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From YouTube: Community Budget Workshop #4 - 11/30/09
Description
Held at the Civic Center.
Topic: Synthesis experience and selection of strongest recommendations to present to the City Manager for inclusion in the proposed budget and to the City Council for its deliberations.
A
A
B
Evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
fourth
and
final
budget
workshop.
I
will
say
this
many
times,
but
I'll
start
saying
it
first
right
off
the
bat.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
participating
and
being
involved
in
these
three
one
afternoon
and
three
evenings
of
work.
We've
been
doing,
you've
been
doing
on
the
budget
or.
C
B
Much
appreciate
your
energy
and
effort,
and
this
is
you're
in
the
home
stretch.
This
is
it
for
tonight.
At
the
conclusion
of
this
evening's
meeting,
there
will
be
a
recommendation
from
the
group
that
next
Monday
evening
in
this
very
room
Lynn,
is
your
representative
will
come
up
and
make
a
presentation
to
the
City
Council
at
a
special
meeting
reporting
out
the
results
of
all
of
this.
We
are
working
in
the
meantime
to
continue
to
try
to
get
the
budget
together.
B
The
staff
is
anxiously
awaiting
the
results
of
this
process
so
that
we
can
put
the
final
touches
on
a
budget.
We've
been
working
on
for
several
months
on
the
details
of
which
we
hope
to
have
available
to
our
staff
and
to
the
public
no
later
than
Friday
the
eighteenth
of
December,
and
then
there
will
be
budget
hearings
and
decisions
by
the
City
Council
during
the
months
of
january-february,
with
the
budget
being
adopted,
hopefully
no
later
than
februari
28th
for
the
fiscal
year
starting
March
one.
B
B
We
will
be
showing
all
four
workshops
back-to-back
starting
at
noon,
on
Friday
continuing
24
hours
a
day
through
sunday
at
6pm,
and
the
marathon
will
conclude
with
a
live
Colin
show
at
evanston,
Community
Media
Center,
to
allow
residents
to
provide
feedback
into
ask
any
questions
that
a
column
program,
probably
last
about
an
hour
alive
on
Sunday,
the
sixth
of
December,
beginning
at
6pm.
So
again,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done.
Unless
there's
any
initial
questions,
we'll
give
it
to
Yulin.
D
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening.
Everyone
I
like
to
go
around
the
room
and
ask
each
of
you
to
say
your
name.
I
think
we
have
a
mic
somewhere,
which
has
do
we
not
so
that
we
don't
have
to
use
the
one
with
a
cord
and
then
we'll
bring
that
around
the
room,
and
each
of
you
can
introduce
yourself
and
if
we
don't
have
that
handy
right,
this
minute
we'll
do
something
else
and
then
come
up
with
that.
In
just
a
couple
minutes,
it
seemed
to
have
disappeared.
D
H
K
C
K
D
L
D
Thank
you
again
for
being
here.
It's
really
a
privilege
to
be
in
a
room
with
a
group
of
people
that
voluntarily
gives
their
time
to
make
the
community
a
better
place
and
I.
Think
that
not
only
do
you
all
deserve
a
great
deal
of
gratitude
from
the
rest
of
the
community,
but
also
from
the
staff
and
the
City
Council,
because
these
these
are
difficult
times
difficult
budget
times
and
your
contributions,
your
discernment,
your
willingness
to
simply
reflect
and
and
think
through.
Some
of
the
issues
is,
is
part
of
what
it
takes.
D
It's
very
difficult
at
times
for
people
to
go
along
with
this
idea,
but
reflection
really
is
an
action
step.
Reflection
gives
you
some
opening
a
space
so
that
you
can
actually
let
some
concept
sink
in
and
also
to
let
some
creativity
come
out,
and
so
you
did
that
in
in
the
second
workshop,
and
then
last
time
worked
very
diligently
to
create
some
great
ideas,
so
I'm
going
to
just
go
over
the
process
again
for
you
in
on
november.
