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A
D
E
F
B
H
G
A
F
Okay,
I'd
like
to
nominate
matt,
rogers.
B
F
I
J
A
Okay,
I
can
take
a
real
call
vote
for
both
of
these
items
or
do
them
separately.
A
B
F
D
B
M
F
G
H
D
N
A
All
right,
the
next
item
for
this
agenda
item
is
election
of
zoning
committee
numbers.
A
G
B
O
I
was
just
going
to
say:
I
know
that
commissioner
westerberg
has
served
on
this
committee
with
plan
commission,
so
I
don't
know
if
she
has
an
interest,
but
I
think
that
she
would
be
a
valuable
member
of
that
committee
as
well.
N
A
Since
we
would
be
looking
at,
I
believe,
five
commissioners
on
each
of
these
committees
there
there
might
be
some
overlap,
and
I
know
once
we
get
further
into
discussion
on
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
comprehensive
plan
committee
at
this
point
is
being
looked
at
as
the
body
that
will
do
more.
With
regards
to
the
implementation,
there
will
be
some
review
of
the
the
document
itself,
but
yeah
the
complaint
committee,
as
it
is
now
we're
looking
at
that
to
be
more
in
the
implementation
phase.
A
G
A
We've
got
director
knight
and
on
the
call,
she'll
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
regarding
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
if
that
helps
at
all,
I
don't
know
if
that
helped.
And
commissioner
victor
you
had
a
question.
P
I
had
a
step
away.
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
the
question
about
the
comprehensive
plan.
I'm
gonna
throw
some
bedtime
at
my
house,
so
it's
a
little
chaotic
on
the
other
side
of
the
door
right
here.
So
I
apologize
for
disruptions.
So
we've
been
working
on
the
request
for
proposals
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
We're
nearly
done.
P
It's
hopefully
going
to
be
issued
in
the
next
month
next
or
next
couple
weeks
and
we'll
solicit
consultants
to
do
the
work
in
coordination
heavily
with
the
land
use
commission
with
members
of
the
public.
We
have,
I
think,
a
really
good
and
unique
way
of
approaching
our
efforts
to
update
our
comprehensive
plan.
Since
we
know
we
only
seem
to
do
one
every
20
years,
it's
pretty
important
and
we
want
to
get
it
right.
P
So
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
work
and
the
statutorily
this.
That
plan
would
come
through
this,
this
body
for
review.
So
I
think,
there's
sort
of
two
pieces-
and
I
don't
know
if
megan
touched
on
this-
there's
one
pers,
there's
one
sort
of
effort
to
develop
the
plan
and
the
second
effort
is
the
implementation,
which
is
just
as
important
as
the
plan
development,
because
we
don't
want
to
plan
to
just
sit
on
the
shelf.
P
We
really
need
to
make
sure
we're
monitoring
the
implementation
of
of
the
strategies
and
the
goals
to
meet
the
objectives
that
are
laid
out
in
the
plan,
so
the
land
use
commission
will
be
that
body
that
will
monitor
some
of
that
implementation,
because
this
is
the
body
that
makes
sure
that
the
plan
is
meaningful
and
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
zoning
code,
which
the
hope
is
at
some
point
down
the
road.
We
we
go
to
update
the
zoning
code
as
well,
based
on
what
is
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
N
It
does
a
little
bit.
I
appreciate
chair
rogers,
vote
on
that,
but
I
would
prefer
not
to
be
on
the
zoning
committee
at
this
time.
A
D
O
A
A
Okay,
I
can
call
a
roll
if
everyone
agrees
with
this
lineup
and
we
can
affirm
this
and
move
on
to
conflict
committee.
C
K
A
A
A
G
D
N
O
A
Okay
and
last
we
have
the
steering
committee
we
would
be
looking
to
have
a
chair
be
nominated
for
this.
You
know,
as
director
knight
and
touched
on.
This
would
be
one
of
the
groups
that
is
created
in
effort
to
review
and
move
the
process
for
creating
the
comp
plan
forward.
O
I
would
like
to
nominate
commissioner
lindwall
to
be
the
chair
of
the
plan
of
the
comprehensive
plan
steering
committee.
B
G
C
R
A
A
B
D
K
A
All
right
so
now
that
we
have
rules,
commissioner
rogers,
if
you
would
like,
I
can
hand
the
reins
over
to
you
or
we
can
keep
going.
O
I'm
fine
stepping
in
at
this
point,
if,
if
you
want
it's
a
little
weird,
I
don't
know
picking
up
in
the
middle
of
the
meeting
yeah
how
to
start
off
the
meeting,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
keep
with
the
agenda
here
with
the
adoption
of
the
2022
meeting
calendar.
O
So
in
our
packet
we
were
given
a
list
of
dates
for
our
twice
monthly
meetings.
If
everyone's
had
a
chance
to
look
at
those
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
them.
O
So
it
has
been
moved
by
caller
and
seconded
by
lindwall.
Yes,
so
if
you
would
call
the
role
please.
S
F
A
O
So
with
how.
D
A
O
I
have
a
quick
question
for
staff
before
we
move
on.
I
know
that
zba
had
a
meeting
recently
for
which
minutes
were
not
approved.
T
We
were
not
planning
to
present
them
to
this
body,
since
not
all
members
present
here
could
technically
vote.
However,
we
do
have
assistant
city
attorney
brian
george,
here,
if
you
would
like
to
clarify,
if
that's
actually
necessary
or
not.
However,
you're
not
wrong
that
there
they
could
indefinitely
be
draft.
U
Yeah,
I
think
minutes
should
be
approved.
I
understand
that
not
all
members
of
the
current
commission
were
members
of
the
zba
so
either
you
know.
This
is
something
that
I'll
do
more
research
on
I'll
get
a
full
better
answer
for
you
after
the
meeting,
but
I
I
think
I
can
envision
a
scenario
where
just
the
members
present
are
able
to
vote
for
it
and
the
others
of
them.
The
non-members
abstain
from
voting.
B
Is
there
a
scenario
where
you
could
have
them
approved
outside
of
the
body
of
a
meeting?
Could
you
email
them
to
everybody
that
was
included
in
that
meeting
and
they
could
improve
those.
O
All
right,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
so
that,
if
that
needed
to
be
taken
care
of,
we
can
arrange
for
that
at
the
next
meeting
and
have
the
members
of
zba
who
are
in
attendance
at
that
meeting
approve
those
minutes,
at
least
so.
They
don't
live
in
draft
form
for
forever.
O
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
I
guess
I'll
kind
of
modify
the
chairs
opening
statement
to
begin
our
meeting
so
good
evening
and
welcome
to
everyone.
O
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
planned
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council
no
need
to
do
the
role
since
we're
already
in
attendance
and
that
a
forum
has
already
been
declared.
O
This
is
a
formal
hearing.
There
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
O
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
an
introduction
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that.
Persons
who
wish
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so
any
person
within
a
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
public
notice
distance
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
O
O
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
of
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
and
on
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
O
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
we
don't
have
a
sign-in
sheet,
so
just
kind
of
maybe
put
your
if
ms
jones
or
miss
spock
and
sort
of
ash
ball
can
sort
of
take
note
as
to
who
is
speaking
will
have
that
record
for
them.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
O
Please
make
sure
that
you
have
your
microphone
on
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded
and
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
on
the
city's
television
station
at
a
later
date
or
its
youtube
channel.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
O
We
have
just
one
item
on
the
agenda
tonight.
The
item
num
our
item
b
at
1946,
orrington
avenue,
has
been
withdrawn,
and
so
I
will
let
anybody
know
who
showed
up
for
that,
that
we
will
not
be
hearing
that
particular
case
this
evening.
O
At
this
point,
I
will
ask
that
anybody
who
thinks
they
may
be
speaking
to
us
on
a
matter
this
evening
to
please
be
sworn
at
this
time
by
raising
their
right
hand
and
turning
on
their
microphone.
So
we
can
hear
everybody
say
that
they
do
I'll.
Give
you
a
moment
to
do
that.
O
At
this
point,
for
those
who
wish
to
speak,
do
you
swear
or
affirm,
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
everyone.
So
with
that
we
will
move
into
the
first
case
that
we're
hearing
the
only
case
which
is
1224
washington,
street
21,
zm
jv
0
100..
O
The
applicant
is
here.
I
believe
I
saw
him
earlier
just
confirming
that
you
are
here.
Yes,
I
am
here
all
right.
Thank
you,
so
miss
jones.
Would
you
like
to
read
that
into
the
record,
or
do
you
want
me
to
do
it?
We've
never
discussed
how
we're
going
to
handle
this.
T
It
is
no
problem
all
right,
so
the
case
before
you.
Let
me
go
to
the
correct
agenda.
Page
all
right:
james
tulia,
the
property
owner
requests
two
zoning
variations
from
the
evanston
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
for
the
subdivision
of
one
9,
226
square
foot,
100
foot
wide
residential
corner
lot
into
two
residential
lots
in
the
r-32
family
residential
district.
T
T
The
subject:
property
1224
washington
street
is
currently
improved
with
one
two-story
building
a
driveway
and
a
patio.
The
applicant
is
not
proposing
any
site
improvements
to
the
property
in
association
with
this.
With
these
requests,
the
land
use.
Commission
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case,
and
the
case
number
for
the
record
is
21
zmjv-0100.
O
Thank
you,
miss
asheville
with
that
I'll
turn
the
floor
over
to
mr
tullio
and
ask
him
to
explain
his
proposal
to
us
and
what
zoning
relief
he
is
seeking.
E
Yeah
this
is
james
tullio,
1224,
washington
evanston.
So
basically,
I'm
asking
the
board,
in
my
case,
to
make
an
exception.
E
I
know
that
the
the
lot
that
I
wanted,
the
various
for
is
not
incompliant,
but
I
think
there
are
many
lots
in
evanston
that
are
compliant.
In
fact,
the
house
next
door
to
me
would
be
is
basically
the
same
size
as
the
lot
that
I'm
trying
to
get
the
variance
for.
So
that's
that's
number
one.
Secondly,
I
think
if
I
can
get
this
experience,
I
think
it's
gonna.
E
As
you
know,
land
is
very
expensive
in
edmonton,
so
I
think
this
will
give
someone
a
possibility
of
of
building
a
home
and
owning
a
lot
in
a
more
affordable
way,
and
then,
thirdly,
and
and
and
most
importantly,
in
many
ways,
I
have
a
non-profit
music
production
school
and
I
teach
and
work
with
high
school
age
students,
mostly
from
eths,
and
I've
been
doing
that
now.
E
This
program
has
been
official
for
about
two
years,
but
I've
been
mentoring,
high
school
students
for
years
like
decades
now
and
right
now
the
building
is
in
jeopardy
and
it's
because
of
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
E
The
big
one
is
covid,
you
know
my
workflow
is
basically
stopped,
but
I've
been
able
to
continue
the
school
classes
and
we've
had
the
way
I
the
way
I've
operated.
The
class
is.
