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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
the
may
11
2022
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
planned
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
A
C
A
A
Here
with
seven
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
we
will
move
on
with
the
rest
of
our
items
here
also
present
from
city
staff
tonight
are
neighborhood
and
land
use,
planner,
megan
jones
assistant
city
attorney,
brian
george,
zoning
administrator,
melissa,
klotz
and
community
development
director
johanna
naden.
A
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant.
After
that,
person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
the
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject,
property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
A
A
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
of
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented,
guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
your
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
A
Yes,
it's
right
outside
the
door.
If
you
haven't
signed
in
to
speak
and
think
that
you
may
wish
to
speak
tonight,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
visual
recorded.
Please
make
sure
you're
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
A
A
A
While
we're
waiting
for
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
anybody
who
may
be
speaking
to
us
tonight
to
please
be
sworn
at
this
time.
If
you'd
raise
your
right
hand,
please
do
you
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings.
A
Actually
we'll
go
ahead
and
approve
the
the
minutes
for
our
meeting.
We
have
the
minutes
for
our
april
13th
meeting.
Has
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
look
through
those
and
are
there
any
edits,
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
B
A
Move
by
westerberg
is
there
a
second
second
seconded
by
putel?
Would
you
please
call
the
roll
do
we?
We
don't
need
to
call
the
roll
anymore
since
we're
in
person
again,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
all
opposed.
A
A
Zero
and
vote
so
with
that
now
we
will
move
on
to
the
new
business,
which
is
the
appeal,
ms
class.
Would
you
please
read
that
into
the
record
for
us.
E
1566
oak
avenue,
22
zmjv0031
chris
dillo
appellant
appeals
the
decision
of
the
determination
of
use
issued
by
the
zoning
administrator
on
march
17
2022
regarding
operations
of
connections
for
the
homeless
at
the
margarita
inn
at
1566
oak
avenue,
which
found
the
operations
to
be
consistent
with
the
zoning
ordinance
definition
for
rooming
house
section,
618-3
and
also
found
existing
special
use.
Ordinance
51-0-74,
adopted
in
1974,
is
no
longer
valid.
E
The
land
use
commission
is
a
determining
body
for
this
case,
in
accordance
with
section
6398
of
the
evanston
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92021
on
april
30th
2022,
the
application
was
revised
to
include
co-appellant
john
cleave,
and
some
additional
public
comments
were
emailed
out
to
commissioners
prior
to
the
meeting,
and
just
note
that
there
is
a
public
comment
in
the
packet.
That
is
a
request
for
a
continuance.
A
Thank
you
in
regards
to
the
continuance.
Our
standard
operating
procedure
has
been
to
take
testimony
of
the
people
who
have
come
out
to
speak
tonight
and
make
a
determination
on
the
validity
of
a
continuance
after
that
testimony.
So
for
those
people
who
have
taken
the
time
to
come
out,
we
aren't
asking
you
to
come
back
to
make
testimony
at
a
different
date.
A
So,
while
you're
getting
that
I'm
at
this
point,
mr
dillo
and
I'm
sorry,
I've
forgotten
mr
cleave.
If
you
would
like
to
sort
of
present
your
case
to
us
and
please
step
up
to
the
lectern
and
state
your
name
and
address.
G
Cleeve
I
live
at
1109
grove
street
in
evanston
and
I
do
appreciate
you
all
giving
me
a
chance
to
to
speak.
F
F
G
So
what
I'm
seeking
from
the
land
use
commission
is
overturned
that
first
part
of
what
melissa
had
talked
about,
namely
that
the
finding
that
the
operations
of
connections
for
the
homeless
is
consistent
with
at
the
margarita
end
is
consistent
with
the
zoning
ordinance
definition
for
rooming
house.
So
it's
really
the
question
of
whether
that
is
the
appropriate
designation
here.
I'll
try
to
be
brief
in
this.
My
I'm
really
boiling
it
down
to
two
arguments.
G
First,
one
being
is
that
that
designation
has
been
inaccurate
and
well
in
the
future,
being
accurate,
that
the
intended
use
and
practice
is
closer
to
other
special
uses
that
might
be
defined
in
618
3.,
there's
a
other
piece
of
it,
which
is
a
sub-argument
that
it
does
violate
several
of
the
print
by
calling
it
a
homeless,
rooming
house.
You
violate
a
couple
of
the
principles
in
6
3
5
10
standards
for
special
use,
so
going
to.
G
To
the
first
one
yeah
for
two
years,
both
the
city
and
connections
has
been
calling
the
margarita
in
a
homeless,
shelter
in
an
11
and-
and
this
is
all
in
the
in
the
packet
in
the
in
the
appeal
that
we
put
in
in
11
920
memo
from
city
staff
to
city
council
members.
The
staff
recommended
approval
of
80k
in
cdbg
cv.
Funding
for
connections
for
the
home
was
for
quote
homeless,
shelter
operations,
the
city
allocated
money
for
connections
under
the
cares
act
for
the
needs
of
homeless
and
unstably
house
families.
G
The
city
proposed
the
partnership
with
connections
for
short
and
long
term
homeless,
needs
minutes
from
the
housing
and
community
development
act.
Committee
meeting
on
tuesday
may
18
2021
include
a
reference
to
the
margarita
inn
as
a
24,
7
homeless,
shelter
for
up
to
80
people
connections
on
its
website,
though
it
has
been
brought
down
that
stated
that
hilda's
place
has
grown
to
provide
shelter
to
the
homeless
365
days
a
year.
G
According
to
the
illinois
department
of
human
services,
a
person
is
considered
homeless
if
they
lack
a
regular
and
adequate
night
nighttime
residence,
a
person
whose
residence
is
a
public
or
privately
operated.
Temporary
shelter
is
considered
homeless
and
it
defines
a
transitional
shelter
as
providing
shelter,
food
and
supportive
services
for
up
to
24
months
that
I
believe,
homeless,
shelter,
transitive
shelter
is
an
accurate
description
of
the
current
and
as
well
as
intended
operation
of
the
margarita
hand.
G
On-Site
licensed
nursing
staff
to
provide
physical
and
mental
health
care
and
on-site
mental
health
professionals
providing
individual
and
group
therapy
to
me
that
it
would
fall
within
the
definition
of
the
transitional
treatment
facility,
assisted
living
is,
is
potentially
another
argument
to
make
in
that.
Ultimately,
the
definition
is
a
facility
for
adults
in
need
of
some
protective
oversight
or
assistance
due
to
functional
limitations
that
provides
a
living
arrangement,
integrating
shelter,
food
and
other
supported
services
to
maintain
a
residence
functional
status.
G
So
my
last
point-
and
my
last
point
here,
is
that
if
you
look
in
evanston,
there
are
46
as
of
a
2018
report
to
the
council,
there
are
76
buildings
registered
as
rooming
houses.
The
vast
majority
of
them
are
buildings
that
are
owned
by
northwestern
that
operate
as
student
housing.
It's
really
not
anything
like
any
of
the
of
the
rooming
houses
that
we
currently
have
in
the
city.
It's
a
special
thing:
it's
a
thing
that
provides
rooming
house
as
well
as
all
of
these
wraparound
services.
G
Therefore,
the
argument
is
simply
to
say
it's:
a
rooming
house
is
an
inaccurate
description
of
the
intent
that
connections
has
with
there.
The
other
point
to
be
had
is
that
the
definition
of
a
grooming
house,
as
it
excludes
food
service
and
connections,
has
indirectly
brought
in
food
via
the
the
religious
several
of
the
interfaith
churches
that
have
that
have
come
in
there.
G
So
that's
that's
my
first
point.
The
second
point
is
the
lesser
one
that
if
you
look
through
the
standards
for
special
use
concerning
this,
that
it's
ultimately,
if
calling
it
a
rooming
house
are
going
to
violate
four
of
them
according
to
our
interpretation
of
it.
First
one
is
that
it's
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and,
like
I
said,
an
argument
can
be
made
that
it's
it's
an
assisted
living
or
that
it's
a
transitive
treatment
facility.
G
Second,
one
is
that
it
will
not
cause
a
number
b
is
it'll
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered,
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
on
the
intermediate,
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
on
the
city
as
a
whole,
and
I'll
quote
the
fourth
ward
council
person's
own
words
from
october
2020,
who
admitted
that
a
lot
of
the
services
that
evanson
offers
are
all
here
in
the
fourth
ward,
not
exclusively
but
disproportionately.
G
G
It's
it's,
creating
a
cumulative
effect
of
adding
it
to
the
ymca
to
the
ywca,
to
the
the
shelter
the
meal
services
provided
by
st
marks
and
st
paul's,
the
methadone
clinic
on
davis
there's
an
awful
lot
of
things
within
you
know
that
are
serving
us.
The
summer
population
in
ease
all
within
a
three
or
four
block
radius
of
the
residents
that
live
around
the
margarita
inn.
G
So
the
third
one
is
the
the
the
the
another
one
which
is
it
doesn't
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
and,
as
our
appeal
went
in,
there
are
several
studies
that
have
shown
it
very
well
can
cause
a
reduction
in
property
value.
Ultimately,
as
I
said,
I
won't,
I
won't
cite
them,
but
they
are
listed
with
links
in
the
in
the
appeal
that
we
we
gave
it.