D
So
we
have
a
proposed
agenda
today
and,
as
you
will
see,
on
the
green
sheets
in
your
bin,
those
that
is
the
agenda
and
I
marked
it
proposed,
because
I
actually
want
to
go
over
it
with
you
and
get
your
feedback
on
it
as
to
how
I
planned
for
this
are
designed
for
this
experience
to
go
and
make
sure
that
it,
it
seems
to
work
for
you.
So
in
just
a
few
minutes
here
will
be
reviewing
the
quantitative
analysis.
That's
in
the
multi-page
spread
sheet
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
D
We
will
do
that
in
dialogue
with
department
directors
where
needed,
so
they
are
here
in
the
room
willing
to
help
us.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
more
questions
of
clarification
about
the
quantification
of
the
various
ideas
that
we
have
put
forward
after
that
segment.
I'm
calling
this
next
the
following
one
kind
of
a
discernment
process.
D
Will
go
through
a
selection
process
and
then
have
a
conversation
about
the
presentation
of
next
week
and
how
what
kind
of
guidance
you
might
like
to
give
to
me
as
your
spokesperson
at
that
event.
So
that's
the
proposed
agenda
for
the
evening.
I
know
it's
vague,
but
I--.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
go
into
the
details.
We
can
offer,
offer
those
ideas
as
we
go
along
any
questions
or
concerns
about
the
proposed
agenda.
D
Okay,
some
meeting
outcomes
I
would
like
to
go
over
and
see
what
you
think
of
these,
and
the
first
is
to
examine
the
quantitative
analysis
that
the
city
staff
provided
and
then
to
make
some
final
inquiries
of
the
directors.
Then
we'd
like
to
improve
the
universe
of
vision,
options
by
adding
amending
or
removing
items
from
consideration,
selecting
two
to
three
of
the
strongest
recommendations
in
each
of
those
six
categories
that
we
identified
last
time
and
then
ready
for
presentation
to
the
City,
Council
I
hope
that's
doable
if
you're
up
for
it.
D
What
he
was
referring
to
is
there
are
short
charts
near
each
of
the
tables
where
we
might
be
doing
some
of
the
discernment
process
and
offering
the
selections
of
the
universe
of
recommendation
options,
but
we'll
get
to
that
point
a
little
bit
later.
Okay,
so
just
a
few
assumptions:
let's
go
over
quickly.
The
city
must
adopt
a
balanced
budget
for
fiscal
year.
D
2010-2011
projections
showing
an
approximate
budget
deficit
of
eight
to
nine
million
dollars
the
community
and
the
staff
are
focusing
attention
and
creativity
to
identify
the
best
ways
of
creating
a
balanced
budget,
so
we're
looking
for
just
an
equitable
approaches.
Everyone
is
in
it
for
the
right
reasons
and
we
have
definitely.
You
would
have
definitely
committed
your
time
freely
and
your
talent
to
to
doing
this
discernment.
So
we
have
the
six
categories
now
that
have
been
identified:
improved
efficiencies,
changes
to
the
levels
of
service,
cost
containment,
non-tax
revenue
strategies,
general
revenue
strategies
and
any
other
innovations.
D
Okay,
so
this
is
the
opportunity
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
the
document
and
there
is
new
information
on
here.
In
fact,
the
staff
was
working
up
to
today
at
four
thirty.
So
some
of
your
recommendations,
you
may
find
actually
some
additional
staff
recommendations
beyond
those
you
might
have
seen
on
the
website.
D
Did
most
of
you
take
a
look
at
this
on
the
web,
and
so
you
have
some
familiarity
with
the
recommendations
that
and
the
responses
by
staff-
that's
really
very
important
and
we're
looking
to
see
whether
or
not
we
need
to
amend
a
refine
the
these
and
just
a
few
criteria.
We
settled
on
last
time
that
any
additions
should
be
of
short-term
or
long-term
fiscal
benefit
or
make
it
possible
to
decrease
expenditures
or
result
in
increased
revenue.
D
So
many
of
the
things
on
the
spreadsheet
were
kind
of
vague
grand
ideas,
really
good
thoughts,
but
not
quantifiable
and
not
really
meeting
the
test
of
what
can
happen
to
help
us
balance
this
budget.