I
have
two
students
at
a
time
and
during
the
heavy
covid
period
we
were
all
masked
up
and
everybody
was
safe
and
nobody
got
sick
from
taking
classes
here
and
I've
never
gotten
code.
E
So
and
then
the
other
reason
is
my
my
my
interest
rate
on
my
mortgage
had
quadrupled
a
few
years
ago,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
really
close
to
losing
the
place,
and
if
I
do,
I
think
the
program
would
end
and
I'm
really
trying
hard
to
hold
on
to
this,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
a
real
community
service
and
I
think
it's
an
important
thing
and
I've
done
in
the
last
two
years.
E
I've
continued
to
stay
on
that
schedule
and
and
will
continue
so
basically,
I'm
asking
for
this
board
to
make
an
exception
for
this
to
save
this
program
and
save
this
whole
thing,
there's
a
number
of
students
online
and
there's
one
here
and
a
number
of
other
supporters.
I
think
willing
to
speak
for
me
and
I
also
have
a
video
if
I
may
show
you
from
matt
bufess
who
was
the
musical
director
at
eths.
He
couldn't
make
it,
but
he
wanted
me
to
show
a
video
if
you'll.
Allow
me
to
do
that.
E
E
T
Do
you
have
the
video
that
you
can
share?
Are
you
able
to
share
your
own
screen
or
do
you
you're
allowed
to.
E
I
I
I
I
V
Is
good
evening
board
members,
my
name
is
matt
bufes
and
I'm
director
of
bands
at
evanston
township
high
school.
I
pre-recorded
this
video
in
support
of
jim
tullio's
application
for
a
zoning
variance
to
sell
his
empty
lot
adjacent
to
his
butcher
voice
to
me.
Regrettably,
I
cannot
be
with
you
live
this
evening
as
our
eths
jazz
ensemble
has
a
gigantic.
T
Jim,
you
muted
yourself,
so
now
you
can't
get
bigger.
V
Help
to
the
edmonton
township
high
school
band
program
during
the
proven
19
pandemic,
jim
helped
us
out
to
record
master
and
align
several
reporting
projects
that
our
students
completed
during
our
remote
and
hybrid
learning
school
year.
These
projects
kept
our
students
motivated
and
the
products
themselves
are
most
impressive.
You
should
check
them
out
on
social.
W
V
Or
youtube
when
you
get
a
chance,
it
takes
a
village
to
support
our
youth
in
evanston,
and
jim
has
proven
to
be
a
real
asset
to
the
student
musicians
in
this
community.
I
respectfully
encourage
you
to
approve
his
application
so
that
he
can
continue
to
mentor
our
students
for
years
to
come.
Thank
you.
O
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
questions
of
mr
twilio
before
I
open
it?
Up
for
questions
are
for
comments
and
questions
from
the
public.
O
I
don't
see
any
hands
from
commissioners
oops.
I
do
see
a
hand,
pressure
lindwall.
F
Yes,
you
indicated
in
the
application
that
your
intent
is
to
sell
the
the
second
lot.
If
it's
it's
created,
do
you
have
a
buyer
in
mind
or
what
is.
E
F
E
Thought
I
did
there
was
someone
interested
but
they're
not
interested
at
this
point.
They
want
a
bigger
lot,
but
you
know
I
know
a
number
of
realtors
I
think,
would
be
able
to
do.
There's.
As
you
know,
there's
very
few
lots
in
evanston
very
few
empty
lots,
so
I
think,
probably
wouldn't
be
too
difficult.
O
D
T
I
had
muted
and
unmuted
myself,
sorry,
chair,
rogers
and
chair
commissioner
mirin
chef,
so
I
believe
what
she
was
referring
to
specifically
as
administrator
melissa
klotz
was
speaking
to
the
compliance
of
the
interior
lot,
meaning
that
it
does
not
other
than
the
lot
size
itself.
There
are
no
other
non-conformities
that
exist
at
present
on
the
property,
because
it
is
undeveloped.
T
The
existing
improvement
on
the
corner
lot.
They,
those
the
only
relief
needed
for
that
property,
is
the
minor
zoning
variation
for
the
impervious
surface.
So
I
believe,
that's
the
meaning
of
what
she
had
put
in
the
staff
report
and
then,
with
regard
to
enlarging
the
interior
lot
to
making
that
lot.
5
000
square
feet
on
that.
T
We
did
review
that
when
the
applicant
came
forward
for
a
zoning
analysis,
but
that
would
have
required
even
more
variations
beyond
the
two
that
are
before
you
currently
to
allow
that
existing
lot
to
remain,
as
it
is
currently
without
any
other,
without
any
sight
improvements,
because
it
would
have
gotten
closer
to
building
lot
coverage.
T
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant.
It
looks
like
from
the
the
photos
that
there's
an
addition
on
the
south
end
of
the
existing
property,
and
can
you
explain
maybe
the
history
of
that
to
help
us
understand?
Normally,
I
wouldn't,
I
wouldn't
necessarily
think
it
matters,
but
it
seems
in
this
point
to
affect
you
know
the
minor
variance
for
the
impervious
surface
coverage.
So
I'm
curious
about
the
context
of
that
edition
and
its
history.
E
Well,
interestingly
enough,
when
I
bought
the
building,
the
city
told
me,
the
the
back
part
of
the
building
is
not
an
addition.
The
brick
part
of
the
front
part
of
the
building
isn't
addition.
The
back
part
of
the
building
was
a
barn,
and
I
was
told
by
the
city
that
that's
the
oldest
building
in
evanston
at
one
point
that
was
built
in
1858
and
at
one
point
they
told
me
that
was
the
only
structure
in
evanston
was
the
barn
and
then
in
the
1890s
sometime
in
the
1890s.
E
They
built
the
brick
building.
I
think
they
actually
cut
the
barn
in
half
and
built
the
brick
building
and
it
became
a
butcher
shop
and
it
was
a
butcher
shop,
probably
for
over
50
years,
and
then,
as
you
know,
if
your
older
evanston
residents
have
been
here
a
while,
then
it
became
a
corner
grocery
store
for
another
50
years,
and
then
I
I
purchased
it
in
2006.
O
If
not,
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
board.
O
O
Okay,
so
with
that
I'll
move
on
to
members
of
the
public,
and
I'm
just
going
to
call
on
you
as
I
see
your
hands
come
up,
so
the
first
name
I
see
is-
and
forgive
me
if
I
mispronounce
it
joe
bc.
O
All
right,
miss
cates,
and
if
you
just
please
tell
us
your
thoughts
on
the
project.
Y
I
would
be
delighted
so
in
my
in
my
professional
life,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
a
statewide
advocacy
organization
called
the
restore
justice
foundation
and
I
have
been
privileged
really
to
get
to
know
jim
tullio
and
butcher
boys
studios
over
the
past
two
years
through
my
son
sorendoor,
who
is
an
apprentice
to
jim
right
now?
Y
Obviously
I
have
some
self-interest
here,
so
I'm
gonna
disclose
that
first,
what
I'd
like
to
say
to
you
is
I'm
also
professionally
advising
mr
tullio
on
the
development
of
the
nonprofit,
and
I
think
the
the
very
short
but
very
important
story.
I'd
like
to
tell
here
is
is
one
of
just
terrible
timing
of
cobid.
Y
So
here's
a
grammy
award-winning,
really
exceptional
teacher
who
has
committed
himself
to
this
community
who
opens
the
studio
and
who
is
using
his
work,
producing
tracks
as
a
business
to
fund
his
basic
philanthropic
and
charitable
effort
of
helping
students
get
into
this
field
and
take
their
passion
for
music
and
take
it
to
the
next
level.
Y
Y
Nobody,
I
had
somebody
who's
started
numerous
nonprofits
and
who's
running,
one
that
I
started
years
ago.
Nobody
starts
a
nonprofit
and
gets
to
full
steam
in
two
years
or
in
three
years,
and
the
timing
of
the
increase
in
expenses.
Not
getting
this
variance
kovid
hitting
really
does
jeopardize
what
is
a
phenomenal
institution
really
for
evanston.
Y
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say
and
probably
something
that
you
wouldn't
experience.
Unless
you
went
there
yourself,
I
was
skeptical
of
butcher
boy
when
it
first,
my
son
first
started
spending
a
huge
amount
of
time
there.
When
I
visited
for
the
first
time,
I
was
overwhelmed
by
the
love
and
care
that
jim
has
put
into
this
building,
and
you
really
need
to
see
it
to
believe
it.
You
can
feel
the
history.
Y
He
has
lovingly
restored
an
historic,
beautiful
building
and
is
putting
it
to
probably
the
most
selfless
and
beautiful
use
possible.
So
I
highly
highly
encourage
you
to
vote
yes
tonight
to
make
an
exception
for
this
really
phenomenal
organization.
There
are
so
many
people
who
are
in
jim's
corner
and
who
will
stand
by
him
and
help
him
make
this
work.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
miss
cates.
I
again,
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
go
down
the
list
here
of
hands
raised.
The
next
person
I
have
is
taran
g.
M
Can
you
guys
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
thank
you,
everyone.
I
appreciate
your
time
I'll
be
quick.
My
name
is
chris
julin.
I
was
jim's
assistant
for
probably
a
good
10
years,
or
so
I
am
head
of
production
and
chief
engineer
for
lincoln
hall
and
shubas
in
chicago.
I
just
want
to
just
kind
of
express
that
the
caliber
which
jim
works
at
is
just
the
highest
that
there
is
and
the
opportunity
that
he's
offering
here
does
not
really
exist
anywhere.
M
It's
it's
truly,
truly
special
and,
as
the
last
speaker
just
said,
I
mean
you,
you
really
gotta
gotta
go
to
his
place
to
to
really
understand
how
incredibly
it's
just
mind-blowing
there
and
this
this
opportunity
for
kids.
It's
you
really
want
this
to
happen.
You
you
want
this
for
the
kids
there's.
This
really
is
so
incredibly
special.
I
have
seen
all
this
stuff
and
jim
is
just
it's
above
everything.
It's.
It
is
so
incredibly
good.
So
I'll
I'll
leave
you
with
that,
but
it's!
This
is
really
something
you
want
in
your
community.
M
There
is
no
better
person
to
do
this.
There's
no
better
place
to
do
this
and
the
circle
that
jim
is
just
works
in
of
where
he's
been
for
the
last
40
plus
years
or
you
know,
whatever
I
mean,
jim's
friends
are
recording
everything
classic
that
you've
ever
heard
of
and
everyone
classic
that
you've
ever
heard
of
I've
sat
in
his
kitchen
with
the
guy
who
recorded.
Imagine
it's
it's
crazy,
okay,
so
this
is.
We've
worked
on
phil
collins.
M
We
worked
on
it's
it's
just
above
anything,
you
can
imagine,
and
you
want
this
for
the
children
of
your
community.
So
that's
all
I'll
say!
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
you
guys
please
let
this
happen.
Thank
you.
