
ensuring
compliance
with
approved
plans,
but
I
I
think
the
intent
here
was
to
really
talk
about
the
process
of
what
triggers
a
major
versus
minor.
At
least
that
was
our
understanding
of
the
chairs
referral
to
us.
The.
F
K
It
is,
you
know,
understand
your
point
in
terms
of
the
terminology
of
minor
being,
maybe
not
significant,
but
it
will
still
go
to
the
city
cult
city
council,
which
is
ultimately
the
determining
body
for
Planned
developments
when
they're
issued
in
the
first
place.
So
it's
not
as
if
there
wouldn't
be
some
sort
of
process
or
public
body
that
would
be
reviewing
those
changes
to
grant
them
because.
K
I
believe
that
was
some
of
the
points
of
the
commission
that
was
made
previously
and
I
think
this.
This
is
part
of
the
discussion
you
have
to
have
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
this
addresses.
A
If
they're,
a
part
of
where
we
were
going
with,
this
is,
if
you
look
at
what
is
listed
as
a
minor
adjustment.
Currently
it
involves
moving
the
building,
cutting
Green
Space.
All
this
sort
of
stuff
which
doesn't
come
to
us
I
would
much
rather
see
those
things
come
to
us.
If
those
are
site
allowances
that
are
granted,
you
know,
a
facade
is
important
and
by
by
moving
it
into
a
minor,
doesn't
mean
that
the
zoning
administrator
just
says
yeah
go
ahead
and
do
it.
It
still
has
to
go
through
the
process.
A
It
just
doesn't
come
to
us.
It
goes
through
planning
and
development
and
city
council
in
the
typical
fashion.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
that,
in
terms
of
separating
major
adjusts
and
minor
adjustment,
you
know
it
makes
sense
to
have
the
you
know
the
major
focus
on
the
changes
increases
in
site,
development
allowances
or
density
or
whatever
they
decide
to
do
versus
the
materials.
However,
I
think
that,
probably
you
know
it's
important
to
note.
You
know
the
land,
just
commission,
we
do
deal
with
with
building
materials
and
design
guidelines.
H
But
you
know
I
think
that
this
makes
sense,
but
I
share
your
concern
that
really
you
know
the
the
change
is
supposed
to
be
requested
by
the
developer
and
in
the
last
you
know
with
the
Anne
Rainey
Apartments,
the
developer
didn't
request
any
change
and
should
have,
and-
and
that's
that's
the
Dilemma
is,
is
how
you
build
into
the
you
know
the
administrative
process.
You
know
something
where
you
catch
those
because
I
mean
you
know.
H
The
options
then
are
to
you
know:
have
the
city
not
Grant,
the
you
know
not
Grant
the
occupancy
permit,
at
which
point
you
end
up
in
court.
You
know
being
litigated
which,
to
the
extent
possible
I,
think
we'd
all
like
to
see.
You
know
that
not
be
the
case.
I
do
have
one
question
about
the
process
in
in
terms
of
the
major
adjustment,
obviously
there's
public
notice
and
and
the
whole
you
know,
office.
Zoning
procedures
are
followed
with
the
minor
adjustment.
D
As
proposed,
there
would
not
be
any
notice
that
is
additional.
H
H
A
All
City
Council
meetings
are
publicly
noticed.
So
if
we're
looking
at
adding
an
additional
notification
of
mailing
a
postcard
to
everyone,
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
that.
That's
that's
another
part
of
this
process.
I
want
us
to
kind
of
move
outside
of
just
looking
at
the
one
property
we've
done
the
song,
because
there's
another
property
in
the
city,
that's
being
developed.
That
is
running
into
the
exact
same
problem.
In
that
my
understanding
is
bird
friendly
glass
is
becoming
very
difficult
to
acquire
nowadays.
A
So
so
you
know
this
isn't
just
one
thing
and
so
and
trying
to
find
a
way
to
sort
of
formulate.
How
do
we
divide
these
things
up?
It
made
sense
that
something
that
would
normally
come
to
us
for
a
reason,
because
we
don't
look
at
the
facade
of
every
building,
that's
developed
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
but
anything
that
would
come
to
us
for
a
site
allowance
or
something
along.