So
we
will
not
be
voting
on
every
single
item
in
this
multi-page
document,
so
you
have
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
what's
in
here
now
and
we
can
go
through
it
by
category
there's
a
question
Suzanne.
J
D
J
H
With
our
the
city's
tax
bill
at
38
million
dollars,
and
that's
about
twenty
percent
of
your
your
tax
bill
right
now,
so
a
million
dollar
increase
is
going
to
be
about
two
and
a
half
percent
increase
on
that.
So
you
know
that's!
If
you're
looking
at
your
tax
bill
for
I,
don't
know
what
everyone's
tax
bill
is,
but
it's
a
two
and
a
half
percent
increase
to
the
cities,
but
it's
two
and
a
half
percent
of
twenty
percent.
So
it's
only
about
a
half
a
percent
increase
on
the
tax
bill.
M
G
You're
using
a
38
million
dollar
figure
but
I'm
looking
at
the
info
back
out
at
that
Saturday
work,
sub
and
I
think
I'm.
Reading
this
correctly
it
says
property
taxes,
16
million
in
revenue,
okay
and
we're
talking
about
the
general
fund
in
terms
of
this
8
or
9
million
dollar
gap.
Are
we
not
so
you're
talking
38
million,
but
some
of
that's
going
into
other
things?
H
Necessarily
it
will
actually
the
you
are
right.
The
one
way
to
put
it
a
million
dollars
will
have
a
commensurately
larger
impact
on
the
general
fund
deficit,
if
that's,
where
the
City
Council
directs
the
money
to
go
to.
So
if
there's
a
million
dollar
increase
in
the
general
tax
levy,
not
the
police,
pension,
tax
levy,
fire
pension
tax
levy
or
debt
service
levy.
H
G
E
H
Don't
have
what
he's
referring
to
as
the
downtown
to
tiff,
which
is
our
very
first
tip
that
we
did.
Nevin
stan
is
closing
december
31st,
so
we
are
anticipating
somewhere
between
one
and
two
million
dollar
ending
balance
in
the
tip
that
is
scheduled
to
go
/
previous
discussions
with
the
council
to
the
parking
fund
to
pay
on
debt
for
the
sherman
avenue
garage,
which
still
has
multi
million
dollar
debt
service
payments
due
on
it.
So
that's
a
allowable
and
a
good
use
to
pay
that
debt
service
down.
H
We
would
not
be
eligible
to
take
that
surplus
and
use
it
to
balance
the
general
fund.
You
could
do
a
lot
of
transferring
here
there
and
everywhere
to
get
there,
but
I
think
that
that
kind
of
accounting
is
not
where
we
want
to
be
we're.
First,
looking
at
the
whole
service
discussion
that
we're
talking
about
tonight,
so
you
would
normally
if
their
surplus,
it
would
go
to
all
of
the
taxpayers.
So
I
would
say
this:
if
it
stayed
in
a
as
a
million
dollars.
E
H
Not
allowed
to,
we
are
allowed
to
spend
on
operating
expenses
that
would
not
have
been
undertaken
if
the
TIFF
wasn't
there.
So
we
can
have
special
details,
improved
marketing,
a
higher
level
of
streetscape
things
of
that
nature
that
we
wouldn't
have
done
without
the
TIF.
But
I
can't
just
say
that
the
West
evanston
TIFF
is
now
going
to
have
its
police
force
paid
for
out
of
the
TIF
fund.
We
have
to
have
some
kind
of
additional
duties
and
we
have
worked
on
that
very
hard.
K
K
Have
a
two-part
question:
the
first
part
is:
have
you
taken
into
account
the
dramatic
increase
in
tax
revenues
from
this
year's
tax
bills
against
for
last
year,
and
what
that's
going
to
mean
for
next
year
and
the
other
part
of
the
question
is,
and
maybe
the
15
or
20
people
that
I've
talked
to
that
have
appealed
their
their
their
market
value
assessments?