W
Yeah
hi,
can
you
hear
me
are
white?
Yes
great.
So,
yes,
my
name
is
ryan
thrile.
I
live
at
1410
wesley
avenue
in
evanston,
I'm
a
former
eths
high
school
student
and
I
was
one
of
jim's
first
students
at
the
butcher
boy
program.
W
I
worked
with
jim
for
about
10
months
and
I've
got
to
say
that
that
program
has
really
altered
my
path
in
life,
and
I
think
it's
made
me
the
person
who
I
am
today,
I'm
currently
studying
music
in
boston,
and
I
don't
think
that
I'd
be
doing
as
well
or
have
as
much
confidence
as
I
do
right
now.
If
I
hadn't
joined
this
program,
just
simply,
what
I
believe
is
that
any
decision
that
will
hinder
jim's
ability
to
run
this
program
or
afford
this
program
is
going
to
hurt
evanston's
community
more
than
help.
W
O
Thank
you.
The
next
speaker
is
jim
tullio,
but
it's
not
jim
tullio.
So
if
you
please
identify
yourself
and
and
make
your
comments
to
the
board.
I
Hi,
I'm
thomas
hart,
I'm
a
senior
at
eths
currently,
and
I
have
been
coming
to
jim's
studio
now
for
over
a
year
and
when
I
first
walked
in
he,
we
made
a
whole
song
together
in
a
grammy-winning
producer's
studio
and
to
me
it
was
like
such
an
incredible
experience
and
the
fact
that
he's
giving
this
to
all
these
kids
that
have
joined
the
zoom
to
speak,
for
him
is
just
like
it's.
It's
such
an
incredible
program
and
the
building
itself
is
magnificent.
I
Any
decision
that
would
take
this
building
out
of
jim's
possession
is,
I
feel
like,
is
the
wrong
one,
because
he's
given
me
so
much
in
studio
time
and
and
gear
he's.
Given
me
gifts,
and
just
it's
been
really
incredible,
and
this
program
is
gonna
help,
probably
like
the
whole
next
generation
of
musicians.
It's
in
evanston,
it's
incredible
truly!
So
that's
all.
I
have
to
say
really,
but
thank
you.
Thank.
O
You,
mr
hart,
neil
gambell.
R
Yes,
good
evening,
everyone
and
thanks
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
talk.
My
name
is
neil
gambo.
My
address
is
927
michigan
avenue
unit
2
in
evanston
60202..
I
you've
heard
a
lot
about
jim.
I
met
jim
about
three
years
ago
because
I
am
the
chair
of
the
mayor's
employer
advisory
council
and
this
council
is
really
dedicated
to
bringing
career
pathway
opportunities
to
young
people
there
that
are
not
necessarily
going
to
college.
R
When
I
ran
into
jim
his
program,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
kids
that
he
was
is
working
with.
Aren't
the
kids
that
aren't
going
are
going
to
college
some
of
them?
Will
some
of
them
may
not,
but
the
work
that
he
did
is
really
creating
opportunities
for
young
people
that
just
need
that
extra
help
and
in
music,
let's
face
it.
Eths
is
a
great
school
but
they're
a
little
bit
limited
in
what
they
can
do
with
music
production,
two
or
two
other
quick
things.
R
I
looked
at
that
picture
of
the
property
that
the
aerial
view
that
showed
the
home
next
door
to
it
on
a
pro
on
a
property
size
about
the
same
size
of
the
the
4200
square,
footer
that
jim
was
trying
to
get
segregated
off.
I
thought
that
was
an
interesting
photo
number
13.
there.
You
go
and
another
item
and
I
I
think
maybe
many
of
you
know
this.
Eths
builds
a
house.
R
Their
geometry
class
builds
a
house
every
year
and
it's
a
1
500
square
foot
house,
but
it's
two
stories
and
it
sits
on
a
a
footprint
of
750
square
feet,
which
is
about
17
percent
of
that
property.
The
as
it
gets
you
know
re-zoned.
So
I
think
it's
plenty
big
enough
for
a
home,
and
I
agree
with
everybody.
R
You
know
housing
as
expensive
as
the
dickens
here
in
this
town
and
any
way
you
can
prevent
or
provide
an
opportunity
for
someone
to
get
into
this
town,
buy
a
small
piece
of
property
and
put
a
house
up.
I
think
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
city.
Thank
you
very
much
for
my
comments
and
I
do
support
jim's
request
for
the
zoning
change.
O
Thank
you,
mr
gambo.
The
next
speaker
I
see
is
martin
andrews.
Z
Hi,
I'm
beatrice
andrews
at
319,
asbury
avenue,
I'm
a
freshman
at
uths
and
I've
been
working
with
butcherboy
since
about
may,
but
it's
been
one
of
the
most
amazing
learning
experiences
of
my
life
like
because
of
this
non-profit.
I
get
to
collaborate
with
incredible
musicians,
my
own
age,
and
also
learn
from
professionals.
G
Z
Songs
now,
and
I'm
so
lucky
that
this
was
my
first
experience,
recording
my
own
music
and
it's,
it's
really
taught
me
so
much
and
I
I'm
so
excited
for
everything
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
learn
and
create
in
the
following
year
because
of
this
nonprofit.
O
Thank
you,
tom
t.
AA
If
you
haven't
listened
to
some
of
it
is
really
incredible,
and
I
encourage
you
to
go
to
the
website
and
listen
to
some
of
this.
So
you
understand
why
so
many
people
here
are
passionate.
On
top
of
that,
I
have
to
say
I'm
really
proud
that,
because
of
jim
you
know,
ryan
is
in
boston
studying
and
he
also
was
able
to
put
out
some
music
on
spotify.
AA
That's
been
well
received,
but
all
of
this
is
possible
because
of
jim,
and
I
know
that
these
guys
are
just
a
small
example
of
you
know
the
number
of
kids
at
eths
who
probably
have
no
idea.
This
exists
and
I
suspect,
once
they
do
find
out
and
once
we're
under
normal
conditions,
whatever
that
will
be
that
students
will
start
flocking
over
there
with
all
kinds
of
music
wanting
to
take
advantage
of
this.
So
I
fully
support
it
and
I
hope
the
board
will
agree
to
grant
him
the
variance.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
mr
thurail,
steve
johnson
you're
up
next.
AB
Thank
you
very
much
going
quickly.
I've
gotten
to
meet
pat
hughes,
who
I
know
has
got
a
hand
raised,
also
introduced
me
to
jim
a
little
bit
ago
and
we
know
a
lot
of
the
same
people
as
you
can
see
from
my
wall
here.
I
grew
up
playing
music
and
I've
recorded
six
or
seven
of
my
own
cds
around
the
city
and
when
you
go
walk
into
this
place,
you're
not
just
walking
into
you,
know
someone's
basement,
recording
studio.
AB
This
has
got
some
of
the
greatest
equipment
that
I've
been
able
to
see
much
less
actually
touch
and
for
students
to
be
able
to
see
that
that's
a
big
deal,
fellow
class
of
86
graduate
steve
gillis,
who
owns
a
baller
recording
studio
in
the
city,
is
also
well
aware
of
this
opportunity,
and
he-
and
I
have
talked
about
if
we
had
this
when
we
were
in
the
music
department
and
in
the
music
programs
at
evanston.
What
that
could
do
both
of
my
sons.
AB
I
was
big
in
on
the
music
program
supporting
them
and
their
work
milo,
having
been
in
all
the
bands
with
some
of
the
guys
that
are
here.
My
son,
luca
who's
friends,
with
some
of
the
guys
that
are
on
here
and
milo
being
a
musician,
was
like
the
idea
of
what
he
could
have
learned
in
a
studio
as
a
musician.
Luca
has
engineered
three
cds
in
our
basement
and
seeing
what
he
would
be
able
to
learn
from
that.
It's
not
just
about
the
opportunity
of
the
musicians.
AB
Music
engineering,
the
stem
that
you
learn
from
that
and
how
critical
that
is
to
be
in
a
laboratory
where
you
can
actually
dive
neck
deep
into
this
kind
of
stem
work
opens
up
a
lot
of
kids
eyes
as
to
oh,
I
didn't
realize
that
was
stem.
I
didn't
realize
I
could
use
math
here
and
engineering
and
some
of
these
other
science
pieces
to
go
with
the
art
and
for
us
to
have
that
kind
of
a
lab
is
huge.
It's
absolutely
huge.
AC
Hello,
I'm
luca
piatoni,
my
address
is
1114
dobson
street
of
his
in
illinois
also
want
to
clarify
different
luca
than
what
mr
johnson
was
referring
to
his
son
also
yeah.
I
just
want
to
say
that
jim
has
been
so
selfless
towards
me
and
a
lot
of
my
friends,
and
he
is
such
a
great
man
for
do
for
starting
this
program
and
doing
this,
and
this
is
truly
just
the
start
of
this
program
he's
only
two
years
in
he's
done.
AC
64
songs
and
I
really
want
to
see
him
do
so
many
more
with
kids
like
far
past.
When
I
leave
evanston
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
it
helps
kids
get
into
college.
It
helps
build
their
portfolios
and
like
this
is
a
dream
come
true
for
musicians
like
this
is
like
as
good
as
it
gets
for
recording
like
it's
just
like
this
is
a
grammy
award-winning
producer.
He
has
great
gear
like
and
yeah
like.
AC
O
Thank
you
for
coming
out
speaking
next
up,
pat
hughes,
all
right.
AD
AD
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
to
the
commissioners,
as
I
hear
I've
known
jim
for
30
years,
and
and
I
love
him
just
like
everybody
else-
and
I've
recorded
three
songs.
So
if
you
all
want
to
hear
it
sometime
I'll
be
happy
to
to
sing
it
for
you
but
just
kidding,
but
I
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
that.
AD
We're
you
clearly
know
we
love
jim
tullio
and
and
this
this
is
providing
a
service
to
there's
a
huge
gap
in
the
in
the
high
school,
not
in
the
high
school,
but
the
high
school
can
only
handle
so
much.
They
don't
have
access
to
this
kind
of
equipment
to
be
able
to
take
kids
to
the
next
level
like
these
kids
are
once
they
enter
that
space.
AD
My
fear
is
that
the
conversation
that
we're
all
bringing
to
you
is
not
the
conversation
that
you,
commissioners
really
want
to.
Have
your
commissioners
are
talking
about
zoning
and
you
know
lot
sizes
and
stuff,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
begging
you
to
not
say
no
tonight
based
off
of
that
and
find
a
way
to
work
with
jim.
I
would
imagine
that
most
people
that
come
for
a
lot
for
variances
bring
an
attorney
and
they
don't
bring
people
gushing
about
the
people
they
bring
an
attorney
and
they
do
things
in
a
different
way.
AD
So
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
appealing
to
you
all
in
a
different
way
that
to
say,
if
there's,
if
you're
thinking
no
find
a
way
to
get
to
yes
and
figure
this
out
with
us,
because
jim
is
a
community
gem-
and
I
don't
know
I
I
just
am
worried
about
what
you
all
are
thinking
as
commissioners
and
the
reality
that
you
all
work
on
and
that
that's
my
concern
right
now
and
that's
it.