G
I
also
mentioned
that
if
we
do
set
it
up
as
a
rooming
house,
the
city
loses
virtually
all
control
over
it
other
than
them
fulfilling
the
needs
of
a
rooming
house,
a
bathroom
for
every
six
people
and
they
change
the
sheets
once
a
week.
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
a
thing
where
ultimately,
we're
going
to
set
this
and
nothing
very
little
can
be
done
leverage-wise
by
the
city.
Should
it
not
live
up
to
it?
G
Maybe
it's
it's
a
model
of
a
place,
but
there's
the
risk
that
it's
not
a
model
and
at
which
case,
then
it's
a
rooming
house
as
long
as
they
don't
have
too
many
nuisance.
Complaints
about
a
bim
bada
boom.
The
city
is
powerless.
G
The
other
piece
I'll
bring
up
is
the
260
police
and
fire
emt
calls
to
50
66
oak,
which
came
from
a
foia
request
to
the
evanston
police
and
fire
emt.
It's
an
average
of
three
a
week,
and
I
would
argue
that
having
a
police
or
fire
the
vehicle
on
oak
street
out,
there
is
going
to
diminish
the
property
values
of
not
only
the
houses
that
are
around
there.
But
the
businesses
up
and
down
davis
the
businesses
over
on
maple
street
north
light
theater
is
going
in
there.
G
The
king
home
will
soon
have
500
elderly
folk
who
have
are
going
to
have.
You
know
dementia
and
alzheimer's,
it's
it's.
It
can't
help,
but
but
potentially
diminish
the
the
desirability
and
therefore
value
of
the
king
home
and
the
10
20
oak,
which
is
a
another
facility
targeted
at
55
plus
year
old,
along
the
on
across
the
street.
G
On
on
grove
street,
so
the
final,
the
final
one
here
is:
that
d
is
it's
it's
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
again
the
argument
that
that
we
give
is
260,
police
and
fire
calls
over
two
years.
Three
a
week,
this
police
force
is
down
by
25
people.
G
We've
spoken
to
chief
eddington,
we've
we've
in
and
both
chief
edington
and
officer
mike
jones
have
been
to
some
of
the
community
meetings
that
we've
had
around
it.
They're,
not
big
fans,
they
they're
they're
25
people
short
they're
having
to
put
people
out
there
to
deal
with
the
various
investigations
and
things
that
have
happened
at
at
connections
and
and
more
than
just
you
know,
drive-bys
or
sit-down.
These
are.
They
were
three
death
investigations.
There
were
two
sexual
assault
investigations,
a
thefts.
There
was
a
several
batteries.
G
There
was
an
arson.
You
know
these
are
serious
things
that
police
then
have
to
spend
time
on
gathering
evidence
going
in
communicating
with
people.
It's
a
it's
a
drain,
it's
a
drain
on
services
and
we've
yet
to
see
anything
from
either
the
city
or
connections
that
has
done
any
kind
of
longitudinal
study.
That
says
look.
This
is
how
we
are
not
going
to
have
it
be
a
potential
drain.
So
therefore,
the
standard
d
in
our
opinion
hasn't
been
met.
G
So
to
find
my
final
summary
just
to
come,
it
up
is
it's.
It
hasn't
been
run
as
a
rooming
house.
It's
a
hybrid
model.
At
best,
it
seems
to
combine
multiple
things
there,
if,
if
indeed
the
the
commission
uphills
the
the
idea
of
it
being
a
rooming
house,
they
will
be
held
to
the
last
possible
standards
of
operation
within
a
with
a
with
a
high
need
community
living
there.
G
Ultimately,
it's
going
to
open
the
door
to
other
applications
of
people
who
are
could
very
well
jump
in
in
other
parts
of
the
city
and
use
the
same
light
definition
of
rooming
house
to
do
it.
Therefore,
I'm
urging
you
all
to.
A
G
And
that
that
is
the
conundrum,
because
I
think
it
should
be
a
transitive
shelter,
but
the
problem
with
the
transit
shelter
is,
it
specifically
says
for
it,
it's
a
very
temporary
stay,
and
so
what
they're
saying
it's
a
rooming
house,
because
it
has
guests
it's
30
days,
plus
on
the
stay
and
and
so
therefore,
it's
a
conundrum
in
that
it
doesn't
really
line
up
with
any
of
those
of
those
things.
G
The
fact
that
not
only
is
it
a
transit
shelter,
but
one
that's
providing
extensive
social
services,
it
kind
of
puts
it
over
into
the
transitive
treatment
facility.
So
I
don't
know
I
mean
I,
you
know
we
we
I've
read
over
the
code
again
and
again
again,
it's
like
there's
nothing.
In
there
I
mean
they're.
Doing
a
unique
model.
Just
like
right
in
out
in
oak
park
is
unique
model
rockford's
got
one
bellevue.
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
rogers,
to
respond
to
the
opponent's
last
points
and
what
my
thought
process
was
in
making
the
determination.
I
felt
that
it
was
not
a
transitional
shelter
primarily
due
to
the
length
of
stay.
The
zoning
ordinance
does
define
transient
guests
and,
given
that
the
guests
at
the
margarita
inn
are
staying
for
an
average
of
nine
or
ten
months
or
more,
I
felt
that
that
is
not
considered
transient
and
and
therefore
is
not
considered
a
transitional
shelter.
E
For
a
transitional
treatment
facility,
the
zoning
ordinance
definition
for
that
specifically
states
that
it
is
for
drug
rehabilitation,
so
I
felt
that
it
did
not
meet
that
definition
either.
E
D
Just
a
question:
does
the
is
the
extent
of
services
offered
by
connections
to
the
residents
there?
Doesn't
that
take
the
term
rooming
house
about
as
far
as
you
can
really
push
it?
D
I
understand
you're
you're
kind
of
bound
by
the
definitions
and
in
the
code
I
get
it,
but
it
does
seem
as
if
that's
a
little
off
the
mark.
E
Thinking
of,
for
instance,
the
the
ymca
that
is,
a
rooming
house
services
are
offered
there,
there
are
other
rooming
houses,
there's
even
just
typical
general
residential
multi-family
residential
that
also
offers
some
supportive
services.
H
Okay,
melissa,
I'm
interested
in
knowing
other
examples
of
when
rooming
house
and
tran
transitional
shelter
have
been
used
either
past
or
present
in
evanston.
I
know
you
mentioned
the
ymca
art.
Can
you
off
the
top
of
your
head?
Can
you
think
of
any
other
examples
of
those
particular
terms,
so
we
can
help
give
the
most
amount
of
context
to
this
situation.
E
Other
rooming
houses
in
the
city,
the
new
domestic
violence,
shelter
at
the
ywca,
the
units
within
there
are
rooming
house
units.
Overall,
the
zoning
use
is
a
domestic
violence,
shelter
because
that's
a
another
specific
use
within
the
zoning
ordinance,
but
the
units
are
rooming
house
units
and
there
are
supportive
services
offered
there
as
well.
E
E
There's
boys
hope
and
girls
hope,
which
are
in
large
single-family
homes
that
have
obtained
special
uses
for
rooming
houses,
where
there's
probably
15
or
so
teenage
students
who
live
in
the
house
and
and
function
as
a
household,
and
they
have
fairly
substantial
supportive
services
to
make
to
ensure
that
they
are
successful
with
their
high
school
and
on
through
their
college
career
and
they
live
live
there
during
the
school
year.
I
With
boys,
hope
and
girls
hope,
isn't
there
a
specific
you
know
like
a
child
care
facility?
Isn't
there
a
specific
zoning
definition
that
addresses
those
like
a
group
home
is
what
I'm
thinking
of.
E
There's
also
a
variety
of
rooming
houses
that
are
the
the
larger
facilities
that
I'm
thinking
of,
for
instance,
the
lucky
platter
building.
Those
are
all
rooming
house
units
and
there
there's
a
variety
of
others
over
in
that
area
of
the
city
as
well.
D
J
A
So
I
have
a
list
of
seven
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak.
Has
everyone
had
an
opportunity,
because
I
don't
want
to
play
the
game
where,
after
we're
done,
everybody
gets
up
and
says?
Oh,
I
want
to
add
something
in
so
get
your
name
in
now.
A
So
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
calling
off
the
list,
I'm
not
going
to
place
time
limits
on
anyone.
That's
speaking
tonight,
since
we
do
have
not
that
many
people
who
have
offered
who
have
volunteered
to
speak
on
the
case,
I
will
ask
for
people
to
try
to
keep
their
conversation
and
their
comments
directed
toward
the
appeal.
That's
before
us.
A
I
understand
there
are
some
property
standards
issues
that
some
people
want
to
speak
about
things
like
that,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
those
not
be
brought
up,
because
that's
not
what
we're
here
to
discuss
this
evening.
Just
so.
Everyone
knows
there
is
a
second
appeal
pending
on
this
particular
property
from
the
owner
of
the
margarita
inn,
and
so
what
happens
here
tonight
is
not
the
end
all
and
be
all
there
will
be
at
least
one
other
hearing.
There
will
probably
be
at
least
two
other
hearings
on
this
particular
matter
so
reserve
your
conversation.
A
I
re
reserve
your
comments
for
the
appropriate
time,
which
will
be
if
there
is
a
special
use
application
submitted.
That's
when
we'll
want
to
hear
that
type
of
testimony.
K
I
appreciate
taking
your
time
as
an
appellate,
for
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
break
any
rules,
so
we
made
sure
that
that
john
cleeve
spoke
and
did
so
obviously
eloquently.