A
A
So
the
idea
was
to
try
to
draw
a
delineation
between
what
makes
sense.
So
the
idea
was
something
that
we
have
already
kind
of.
Given
our
approval
to
in
a
recommendation.
We
would
again
have
to
look
at
and
make
a
second
recommendation
on
any
changes
to
that
approval.
A
I
do
have
one
question
because
I'm
it
gets
a
little
confusing
in
the
way
that
we're
wording
this
so
that
a
change
that
would
increase
the
degree
of
an
approved
site
development
allowance.
If
we're
talking
about
parking
and
increase,
is
actually
a
decrease
in
parking
and
a
decrease
is
actually
an
increase
in
parking
on
site.
Correct.
H
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
that's
understood,
because
that's
that's
what
we're
we're
giving
the
the
recommendation
of
approval
for
a
greater
impact.
So
if
a
building
shrinks
in
height,
we
had
one
come
to
us
recently
that
dropped
six
feet
or
something
like
that
and
it
was
put
in
just
because
of
the
parking
change
that
was
going
on
as
well.
A
F
A
A
If
the
process
is
no
notifications,
council
members
can
give
their
own
notifications,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
having
competing
notifications
going
out
either
like
we've
had
before.
J
J
Can
we
enforce
them
because,
for
instance,
in
the
last
example
that
we
had
here
in
front
of
us,
it
was
too
late,
but
the
developer
a
kind
of
a
confessed
that
during
the
process
of
construction
and
during
all
the
inspections,
they
made
the
changes.
But
they
came
to
us
at
the
end
of
the
process
and
probably
I,
don't
know
whether
they
knew
that
this
will
trigger
a
variation
or
not.
But
let's
say
somebody
will
say:
I
didn't
know
that
this
will
have
to
go
through
the
same
process
again.
A
A
To
address
that
is
any
any
plan:
development,
any
special
use
requires
an
ordinance
to
be
written,
and
so
that
would
be
the
logical
place
to
put
it
is
in
the
ordinance
so
that,
as
the
ordinance
grants,
the
various
site
allowance
that
we
with
that
city
council
ultimately
grants
that
we
recommend
that
part
of
that
wording
in
that
ordinance
would
be,
if
a
change
to
and
again
whatever
the
increa,
whatever
the
language
we
come
up
with,
if
there
is
a
greater
impact
created
by
a
change,
it
would
require
this.
A
B
Chair
Rogers,
if
I
may
as
well
I
wanted
to
note
that
you
know
projects,
often
during
construction.
As
you
may
know,
things
can
happen
in
the
field
and
they
can
issue
a
change
order
so
oftentimes.
It
would
just
be
a
post
permit
revision.
So
we
do
have
opportunities
to
review
and
check
if
they
are
compliant
with
something
like
the
plan,
development
ordinance
and,
of
course
the
elevations
are
attached.
So
then
we
can,
as
staff,
make
sure
that
the
materials
in
the
particular
case,
we're
talking
about
with
the
anarini
apartment
building,
are
consistent.
B
I
think
what
the
intent
of
the
amendment
is
and
from
what
I
understand
the
commission's
intent
is
how
to
provide
some
Lev,
some
flexibility
within
the
code
and
what
staff
can
administratively
approve.
So
as
projects
are
not
stopping
halfway
through
or
90,
through
construction
on
duly
without
requiring
further
public
meetings,
because
the
control
production
process
things
can
change
and
as
we've
seen,
the
supply
chain
issues
are
impacting
multiple
developments.
B
But
to
your
point
we
do
check
the
permit
plans
for
compliance
with
the
plan
development
ordinances
that
come
forward,
and
there
is
also
the
permit
revision
process.
If
we've
already
signed
off,
they
need
to
submit
for
we.
We
have
to
basically
review
it
again
and
if
we
flag
it
I
think
in
this
case,
maybe
there
was
a
little
bit
of
delinquency
in
notifying
the
city,
but
that's
the
intent,
I.