That's
all.
I
really
want
to
say
other
than
thank
you
all
for
your
service.
AD
O
You,
mr
hughes,
I'll
just
note
for
the
record.
Commissioner
halek
has
joined
us.
I
don't
know
at
what
point
he
came
in,
but
I
just
saw
him
pop
up
on
my
screen.
O
X
Hi,
I'm
seth
gates,
I'm
at
714
central
street
in
evanston,
and
I
just
want
to
add
on
to
everybo
what
everyone
has
said
and
just
say
that
working
with
jim
has
been
quite
an
experience
and
I've
been
trying
to
pursue
a
career
in
music
and
he's.
X
Given
me
really
helpful
advice
and
really
good
recording
time-
and
I
just
beg
of
you
to
please
make
an
exception
for
him
or
at
least
work
something
out,
because
it
would
be
a
shame
to
see
the
studio
fall
because
there's
just
such
a
huge
music
community
in
evanston,
and
it's
really
brought
us
together.
So
yeah.
O
Thank
you.
I
see
beatrice
andrews,
but
beatrice
andrew
spoke
and
you
don't
look
anything
like
her.
So
I'm
guessing
you're
another
member
of
the
same
household.
AE
I
am
I'm
I'm
her
father,
martin
andrews,
and
I
I'm
the
communications
director
at
inquire,
ed,
which
is
an
inquiry-based
learning
company
and,
and
I
came
into
interaction
with
jim
and
his
studio,
and
I
thought
it
was
the
greatest
example
of
inquiry-based
learning
that
I've
seen
because
they
he
has
set
up
a
space
there
for
students.
That
is
like
a
laboratory.
I've
heard
that
word
a
couple
times
tonight
and
what
happens
in
that
space
is
deep.
AE
Collaboration
and
students
are
building
those
communication
skills,
those
collaboration,
skills
and
jim
and
the
other
professionals
he
brings
in
are
not
there
to
to
tell
students
what
to
do
they're
there
as
guides
and
facilitators.
So
it
is
a
really
strong
example
of
inquiry-based
learning
happening.
That's
just
adding
to
what
students
are
getting
at
eths
and
other
high
schools.
It's
and
it's
the
space
itself.
That
really
supports
that
as
well.
I
also
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
go
to
the
website.
You
know
once
once
I
saw
what
he
was
doing.
AE
I
came
on
board
to
help
him
out
helping
him
with
the
website,
I'm
donating
to
butcher
boy,
because
I
believe
in
it.
So
much
so,
if
you
go
to
butcherboy.org
you'll,
be
able
to
see
like
pictures
of
the
inside
of
the
building
you'll
be
able
to
see
testimonials
from
students
at
the
bottom,
so
you
can
really
gauge
the
impact
of
this
program.
So
I
really
encourage
you
to
to
find
a
way
to
make
this
happen
and
support.
This
awesome
program.
O
AE
O
Andrews
soren's
phone-
if
you
could
identify
yourself,
please.
Q
I
live
at
843
judson,
I'm
currently
working
right
now,
but
I
really
felt
like
I
needed
to
take
the
time
to
say
something
I
met
jim
about
a
year
ago
during
you
know,
probably
one
of
the
hardest
periods
of
you
know
my
young
adult
life,
where
I
was
in
my
senior
year
at
high
school,
basically
about
to
fail,
you
know
was
getting
to
the
point
where
graduating
was
a
challenge
because
of
my
lack
of
you
know,
motivation
to
really
accomplish
anything
in
the
academic
arena.
Q
It's
very
directionless
and
I've
known
I'd
always
wanted
to.
You
know
pursue
a
career
in
music
and
about
a
year
ago
I
think
my
main
goal,
or
my
main
plan
forward
was:
oh,
maybe
I'll
go
on
a
cruise
ship
and
play
base.
Q
Q
Like
six
months
of
my
life,
I
have
really
learned
just
leaps
and
bounds
like
at
a
rate
that
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
It's
nuts-
and
you
know
his
his
program-
was
really
special
and
important
to
me,
and
you
know
it's
something
I'll
and
will
continue
to
support.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
we
didn't
want
to
sell
the
lot
like
this
was
our
kind
of
last
resort,
the
you
know
we
liked
a
lot,
but
it's
come
to
a
point
financially.
Q
O
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
My
name
is
seamus
noonan,
I'm
a
senior
at
uths
and
I
live
at
2409
simpson,
street
and
you'll
have
to
forgive
me.
I
have
to
be
quick,
but
I
wanted
to
comment
in
support
of
jim
and
the
program
because
it
I
am
one
of
the
many
students
who
have
benefited
from
working
with
him
and
that
experience
has
been
truly
life-changing
and
I
think
from
what
everybody
else
has
said
in
this
meeting.
I
don't
really
have
to
explain
to
you
why
it's
been
so
incredible.
J
J
O
Thank
you.
That
is
all
the
hands
I
see
raised.
Have
I
missed
anybody?
If
so
just
tell
me
right
now,
I
see
no
additional
hands
and
hear
nothing
from
anybody.
O
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
the
floor
back
over
to
mr
tullio,
and
I
just
have
one
quick
question
for
you,
which
I
didn't
raise
before.
I've
noticed
there's
a
fire
pit
on
the
property
that
would
be
on
the
property
line,
and
you
are
aware
that
would
have
to
be
removed
because
it
would
be
too
close
to
the
property
line
based
on
standards,
you're,
muted,
still,
sir,
what.
O
I
believe
it
has
to
be
10
feet.
Okay,
staff
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
but
I
believe
it's
10
feet
when
I
looked
it
up
today.
That's
my
big
concern
with
that.
That
would
be
easy
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
So
all
of
a
sudden,
if
it
comes
up
you're,
not
like
oh,
I
didn't
know
that
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
you
if
you'd
like
to
make
a
closing
statement
before
we
go
into
deliberation.
E
Yeah
really,
the
only
thing
I
would
like
to
add
is
I've
done
some
research
and
and
there's
truly
no
other
high
school
music
production
program
like
this
in
the
country
I
mean
this
is
college
level
and
beyond,
and
even
I
think
my
program
from
from
what
I've
seen
and
in
my
experience
I
taught
at
columbia
college
for
17
years
and
they
didn't
have
a
facility
as
good
as
this
and
most
colleges
don't-
and
you
know
I've
been
doing
this
for
over
50
years
now.
E
O
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Huco
you've
raised
your
hand.
L
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
just
one
follow-up
question
for
mr
tullio,
just
hypothetically,
if
you
get
these
variations
and
you
were
then
to
sell
the
property,
what's
this
mean
in
terms
of
you
maintaining
your
operations
ten
years
five
years,
two
years
I
mean
part
of
your
argument-
is
really
about.
You
know
the
importance
of
the
program
you
do,
which
I
applaud,
and
it's
outstanding.
E
Who
is
a
private
benefactor
to
me
and
he
gave
me
a
private
mortgage
which
afforded
me
to
do
what
I
what
I
did
here
and
at
the
time
when
you,
when
you
get
a
private
mortgage,
they
have
to
charge
you
interest
and
the
least
amount
of
interest
they
could
they
can
charge?
You
is
the
bank
to
bank
rate
at
the
time.
E
So
at
the
time
it
was
very,
very
low
and
it
was
locked
in
for
nine
years
so
about
three
years
ago
that
that
nine
years
was
up
and
my
my
interest
rate
quadrupled
so
I've
been
really
struggling
to
pay
the
mortgage
anyway.
The
same
private
benefactor
had
told
me
look
when
he
gave
me
the
private
mortgage.
He
wasn't
taxed
on
that
money,
so
he
he
called
me
last
summer
and
said
my
nickname's
tools,
so
he
said
tools
if
you
can
get
a
variance
to
sell
a
lot.
E
O
Are
there
any
other
questions
from
commissioners
before
chairlift?
Aren't
you
so
used
to
calling
you
chair,
commissioner,
lindenball.
F
Hi,
actually,
your
explanation
just
raises
another
question:
who's
paying
the
property
taxes.
Now
you
are
the
the
your
benefactor
and,
what's
what's
the
what's
the
status
on
that.
Y
I
just
I
want
I
wanted
to
just
very
very
quickly
say
that
this
is
sort
of
germaine
to
what
I
was
saying
earlier.
If
we
I'm
an
experienced
30-year
fundraiser
and
if
we
had
had
a
five-year
runway
to
raise
the
money
to
avoid
the
situation
we
would
have,
but
we
don't
have
that
so
that's
sort
of
the
the
issue
is
selling
selling
the
property
is
that
we
will
replace
any
revenue
needed
to
keep
the
nonprofit
going
through
very
careful,
very
smart,
fundraising
and
growth
over
the
coming
years.
It's
this
initial
burden.
O
Thank
you
with
seeing
no
more
hands.
I
am
going
to
close
the
record
so
that
the
board
can
begin
its
deliberation.
O
O
But
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
look
at
are
related
to
more
specific
standards,
there's
legal
standards
that
we
must
find
or
met,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
going
to
approve
or
disapprove
this
particular
project.
I
just
want
to
make
that
statement
up
front
so
that
everybody
who
came
and
spoke
this
evening
knows
that
during
the
discussion,
we
probably
won't
talk
a
lot
about
what
you
have
talked
about,
because
that's
not
really
what
we're
looking
at.
O
We
appreciate
everyone
coming
out
and
explaining
to
us
how
important
this
program
is,
but
we
have
a
set
of
seven
standards
that
we
must
go
through
and
find
those
to
be
met
in
order
to
approve
something-
and
that's
that's
the
legal
standard
that
we
must
adhere
to.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
before
we
begin
talking,
so
that,
as
you
hear
discussion
among
commissioners,
you
don't
think
we're
ignoring
what
you've
said
or
are
negating
in
any
way
what
you've
said,
but
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
some
different
issues.
O
L
It's
really
more,
mr
chairman,
a
question
for
legal
counsel.
Europe
do
we
have
even
the
ability
formally
to
look
beyond
those
seven
standards
and
bring
in
issues
like
were
discussed
by
the
various
speakers
earlier
or
are
we
really
is
there
any
wiggle
room
to
consider
factors
other
than
those
seven
standards,
as
outlined
in
the
in
the
staff
memo.
U
You're
supposed
to
you're
supposed
to
take
into
account
the
seven
standards.
O
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Lindwall.
F
Thank
you.
I
first
I
I
have
a
question
for
staff
yeah.
I
was
looking
at
the
proposed
plat
of
subdivision
and
then
all
the
signatures
that
are
needed.
Now.
I
understand
from
from
this
that
we're
the
determining
body
for
this,
but
then
one
of
the
things
that
has
to
be
approved
is
the
city
city
council,
approval
of
the
plat
of
subdivision.
F
So
is
that
how
what's
the
sequence?
