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A
A
This
is
the
November
9th
2022
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
Commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council.
B
A
President
with
six
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff,
our
planner
Katie
ashbaugh
assistant,
City
attorney
Brian
George,
zoning
administrator
Melissa
klotz
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams
and
plan
arcade,
Sterling
Sarah's,
also
sitting
off
in
the
corner,
but
Community
develop
interim
community
development.
Director
Sarah
flax
is
also
in
the
room.
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
A
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
dress
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that
person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
we'll
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
Define
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
A
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
We're
in
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard.
The
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
a
fact,
based
on
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
A
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet,
our
meetings
are
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and
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recorded.
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make
sure
that
you're
at
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asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
may
be
properly
recorded,
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
B
A
A
D
Minor
correction:
on
page
eight
of
the
minutes
under
a
I
just
want
to
make
a
punctuation
thing,
so
it
would
read.
The
Practical
difficulty
must
not
be
self-created,
and
in
this
case
it
is
period
and
then
start,
therefore,
with
a
capital
T,
just
to
make
sure
it's
Crystal
Clear
that
that's
the
case.
All.
A
Right,
thank
you
any
other
edits
to
the
minutes
from
October
26th
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approval
of
the
minutes
for
October
26
2022,
please
say
aye.
E
A
Any
opposed
anyone
need
to
abstain
because
they
were
not
here
so
with
that
there
are
seven
votes
in
favor
and
the
minutes
are
approved.
B
Public
hearing
for
a
special
use
permit
321
Howard
Street
case
22zmjv-0073,
Jamal
al-halali,
lessee
requests
a
special
use
permit
for
a
convenience
store
to
sell
food
Beverages
and
tobacco
products,
and
the
B3
zoning
District.
In
accordance
with
zoning
code.
Section
6-9-4-3,
the
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
section
6-3-5-8
of
the
Evanston
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92-0-21,
and
this
is
continued
from
October
12
2022..
A
F
Attorney
Tom
Lucas
303
root,
Street
Park,
Ridge,
Illinois
60068.
Thank.
F
F
F
F
C
A
You
we
received
a
new
floor
plan
which
was
just
handed
out
to
us
right
before
the
meeting
and
I
I'm
trying
to
do
a
quick
little,
but
maybe
it'll
be
easier.
If
you
just
tell
me
what
has
changed
on
the
floor
plan,
the.
F
Only
thing
that
changed
was
on
the
right
corner,
where
it
says
glass
shelves
all
the
way.
At
the
end,
it
just
added
that's
where
the
tobacco
will
be.
F
Would
be
a
case
and
it'll
be
behind
the
counter
and
there'll
be
glass
separating
the
customers
from
the
tobacco.
A
Okay,
okay,
because
it's
right
by
the
front
door!
So
that's
why
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
yeah
questions
from
commissioners.
G
Professor
Hallock
yeah:
this
is
an
well
it's
a
question.
The
eight
recommendations
from
Dapper
you've
mentioned
one
or
two
of
them.
Are
you
willing
to
comply
with
all
of
those?
Yes,.
F
H
H
I
F
Also,
if
I
may
add,
if
you
can,
you
can
tell
sort
about
the
floor
plan,
there's
not
going
to
be
maybe
there's
10
percent
of
the
square
footage
of
the
store
is
tobacco
related.
A
A
And
that's
that's
seven
days
a
week,
yes,
okay
and
the
number
of
employees
that
you're
anticipating
would
be
in
the
store
at
any
one
time
three,
and
is
there
parking
for
those
employees
or
where
will
they
Park?
A
And
you
mentioned
that
you
are
familiar
with
the
city's
litter
collection
plan
that
you're
responsible
for
for
policing
within
250
feet
of
your
property,
whether
it's
your
trash
or
someone
else's
trash
just
to
keep
the
area
clean
and
I
know.
We
mentioned
the
eight
conditions
that
Dapper
had
gone
done:
I'm,
sorry
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
get
those
in
the
record.
A
So
when
we
go
to
make
the
motion
on
this,
we're
aware
of
what
we're
all
talking
about
the
first
one
being
that
the
cashier
is
located
at
the
front
of
the
store
tobacco
sales
should
not
exceed
50
of
total
sales
or
floor
display.
Storefront
window
obstruction
is
restricted
to
the
height
of
three
feet
above
the
grade
that
any
deliverables
must
be
done
in
the
alley
that
are
refuse
receptacle
is
to
be
placed
near
the
cashier
and
is
to
be
accessible
to
customers.
A
That
litter
in
front
and
rear
of
the
store
is
to
be
cleaned
up
by
the
store
owner
hours
of
operation
limited
to
the
times
we
discussed
7
A.M
to
10
p.m
daily
and
that
prior
to
a
certificate
of
occupancy
issuance
of
floor
plan,
be
provided.
That
shows
the
tobacco
products
behind
sales
counter,
which
is
what
we
received
this
evening.
J
F
We
won't
allow
any
lawyering
from
the
store
we've
anticipate.
Most
of
the
customers
would
be
a
pedestrian
and
there's
some
parking
I
believe
in
front
of
the
store,
but
we
don't
anticipate
any
as
far
as
causing
any
accidents.
It's
a
small
store,
I,
don't
see
any
like
a
congestion
occurring
as
a
result
of
the
store
opening.
A
If
not
I'll
ask
if
there's
anybody
else
here
who
wish
to
speak
to
this
matter,
I,
don't
see
anyone
signed
up
so
Mr
Lucas.
Is
there
anything
you
would
like
to
say
in
summation
before
we
close
the
record
and
go
into
deliberation?
No.
A
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
go
close
our
record
and
go
into
deliberation
again.
We
are
recommending
modern
body
for
this
particular
item,
since
it
is
a
special
use.
Permit
city
council
will
be
the
final
determining
body.
General,
thoughts
from
Commissioners,
I
would
say
based
on
comments
and
questions.
There
don't
seem
to
be
major
concerns
with
this
project.
A
A
The
first
one
is
that
it
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
This
is
the
B3
business
district
and
a
convenience
store
is
one
of
the
special
uses
that
is
listed
in
that
area
number
two:
it
complies
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan
and
zoning
ordinance.
A
We
do
try
to
to
repurpose
and
keep
our
business
districts
occupied
and
active
as
someone
who
lives
not
far
from
this
area.
I
know
that
there
have
been
times
where,
where
this
this
particular
block
has
struggled
to
get
some
businesses
in
there
and
so
I'm
happy
to
see
something
making
a
go
of
it
there
and
because
of
the
the
foot
traffic
there
I
I
think
it
will
also
be
easily
accessible
to
the
public.
So
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
A
Number
three:
it
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses
as
a
category
of
land
use,
there's
very
limited
opportunity,
I
think
for
this.
To
to
create
interference
with
other
special
uses
in
the
area,
this
is
a
residential
I'm.
Sorry,
this
is
a
commercial
area,
not
a
residential
area,
and
so
I
anticipate
that
this
would
be
a
good
fit
for
this
particular
location.
A
A
We
don't
have
anybody
showing
up
to
object
to
this
particular
property,
so
I
believe
that
this
standard
is
met
number
five:
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
This
is
an
area
that
has
sidewalks
seat.
Bus
lanes
are
not
bus
lanes,
but
bus
traffic,
bike,
Lanes
and
so
I
I
believe
that
that
everything
could
be
met.
This
is
not
something
that's
going
to
place
a
huge
strain
on
the
city's
facilities
and
services,
so
that
standard
is
met.
Number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
There
was
a
question
from
commissioner
manchev
to
this
effect
again
having
having
been
in
this
area.
Quite
frequently,
you
get
the
occasional
car
that
stops
in
the
area,
but
there
is
no
parking
directly
in
front
of
this
building
if
I
remember
correctly,
but
I
do
believe
that
they
will
rely
heavily
on
pedestrian
traffic
and
bicycle
traffic.
So
I
don't
believe
that
will
be
a
problem
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical,
architectural
resources.
I.
Don't
think
that
this
building
has
any
specific,
architectural
or
historical
protections.
A
I
will
say
that
it
is
a
very
nice
building
with
a
terracotta
facade,
it's
been
around
for
a
while,
and
so
it's
nice
again
to
see
something
going
in
there.
That
standard
is
met
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features.
This
is
a
commercial
area
where,
basically,
things
run
lot
line
to
lot
line.
There
is
no
real
natural
or
environmental
features
that
could
be
protected
under
this
and
number
nine.
A
A
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
this
applicant
would
not
meet
any
any
licensing
that
would
be
required
by
the
city
to
have
a
a
a
convenience
store
and
therefore
I
believe
that
standard
is
also
met.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
finding
on
standards?
Yes
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
again
paying
particular
attention
to
the
eight
conditions
that
were
listed
under
the
Dapper
discussion.
A
Is
there
a
second
I've
been
moved
by
Linville
and
seconded
by
plutell?
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing
none?
Would
you
like
to
call
the
role.
B
A
A
K
Maievsky
Architects
applicant
requests
the
following
major
variations
from
the
Evanston
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
adaptive
use
to
multi-family
residential
in
the
R6
General
residential
district
24
dwelling
units
where
14
are
permitted
code,
section
6884,
a
rear
yard
setback
of
zero
feet
where
25
feet
is
required
and
7.5
feet
is
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition.
Code,
section,
6887
and
10
least
off
street
parking
spaces,
or
a
parking
ratio
of
0.275
per
bed
or
19
spaces
or
a
ratio
of
0.55
per
bed
is
required.
Code
section
6,
16,
3,
5
table
16
B.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Sterling,
with
that
I
will
ask
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
come
up.
I
don't
know
who's
presenting
and
if
you
would
just
please
give
us
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
J
E
L
Right
all
right,
so
here's
our
project
at
1453,
Maple,
Avenue,
it's
the
Masonic
temple
building.
Many
of
you
are
I'm
sure
all
of
you
are
aware
of
the
building,
because
it's
a
it's
an
important
cultural
building
and
neighborhood.
L
It's
got
a
you
know,
build
originally
by
a
prominent
architect,
large
masonry,
building
very
sort
of
iconic
in
the
in
the
area,
a
local
landmark
of
Evanston.
It
is
eligible
for
the
national
register
of
these
sort
of
places
and,
like
I
mentioned
the
very
prominent
architect
there,
Halliburton
Roche
in
1926.,
and
importantly,
this
is
a
property
that
has
been
located
within
evanson's
Transit,
oriented,
Development
Area
and,
as
we
mentioned
before,
in
the
R6
District,
okay,
so
the
building's
primary
facades.
L
As
you
see
on
the
top,
there
are
the
Western
and
front
facade
and
in
the
southwest
side,
which
you
see
there
on
the
right,
the
top
some
important
features
of
the
building
are.
You
know,
obviously,
the
masonry
detailing
these
very
tall
double
case:
cement,
wood
windows,
some
ornamentation
on
the
south,
on
both
primary
facades,
really
which
we'll
be
talking
about.
L
And
other
facades,
you
know
the
one
on
the
top
left,
there's
the
north
Assad,
which
I'm
kind
of
in
the
courtyard
as
I'm
taking
this
photo
here,
but
it
is
visible
from
the
streets,
though
not
quite
as
visible.
So
it's
kind
of
more.
Like
the
you
know,
I'm
here
I'm
in
the
street
on
the
top
right
image
there
The
Alley
facade
on
the
East,
which
you
see
on
the
bottom
Mr.
A
L
You
all
right,
I
trust.
This
is
better
yes,
okay,
okay,
so
on
the
bottom,
we
have
our
a
couple
of
images
of
our
East
facade,
which
is
the
Ali
facade
and
we're
kind
of
getting
cut
off
there
at
the
bottom,
I
suppose.
But
there
is
a
I
wanted
to
point
out
on
the
there.
You
go
on
the
on
the
Alley
side.
L
All
right,
great
okay,
so
the
building
is
an
adapter
for
use
to
residential,
and
so
much
of
the
Interior
is
being
changed
for
units
or
amenity
areas.
However,
we
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
wanted
to
preserve
this
entry
experience
the
historical
Lobby
we
want
we're
going
to
preserve
it,
just
as
you
as
you
see
it.
Now
all
the
materials
refurbished
or
refinished
and
so
you'll
enter
into
this
Lobby
before
you
either.
You
know
in
our
Corridor
or
the
elevator,
get
up
to
a
unit.
L
L
There
is
an
addition
of
a
wheelchair
lift
to
provide
accessibility
on
the
Western
Front
facade,
and
you
know
these
old
historic
windows
are
going
to
be
replaced
in
kind
to
wood
windows
and
there
are
a
couple
of
new
windows
as
well.
L
Okay,
all
right,
let's
go
through
our
variations.
We
were
asking
for
three
variations,
as
Kade
mentioned
earlier,
the
first
one
is
lot
size
or
a
lot.
It's
really
about
density
of
units
because,
as
you
know,
the
the
allowable
density
of
a
side
is
a
function
of
the
lot
size
and
is
you
know,
sort
of
meant
to
be
controlled
in
new
construction
by
setbacks
and
the
height
of
the
building?
L
Well,
we've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
unique
situation
here,
because
if
our
building
takes
up
much
more
of
the
site
than
a
new
building
would
be
allowed
to,
and
if
we
were
to
stick
with
what
the
City
of
Evanston
would
allow
by
right
for
our
lot
size
in
terms
of
unit
density,
and
we
would
just
end
up
with
units
that
are
larger
than
what
is
typical
for
the
market.
L
They
would
end
up
being
you
know
expensive
and
it's
you
know
we
just
needed
to
make
the
building
viable
by
creating
units
that
are
similar
to
what's
in
the
market
in
the
in
the
locality
and
so
we're
asking
Evanston
to
increase
our
right,
our
units
from
14
to
24
and
then
we're
utilizing
three
affordable
units
from
the
housing
ordinance
which
gets
us
a
bonus
unit.
A
couple
bonus
units
for
every
affordable
unit
and
that
gets
us
a
total
of
30
units.
L
Mostly
units
are
one
bedroom,
but
there's
a
mix
of
different
types,
Studios
and
two
bedrooms
and
a
three
bedroom
as
well
and
the
affordable
units
are
are,
you
know,
have
a
similar
mix,
I
think
there's
a
studio,
one
bedroom
and
a
two
bedroom.
L
All
right
so,
in
general,
we're
looking
to
really
treat
the
building
with
a
light
touch
on
the
exterior,
we're
not
looking
to
add
any
additional
volume
to
the
top
of
the
building
or
to
add
any
sort
of
you
know
extravagant
or
style,
mixing
volumes.
This
is
just
about.
We
do
have
to
add
Windows
to
get
some
light
into
some
of
the
units,
and
so
you'll
see
that
we
are
putting
some
of
those
windows
in
place
of
some
masonry
detailing
other
than
that.
L
Okay,
so
just
a
little
information
about
our
units,
as
I
mentioned
before
we,
you
ought
to
use
the
existing
Rhythm
of
the
South
facade
to
dictate
the
location
of
demising
walls,
but
the
units
themselves.
You
know,
because
especially
you
know
kind
of
Kick
this
off
on
this.
Whenever
we
realize
we've
got
these
big
tall,
thin
windows
in
the
facade
it
sort
of
lends
itself
and
also
just
the
location
of
the
existing
floors,
lends
itself
to
these
lifestyle
units.
L
Oh
we
have
a
mezzanine,
and
you
know
the
demise
wanted
demise
and
well
dimension
is
a
little
tight,
but
you
get
a
little
bit
extra
bedroom
space
up
above
so
generally,
the
units
I
think
they're
about
you
know
for
a
one
bedroom.
I
think
average
is
about
750
square
feet.
L
So
yeah
and
and
again
they're
based
on
the
local
market.
You
know
we
expect
many
people
in
residencies
Transit.
This
is
about
people
who
want
to
live
a
walkable
or
bikeable
or
Transit
oriented
lifestyle.
That's
who
we
expect
to
be
interested
in
in
these
these
units.
L
Okay,
our
second
variation,
the
reduction
of
parking.
You
know,
like
I,
said,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
building
takes
up
a
lot
of
the
site.
It's
a
big
masonry.
Building,
it's
really
not
feasible
to
put
parking
within
the
building
which
we
originally
looked
at.
L
You
know,
because
of
these
heavy
masonry
walls
we
would
have
to
you
know
completely
restructure
the
building
and
also
just
to
get
a
ramp
down
to
the
basement
would
take
up
a
lot
of
space,
it's
just
unfeasible
and,
of
course,
the
site
condition
as
well,
there's
just
no
space
for
cars,
and
so
we
will
be
locating
parking
off-site
within
a
thousand
feet
at
the
Holiday
Inn
and
we're
asking
for
a
reduction
of
parking
from
by
half
from
you
know.
The
requirement
is
0.25
per
bed,
we're
looking
for
0.5
I'm.
L
Sorry,
the
requirement
is
four
five:
five
for
bed,
we're
looking
for
0.25
for
a
bet,
and
that
yields
us
a
total
of
10
parking
spaces.
L
And
then
again,
I
was
just
mentioning
those
heavy
masonry
walls
and
so
just
as
a
little
support
for
that
claim,
you
can
see
just
the
the
dimension
that
it
would
take
for
a
single
Drive
aisle
with
90
degree
parking,
it's
just
wider
than
any.
You
know
any
direction,
rather
north
or
south
of
that
big.
You
know
masonry
wall
that
makes
up
the
spine
of
the
building
there.
L
Okay,
as
mentioned
before,
this
is
part
of
the
transit
oriented
development,
District
and
and
we're
you
know
it's
part
of
our
support
for
the
increase
in
density
as
well
as
that
we
expect
many
of
our
residents
to
meet
their
needs
without
a
car.
We
think
that's
who's
going
to
be.
You
know
interested
in
this
development.
That's
who
this
development
is
going
to
attract
and
further
put
together
a
little.
You
know
map
showing
how
that's
feasible
right.
We
show
here
Transit
options,
biking
trains
within
a
five
and
ten
minute
walk.
L
L
And
our
building,
like
I
said
before,
is
going
to
be
releasing
the
10
parking
spaces
from
the
Holiday
Inn
and
I'm,
showing
a
door-to-door
dimension.
Here,
it's
less
than
a
thousand
feet.
I
think
the
requirement
is
lot
lined
a
lot
line.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
drive
home
that
it's
really
just
a
couple
blocks
away.
L
All
right,
our
third
variation
is
about
this
rear
setback,
not
as
Cade
mentioned
before
we
got
an
existing
non-conforming
condition
and
I
pointed
out
that
basement
protrusion
earlier
that
basement
protrusion
goes
out
to
zero
lot
line
and
what
we're
doing
there
is
we're
going
to
cut
most
of
that.
You
know
section
of
the
Northeast
part
of
that
bulkhead
down
to
grade
level,
it's
going
to
allow
some
stacking
in
the
trash
and
they
were
adding
that
volume
there
that's
just
to
contain
our
dumpsters
and
our
recycling
bins.
L
L
Just
diagrammatically,
as
I
was
mentioning
before
so
here
in
the
bottom
right.
You
see
that
we're
cutting
that
those
two
images
in
the
bottom,
showing
a
previous
and
proposed
condition
of
that
bulkhead
from
the
basement.
Bringing
Down
the
grade-
oh
I,
forgot
to
mention
that
our
our
trash
volume-
it
also
includes
a
means
of
egress
from
the
second
means
it
regress
from
the
units,
and
that's
that
the
white
door
that
you
see
there.
L
Okay,
so
just
in
terms
of
trash
disposal
capacity,
you
know,
multi-family
development
here
in
Evanston
are
going
to
have
trash
pickup
twice
a
week
for
30
units
that
comes
out
to
you
know:
7.5
cubic
yards
of
capacity
for
a
week
which
we
use
two
two
cubic
yard
containers
service
twice
a
week.
That's
eight
cubic
yards,
just
a
little
backup
about
what's
being
stored,
I
think
they're,
two
yeah,
like
I,
said
two
cubic
yard,
containers
dumpsters
rather
and
then
a
couple
of
95
gallon
recycling
bins
are
also
in
that
trash
enclosure.
L
Oh
and
I'll
mention
that
we
have
a
compost
bin
there
on
the
on
the
upper
right
of
the
drawing
okay.
I
want
to
show
you
this
image
here:
oh
I,
guess
it's
hard
to
see,
but
in
our
in
that
basement,
bulkhead
currently
just
houses
a
bunch
of
mechanical
units,
kind
of
a
blight
in
the
alley
at
the
moment,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
redo
all
the
mechanical.
Obviously,
so
we're
relocating
all
that
stuff
to
the
roof.
L
We're
going
to
be
building
a
mechanical
platform
above
the
roof,
because
we've
got
a
kind
of
a
unique
sloping
situation
there
and
you
know
speaking
with
the
neighborhood
last
week,
there
was
some
concerns
about
The
Noise
by
the
mechanical
equipment
so
and
we
really
took
that
and
tried
to
react
and
we're
now.
Screening
I
think
this
is
different
from
the
previous
presentation
that
you
saw,
but
we're
now
screening
the
all
the
mechanical
units
on
our
full
sides.
L
Okay
and
then
another
little
piece
of
development
here
on
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site
on
the
front
elevation
and
we've
got,
we've
got
to
provide
accessibility,
access
to
the
building,
and
originally
you
know
we
kind
of
were
kicking
around
this
idea
about
not
touching
the
front
facade
at
all.
They
start
just
to
avoid
any.