Oh,
we
found
comparable
properties
that
are
selling
for
about
twenty-five
percent,
less
than
the
market
value
that
were
appraised
at
this
year.
So
are
we
taking
into
account
what
will
shake
out?
K
H
I'd
have
to
say,
unfortunately,
yes
and
yes,
so
we
have
taken
into
account
the
increases
that
everyone
saw
on
their
second
installment
this
year
were
those
that
the
buzz
the
tax
levy
approved
in
February
of
2008
budget
levied
last
December
and
now
collected
this
December.
So
there
was
a
seven
yeah,
approximately
a
seven
percent
increase
in
the
city
portion
and
a
four
percent
increase
in
all
of
the
school
portions,
and
then
you
have
reassessments
going
up
and
down
that's
what
created
that
large
stir
recently.
H
As
far
as
future
years
ago,
we
levy
on
a
dollar
basis.
So
if
property
values
do
decrease,
what's
going
to
happen
is.
Is
that
the
rate
that
which
is
currently
our
rate
is
one
point,
two
nine
five
percent?
That
rate
would
jump
if
taxes
I'm
sorry
if
values
went
down
by
twenty-five
percent,
the
rate
would
go
to
1.5
1.6
and
that
we'd
still
collect
the
same
38
million
dollars.
Assuming
that
was
the
direction,
so
the
property
values
don't
impact.
H
K
The
reason
I
ask
that
question
my
colleague
added
up
all
the
numbers
that
you
put
on
this
rebuttal
to
most
of
the
suggestions
and
it
points
out
that
it
only
goes
halfway
in
covering
our
current
debt.
If,
in
fact,
the
City
Council
is
going
to
have
to
raise
taxes
to
raise
the
rate
to
generate
the
same
amount
of
funds,
aren't
they
going
to
have
to
look
at
the
cuts
and
the
kinds
of
efficiencies
that
mostly
have
been
dismissed
in
this
sheet?
K
H
They
would,
if
that
was
where
we
were
at,
but
the
goal
is,
is
between
this
process.
The
staff
suggestions,
the
council
review-
is
to
get
to
that
eight
million
dollar
level.
My
goal
is
not
to
raise
the
property
tax
to
cover
that
eight
million
dollars
so,
for
instance,
there's
not
much
in
here
where
we've
costed
out
layoffs
and
we
are
costing
that
out
and
that
we
have
suggestions
from
this
group,
so
that
will
be
in
a
proposed
budget
where
we
balance.
I
Why
are
we
looking
at
just
one
year?
Why
aren't
we
doing
a
five-year
projection
of
potential
revenues
and
costs?
We
know,
for
instance,
that
the
police
and
fire
pension
funds
are
going
to
have
to
be
increased,
assuming
that
the
state
does
not
delay
the
redemption.
You
know
the
full
amount
necessary
by
2033
I
have
a
rough
calculation.
We've
got
to
put
in
549
million
between
now
and
2030
three,
that
includes
you,
know
the
money
we're
putting
in
now
plus
the
incremental
to
cover
the
deficiency
that
we
have
there.
H
Two
things
our
goal
for
the
general
fund
operating
is
that
the
cuts
we
make
the
changes
based
on
what
you've
given
us
will
be
long
term.
They
will
be
ongoing
where
our
goal
is
not
to
have
one-time
revenues,
sale
of
property
transfer,
etc
to
cover
and
then.
Secondly,
the
pension
funds
are
an
issue
that
the
city
is
committed
to
and
it
will
be
a
balancing
act
every
year,
but
as
we
related
in
September,
we
do
have
a
plan
for
the
next
30
years
and
what
it
will
cost.
B
M
H
There
were
a
couple
of
blanks
in
there
and
when
we
get
to,
if
we
didn't
want
to
go
through
those
until
we
exhausted
everything,
but
in
some
of
the
blanks
it's
an
ongoing
process,
so
some
of
them
were
general
questions.
So
I
was
just
going
to
say
a
few
syllables
about
those
answers,
but
I
want
to
didn't
want
to
get
in
the
way
of.