If
we
you
know
if
we
were
to
approve
this,
would
this
still
go
to
the
city
council
as
kind
of
a
ministerial
function,
or
how
does
that
work?
And
then
I
also
see
that
that
both
the
county
clerk
and
the
chief
financial
officer
of
the
city
have
to
certify
that
all
the
the
you
know,
the
property
taxes
are
current.
T
Yes,
commissioner
lindwall,
so
the
land
use
commission
would
be
making
a
determination
on
the
relief
from
the
lot
size
requirements.
Okay
and
then
to
your
point
as
a
more
of
a
ministerial
role.
The
city
council
would
then
approve
by
resolution
the
plot
of
subdivision.
So
hypothetically.
If
this
lot
hebrew,
it
were
ten
thousand
square
feet
and
you
were
creating
two
five
thousand
square
foot
lots.
T
F
Okay,
thank
you.
My
other
just
point
of
discussion
is
that,
given
the
value
of
this
program,
you
know,
based
on
what
the
the
speakers
have
said
in
the
testimony.
This
seems
to
be
something
that
maybe
you
know
the
applicant
may
want
to
pursue
a
request
for
arpa
funds.
You
know
as
a
way
to
bridge
the
you
know
the
economic
gap
that
is
facing
rather
than
subdividing
and
trying
to
sell
a
lot
for
which
there
may
or
may
not
be
a
ready
market.
F
So
that's
you
know,
irregardless
of
what
the
land
use
commission
determines.
That
may
be
something
that
I
would
encourage
the
applicant
and
and
his
supporters
to
pursue.
O
Thank
you,
commissioner
lindwall
commissioner
zordon.
K
Thank
you.
My
question
kind
of
builds
off
of
commissioner
hugo's
question.
T
So
that
is
something
I
did
kind
of
explain
to.
Mr
twilio
public
benefit,
I
think,
is
definitely
a
more
subjective
approach
and
a
policy
approach
from
the
city.
Obviously
he's
made
clear
that
part
of
the
purpose
for
selling
the
lot
is
such
that
his
tax
he
could
sell
the
lot
gain
the
monies
from
that
and
then
property
taxes
would
ultimately
be
lowered
once
he's
no
longer
in
ownership
of
that.
T
So
I
think
that
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
assistant
city
attorney
brian
george
on
this,
because
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
push
point
I
think
within
the
code,
and
it
is
something
that's
in
state
statute
as
well.
U
Can
you
repeat
the
question
just
so
I
know
I
I
was.
The
question
is
whether
the
testimony
regarding
the
the
studio
would
fall
under
the
is
something
that,
because
could
be
considered
a
public
benefit.
U
Right
that
we
can
consider
you
know,
unfortunately,
I
can't
really
give
a
definitive
answer
on
that.
All
I
all
I
can
say
is
that
the
commissioners
can
consider
the
testimony
today
in
the
comments
today
in
making
their
decision
as
to
whether
the
their
the
variations
or
the
application
meets
the
standards.
U
T
Okay,
senator,
I
think
that
sony
administrator
classes
points
in
the
memo
regarding
whether
or
not
the
zoning
the
land
use
commission
feels
that
the
creation
of
a
new
watch
in
of
itself
for
the
possibility
of
a
new
construction
home
on
a
smaller
lot,
that,
in
theory
economically,
would
be
more
affordable
for
others
to
possibly
purchase
and
buy
where
the
housing
market
in
evanston
otherwise
has
more
expensive
homes.
That
could
be
something
that
this
body
could
consider
as
a
public
benefit
as
well.
T
However,
to
attorney
george's
point
that
isn't
necessarily
something
that
was
provided
during
the
testimony
this
evening.
How,
but
it
was
in
the
staff
report.
B
Well,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
feel
like
this
program
has
got
to
be
important.
It's
got
kids
away
from
the
screens
and
coming
to
testify
at
a
public
hearing,
and
we
hardly
ever
hear
of
that.
However,
I
do
want
to
talk
for
a
minute.
Let
met
matt
or
one
of
the
staff
about
the
land
use
issues
about
the
variants
that
they're
asking
for
it
seems
to
me
like
it
could
be
entertained.
B
Is
there
any
staff
objection
to
it?
I
didn't
see
any
in
the
packet.
O
So
I'll
just
speak
briefly
to
that,
so
my
understanding
is
that
the
zoning
administrator
sought
to
approve
this.
But
when
it
went
to
damper
it
was
not
met
with
approval,
so
we
sort
of
have
contradictory
opinions,
the
zoning
administrator
providing
one
and
the
members
of
dapper
providing
another.
O
H
Thank
you,
chair
rogers.
I
imagine
I'm
feeling
similar
feelings
to
the
rest
of
the
commissioners,
which
is
that
we're
we.
We
were
probably
moved
by
a
lot
of
the
testimony
tonight
and
we
certainly
recognize
the
immense
value
that
this
program
is
providing
to
the
community
and
we
also
feel
stuck
between
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
between
our
our
responsibility
as
commissioners.
Here
to
do
what's
right
with
our
with
our
roles
here
and
I'm
strike,
I'm
I'm
struggling
to
try
to
figure
out.
You
know
how.
H
How
can
we
get
to
yes
and
and
do
it
you
know
in
a
correct
manner,
and
so
I'm
I'm
thinking
through
like
what
are
what
what
are
the
options?
What
are
the
things
that
are,
we
can
preserve,
and
what
can
we?
What
is
important
personally,
I'm
I'm
not
in
favor
of
creating
an
interior
lot
going
forward.
That
is
non-compliant
zoning-wise.
H
H
Quite
yet,
if
that
could
happen,
and
it
would
avoid
any
curved
curb
cuts
to
the
north,
then
I
think
I
could
find
a
way
to
interpret
the
standards
in
a
positive
light
such
that
the
interior
space
would
be
compliant,
and
then
we
would
also
tack
on
a
condition
to
the
corner
lot
in
keeping
with
what
the
zoning
administrator
suggested
on
page
two
of
six
to
not
allow
any
future
rebuild
statuses.
That
is
non-compliant.
H
O
So
I'll
just
jump
in
real
quickly
and
stay
here
I
had
I
had
a
lengthy
discussion
with
the
zoning
administrator
this
afternoon,
because
I
had
similar
feelings
to
you
that
I
would
rather
that
we
make
the
new
lot
that
we
are
creating
as
compliant
as
possible
and
affect
the
the
existing
building
more
so
than
the
future
empty
lot
that
would
be
built
upon
the
problem
with
doing
so
is
that
would
require
a
re-notice
according
to
the
law
department,
because
we
are
changing
which
conditions
and
which
variance
requests
are
being
made,
which
is
something
that
we
can.
O
We
can
request
staff
to
re-notice
it
with
that
being
the
condition
that
we,
the
the
applicant,
has
come
trying
to
make
as
few
variance
requests
as
possible.
O
I
don't
know
if
they're
the
right
variants
requests
is
the
thing
I
would
almost
rather
see
one
more
variance
request,
as
opposed
to
having
the
fewest
number
but
not
creating
a
better
situation.
I
would
rather
see
one
more
variance
request
in
place
and
have
the
lots
be
better
situated
for
what
we
think
the
city
should
be
doing
with
those.
You
know
what
what
the
city
would
like
to
see
done
with
those
lots.
O
So
I
think
I'm
speaking
correctly,
I
don't
know
if
director
knighton
or
the
city
attorney
or
ms
ashbar,
someone
from
staff,
wants
to
speak
to
that,
but
it
seems
like
if
we
want
to
go
down
that
path.
It's
something
we
can
do,
but
it
would
require
a
re-notice
which
means
that
we
would
have
to
place
a
continuance
on
this
particular
matter.
B
B
Agree
with,
I
think
we
should
we
know
this,
and
I
think
we
should
actually
add
that
extra
variance
and
add
that
to
it
I
agree
with
you
and
I
feel
like
we
should
be
able
to
do
this
unless
there's
a
time
deadline
on
this
proposal.
T
Chair
rogers,
if
I
may
speak
to
that,
yes,
so
if
we
were
to
re-notice,
I
guess
first
it
would.
T
We
would
need
to
get
the
consent,
of
course,
of
mr
twilio,
so
he
can
be
the
applicant
for
that
and
make
sure
that
that's
something
he
would
like
to
how
that's
how
he
would
like
to
split
the
property
given
that
when
he
did
move
forward
with
a
similar
request,
I
think
over
a
decade
ago
he
did
have
numerous
variations
requested
to
perform
this
last
split
and
he
was
denied
and
then
he
even
went
forward
and
appealed
that
denial
and
appellate
court
and
it
was
dismissed.
T
So
I
I
just
would
like
to
make
that
note.
We
can
certainly
and
then
as
staff,
we
can
explore
fewer
variations
as
well
and
see
what
that
would
what
that
would
create.
But
I
guess
just
to
provide
some
additional
history
with
not
just
the
property,
but
this
specific
applicant.
F
Yeah,
I
just
I
have
a
real
problem
with
intentionally
creating
substandard
lots,
so,
and,
and
especially,
and
I'm
also
troubled
by
the
necessity
for
the
cross
access
agreement
and
some
of
the
other,
you
know
really
machinations
that
would
have
to
be
in
place
in
order
to
make
this
this
work.
I
would
note
that,
while
the
the
house
to
the
east
is
is
also
a
substandard
lot,
it's
still,
you
know
it's
for
4
600
square
feet
as
opposed
to
the
4200
square
feet.
F
That's
proposed
for
this
subdivided
lot.
So
so
it's
smaller
yet
so
I'm
you
know
I
I.
I
think
that
the
program
sounds
like
a
wonderful
thing
and
I'd
like
to
see
it
continue,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
zoning
variations
are.
You
know,
I,
I
don't
think,
that's
a
rationale
for
making
that
approval.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
coming
down
either
way.
O
I
guess
I'd
like
to
to
take
just
kind
of
a
quick
little
straw
poll
for
commissioners
who
are
there
or
who
are
here
and
sort
of
get
a
feel
for
if
this
is
something
that
we
feel
we
can
move
forward
with
under
any
condition
or
it
sounds
like.
Commissioner
linwall
is
kind
of
leaning
in
the
direction
of
a
not
being
able
to
support
this.
O
Regardless
of
how
we
divide
these
lots,
and
so
I
just
kind
of
want
to
get
a
general
feeling,
because
if
there
are
enough
commissioners
who
feel
one
way
or
the
other,
that
will
direct
kind
of
how
we
move.
I've
noticed.
Commissioner
westerberg
has
unmuted
herself,
so
I'll.
Ask
her.
If
she
wanted
to
speak.
N
I,
like
the
others.
I
think
this
is
a
terrific
program
and
would
love
to
see
it
stay.
I
guess
my
concern
and
my
question
for
staff
is:
what
does
this
mean
down
the
road
when
you
do
create
these
variances
and
you
may
have
to
make
adjustments
later.