L
You
know
changes
the
historic
nature
of
it,
and
so
we
were
looking
at
the
alley
as
a
potential
entrance,
but
you
know
in
the
end
we
we
came
to
realize
that
it
just
didn't
feel
fair
to
have
to
enter
from
the
from
the
alley
and
in
the
interest
of
of
equality,
we
didn't
have
to
move
the
wheelchair,
live
back
on
the
front
and
sort
of
a
condition
that
came
out
of
our
land.
L
Our
meeting
with
Landmark
was
that
we're
going
to
investigate
screening
or
some
other
way
to
bring
back
the
Symmetry
or
the
front
facade,
because
so,
whether
that
be
be
through
screening
or
some
other
way,
we're
committed
to
the
investigating
that
with
staff
moving
forward.
L
Okay,
so
here
on
our
South
facade,
which
is
the
larger
elevation
here
on
the
right,
those
masonry
reliefs
that
have
a
wreath
detail
in
them
or
being
those
Square
shapes
who
are
being
replaced
with
double
casement
windows,
very
similar
to
what
you
see
on
the
front
and
the
and
underneath
those
windows
and
the
existing
historic
windows.
L
All
of
the
existing
historic
windows
in
this
facade
are
also
being
replaced
and
kind
with
wood
windows.
You
know
insulated
wood
windows,
the
front
facade.
There
are
no
new
windows,
just
replacing
in
kind
the
windows
there
and
also
refurbishing
the
door
and
various
other
details,
including
the
the
landing
of
the
stair.
You
know:
cleaning
masonry,
refurbishing
all
the
electrical
lighting
Etc.
L
And
then,
here
on
a
rear
facade
here
on
the
left,
you
see
that's
our
trash
volume,
our
rear
elevation.
We
are
both
replacing
in
kind
and
adding
new
windows
and
in
the
locations
where
we're
removing
Windows.
There
are
also
located
like
in
the
center
there,
where
there
was
a
historic
window
and
it's
just
going
to
be
matched
with
the
Limestone
Masonry.
L
Oh
sorry,
I
forgot
to
mention
our
North
facade
there
on
our
Northwest
side.
We
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
get
some
some
light
and
air
and
a
little
inside
balcony
to
some
of
these
units,
because
on
the
northwest
side
we
have
these.
L
We
do
have
you
know
a
bunch
of
windows
but
they're
going
to
be
inoperable,
because
that
wall
is
that
zero
lot
line,
and
so
we've
gone
ahead
and
introduced
inset
balconies
that
have
operable
windows
they're
like
six
feet,
inset
I
believe
and
that's
the
shapes
you
see
with
X
through
them,
of
course,
and
the
windows
are
rendered
in
a
blue
shade.
L
Okay,
we
we
don't
expect
any
issues,
meeting
the
the
seven
es
bmir
items
from
the
Green
Building
ordinance.
We
just
listed
Seven
here
that
we
are
targeting.
L
Currently,
this
you
know,
may
change
one
or
two
items
in
the
future,
but
speaking
with
our
our
mechanical
and
electrical
Consultants,
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
any
problem
meeting
all
of
these
seven
here,
okay
and
that's
all,
but
we
just
like
to
kind
of
go
to
one
of
these
units
with
the
inside
balconies
that
you
can
see
on
the
North
side
here
previous
meetings
is
we
had
some
questions
just
about
what
was
happening
on
that
facade,
so
I
just
want
to
give
everybody
a
chance
to
see
on
the
floor
plan
over
on
the
North
side,
how
those
inside
balconies
kind
of
pull
away
from
the
facade
and
give
the
the
residents
a
chance
to
to
get
some
air.
A
Are
there
any
questions
for
Mr
bro,
commissioner
Hallock
yeah.
G
I
had
my
first
question
is
for
staff.
Could
you
explain
clearly
the
what
is
landmarked
in
this
in
this
on
this
building?
The
facade
is
one,
but
what
about
the
interior
is
that
part
of
the
landmarking
or
not.
K
No,
our
code
doesn't
doesn't
cover
any
interior
for
any
Landmark
designation.
G
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
comments
about
saving
the
where
the
interior
I
had
a
couple
other
questions,
one
of
them
we've
we've
reviewed
a
lot
of
projects
in
the
past
several
months
or
a
couple
years
that
haven't
gone
forward
and
I
just
wondered
if
you
knew
the
status
of
financing
for
this
project
and
when
you
go
through
the
approvals
and
building
permit
and
all
that
would
be
in.
As
far
as
you
know,
financing
is
all
in
place
or
not.
L
E
Hi
Gary
Stoltz,
1200,
North,
North,
Branch,
Chicago,
Illinois
financing
is
not
yet
secured,
we're
working
through
final
pricing
and
we
anticipate
a
number
four
to
five
months
of
the
entitlement
process
so
and
then
a
permitting
process.
So
for
us
we
feel
like
we
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
right
now
of
the
project
economics,
but
we
have
not
even
pursued
financing
yet
not
at
all.
Okay
part
of
me,
we
own
the
building
outright
and
it
is-
and
we
do
not.
M
C
E
We
we
bought
the
building.
Okay,.
G
Okay,
my
last
question
is:
is
a
big
one.
G
I
personally
have
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
on
the
on
the
punch
openings
on
the
facade,
they're,
nice
and
uniform
and
rhythmic,
and
they
they
look
great
and
I
I.
Think
generally,
it's
a
good
idea
to
restore
buildings
like
this.
G
So
I
I
have
no
issue
with
the
number
of
units
or
that
what
I
have
an
issue
with
is
not
it's
not
one
of
the
variances
you're
asking
for,
but
it's
the
handicapped
or
accessible,
lift.
That's
in
the
front.
Frankly,
I
I
I
think
it's
an
eyesore
I
mean
I
I
I,
just
I
and
I,
so
I've
gone
out
to
the
site
and
I've
looked
at
this
and
I've
looked
at
looked
at
your
plans
and
not
as
carefully
as
you
have,
but
I
have
two
questions.
G
One
of
them
you
did
say
that
the
north
facade
is
on
zero,
zero,
not
light
line
right,
so
there's
no
room
to
put
it
on
the
side,
but
the
first
parking,
the
the
concrete
parking
barrier
on
the
high-rise
lot.
That's
to
the
north
of
you,
where
there's
a
parking
parking
lot
to
the
north.
The
distance
between
that
bumper
and
the
your
building
is
seven
feet
and
I
realized.
There's
a
car
overhang
in
there.
G
But
if
you
and
that's
not
your
property
I
understand,
but
did
it
ever
occur
to
you
to
talk
to
the
your
next
door
neighbors
and
ask
if
you
could
buy
a
little
square
out
of
that
unused
portion
of
their
lot
to
put
this?
So
it's
not
smack
dab
right
at
the
front
facade
right
next
to
the
main
staircase,
which
I
think
is
very
bad.
E
We
have
not
asked
them
to
purchase
that
I
think
mechanically,
it's
a
little
complicated
to
purchase
a
non-strip
right.
So
if
we
just
wanted
to
purchase
a
little
carbon
of
their
land,
I
think
that's
mechanically
difficult
to
do.
I
think
it
came
up
in
the
community
meeting
that
perhaps
there
was
a
way
to
work
with
them
on
an
easement
which
I
think
neither
party
would
be
interested
in
long
term
just
because
that
would
be
something
difficult
to.
C
E
E
Right
we
also
explored
ramps
and
on
the
south
facade,
but
the
length
of
that
ramp
would
have
to
be
it's
most
of
the
length
of
that
South
facade
and
that
doesn't
seem
like
a
great
option
either.
So
we're
open
to
any
suggestions
and
I
think
landmarks
had
thoughts
about.
Maybe
there
is
a
way
to
screen
this
symmetrically
so
that
we
build
a
similar
volume
opposite
or
mirrored
about
the
stairs
which
we're
not
a
fan
of,
but
we
I'm.
G
Not
a
fan
of
that
either
and
I
think
it
just
takes
one
problem
and
multiplies
it
by
two
I,
the
other
I,
the
other
thought
I
had
and
I
again
for
the
Architects
and
I.
Don't
know
your
plans
very
well,
but
I
looked
at
the
stairway,
that's
in
that
corner
on
the
inside
of
the
building
and
wondered
if
you
could,
if
you
had
a
door
into
off
that
facade
from
facade,
but
if
you
could
somehow
finagle
the
the
interior
of
that
stair
to
include
a
lift
that
would
get
you.
G
You
know
out
into
that
front.
Vestibule.
L
G
G
Didn't
draw
anything
but
I
I
I,
just
mentally
kind
of
looked
at
it
and
said
without
knowing
too
much
it
might
work.
N
M
N
G
N
Well
on
this
plan,
so
this
is
the
ground
floor
plan,
meaning
you'll
go
up
those
about.
N
G
I
understand,
but
if
you
didn't
have
double
doors,
you
had
a
single
door
and
maybe
the
other
door
let
in
led
into
that
a
lift
that
was
in
the
corner
of
that
stair.
That's
I'm,
just
suggesting
that
that
might
work
here.
Here's
where
it
is
for
me
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
project,
except
for
that
and
if
we,
if,
if
we
end
up
approving
it,
I
would
feel
very
strongly
that
that
we
approve
it.
With
the
exception
of
the
location
of
that
that
lift.
N
Well,
I
know
that
we
did
have
I
gotta,
say
these
similar
discussions
with
with
landmark
and
Dapper.
As
far
as
you
know,
this
is
the
primary
facade
of
the
building.
We
understand
that
obviously
I
mean
we're
architecture.
We
don't
want
to
touch
this
I
mean
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
preserve
the
building
as
best
we
can.
Obviously,
accessibility
is
very
important.
N
One
of
the
conditions
that
we
did
have
from
Landmark
was
to
work
with
staff
to
look
for
ways
to
the
and-
and
they
were
specifically
talking
about
screening
the
lift
somehow,
but
that's
definitely
something
that
we
can
work
with
staff
to
see
if
they
can.
G
N
You
know
I
I,
don't
think
that's
technically
feasible,
I
mean
we
did
study
that
kind
of
early
on,
and
but
it's
something
that
we
can
investigate
again
as
part
of
this
well.
G
H
I
was
also
glad
to
see
that
you
do
include
or
do
intend
to
provide
screening
around
the
HVAC
on
the
roof,
and
that
was
good
to
hear
Dave.
You
had
a
chance
to
think
about
the
materials
you'd
use
up
there,
or
are
you
not
at
that
point
yet
to
discuss
that.
N
Well,
right
now
the
I
mean
we're
looking
at
mechanical
louvers,
really
more
for
Acoustics
the
the
building
to
the
north,
that
is
a
brick
wall,
we're
not
facing
into
any
windows
or
anything
like
that.
So
the
platform
I
mean
we
are
set
back.
The
required
five
feet,
I
believe
from
the
the
front
elevation,
but
right
now,
right
now
we're
we're
showing
screening
up
there.
We
haven't
fully
investigated
exactly
what
that
is.
At
this
point.
N
H
L
A
C
L
N
Mean
a
ground
floor,
so
if
a
typical
one
bedroom,
for
example,
would
be
500
square
feet
at
the
ground
level
and
then
it'll
have
the
staircase
that
goes
up
to
the
mezzanine
level,
which
is
another
200
250
square
feet.
So
a
typical
one
bedroom
would
be
about
750
square
feet.
Okay,
so
we
do
have
some
units
that
don't
have
that
mezzanine
and
they'll
just
have
that
ground
floor
level
and
those
would
be
around
roughly
around
450
or
500.
H
Just
a
brief
discussion
on
parking,
which
is
what
we
always
like
to
talk
about
at
these
at
these
events,
I
think
the
only
question
I
have
is
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood
of
people
using
the
street.
If
you're
only
going
to
lease
a
certain
amount,
as
you
said
at
the
Holiday
Inn
I
can
still
tell
you
that
that
walk
may
not
feel
comfortable
for
some
people
late
at
night,
so
that
does
push
or
could
push
some
folks
to
parking
on
the
street.
H
There
are
two
lots:
I
know
the
opposite
sides
of
the
street,
so
this
is
really
a
question
more
for
the
city
is:
how
are
those
lots?
How
is
the
parking
and
those
lots
controlled
and
are
those
lots
used
at
a
hundred
percent.
K
H
H
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
it
worth
having
you
lease
more
parking
spaces
to
make
sure
they
are
available
and
working
with
the
city
over
time
to
see
whether
or
not
they're
needed?
Let's
say
over
the
first
two
to
three
years
of
the
development
just
to
make
sure
we
have
a
chance
to
monitor
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
So
that's
something
you'd
be
open
to.
E
And
just
to
clarify
I'll
answer
that
in
just
a
second
but
just
to
clarify
we
have
reached
out,
we
did
reach
out
to
the
YMCA.
We
didn't
get
a
response
early
on
at
the
urging
of
council
member
noon.
Smith
we
reached
out
again
in
this
past
week
and
have
not
heard
back.
That
would
be
the
preferred
location
or
that
lot
across
the
street,
that
for
exactly
the
reason
you
outlined
the
holiday
and
just
happened
to
be
the
closest
one
that
we
could
secure
leases
for.
E
We
are
we're
definitely
open
to
discussing
increasing
that
number.
I
think
it
depends
on
where
they're
located
as
well,
there's
an
economic
side
to
it,
and
that's
not
something
that
we
plan
to
charge
to
the
tenants,
something
that
we
are
paying
as
part
of
operating,
so
we're
definitely
opening
I.
Think,
let's
from
our
perspective,
we'd
love
to
be
closer,
and
if
the
economics
worked,
we
would
be
happy
to
at
least
30
if
that
made,
the
neighborhood
feel
more
comfortable
with
the
potential
Demand
on
streets.
H
E
H
K
D
C
L
L
Let's
use
this
one,
so
I,
as
you
mentioned
just
so
everyone's
aware
of
those
Dash
lines
there
under
grade,
are
you
know
window
wells
or
Windows
in
the
basement,
and
these
are,
you
know,
essentially
retaining
walls
that
allow
light
to
get
into
those
units.
We're
talking
about
the
south
facade
here.
So
we're
talking
about
direct
sunlight.
N
Yeah
so
right
right
now
we're
showing
a
guardrail
fall
protection
required
by
code,
so
we
do
anticipate
some
Landscaping
there
right
now
it's
not
displayed
on
on
on
the
drawing,
but
but
right
now
you
know
we
do
need
the
guardrails
by
code
and
anticipate
that
there
would
probably
be
some
Landscaping
there.
L
We
haven't
gotten
to
that
level.
I
think
we
show
it
in
site
plan.
We
show
landscape
screening
like
like,
dense
bushes,
a
line
of
bushes
around.
D
Again,
on
the
parking,
the
least
parking
intention,
your
intent
is
to
pay,
for
the
you
know,
provide
the
parking
to
the
residents
without
kind
of
a
pass-through
fee
that
wouldn't
be
a
separate
fee.
Is
that
how
how
have
you
right.
D
Yeah,
okay,
so
I,
guess
then
the
question
becomes,
you
know
what
happens
if
more
tenants
have
cars
and
want
to
have
parking.
N
E
I
think
it
would
be.
We
would
hope
that
wherever
we
are
renting
spaces,
for
we
could
rent
more
as
part
of
that
and
I
think
if
we
provide
a
parking
space
at
no
charge
to
one
of
the
early
renters,
we
would
owe
the
same
to
a
later
record.
You
can't
charge
half
the
building
and
not
charge
the
others,
so
I
think
the
short
answer
is.
We
would
try
to
find
another
rented
spot
for
that
tenant.
D
E
D
Up
to
whatever
the
number
you
know
so
I
think
what
was
it
19
spaces
that
you
would
normally
be
required
to
spay
to
provide
so
that
that
I
mean
I
could
see
something
like
you
know,
10
and
then
up
to
you
know,
19
spaces,
whatever
yeah.
E
I
think
we're
open
to
that
I
think
it's
part
of
again
the
location
and
trying
to
figure
out
right.
D
O
Hi,
can
you
walk
us
through
your
thought
process
for
the
design
of
of
the
units
and
the
layout
throughout
the
building?
At
first
glance,
my
impression
is
that
it's,
it
seems
awfully
dense
with
a
lot
of
units
crammed
into
the
space
I.
Imagine
you
had
different
Alternatives
and
you're
trying
to
think
through
how
many
levels
Lofts
no
Lofts.
O
L
Yeah
I
guess
the
first
thing
I
would
point
out
is
that
it's
not
as
if
the
bedrooms,
the
living
rooms
are
much
smaller
or
even
you
know
smaller
relative
to
what's
you
know,
other
newer
develops
in
in
the
area
that
you
were
a
lot
of
one
bedroom
units.
You
know
we
could
provide
two
more
two
three
bedroom
units,
but
you
know
it's
just
gonna
be
the
same
amount
of
people
more
or
less
the
same
amount
of
bedrooms.
You
know
the
units
I
think
they
feel
tight.
The
building
is,
is
Big.
It's
massive.
L
You
know,
like
I
said
we.
It
is
a
little
different
that
they're
tighter,
but
we
provide
mezzanine
above
and
so
the
square
footage
is.
You
know
it's
very
comparable
to
other
new
developments
in
the
area.
I
mean
that's
first
thing:
I
want
to
point
out
about
the
units,
I
think
the
area
and
volume
us
you
know.
We've
got
these
15
foot
ceilings
go
ahead,
Mike
yeah.
N
I
would
say
you
know
one
of
the
complexities
here
when
we
were
working
when
we
were
laying
the
units
out
was
really
windows
so
to
preserve
the
the
primary
historic
elevations
I.
Guess
that
would
be
the
South
elevation
and
west
elevation
right,
then
there's
a
certain
window
rhythm
of
Windows
and
that
really
did
dictate
kind
of
where
those
you
know
so
to
have
a
a
unit
take
up
more
than
those.
N
You
know
two
two
days
of
Windows
but
I
mean
the
units
would
be
incredibly
large,
I
mean
so
the
the
placement
that
we
have
actually
kind
of
worked
out.
I
mean
750
square
feet
per
seat
for
a
100
unit.
We
don't
believe
it's
small,
it's
actually
I
mean
we
do
a
lot
of
housing
projects.
A
lot
of
student
housing
projects.
I
mean
this.
N
Is
you
know
you
know
the
units
are
17
feet,
I
believe
17
feet,
wide
kind
of
from
wall
to
wall,
and
and
really
that
was
dictated
by
trying
to
preserve
the
facade
of
the
building.
So
we
knew
that
with
you
know
again,
it's
a
landmark
structure.
We're
trying
to
preserve
the
facade
I
mean
that's
the
ultimate
goal
here:
to
try
and
preserve
building
right,
I
mean
right.
N
Now,
it's
a
you
know:
it's
been
sitting
vacant
for
a
very
long
time,
converting
it
into
some
sort
of
I
mean
we
did
look
at
converting
it
into
events.
N
N
You
know
chair
event,
space
I
mean
talk
about
parking
and
the
impact
that
we
have
on.
You
know
on
the
on
the
neighborhood.
You
know
those
are
things
that
you
know
our
client
didn't
look
at
and
and
it
it
didn't
I
guess
the
economics
went
there
to
make
that
happen.
We
did
the
band
wasn't
there
for
that,
but
you
know
being
located
in
the
transit
oriented
area
where
the
city
is.
N
You
know
you
know
in
the
ordinance
where
they're
kind
of
promoting
this,
this
type
of
Lifestyle,
where
we're
close
to
public
transportation-
and
you
have
all
these
amenities
near
nearby
in
this
size
unit,
a
750
square
foot
unit
would
be
it's
it's
a
unit
where
we
believe
that
the
residents
that
would
be
interested
in
living
in
these
in
these
spaces
would
very
likely
not
have
cars
like
that
thing
that
they
want
I
mean
there's,
obviously
no
guarantee
tell
you
who's
going
to
live
in
her
exactly
how
many
colors
they
have,
but
but
the
idea
that
it
isn't
a
Transit
oriented
development
and
we
believe
that
these
units
will
actually
be
very
special.
N
I
mean
these
are
tall
volume
spaces.
You
know
we're
wait,
I
believe
we
came
up
with
a
with
a
pretty
creative
solution.
To
use
these
spaces,
I
mean
it's
a
tall
volume
space,
so
we
narrowed
up
the
unit
we
put
in
the
mezzanine
and
they're
very
unique
spaces.
N
I
mean
it's
just
tall
volume
space
you're,
going
to
get
that
natural
light
coming
in
through
these
very
tall
windows
that
you'll
be
able
to
experienced
throughout
the
whole
unit,
and
and
really
that
was
the
idea
behind
the
unit
is,
you
know,
that's
kind
of
how
the
units
came
to
be
the
way
that
we
were
these
tall
volume
spaces
on
the
upper
level.
We
have
these,
it's
you
know
these
steel
bow
trusses
be
exposed.
D
N
It
wasn't
anything
that
was
dictated
because,
as
kid
pointed
out,
it's
not
something.
That's
that's
regulated,
but
we
did.
You
know
our
client
did
have
a
3D
computer
scan
done
of
the
entire
building.
We
have
the
entire
building
laser
scanned,
exterior
and
anterior.
So
we
have
everything
documented
down
to
the
bolts
on
the
trusses,
so
anything
that
they
can
reach
with
a
with
a
laser
scan.
We
have
that
digitally,
captured
and
preserved.
Okay.
D
N
The
idea
was
that
the
initial
idea
was
that
this
was
good.
You
know
we
were
going
to
try
and
preserve
as
much
as
we
can.