H
Okay
for
the
very
first
question
regarding
with
the
Commission's
boards
and
commissions,
we
have
already
identified
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
actual
hard
dollar
staff
costs,
and
that's
just
from
three
reporting
departments
that
cover
a
multitude
of
commissions,
but
it
is
over.
A
hundred
thousand
dollars
will
get
that
memo
posted
as
quickly
as
possible.
It's
actually
going
to
be
many
memos.
Excuse
me
and
we're
consolidating
right
now.
H
The
for
the
boards
and
commissions,
the
question
was:
how
much
do
we
spend
on
supporting
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions,
so
we've
begun
that
process
and
we
have
already
identified
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
minute
taking
time
staff
time,
research,
time,
agenda,
preparation
time,
all
of
those
things
that
are
done
by
staff
in
support
of
the
Commission's.
So
what
I
said
was
we'll
get
a
consolidated
memo
that
identifies
all
of
the
rest
of
them.
It's
still
just
I
have
a
few
departments
to
go,
but
there
are
substantial
costs
for
the
boards
and
commissions.
H
I
beckel
when
question
was
to
identify
how
much
cost
we
had
and
some
of
the
things
could
be.
Do
we
have
more
volunteerism
in
staffing,
the
boards
and
commissions?
We
have
a
very
great
resource
in
these
public
bodies,
so
before
I
call
into
question
the
efficiency
of
them.
I'd
want
to
look
at
it
overall.
The
question
was,
though,
just
how
much
do
we
spend,
but.
L
H
H
We
had
the
question
12
in
the
first
set,
asked
lobbying
groups
to
prioritize
demands,
and
it
says
cogs
that
stands
for
council
government
and
the
Northwest
municipal
conference
is
our
local
council
of
government
and
they
do
have
a
prioritized
agenda.
Setting
for
the
lobbying
efforts
at
Springfield.
As
the
council
pointed
out,
we
do
want
to
step
that
up.
That
needs
to
be
even
more
aggressive,
the
other
one
number
10,
which
noted,
considers
shared
services,
school
city,
accounting,
technology,
building
services.
H
We
had
a
fairly
generic
answer
there,
but
when
you
start
to
look
at
what
happens,
if
we
have
a
shared
accounts
payable
a
shared
payroll
as
shared
two
or
three
technology
individuals,
the
savings
could
be
five
hundred
thousand
million
dollars.
That
would
be
split
amongst
all
of
the
groups,
because
we
will
have
to
have
somebody
someplace
still
doing
the
activities
and
that
would
take
intergovernmental
agreements
and
some
training,
because
we
don't
share
software
right
now.
C
D
H
B
Me
just
add:
this
is
a
real
process.
Folks,
there's
no
budget
document
anywhere
until
this
process
is
done,
and
so
I
want
to
hear
from
you
all
you
have
we've
finished
tonight
will
present
to
the
Council
on
the
7th
the
budgets
due
by
December
31.
So
as
far
as
you
know,
what
we're
going
to
take
whatever
you
have,
if
everything
that
this
group
submits
is
worth
12
million
dollars,
then
you've
made
my
life
really
easy.
C
B
C
H
C
H
The
contract
we
have
right
now
is
the
sergeant's
contract
and
we
have
the
Teamsters,
which
is
for
the
police.
Bargaining
unit,
is
still
in
negotiations
for
last
March.
First,
so
that's
going
to
arbitration,
and
so
we
have
the
f's
me
american
federation
of
state
County,
Municipal
Employees,
and
we
have
the
fire
union.
Those
are
up
for
the
march
first
2010.
H
H
Just
on
that
same
page,
while
you're
there,
the
13
right
below
that
we
had
job
reductions
based
on
performance
reviews
that
can
be
considered
in
our
non-bargaining
areas.
However,
on
the
bargaining
unit
side,
that's
really
governed
by
the
contract,
which
I
think
in
all
cases
is
seniority
driven
and
then
the
next
one
14
just
one
correction
on
the
defer
merit
increases.
The
two
million
dollars
is
for
merit
and
cost
of
living
apologize,
so
that
should
say
you'd
put
co.