It
seems
to
me
a
bit
that
you're
almost
just
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
you're
trying
to
make
a
variation
at
one
point
in
time
they
could
come
back
later
and
cause
some
problems.
N
You
know,
there's
a
problem
with
that
driveway
and
how
that
would
be
accessed
by
both
property
owners.
Should
you
subdivide
it?
There's
concerns
about
storm
detention.
Things
like
that.
T
So
I
think
to
speak.
First,
there's
honest
a
lot
of
properties,
even
if
those
are
much
closer
to
compliance
with
the
minimum
lot
size
can
still
have
issues
depending
on
the
makeup
of
the
block
and
what's
been
divided
and
subdivided
in
the
past.
T
I
do
think
that
if
this
were
to
go
forward,
as
it's
been
presented,
that
adding
the
conditions
of
approval,
as
suggested
by
zone
administrator
klotz,
that
that
can
be
something
that
the
city
can
stand
on
to
prevent
any
future
relief
being
granted.
That
would
not
there
would
not
be
necessarily
a
hardship
or
unique
circumstance.
T
However,
minimum
lot
sizes
in
and
of
themselves
can
also
just
be
challenging.
The
the
city
of
evansen
has
many
non-conforming
lots,
and
we
that's
why
there's
several
minor
variations,
so,
in
effect,
how
the
my
the
lot
sizes
in
the
community
it
as
we
revisit
the
rewriting
of
the
zoning
code?
Is
it
worth
re
evaluating
what
these
minimum
lot
sizes
are
in
certain
districts
and
then
make
some
of
these
lots
then
conforming?
T
So
that's
something
to
look
into.
I
think.
Unfortunately,
this
property
is
just
kind
of
it's
a
case
study
of
what
these
types
of
standards
can
cause
and
create
in
the
community.
However,
the
carp
goals,
as
was
mentioned
at
the
design
project
view
committee
meeting
with
regard
to
impervious
surface
and
flooding.
T
Those
are
all
valid
concerns
as
well
so
and
the
city
is
aware
of,
and
does
recommend,
often
best
practices
with
stormwater
management
that
could
possibly
mitigate
those
issues
on
this
specific
new
lot
and
also
prevent
if
this
property
were
redeveloped
kind
of
address
those
as
well
and
technology
with
stormwater,
can
it's
just
continuing
to
evolve?
D
Thank
you.
I
will
go
with
the
option
that
was
suggested
by
commissioner
pottel.
I
apologize
if
I
don't
pronounce
it
correctly.
I
usually
call
him
max
because
for
me-
and
I
mentioned
this
in
the
the
first
part
of
our
meeting-
I
believe
the
zoning
administrator
showed
some
willingness
to
approve
or
to
suggest
a
solution
with
creating
the
new
lot.
D
The
new
interior
lot
to
be
absolutely
compliant,
which
means
5,
000
square
feet
and
to
leave
the
corner
lot
non-compliant,
and
the
answer
from
the
city
staff
is
also
true
that
probably
this
will
create
other,
maybe
serious,
requests
for
variances,
but
still,
I
believe
it
is
in
the
it
will
help
actually
the
applicant
if
we
can
compare.
D
I
know
that
this
will
be
a
burden
for
the
applicant
to
create
a
second
option,
but
on
the
other
hand,
if,
let's
say
in
in
the
case
that
we
approve
this
non-compliant
interior
law,
who
will
buy
it,
knowing
that
this
will
bring
so
many
troubles
for
any
future
buyer
so,
as
suggested
by
the
chair,
maybe
it's
good
to
continue
exploring
options
for
this
case.
O
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Mr
huco.
L
It's
really
to
follow
up
on
what
commissioner
just
alluded
to
at
the
end.
If
we
were
to
even
if
we
were
to
approve
the
current
subdivision
as
requested,
can
you
build
a
compliant
home
on
that
lot
without
asking
for
variations?
Is?
Is
it
possible,
even
theoretically,
to
build
a
compliant
home
variations
on
that
lot?.
O
Approved
that
you
can
build
on
you
know
a
3
000
square
foot
lot
with
our
new
efficiency
home.
But
in
terms
of
this,
it's
a
92
roughly.
That's
I'm
just
going
to
round
off
92
foot
depth
lot
the
front
yard
and
rear
yard
setbacks
would
total
about
57
feet.
O
So
I'm
not
good
at
math,
but
92.
Minus
57
leaves
you
something
that
would
be
about
30
some
feet
deep
for
the
house
and
then
you
could
go
from.
I
believe
it's
five
feet
from
each
of
the
lot
lines
which,
if
it's
proposed
at
45,
that's
35,
so
you
could
build
roughly
a
35
by
32
footprint
on
on
the
lot
and
be
in
compliance.
O
K
O
I
don't
think
that
that's
what
I'm
proposing,
I
think
what
I'm
what
I'm
talking
about
is
I
get
a
sense
from
some
of
the
commissioners
that
this
proposal
is
not
preferred
that
that
we
would
like
to
see
more
of
the
the
new
lot
come
closer
to
being
compliant
than
the
old
lot.
K
Completely
understand,
I
think
I
if,
if
I
miss,
if
I'm
not
saying
what
mr
marriage
have
said,
then
I
apologize.
That
is
what
I
understood.
Commissioner
miran
chad
was
suggesting
to
have
two
options.
One
you
know
flipping,
which
is
the
50.
Excuse
me
5
000
square
foot
lot
so
that
we
would
have
two
to
consider.
But
perhaps
I
misunderstood
that.
O
Just
in
looking
at
the
properties,
I
don't
know
that
we
can
get
that
interior
lot
to
5000
without
having
to
remove
patios
and
things
like
that,
which
I'm
not
saying
that
we
couldn't
ask
an
applicant
to
do,
but
it
just
becomes
a
bigger
thing
to
switch
the
two
properties
I
mean
my
personal
preference
would
be
to
split
the
lot
down
the
middle
roughly
and
end
up
with
roughly
two
forty
six
hundred
and
ten
square
feet
properties
as
opposed
to
one
five
thousand
and
one
you
know,
four
thousand
one
hundred
or
whatever
four
thousand
two
hundred
whatever
we
were
coming
in
at
making
them
both
a
little
more
in
compliant.
O
K
Sure
the
other
question
is
to
the
city
staff.
Are
we
aware
of
flooding
or
groundwater
issues
in
this
area?.
T
P
Offer
there's
generally,
there
are
concerns
from
our
public
works
department.
There's
concerns
across
the
board.
This
was
identified
in
the
climate
action
resiliency
plan
diverting
stormwater.
Whenever
we
do
review
projects
at
dapper,
you
may
have
noticed
from
the
notes
the
public
works
staff.
The
engineering
staff
is
very
concerned
with
where
the
stormwater
will
be
going
on
any
project,
even
even
small
additions.
Garages
they're
very
concerned
that
those
aren't
directed
on
the
public
way.
P
Our
city
has
spent
lots
and
lots
of
money
over
the
over
many
decades
on
stormwater
management,
and
many
of
us
enjoy
unflooded
basements
because
of
that
work,
so
I
think
they're
very,
very
mindful
of
that,
and
their
diligence
means
we.
We
have.
We
have
that
good
infrastructure,
so
I
think
that's
where
those
concerns
are
generally
coming
from.
O
AF
For
me,
I
came
late,
so
I
apologize
and
I
missed
part
of
the
conversation,
but
I
I
I'd
like
to
see
some
kind
of
something
to
do
something.
There's
been
several
options
thrown
out
there,
something
that
is
palatable
to
all
the
commissioners
to
make
this
happen.
I
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant,
though,
on
on
some
of
these
ideas,
whether
they're,
even
whether
they're
even
options.
O
And
and
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
minute
I
kind
of
want
to
since
we
are,
since
we
have
a
closed
record
right
now,
I
want
to
get
the
commissioners
and
then
we'll
open
the
record
back
up
and
and
have
a
discussion
with
the
applicant
on
that.
So,
commissioner,
johnson,
do
you
have
any
thoughts.
C
Yeah,
I'm
largely
of
the
same
thinking
as
what
commissioner
linwall
expressed
a
couple
minutes
ago,
and
I
I
also
have
additional
concerns
about
the
the
potential
for
flooding,
the
impervious
surface
coverage
exceeding
the
the
allowed
amount
and
just
the
city's
broader
efforts
to
to
mitigate
flood
to
mitigate
flooding,
which
which,
which
you
know
is
relatively
you
know,
common
in
parts
of
the
city,
as
well
as
the
general
overall
climate
action
plan.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
at
this
at
this
time,.
O
All
right,
thank
you,
any
other,
commissioner,
have
anything
else.
They
want
to
add
right
now,
before
I
open
the
record
back
up,
commissioner
fucktale.
O
At
this
point,
I'll
open
up
the
record
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion
with
the
applicant,
this
isn't
for
citizens
who
showed
up
to
speak,
but
I'd
like
the
commission
to
and
staff
to
have
a
discussion
with
mr
tullio
he's
kind
of
heard,
some
of
the
concerns
we
have
and
and
what
what
we're
sort
of
thinking
on
this
project-
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
get
his
feedback
on
it.
So,
mr
tullio,
this
is
a
chance.
You
can
ask
questions
to
specific
commissioners.
O
We
can
have
a
little
bit
of
a
dialogue
here,
but
I
kind
of
want
to
get
your
thoughts
on
it.
E
Well,
I'm
willing
to
work
with
you.
I
think
your
idea
of
splitting
it
in
half
is
a
good
idea.
The
only
thing
that
concerns
me
is
I'd
have
to
get
another
subdivision
plan.
I
assume
it's
really
expensive,
but
I'd
be
willing
to
do
it.
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
initially
I
did
intend
to
make
the
empty
lot
5
000
square
feet.
That
was
my
intention,
but
the
planning
the
planning
office
suggested.
E
I
don't
do
that,
so
I
just
followed
their
lead,
but
I
thought
I
could
live
with
a
small
strip
of
land
on
the
side
you
know
like,
like
surah
had
said
earlier.
I
love
the
lot.
You
know
I'd
love
to
keep
it.
I
just
it's
just
not
possible
right
now
and
then
I
want
to
address
the
the
drainage
thing
I
mean.
E
You
know
for
drainage,
it's
not
going
to
be
it's
that
whole
lot's
not
going
to
be
covered
and
I've
been
here
16
years
never
had
any
water
build
up,
never
had
flooding.
I
have
a
basement,
I
don't.
I
can't
speak
for
everyone
on
the
block
that
I
never
had,
and
maybe
that's
because
I
had
the
lot
I
don't
know,
but
basically
I'm
willing
to
work
with,
with
with
your
suggestions.
O
So
I
guess
at
this
particular
moment,
rather
than
making
a
decision
this
evening,
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
continue
this
so
that
a
discussion
can
be
had
between
mr
tullio
and
staff
about
taking
into
account
the
things
that
they
have
heard
this
evening.
O
O
And
so
that's
that's!