Obviously
there's
there's
a
good
amount
of
work
with
the
demising
walls
coming
in
there,
but
the
idea
was
that
you
know
we
have
this
kind
of
this
clash
between
the
old
and
the
new
right,
so
that
you
know
again
that's
a
very
unique
character,
I
kind
of
alluded
to,
for
example,
the
roof
trusses,
the
steel
trusses
that
are
up
there.
N
That
would
be
kind
of
exposed
and
again
that
would
be
a
really
neat
feature
for
the
you
know
the
units
that
are
up
on
the
upper
levels,
Adam
reference,
the
the
the
interior,
the
the
entry.
N
You
know,
so
that
kind
of
the
historic
character
there
that
will
will
refurbish
and
and
keep
that
kind
of,
in
keeping
with
the
the
character
of
the
building
so
I
mean
you
know
the
intent
is
that
we
will
try
and
preserve
what
we
can
I
mean,
there's
a
good
amount
of
work
here
that
has
to
be
done,
but
but
yeah.
The
idea
is
that
that'll
be
part
of
the
the
interesting
feature
of
this
building
is
just
the
look
and
feel
with
these
units.
L
There
are
also
a
couple
of
interior
features
that
we
are
in
our
current
plan:
saving
and
they're
part
of
the
units,
like
you
can
kind
of
see
in
that
Center
unit.
There
there's
a
fireplace
and
the
demising
wall
there.
That's
a
that's
existing
currently.
So
there's
like
a
the
amazing
world's
got
lots
of
detailing
Millwork
detailing
or
trim
rather,
and
the
fireplace
itself
we're,
preserving
and
using
as
part
of
the
unit.
L
E
And
I
think
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
been
in
the
building,
but
just
to
point
out
that
there
are
only
a
handful
of
built-in
features.
So
there
are
some
bookcases
we're
going
to
repurpose
in
a
lower
level.
There's
the
fireplace
there's
a
Lobby,
the
lower
level
unit
there,
it's
kind
of
an
existing.
It
was
like
a
a
raised,
Library
mezzanine
with
a
unique
Steels
there
that
we're
going
to
keep.
So
there
are
anything
that
is
an
existing
feature.
That
is
interesting.
That
is
not
standard.
Perhaps
we
want
to
preserve
I.
E
J
L
Okay,
that's
a
great
question.
So
actually
this
came
out
of
our
most
recent
Dapper
meeting.
We
were
discussing
with
them
how
inaccessible
person
uses
disposes
of
their
trash.
It
sort
of
became
evident
that
without
some
kind
of
mechanism
in
the
building
to
dispose
of
your
trust
from
the
ground
floor,
someone
who
is
a
wheelchair
abound
would
have
to
go
out.
A
L
L
L
The
Explorer
and
closer
yes,
the
one,
the
element
that
I
was
saying.
Maybe
some
investigation
was
just
what
type
of
you
know,
let's
say
shoot
you
opened.
J
Together,
yeah
all
right,
I
understand
and
the
other
the
other
question
once
again
about
the
trash
enclosure.
You
have
an
egress
from
there
and
the
door
I'm.
Sorry,
this
is
architectural
question.
The
door
to
the
trash
enclosure
opens
to
the
egress
right.
Is
this.
L
It's
okay!
It's
a
it's
allowed
by
code
right
as
long
as
it's
ready
to
do
or
in
a
rated
enclosure,
it
is
has
to
close
on
its
own.
Some.
A
Other
questions
from
commissioners,
if
not
I,
just
have
one
quick
one.
Have
you
given
thought
to
where
the
affordable
units
will
be
placed
within
the
building?
We.
L
Have
and
we've
we've
spoken
with,
the
I
believe
offensive
housing.
Okay,
we
we
told
them
the
units
what
they
are
they.
What
is
the
correct
terminology
approved
or
agreed
with
our
placement
of
the
units?
There.
A
A
Fine,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
going
to
just
stick
all
the
affordable
units
in
the
basement.
Commissioner
Johnson,
you
have
a
question.
Yes,.
P
I
did
thank
you,
so
you
spoke
to
the
holiday
and
about
the
10
parking
spaces.
They
said
they
have
10
they're
they're
amenable
to
to
leasing
time
correct.
L
Then
we
have
a
draft
agreement
that
we
submitted
to
you
guys
to
show
that
they're
they're
available
they're.
You
know
which
is
kind
of
a
matter
of
working
the
the
lease
out.
P
E
When
it
was
determined
that
we
would
require
11,
we
asked
for
11..
They
said
they
have
that
they
said
they
had
more
available,
but
that
it's
it's
it's
fluid
for
them
in
terms
of
those
spaces,
so
they
rent
the
majority
of
those
spaces
out
on
that
floor
to
the
neighborhood.
So
if
we
have
not
asked
to
reserve
more
than
11,
but
they
implied
that
they
were
regularly
or
available
so.
P
They
did
imply
that
they
are
regularly
available,
okay,
so
it
it
seems
like
in
your
estimation,
that
they
have
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
lease
more.
You
just
didn't
have
a
specific
conversation
about
that.
E
We
asked
for
the
11.,
and
that
is
what
they
provided
the
lease
for
based
upon
the
earlier
conversation
and
feedback
from
the
community.
It
sounds
like
that
location
may
not
be
great
for
other
reasons,
so
yeah
we're
happy
to
look
for
something
else.
Okay,
thanks.
A
All
right
with
that
I
do
have
several
citizens
who
have
signed
up
so
I'll.
Ask
you
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
a
seat
and
I
have
one
two:
three
four
citizens
who
have
signed
up
I'm
not
going
to
be
real
strict
on
time,
but
please
do
keep
your
comments,
succinct
and
relevant
to
the
matters
at
hand.
C
Thank
you,
Commissioners
density
is
a
very
good
word.
I
want
to
remind
you
that
the
preservation
commission
could
not
address
interior
issues
because
that's
not
in
their
purview.
You
are
left
with
dealing
with
interior
issues.
Tonight,
you're
the
only
ones
who
have
that
opportunity,
while
I
feel
the
project
addresses
exterior
design
issues
recently
well
I'm
much
more
concerned
about
the
proposed
impact
on
this
project
as
on
important
interior
spaces.
In
the
building.
As
noted
in
the
October
11th
preservation
Commission
meeting
the
Masonic
temple
is
one
of
evanston's
most
intact
and
significant
institutional
resources.
C
C
C
There
are
those
were
issues
that
the
reservation
commission
could
not
address,
since
their
preview
was
limited
only
to
the
exterior
one
way
the
applicant
can
see
can
seek.
Favorable
review
tonight
is
that
it
is
to
offer
a
major
concession
and
that
concession
would
be.
The
reduction
in
the
number
of
units
requested
said
that
both
aesthetic
integrity
and
minimal
alteration
of
the
Interior
spaces
is
enthusiastically
acknowledged
and
embraced,
and
the
historical
context
of
the
building's
original
use
be
retained
by
the
way
I'm
Jack
Weiss
408th
street.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Weiss.
The
second
person
I
have
signed
up
for
this
evening
is
Jennifer
Gandy.
Q
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jennifer
Grande
and
I'm,
a
property
owner
on
the
1500
Block
of
Maple
Avenue
I
live
Three,
Doors
Down
from
the
Masonic
temple,
so
I
have
a
strong
vested
interest
in
what
happens
with
this
project
I'm,
also
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
condo
board
at
the
Lafayette
building,
which
is
the
only
Condo
building
on
that
block
of
maple.
Q
So
I'm
not
going
to
delve
into
the
James
Jane
Jacobs
famous
idea
about
eyes
on
the
street,
promoting
both
City
vibrancy
and
safety.
I'm
sure
this
panel
knows
that
pretty
well
your
zoning
officers.
What
I'd
like
to
express
is
how
demoralizing
it
has
been
to
live
on
a
block.
That's
been
bookended
by
a
mostly
vacant,
duralect
retail
commercial
buildings
at
the
North,
Maple
and
Grove,
and
then
a
totally
vacant
derelict
Masonic
temple
to
the
south
at
Maple
and
lake.
Q
At
alternating
points,
the
Masonic
temple
has
been
a
Dumping
Ground
for
shopping
carts
and
garbage,
and
its
Friend,
stupid
and
Landing
has
been
an
overnight
Expo
shelter
for
unhoused
individuals.
This
is
my
block.
It's
my
home
and
it's
home
to
many
other
families
and
individuals
on
that
block.
What's
perhaps
even
more
demoralizing
is
the
potential
of
maintaining
the
status
quo,
which
is
quiet
at
all
costs.
It's
been
a
vacant
building
for
over
six
years.
Q
The
proposed
plan
to
retrofit
new
apartments
into
the
envelope
of
the
Masonic
temple
is
completely
within
the
character
of
this
block.
It's
in
similar
nature
to
everything
else
around
it,
which
represents
various
Shades
and
missing
metal
housing.
These
include
the
70
unit,
Maple
Grove
apartment
building,
built
in
1965.
three
different
structures
built
in
1920s,
including
a
three
flat,
my
own
11
unit,
Condo
building
and
the
YMCA
men's
residence.
Q
These
buildings
house
a
diverse
population
ranging
from
graduate
students
to
seniors
renters
and
owners,
a
variety
of
income
levels,
racial
groups
and
abilities
to
touch
on
the
third
rail
of
parking.
I,
don't
have
an
issue
with
the
plan.
Neither
does
my
condo
board
if
we
want
to
discuss
parking
restrictions
on
the
surrounding
blocks.
Perhaps
that's
a
conversation
for
the
body
that
sets
those
restrictions.
Q
It's
precisely
why
I
bought
on
this
block
and
why
some
of
my
residents
in
My
Condo
building,
bought
on
this
block,
mandatory
parking,
minimums
enforcing
public
accommodations
of
what
our
personal
purchases
by
Zoning
for
every
potential,
residential
and
Commercial
development
will
do
nothing
but
create
more
vehicle
traffic
and
where
there
is
more
vehicle
traffic.
There
is
inevitably
more
particulate
emissions
that
we
all
breathe
in
carbon
emissions
accidents
and
pedestrian
fatalities.
This
destructive
oroboros
needs
to
stop.
Q
Evanston
wouldn't
exist
as
it
is
today
if
there
was
mandatory
parking
minimums
in
the
early
in
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
centuries,
and
we
will
destroy
the
community.
We
live
in
if
we
continue
to
impose
them
in
closing
as
property
owner
on
the
Block,
where
this
project
will
be
in
speaking
for
the
Lafayette
condo
board.
Please
allow
this
project
to
go
forward
as
proposed.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Grant.
Is
it
Grandy
or
Gandy
Randy
Grandy?
Okay,
it
was
misspelled
on
the
form.
Next
up,
I
have
Karen's
gonzert
I
apologize
if
I'm
mispronouncing
your
name.
R
Hi,
my
name
is
Karen
sconcert
I'm,
a
homeowner
on
the
1500
Block
of
Maple
Avenue
I
own,
a
condo
in
the
Lafayette
building
and
I
know
that
people
feel
really
passionate
about
this,
both
because
there
there's
some
feeling
about
renting
and
about
parking.
R
So
I'm
a
homeowner
but
I've
also
been
a
renter
many
times
and
everyone
probably
has
been
or
will
be
at
some
point
in
their
life.
I,
don't
have
any
issue
at
all
with
having
more
renters
on
the
street.
We
live
next
to
a
building
that
has
70
units
in
it
that
building
the
Maple
Grove
has
ample
parking.
That's
almost
empty
I,
don't
know
if
you
looked
into
renting
spaces
from
them.
There's
less
than
a
third
of
those
spaces
are
taken
up.
R
Most
of
the
people
that
live
in
that
building,
walk
so
I
think
it
should
be
fine
to
find
parking
for
people
if
they
need
it.
But,
as
the
previous
speaker
just
stated,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
make
that
our
priority
in
an
area
where
you
can
walk
to
literally
six
places
to
buy
groceries
within
three
or
four
blocks.
So
I
don't
know
that
we,
you
know
we
need
all
of
that
parking.
R
I,
really
welcome
the
idea
of
vibrancy
and
resilience
of
an
additional
population
of
renters,
probably
a
lot
of
graduate
students,
young
professionals,
people
who
want
to
live
near
Transit
and
and
keep
our
downtown
vibrant,
there's
plenty
of
amenities
and
there's
plenty
having
more
people.
There
will
just
continue
to
support
and
maintain
a
vibrant,
downtown
commercial
area.
That's
why
I
live
here.
I've
lived
in
in
much
less
dense
places
and
it's
just
a
lovely
thing
to
be
able
to
walk
places
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
having
what
is
an
empty
building.
R
S
I
live
right
in
the
neighborhood,
my
name's
Sarah
caddison
Shapiro.
As
you
said,
I
live
at
1432
Elmwood,
the
blue
house.
That's
the
only
house
on
the
corner
of
lake
in
Elmwood,
someone
told
me
sounded
like
Jake
and
Elwood,
but
I
I
I'm,
quite
I'd
like
to
question
the
idea
of
Transit
oriented
development.
It's
something
that
I
don't
recall
ever
voting
about
and
something
that
most
of
the
residents
don't
even
know
what
that
is
and
I
find
myself
in
the
middle
of
it.
You
know
and
I
the
first.
S
The
first
thing
that
I
fought
against
and
failed
was
the
movie
theaters
because
of
the
giant
scale
that
it
was
on
I
I'm
from
Highland
Park
I'm,
not
against
development.
My
mother
was
a
developer
and
she
built
townhouses
up
in
Highland
Park,
but
we
always
lived
in
them.
They
were
nice
enough
for
us
to
live
in.
You
know
they
were
they
weren't.
S
Very
tiny
I
suggest
that
you
look
at
the
plans
for
the
basement
that
are
drawn
if
it's
on
around
page
100
of
this
200
Page
booklet
that
was
prepared,
I
just
I,
just
assume
that
when
you
hire
someone
to
be
a
zoning
person
for
the
city
that
they
know
about
zoning
they've
studied
zoning,
they
go
and
look
at
the
specific
site
and
right
now
the
Masonic
temple
is
not
completely
empty.
S
There
have
been
events
there
and
people
go
there
and
they
park
around
there,
where
it's
only
supposed
to
be
for
the
Masonic
temple,
but
I
think
30
units
are
way
too
much
and
the
architect
who
is
nationally
renowned,
Stuart
Cohn,
said
much.
The
same
thing
I
think.
Sometimes
the
designers
and
Architects
that
don't
have
a
vested
interest
in
it
might
be
listened
to.
Highland
Park
was
putting
in
a
new
movie
theater
when
we
were
putting
in
the
movie
theaters
and
basically
the
developer
wanted
the
whole
block
and
got
it
and
he
was.
S
There
was
going
to
be
a
mural
so
that,
when
you
went
by
on
the
L
you
didn't
just
see,
you
know
a
blank
wall
that
never
happened,
and
now
we
don't
have
a
movie
theater
in
and
there
was
a
lot
of
wasted
space
in
in
there.
Highland
Park
has
a
movie
theater
because
they
just
put
a
Marquee
in
an
older
building
and
you
went
up
escalators
and
it
was
a
smaller
space.
It
wasn't
so
giant.
All
these
plans
are
so
I
just
have
happened
upon
a
page
about
the
plan.
S
Developments
in
Evanston,
some
that
were
already
done
and
some
that
are
planned
for
the
future
and
I
think
that
all
these
might
have
been
done
before
the
pandemic.
My
husband
worked
in
the
loop
and
his
building
became
like
a
ghost
town
there
and
he
and
his
Partners
moved
their
files
at
home.
They
have
the
phone
act
like
you
know,
push
one
and
you
get
one
person
and
no
one
can
tell
that
they're
not
down
in
the
loop
but
I
I
suspect
these
departments
are
going
to
be
for
Northwestern
students
but
I.
S
A
A
Did
I
miss
anybody
who
had
signed
up?
Yes,
I
didn't
have
you
on
my
list.
So
if
you
would
state
your
name.
T
My
name
is
Jay
swerzbecky
I'm
at
900
Greenwood
Street
in
Evanston,
and
it
is
a
Condo
building
and
my
concern
is
the
density.
I
actually
would
like
to
see
an
event
space
and
I.
Don't
know
if
the
owners
of
space
theater
were
ever
contacted.
Weaver
only
introduced
just
last
week
that
I
found
out
our
input
as
residents.
T
My
concern
is
the
density
and
astutely.
It
was
brought
up
the
parking
at
night.
We
also
on
Greenwood,
are
having
issues
with
the
people
taking
the
train,
so
our
life
starts
at
5
a.m.
In
the
morning
from
strangers.
Taking
the
train
so
parking
is
an
issue
of
the
free
parking
up
Greenwood
and
it
goes
from
east
to
west.
T
The
density
I
might
even
be
on
board
with
14
units
as
condos
to
have
affordable
housing.
But
this
again
is
a
rental
market.
That's
being
created
apartments
and
to
note
it
just
feels
like
we're
being
boxed
in
first
Albion,
then
the
Masonic
Lodge.
Then
we
have
the
Marguerite
Inn
with
the
out-of-state
people
coming
in
then
we
have
St
Paul's
with
temporary
housing
and
I.
Honestly
and
I
was
actually
admonished.
T
I
said
I'm
in
a
residential
neighborhood
Oh
no
you're
in
the
city,
no
I'm
in
a
residential
neighborhood
within
the
City
of
Evanston
and
I,
really
didn't
sign
up
for
this,
and
when
I
bought
I've
been
retired
for
two
years
and
I
have
to
I'd
like
as
many
people
we've
had
the
nice
weather
your
window
open
a
bit
and
it
starts
at
5am
and
the
setting
of
the
car
alarms,
The
Strangers
coming
in
to
catch
the
train
and
this
density
I'm
just
concerned
that
no
one's
going
to
enforce
the
rental
agreements.
T
It's
not
going
to
stop
somebody
who
can
technically
afford
the
rent,
but
then
throw
a
mattress
in
the
dining
room
in
the
living
room,
and
now
we
have
what
is
supposed
to
be
a
party
of
one
or
a
couple.
We
have
three
to
four
people
per
unit.
My
other
concern
is
the
decibel
level
of
the
of
the
compressors
I.
Don't
know
that
we
have
any
ordinance,
but
my
concern
is
that
compacting
of
the
compressors
is
just
going
to
run.
24,
7.
T
and
I.
Don't
know
what
type
of
noise
that's
going
to
do
to
some
of
the
homeowners
in
the
condominium
building,
but
also
of
the
block
of
Elmwood
and
down
maple,
and
then
again
you
know
the
parking
it
can
start.
T
Astutely
said
901
pm
to
8
59
in
the
morning
and
it's
I
I
mean
I,
possibly
would
sign
off
on
14
units
and
maybe
affordable
housing,
but
again
I
I,
just
don't
get
the
the
renter,
and
it
just
seems
as
if
the
homeowner
I
don't
know
if
any
ordinance
could
be
changed,
but
I
think
we
would
like
to
know
when
the
building
was
sold.
T
T
You
know
it's
our
I
understand.
I
could
be
totally
wrong.
I
heard
that
it
was
had
a
mini
theater
in
it,
and
so
the
north
Light
Theaters
being
built.
You
know
down
the
street,
but
my
concern
is:
is
that
it's
just
changing
the
dynamic
of
the
neighborhood
with
this
density?
So
here
here
here
here
here
and
that's
my
concern,
so
thank
you
for
your
time
before.
T
T
T
You
know
I
I,
hope
you
know
and
I
understand
that
they
have
a
sprinkler
system
was
presented
to
us.
But
my
concern
is:
is
that
with
the
density
of
smoke-
and
you
know
I
hope
everybody
can
get
out
east
and
west,
but
I
I
just
thought,
maybe
an
egress
that
looks
like
a
window.
That's
a
panic
door
to
get
out,
but,
as
you
see,
I,
don't
show
a
hallway,
North
and
South
with
this
density.
Thank
you
again.
Thank.
A
You
with
that
I
will
ask
Mr,
bro
and
Mr
well
the
whole
team.
If
they
have
anything
they
would
like
to
respond
to
through
citizen
comment
or
anything
you'd
like
to
say
in
summation.
L
So
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
respond
and
to
the
to
the
comments
about
density
and
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate.
You
know
that
that
we're
dealing
with
a
building
that
is
the
size
that
it
is
we're
just
trying
to
furnish
units
in
it
that
are
similar
to
the
surrounding
market,
and
you
know
I,
would
you
know
sort
of
challenge
everyone
here
to
reflect
on
the
current
market?
L
L
L
It
feels
to
me
that
that
would
be
the
city
of
Edmondson
in
a
way.
Putting
a
burden
on
us
to
provide
units
that
are
unaffordable
are
larger
than
what's
in
the
surrounding
area
and
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate,
you
know
we're
just
trying
to
create
Mark
to
create
some.
You
know
units
that
are
similar
to
the
surrounding
Market.
You
know
with
our
own
sort
of
flair,
these
big
units,
with
the
lofty
ceilings
and
kind
of
industrial
with
the
masonry
concrete
building.
L
L
E
I
think
we're
open
to
any
solution
for
parking
and
I
would
just
like
to
add
a
comment
in
regards
to
sorry.
I've
also
attorney
thought
in
regards
to
the
this:
has
a
use
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
building
has
were
we
bought
it
in
in
February,
but
we
were
working
with
the
sellers
for
almost
six
months
before
that
the
building
has
been
for
lease
as
office
and
as
event.
E
During
that
entire
period
we
have
had
Chicago
and
local
restaurant
tours
and
event
operators
through
the
building
the
building,
the
way
in
which
it
is
built
and
its
infrastructure.