One
thing
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
and
to
clarify
is
the
ymca.
I
wasn't
intending
on
doing
that,
but
I
I
think
it's
super
important
right,
the
guests
at
the
ymca
they
pay
rent.
They
are
men,
they
are
vetted,
they
have
rules
in
place.
There
are
rules
around
controlled
substances
and
alcohol.
K
They
don't
require
the
same
services
if
any-
and
I
don't
know
their
operational
model,
but
I
don't
believe
that
there
are
services
that
are
applied
there
on.
When
you
look
at
historically
the
folks
in
the
neighborhood
there
is
no
persistent
criminality.
There's
no
police
calls.
There
are
some
of
course
right,
but
no
more
than
any
of
the
other
neighborhoods.
It
doesn't
come
anywhere
near
the
amount
of
services
required
on
the
amount
of
burden
placed
on
the
police
and
fire
that
the
margarita
inn
has
in
just
two
years.
K
So
the
idea
that
those
are
compatible,
that
those
are
a
comp
to
each
other
is
is
absolutely
not
the
case.
We
have
done
so
much
research
to
understand
where
the
rooming
houses
are
in
the
city
and
margarita
doesn't
come
anywhere
near
any
of
those
things.
So
that's
one
thing:
what
I
did
come
up
here
to
say
was
that
in
march
of
2020,
the
city
of
evanston,
based
on
an
illinois
emergency
covid
rules,
authorized
connections
for
the
homeless
to
run
a
homeless
shelter,
and,
as
john
mentioned,
you
know
so
many
documentations,
so
much
money.
K
So
many
designations
were
clear
that
this
was
a
homeless,
shelter.
Okay,
so
there's
no
arguing
that
we
started
out
as
a
emergency
homeless,
shelter
now
that
emergency
order
actually
ended
in
may
2020
now,
under
what
designation
or
order
we've
been
operating
in
under
that
I
I
brought
that
to
this
forum
earlier.
I
I
don't.
I
still
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
K
But
since
then,
since
that
has
happened,
on
connections
for
the
homeless
has
created
a
homeless,
shelter
and
I'll
call
it
an
experiment
that
defies
any
sort
of
national
practices
that
disregards
the
city's
shelter
regulations.
I
mean
that
is
what
it
was
supposed
to
be.
Right
is
a
homeless
shelter
and
that's
what
the
city
said
on
there
is
no
vetting
the
proximity
to
schools.
It's
within
500
feet
of
schools.
K
It
does.
It
goes
against
the
occupancy
limits
of
any
of
our
special
uses
on
it
has
ignored.
It's
even
ignored
the
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
city,
because
the
city
said:
hey,
you
can't
have
any
controlled
substances
or
alcohol
and
they
say
clearly
right
in
their
guidance
and
when
they
sign
up
that.
Yes,
you
can
have
alcohol
in
your
rooms.
So
clearly
they
are
not
looking
at
this
as
what
they
were
intended
to
be
at
the
beginning.
K
Right
now,
they
are
concentrating
a
large
number
of
individuals,
and
this
is
what
I
mean
about
best
practices:
they're,
concentrating
a
large
number
of
individuals,
not
just
men
like
the
ymca,
but
families,
young
men
and
women,
folks
that
are
suffering
from
mental
illness,
folks
that
are
suffering
from
drug
addiction
as
well
as
homeless,
folks
that
are
looking
for
help
and
homeless
folks
that
just
need
a
place
to
stay.
So
there
is
no
criteria.
There
is
no
parameters
as
to
who
is
going
to
stay
there
right.
K
Yes,
some
folks
stay
for
quite
a
while
still
within
the
parameters
of
illinois
health
on
what
they
say
is
a
transitional
home,
but
but
there's
a
lot
of
folks,
they
come
go.
Some
stay,
some
some
leave
a
lot
earlier.
The
results
of
this
experiment
has
been
over
260
calls
to
the
police
and
fire,
and
if
that
number
doesn't
match
up
with
what
they've
seen
in
the
building,
I'm
going
to
go
with
foia,
I'm
going
to
believe
the
city
of
evanston,
I'm
going
to
believe
the
fire
department.
I
think
that's
probably
solid
foundation
for
that.
K
That's
five
times
the
number
per
resident
at
albany
care,
albany
care,
which
our
aldermen
said,
is
a
nightmare
aldrin
care
where
we
are
literally
trying
to
pull
their
license
five
times
the
number
of
police
and
fire
calls
per
resident
as
albany
care.
So
I'll
just
stop
saying
that
over
and
over
again-
but
I
mean
that's
probably
pretty
important
all
right
now-
those
include
deaths,
drug
overdoses
aggravated
assault
battery.
As
john
said,
we've
heard
from
police
interim
chief,
the
interim
police
chief,
the
community
officer
mike
jones,
has
all
said.
K
I
I
think
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
right
now
we
have
decided.
We
have
made
the
interpretation
that
this
is
a
rooming
house
and
I'm
asking
this
group
to
say
you
know
what
changing
the
sheets
once
a
week
is
not
sufficient
regulatory
obligations
for
what
we
have
created
here.
What
I'm
here,
what
I'm
asking
for
is
to
say
look.
This
is
a
homeless
shelter.
You
know.
That
is
what
it
is.
That's
the
people
that
live
there.
K
That's
the
people
that
they
take
in
from
cook
county
from
evanston
40
people,
40
percent
of
these
folks,
don't
even
live
in
evanston
or
didn't
come
from
evanston
right.
So
what
we're
saying
is:
look
I'm
not
telling
you
that
that
shouldn't
be
there,
but
the
city
of
evanston
said
this
is
a
homeless
shelter.
So
if
anything,
I
am
asking
this
group
to
say:
let's
make
an
interpretation
that
the
city
of
evanston
was
correct,
that
it
is
a
homeless
shelter
and
if
they
want
to
be
something
else,
they
can
ask
for
a
variance.
K
They
can
ask
for
an
amendment.
They
can
say,
look,
yes,
we
are
a
transitional
shelter,
but
we
have
these
great
ideas.
We
want
to
do
these
other
things
sure
come
work
with
the
city
work
with
the
residents.
Do
your
variants
and
see
if
you
can
get
that
approved,
but
let's
not
just
sit
here
today
and
say:
well,
we
don't
have
a
designation
so
by
default,
let's
call
it
a
rooming
house,
because
that
is
not
going
to
end
well.
L
My
name
is
eric
passett
and
I'm
also
the
owner
of
north
shore
apartments
in
condos.
L
L
So
that
means
a
lot
of
people's
taxes
went
down,
you
know,
being
residents,
people
own
houses,
landlords
went
up
from
anywhere
from
40
to
80
percent.
Their
taxes
went
up.
That
is
documented
and
it's
clear
evidence.
So
we
are
forced
to
raise
our
rents,
and
I
can
tell
you
since
the
now
you
know
you
can't
say
it's
all
because
of
margaritan.
L
Okay,
there's
been
a
lot
of
things.
That's
happened
the
last
couple
years,
okay,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is:
there's
been
some
residents
in
our
in
our
buildings
in
that
neighborhood
that
will
won't
renew
their
lease
if
they're
moving
out
and
they,
and
they
specifically
said
because
of
the
margarita
and
being
next
door
and
the
problems
that
caused
them
them.
L
It's
also
caused
us
to
lower
our
rents,
because
if
you
can't
attract
people
with
the
rent,
you
need
to
attract
a
met.
Eventually,
you
got
to
find
some
kind
of
bottom,
so
you
can't
attract
people
and
we've
been
forced
to
lower
our
rents,
while
our
expenses
have
not
gone
down,
they've
actually
gone
way
up.
L
So,
if
let
me
ask
you
a
question
and
I'm
not
asking
you
two
thing,
but
if
you
owned
a
building
very
close
by,
you
probably
would
feel
as
we
as
we
feel
to
say.
We're.
Appalled
would
be
probably
an
understatement
if,
if
we
wouldn't
be
here,
people
wouldn't
be
here.
Appealing
us
if
they
had
been
good,
neighbors,
okay,
we're
not
appealing,
I
know,
there's
a
couple-
I
wouldn't
say,
homeless,
shelters,
but
there's
a
couple
places
similar
to
this
in
the
neighborhood
okay.
L
You
know
you
could
say
the
cambridge
house,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
they
do,
but
I
know
it's.
I
wouldn't
say
it's
similar,
but
it's
you
know.
Let's
say
they
house
people
that
don't
always
have
a
place
to
live
okay.
Well,
we
can
probably
establish
that
I
haven't
and
I've
taken
care
of
some
buildings
in
that
neighborhood,
which
is
like
judson
and
dempsey.
I
don't
see
the
problems
like
we're.
Seeing
here.
People
are
talking
about
the
ywca
different
different
group
of
peop
citizens.
A
You
next
speaker
is
tina
payton.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
So
I'm
a
landlord
here
in
evanston
and
I
have
worked
with
connections
for
the
homeless
for
many
years,
and
I
have
taken
people
from
the
shelter
and
I'm
not
sure
what
you
call
family
promise,
but
they
are
house
homeless,
people
as
well,
and
it's
not
that
many
families
and
I
think
they
need
to
come
back
change
it
to
homeless,
shelter
and
come
back,
notify
the
residents
and
be
able
to
work
together
with
the
city
and
the
residents
as
a
transitional
homeless,
shelter.
Thank
you.
N
My
name
is
jenny
savari
I
live
at
1241
maple.