H
N
Question
over
here,
so
one
of
it
seems
like
if
we're
going
to
get
any
cost
savings,
most
of
its
going
to
have
to
come
from
reducing
the
number
of
employees,
because
personnel
costs
are
obviously
the
the
largest
part
of
the
budget,
and
one
of
the
larger
areas
is
parks
and
recreation.
So
they
do
lots
of
different
things
and
it
might
be
helpful
to
think
about.
Well.
If
we
had
less
people,
then
what
are
we
not
going
to?
What
is
the
city
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
so?
N
For
example,
if
the
city
decided
that
residents
are
responsible
for
the
parkway
trees
and
the
city
is
not
going
to
do
anything
with
them,
for
example,
I
mean.
Is
it
possible
to
quantify
this?
Is
it
possible
to
figure
out
if
we
drop
down
three
employees
or
whatever,
what
we're
going
to
have
to
give
up
in
terms
of
the
services?
Can
you
give
us
any
direction
in
that,
and
now.
H
And
we,
actually,
this
has
been
a
subject
that
has
come
back
and
forth
to
the
council.
Was
it
dug
about
seven
or
eight
years
we
went
ago
we
went
to
the
a
shorter
time
frame
on
pruning
and
maintenance
of
the
trees,
because,
if
you
think
back
eight
or
nine
years
ago,
we
had
ice
storms
and
you
had
whole
trees
and
everything
down
everywhere.
H
So
we
went
to
a
smaller
cycle
to
help
prevent
that
catastrophic,
clean
up
where
you'd
spend
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
on
the
cleanup
and
not
to
mention
potential
loss
of
life
and
property
damage
from
it
could
be
Parkway,
trees,
damaging
private
residences,
etc.
When
when
they
do
go
down,
but
yes,
short
answer,
you
can
quantify
that.
You
can
say
what
happens
if
we
change
our
cycle
back
to
a
longer
duration.
What
happens
if
we
quit?
Is
that
a
request
that
you'd
like
to
see
how
much
we
spend
on
forestry
dollars.
H
H
There
are
some
exceptions:
if
we
have
a
retired
police
chief
who
comes
here
to
work,
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
in
one
because
they've
already
been
covered
by
another
city's
pension
plan,
but
for
the
most
part,
everybody's
covered
under
those
three
plans.
I
think
the
the
defined
contribution
that
you
see
running
through
here.
That's
something
that's
gaining
steam,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
and
it
may
be
that
bifurcated
plan
that.
K
H
After
this
date
is
in
the
new
plan
hired
before
is
not
that
will
have
a
huge
impact.
I
know
some
folks
will
take.
Well,
that's
not
going
to
be
a
big
impact
that
will
have
a
huge
impact
in
our
police
and
fire
unfunded
liability
every
single
year
that
liability
will
drop
off
of
its
own
accord,
as
we
start
to
have
more
people
in
defined
contribution
and
less
in
defined
benefit.
So
it's
not
just
that.
Oh
that's
going
to
take
care
of
the
new
ones.
L
D
B
F
Think
it's
number
50
the
northwestern
university
issue
on
page
13
and
I.
Think
northwestern
was
brought
up
a
number
of
times
in
the
prior
workshops.
All
we've
been
told.
Is
it
the
mayor
and
city
manager
are
negotiating
with
Northwestern,
but
what
exactly
is
happening?
Because
you
know
they've
got
a
5.6
billion
dollar
endowment.
The
president
gets
paid
one
point:
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars
annually.
F
B
B
They
continue.
The
mayor
and
I
have
met
with
the
president,
Shapiro
and
mr.
sunshine
on
a
couple
different
occasions
and
have
additional
meetings
scheduled
we're
going
to
continue
to
try
to
bring
as
many
resources
as
we
can
again.
The
purpose
of
these
workshops,
if
you
think
that's
one
of
the
three
six
nine
things
that
you
want
to
recommend
to
the
council,
there'd
be
special
emphasis
on
then
that's
a
an
appropriate
recommendation.
If
you
so
choose.