While
on
paper
it
looks
like
it
has
the
volumes
to
support
events,
it
doesn't
have
the
infrastructure,
it
doesn't
have
these
spaces
to
support
that
and
the
excess
off
the
alley.
E
That
would
help
facilitate
the
back
of
house
for
events,
there's
also
a
parking
side
to
that
to
an
office
use
or
to
an
event
use
that
I
think
would
present
a
significantly
larger
burden,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
this
has
been
for
lease
and
the
from
an
economic
perspective.
This
is
a
significant
investment
to
build
to
build
apartments
in
this
existing
building.
We
would
love
it
if
there
was
another
use
that
preserved
the
building,
that
was,
that
was
more
economical,
but
there's
not
thank
you.
N
Just
like
to
I
guess
chime
in
also
just
it
we
are
in
an
R6,
it's
a
residential
neighborhood,
so
the
use
that
we're
proposing
is
entirely
appropriate.
It's
what
it's
zoned
for
and
to
Adam's
point.
You
know
here
we
are
we're
talking
about
density
and
really
densities,
understand
it's
a
number
but
we're
working
within
an
existing
volume
of
space,
we're
not
putting
an
addition
on
aside
from
a
request
that
you
know
to
screen
the
trash
off
the
alley.
N
So
the
the
other
variation
that
we're
requesting
is
that
that
the
addition
on
the
rear
of
the
building
and
currently
our
building
does
go
up
to
the
lot
line
again
now
this
is
a
covered
basement.
It's
that
elevated,
concrete
platform
where
currently
the
condensers
are
sitting.
So
the
building
does
go
to
the
lot
line,
so
we
are
exceeding
what
is
currently
there
now
granted.
This
trash
enclosure
is
a
taller
volume.
N
It's
a
one-story
volume
again
so
I,
you
know,
that's
why
you
know
when
we're
reviewing
with
staff,
they
did
say
that
you
know
we
do
need
to
get
this
variation
because
we
are
adding
volume
to
the
back
of
the
building,
but
we
are
not
encroaching
further
than
we
currently
are
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact
that
platform
that
that
is,
elevated
off
the
alley
side
comes
up
about
two
feet:
we're
lowering
that
so
that
way,
it's
it's
another
location
where
dumpsters
can
be
rolled
out
in
trash,
because,
right
now
the
trash
is
literally
it's
in
the
right
of
way
because
we're
you
know
the
building
is
right
up
against
the
lot
line.
N
That
condition,
although
we
are
asking
for
a
variance,
we
are
improving
the
the
the
situation
there
on
on
the
Alley
side
in
regards
to
the
trash,
so
I
mean
we
have
pretty
methodically
gone
through
and
tried
to
resolve
all
the
issues
that
kind
of
come
up
on.
You
know
trying
to
preserve
a
historic
building.
How
do
you
deal
with
a
natural
light
and
ventilation?
How
do
you
deal
with
egress
I
mean
we
do
have
egress
on
the
front
back
of
the
building,
so
we
are
completely
compliant
there.
We
are
upgrading
the
building.
N
We
are
putting
a
full
sprinkler
system
right
now.
The
building
is
not
sprinkler.
It's
a
Concrete,
building,
concrete
and
masonry
building.
We
are
putting
a
full
sprinkler
in
we're.
Upgrading
the
Water
Service
I
mean
we're
we're
upgrading
every
aspect
of
this
building,
we're
improving
its
accessibility.
N
So
there's
there's
really.
You
know
you
know
when
boiling
down
to
having
discussions
about
about
parking
in
in
Evanston
is
very
proactive
in
its
sustainability
goals
and
requirements,
and
here
we
have
a
building,
that's
located
in
a
Transit
oriented
development,
we're
trying
to
use
that
you
know
to
make
this
project
happen
and
and
again
you
know
just
having
some
of
the
negative
feedbacks.
N
We
understand
that
people
have
concerns
about
parking,
but
we
believe
that
we,
you
know
the
solution
is
pretty
sensitive
to
the
the
the
parking
requirement
requirements
and
the
needs
of
what
we
anticipate,
that
the
residents
that
they
would
need
and
you've
heard
from
from
Gary
the
ownership
that
you
know.
N
It's
something
that
obviously
we're
working
on
and
we'll
try
and
resolve
as
best
as
we
can,
but
I
believe
what
we're
showing
is
is
very
in
line
with
with
what
we
see
as
the
goals
of
a
Transit
oriented
development
and
the
Redevelopment
in
in
a
reuse
of
a
historic
structure.
That
right
now
is
is
dilapidated.
It's
just
not
being
used.
N
Not
necessarily
the
case
I
mean
so
it
I
mean
again
we're
looking
at
a
number,
so
the
number
of
units.
So
it
you
know.
So
if
you
have
30
units
or
if
you
have
14
units,
if
you
have
30
units
the
units
are
bigger,
you
get
more
bedrooms,
so
fewer
units
would
probably
mean
you
have
more
bedrooms,
so
you're,
probably
not
reducing
the
bed
count.
So
now,
instead
of
having
one
and
two
bedroom
in
studios,
you're
gonna
have
three
and
four
bedrooms,
and
and
the
car
requirements
are
probably
I
mean.
N
You
because
you're
going
to
have
bedrooms,
I
mean
you're,
going
to
see
you're
still
going
to
have
interior
walls
and
and
again
you're
gonna
I
believe
what
you're
gonna
do
is
you're
going
to
lose
the
Charming
character
of
these.
These
Loft
style
units,
where
you
have
the
mezzanines
and
you
can
take
advantage
of
the
natural
daylight,
and
so
so
you'll
have
smaller
little
compartmentalized
rooms
inside
these
units.
That
really
wouldn't
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
of
kind
of
these
nice
big
Airy
spaces.
N
So
so
I
I
don't
see
that
fewer
units
would
save
any
anything
on
the
interior
that
were
not
already
anticipating
savings.
A
L
N
A
A
You
all
right
with
that.
We
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberations
again.
We,
this
is
a
A
variation,
but
because
of
the
parking
we
are
the
recommending
body
to
city
council
who
will
make
the
final
determination
we've
heard
a
lot
of
testimony,
but
I'll
ask
Commissioners
for
General
thoughts
before
we
go
through
standards.
H
I'll
start,
you
know
in
this
particular
development
density
is
not
to
me
necessarily
a
problem.
I
do
think
the
increase
from
14
units
to
30
is
obviously
very
high,
but
considering
the
small
number
of
units
to
begin
with
I,
don't
think.
That's
necessarily
a
problem
and
I
think
the
volume
of
the
building
can
incorporate
that
I.
Think
the
only
issue
is
the
city
needs
to
make
it
clear
to
Future
developers
that
that
kind
of
an
increase
of
60
percent
doesn't
necessarily
set
a
precedent.
So
you
don't
run
into
that
problem.
H
I
think
the
I
have
no
problem
with
the
with
the
rear
setback
with
the
trash
room
on
the
back.
As
always
parking
is,
is
both
an
emotional
issue
and
an
issue
that
affects
neighbors
differently,
so
I
would
recommend
that
the
developer
lease
more
than
10
spaces,
wherever
they
work
them
out
to
be
and
over
time,
if
those
spaces
aren't
used,
there
is
a
way
to
work
with
the
city
to
perhaps
bring
those
down,
but
I
do
think
it
will
impact
the
neighborhood
I
I'm.
We
go
through
this
all
the
time.
H
We're
not
really
sure
how
many
people
do
bring
cars
in
and
how
many
don't
and
it's
I
know
it's
a
it's
a
moving
Target
for
developers,
it's
a
moving
Target
for
us,
but
I
would
recommend
that
you
lease
more
than
10
or
11.
Definitely
and
then.
Finally,
I
would
agree
that
the
wheelchair
lift
is
just
an
inappropriate
place.
H
G
I
want
to
Echo
some
of
the
same
comments.
You
know
this
building.
G
As
the
neighbors
have
pointed
out,
this
building
has
been
vacant
for
six
years,
I
I
think
when
a
developer
comes
along
and
has
this
idea
we
should
grab
it
because
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
use
of
of
a
building
like
this
I
think
the
units
The
Loft
units
I'm
familiar
with
this
concept
and
they
would
be
very,
very
unique
units
and
and
very
special,
which
I
think
will
attract
retract
renters,
I
think
saving,
obviously,
saving
a
historic
building
is
is
is
important
for
for
Evanston.
G
Also,
the
the
issue
of
the
unit
count
has
been
pointed
out
that
you
could
have
less
units
but
more
bedrooms.
So
what
have
you
accomplished?
You
got
the
same
amount
of
people
so
I'm,
actually
not
not
so
sure
that
unit
count
is
an
appropriate
appropriate.
G
What's
the
word
standard
for
evaluating
evaluating
these
projects,
I
would
like
to
to
say
about
the
parking
I
was
looking
at
your
unit
mix
and
only
seven
of
your
units
are
two
bedrooms
and
I
think
it's
six
twos
and
one
three
and
it's
probably
more
likely
in
those
units
they
might
be
families
they
may
not,
but
it's
more
likely
that
those
units
would
have
cars.
So
that's
seven
and
I
was
wondering
just
to
amend
what
commissioner
westenberg
said.
Is
that
could
you
could
you?
Could
you
negotiate
an
option?
G
G
What
number
is
the
right
number
and
that's
the
reason
I'm
saying
that
I'd
like
to
include
what
you
mentioned,
that
you
will
screen
the
mechanical
on
the
roof
as
part
of
this
proposal,
although
it's
not
on
the
drawings
and
then
lastly,
I've
talked
enough
about
it,
but
this
the
lift
in
the
front
totally
inappropriate
and
I
I
would
be
happy
and
I.
G
Don't
know
if
this
is
appropriate
for
our
group,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
work
with
staff
or
work
with
Mike
or
the
the
group
here
to
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
hopefully
a
better
solution
on
it.
I
just
think
it's
I
think
it
could
be
a
a
great
project
and
I
don't
want
people
to
walk
by
it
and
saying
oh
look
at
that.
If
not
for
that,
it
would
have
been
a
good
project.
So
that's
that's
my
cause.
K
Commissioner,
something
chair,
Rogers,
yes,
if
you
would
like
Georgetown
we,
we
have
an
entire
subcommittee
of
the
preservation
commission
that
is
set
up
to
study
this
very
issue
that
you're
discussing
and
this
will
occur
during
the
permitting
process
before
their
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
approved.
So
if
you
would
like
to
serve
on
that,
I
think
you'd
be
more
than
welcome.
Commissioner.
A
G
Know
and
it's
okay,
if
I'm
on
that
without
being
a
part
of
it,
yeah
sure
yeah,
absolutely.
J
H
J
Preferable,
but
if,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
still
want
to
keep
it
there
or
have
to
keep
it
there
at
least
remove
the
glass
enclosure,
there
are
lift
their
platforms
without
it.
I
have
to
tell
you
there
are
concerns
that
you
cannot
clean
it
if
it's
not
enclosed
and
all
these
things,
that's
not
true,
but
believe
me,
I,
put
some
similar
elevator
15
years
ago
in
front
of
church
I
don't
pass
by
it
these
days.
It's
simply
ugly,
so
try
to
make
a
better
solution
for
that.
Thank
you.
D
I'm
in
support
of
this
project,
as
well,
I
think
with
respect
to
parking,
as,
as
others
have
have
said,
it's
always
a
question
of
how
many
spaces
you
really
need
and-
and
we
don't
necessarily
want
you
know
prop-
we,
what
are
the
sufficient
parking
to
be
required
but
are
provided,
but
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
require
owners
to
lease
parking.
That's
going
to
go
unused,
so
there's
there's
really
a
balance
there.
D
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
in
a
couple
of
other
instances
and
actually
in
this
neighborhood
is
require
the
the
building
owner
to
provide
a
report
to
the
city.
D
You
know
you
know
dictating
or
providing
a
count
of
how
many
parking
spaces
are
being
leased
by
tenants,
because
I
think
in
the
long
term,
that
will
be
helpful
for
us,
as
we
start
to
look
at
what
the
appropriate
number
of
parking
spaces
is
and
I
think
for
the
moment,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
10
least
off
street
parking
spaces
with
you
know,
maybe
a
condition
that
that
if
there
are
more
and
again
you
know
if
you're
reporting
to
the
city
that
there
are
15
of
your
tenants
have
cars,
you
know
either
they
will
have
made
arrangements
on
their
own
or
you
will
have
provided
them
somewhere.
D
So
I
think
that
that
piece
of
information
would
be
very
helpful
and
I
do
agree,
I'm
not
quite
sure
exactly
what
the
resident
only
parking
where
those
zones
are
right
now,
but
I,
but
I
think
that
the
one
of
the
conditions
that
we
ought
to
consider
is
is
that
the
residents
not
be
allowed
to
apply
for
residential
parking
permits.
A
Thank
you.
Anybody
else
have
anything
to
add,
if
not
just
briefly
before,
I
go
through
standards,
I'll
just
I'll
just
say
you
know
in
terms
of
of
the
density.
One
of
the
reasons
I
ask
about
square
footage
is
because
I
live
in
a
Condo
building,
a
typical
Chicago
Courtyard
building,
even
though
it's
in
Evanston
and
we
have
about
a
10,
000
square
foot
book
print
and
we
have
25
units
in
my
building.
So
that's
why
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
that
number
for
comparison.
A
We
have
units
that
are
all
two
bedrooms.
Some
of
them
are
larger
than
others,
but
I
think
that
something
of
that
density
can
fit
in
that
space.
The
rear
yard
I
think
is
kind
of
a
no-brainer
for
all
of
us
in
terms
of
parking.
My
view
on
parking
always
has
been.
It
really
comes
down
to
a
marketing
issue.
If
you
don't
have
parking
and
people
want
to
live
there,
they
aren't
going
to
live
there.
If
you
can't
provide
parking
for
them.
A
That's
why
I
don't
live
in
Chicago
the
area
that
I
lived
in
there
in
Edgewater
when
I
went
to
buy
a
condominium
I.
Couldn't
there
was
no
parking
and
I
wasn't
going
to
put
myself
through
that,
every
single
night
of
having
to
try
to
find
parking,
so
I
think
that
one
kind
of
helps
sort
itself
out
through
what
people
need
and
want
I
think
the
people
looking
for
this
size
of
unit
tend
to
be
a
younger
crowd.
A
Who
typically
are
not
car
dependent,
like
some
of
us,
are,
and
so
I
think
that
that
kind
of
helps
take
care
of
some
of
that
that
parking
issue
for
you
with
that
I'll
go
through
the
standards,
this
being
a
major
variation.
We
have
a
different
set
of
Standards
to
go
through.
There
are
seven
of
these.
A
The
first
one
is
that
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
We
are
increasing
density
into
this
neighborhood,
but
we
are
also,
at
the
same
time,
filling
a
building
that
has
been
sitting
empty
for
a
number
of
years
and
making
use
of
it.
A
We
heard
testimony
from
one
of
the
neighbors
that
they
kind
of
had
their
book
ended
with
vacant
Properties
or
our
properties
that
are
not
being
fully
used
and
I
can't
think
that
that
is
good
for
for
property
values
for
those
neighbors.
A
I
also
think
that
it,
it
does
just
make
a
good
use
of
of
by
bringing
people
in
there
and
having
more
people,
keep
up
the
neighborhood.
It
also
works
to
increase
the
property
values
number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
look
for
here
in
the
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
General
plan
is
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
existing
buildings.
A
The
masonics
I
think
have
definitely
declined
in
numbers.
Since
the
time
this
building
was
built,
we've
heard
testimony
that
you
know.
Perhaps
it
could
be
adapted
into
an
event
space
or
some
other
use,
but
those
are
not
the
uses
that
are
before
us
this
evening.
A
We're
asked
to
evaluate
making
a
rental
property
that
would
have
a
number
of
units
in
it,
and
that
is
part
of
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
General
plan,
so
that
standard
isn't
that
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property
and
looking
at
the
issues
that
we're
specifically
looking
at
obviously
parking,
there
is
no
place
to
put
parking
on
this.
This
property.
It
was
constructed.
A
I,
don't
know
what
the
year
of
construction
was,
but
at
some
time
many
many
years
ago,
and
it's
a
big,
dense
block
building
so
to
try
to
move
things
to
increase
parking
really
doesn't
doesn't
make
any
sense
in
terms
of
density
again
we're
dealing
with
interior
walls
that
are
supporting
a
massive
building
and
so
trying
to
move
things
around.
There.
A
I
think
that,
as
we
look
at
going
with
a
smaller
number
of
units,
you're
going
to
end
up
with
load-bearing
walls,
potentially
in
the
middle
of
units
that
will
create
non-functional
spaces,
so
I
believe
the
standard
is
met.
Number
four:
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
practical
diff
or
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty.
A
As
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
at
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out,
obvious,
not
being
able
to
provide
any
parking
on
site
would
create
a
severe
hardship
for
for
the
for
the
owners
so
be
allowing
them
to
leave
spaces
off-site
makes
sense.
The
rear
yard
does
provide
for
an
easy
access,
trash
recycling
area
and
in
terms
of
the
density
again
talking
about.
How
would
you
Shore
up
a
building
that
has
interior
supports
that
are
in
place
and
cannot
be
moved
so
I
believe
that
standard
has
been
met?
A
A
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
fact
that
creating
larger
units
actually
creates
a
much
more
higher
rent
for
them,
as
opposed
to
many
smaller
rents,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
I've
I've
seen
anything
here
that
they
are
asking
for
these
things,
specifically
with
the
intent
to
create
additional
income.
A
The
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
again
they
brought,
they
bought
the
property.
Just
I
think
it
was
six
months
ago
we
heard
or
something
like
that,
and
so
the
building
has
existed
in
its
current
condition
prior
to
that.
So
none
of
these
none
of
these
things
that
they're
requesting
were
created
by
this
particular
owner
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
zoning
I'm.
A
A
Think
the
uniqueness
of
these
particular
Properties
by
having
the
high
volume
of
the
individual
units
kind
of
means,
that's
that's
kind
of
what
they
have
to
do
and
I
think
the
one
question
that
we
sort
of
have
about
this
is
in
the
terms
of
the
parking
but
I
think
we
can
address
those
concerns
through
conditions,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met
as
well.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
findings
on
standards?
A
Yes,
so
before
I
ask
for
a
motion
conditions
that
I
heard
discussed
were
the
screening
of
Mechanicals
on
the
roof,
exploring
some
place
to
put
the
lift
or
changes
to
the
lift
that
might
make
it
a
a
better
aesthetic
to
the
property?
A
What
else
did
you
have,
commissioner?
Lindwall.
D
A
A
H
I
am
still
going
to
recommend
a
condition
that
the
applicant
look
into
leasing,
initially
more
than
10
or
11
units.
Maybe
it
is
the
is
the
minimum
parking.
A
H
Parking
spaces
sorry
parking
spaces
and
work
with
the
city
to
report
on
how
many
of
those
spaces
are
really
used
by
their
tenants
and
that
number
can
be
adjusted
after
two
years
or
so
to
reflect,
what's
actually
happening
again.
This
is
an
attempt
to
just
mediate
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
H
We
don't
know
how
many
people
will
have
cars,
and
this
is
one
of
the
problems
we
have
younger
people
are
not.
This
is
a
suburb,
it's
not
Chicago,
so
people
do
like
their
cars
and
I.
Think
initially,
starting
out
with
more
parking
spaces,
would
alleviate
the
initial
problem.
D
H
You
have
a
number
yeah,
so
the
actual.
A
The
record
is
closed
right
now.
So,
if
you
want
input
from
him
we're
going
to
have
to
reopen
the
record.
D
You
know,
based
on
on
re,
you
know
the
recent
developments
we've
been
reviewing
in
the
you
know,
the
developers
who've
provided
parking
and
then
come
back
to
say:
can
we
lease
it
to
the
public
I'm
comfortable
with
leaving
the
requirement
at
10
as
as
proposed
at
this
point.
G
B
I
can
speak
to
that
I.
Think
a
similar
adaptive,
reuse,
planner
Katie
Ashwell
we
for
the
Varsity
Theater,
which
was
also
an
Adaptive
reuse.
They
did
petition
for
zero
parking
stalls
to
be
allowed
where
I
think
28,
where
required
might
have.
It
may
have
been
26.
B
B
Was
it
adaptive
areas
at
that
time?
They,
the
staff,
advised
the
applicant
that
it
was
historically
we
the
plan,
commit
the
plan
commission
at
the
time,
and
city
council
had
not
been
comfortable
for
less
than
a
half
stalled
per
dwelling
unit.
However,
as
mentioned
it
is
in
a
pretty
heavily
serviced
area
from
Transportation.
B
I
also
would
like
to
note
that
if
you
do
make
change
the
relief
you
may
require
them
to
provide
additional
stalls,
which
lessens
the
degree
of
relief
that
I
don't
think
you're
going
to.
But
you
can't
allow
eight
stalls
for
their.
U
A
15.,
okay,
it
looks
like
15's
winning
out
so
we'll
we'll
make
a
recommendation
for
15
and
then
again
it
can
be
reevaluated
so
again,
just
running
through
your
conditions.
Screening
Mechanicals,
exploring
lift
options,
residents
not
being
allowed
to
apply
for
residential
parking
permits
and
then
parking
at
15
with
an
evaluation
in
two
years
to
see
if
it
can
be
reduced.