In
the
fourth
ward,
I
have
been
a
donor
and
volunteer
at
connections
since
2013..
It
is
a
well-run
professional
organization.
I
have
personally
seen
their
experienced
highly
trained,
dedicated
staff
in
action
at
the
margarita
inn,
hilda's
place
and
the
dewey
drop-off
drop-in
center.
N
N
A
Thank
you
miss
savari
again,
I'm
going
to
have
I'm
going
to
butcher
this
name.
I
know
it
looks
like
maybe
nia
tavalirian.
J
O
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you,
chairman
rogers.
Thank
you
for
trying
to
pronounce
my
name.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
nia
tavalores,
I'm
the
director
of
development,
actually
at
connections
for
the
homeless,
and
I'm
really
proud
to
be
part
of
the
leadership
team
at
connections.
O
O
There
have
been
a
lot
of
concerns
expressed
this
evening
and
from
citizens
and
neighbors,
and
I
won't
be
responding
specifically
to
those
concerns
as
it
is
that
our
matters
technically-
and
I
know
this
is
very
lawyery.
This
is
what
the
lawyers
tell
me.
Our
matter
technically
is
not
actually
before
you
guys
this
evening,
but
when
it
is,
we
will
be
responding
in
full
to
all
of
the
concerns
that
you
have
heard
this
evening.
O
O
Because
of
the
christ.
Because
of
these
crisis
that
I
mentioned,
we
house
them
at
local
hotels,
three
at
one
point,
including
the
margarita
inn
as
the
leading
agency
in
the
northern
suburbs,
delivering
these
essential
services.
We
are
also
the
leading
experts
in
developing
the
programming
needed
to
end
homelessness.
That
is
actually
what
our
mission
is.
O
O
This
new
innovative
model
at
the
margarita
inn
provides
24-hour
housing
in
the
form
of
private
semi-private
rooms
and
a
secure
facility,
in
addition
to
connections,
delivering
rich
wrap
around
services,
which
you've
heard
a
lot
about,
we
employ
professionally
licensed
staff.
We
have
trained
residential
workers
and
we
partner
with
other
community
providers
like
the
ymca,
the
ywca,
trilogy
health,
trilogy
peer
services,
etc.
O
O
Every
day
our
staff
picks
up
the
phone
and
hears
another
family
in
crisis
and
tells
them
we
don't
have
room
for
you
tonight
come
into
our
drop-in
location,
start
speaking
with
a
case
manager.
We
can
get
you
some
canned
food.
We
can
get
you
a
change
of
clothes,
we'll
get
you
on
the
waiting
list.
That's
what
our
team
does
every
single
day,
people
ask
why
we
need
to
be
operating
at
the
margarita
and
why
can't
we
go
someplace
else.
O
Our
primary
reason
is
that
the
margarita
inn
is
where
it
is,
and
there
is
no
similar
facility
in
the
area
that
we
have
been
able
to
find
and
identify.
It
provides
individual
rooms
with
private
bathrooms.
It
has
enough
space
for
staff,
it's
incredibly
functional,
with
the
exception
of
the
100
year
old
elevator,
that's
a
little
tricky.
O
O
It
is
simply
not
true
that
the
margarita
attracts
people
experiencing
homelessness
into
evanston
86
of
the
people.
We
serve
86
percent
of
the
people
we
have
served
in
the
margarita
since
we
started
operating.
It
are
evanston
people
we
are
not
bringing
in
people
from
other
communities,
they
are
evanstonians
who
we
are
helping
to
serve.
O
Rather
than
being
a
drain
on
the
community
resources,
we
have
actually
brought
resources
into
the
community
and
we
serve
its
residents.
Finally,
and
I
will
be
wrapping
up,
we've
been
operating
and
evolving
for
two
years.
At
the
margarita
end,
we've
had
enormous
success,
both
keeping
people
safe
and
helping
them
transition
to
permanent
housing.
O
The
furor
over
our
presence
arose
late
into
that
two-year
period,
as
it
appears.
Most
people
didn't
even
realize
that
we
were
there
now.
The
concerns
of
some
neighbors
have
caused
us
to
examine
our
staffing
policies
and
procedures
anew,
and
we
are
always
open
to
new
solutions,
but
we
are
finding
that
this
model.
It
is
an
excellent
model.
O
A
Ms
cavaleros,
before
you
sit
down,
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
you.
I.
J
A
O
O
Never
met
you,
you've,
never
met
me.
You
walk
in
one
day
to
our
offices.
In
the
fifth
ward,
and
you
say:
I've
been
sleeping
in
my
car
for
five
days.
I
lost
my
apartment.
I've
got
all
my
stuff
and
my
dog
in
my
car.
Can
you
guys
help
me
out
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
so
what
ends
up
happening
is
first,
we
sit
you
down
and
we
ask
you.
Would
you
like
to
take
a
shower?
Do
you
need
some
food?
O
O
O
Sure
do
you
want
to
repeat
your
question:
okay,
okay,
sure,
so
what
we
first
do
is
we
sit
down
with
you
and
we
take
care
of
whatever
your
immediate
needs
are
because,
if
you've
been
sleeping
in
your
car
for
five
days,
you're-
probably
not
in
a
great
space,
what
we
then
do
is
that
we
have
you
sit
down
with
one
of
our
case
managers
and
usually
it's
our
street
and
community
outreach
case.
Managers
that
are
on
sites
or
street
outreach
they're,
sometimes
located
in
our
two
facilities,
now
remember
you've.
O
That
means
because
you've
come
to
drop
in
that
you
have
shown
up
during
a
very
specific
set
of
hours
when
we
had
just
open
drop
in
hours.
Okay,
so
it's
not
24
hours
a
day.
It's
not
seven
days
a
week.
It's
when
we
have
staff
for
drop-in
services,
so
we
sit
down
with
you
and
we
first
start
by
saying
what
is
it
that
you
need?
What
can
we
help
you
with?
What's
going
on?
O
How
did
you
get
here
today
and
believe
it
or
not,
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
is
often
very
surprising
to
people
who
have
not
experienced
homelessness?
Some
people
come
out
right
away
and
they
say
okay.
So
this
is
what
happened.
My
wife
kicked
me
out
of
the
house.
I
can't
come
back,
she's
called
the
police
on
me.
She
won't
let
me
in
she
said
she
was
going
to
shoot
my
dog,
like
whatever
like
there's
something
that
has
happened
in
your
life
that
has
made
you
exit
your
home.
O
Some
people
come
up
right
away
and
they
say
that's
what
needs
to
happen
like
that's
where
they
are.
That's
how
they
got
here.
Some
people
say
nothing
and
they're
like
I
just
need
a
place
to
go.
Can
you
get
me
a
place
to
go?
I
can't
sleep
in
my
car
one
more
day
like
thank
you
for
letting
me
have
a
shower.
I
can't
sleep
in
my
car
one
day
and
our
answer
is
we
don't
have
a
place
for
you
to
go.
O
We
don't
the
police
officer
mike
jones.
Everyone
will
tell
you
that
when
they
see
someone
sleeping
in
their
car
and
sleeping
on
the
street
in
evanston-
and
they
come
up
to
them-
they're
like
what's
going
on-
I
don't
have
a
place
to
sleep,
I'm
sleeping
here
in
this
park
and
behind
this
building
etc.
There
is
not
a
place
for
them
to
scoop
them
up
and
take
them
to
including
the
margarita
inn.
You
cannot
scoop
people
up
and
take
them
to
the
margarita
inn
and
be
like
put
this
person
in
shelter.
They
need
shelter
tonight.
O
So
what
we
end
up
doing
because
you're
a
single
guy,
we
start
doing
a
big
assessment
with
you.
Okay
and
it's
gonna
take
several
days
several
weeks
for
us
to
actually
do
that
assessment.
One
of
the
things
that
we
will
do
is
we'll
actually
first
see,
there's
a
little
kind
of
a
set
of
services
called
diversion
that
we
will
do,
and
so
diversion
services
are
basically
like.
Is
there
something
we
can
do
right
now
to
keep
you
out
of
the
homeless
shelter
system
like?
O
Can
we
keep
you
out
of
the
service
system
altogether
if
we
paid
a
ticket
for
you
to
go
to
alabama
to
stay
with
your
brother?
Is
that
going
to
solve
this
for
you,
because
it's
better
for
us
to
do
that
than
it
is
to
like
get
you
into
the
system?
So
we
first
talk
about
doing
diversion
with
you
and
see
if
there's
any
options,
if
we
let
you
take
some
food
from
the
food
pantry,
is
there
a
neighbor
you
can
stay
with?
Is
there
an
uncle,
you
can
stay
with
like?
O
Do
you
have
any
other
solutions?
No,
I
don't
have
any
other
solutions.
I
don't
have
anywhere
to
go.
Okay,
we're
going
to
come
back,
we're
going
to
be
back
here
tomorrow.
We
don't
have
a
solution
for
you
tonight.
Do
you
have
your
phone
charged?
Are
you
going
to
be
warm
enough?
Is
there
anything
you
can
do
tonight?
I
want
you
to
come
back
here
tomorrow
and
tomorrow
we're
going
to
keep
doing
this
process
and
we're
going
to
keep
working
with
you.
O
So
I
think
to
your
question
of
like
what
happens
tonight
when
someone
is
homeless
in
this
community
and
not
only
in
this
community
in
all
of
our
communities,
we
could
offer
you,
for
example,
a
ticket
to
a
place
called
pacific
garden
mission,
which
is
on
the
south
side
of
the
city.