What
I'll
ask
for
at
this
point
is
if,
if
there's
a
a
continuance
request
from
staff,
I'm
sorry
from
the
commission
and
then
a
staff
can
give
us
an
idea
as
to
how
long
that
would
take,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
a
date
certain.
O
So
I
guess
miss
ashbal,
I'm
going
to
look
to
you
real
quick
first.
I
know
we
need
our
two-week
notice
for
the
property,
but
then
how
much
time
do
you
need
to
build
in
for
that
as
well?.
T
So
the
deadline
for
publication
to
be
considered
at
the
february
9th
land
use
commission
meeting.
I
would
need
to
get
that
to
the
tribune
by
this
friday
for
publication
on
january
20th
for
the
january
9th
or
the
february
9th
meeting.
However,
we
would
need
probably
a
little
bit
more
time
to
figure
out
exactly
what
the
variation
the
new
variations
would
be.
T
So
it's
likely
that
the
23rd
of
february
would
be
more
realistic
to
give
us
time
to
look
at
to
address
those
concerns
and
figure
out
what
the
zoning
relief
is
and
then
have.
Mr
trulia
update
his
application
form,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
quickly
the
surveyor
he
was
working
with,
could
turn
around
a
revised
plot.
T
O
So
hearing
that,
mr
tullio,
that
means
that
you
probably
would
not
be
back
before
this
board
before
february
23rd.
Is
that
an
acceptable
timeline
for
you?
Yes,
all
right,
mr
patel.
You've
raised
your
hand.
O
Wait
a
second
I'm
going
to
call
on
okay
on
max
real
quick
who's
raised.
H
Thank
you
yeah,
I'm
happy
with
that
course
of
action.
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
it's
successful
and
it
doesn't
come
back
to
this
this
this
group
in
a
form
that
we
we
still
don't
like.
H
So
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
if
we
accompany
this
instruction
with
perhaps
a
vote
or
a
consensus
from
this
group
about
what
what
we
want
to
see
or
like
right,
for
example,
like
solutions
that
include
xyz
solutions
that
include
this
personally,
I
would
propose
that
we
want
to
see
solutions
that
create
a
fully
compliant
interior
lot
and
I'm
curious
if
people
agree.
O
O
I
guess
that
would
be
a
54
foot
now
I
don't
know
exactly.
I
couldn't
determine
where
that
that
patio
sat
on
the
side.
So
if
we
move
that
over
we're
throwing
the
building
on
the
west
more
out
of
compliance
but
making
a
compliant
lot
so
we're
just
switching
the
two
yeah.
Yes,
so
so
that's
that's
a
possibility.
O
I
think
I'm
more
comfortable
saying
we
would
like
to
make
that
that
interior
a
lot
as
large
as
we
can
and
as
close
to
compliance
as
possible,
without
knowing
exactly
how
close
that
property
sits
on
the
line,
because,
unfortunately,
we
have
measurements
for
the
property,
but
not
for
I'm
sorry
for
the
for
the
building
for
the
structure,
but
not
for
the
the
patio
that's
included
as
well.
O
O
That's
putting
it
a
lot
closer.
That's
throwing
the
other
lot
more
out
of
compliance,
but
the
thing
that's
kind
of
interesting
about
this
is
that
the
particular
building
that
stands
there.
I
mean
we've
heard
the
history
of
it,
which
was
it
was
a
grocery
store
at
one
time,
etcetera,
etcetera.
This
isn't
a
typical
building
that
you
would
find
in
a
residential
district
anyway,
something
you
would
find
more
in
a
b1
b2
district.
O
Probably
so,
there's
a
little
bit
of
weirdness
going
on
here
anyway,
because
when
we
did
the
when
we,
when
we
created
the
zoning
ordinance,
we
sort
of
shoehorned
everything
in
based
on
general,
look
and
feel
of
the
neighborhood
without
it
necessarily
being
a
hundred
percent
in
compliance.
Compliance
to
start
with.
O
T
Yeah
yeah,
may
I
may
I
ask
for
some
additional
direction
from
the
commission
regarding
access
on
washington
and
the
easement
to
the
south.
H
O
Is
there
a
second
for
the
continuance
until
february
23rd?
Second,
I've
been
seconded
by
so
it's
been
moved
by
commissioner
colin
and
seconded
by
commissioner
pogtell
further
discussion,
and
this
is
where
I'm
going
to
ask
staff
to
weigh
in
or
if
commissioners
have
something
in
particular
that
they
way
heavily
feel
heavily.
That
needs
to
be
done
and
we'll
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
can
can
be.
O
You
know,
have
a
have.
A
vote
on
for
the
23rd
is
ash
ball.
T
I
just
staff:
it
had
been
discussed
at
the
design
and
project
review
committee
as
well
as
internally
regarding
access,
because
there's
not
an
active
alley
on
that
block
for
to
give
provide
access
to
the
potential
interior
lot.
So
I
had
heard
some.
I
can't
remember,
which
commissioner
mentioned
it
regarding
a
possible
curb
cut
on
washington,
but
then
there
were
other
and
there
were
other
concerns
about
the
easement.
T
However,
the
if
there
is
an
easement
there
may
be
an
issue
with
providing
enough
width
for
vehicular
passage
through
and
allowing
a
compliant
parking
space
on
the
improved
corner
lot.
So
if
there's
any
opinions
or
thoughts
with
that,
so
we
can
have
mr
truly
update
his
subdivision
plat
appropriately.
O
Sure,
commissioner,
linvall.
F
Yes,
I
would
think
that,
with
respect
to
the
whether
or
not
a
crew
cut
would
be
allowed
on
washington
street,
I
would
like
some
information
from
staff
as
to
what
impact
that
would
have
on
on
that
block
in
terms
of
traffic.
Frankly,
you
know,
I
know
we
don't
want
to
have
more
curb
cuts
than
than
necessary,
but
that
would
certainly
help
alleviate
the
potential
cross-access
issue.
F
The
second
thing
is
you
mentioned
that
this
you
know
what
in
2006
there
had
been
a
previous
attempt
to
subdivide
this
property,
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
us
to
have
a
summary
or
some
information
on
that
discussion.
You
know
what
was
being
proposed,
whether
you
know
so
so
that
we
have
that
as
background
information.
O
Thank
you,
commissioner,
anything
else
that
that
commissioners
would
like
to
see.
H
Yeah
on
the
access,
I
just
like
staff
to
consider
when
they're
looking
through
options,
the
possibility
of
not
an
easement
for
the
park
for
the
driveway,
but
to
give
it
entirely
to
the
interior
lot.
Personally,
I'm
I
mean
where
I
think
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
here
to
like
find
a
way
to
yes
and
that
might
cause
some
some
sacrifices
and
if
the
corner
lot
loses
parking,
that's
that's
a
sacrifice.
I'm
willing
to
accept.
O
Okay,
commissioner
huco,
I
think
I
saw
you
raise
your
hand.
L
L
How
many
of
these
seven
standards
are
still
going
to
be
met?
I
would
argue
almost
none
those
those
issues.
The
standards
issue
doesn't
go
away.
The
variation
standards
issue.
How
do
we
get
around
that,
regardless
of
how
we
wind
up
rejiggering,
the
the
the
actual
you
know,
split
down
the
middle
or
whatever
is,
or
am
I
missing
the
boat
here
or
would
it
be?
Is
there
a
way
that
you
know
two?
Three
four,
at
least
some
of
these
standards
are
met
through
the
rejiggering.
O
G
O
You
you
can
you
can
work
things
out
so
that
they
are
the
best
situation
and
come
into
compliance
the
best
you
can
with
these
standards.
You
know
lots
of
these
are
not
cut
in
stone
like
definite
hard
answer.
They
are
interpretations
of
questions.
O
It
really
becomes
sort
of
a
gray
and
where
I'm
not
saying
we
should
make
things
up
in
order
to
make
things
comply
because
I
would
never
advocate
advocate
for
that,
but
something
like
having
a
substantial,
substantial
adverse
impact
on
adjoining
properties.
That's
a
very
subjective
interpretation
as
to
what
what
does
the
term
substantial
mean?
What
does
the
term
adverse
mean,
and
how
does
that
interpret?
O
How
do
you
interpret
that,
based
on
the
fact
also
that
you're
creating
a
new
lot
that
can
be
developed
as
well
and
the
benefits
that
that
is
bringing
so
there's
there's
a
couple
different
ways
that
you
can
skim
the
cat
so
to
speak
in
order
to
either
place
conditions
so
that
standards
are
met
or
to
make
them
met
through
through
other
things
that
are
happening
in
the
in
the
in
the
property?
At
the
same
time,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
is
you
know
the
zoning
administrator
had
had
mentioned.
O
You
know
not
allowing
for
zoning
variations
on
that
major
zoning
variations
on
the
interior
lot,
and
so
that's
just
something.
That's
an
accepted
means
of
preventing
things
from
from
spiraling
out
of
hand
and
creating
more
adverse
problems
down
in
the
future.
L
I
think
we're
being
honest,
we're
being
very
creative
here,
which
is
you
know
good,
but
you
know
I
think
in
some
of
these
they
are,
they
do
seem
to
be
pretty
black
and
white.
Some
you're
right
could
perhaps
be
you
know,
different
shades
of
gray,
so
but
okay,
that
was
thank.
You
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
O
O
Okay,
so
the
question
before
the
question
before
the
board
is
a
continuance
of
this
matter
until
our
february
23rd
meeting
with
the
conditions
that
we've
discussed,
which
includes
trying
to
make
the
building
trying
to
make
the
two
lots
more
in
compliance
equally
in
compliance
and
not
just
making
one
in
compliance
and
throwing
the
other
one
totally
out
the
window
in
terms
of
lot
size,
as
well
as
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
about
the
parking
and
the
drive-through
parking
with
the
existing
curb
cut
off
of
and
I'm
totally
drawing
a
blank
now
on.
O
What's
the
side
street,
is
that
asberry
asbury?
So
that's
that's
the
question
that's
before
us
right
now
is
whether
to
grant
a
continuance,
so
those
items
can
be
explored
so
with
that.
Ms
jones,
if
you
would
call
the
role
please.
A
All
right
purchase
for
clarification
would
be
february
26.
That
would
be
the
oh.
N
N
N
O
With
a
vote
of,
I
believe,
we're
up
to
10
now
to
zero
the
the
continuance
passes,
and
so
we
will
ask
staff
to
meet
with
mr
tullio
and
address
the
concerns
that
they've
heard
tonight
and
come
back
to
us
on
the
23rd.
With
a
newly
noticed
proposal,
yeah.
O
Yes,
you're
still
in
january,
so
it'll
be
on
february
23rd
that
we
will.
We
will
hear
this
case
again,
based
on
the
discussion
that
we
have
this
evening.
Mr
tullio.
E
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
ask:
do
you
expect
me
to
have
a
new
plat
by
the
23rd
or
I'll
wait
for
the
for
the
decision
and
then
we'll
get
a
plat
on
what
to
do.