M
A
V
G
K
Mean
I
think
the
issue
I
would
I
would
raise
for
your
consideration
is
once
you
induce
this
demand
once
you
say
15,
and
that
demand
is
induced.
It's
very
hard
to
reduce
that
and
I
think
that's
what
we've
done
consistently
as
a
city
is
you?
Did
you
induce
this
artificial
demand
for
parking
that
wouldn't
necessarily
exist?
K
A
But
but
I
would
I
would
I
would
respond
to
that
by
saying
first
off
we've
heard
from
the
applicant
that
they
feel
somewhat
of
an
obligation
that
they
don't
want
to
just
the
first
10
people
in
the
door
necessarily
get
the
10
parking
spaces,
and
if
we
have
15
parking
spaces
and
we
evaluate
in
two
years
in
15
parking
spaces
are
required,
then
15
part
are
used.
15
parking
spaces
will
continue
to
be
required
right.
So
I,
don't
but
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that.
A
So,
okay
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
in
regard
to
1453
Maple
Avenue
by
one
of
the
commissioners.
G
I
will
try
to
do
it
not
very
good
at
this,
and
that's
why
I
avoid
doing
it.
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
approve
the.
G
Recommend
approval
recommend
approval
for
1415
Maple
Avenue,
with
the
following
conditions:
no
on-street
parking
for
residences
well,
permits
will
be
permit
will
be
issued.
There
will
be
a
mechanical
screen,
a
visual
screen
around
the
mechanical
equipment
on
the
roof.
They
will
provide
at
least
parking
for
15
spaces
and
with
a
review
by
staff
every
in
two
years
now
in
two
years
and
then
lastly,
my
favorite
the
that
they
will
look
into
alternate
solutions
for
the
for
the
Loft
and
work
with
the
preservation
commission
committee.
A
Correction
there,
just
that
you
mean
the
lift,
not
the
Loft,
I'm.
Sorry
left.
A
B
A
With
seven
votes
in
favor
and
none
against
the
motion
carries,
and
it
will
move
forward
to
city
council
with
a
positive
recommendation
and
again,
staff
will
work
with
you
on
when
that
will
appear,
and
there
might
be
some
additional
questions
that
come
up
based
on
the
discussions
that
we've
had
tonight
in
some
of
the
little
back
and
forth
that
we've
talked
about,
but
staff
will
work
with
you
on
that.
A
A
There's
been
a
request
from
one
of
the
Commissioners
that
we
take
about
a
five
minute
break
just
to
stretch
legs,
so
it
is
currently
906.
According
to
my
computer,
we
will
come
back
at
9
11..
What's
that
for
a
random
time,
so
we
stand
in
recess
for
five
minutes.
A
All
right,
I
am
going
to
take
us
back
on
the
record
for
the
last
case
we
have
this
evening,
which
is
1603
orington,
Avenue,
22,
zmjv,
0084
response.
I
believe
this
is
your
case.
So
if
you
would,
please
read
it
into
the
record
for
us.
I
1603
Orrington
Avenue
22
zmjv,
0084,
Gollum,
Realty,
Services,
LLC
applicant
on
behalf
of
GRE
goco
Orrington
owner
LLC
requests.
Zoning
relief
from
chapter
16
6-19,
sign
regulations
of
the
Evanston
zoning
ordinance
to
allow
three
new
permanent
signs
on
the
property
located
at
1603
Orrington
Avenue
in
the
D3
downtown
core
development
District.
I
Section
619
9a6
to
allow
one
tall,
building
identification
sign
on
a
facade,
not
parallel
to
a
public
thoroughfare
section
61996
to
allow
external
illumination
of
two
tall
building
identification
signs
where
only
internal
illumination
through
lettering
and
graphic
elements
of
the
sign
is
permitted.
Section
6197
M4
to
allow
two
freestanding
signs
along
the
Orrington
Avenue
Frontage
of
the
subject
property,
where
only
one
is
permitted
section:
619
9b1,
to
allow
a
total,
combined
surface
area
of
all
signs
on
the
subject:
property
of
approximately
795
square
feet
or
no
more
than
500
square
feet
is
permitted.
I
We
have
had
a
number
of
letters
of
support
and
opposition
submitted.
At
this
point.
Nearly
all
of
the
letters
have
been
uploaded
into
the
existing
land
use
commission
packet,
but
everyone
did
receive
printouts
of
any
that
were
not
already
in
the
packet
at
the
time.
The
meeting
started:
I
attempted
to
tabulate
what
they.
What
the
letters
come
to
and
some
letters
have
multiple
addresses
so
looking
at
different
addresses
of
people
who
signed
my
tabulation
comes
to
27
letters
in
favor
and
10
in
opposition.
E
O
A
So
all
right
with
that
before
I
bring
the
applicant
up
I
think
we
have
to
make
some
disclosures
from
the
Deus
for
sure.
D
I'll
start
I
know
Miss
Pugh,
although
at
this
point
I'm
retired,
so
I
don't
believe
there's
any.
There.
Certainly
is
no
recent
employment
or
connections,
so
I
believe
I
can
be
fair.
I.
A
Anyone
else-
I,
don't
know
her,
so
I
I
just
met
her
this
evening.
So
all
right
so
with
that
I
will
ask
on
this
piece:
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
identify
herself
and
then
present.
W
The
proposal
to
us
thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
so
much
for
opening
the
windows.
It
was
really
nice
to
feel
that
so
I'm
Donna
Pugh
I'm
a
partner
in
the
law,
firm
of
Foley
and
lardner,
located
321
North,
Clark
Street
in
Chicago
I,
represent
UL
standards
and
engagement
and
UL
research
institutes
and
so
for
ease
tonight,
we'll
just
refer
to
that
as
UL,
because
it's
a
bit
of
a
mouthful.
W
So
those
are
the
two
tenant
entities
that
are
being
are
considering
moving
to
Evanston
moving
out
of
their
headquarters
in
Northbrook,
with
part
of
the
larger
ul
and
moving
here
to
Evanston.
If
they
can
make
it
all
the
all
the
things
work
for
them,
so
they
they
will
be
the
land
user
under
the
application
and
the
actual
applicant
is
gal
of
Realty
Services,
and
they,
of
course,
are
the
management
slash
owner
landlord
Lord.
So
those
are
the
different
parties
that
you'll
hear
from
tonight.
Now
in
2022,
let's
call
it.
W
The
big
UL
undertook
rebranding
initiative
because
they
have
these
three
entities
you're
going
to
hear
about
that
and
realize
that
they
really
these
other
two
entities,
the
ones
that
are
proposed
to
come
here,
really
have
their
own
identity
and
and
completely
discrete
functions
from
the
other
two,
and
there
was
a
need
to
kind
of
break
away
and
get
a
new
space
and
and
by
the
way,
am
I
speaking
loud
enough
for
the
record.
Is
it
picking.
W
Guessing
you
are
okay,
good,
so,
okay,
so
there
was
a
whole
branding
effort.
You'll
hear
about
that,
and
the
decision
is
is
made
to
at
least
explore
the
relocation
to
Evanston
for
the
two
entities.
And,
of
course
one
of
the
criteria
and
you'll
hear
from
Real
Estate
folks
is,
is
to
locate
a
space
where
they
can
take
about
three
and
a
half
floors
and
have
appropriate
identification
signage
that
would
meet
with
their
branding
criteria
of
what
what
they're
looking
for.
W
Of
course,
they
also
have
been
looking
in
Chicago
and
in
Skokie
and
other
places
where
such
signs
are
readily
available
at
the
top
of
a
building.
So
that
is
a
key
factor
here.
So
now,
UL
Hazard
has
really
hired
the
top
Professionals
in
the
industry
to
identify
and
help
design
the
highest
quality
signs
and
evaluate
any
impact
that
the
science
could
potentially
have
on
the
surrounding
communities.
I'd
like
to
introduce
the
presentation
team-
oh
yeah,
I!
Guess
we
didn't
get
our
signage
going
Stephen.
Do
you
want
to
control?
That
is
that?
Okay?
Melissa?
W
W
So
unless
you
need
any
input
from
me,
no
okay,
so
I
I
did
mention
already
gallop
and
Company
the
applicant
you're
going
to
hear
from
Steve
degodne,
who
is
vice
president
of
leasing
with
Gallup
and
Company,
and
has
extensive
knowledge
of
the
the
Market
in
in
the
Chicago
area,
which
is
very
relevant
to
your
standards.
W
Terry
Brady
president
and
CEO
of
UL
research
institutes
and
board
chair
of
UL
standards
and
engagement
also
a
second
to
the
end.
There
Charlotte
farmer
raise
your
hand,
senior
VP
c-o-o
from
UL
Research
Institute,
Kevin,
Mahaffey,
director
of
facilities
and
expansion,
UL
standards
and
engagement.
Our
planning
expert
consultant,
which
Mr
chairman
I,
will
ask
in
a
few
moments
to
have
him
recognize
as
an
expert
I
have
George
Kissel
principal
of
Oakland
Kissel
and
from
the
internationally
recognized
lighting
consultant
design.
W
X
Hello
hi:
can
you
hear
me
okay,
yep.
K
X
X
X
This
23-year
history
gives
us
a
unique
perspective
into
the
Evanston
office.
Market
I
personally,
remember.
Excuse
me
when
there
was
a
grocery
store
on
the
side
of
Sherman
Plaza
I.
Remember
when
a
909
Davis
was
built
to
bring
the
beautiful
littel
and
hmh
headquarters
to
downtown
Evanston.
X
More
recently,
we've
seen
free
market
Ventures
do
a
great
job,
redeveloping
a20
Davis,
there's
a
transformation
going
on
at
the
Fountain
Square
building
and
there's
about
to
be
a
new
building
built
on
the
on
the
former
Burger
King
site.
These
are
all
positive,
great
changes
for
downtown
evanston's
business
and
residential
communities.
X
X
X
1603
Orrington
is
currently
33
vacant
and
we
have
another
30
percent
rolling
lease
expirations
over
the
next
three
years.
Net
absorption
is
the
change
in
the
amount
of
space
leased
over
a
certain
period
of
time.
So
if
you
have
a
new
lease
for
50
000
square
feet,
but
you
have
tenants
in
the
market
that
expire
and
might
not
renew
those
leases
and
vacate
the
net
result
is
zero
absorption.
X
Evanston's
net
absorption
from
pre-covered
to
present
day
is
negative,
155
000
square
feet.
I
can't
even
begin
to
predict
how
many
years
it
will
take
to
regain
that
occupancy.
If
we
do
not
act
on
opportunities
like
this,
when
presented
it's
extremely
rare
generational,
even
to
see
a
fifty
thousand
square
foot
tenant
come
to
this
office
market
and
look
to
at
least
one
single
block
of
space
for
context.
Evanston
is
part
of
the
greater
North
North
Suburban
office
Market,
the
class.
A
portion
of
the
North
Suburban
Market,
is
currently
over
30
percent
vacant.
X
X
X
X
Ul's
lease
will
reverberate
throughout
the
commercial,
real
estate
landscape
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
This
deal
will
be
announced.
Companies
in
the
city
of
Chicago
will
hear
about
it
and
they
will
start
thinking
about
Evanston
as
a
place
to
relocate
as
every
business
is
evaluating
their
office.
Space
needs
as
UL
is
a
global
leader
in
Safety
Science.
X
We
cannot
think
of
a
better
name
to
Adorn
our
property
and
they
are
essentially
providing
a
stamp
of
approval
for
downtown
Evanston,
as
Donna
mentioned,
UL
is
seeking
to
install
tasteful,
attractive
signage
that
will
complement
the
building's
Timeless
design.
Thank
you
all
respectfully
request
that
you
support
this
signage.
G
So
I
had
some
a
question
a
couple
questions.
One
of
them
is,
you
said:
50
000.
Is
this
ten
out
of
how
many
net
square
feet
in
the
building
300.
G
G
Okay,
so
I
I,
guess
I'm
concerned
about
precedent
that
we
may
be
setting
and
maybe
even
making
it
harder
for
you
down
the
road,
because
if
you,
if,
if
a
hundred
thousand
I
don't
know
if
they
exist,
a
larger
tenant
comes
in,
oh
how
much
okay,
you
said:
30
vacancy!
G
Well,
let's
say
you,
you
had
another
large
vacancy
come
up
and
you
had
a
tenant
that
came
in
and
wanted
another
assign
on
the
on
the
building
as
a
condition-
and
we
have
already
set
this
precedent-
we
could,
we
could
say
no
to
that
tenant.
But
how
would
you
I
mean
you're
now,
you're
stuck,
you
can't
use
signage
to
attract
the
next.
The
next
tenant
sure.
X
Sure
I
think
that
that
is
an
extremely
rare,
extremely
remote
possibility.
Something
to
really
note
about
the
property
is
that
the
floor
plates
are
only
fourteen
thousand
square
feet.
Well,.
X
What
I'm
getting
at
is
the
floor.
Plates
are
only
14,
000
square
feet,
tenants
that
are
take
looking
for
50
000
square
feet
in
this
day
and
age
generally,
look
for
a
larger
floor
plate
building.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
pretty
rare
circumstance
that
UL
is
happy
to
take
53
000
square
feet
and
be
over
three
and
a
half
floors.
X
X
You
can
you
can
think
about
that
in
the
future,
but
we
need
to
stabilize
the
property
today
bringing
UL
to
the
building
stabilizing
the
building,
and
we
are
the
premier
asset.
The
premier
office,
building
in
Downtown
in
downtown
Evanston,
will
create
a
desire
for
companies
to
want
to
come
to
this
building.
Not
every
company
wants
or
needs
signage
like
UL
has
they
have
specific
reasons
which
you're
going
to
hear
a
lot
about,
but
to
to
worry
about
that
next
deal
and
always
chasing
that
next
deal
for
years
to
come
about?
X
Type
of
this
type,
so
I
I
suppose
I
mean
if
that's
what
you're
saying
right
now.
But
one
thing
to
note
is
the
signage
right
that
we're
providing
to
you.
Well
is
non-exclusive,
so
we
are
not
specifically
saying
in
our
lease.
We
cannot
provide
another
name
on
the
building
now
I'm,
not
saying
that
we're
coming
to
you
in
a
couple
of
years
and
asking
for
that,
but
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
scenario
that
you're
throwing
out
there.
X
What
I'm
saying
to
you
is
that
by
putting
ul's
name
on
this
building,
it
is
going
to
make
it
such
a
desirable
property
we're
already
the
top
asset
in
the
market.
Putting
their
name
on
the
building
is
going
to
make
it
even
a
more
desirable
property
to
to
come
to
and
I
think
what
we're
going
to
find
is
they
are
going
to
be
our
anchor
tenant
and
other
Pro.
Other
businesses
are
going
to
come
that
are
full
floor.
X
Five
thousand
two
thousand
four
thousand
and
the
building
will
continue
to
lease
up
in
that
fashion
and
to
to
be
concerned
that
we're
worrying
about
another
50
or
60
000
foot,
tenant
and
upsetting
them
down
the
road
and
they're
not
going
to
to
want
you
know,
come
because
of
the
signage
I
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
all
that
valid.
G
D
Yes,
I
have
a
question:
if
you
can
tell
me
kind
of
what
lease
term
we're
talking
about,
is
it
5
10
I
mean
how?
How
long
sure
would
this
tenant
be
in
Evanston
I.
X
Y
Ul
is
128
year
old
organization,
with
almost
16
000
colleagues
around
the
globe,
carrying
out
our
mission
to
create
a
safer,
more
secure
and
sustainable
world.
Since
1979
we've
been
headquartered
at
333
Pinkston
in
Northbrook,
between
Dundee
and
Lake
Cook
roads
and
if
you've
ever
driven
on
the
spur
between
the
Edens
and
the
tri-state,
you
will
have
seen
our
campus
in
our
signage
as
Ms
Pugh
mentioned
earlier.
This
year
we
announced
the
establishment
of
three
new
UL
Brands
United
in
our
mission
for
a
safer
world,
UL
research
institutes,
UL
standards
and
engagement
and
UL
Solutions.
Y
Each
organization
executes
our
mission
in
slightly
different
ways,
which
I'll
explain:
UL
research
institutes,
which
I'll
call
you
lri
for
for
short
census
risk
and
helps
to
accelerate
discovery
of
fundamental
Safety
Science
knowledge.
You
can
think
of
us
like
a
National,
Laboratory
or
university
Science
University
faculty
UL
standards
and
engagement,
amplifies
our
safety
science
research
and
turns
our
discoveries
into
action
to
make
us
all
safer
and
finally,
UL
Solutions
helps
businesses
bring
safe
and
sustainable
products
to
the
market
through
safety,
testing,
inspection
and
certification.
Y
Earlier
this
year
we
announced
a
1.8
billion
dollar
commitment
to
address
increasingly
complex
Global
safety
challenges
and
support
our
growth
through
increased
funding
of
these
two
UL
companies.
Our
discussion
this
evening
relates
to
a
new
headquarters
for
our
two
companies
to
expand
our
capacity,
we're
talking
about
joining
together
to
establish
a
headquarters
office
space
with
Room
to
Grow.
Y
I
believe
strongly
that
Evanston
is
the
right
location
because
I'm,
a
fourth
generation
evanstonian
I,
was
born
here
and
I
was
raised
in
Northwest
Evanston,
where
I
attended,
Haven
School
and
our
fifth
generation
of
Brady's
are
now
at
Willard,
School
and
I
know
Warrington
Plaza
well,
because
I
opened.
My
first
checking
account
there
50
years
ago,
which
is
still
open
in
the
retundant
Rotunda
of
the
original
tenant.
Y
State
National,
Bank
and
I
still
use
that
account
today,
although
of
course
it's
it's
Chase
now
we
know
that
the
metropolitan
area
of
Chicago
is
suffering
from
businesses,
leaving
for
other
cities
and
states,
and
we're
proud
not
only
to
share
publicly
our
commitment
to
this
community,
but
we
want
the
City
of
Evanston
to
see
that
commitment
as
well.
We
want
to
join
Northwestern
and
many
others
in
supporting
stem
education,
stem
careers
and
the
Civic
and
cultural
life
here
in
Evanston.
Y
Y
When
people
see
Our,
Brands,
ulri
and
ulse,
we
want
them
to
know
that
and
when
they
look
up
at
Orrington
Plaza,
we
know
that
we
want
them
to
know
that
we're
doing
our
safety
science
work
right
here
in
Evanston
now,
with
your
consent,
I'll
turn
the
microphone
over
to
our
chief
operating
officer,
Dr
Charlotte
farmer.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
We
also
have
interns
and
programs
for
underprivileged
individuals
from
Waukegan
and
even
in
Case
Western
across
our
nation.
We
are
in
sites
that
have
interns
that
help
accelerate
our
brand
in
terms
of
science.
Technology,
engineering,
art
and
math,
we
also
are
in
the
Arts,
as
I
mentioned,
the
Northbrook
Orchestra.
We
support
that
Ravinia.
Z
The
list
goes
on
and
on
you,
you
get
my
point.
We
are
good
corporate
citizens
and
we
want
to
be
your
partner
and
we're
open
to
what
that
means
in
terms
of
support
for
this
community
now,
I
would
like
to
plead
for
your
support
for
an
approval
recommendation
for
signage,
because
this
signage
is
crucial
to
shining
a
light
on
our
brand,
as
well
as
what
our
brand
embodies.
G
I
guess
I
I
understand
you're
you're,
very
proud
of
your
companies,
I
I,
guess,
I'm
I'm
questioning
I
understand
the
signage
of
the
ground
floor.
That's
where
people
walk,
that's
where
people
will
see
it
mostly
a
lot
of
opinion
on
signage
on
buildings
that
it's
just
it's
not
necessary
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
why
the
building
of
the
signage
at
the
top
of
the
building
is
necessary
for
you.
What
about
I
mean?
You
said
your
mission
and
you
want
people
to
know,
but
who
I
mean
people
from
a
mile
away?
G
Z
Y
Commissioner,
just
to
briefly
answer
that
that
important
question,
we
believe
that
our
UL
brand
is
is
truly
iconic.
It
is
well
it's
one
of
the
most
recognized
Brands
by
people,
certainly
in
our
country
and
increasingly
people
all
over
the
world,
and
we're
very
proud
of
that.
We
have
that
brand
and
much
much
larger
signage
and
logos
on
our
current
facility.
We've
looked
at
originally
having
larger
signage
on
other
suburbs
that
we
looked
at,
but
things
sort
of
converge
on
Evanston.
Y
Our
our
board
is
following
this
with
great
interest.
We
haven't
yet
signed
the
lease,
because
this
is
a
material
term
within
the
within
the
business
proposition
of
taking
a
very
long-term
lease
and
and
and
it's
important
to
us.
We
think
the
signaling
effect
to
Evanston
to
Chicago
to
the
whole
community
that
we're
here
and
we're
supporting.
So
it's
we
view
it
as
part
of
our
public
private
partnership
with
the
city
and
the
residents
of
Evanston.
To
say:
UL
is
here
safety.
Y
You
know,
there's
the
Safety
Science
company,
preeminent,
Safety,
Science
company
of
the
United
States
is
headquartered
in
in
our
city.
We
think
it's
a
win-win
for
everyone.
I
hope
that
helps
to
answer
the
question.
O
I
Within
the
City
of
Evanston
they're
there,
there
is
not
a
precedent
for
this
as
far
as
not
being
the
the
sole
tenant
of
the
building.
We
do
have
tall
buildings
that
have
signage
at
the
top,
such
as
the
truly
building
the
Hyatt
hotel,
but
those
are
all
single
occupant
buildings,
so
just
based
on
the
the
tenancy
of
this
one,
it
would
be
precedent
setting.