It
is
a
kind
of
a
very,
very,
very
large
facility,
and
a
lot
of
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
are
not
comfortable
going
there.
O
They
consider
it
unsafe
it's
too
far
away,
it's
not
where
they
want
to
be,
because
you
know
it
could
be
that
you
actually
have
to
go
to
work
tomorrow.
That's
another
thing
right,
like
you're
you're
something
happened,
you
can't
stay
home,
but
you
have
to
go
to
work
tomorrow
and
being
down
there
doesn't
help.
So
we
would
of
course,
offer
you
like.
Do
you
want
to
go
stay
at
some
place
like
pacific
garden
mission,
but
more
than
likely
you're
going
to
say?
No.
Does
that
answer
the
question
yeah.
O
Now
what
happens
is
during
that
assessment?
Sorry,
I
was
going
through
that
during
that
assessment,
what
we
have
to
do,
because
we're
part
of
a
a
coalition
of
service
providers
that
are
all
of
cook
county,
because
the
federal
government
makes
all
of
us
kind
of
work
together.
So
we
are
a
part
of
this
continuum
of
care
that
continuum
of
care
makes
definitions
for
who's
considered
vulnerable.
O
O
J
O
Man,
I'm
assuming
you,
don't
have
any
chronic
health
conditions.
You
do
not
have
an
active
substance
use
disorder.
You
do
not
have
a
mental
health
situation
going
on,
so
your
vulnerability
is
actually
considered
low
and
you're
like
wait.
What's
the
vulnerability,
the
vulnerability
that
we
have
to
test
everyone
on
to
kind
of
get
them
into
the
system
is
the
vulnerability
of
how
soon
they're
going
to
die.
O
Certain
things
make
you
more
vulnerable
to
die
on
the
streets
than
other
things,
so
those
are
people
that
we
have
to
take
special
attention
to
when
we're
figuring
out
who
can
come
in
and
out
of
the
margarita
inn
and
when
they
can
get
in
and
on
average,
some
people,
because
you're
not
very
vulnerable
you're,
going
to
probably
have
to
wait
a
long
time
to
get
in,
but
other
people,
because
you're,
a
mom
you're,
a
woman
you're,
a
gay
or
transgendered
youth,
you're.
O
A
You
the
next
speaker
this
evening
I
have
is
linda
baum.
P
My
name
is
linda
baum.
I
live
at
1572
maple
avenue,
so
my
building
is
on
the
alley.
That
is
right
at
the
it
opens
right
into
the
front
of
the
margarita
inn
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
I'm
here
I
I
don't
understand
if
this
is
a
rooming
house,
where
some
of
the
problems
that
we're
having
that
we
can
determine
are
the
result
of
the
margarita
in
are
coming
from
some
of
those
problems.
Are
I
mean
I
before
this?
I
didn't
see
people
selling
drugs.
P
I
do
now
behind
the
dumpster,
that's
on
the
alley
and
then
they'll
walk
out
toward
the
marker
eat
it
in
and
sniff
the
drugs
that
they've
just
purchased.
I've
seen
that
myself
driving
down
the
alley.
I
I
don't
know
why
the
other
young
woman
who
was
up
here
never
sees
anything.
P
Maybe
it's
because
they're
one
of
the
50
people
who
have
come
to
the
the
drop-in
and
don't
have
any
place
to
go,
except
their
car
and
they're
hanging
around
for
seven
days
for
assessment
or
whatever,
maybe
they're
the
ones.
I
don't
know
who
the
people
are,
who
come
to
try
to
sleep
in
the
lobby
of
our
building?
P
I
know
where
they're
coming
from
and
I
know
they
can't
seem
to
get
in
to
sleep
in
their
rooms.
If
it's
a
rooming
house,
I
don't
understand
everything.
I
just
know
that
that
I
don't
believe
that
the
reason
there
hasn't
been
any
furor
over
the
last
two
years
is
because
people
didn't
even
notice
what
was
going
on
the
margarita
inn.
P
I
think
it's
because
there
was
culved
and
people
were
understanding
of
the
fact
that
during
covid
we
need
housing
for
people,
and
I
know
we
still
need
housing
for
people,
and
I
really
am
in
favor
of
housing
for
people,
but
I
do
feel
like
it.
It
should
be.
It
should
be
regulated,
it
should
be
something
that
is
controlled
in
a
way
that
the
yhw,
the
ymca,
is
controlled,
where
the
gentleman
from
that
facility
walk
up
the
street
and
say
hello
and
don't
urinate
and
defecate
in
the
alley
or
in
the
green
lot.
P
That's
next
to
us
and
it's
just
a
different
situation.
Maybe
it's
the
selection
process,
because
the
the
men
at
the
ymca
are
selected
on
a
totally
different
basis.
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
the
answers
to
all
the
questions,
but
I
do
feel
like
it's,
not
a
rooming
house,
that
it
is
a
homeless
shelter
and
that
we
ought
to
admit
that
and
we
ought
to
go.
P
The
regulations
should
be
filed
and
and
followed
so
that
there
can
be
the
kind
of
agreement
that
needs
to
to
be
made
so
that
it
can
be
done
properly.
A
Thank
you,
miss
baum,
and
the
last
speaker
I
have
signed
up
for
tonight
is
mike
joyce.
Q
Mike
joyce,
I'm
president
of
evanston,
for
14
years,
I
live
at
1101
grove
street
two
houses
away
from
margarita
inn.
A
lot
of
this
becomes
technical.
As
I
understand
it's
not
considered
transitional,
because
people
live
there
for
nine
months
up
to
nine
months,
but
if
you're
not
paying
rent,
why
not
stay
someplace
for
nine
months?
Q
It
was
compared
to
the
domestic
violence
center
and
the
ymca,
and
I'm
repeating
whether
people
said
here
in
14
years.
I've
never
had
any
problem
with
anybody
at
the
ymca
or
domestic
violence
center,
but
we've
had
all
kinds
of
problems
with
the
margarita
in
the
last
two
years
being
woken
up
at
two
o'clock.
Four
o'clock
in
the
morning
by
people
screaming
having
shouting
matches
same
thing
that
the
woman
said
here:
selling
drugs
on
the
streets.
Q
I
haven't
seen
the
urination
but
I've
my
wife's
felt
very
uncomfortable
and
unsafe,
and
we
walk
our
dog
too
in
the
neighborhood
and
we've
chosen
to
go
different
routes
because
for
fear
of
what's
happening
at
the
margarita
now
three
visits
a
week
is
what
the
statistics
are
that
we've
heard
from
this
gentleman
over
here.
It
probably
should
be
more
than
that.
We've
never
reported
any
problems
to
the
police,
but
I
I
too
feel
for
the
homeless.
Q
What
is
what
are
the
the
people
in
charge
doing
to
counteract
the
problems
that
they've
had?
Why
have
the
police
or
the
fire
department
had
it
come
so
many
times
and
what's
being
done
to
fix
that?
If
there
was
a
solution,
I
don't
think
anybody
here
would
have
a
problem
with,
but
comparing
it
to
to
the
ymca
or
the
domestic
violence
center
is
just
total
nonsense.
You
can't
compare
the
two,
so
I've
had
my
peace.
A
Those
are
the
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
this
evening.
Mr
cleve,
you
have
an
opportunity
to
say
anything
you'd
like
to
say
kind
of
in
summation.
Yeah
I
mean
if
you
could
come
up
to
the
microphone
please
just
so
we
can
make
sure
you.
F
G
Ultimately,
we're
all
connected
to
evanston
in
various
ways.
A
lot
of
us
are
neighbors.
A
lot
of
us
aren't,
I
I
would
love
to
have
it
where
the
dialogue
stops
with
these
guys
are
lying.
I've
walked
by
this
place
that
it's
I've
never
seen
a
problem
I
mean
the
people
aren't
here
are
not
lying.
We
we
live
by
it.
We
would
love
to
have
an
end
to
homelessness.
I
mean
that's
a
universal
truth
that
we
all
want.
G
What
we're
we
don't
like
is
that
there's
been
a
level
of
intimidation
and
bullying
and
denial,
and
I
wish
we
could
just
get
above
that
and
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
actually
devise
this
thing
in
a
way.
You
know
that
ultimately
takes
into
account
all
everyone's.
You
know
rights
and
and
privileges,
as
well
as
the
homeless
people
that
are
living.
G
There
is
what
I
say,
but
I
thank
you
all
tough
decision
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
and
like
I
said
where
this
isn't
a
nimby
thing,
even
though
I've
heard
that
term
quite
a
bit.
This
is
just
people
who
want
to
do
right,
but
at
the
same
time
don't
want
to
feel
unsafe
and
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
actually
achieve
that?
I
hope
so
so
that's
it.
J
F
K
All
I
want
to
say
is
everything
that
the
folks
from
connections
have
said
spot
on
that's
great
and
I
think
everything
they
said
was
that
they're
a
homeless
shelter
I
mean,
I
think
that
they
proved
our
point
time
and
time
and
time
again
with
the
services
with
the
folks
that
they
attend.
I
think
they
are
saying
what
we're
saying
that
this
is
a
transitional
shelter
and
then
we
need
to
start
there
and
move
on.
A
A
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
andrew
scott,
with
the
law
offices
of
daikoma
gosset
at
10,
south
wacker
drive
chicago
illinois.