O
My
personal
preference
is
that
we
have
a
plan
of
survey
that
shows
existing
conditions
and
there's
the
plot
for
the
subdivision.
I
don't
know
and
I'll
ask
staff.
W
O
Maybe
attorneys,
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
us,
seeing
a
plaque
that
is
drawn
without
all
of
the
preliminary
information
for
all
the
signatures,
and
everything
like
that.
That
shows
exactly
what
the
width
of
the
lot
is
since
that's
what
we
would
be
approving
and
then
based
on
those
widths.
O
T
I
would
chair
rogers
and
mr
julio.
I
think
that
the
plan
of
subdivision
and
the
draft
form
I
think,
are
correct-
that
it
can
remain
in
its
current
form
and
I'm
capable
of
superimposing
a
lot
line,
just
kind
of
redlining
it
and
showing
the
proposed
conditions,
and
then
it
could
be
a
condition
of
approval
that
you
know
the
draft
be
updated
before
it
goes
to
the
city
council.
P
My
understanding
is
the
f.
The
plot
would
be
attached
to
the
ordinance
as
an
exhibit,
so
that
should
be
the
final
flat
right
this
connection,
but
I
think
for
this
body,
as
ms
ashbaugh
noted
it
we
can.
We
can
work
a
graph,
but
the
formal
document
that
goes
to
city
council
would
have
to
have
the
final
correct.
O
Correct
all
right
so
that
wraps
up
that
issue
for
this
evening
again,
thank
you
to
everyone
who
came
out
and
spoke
this
evening
on
that
issue.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
communication.
The
comprehensive
plan
update.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
director
niden.
Is
this
your
baby.
P
This
is
this:
is
my
baby
so
good
evening
again:
johanna
nyden
community
development
director.
So,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
top
of
the
meeting,
the
city
is
undertaking
a
request
for
proposals
for
the
comprehensive
strategic,
slash
comprehensive
plan.
Our
strategic
plan
is
also
quite
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
younger
than
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
we
are
going
to
be
we're
preparing
a
request
for
proposals
and
we'll
be
issuing
that
very
shortly
and
hopefully
we'll
be
getting
lots
of
interest.
P
I
think
we're
a
very
attractive
community
to
want
to
prepare
a
plan
for
and
expect
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
that.
So
that's
forthcoming.
As
I
mentioned,
there's
kind
of
two
there's
two
pieces
of
this.
In
my
mind,
there
is,
if
we're
just
talking
about
the
comprehensive
plan,
there
is
the
development
of
the
plan,
and
then
there
is
the
implementation
of
the
plan
and
having
been
in
evans
for
a
long
time,
both
the
staff
and
previously,
as
a
plan.
Commissioner,
I
think
it's.
P
The
implementation
in
many
ways
is,
is
even
more
important
than
document
preparation,
because
the
implementation
is
the
part
where
you
keep
the
plan
off
the
shelf
and
that
you
make
sure
that
you
it's
used,
you're
using
it
and
it's
it's
helpful
in
the
day-to-day
work.
So
so
that's
that's
really
where
we're
at
right.
Now
I
anticipate
we
will
be
giving
you
monthly
updates
once
we
kind
of
get
going
on
this.
P
If
you
have
been
paying
attention
to
some
of
the
things
that
were
happening
within
the
past
year
and
a
half,
there
was
an
environmental
justice
resolution
that
the
city
adopted
that
called
for
more
robust
community
engagement
and
meaningful
community
engagement,
particularly
engaging
people
who
are
not
generally
part
of
processes
and
and
city
activity.
So
we
anticipate
that
being
a
high
emphasis
in
this
plan.
P
Finding
ways
to
not
just
say
we'll
have
three
community,
no
less
than
three
community
meetings
and
people
come
to
the
meeting,
whether
it's
virtual
or
in
person,
depending
on
where
we
are
in
the
pandemic,
but
that
we
really
go
to
people
in
different
populations
and
try
to
understand
and
ask
the
right
questions
in
terms
of
helping
to
understand
how
how
we
envision
the
next
15
20
years
of
of
our
community.
P
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
It's
very
very
much
in
the
you
know
we
were,
we
were
approved
for
funding
the
city.
Was
it
has
allocated
funding
in
their
budget
for
this
year,
500
000
for
this
project,
so
that
was
a
huge
step
in
moving
this
forward.
So
if
we're
in
the
very
very
beginning
parts
of
this,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
you
know,
encourage
any
discussion
among
the
members.
AF
I've
got
a
couple
questions
joanna
one
is:
is
there
an
approximate
date
when
these
proposals
will
be
due.
K
P
Great
question
so
we're
going
to
issue
this
at
the
end
of
the
end
of
the
month.
It's
on
schedule
with
purchasing
to
be
issued
at
the
end
of
the
end
of
this
month,
and
then
I
would
anticipate
it
would
be
about
a
month
and
and
change
from
that
day.
I
don't
know
the
exact
date
because
we
haven't,
they
haven't
given
me
all
the
deadlines
yet,
but
probably
a
month
or
so
from
that
date.
For
that,
when
they
would
be
due,
we
will
have.
P
AF
And
and
who
would
review
these
proposals.
P
So
it's
generally
been
for
these
kinds
of
proposals.
It
is
staff,
generates
a
recommendation
and
then
the
city
council
would
approve
the
contract.
AF
Okay,
and
also
I
I
you
know,
there's
fine
planning
firms
in
the
area,
but
how?
What?
What
is
the
city
doing
to
reach
out
to
national
firms.
P
That's
a
thank
you.
That
was
a
great
question
so
because
I
just
would
send
an
email
about
that
earlier
today,
so
we
so
we
have,
we
have
asked,
we've
put
it.
We
have
to
put
together
a
list
of
potential
vendors,
so
people
who
you
know
have
applied
to
this
this
type
of
planning
work.
So
we
have
that
list.
This
goes
on.
Something
called
demands.
I'm
not
gonna
purchase
things.
Don't
quote
me
on
this
demand
star,
so
they
they
put
together
it.
P
It
goes
out
and
anybody
who
would
have
signed
up
for
planning
or
con
you
know
development
consulting,
would
get
this
ping,
probably
based
on
the
keywords
that
get
entered.
It's
my
understanding
of
how
that
software
works,
and
so,
but
we
also
have
a
vendor
list.
So
our
vendors
include
local
planning
firms
that
we
know
of
and
then
we're.
I've
also
asked
staff
to
go
through
firms
that
may
have
worked
on.
P
The
national
planning
association
gives
awards
each
year
and
recognizes
different
planning
efforts
and
those
pull
from
all
over
the
country,
and
even
some
of
the
smallest
towns
have
some
of
the
most
amazing
and
beautiful
plans
that
really
look
and
feel
like,
like
they've,
been
tailor-made
to
those
communities.
So
I've
asked
staff
to
pull
those
those
firms
as
well
and
make
sure
that
they're
on
the
list
that
have
been
part
of
award-winning
plans.
O
P
I
want
my
my
goal,
and
you
can
quote
me
on
this-
is
that
I
want
this
to
be
an
award-winning
plan.
I
want
this
to
be
a
plan
that
there's
gonna
be
land
use,
commissions
and
plan
commissions.
All
around
the
country
saying
hey.
Have
you
looked
at
evanston's
comprehensive
plan?
It's
really
good.
We
should
try
to
make
ours
like
that,
because
I'm
I
don't
want
to
keep
saying
and
my
and
the
staff
community
development,
and
probably
my
colleagues
across
the
city
are
really
tired
of
me.
Hearing
like
have
you
looked
at
minneapolis's
plan?
P
Have
you
megan's
laughing?
Have
you
looked
at
this
plan?
It's
really
great,
like
I
want
us
to
be
the
plan
that
communities
come
to
and
say
have
you
looked
at
this
and
I
want
us
to
be
getting
the
calls
and
and
the
attention
because
I
think
we
deserve
it
and
we're
doing
a
lot
of
really
great
things
here.
P
All
right
well,
thank
you
and
feel
free.
If
something
comes
up.
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
please
email
me.
I
think
the
idea
is
that
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
different
as
many
voices
that
will
guide
this
process
as
possible.
So
everybody
on
on
the
land
use
commission
is
invited
to
participate
in
all
these
activities
and
and
help
bring
other
colleagues
along
other
board
committee.
P
Commission
members,
because
a
lot
of
those,
as
you
know,
some
of
those
board
committee
commissioners
on
different
across
the
city,
develop
smaller
plans
and
other
plans.
Carp
multimodal
like
those
are,
those
are
all
smaller
standalone
plans
and
bringing
these
all
together.
So
we
have
one
larger
planning,
effort
that
knits
all
that
work
together
and
gives
us
the
the
sort
of
the
teeth
that
a
street
that
a
comprehensive
plan
have
will
be
really
important.
So
so
thank
you
for
the
time.
O
Thank
you
before
I
move
on
to
public
comment.
Commissioner
halleck
was
late
coming
tonight
and
he
missed
our
our
dividing
up
the
committees.
O
O
Okay,
we
didn't
get
that
direction
so,
which,
which
committee
do
you
want
to
be
on.
AF
I'd
love
to
be
on
the
comprehensive
plan
committee.
O
I
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
with
that
being
added
on
there.
So.
O
With
that,
I
will
move
on
to
public
comment.
I
noticed
we
still
have
a
couple
citizens
with
us
if
they
want
to
address
the
board
on
any
matter
before
you
know
whether
it's
before
us
or
just
on
general
land
use
in
evanston
or
anything.
I
just
would
ask
that
it
not
become
a
dissertation,
but
you
feel
free
to
to
make
any
comments
at
this
point.
If
you'd
like
to
raise
your
hand
and
be
recognized.
O
Seeing
nothing
from
them.
I
will
move
on
to
the
last
item,
which
is
adjournment
and
ask
if
there
is
a
oh
wait.
A
second
ms
mchugh
has
raised
her
hand,
so
miss
mccue.
If
you
would
please
just
identify
yourself
and
feel
free
to
speak
then
and
you're
still
on
there,
you
go.
S
S
It
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
have
that
comprehensive
plan,
finally
cover
what
we
are
going
to
do
regarding
housing
for
northwestern
students
and
protection
of
the
neighborhoods,
both
of
those
things
there
isn't
enough
on
campus
housing
for
the
students
and
what
exactly
are
we
going
to
do
with
where
they
live
and
how
the
how
they
integrate
with
our
community
to
the
benefit
of
all?
S
O
Eventually
I'll
get
used
to
this
with
that,
then
I
will
move
on.
Thank
you,
miss
mchugh
for
for
your
comments
to
adjournment
and
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
adjourn.
O
Moved
by
zordon
second
again
was
that
proxelle
seconded
okay.
So
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
this
one's
just
a
voice
vote.
So
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
N
O
And
he
opposed
the
motion
carries
and
we
are
adjourned
until
are
we
do
we
have
a
meeting
at
a
second
meeting
of
this
month
so.