W
There
there
is
one
we
just
fast
forwarded
to
this-
that
I
think
all
of
us
had
missed,
but
the
Carlson
building.
We
have
a
picture
of
there,
which
all
of
us
walk
by
all
the
time
and
had
just.
U
In
our
search
for
headquarters,
Terry
mentioned
that
obviously
orange
and
Plaza
made
the
short
list
and
quickly
Rose
to
the
top.
Due
to
you
know
the
amenities
in
the
local
area
and
its
centralized
location
for
all
the
reasons
that
he
mentioned
looking
to
create
an
inspiring
space.
We've
assembled
the
world-class
team
with
architect
Perkins
and
will
to
design
the
space,
the
global
brand
strategist,
Siegel
and
Gail
to
consult
on
branding
and
signage
and
expert
signage,
fabricators
poblocki
for
their
signage
expertise,
as
well
as
their
local
knowledge
of
of
signage.
U
That's
come
before
the
commission
before
our
proposed
solution
for
the
top
four
floors
of
Orrington
Plaza
is
a
beautiful
space
meeting
meeting
lead
standards
and
complementing
the
building's
architecture.
U
Looking
at
the
building
top
signage,
the
intention
is
that
it
will
announce
and
confirm
the
presence
of
our
two
organizations
and
ul's
long-term
commitment
to
Evanston,
and
this
will
be
complemented
in
our
plan
by
the
monument
signage
which
will
direct.
So
our
stakeholders
who
approach
on
foot
to
this
new
headquarters
in
collaboration
space,
further
integrating
our
organizations
and
Brands
into
the
local
environment
of
Evanston.
U
W
A
He
hasn't,
he
hasn't
he's,
he
has
the
credentials
of
planning
commissions
or
a
planning
organizations.
Absolutely.
D
A
W
Top
of
it,
but
let
me
introduce
George
Kissel
and
he
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
his
his
background
and
his
opinion
of
the
standards.
AA
Great,
thank
you
Donna.
Let's
see,
this
might
not
be
a
good
idea.
AA
All
right,
so,
yes,
my
name
is
George
Kissel
I'm,
the
president
of
Oak
rent
Kissel
Associates.
Our
offices
are
at
141
West
Jackson
in
Downtown,
Chicago
I'm,
both
a
licensed
architect
and
a
certified
planner
with
over
40
years
of
experience
in
matters
of
zoning
and
planning
throughout
the
region.
Here,
as
well
as
internationally
myself,
and
my
firm
has
a
long,
deep
experience
here
in
Evanston,
particularly
downtown
Evanston.
AA
Having
worked
on
projects
such
as
Church
Street,
Plaza
back
in
the
late
90s
approval
for
McDougall
latel
shortly
thereafter
matter,
lifeways
and
most
recently
a
lesser
project
Dogtopia
we're
familiar
with
downtown
Evanston.
My
former
partner
is
a
resident
of
Evanston
and
has
served
on
plant
commissions
here
through
the
years
back
in
the
Dark
Ages
I.
Suppose,
as
we
would
talk
about
it,
but
anyway
I'm
here
to
to
basically
talk
to
you
about
the
signage
program
more
in
a
nuts
and
bolts
fashion
and
kind
of
walk
you
through
the
detail
of
it.
AA
So
there's
a
an
in-depth
understanding
of
exactly
what's
being
proposed.
So
if
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
the
lay
of
the
land
is,
it
sits.
There's
three
existing
Monument
signs,
one
near
the
entry
to
the
Rotunda
building,
one
near
the
corner
of
Orrington
and
Davis
in
another
further
north
along
Orrington.
AA
It's
really
oriented
towards
the
the
building
just
north
of
the
1603
Arlington
building
we're
proposing
two
illuminated
tall
building
signs
which
are
a
subset
of
wall
signs
they're
located
approximately
260
feet
above
grade
on
the
North
and
South
elevations
Northern
near
the
western
edge
in
the
top
of
of
the
building.
Also
being
proposed
is
another
illuminated
freestanding
sign
on
the
orington
average
Avenue
Frontage
near
again
the
intersection
of
Davis
in
Orrington.
So
if
I
could
have
the
next
sign,
please.
AA
Yeah
I
believe
the
both
of
the
existing
signs,
along
or
along
Davis,
announce
the
tenants
in
the
building
chases
the
featured
tenant
on
top
of
both
of
those
signs.
AA
The
existing
sign
one
is
a
two-sided
sign,
more
of
a
a
flat
side,
whereas
the
sign
number
three
is
a
four-sided
sign
and
they
basically
there's
a
large
panel
on
top
again
announcing
chasing
in
smaller
panels,
announcing
other
tenants
in
the
various
structures
the
signed
to
the
north.
Existing
sign
two
basically
talks
about
the
or
announces
the
tenants
in
the
building
at
the
North
End
of
the
site.
AA
X
X
Thank
you
that
existing
sign
one
has
two
panels
on
on
sides
that
is
reserved
right
now
for
a
new
restaurant
that
is
going
into
the
Rotunda
space.
Only
it's
going
to
be
a
great
announcement.
There's
a
I
assume
you
all
know
about
that
restaurant.
We
want
to
support
that
and
I
think
she's
going
to
be
very
successful.
X
AA
Thank
you
Steve.
If
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
so,
with
respect
to
the
Too
Tall,
building
identification
signs
they're
about
14
feet
in
diameter,
200
square
feet
each
here.
You
see
it
kind
of
in
context.
This
is
immediately
north
of
the
subject:
property
on
Church
Street
near
the
intersection
with
Warrington.
You
can
see
sort
of
the
size
of
the
sign
from
a
distance
kind
of
matches
the
existing
signage
in
terms
of
sort
of
visual
impact
at
the
street
level.
AA
We
could
have
the
next
signing
please
or
next
slide,
please
so.
The
type
of
signs
these
are
shield
use,
shielded,
Silhouette,
Lighting,
it's
basically
a
hollow
metal
Channel
signed
with
LED
illumination
on
the
inside.
The
LED
illumination
will
be
colored
to
the
back
of
that.
Channel
Sign
is
attached
a
sine
grade,
polycarbonate
backing
along
with
a
diffusing
film,
and
that,
of
course,
then
is
linked
together
and
attached
to
a
backer
panel.
AA
That's
attached
to
the
building,
because
we're
attaching
to
a
building
that
has
basically
white
flange
channels,
there's
a
need
for
a
backer
plate
to
provide
a
consistent
background
for
the
lighting
and
there's
a
shielded
Silhouette
Lighting.
It's
basically
the
equivalent
of
what
we
call
a
backlit
sign,
so
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
here's
an
example
of
the
type
of
Illumination.
You
could
expect
again
it's
different
than
a
illuminated.
AA
You
know
letter
sign,
whereas
the
the
lighting
is
achieved
through
basically
creating
a
silhouette
next
slide.
Please
gives
you
a
little
closer
look
of
the
sign
on
the
south
elevation
next
slide,
please.
So
this
is
the
freestanding
Monument
sign
it's
about
six
foot
by
eight
foot,
48
square
feet!
It's
located
between
the
two
flag,
poles
that
are
in
the
planter,
that's
just
east,
of
the
intersection
of
Orrington
in
Davis,
and
the
next
slide
will
give
you
an
idea
of
the
night
view
of
it
and
we
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
P
AA
So
sorry,
before
you
tonight,
we've
gone
through
designing
project
review
and
they've
added
some
conditions
to
the
proposal
for
the
signage.
The
first
one
is
a
tall
building.
Identification
signs
include
dimmer
switches
to
allow
the
illumination
to
be
adjusted.
AA
The
tall
building
identification
signs
must
be
turned
off
at
11,
PM
daily,
and
the
applicant
must
use
a
third
party
service
to
certify
the
mounting
and
installation
and
that
it's
consistent
with
the
approved
plans.
This
is
because
Evanston
inspectors
are
not
experienced
in
working
on
signs
260
feet
of
upgrade,
so
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
these
conditions
and
is
moving
forward
with
those
in
mind.
We
have
a
next
slide.
Please.
AA
All
right
so
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
sign
regulations.
We
know
that
the
evanston's
codes
have
been
reorganized,
such
that
this
board
has
been
created
and
Consolidated
from
a
couple
of
other
boards.
AA
Along
with
that,
the
signed
regulations
have
been
moved
from
the
title:
IV
buildings
chapter
10
to
title
VI,
zoning
chapter
19.,
along
with
that
conversion,
the
prior
version,
when
it
resided
in
buildings,
had
its
own
standards
for
variations,
which
were
much
easier
to
basically
fulfill
and
were
geared
towards
issues
that
would
arise
with
signs
and
difficulties
in
complying
with
the
sign
ordinance
the
by
moving
it
to
zoning
and
applying
the
standards
or
variations.
The
bars
set
a
lot
higher,
much
more
difficult
to
justify
those
in
terms
of
the
the
standards
for
variations.
AA
We
will
walk
through
those
and,
in
my
opinion,
they
do
satisfy
that
criteria.
But
it
should
be
noted
that
you
know
the
standards
for
zoning.
Variations
are
generally
intended
to
look
at
variations
from
Provisions
that
more
directly
affect
health
safety
morals
into
General
Welfare
of
the
public,
whereas
signage,
you
know
kind
of
only
relates
to
the
last
two
of
those
we
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
the
relevant
Provisions
inside
the
sand.
AA
The
sign
standards
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
are
the
general
Provisions,
the
general
standards,
the
area
and
measurement
standards
and
the
permitted
side.
Types
embedded
in
the
general
standards
are
standards
that
talk
about
illumination.
AA
So
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
turn
the
podium
over
to
Emily
Clinton
Smith
from
Schuler
shook
to
speak
briefly
about
those
foreign.
J
To
you,
sir
I'm,
sorry,
you
are
proposing
to
signs
each
one
on
the
south
and
the
north
have
a
considered
having
a
single
sign
on
the
west.
AA
That
would
be
a
question
for
I
believe
the
the
applicant
who's
gone
through
several
different
iterations
with
that
and
arrived
at
this
particular
sign
program,
as
sort
of
the
best
compromise,
the
important
to
note
that
there
are
really
two
components
to
their
brand.
Both
the
standards
and
engagement
and
the
research
institute.
J
H
Y
To
respond
to
the
commissioner's
question
a
moment
ago,
without
getting
sort
of
too
technical
about
it,
we
are
separate
but
related
non-profits,
one
is
a
501c3,
that's
UL
research
institutes.
We're
still
have
the
legal
name,
Underwriters
Laboratories,
which
everyone
will
be
familiar
with,
and
then
our
our
new
organization,
UL
standards
and
engagement,
is
a
501c4
and
it's
it's
very
important.
Y
You
know,
visibility
of
it
from
any
of
the
neighboring
buildings,
and
so
we
think
it's
important
and
and
that
we
maintain
the
ability
to
damage
straight.
There's
two
parts
of
UL
that
have
chosen
to
make
our
headquarters
in
this
building
we'd
never
get
an
agreement
of
okay
who
who
which
color,
wins
and,
of
course,
the
UL
that
you
see
on
all
your
products
at
home,
on
your
Christmas
lights
and
everything
else.
That
remains
that
UL
red-
that's
the
UL
testing
business,
but
UL
research
institutes.
Y
J
AB
We
are
well
known
for
working
on
on
all
kinds
of
exterior
lighting
projects,
interior
lighting
projects.
We
were
engaged
to
evaluate
the
proposed
signage
lighting
and
to
determine
whether
it
complies
with
the
the
ordinances
related
to
signage
lighting,
and
so
that's
what
I'll
be
speaking
about
in
a
minute.
I
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
AB
So
what
summarize?
There
are
three
different
sections
of
the
signage
ordinance
that
pertain
to
lighting
and
there
are
three
different
areas:
the
first
being
related
to
brightness,
the
second
to
glare
and
the
third
to
any
kind
of
flashing
element
with
the
lighting.
So,
to
start
with
the
brightness,
there
are
two
components
to
that:
the
first
has
to
do
with
what's
called
a
luminance
or
how
much
light
is
incident
on
a
plane.
AB
That
would
be
incident
on
a
surface
or
in
this
case
an
imaginary
plane.
If
you
imagine
a
plane,
14
feet
in
front
of
the
sign
and
based
on
what's
been
proposed
for
the
signage
lighting,
because,
as
Mr
Kissel
stated,
the
lighting
is
integrated
within
the
sign.
The
face
of
the
sign
is
opaque.
There's
no
light
emitted
through
the
the
front
face
of
the
sign.
AB
The
lighting
is
oriented
to
the
back,
it's
emitted
out
the
back
through
a
diffusing
layer
and
it
reflects
off
the
mounting
plate
that
Mr
Kissel
stated,
which
will
be
a
bronze
color
to
blend
in
with
the
facade,
and
you
might
imagine
that
a
darker
bronze
color
absorbs
a
fair
amount
of
light,
so
knowing
that
the
orientation
of
the
lighting
and
that
it's
reflecting
off
a
dark
color,
we
can
very
confidently
say
that
this
proposed
signage
lighting
will
not
get
anywhere
close
to
that
75
foot
candle
threshold.
So
we
satisfy
that
requirement.
AB
The
second
piece
of
the
brightness
part
of
the
code
speaks
to
an
issue.
That's
called
light,
trespass,
so
how
much
light
that
is
emitted
from
the
sign
to
an
adjoining
property.
In
this
case,
this
part
of
the
code
speaks
to
adjoining
Residential
Properties
and
by
our
estimation,
that
would
be
the
property
to
the
northeast
of
this
site,
which
would
be
I
believe
the
1630
Chicago
Avenue
building,
as
Mr
Kissel,
showed
it
showed
earlier
that
property
is
200
feet
away,
and
this
sign
is
200
some
feet
up
in
the
air.
AB
So
if
we
were
to
look
at
how
much
light
the
sign
at
the
top
of
the
building
would
produce
three
feet
of
above
the
ground
at
that
residential
property,
it
would
be
negligible.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
measure
any
light
from
the
signs,
so
we
certainly
meet
that
part
of
the
zoning
or
of
the
the
ordinance
moving
on
to
glare
the
middle
of
the
slide.
This
speaks
to
the
design
of
the
sign
and
how
the
lighting
is
integrated
within
the
sign.
AB
As
I
mentioned,
all
of
the
light
is
emanating
out
of
the
back
of
the
sign.
The
face
of
the
sign
is
opaque
again,
there's
no
light
emitted
out
of
the
front
of
the
sign.
So,
given
that
and
given
that
the
light
is
reflecting
off
the
bronze
colored
plate,
we
feel
very
comfortable
that
this
certainly
satisfies
the
glare
requirement.
It
will
be
a
very
comfortable
sign
to
view
and
will
not
produce
glare
and
I
should
mention
too.
As
has
been
stated,
the
signs
will
have
dimmer
controls
for
them
too.
AB
So
there's
full
range
of
flexibility
with
being
able
to
adjust
the
output
of
the
LEDs
that
are
embedded
within
the
sign
to
to
make
sure
that
it
feels
comfortable
for
viewing
and
then
the
last
piece
of
the
signage
ordinance
related
to
lighting
has
to
do
with
flashing
elements.
There's
no
flashing
element
designed
for
these
signs.
The
lighting
will
be
on
at
a
static
level,
a
static
intensity.
So
there's
there's
really
that's
a
non-issue
as
it
relates
to
lighting.
So
that's,
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
but
certainly
I'll
stick
around.
A
I
have
a
couple
questions:
okay
for
like
two
questions:
I
guess
so,
with
this
being
backlit
Can,
you
estimate
how
wide
the
radius
is
that
is
created
by
the
Light
around.
So
it's
a
14
foot
circle
Can.
You
estimate
how
much
of
that
light
is
thrown
out.
That's.
J
AB
Base
of
the
mounting
plate
on
the
facade,
it's
a
function
of
the
width
of
the
channel
That,
the
LEDs
are
mounted
within
it's
a
function
of
the
Finish
inside
the
back
of
the
the
sign
and
how
that
light
is
bouncing
around
inside
the
back
of
the
the
signage
Channel
and
emanates
from
the
back
of
the
sign.
So
there
are
ways
that
we
could
attempt
to
model
that,
but
would
it
be
very
precise,
no
I.
A
S
AA
We've
had
I've
had
conversations
with
Katie
Conroy
who's,
the
senior
sales
consultant
at
poblocki,
just
for
sort
of
the
specification
of
the
sides
in
general,
which
allowed
us
to
to
generate
that
graphic.
That's
you
know
fairly
accurate
with
respect
to
it
will
be
built.
The
distance
between
the
that
backing
layer
of
polycarbonate
with
the
diffuser
on
it
and
the
plate
is
between
three
and
five
inches.
So.
AA
It's
a
fairly
tight
tolerance
there
and,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
the
the
size
of
the
backing
plate
is
maybe
six
inches
larger
than
the
diameter
of
the
sign
itself.
So
15
feet:
yeah.
Okay,
as
far
as
ballpark
goes,
you
know,
that's
that's
sort
of
the
situation
all
right,
so
if
I
could
have
the
next
slides,
actually
I.
A
Think
there
were
some
other
questions,
pretty
much
Klingon
Smith.
AB
The
way
that
you
had
there
are
different
types
of
dimmers
available
on
the
market,
but
generally
speaking,
dimmers
for
Led
sources
condemned
to
off
very
smoothly
so
I
I.
Don't
think
it
should
be
any
issue
whatsoever
to
have
the
type
of
dimmer
that
would
dim
down
to
0.1
percent
of
full
so
negligible.
O
Hello,
have
you
assessed
the
lights
for
compliance
with
the
Evanston
bird
friendly
Ordnance.
AA
I'm
a
book
one
of
the
conditions
from
Dapper
was
that
the
lights
be
turned
off
at
11
o'clock,
which
complies
with
best
practices
with
regard
to
bird
friendly
design,
any
other
components
that
were
contained
in
that
ordinance
I
believe
one
of
them
has
to
do
with
not
turning
on
the
lights
until
after
a
certain
hour
in
the
morning
during
migration
Seasons.
All
of
that
would
be
followed.
O
O
I
part
of
me
feels
like
it
probably
isn't
as
fine
and
incomplete
compliance
with
the
ordinance
as
written.
However,
this
building
is
a
bit
of
an
exception
to
the
the
skyline
on
Evanston
and
I'd,
be
curious
to
know
what
you
know
ever
Evanston.
What
what
the
bird
with
the
Evanston
you
know,
bird
experts
would
would
say
to
review
it,
given
that
it's
not
given
that
their
ordinance
applies
to
typical
buildings
of
more
modest
height,
and
this
one
is
a
bit
of
an
exception.
O
I'd
be
interested
in
trying
to
see.
If
you
know
some
of
the
local
groups
could
could
weigh
in
on
that.
AA
We'd
be
interested
to
hear
what
they
said.
We
do
have
some
recent
experience
on
that
in
Skokie,
where
we
were
the
Consultants
on
the
carvana
project
and
by
and
large
you
know,
we
were
exposed
in
great
detail
to
best
practices
regarding
lighting,
and
you
know
it's
my
belief
that
the
turning
the
lights
off
at
11
o'clock
year
round,
which
exceeds
you,
know
the
general
standard
for
doing
it
during
migration
season,
as
well
as
complying
with
the
the
turn
on
time.
AA
You
know
going
Beyond
early
morning
where
there
are
some
possibilities
for
disorientation,
so
yeah,
based
on
what
I
know
about
those
ordinances,
what
I
know
about
best
practices
or
that
experience
I'm,
confident
that
this
will
comply
with
the
you
know,
requirements
of
those
putting
forth
the
bird
friendly
design
foreign
anything
else
before
we
move
forward
all
right,
commissioner
Johnson
has
a.
P
AA
P
And
and
so
the
identification
of
the
just
a
person
on
the
street
looking
up
at
the
I
guess
understanding
that
the
those
two
logos
represent
two
different
entities.
P
Is
I,
it
seems
to
be
difficult
for
for
an
average
person
with
without
the
words
Research
Institute.
The
word
Mark
next
to
the
logo
is,
is
the
is
the
word
Mark
next
logo
going
on
the
the
monument
signs?
Yes,
they
are,
but
not
at
the
top
of
the
bill.
AA
P
AA
So
now
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
variations,
we're
getting
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
what
we're
really
asking
for
here
with
respect
to
the
tall
building
identification
signs,
we're
seeking
relief
from
1699
to
86.,
which
is
the
subset
of
wall
signs
and
addresses
tall
building
identification
signs.
AA
So,
as
was
mentioned
earlier
in
the
staff
report,
buildings
of
six
stories
are
greater
where
the
occupant
between
the
Second
Story
and
the
top
story,
which
is
one
of
the
criteria
for
having
one
of
these
signs,
that
criteria
isn't
met
so
we're
seeking
relief
from
that
particular
sub-criteria.
Within
this
standard,
the
other
one
is
at
one
tall.
Building
identification
site
per
facade
may
be
placed
in
in
a
location
the
definition
of
facade
in
the
ordinance
mandates
Frontage
on
a
public
way.
AA
The
north
elevation
of
the
building,
because
this
was
a
planned
development-
does
not
have
Street
Frontage,
so
we'd
be
seeking
relief
from
that
requirement.
And,
finally,
the
area
requirement.
The
identification
of
a
wall
sign
shall
not
exceed
100
square
feet.
We're
proposing
two
signs
at
200
square
feet,
each
with
respect
to
the
general
standards
for
internal
illumination.