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner
1566
oak
avenue
llc.
Mr
chairman.
The
original
purpose
of
my
request
for
the
continuance
was
because
there
were
a
lot
of
issues
around
the
zoning
administrator's
use
determination
and
rather
than
hear
them
piecemeal.
R
It
was
my
opinion
that
in
the
interest
of
efficiency
and
allow
the
members
of
the
land
use
commission
to
hear
all
testimony
at
one
time-
and
you
know
not
be
thinking
about
some
things
during
the
course
of
the
two
weeks
and
then
coming
back
and
hearing
additional
testimony-
that
it
would
be
more
efficient
to
handle
it
on
may
25th
that
you
know.
R
That
obviously
didn't
happen
in
terms
of
testimony,
but
we
would
be
prepared
to
put
on
our
appeal
on
the
25th,
and
I
think
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
anyone
from
connections,
but
I
think
that
they
would
be
prepared
to
respond
to
the
issues
that
have
arisen
this
evening
on
the
25th.
S
So
our
if
I
could
also
just
briefly
speak,
I'm
william
mckenna
with
the
law
firm
of
foley
and
lardner
representing
connections
along
with
donna
pugh,
and
you
know
we
have
comments
to
make
about
the
administrators,
determination,
sort
of
the
legal
aspects
and
the
definitions,
but
I
don't
intend
to
make
them
tonight
if
his
request
for
continuance
is
granted.
We
just
like
the
privilege
of
assisting
him
with
his
case
at
the
next
hearing.
A
So
my
my
feeling
on
this
is
that
these
are
really
two
different,
distinct
cases
that
are
coming
at
this
issue
from
two
different
approaches.
A
My
understanding
is
that
your
appeal
and
I've
not
viewed
your
appeal,
because
that
packet
has
not
been
presented
to
us
yet
so
I'm
working
off
information
that
has
been
provided
to
me,
but
the
next
appeal
relates
to
the
special
use
that
was
issued
in
1974
and
whether
it
is
valid
still
or
not.
Is
that
correct?
A
That
is
correct?
Yes,
okay,
I
I
will
throw
it
to
the
rest
of
the
commission,
but
my
feeling
personally
is
that
these
are
two
very
distinct
issues
and
we've
heard
testimony
on
this
one,
which
is
our
practice,
even
with
a
continuance
to
allow
people
who
have
come
out
to
speak
to
speak,
so
they
don't
have
to
come
back.
A
R
So
I
think
that
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
in
some
of
the
testimony
that's
been
given
by
mr
cleave
do
raise
the
question
about
the
validity
of
the
special
use
he's
almost
trying
to
relitigate
all
of
the
standards
which,
in
our.
S
Then
I
would
ask
that
the
commission
consider
our
legal
arguments
at
this
point
as
well,
because
we
didn't
sign
up
to
be.
You
know
public
speakers
on.
You
know
the
individual
residents
we're
here
representing
in
the
case
of
connections
the
party
that
sought
the
determination
correct,
and
I
would
think
you
would
allow
us
to
be
heard
on
that
subject.
A
The
the
concern
that
I
have
with
doing
it
in
that
manner
is
that
this
board
can
determine
that.
It
is
a
transitional
shelter,
in
which
case
the
rooming
house
issue
is
settled,
so
the
special
use
that
you
have
already
on
the
property
becomes
a
matter
as
to
whether
or
not
that
special
use,
which
was
granted
for
a
rooming
house.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
I'm
looking
to
to
the
to
the
city
for
this,
whether
that
continues
to
remain
valid.
Based
on
the
the
current
use
of
the
property.
S
A
So
so
connections
didn't
really
sign
up
to
speak
tonight.
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
ahead
of
ourselves
here,
because
we
have
the
question
first
as
to
whether
this
particular
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator
was
correct
or
not,
and
we
can
make
the
determination
that
it
is
a
rooming
house.
It's
a
transitional
shelter.
A
S
A
Connections
is
a
party
and
my
personal
preference-
and
I
I'm
speaking
for
myself
and
not
for
the
entire
board-
is
that
we
would
have
had
a
special
use
application
in
our
hands
already
so
that
we
could
be
deciding
this
case
on
those
merits.
But
that's
not
the
case.
That's
before
us
this
evening.
The
case
that's
before
us
this
evening
has
been
brought
by
neighbors.
Who
say
this
is
not
a
rooming
house
and
then
we
have
to
make
that
determination.
S
A
S
Sure-
and
it's
really,
we
do
support
the
administrator's
decision
and
I'll
be
brief.
You
you've
heard
a
lot
of
these
issues,
but
I
think
you
have
to
take
them
all
in
context,
because
the
neighbors
who
have
appealed
in
in
very
good
faith-
and
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
their
good
faith-
they
have
really
thrown
around
a
term-
that's
not
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
that's
a
homeless
shelter.
S
There
are
specific
terms
in
the
homeless,
shelter
in
in
the
ordinance
and
the
key
terms,
I
think,
are
a
rooming
house,
which
is
what
we
think
this
is.
Why
do
we
think
this
is
a
rooming
house?
Well,
if
you
look
at
the
definition
and
the
administrator
supported
this,
it's
a
building
or
a
portion
thereof
that
can
accommodate
more
than
three
persons,
not
members
of
the
keepers
family
and
where
lodging
excluding
food
service
is
provided
for
compensation.
S
But
we've
got
that
here.
We
pay
per
room
pursuant
to
a
written
memorandum
of
understanding,
75
per
room
per
night
to
the
owner,
and
we
do
not
pay
any
sum
to
the
owner.
There's
no
bundled
price
to
the
owner
for
food.
We
do
not
operate
food
service,
we
do
not
fire
up
the
grill.
We
do
not.
You
know,
there's
an
old
kitchen
there
from
an
old
restaurant
operation.
It
is
not
used
except
we
provide
food,
that's
donated
by
restaurants
and
by
third
parties
to
provide
sustenance
to
some
of
our
residents.
S
But
it
is
not
a
bundled
item
in
which
there
is
a
single
price
paid
for
food
service
and
lodging
and
that's
what
this
definition
is
talking
about.
This
definition
says:
hey
you're,
a
rooming
house.
If
you
provide
rooms
for
a
price
without
food
pricing
bundled
in
so
we
think
that
is
the
single
closest
definition.
You've
got
and
you're
on
all
fours
with
it
a
lot
of
talk
about
transitional
shelter.
S
This
does
not
fit
with
transitional
shelter
because,
first
of
all,
that's
for
an
emergency
basis
only
for
the
temporarily
homeless
and
there's
a
lot
of
additional
standards
there,
including
limitations.
You
can
only
stay
in
there
for
12
hours
a
day
if
you're
a
transitional
shelter
and
that
the
occupants
then
have
to
leave
during
the
day.
So
you
just
to
try
and
fit
this
use
into
that
definition.
S
S
What
else
do
you
have?
You've
got
a
sheltered
care
home
which
is
defined
in
the
ordinance,
but
that
really
doesn't
fit,
because
that
has
a
specific
requirement
of
24-hour
supervision
and
monitoring
of
the
mental
and
health
status
of
the
residents
who
are
incapable
of
maintaining
a
private
or
independent
residence.
S
So
those
we
think
are
the
relevant
definitions
and
we
think
your
administrator
got
it
right.
You
know
we
we
may
differ
with
her
about
whether
the
current
special
use
is
expired,
but
that's
for
another
day.
So
we
won't
even
talk
about
that,
but
we
think
that
is
the
correct
definition.
When
the
zoning
code
and
one
of
the
commissioners
asked
a
question
about
special
use
and
if
it's
determined
by
this
board
that
our
current
special
use
is
expired,
we'll
apply
for
another
one,
and
at
that
point
it's
going
to
be
like
any
other
special
use.
S
We're
going
to
be
subject
to
all
the
standards
in
the
code
we're
going
to
meet
our
burden
of
proof
on
all
that,
at
a
public
hearing
and
to
the
extent
there
are
either
negotiated
or
staff
requested
or
commission
approved
conditions
on
our
operations.
H
S
Well,
a
transitional
shelter
has
a
number
of
different
restrictions
that
might
not
be
met
by
us.
There
are
limitations
on
the
maximum
number
of
applicants
it
just
you
know
we
are
much
more
like
a
rooming
house
than
a
transitional
shelter,
because
we
don't
our
our
residents,
have
full
utilization
24
hours
a
day
of
their
rooms
and
the
common
areas
within
the
facility
transitional
shelters.
You
got
to
be
out
12
hours
a
day,
you're
you're
you're
shifted
out
onto
the
street.
S
Actually,
in
the
zoning
code
for
a
transitional
care
home,
but
what
what
I'm
saying
is
you
we
could
not
run
the
marguerite
in
like
it's
being
run
as
a
rooming
house,
where
people
homeless
people
live
there
currently
24
hours
a
day
for
as
you've
heard
from
some
of
the
testimony
fairly
lengthy
periods
of
time
up
to
a
year.
In
some
cases,
if,
if
you
are
a
transitional
shelter
under
the
ordinance,
it's
they
line
up
and
leave
in
the
morning
and
they
line
up
and
come
back
in
the
evening
you're
out
12
hours
a
day.
E
A
A
A
That's
my
preference
as
well,
so
all
right,
so
with
that
matter,
we
will
close
the
record
and
go
into
deliberation
and
make
our
our
determination
on
this
matter
this
evening.