A
Think
we
also
have
to
look
at
this
as
a
the
past
two
years
and
probably
the
next
year.
Hopefully
that's
all
the
longer.
It
is
are
kind
of
an
abnormality
we
had
City
staff,
who
was
working
from
home,
who
didn't
have
access
to
certain
elements
of
things
was
not
necessarily
as
responsive.
We
have
developers
who
are
running
into
supply
chain
issues
that
are
happening
and
impacting
more
than
just
a
single
developer,
so
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
this
as
in
five
years.
A
What
is
a
good
policy?
What
is
a
good
process
that
we
have
in
place
and
and
so
I
don't
want
us
to
get
too
hung
up
on
one
or
two
specific
projects
or
properties,
because
I
don't
think
that
these
are
going
to
be
the
norm
once
we
sort
of
get
back
to
and
if
they
do
become
the
norm,
then
we
adjust.
We
rewrite
things
and
adjust
things
at
that
time.
F
I,
just
there's
I'm
stuck
on
one
thing
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
this
and
I'm
sorry
to
use
that
project
as
an
example,
but
in
under
this
new
wording,
if
the
pro,
if
that
project,
if
you,
if,
if
when
they
applied
for
a
inspection-
and
you
guys
flagged
flagged
it
under
this
process
within
that,
go
directly
to
planning
a
development
correct.
D
F
And
my
question
is
in
in
in
in
the
other
wording:
would
it
go
with
the
planet?
It
would
go
to
us
right
in
the
previous
wording.
All
right,
I
guess
I'm,
asking
whether
we're
we're
shirking
our
duties
by
passing
this
along
to
planning
and
development,
and
maybe
they
think
that
maybe
they
want
our
opinion
on
these
things
and
then
right.
What
this
is
doing
is
saying.
No
sorry
you
take
it.
A
We
actually
are
making.
Everything
now
have
to
go
to
a
city
council
level,
as
opposed
to
just
things
that
come
through
us,
because
even
think
things
currently
can
be
decided
by
staff.
So,
if
anything
were
increasing
City
council's
role
in
any
of
these
projects,
yep.
H
No
and
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
you
know
if
you're
looking
at
you
know
decreasing.
You
know
the
changing
the
facade
or
building
materials
or
if
you
can't
get
the
bird
friendly
glass.
Those
are
all
kind
of
City
policies
already
that
that
perhaps
the
city
council
ought
to
know
that
that
changes
being
made
so
that
the
bird
friendly
Evanston
people
don't
show
up.
You
know
a
city
council
meeting
and
say
why
did
staff?
H
You
know:
okay,
A,
different
kind
of
glass,
so
I
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
to
to
have
certain
of
these
things
go
to
the
city
council.
Although
I
think
there
there
ought
to
be
kind
of
some
like
on
the
facade
and
building
materials.
It's
it's
like
you
know,
if
you
or
changing
the
color
or
the
type
of
corrugated
steel
you're,
using
as
a
decorative
trim
I'm,
you
know
it
ought
to
be.
H
The
thing
that
goes
to
city
council
ought
to
be
something
that's
kind
of
dramatically
different
or
a
substantial
change
or
well,
not
as
not
necessarily
as
it's
written
right
now,
it's
either
one
or
the
it's
either
a
major
adjustment
and
it
comes
to
us
or
it's
a
minor
adjustment,
and
it
goes
to
the.
A
H
D
Change
there,
essentially
is:
the
project
must
be
within
substantial
compliance
of
what
was
originally
approved.
So
staff
does
have
that
discretion
to
determine
whether
it
is
substantial
compliance
or
not.
If
not,
then
it
would
correct.
A
I
mean
I
think
it
gets
a
little
confusing
because
we
use
the
term
minors
and
Majors,
but
they
mean
different
things.
When
you're
talking
about
an
adjustment
to
a
plan,
development
versus
a
zoning
variance
versus
offense
versus
everything
else,
it
gets
a
little
confusing
because
everything's
either
a
major
or
a
minor,
but
they
don't
necessarily
correlate
across
the
different
platforms.
I
A
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
we
have
a
proposal
here
that
would
go
to
city
council
with
a
recommendation
from
us.