So
there's
a
provision
here
that
states
internally
illuminated
signs
shall
permit
light
to
shine
fully
only
through
the
lettering
in
graphic
elements
of
the
sign
that
would
be
the
equivalent
of
a
lit
building
sign.
AA
There's
a
bit
of
a
conflict
in
the
ordinance.
When
you
look
at
the
bonus
provision
that
talks
about
wall
signs,
it
talks
about
the
shielded,
backlit
signs
as
getting
a
bonus,
so
we
know
that
those
are
permitted
somewhere
in
the
ordinance.
In
fact,
they're
encouraged
because
of
a
20
bonus
is
allowed
for
those.
So,
even
though
you
know
it
seems
like
this
we're,
we
need
relief
from
this
particular
aspect
of
the
ordinance.
You
know
it's,
you
know
we're
pursuing
it
for
sort
of
belt
and
suspenders
sake
here.
AA
AA
So
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
now
the
variations
related
to
the
freestanding
sign.
This
is
section
619,
9b1,
I'm,
talking
about
the
location,
only
one
freestanding
sign
is
permitted
percentage
per
premises
because
of
the
existing
sign
North
on
the
property.
The
addition
of
a
sign
on
Orrington
would
require
relief
in
that
particular
provision
and
with
respect
to
the
overall
sort
of
signage
program.
AA
There's
sort
of
two
standards
with
respect
to
the
area
limitations
that
we're
seeking
relief
from
the
first
is
that
the
total
combined
surface
of
all
signs
on
the
premise
is
capped
at
500
square
feet.
It
should
be
noted
that
there
are
two
other
sort
of
proportional
standards.
One
is
that
half
a
percent
of
the
entire
site
area
or
15
of
the
eligible
facade
area.
AA
If
you
were
to
measure
the
eligible
facade
area
on
the
site
and
apply
that
15
percent
factor
to
it,
the
allowable
amount
of
signage
approaches
900
square
feet,
but
because
of
that
500
square
foot
cap,
you
know
we
have
to
seek
relief
from
that
particular
aspect
of
the
ordinance
and
the
other
portion
of
the
provision
that
we're
seeking
relief
from
is
that
the
service
area
be
proportional
to
the
occupancy.
AA
As
was
mentioned
earlier,
the
tenant
will
occupy
about
17
percent
of
the
leasable
space,
whereas
it
will
be
comprising
over
50
percent
of
the
building
signage
on
the
site.
So
relief
is
required
from
that.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what's
existing
on
the
site,
the
three
signs
that
we
pointed
out
earlier,
total
to
about
345
square
feet,
the
addition
of
the
48
square
feet
and
the
other
400
square
feet
from
the
tall
building
identity.
AA
Signs
amounts
to
looks
like
448
square
feet,
so
we're
just
under
800
square
foot
feet
for
the
entire
site
in
terms
of
signage.
AA
If
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
so
now
we're
going
to
go
through
the
variation
standards
and
hopefully
give
you
a
a
benchmark
from
which
to
to
make
your
own
evaluation.
AA
The
first
standard
is
whether
the
requested
variation
will
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties
should
be
noted.
That
adjoining
properties
is
also
defined
in
the
ordinance
as
properties
that
share
a
lot
line.
So
if
there's
an
intervening,
right-of-way
or
Ali,
it's
not
really
thought
of.
As
adjoining,
we
did
take
a
look
at
the
nearby
residential
buildings
because
we
felt
that
we
wanted
to
evaluate
what
the
impacts
might
be
from
this
sign.
AA
You
know
inside
you
know
the
buildings
that
are
closest
and
are
occupied
by
residential
use
in
general.
What
we
have
here
is
three
buildings
that
are
in
close
proximity,
1630
Chicago
Avenue,
which
is
the
park
Evanston,
it's
about
200
feet
from
the
sign
at
the
nearest
unit.
It
should
be
noted
at
1630,
Chicago
Avenue
is
oriented
to
basically
capitalize
on
views
to
the
east.
As
a
result,
the
west
elevation
is
occupied
by
two
units,
generally
they're
bedrooms.
AA
In
the
middle
of
the
elevation
and
living
rooms
and
dining
rooms
at
the
corner
so
that
they
can
capture
a
view
of
the
lake,
the
impact
on
that
building
is
limited
to
really
floors
above
12
stories
once
you're.
If
you're
standing
in
your
unit
a
couple
of
feet
away
from
the
glass-
and
you
look
out
your
window,
you
really
don't
see
the
sign,
because
it's
some
260
feet
in
the
air
and
for
the
upper
units.
AA
It's
you
know,
200
feet
away
and
a
small
object
on
the
elevation
with
respect
to
807
Davis.
It's
about
280
feet
away
further,
it's
kind
of
inside
the
view
corridor,
but
what
we'll
find
out
is
that
the
presence
of
the
site
in
that
view
Corner
Corridor,
is
minimal
because
of
the
oblique
angle
at
which
it's
shown
and
the
other
building
that's
nearest
by
is
1580
Sherman,
which
is
Optima
Towers
about
350
feet
more
than
a
football
field
away.
AA
Signage
in
general
has
little
potential
to
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
That's
because
signs
don't
increase
traffic
congestion,
they
don't
add
to
noise
vibration,
particulate
matter
danger
of
fire
explosion,
hours
of
operation
Etc,
it's
land
use,
impacts,
are
minimal
outside
of
aesthetic
concerns.
AA
The
only
property
again
that's
classified
as
being
adjoining
is
Library
Plaza,
which
is
immediately
to
the
north.
It's
a
seven-story
Condo
building
it
has
only
eight
south
facing
windows
and
because
of
their
height,
none
would
actually
see
the
sign
it's
200
feet.
Above
again,
we
talked
about
the
adjacent
residential
or
nearby
residential
units.
I
just
want
to
take
a
quick
look
and
show
you
the
views
from
807
Davis.
AA
This
is
from
the
23rd
floor
balcony.
You
can
see
very
slightly.
The
blue
sign
there
again.
The
oblique
angle
at
which
The
View
Corridor
is
influenced
by
this
is
minimal,
and
the
impact
on
these
units
would
be
minimal
in
terms
of
visual
impact
of
the
signage.
We
also
modeled
another
view
from
the
far
north
balcony
on
the
23rd
floor.
AA
If
we
can
have
the
next
slide-
and
you
see
a
similar
situation
where
here,
you
have
the
combination
of
both
distance
and
oblique
angle,
you
know
basically
having
a
negligible
effect
in
terms
of
visibility.
AA
So
if
we
could
have
the
well
I
suppose
we
have
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
with
respect
to
the
freestanding
sign
on
Orrington
in
this
standard,
the
frontage
is
about
300
feet,
397
feet
along
Orrington,
and
the
separation
between
the
two
signs
would
be
about
230
feet.
There's
no
way,
you
could
really
see
both
signs
at
the
same
time
from
any
perspective,
so
again,
very
negligible
impact
on
view
or
sort
of
general
welfare.
So,
basically
there's
nothing
from
a
land
use
perspective
here.
AA
AA
So
there's
really
three
Provisions
with
respect
to
the
intent
and
purposes
of
the
ordinance
that
are
relevant
to
signs
one,
promoting
the
public
health
safety,
Comfort
morals,
convenience
in
general,
whatever
we're
really
talking
about
morals
and
general
welfare
sign
regulations
existed
generally
protect
the
public
from
obscene
brutal
or
offensive
messaging.
The
variations
proposed
are
for
size
and
location
and
there's
nothing
offensive
about
the
messaging
of
UL.
AA
Granting
the
requested
variations
for
the
proposed
sign-up
program
would
help
burnish
evanston's
reputation
as
a
destination
for
corporate
headquarters
and
help
fill
a
significant
vacancy
in
a
lot
of
evanston's
Premier
office
properties
and
then,
finally,
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
the
third
intent
purpose
that
can
be
relevant
to
science
is
prohibiting
uses
buildings
or
structures
which
a
sign
is
that
are
incompatible
with
the
character
of
established
learning
districts.
This
is
a
slide.
We
showed
you
before.
That
shows
the
UL
sign
on
the
North
elevation.
AA
In
the
context
of
other
building
signage-
and
you
see
in
terms
of
its
scale
and
prominence,
it's
comparable
and
not
out
of
place,
it's
also
known
that
downtown
Evanston
is
decidedly
commercial
in
character,
though
it
is
a
mixed-use
area
and
signage
is
a
part
of
that
character.
So
the
inclusion
of
signage
in
here
is
consistent
with
you
know
the
the
character
of
established
zoning
districts.
We
could
have
the
next
slide
please.
AA
So
now
we
get
into
the
issue
of
hardship
and
whether
that's
peculiar
to
the
property,
something
that
would
be
generally
applicable
to
other
properties
with
respect
to
the
tall
building
identification
sign.
As
we've
heard,
1603
Orrington
is
the
tallest
commercial
structure
in
downtown
Evanston.
It's
the
tallest
commercial
structure
between
Chicago
and
Milwaukee,
at
270
feet
and
over
300
000
square
feet
of
rentable
Office
Space
property
was
originally
approved
as
a
plan.
AA
Development
in
1966
is
a
multi-building
plant
development
on
a
nearly
two
Acre
Site
1603
Orrington
is
a
visible
object
from
all
directions,
but
really
only
has
Frontage
on
two
sides:
orington
and
Davis,
due
to
the
configuration
of
the
site
plan
and
the
size
of
the
site.
So
this
configuration
really
precludes
compliance
with
the
Ordnance
standard
for
a
tall
building
identification
sign
on
the
North
facing
elevation,
which
provides
visibility
from
Northwestern
University
in
the
Metro
Union
Pacific
Northline
in
the
CTA
purple
line
that
carries
in
excess
of
40
000
weekday
passengers.
AA
Given
a
tenants
logo
configuration
the
letter
size
for
100
square
foot.
Sign
which
would
meet
the
ordinance
would
only
be
about
42
inches,
which
would
only
have
visual
impact
up
to
about
420
feet
away.
Considering
the
building
height
of
270
feet,
100
square
foot
limit
severely
reduces
the
effectiveness
of
a
tall
building
identification
sign
in
General
on
the
subject
property,
causing
a
practical
difficulty
in
complying
with
the
letter
of
the
ordinance
with
respect
to
the
additional
freestanding
sign
on
Orrington,
as
mentioned
earlier.
AA
It's
again
one
of
the
largest
development
Parcels
in
downtown
Evanston.
The
existing
freestanding
sign
on
Orrington
is
located
near
the
northernmost
two-story
commercial
building.
It's
remote
not
visible
from
the
main
entry,
the
1603
orington
building
the
proposed
freestanding
signs
about
230
feet
away
from
the
existing
sign.
So
it's
really
the
size
of
the
site,
the
length
of
Orrington
and
the
fact
that
there
are
multiple
structures
onto
premises
that
require
identification
signs
at
The
Pedestrian
level
to
create
a
practical
difficulty
in
complying
with
the
prohibition
on
multiple
freestanding
signs
on
Orrington.
AA
AA
So
we
already
heard
from
the
applicant
owner
of
the
property
with
regard
to
the
significant
reduction
in
Leasing
and
of
the
of
the
of
the
asset
due
to
covid-19
result
decline
in
office
demand
and
occupancy
due
to
emerging
preferences
for
hybrid
work
environment,
the
vacancy
rates
again
at
1603
orington
over
30
33
percent.
AA
With
you
know
another
30
percent
due
to
come
off
the
books
in
another
couple
of
years.
The
potential
tenants
in
the
process
of
a
rebranding
strategy
in
places
a
very
high
priority,
as
you
heard,
on
being
able
to
communicate
their
identity
through
building
identification
and
signage.
AA
AA
You
know
the
next
slide
please,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
two-pronged
standard.
The
first
is
that
whether
the
variation
is
based
exclusively
on
a
desire
to
extract
more
income
from
the
property,
the
second
recognizes
that,
even
if
there
is
some
increase
in
income
there,
there
should
also
be
some
public
benefit
associated
with
the
granting
of
the
order
of
the
the
variation.
AA
So
the
program
request
and
the
variations
aren't
based
on
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
for
the
property,
the
variations,
don't
increase,
leasable
or
salable
area.
They
don't
allow
additional
or
really
any
dwelling
units
or
parking
spaces
on
the
site.
The
applicant
seeks
only
to
provide
the
required
level
amenity
in
the
form
of
building
identification
signage
in
order
to
secure
a
large-scale
corporate
tenant
and
compete
in
the
North
Suburban
office.
Market.
AA
Furthermore,
the
signage
proposed,
in
particular
the
tall
building
identification
signage
telegraphs.
The
message
that
downtown
Evanston
is
a
desirable
destination
for
corporate
headquarters.
It's
important
not
only
for
The
Branding
of
UL,
but
also
for
The
Branding
of
Evanston.
All
of
these
positive
impacts
provide
a
public
benefit.
That's
listed
in
6363g,
which
is
the
requirement
of
the
ordinance
which
identifies
supporting
business,
Commercial
and
Manufacturing
development
to
enhance
the
local
economy
and
straight
from
the
tax
base.
AA
Next
slide,
please
so
the
this
is
the
standard
where
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person.
You
have
an
interest
in
the
property
in
general,
the
Practical
difficulty
in
complying
with
a
listed
signing
regulations
is
caused
by
the
unusual
size,
bulk
scale
and
configuration
of
the
subject
property,
along
with
the
office
market
conditions
that
require
building
identification,
signage
for
large-scale
corporate
tenants.
Neither
of
these
conditions
were
created
by
the
applicant
and
finally,
the
last
standard.
AA
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
and
that
the
Luc
is
a
decision
regarding
the
variation,
so
the
applicant
has
explored,
as
has
been
testified
to
earlier
numerous
signed
schemes,
experimenting
the
size,
number
and
placement
the
tall
building
identification
signs.
The
current
proposed
scheme
represents
a
compromised
Solution,
that's
acceptable
to
the
proposed
tenant,
it's
understated
and
reasonable,
even
though
it
requires
several
variations
due
to
the
size
of
the
site.
AA
The
scale
of
the
structure
and
configuration
of
the
existing
plan,
reducing
the
size
of
the
additional
signage
to
comply
with
ordinance
standards
for
area
would
result
in
signage.
That
would
be
too
small
to
be
read
from
a
distance
or
have
any
visual
impact,
and
even
then
you'd
still
need
variations
in
order
to
put
a
sign
on
that
North
elevation
due
to
the
configuration
of
the
public
ways
if
we
get
out
the
next
slide.
V
A
V
My
name
is
Tim
McGraw
I'm,
the
general
counsel
of
the
two
organizations
and
I.
What
I
wanted
to
do?
You
know
the
last
criteria
was
what
what
do
we
bring
to
the
community
and
I?
Think
just
you
don't
have
yet
an
introduction
of
what
these
two
businesses
are.
The
blue
has
a
research
institute,
so
it
has
a
fire
safety
and
energy,
a
chemistry,
A
Material,
Science
digital.
We
partner
with
universities
all
over
the
United
States
we're
a
convener
which
means
we're
gonna.
V
They're
in
in
these
two
organizations
is
we're
a
convener,
which
means
we
have
a
partnership
like
with
Northwestern,
but
we
don't
just
have
a
partnership
with
Northwestern.
We
just
received
30
applications
from
universities
all
across
the
United
States
for
digital
projects.
So
we're
not
going
to
be
doing
lab
work
here,
but
we're
going
to
be
bringing
people
to
this
wherever
we're
headquartered
we're
going
to
be
bringing
people
from
all
over
the
U.S
for
meanings
to
talk
about
research
and
paths
and
things.
V
So
it's
not
just
the
200
employees
we're
going
to
have
a
a
whole
bunch
of
other
people
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
this
headquarters
all
the
time,
and
there
was
some
reference
to
the
board
meeting
one
of
the
first
things
the
board
raised,
we're
not-for-profit
organization
at
both
levels.
You
know
we
have
a
Provost
from
MIT
on
the
board.
He
wanted
to
know
about
signage
because
he
knows
where
right
in
the
shadow
of
Northwestern
University.
V
What's
our
what's
our
signage
going
to
be
on
this
building,
he
went
immediately
on
Google
to
the
Chase
Tower
and
notice.
There
were
two
little
spaces
already
used
for
North
Western's
offices
there,
okay,
so
our
board
is
very
focused
on
if
we're
putting
our
headquarters
here.
It's
a
long-term
commitment,
they're
very
focused
on
having
that
Circle.
We
just
in
the
middle
of
a
brand
launch
that
we
started
this
year,
but
we
want
to
get
some
traction
where
people
see
the
blue
circle
understand.
V
That's
a
research
institute,
a
leading
worldwide
innovator
of
research
for
safety
in
areas
that
we
may
expand
in
and
then
on
the
green
side,
A
convener
of
technical
people
in
Industries
all
across
the
whole
Spectrum
to
make
standards
that
are
then
used
to
test
products.
Okay,
so
I,
just
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
what
these
two
different
businesses
do.
V
V
V
Okay,
some
of
the
people
that
are
at
other
academic
universities
think
that's
great,
but
they
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
so
centered
on
Northwestern
in
some
area
when
we
should
be
maybe
working
with
academic
universities
on
the
West
Coast
or
the
East
Coast.
There's
a
lot
of
different
briefly.
Y
Just
to
add
to
that
you
know
we
can't
get
grad
students
from
Northwestern
to
our
current
place
unless
they
own
a
car,
you
can't
get
from
Lincoln
Park.
We
had
an
inch,
a
brilliant
intern.
This
summer
he
had
a
heck
of
a
time
figuring
out
his
way.
You
can't
get
to
Northbrook
from
from
a
lot
of
places
in
Chicago.
Y
You
can
get
to
Evanston
and
that's
a
huge.
We
want
to
have
a
Workforce
and
researchers
that
resembles
the
world.
We
live
in,
and
you
know
northbrook's
a
wonderful
place
if
you
have
a
car,
but
if
you
don't
it
really
self-selects
out
a
lot
of
the
people
and
we
we
expect
to
have
a
not
just
Northwestern,
but
this
exchange
of
brains
that
Tim's
referring
to
from
universities
all
over
the
world.
Y
I
think
you
know
we're
going
to
follow
with
great
interest
the
status
of
the
Orrington
Hotel,
the
you
know,
some
of
the
new
hotels
that
are
we've
read
our
proposed
because
we're
going
to
need
we're
going
to
need
rooms
for
all
these
people,
but
that
we're
looking
for
an
exchange
of
brains,
because,
even
though
we've
been
at
this
for
130
years,
we
don't
have
all
the
answers,
and
it's
in
these
convenings
it's
the
person
in
the
back
of
the
room,
there's
some
very
young,
PhD
postdoc
that
says.
Have
you
considered
this?
Y
That's
where
we
find
the
best
sort
of
route
to
solving
really
hard
safety
problems
is
through
these
convenings.
So
we
want
to
convene
as
much
if
not
more
so
than
rotary
or
American
Hospital,
Supply
I'm,
not
sure
they're
still
here,
but
you
know
we
want
to
be
a
big
convener
within
this
city.
Thank
you.
V
A
I
think
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
go
to
a
citizen
signed
up
to
comment,
so
I'll
ask
Mr
Weiss.
If
you
would
like
to
comment.
C
I've
been
a
resident
of
Evanston
since
1967
when
it
was
the
State
National
Bank.
Building
I
was
co-author
of
the
evanston's
original
sign
ordinance
and
it
was
a
six-year
member
and
chairman
of
the
sign.
Reviewing
appeals
board
in
2008
I
designed
this
unified
Business
Center
sign
plan
for
1603
Orrington
for
Gallivan
company,
and
that
plan
was
approved
without
any
requests
for
variation.
C
As
a
result,
neither
design
appearance,
Review
Committee,
nor
your
commission
are
well
equipped
to
address
signage
proposals,
let
alone
complex
ones
such
as
this.
Before
you
tonight,
your
staff
now
and
I
quote-
acknowledges
inconsistencies
within
the
sign
code
that
were
not
realized
when
the
sign
code
was
recently
moved
from
building
ordinance
to
zoning
ordinance,
the
relationship
between
signage
and
existing
zoning
standards
for
major
variations
and
the
lack
of
a
codified
process
to
Institute
unified,
Business
Center
sign
plans
on
a
larger
multi-tenant
properties
such
as
this
end
quote
the
application
here
tonight.
C
The
applicant
here
tonight
is
taking
advantage
of
that
broken
link
and
is
pursuing
seven
zoning
amendments
assignments
set
seven
zoning
variations
that
fill
a
half
a
page
on
the
agenda,
each
of
the
seven
requests
an
access
is
excessive
and
in
total
asks
for
nearly
twice
what
is
permitted.
C
There
are
a
lot
of
numbers
spoken
tonight,
I
believe
I
have
my
numbers
correct,
but
I
want
to
summarize
those
seven
zoning
requests,
two
tall
building
signs,
TBS
I
call
them
when
one
is
permitted,
each
TBS
200
square
feet.
One
100
square
feet
is
permitted
one
sign
on
a
facade
not
parallel
to
a
street
when
none
are
permitted
external
illumination
on
the
TBS
tall
building
sign
my
code
when
only
internal
illumination
is
permitted.
C
C
C
C
We've
heard
a
lot
of
we've
heard
of
a
lot
of
reasons
for
them
being
here
tonight
and
I.
Ask
you
to
think
about
that
carefully.
Consider
it,
because
is
it
the
number
signs
of
Lumina
size
illumination
of
these
signs?