A
One
thing
I
would
just
like
us
to
focus
on
again
is,
as
we
have
our
discussion
this
evening,
keep
ourselves
very
focused
on
what
it
is
we're
discussing,
because
this
is
kind
of
a
complicated
issue
and
the
fact
that
there
are
multiple
issues
that
will
be
coming
down
the
road
that
we
will
also
be
asked
to
address,
but
that
this
particular
request
is
this
particular
appeal
addresses
the
matter
as
to
whether
or
not
the
zoning
administration,
the
zoning
administrator,
was
in
error
when
she
made
her
decision
that
this
is
indeed
a
rooming
house
and
I'll
open
it
up
for
anybody
who
has
thoughts.
I
Well
I'll
start.
I
First
of
all,
I
agree
that,
within
the
the
definitions
that
we
have
in
the
ordinance,
currently,
the
ruling
house
seems
to
be
the
best
fit,
but
you
know
the
there's
also
a
considerable
amount
of
discussion
about
how
the
facility
operates
that
you
know
it
says
to
me
that
this
is
really
not
a
ruminant
house
and
that
we
need
a
specific
definition
for
what
whatever
this
hybrid
model
is,
and
so
you
know,
that's
that's
my
concern.
Is
that
really
we
don't
have
a
definition
that
really
fits?
I
What
is
being
you
know
how
the
facility
is
operating,
so
you
know
I
guess
the
question
becomes.
I
Do
we
have
to
pick
a
definition
that
is
in
at
the
ordinance
currently
or
can
we
you
know
side
with
the
appellant
and
say
to
you
know
the
connections
for
the
homeless,
that
you
know
what
we
really
need:
a
different
definition
to
address
the
broader
the
broader
question.
A
At
present,
because
this
is
a
matter
that's
up
before
us
at
this
particular
time-
and
if,
if
we
were
to
ask
connections
to
the
home
connections
for
the
homeless,
to
submit
a
request
for
a
special
use,
they're
going
to
have
to
pick
something
in
our
definitions
to
apply
for
and.
A
And
with
no
guaranteed
outcome
on
that
either
you
know
we
can
propose
something,
but
city
council
would
have
to
adopt
whatever
was
proposed.
Yeah.
I
Agreed,
but
I
I
think
that
the
the
dilemma
here
is
that
I
think
both
sides
make,
you
know,
make
strong
arguments,
and
I
think
that
the
the
real
dilemma
is
that
we
do
not
have
a
suitable
definition
for
this
kind
of
facility
and,
while
you
may
be
able
to
you
know
apply,
you
know
if
there's
a
special
use
application
depending
on
how
the
second
appeal
comes
out.
You
know
you,
you
would
still
run
into
the
issue
of
applying
specific
standards
that
would
address
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised.
A
D
D
The
extent
of
the
social
services
that
are
available
that
need
to
be
available
and
while
connections
for
the
homeless
may
pay
rent
to
the
landlord,
the
residents
themselves
do
not
pay
rent,
which
seems
to
sort
of
knock
out
the
intent
of
that
definition
of
rooming
house.
So
I
don't
see
how
it
meets
the
standards.
As
a
rooming
house,
I
would
like
to
think
we
can
come
up
either
with
something
or
as
we
go
through.
H
I
want
to
draw
our
attention
to
page
20
of
the
packet
because
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
unfocused
already
we're
not
trying
to
decide
the
suitability
of
a
rooming
house
and
we're
not
trying
to
come
up
with
a
new
definition
tonight.
Everybody-
I
think
here
probably
agrees
that
the
definitions
available
are
not.
None
of
them
are
perfect.
H
D
So
chair
rogers
is
that
correct?
Are
we
judging
the
decision
by
the
zoning
administrator
as
opposed
to
simply
saying
we
do
not
agree
with
the
definition
of
ruling
house
for.
A
The
problem
that
is
correct-
we're
not
here
to
debate
the
argument
as
to
whether
or
not
the
rooming
house
definition
is
a
legitimate
definition
like
I
said
we're
going
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
hear
several
different
cases
on
this
particular
one,
and
so
the
appeal
that's
before
us
today
is
given
the
definitions
that
we
have,
because
we
cannot
create
a
new
definition.
A
A
Facility
that
seems
to
be
the
four
that
everyone's
focused
on
you
know,
I'll
I'll,
just
throw
in
kind
of
where
I
am
on
this
and
looking
at
the
definitions,
there's
a
couple
things
that
that
do
sort
of
concern
me
about
about
how
this
operates,
but
again
with
the
definitions.
We
have
the
words
I'm
looking
at
in
particular
and
and
where
I
went
with
my
my
questioning
of
the
of
the
woman
who
works.
A
I
and
I
can't
remember
her
name
and
I've
handed
the
sheet
off
about
you-
know
I'm
a
homeless
person
and
I'm
coming
in
trying
to
fit
in
and
and
so
when.
I
look
at
a
transitional
shelter.
A
One
of
the
words
I
see
there
is
emergency
and
if
I'm
being
asked
to
wait
for
a
couple
days,
a
couple
weeks
whatever
to
me
that
doesn't
address
an
emergency
in
looking
at
a
rooming
house,
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
discussions
that
come
up
is
compensation,
but
it
does
say
that
it's
with
compensation,
whether
direct
or
indirect,
and
so
if
connections
for
the
homeless
is
paying
the
margarita
in
to
house
people.
That
is
an
indirect
payment.
A
It's
not
coming
directly
from
from
the
person
who
is
homeless,
but
they
there
is
a
payment
going
for
for
their
operation.
A
T
Just
if
one
were
to
go
with
one
or
the
other
definition,
what
is
than
the
practical
outcome
in
terms
of
connections
operations
subject
to
regulation,
you
know,
is
all
this
pending.
The
two
upcoming
appeals.
What
what
practical
effects
would
this
death?
This
decision
have,
because
the
neighbors
are
raising
obviously
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
one
way
or
another.
T
I
think
the
definitions
are
you
know
where,
as
commissioner
linwell
pointed
out
we're
in
a
middle
ground
here,
I
don't
think
it
meets
either
definition
actually
in
terms
of
what's
actually
happening,
but
but
perhaps
it's
something
to
staff.
What
is
the
practical
consequence
of
are
deciding
one
way
or
another
this
evening.
A
A
A
The
record
is
closed.
At
this
point,.
A
T
I
could
just
follow
up,
so
if
one
were
to
call
this
transitional
shelter
again,
how
would
that
practically
impact
the
operations
of
connections.
T
A
Where
I
would
like
this
other
regulated
right
so
where
I
would
like
us
to
go
with
this
again,
I'm
I'm
a
little
distraught
that
we
we've
come
this
far
into
the
conversation
and
connections
for
the
homeless
has
not
applied
for
anything.
A
They
seem
to
be
just
kind
of
biding
time,
because,
typically,
when
someone
is
found
to
be
in
violation
of
something
which
we
we've
had,
the
determination
made
that
the
existing
special
use
is
not
valid.
Now
we're
hearing
an
appeal
on
that,
but
the
appeal
process
stops
the
clock,
as
does
the
application
process.
A
Once
we
make
a
decision
on
that
appeal
in
two
weeks,
three
weeks
whatever
it
is,
then
all
the
decisions
are
made
and
if
we
determine
the
special
use
is
not
valid,
then
connections
for
the
homeless
is
not
operating
validly
any
longer,
and
so
they
have
to
remedy
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
us
to
to
address
with
connections
for
the
homeless
this
evening
is.
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
a
special
special
use.
A
Application
submitted,
they've
been
operating
in
this
manner
for
two
years,
and
so
they
don't
have
to
draw
plans.
There's
nothing
like
this.
This
is
all
about
their
operations
and
I
would
like
that
to
be
submitted
so
that
we
actually
have
an
application
in
hand,
so
that
when
we
make
a
decision
in
two
or
three
weeks,
whether
or
not
the
special
use
is
valid,
we
know
exactly
where
we're
going
with
the
third
meeting,
which
will
be
a
hearing
on
a
special
use.
A
I
Yes,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
the
the
the
question
is
really
a
simple
one,
and
the
appeal
is
is,
is
this,
you
know
a
rooming
house
or
is
it
not
something
else?
We
don't
have
to
say
what
the
something
else
is,
and
there
are
ways
you
know
so
so
I
think
that
that's
where
the
focus
is,
and
I
think
that,
given
the
description
of
the
operation,
you
know,
I
don't
think
it's
a
rooming
house,
you
know
it,
it's
not
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
the
same
as
the
ymca.
I
It's
actually
not
the
same,
as
as
a
number
of
the
you
know,
the
student,
you
know
rooming
houses
that
are,
you
know
in
other
neighborhoods
in
evanston
that
provide
you,
know
roomy
house
services.
They
don't
provide
meals.
Necessarily
so
you
know
so
I
I
so
that's
kind
of
my
thought
process
and
and.
I
That's
you
know,
so
I
think
that
the
the
the
question
is
whether
or
not
we
agree
that
the
zoning
administrators
determine
you
know
she
she
found
the
best
fit,
but
the
question
is
whether
or
not
that's
the
correct
fit.
A
I
I
think
probably
yeah
yeah
you
the
logic,
I
mean,
there's
logic
there
you
know,
but
you
know
do.
I
think
it
was
the
correct
decision,
no,
which
you
know.
D
I'd
like
to
know
where
that
other
language
came
from,
that
seems
a
rather
rather
strong
language
to.