Is
there
a
motion
to
move
this
onto
city
council
with
a.
A
Have
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
but
I
just
want
to
get
kind
of
engaged
like
is
everybody
kind
of
okay
in
the
direction
we're
going
okay,
so
we
do
have
text
Amendment
standards
that
we
do
have
to
go
through,
but
before
I
went
through
them,
I
kind
of
wanted
to
get
a
general
feel
since
I
go
through
a
lot
of
Standards
you're,
so
good
at
it.
Thank
you
so
the
standards
for
text
amendments
there
are
four
of
them.
A
A
Obviously,
we
are
trying
to
make
things
a
little
easier
for
people
to
understand
a
little
more
logical
in
terms
of
if
it's
something
that
comes
before
this,
this
commission
for
a
site
allowance
granted
our
recommendation
for
a
grant
of
that
that
they
would
continue
to
come
to
us
for
those
things,
but
things
that
are
potentially
more
impactful
that
are
currently
not
coming
to
us
would
come
to
us
and
things
that
are
potentially
less
impactful
would
still
get
go
through
a
process
that
would
go
to
city
council.
A
A
This
kind
of
kind
of
helps
tie
in
to
making
sure
that
properties
continue
once
they
are
approved
by
by
the
city
council
to
to
be
in
substantial
compliance
with
the
the
original
ordinance
that
grants
them.
Their
plan,
development
and
I
think
that
that
that's
a
check
on
making
sure
that
things
do
continue
to
to
be
compatible
with
with
things
around
them.
So
that
standard
is
met
number
three,
whether
the
proposed
amendment
will
have
an
adverse
in
a
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties.
A
Again,
this
is
a
text
amendment
that
tries
to
make
things
a
little
more
clear
as
to
where
things
go,
when
a
change
needs
to
be
made
and
and
who
has
to
make
it-
which
hopefully
will
will
make
things
a
little
clearer
and
allows
for
for
any
any
changes
that
that
will
have
a
greater
impact.
For
example,
the
moving
of
a
building
or
less
Green
Space
will
actually
have
to
come
through
this
commission,
as
opposed
to
just
being
approved
on
the
staff
level.
A
A
I
mean
this:
is
this
is
kind
of
one
of
those
things
where
anything
that
changes
under
the
old
system
with
a
lot
of
the
utility
relocation
that
sort
of
stuff
it
was
a
minor
variation,
it
will
continue
to
be
handled
sort
of
in
the
same
way
and
but
it
will
actually
actually
have
to
be
approved
by
city
council
as
opposed
to
just
being
approved
by
staff.
If
it's,
if
it's
major
enough
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met
as
well.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
Mike
findings
on
standards.
A
I'm
going
to
take
that
as
a
yes,
so
I'll
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
the
text.
Amendment.
H
I
move
that
we
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
text,
Amendment
forward
with
positive
recommendations
to
the
city
council.
J
A
Why
not
okay,
so
I
moved
my
windball
seconded
by
halleck
and
I
will
ask
for
roll
call
vote.
Please.
C
A
With
a
6-0
vote,
the
motion
does
carry
and
it
will
be
moved
forward
to
city
council
with
a
recommendation
for
approval
with
that
one
change
being
included
in
the
language.
A
Let
me
go
back
to
my
agenda
here.
Is
there
any
Communications
from
staff?
Commissioner
Hallock,
are
you
going
to
ask
your
question?
Are
you
going
to
pass
this
week
I.
K
Got
the
mic
ready,
no
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
record
that
we
have
received
a
quorum
for
a
special
meeting
on
November
30th
related
to
the
margarita
in
application
that
has
been
received
for
special
use
permit
and
then
also
just
quickly
comprehensive
Plan
update.
So
staff
will
be
beating
to
start
pulling
together
a
new
outline
for
an
RFP
that
we
will
issue
for
that
update
process.
Our
intention
is
to
Circle
back
and
bring
that
forward
for
more
discussion
date,
yet
to
be
determined.
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
other
issues
that
need
to
be
brought
before
us?
Seeing
none
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.