That
would
bring
200
employees
that
out
on
Evanston
will
those
employees
fail
to
show
up
if
you
do
your
job
and
hold
the
line
on
excessive
signage,
on
excessive
variations
to
ensure
a
positive,
ascetic
and
functional
presentation
of
the
signage
in
our
public
space
I.
C
A
Is
there
anyone
else
here,
I,
don't
believe
so,
who
wanted
to
speak
to
us
this
evening,
not
seeing
anyone
I'll
ask
Mrs
pure.
If
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
say
in
summation
before
we
close
the
record
or
any
of
your
parties,
George.
AA
He's
just
a
couple
of
small
points:
you
know
anytime
we're
talking
about
variations
from
an
ordinance
there's
a
letter,
there's
a
variation
to
the
letter
of
the
ordinance
and
there's
variation
to
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance.
AA
The
the
price
speaker
indicated
that
only
one
tall
building
identification
side
would
provide
be
permitted
on
the
site.
That's
false
tall
building
identification
signs
are
allowed
on
each
facade,
their
two
facades
on
this.
What
we're
really
proposing
is
that
second
sign
be
allowed
to
be
located
on
a
facade.
It
doesn't
really
qualify
as
a
facade.
AA
Also,
there's
an
area
bonus,
that's
allowed
for
wall
signs.
This
is
a
subset
of
a
wall
sign.
The
statement
in
16
1993a
talks
about
that
area.
Bonus
where
an
occupants
permitted
sign
surface
for
area,
surface
area
for
wall
signs
on
a
facade
may
be
increased
by
20
percent,
though
not
exceeding
200
square
feet
for
an
individual
sign
area.
Maximum.
That's
about
right!
Where
we're
at
so.
In
some
cases
the
ordinance
does
contemplate
the
200
square,
foot
building
identification
side.
We
are
asking
for
that
variation
with
respect
to
proportionality.
AA
That
goes
to
sort
of
the
state
of
the
art.
In
terms
of
office
Leasing
and
what
current
expectations
are
for
large-scale
office,
tenants,
I'm
sure
Steve
can
say
more
about
that,
but
fairly
certain.
He
would
agree
that.
That's
not
you
know
something.
That's
always
been
in
the
realm
of
consideration,
particularly
when
the
initial
sign
ordinances
may
have
been
drafted
again.
Spirit
of
the
ordinance
first
letter
of
the
ordinance.
AA
There
are
a
lot
of
variations
that
are
required
or
being
requested.
However,
you
know
I
think
their
deviation,
given
some
of
the
other
provisions
of
the
ordinance
isn't
that
great
such
that
you
know
they
shouldn't
be
considered
by
this
board.
AA
A
You
with
that,
we
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberations.
I
will
say
this
is
our
first
sign
since
the
sign
ordinance
has
been
moved
over
to
us.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
something
really
interesting
to
work
with
on
the
first
one.
Not
let
us
get
our
feet
wet
on
a
small
thing:
Commissioners
General
thoughts,
Krishna
halek
I'll,
go.
G
Yeah
I
have
several
points
I'd
like
to
make
the
first
one
about
this.
This
idea
of
identity
with
ul
and
Evanston
I
I
think
that's
a
big
deal.
I
do
understand
it
and
I
think
that
I
think
it
will
help
Evanston.
G
G
I
think
the
signage
proposal
is
reasonable
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
standard
to
to
follow
personally
and
I
say
that,
because
the
site
is
very
large,
it's
one
of
the
largest
sites
in
Evanston
the
building
is
in
Mass
at
least
I
I.
Think
it's
one
of,
if
not
the
largest,
though
one
of
the
largest
in
Evans
and
so
I.
Think,
because
of
that,
the
the
building
sign
and
the
grout
ground
floor
signage
is
appropriate.
G
I
have
to
comment
on
the
logo,
which
I
think
is
a
great
logo.
I
I
think
that
if
you
would
have
proposed
the
words
along
with
that
logo,
I
I
would
have
had
a
totally
different
opinion
on
this,
but
I
think
the
logo
is
very
handsome.
It
doesn't
scream
at
you
all
that.
G
Another
point
which
deals
with
this
idea
of
of
you
know
the
office
situation
in
Evanston,
and
you
know
what
what
we
should
do
about
it,
which
or
shouldn't
care
about
it
I
think
we
should
care
about
it.
I
I
think
that
it's
a
different
world,
certainly
it
was
mentioned.
2008
standards
were
developed
in
2008.
Well,
2022
is
a
different
world
and
I
think
since
covid
we're
in
a
different
world
and
I
do
understand,
everybody
understands
working
from
home.
How
is
that?
G
How
that
has
devastated
office
space
or
changed
it
significantly?
So
I
think
we
do
have
to
consider
that
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
aware,
but
I
was
told
that
a
recent
project
that
we
that
we
approved
that
is
under
under
construction,
I,
think
on
the
Burger
King
site
and
it
was
presented
to
us
as
a
lab
building.
G
It
may
have
also
have
office
space
in
it,
I
suppose
Standard
Auto
space,
but
they
do
not
have
any
tenants
they.
They
are
building
this
building
totally
on
spec
and
I
hope
they
get
I
sure
hope
they
get
tenants
and
I'm
thinking
UL
being
here
and
maybe
there's
some
Synergy
there.
That
would
help
them
also,
which
would
be,
which
would
be
good.
G
That's
that's,
real,
oh
and
and
as
far
as
precedent
goes,
I
do
want
to
put
into
our
statement
whichever,
if
we,
if
we
do,
approve
this,
that
there
there
sh
there
shall
be
well
two
things.
One
is
that
if
this
tenant
leaves
which
hopefully
not
but
you
never
know
that
the
sign
will
come
down,
there's
been
buildings
in
Chicago,
where
these
signs
are
up
and
they
don't
represent
the
corporation.
That
was
there
originally
that
and
also
no
other
signs
on
on
this
building.
H
So
here
are
my
thoughts.
I
I
also
would
welcome,
certainly
UL
to
Evanston
I
think
you
would
be
wonderful
partners
with
us
be
good
to
have
you
here.
H
H
Signage
at
this
level
really
is
unprecedented
in
Evanston
and
I.
Think
it
will
set
a
precedent,
especially
for
more
tenants,
perhaps
at
that
building,
but
for
other
buildings
as
well,
and
the
city
needs
to
think
about
that.
What
does
that
do
to
the
overall
Community
feel
of
downtown
I?
H
Think
the
landlord
hasn't
necessarily
indicated
any
plans
for
reducing
the
existing
Monument
signage
on
the
premises
and,
frankly,
I'm
more
concerned
about
those
signs
than
I
am
about
the
signage
up
above
on
the
building,
which
you
know
depending
on
the
illumination
may
not
necessarily
be
a
problem.
I
do
think.
Keeping
that
signage
illuminated
till
11
goes
a
little
far.
I
would
suggest
that
that
be
turned
off
at
10
pm,
just
to
make
sure
that
the
surrounding
apartment
buildings
aren't
adversely
impacted
by
that.
H
O
I'm
in
favor
of
recommending
this
variant,
I'm
I
I
professionally,
have
a
background
in
quality
and
standards
and
certifications.
So
my
opinion
of
UL
as
a
company
is
extremely
high.
O
I
acknowledge
that
this
is
unprecedented,
and
it
certainly
is
a
big
ask
and
it
would
change
the
feel
of
Evanston,
but
I
think
it
would
be
for
the
better
I
think
this
is
the
right
kind
of
did.
The
Branding
of
UL
is
not
I.
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sympathetic
with
a
lot
of
the
submitted
opposition
comments
about
this.
Having
a
corporate
feel
I
don't
feel
like
the
ul's
brand
is
the
same
as
like
putting
Visa
up
on
top
of
this
building.
O
It's
very
different.
It
it
it.
It
has
a
responsible,
feel
a
tech
feel
a
professional
feel
and
I
think
that
actually
enhances
the
image
of
of
Evanston
I.
J
I
would
be
much
more
happier
if
you
asked
us
for
a
single
signage
of
this
size,
I'm
speaking
about
the
tall
building
signs
later
on,
I'll
go
for
the
the
ones
on
the
ground,
so
once
again,
I
would
be
much
happier
if
you
ask,
for
only
one,
because
then
we'll
be
much
would
be
much
closer
to
the
text
of
the
ordinance.
You
will
eliminate
I
believe
three
of
the
variances.
J
If
you
ask
for
a
single
sign
on
the
parallel
to
the
street
facade
anyway,
you're
asking
something
different,
I
would
say:
I'm
inclined
to
let
this
go
just
because
you're,
your
signage
is
only
your
logo,
as
commissioner
halik
mentioned,
if
you
asked
for
the
texts
on
the
signage,
I
would
be
against
that,
and
that
was
but
would
be
against
any
proposal
for
tall
signage
that
has
texts.
J
J
I
think
that
you
can
go
with
a
little
bit,
not
so
tall
science,
because
I
believe
you're,
proposing
six
feet
high
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
These
are
signages
that
are
a
little
bit
objection
to
view.
Maybe
just
a
little
bit
shorter
I
mean
the
height
wise.
What
the
what
the
better,
but
these
are
recommendations
and
wishes.
Otherwise,
once
again
a
kind
of
a
difficult
decision
on
my
side,
but
I
would
support
you.
Thank
you.
D
Sure
I
think
that
the
requested
variations
are
reasonable
again
I'm.
You
know,
concerned
about
President
and
I
agree
with
commissioner
halleck
that
should
yeah
there's
got
to
be
provision
that
if
the
tenant
leaves
Evanston,
we
hope
you
don't,
but
that
the
signs
be
removed
because
I
think
that
that
that's
really
important
congestion.
That's
all
I
have
thank.
P
Sure
I
I
concur
in
saying
that
I
think
that
the
this
is
a
reasonable
request.
P
The
and
I
do
agree
that
they're
shall
be
no
other
tall
building
signs
for
for
other
tenants
now
or
future,
and
that
this
this
sign
should
you
know,
shall
come
down
if
you
all
ever
decides
to
move
on
from
I.
I
I
also
agree
that
the
that
the
logo,
without
the
word
Mark
next
to
it
is,
is
this
far
superior
design
for
putting
on
you
know
near
the
top
of
the
building.
P
You
know
I.
As
far
as
some
of
the
concerns
raised
about
kind
of
the
commercial
look
of
it.
You
know,
I
I
had
asked
a
question
about
the
coloration
of
the
of
the
logos
because
I'm
you
know
I'm
struggling
to
think
of
it
think,
of
example,
to
throw
out
to
everybody.
P
But
you
know
in
some
communities
having
signage
be
of
a
uniform,
color
I'm
thinking
of
some
corporate
corporate
signage
in
some
communities
that
all
the
signage
has
to
be
white
like
if
it's
an
illuminated
sign
at
the
top
of
the
building
and
that
kind
of
I
guess
aesthetically
dials
down
the
the
the
commercial
look
of
the
logo
on
the
signage.
But
that's
not
that's
not
a
deal
breaker
for
me.
So
I
do
intend
to
to
support
this.
A
A
My
feelings
are
when
we
have
another
280
foot
tall
building
and
somebody
comes
to
us
with
signs
the
Precedence
been
set,
but
until
we
have
another
280
foot
building
with
signs
coming
to
it,
we
don't
have
to
worry
much
about
precedent.
Also,
I
would
say
that
in
looking
at
this
just
a
general
comment,
you
know,
Emerson
has
a
tall
building
sign.
Emerson
doesn't
really
have
tall
buildings
too
many
of
them.
So
you
know
it's
it's
it's.
A
What
do
we
Define
as
a
tall
building
in
Evanston
and
I
would
say
some
people
in
this
town
Define
it
as
anything
over
three
stories
but
I?
Think
when
we're
looking
at
the
tallest
building
that
we
have
in
town
and
think
about
how
far
removed
a
pedestrian
is
from
that
sign,
placing
small
signs
up.
There
almost
becomes
comical
because
they
really
lose
their
impact
overall
and
as
someone
who
works
in
branding
I
totally
understand
the
desire
to
have
a
building
branded.
That's
why
we
now
don't
go
to
Comiskey,
Park
anymore
and
I.
A
Think
I,
don't
know
what
it
is
these
days,
because
it's
changed
so
many
times,
but
that
even
dates
back
to
Wrigley
Field.
A
So
with
that
I
will
go
through
the
standards
we
do
have
seven
of
them.
That
must
be
met
the
first
one
being
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
We
have
heard
testimony
that
the
nearest
properties
are
about
200
feet
to
400
or
380
feet
away.
A
I
think
that
we've
also
heard
testimony
about
the
ability
to
dim
the
lights
and
play
with
their
brightness
on
the
fact
that
the
the
foot
candle
luminescence
of
the
of
the
signs
stays
well
below
what
we
require
and
the
fact
that
these
are
again
removed
from
and
and
even
to
some
level
the
backlighting
of
the
sign
versus
an
internal
illumination,
which
I
think
would
probably
create
a
much
brighter
sign
that
this
standard
has
been
met
and
it
will
not
adversely
impact
those
properties.
A
The
requested
variation
isn't
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
We
expect
businesses
to
be
able
to
put
reasonable
signage
on
their
properties.
It
should
be
scaled
to
fit
with
this
being
the
tallest
building
in
Evanston
and
the
distance
that
one
is
removed
from
the
signage.
As
I
mentioned
just
a
few
moments
ago,
it
seems
kind
of
fitting
to
have
a
slightly
larger
sign
on
the
largest
building
in
town,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
A
Number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
of
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property
once
again.
I'll
repeat,
this
is
evanston's
tallest.
Building
that
there
are
a
number
of
signs
already
in
place,
because
part
of
what
we've
experienced
through
the
pandemic
is
that
our
tallest
buildings
are
probably
going
to
have
more
tenants
in
them
and
tenants
want
signage.
Irrespect
are
not
paying
attention
to
this
particular
tenant,
but
tenants
do
want
signage
on
their
building.
A
A
A
I'm
going
to
say
to
this
one,
really,
the
one
thing
that
I
think
we
kind
of
haven't
really
talked
to
on
this
is
we're
really
talking
about
two
businesses
that
are
sharing
a
space?
These
are
two
aspects:
they
both
are
Underwriters
Laboratories,
but
they
really
are
two
separate
businesses
that
are
operating
within
the
same
space.
A
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
flexible
with
that.
I
also
think
that
the
inability
to
have
a
a
sign
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
does
seem
a
little
odd
on
this
particular
property.
I
think
when
the
when
the
ordinance
was
written
to
include
facades,
it
was
to
keep
signage
out
of
alleys
out
of
somewhere
on
the
side
of
a
building,
that's
going
directly
into
the
building
next
door
and
I.
Don't
think
that
this
building
does
that,
so
I
think
that
this
standard
is
Matt
number
five.
A
The
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
I
think
it's
it's
based
on
a
desire
to
extract
income.
I,
don't
think
it's
additional
income
I
think
it's
income.
We've
heard
testimony
that
that
you
know
rental
spaces
in
Evanston
for
office.
Spaces
have
have
really
greatly
increased
in
number
because
of
reduction
of
of
people
seeking
that
space.
A
I
also
think
that
by
bringing
in
a
large
business,
I
think
I
heard
200
people
was
roughly
the
number
that
was
that
was
thrown
out
there.
That
does
bring
additional
dollars
into
the
City
of
Evanston.
It
brings
people
who
will
be
eating
lunch
people
who
will
be
stopping
at
grocery
stores
on
their
way
home
people
who
will
be
engaged
within.
A
You
know
going
down
the
streets,
Northlight
Theater
after
work
for
something
so
I
I
think
that
that
this
standard
is
met,
number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
A
This
building
dates
back
to
the
1960s
I,
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
If
the
current
owner
was
an
original
owner
or
not,
but
regardless
of
which
the
intervening
50
60
years,
I
I
would
say
that
that
the
person
who's
applying
in
this
particular
case
has
not
created
this
situation
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
feasible
options
identified.
A
A
It's
a
circle,
you
are
all
probably
much
better
at
stem
than
I
am
I.
Was
an
English
major,
but
I
calculate
that
to
actually
be
about
140
square
feet
when
you
take
the
circle
into
account
and
in
terms
of
the
signs
down
on
the
the
monument
signs
on
the
on
the
street.
That
definitely,
you
know,
is
a
place
where
you
want
to
be
able
to
draw
in
traffic
and
again
going
back
to
the
fact
that
we
already
have
several
Monument
signs
here.
A
Asking
people
who
are
in
the
building
to
give
up
their
space
so
that
a
new
tenant
can
move
in
seems
a
little
little
odd
to
me.
So
those
are
my
findings
of
fact.
Is
everyone
in
agreement.
A
Right,
thank
you.
There
were
some
conditions
that
were
discussed.
A
The
ones
I
have
written
down
are
that
it
be
reviewed
by
bird
friendly
Evanston
so
that
they
can
evaluate
anything,
that's
being
done
with
light
lighting,
tiny
timing.
Turning
on
off
those
sorts
of
things
that
they
do
be
dimmable
as
well,
that
if
the
tenant
were
to
or
to
leave
the
property
that
the
signs
would
come
down
and
that
no
additional
tall
building
signs
be
permitted
for
this
particular
property,
were
there
other
conditions.
D
D
Okay
and
then
that
the
applicant
must
use
a
third
party
service
to
certify
the
mounting
and
installation.
A
B
Point
of
clarification,
chair
and
Commissioners.
At
what
point
would
you
prefer
that
the
applicant
have
bird
friendly
Evanston
look
at
the
plans?
Is
it
something
you'd
like
for
the
the
them
to
have
commented
on
prior
to
Planning
and
Development
Committee
in
city
council,
or
is
this
something
you
would
like
for
them
to
do?
Assuming
this
were
to
be
approved
during
the
actual
sign,
permitting
phase.
A
Would
make
the
most
sense
all
right?
Thank
you
so
with
that,
is
there
a
motion
to
be
made
again
reminding
everyone?
We
are
a
recommending
body
in
this
case.
D
Sure
I'll
go
for
it
if
my
voice
holds
out.
I
motion
is
to
for
the
largest
commission
to
recommend
approval
of
the
requested
zoning
relief
to
allow
three
permanent
signs
on
the
property
located
at
1603
Orrington
Avenue
in
the
D3
downtown
Court
District,
with
the
file
with
six
conditions.
D
The
three
suggested
by
my
staff
that
the
tall
building
identification
signs
should
include
dimmer
switches
to
allow
the
illumination
to
be
adjusted.
The
tall
building
identified
identification
science
must
be
turned
off
at
11
PM
daily.
The
applicant
must
use
a
third-party
service
to
certify
mounting
and
installation
is
consistent
with
the
approved
plans
that
the
signs
be
removed
if
the
tenant
leaves
that
no
additional
tall
building
signs
be
allowed
on
this
building
and
number
six.
That
bird
friendly
Evanston
review
and
provide
recommendations
on
the
proposed
tall
building
signs
prior
to
issuance
of
building
permits.
A
B
A
Yes,
with
a
vote
of
six
to
one,
the
motion
carries
and
it
will
move
forward
to
City
council's
Planning
and
Development
Committee
with
a
recommendation
for
approval
and
City
staff
will
work
with
you
on
exactly
when
you'll
be
appearing
before
Council
and
let
you
know
how
to
coordinate
your
review
with
bird
friendly
Evanston
when
that
time
comes.
A
All
right,
so
we
already
have
you
on
the
schedule
for
that,
with
that
we
have
concluded
the
business
we
had.
Is
there
any
communication
from
the
staff.
I
Given
the
discussion
that
was
just
had
about
signage,
is
the
commission
recommend
a
referral
to
revise
anything
within
our
sign
code
that
is
now
in
our
zoning
ordinance
or
our
commissioner
is
comfortable
with
the
way
regulations
are
and
standards
are
my.
A
Personal
preference
would
be
that
we
have
at
least
one
or
two
more
signs
come
our
way.
I
think
this
one
was
a
difficult
one
to
start
with,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
see
what
the
issues
are
and
then
create
a
decision
based
on
that,
whether
things
need
to
be
adapted.
I.
Think,
though,
that
this
is
a
very
unique
situation
for
us
to
be
addressing
okay,.
A
Reminder
to
everyone
that
we
will
be
having
a
special
meeting.
We
will
not
be
meeting
on
the
Wednesday
before
Thanksgiving,
but
we'll
be
meeting
the
week
after
that
to
address
the
special
use
for
the
margarita
Inn.
G
Yeah
I
I
so
I'm
hearing
in
the
news
that
there
has
not
been
an
agreement
between
the
neighbors
and
the
and
the
connections
for
the
homeless
and
I
I.
Just
question
why
we
would
be
reviewing
this
if
that,
if
that
hasn't
happened,
yet
if
there
hasn't
been
an
agreement.
I
Besides
that,
while
the
applicant
is
working
on
a
good
neighbor
agreement,
that
is
not
an
absolute
requirement,
it
could
be
made
a
requirement
as
a
condition
in
the
special
use,
and
it
could
be
a
requirement
that
it
needs
to
be
in
place
by
X
date,
but
there
are
ultimately
three
different
mechanisms
for
regulations
for
for
the
proposed
facility.
The
special
use
is
just
one
of
those
mechanisms,
so
that
does
need
to
proceed
on
I.
D
A
That
will
not
just
be
a
blanket
yeah
recommendation,
anything
else
from
staff.
No
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
will
note
that
if
there
is
a
motion
to
adjourn,
I
will
happily
entertain
such
so.