A
I'm
going
to
ask
for
input
from
this
side.
You've
been
very
quiet,
so
I'd
just
like
to
get
the
thoughts
from
the
commissioners
on
this
side.
I.
U
Mean
taking
into
consideration
all
the
neighbors
and
everybody,
but
I
do
agree
with
administrator
klotz
and
her
decision
on
rooming
house,
because
a
transitional
shelter
is
basically
you
don't
really
live
anywhere.
I'm
sorry!
U
N
C
Decision
of
the
administrator,
I
think
that
in
her
power
was
to
make
a
decision
based
on
current
ordinance,
and
she
had
only
the
definitions
in
front
of
her,
so
making
the
closest
one
is
the
one
I
think
her
decision
was
right
on
the
more
important
part.
What
actually
this
is,
I
would
say
we
don't
have
a
definition
that
is
close
to
what
the
actual
business
model
I
would
call.
This
way
of
connections
for
homeless
is-
and
this
is
important-
that
probably
we'll
have
to
have
this
one
for
the
current
status
of
things.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
do
have.
Should
I
go
through
your
four
standards
that
you
had
to
adhere
to.
E
I
would
recommend
that
that
you
address
the
standards
when
you're,
making
a
determination.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Is
there
anything
anybody
else
would
like
to
add
at
this
particular
moment
before
we
go
through
standards.
T
Commissioner,
huco
and
again
maybe
I'm
beating
a
dead
horse
if
one,
if
one
does
not
feel
this
meets
the
definition
of
boarding
house,
even
though
that
you
know
that's
the
best
definition,
perhaps
given
the
paucity
of
good
definitions,
does
that
mean
that
you're
then
saying
it
is
a
transitional,
shelter
or
you're?
Just
saying
it's.
A
J
A
To
it
has
to
be
applied
in
somewhere,
so
if
it's,
if
it's
not
a
rooming
house,
it
has
to
be
something.
T
T
A
A
I
E
Chair
rogers,
I
I
would
recommend
that
the
commission
either
makes
a
determination
on
what
other
use
it
should
be
or
determines
that
a
text
amendment
should
be
applied,
for
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
leave
it
up
to
connections,
because
in
theory,
then
that
could
continue
to
be
appealed
on
on
whatever
use
they
choose
over
and
over.
So
I
I
think
the
best
approach
is
that,
if,
if
the
zoning
administrator's
determination
is
not
correct,
that
a
determination
is
a
specific
determination
is
made
or
request
for
text
amendment.
T
A
A
So
we
we
do
find
that
in
her
determination,
a
rooming
house
is
a
defined
definition,
which
is
a
building
or
portion
thereof,
containing
lodging
rooms
that
accommodate
more
than
three
persons
who
are
not
members
of
the
keeper's
family
and
where
lodging
excluding
food
service
is
provided
for
compensation,
whether
direct
or
indirect.
A
A
Again,
this
is
not
making
the
determination
that
this
is
a
rooming
house.
It's
just
saying
she
selected
something
that
is
a
definition
in
the
ordinance.
Second,
one
is
no
use.
Interpretation
shall
permit
any
use
in
a
district
unless
evidence
shall
be
presented
that
demonstrates
that
it
will
comply
with
the
general
district
regulations
established
for
that
particular
district.
A
We
do
find
that
a
rooming
house
is
defined
as
a
special
use
within
the
r6
district,
which
is
what
this
is
and
that
that
that's
that's
the
way
that
that
that
she
has
chosen
to
define
it,
but
it
does
fit
within
this
particular
district.
So
I
believe
that
standard
also
has
been
met.
A
So
and
looking
at
this,
we
find
that
that
in
sort
of
looking
at
where
this,
this
sort
of
fits
based
within
this
particular
district
and
the
types
of
uses
that
are
permitted
there.
Obviously,
in
an
r6
district,
we
find
multiple
family
dwellings,
shelters
for
abused
persons,
residential
care,
type,
residential
care,
home
type,
1
and
type
2,
and
a
hotel
and
a
transitional
shelter.
A
So
this
is
kind
of
where
that
question
comes
in
as
to
is
the
rooming
house,
the
best
definition?
Obviously,
this
is
not
a
multi-family
dwelling,
because
it's
not
it's
not,
does
not
have
the
kitchens
and
is
not
individual
units,
as
one
would
think
of
a
particular
separate
living
unit.
They
are
dependent
on
other
services
outside
of
their
unit.
A
A
It
is
not
a
residential
care
home
type,
one
or
type
two,
because
this
this
is
not
necessarily
a
place
where
people
occupy
it
as
a
behaving
in
a
similar
style
to
a
family,
which
is
what
those
facilities
would
do
a
hotel.
Obviously
this
is
not
a
hotel,
because
that
is
typically
transient
guests
who
come
and
go
very
quickly
and
then
the
final
definition
being
the
transitional
shelter.
And
this
is
where
we're
going
to
have
the
disagreement.
A
I
I
I
don't
want
to
use
unique
use
because
that's
got
a
special
definition
in
our
zoning
code,
but
you
know
it's
it's
different
than
than
the
other
similar
uses
and
and
that's
you
know,
the
c
is
where
I
have
the
the
problem
and
and
for
that
reason
I
don't
believe
that
standard
is
met
and
that's
why
I
would
not
support
the
zoning
administrator's
determination.
A
All
right,
the
fourth
standard
is
if
the
proposed
use
is
most
similar
to
a
use
permitted
only
as
a
special
use
in
the
district
in
which
it
is
proposed
to
be
located,
then
any
use
interpretation
permitting
such
use
shall
be
conditioned
on
the
issuance
of
a
special
use
permit
for
which
for
such
use
pursuant
to
section
635.
A
This
is
something
that
we'll
be
discussing
at
the
next
hearing,
because,
right
now,
as
the
zoning
administrator
stands,
her
decision
stands
at
this
particular
time.
She
has
found
that
it
is
no
longer
a
valid
special
use,
but
that
it
is
a
rooming
house
which
is
permitted
in
this
district
under
a
special
use
license.
A
A
So
I
believe
that
this
standard
is
met
at
this
particular
moment
in
part
through
the
fact
that
it
is
a
rooming
house
that
is
permitted,
but
that
the
the
valid
special
use
is
no
longer
are.
The.
The
special
use
is
no
longer
valid
pending
the
appeal
that
comes
before
us
next
time.
A
And
finally,
no
use
interpretation
shall
permit
the
establishment
of
any
use
that
would
be
inconsistent
with
the
statement
of
purpose
of
the
district
in
question.
A
The
r6
district
is
our
densest
district
in
residential
before
we
get
into
the
downtown
core.
So
this
is
something
that
we
would
expect
to
see
happening
there
and
again
it
being
a
room.
A
rooming
house
makes
it
a
an
existing
sp,
an
eligible
special
use.
So
I
believe
that
standard
has
been
met
as
well.
A
Anyone
want
to
make
sen
said
motion,
preferably
in
the
affirmative,
if
we
have
it
just
because
we
typically
like
to
do
an
affirmative
as
opposed
to
a
negative
motion,
so.
D
A
I
The
motion
to
uphold
the
zoning
administrator's
decision
that
this
is
a
rooming
house.
A
So
it
has
been
moved
by
commissioner
lindwall.
Is
there
a
second
I'll
second
seconded
by
westerberg
any
further
discussion
hearing?
None,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
roll
call
vote
on
this,
even
though
we
no
longer
have
to
do
roll
call
votes.
I
don't
think,
but.
T
C
A
We
must
have
a
a
majority
convert
concurrent
vote
of
members
of
the
board,
whether
the
positions
are
seated
or
not.
We
currently
are
a
board
of
10
people,
which
means
we
need
six
concurring
votes
either
in
favor
of
something
or
in
favor
of
in
favor,
of
supporting
something
or
in
favor
of
denying
something.
A
So
this
matter
will
be
continued
for
the
final
vote,
but
that
at
the
next
meeting
I
will
question
the
commissioners
who
were
not
present
this
evening.
There
will
be
no
additional
testimony.
A
One
thing
that's
come
up
that
I
that
I
mentioned
that
I
would
like
to
see.
Is
I
don't
know
how
rest
of
the
commission
feels
on
this?
I
would
very
much
like
to
see
connections
for
the
homeless,
submit
a
special
use
application
sometime
within
the
next
10
days,
so
that
we
can
get
this
case
on
the
docket
and
depending
on
what
happens
at
the
next
appeal.
A
A
Thank
you
I'd
appreciate
it
very
much,
and
that
way
we
will
have
something
before
us
to
discuss
during
that
special
use
application
process.
Should
the
appeal
at
the
next
meeting
fail
that
will
be
an
opportunity,
then
for
people
to
request
conditions
on
the
particular
property
and
how
we
would
move
forward
in
in
connections
continuing
to
operate
in
this
procedure.
Should
that
advance
through
us,
through
p
d
and
through
city
council,
we
are
only
a
recommending
body
on
that
particular
matter
on
a
special
use,
but
I
would
like
to
get
that
process
started.
A
So
we
aren't
in
this,
as
mr
dillo
said,
we're
kind
of
in
this
gray
area
of
limbo.
So
I
would
very
much
appreciate
that
and
ask
that
that
happened.
A
E
A
A
Thank
you
and
and
do
know
that
we
we
do,
try
to
be
as
fair
and
and
and
make
our
considerations
based
on
the
facts
before
us,
and
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
adjourn.