E
Marie
you
had
said
in
here:
I
can't
remember,
which
page
to
keep
open
a
howard
street
outreach
post.
Do
we
rent
our
own,
that
anybody
know
okay
and
then
I'm
happy
to
see
actually
that
on
page
15
number
seven
file
for
bankruptcy
that
the
staff
took
that
seriously,
and
it
says
that
the
the
city's
current
financial
condition
may
require
filing
of
a
bankruptcy
petition
and
also
the
effect
that
would
have
on
perhaps
labor
agreements.
That's
kind
of
interesting
to
read
and
then.
B
E
B
N
Let
me
sorry
yeah
one
of
the
things
that
was
discussed
about
federal
funds
and
we
have
things
like
shovel
ready
projects.
I,
don't
know
how
much
money
is
left
in
the
federal
stimulus
plan.
But
to
what
extent
can
the
city
cut
back
on
its
budget
for
fixing
roads,
for
example,
and
instead
rely
more
upon
the
federal
monies
for
that
another
way
of
stretching
out
like
trees
and
trimming?
You
can
also
stretch
out
dealing
with
the
roads,
and
I
was
wondering.
B
And
again,
that
crater
well
be
an
appropriate
recommendation.
If
the
group
so
chooses
I
think
the
practical
application
of
is
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
There
are
currently
no
other
road
projects
through
the
stimulus
available.
That
was
a
one
cycle
deal
and
so
thats
has
not
done.
We
continue
to
have
what
you
would
call
shovel
ready
projects
ready
to
go.
Should
that
come
to
pass,
because
we
continue
to
look
at
road
infrastructure
as
well
as
specifically
water
and
sewer
infrastructure.
B
So
if
those
things
were
too
Pass,
we
could
do
that
if
the
council
chooses
to
halt
all
capital
funding,
that
is
something
they
could
choose
to
do,
and
then
you
know
shift
that
money
into
other
things
generally
been
uses
one-time
monies,
but
certainly
could
be
used
as
a
for
ongoing
expensive.
So
if
that
was
the
will
of
the
council
on.
H
The
water
side
we
were
able
to,
if
you
recall
last
year
at
this
time
we
had
a
capital
planning
meeting,
noting
that
we
should
be
seriously
considering
a
rate
increase
and
that
was
deferred
until
this
year
because
of
lower
pumping
the
ARRA
and
other
federal
funding,
combined
with
no
staff.
Looking
at
staging
projects
a
little
differently.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
take
the
privilege
of
the
facilitator
for
a
moment.
I
can't
find
where
this
is
located,
but
there
was
a
recommendation
in
here
that
was
rather
vague,
but
it
said,
use
utilize,
greater
volunteers
or
more
volunteers
and
more
interns
and
the
staff
response
related
to
partnership
with
schools
and,
obviously,
when
we
think
of
internships,
we
do
think
of
people
in
training
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
D
But
there
are
also
the
potential
I
think
exists
for
volunteerism
that
isn't
necessarily
youth
or
people
in
training,
but
people
who
adults,
people
who
are
talented
and
capable
who
can
fulfill
certain
things
and
there
was
a
reference
somewhere
about
utilizing,
those
in
the
libraries
etc.
I
wanted
to
pose
a
question
to
the
department
director
and
perhaps
whoever
has
microphone
portable
microphone
can
be
handy
for
this
to
see
if
any
of
the
department
directors
have
contemplated.
D
Util
utilization
of
a
volunteer
corps
I
mean
clearly
within
the
police
area.
We
have
the
citizen
Academy,
and
that
is
a
very
important
and
very
very
critical
aspect
of
volunteerism
that
that
is
adjunct
to
the
police
department.
Are
there
other
departments
or
is
there
any
anyone
else
in
the
department
directors
that
might
be
able
to
speak
to
the
potential
for
volunteers.
D
I
O
D
Let's
bring
that
up
in
our
conversation
at
our
tables
coming
up
right
now,
okay,
so
this
would
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
some
work
together
again
in
groups
these.
There
are
many
pages,
especially
the
cost.
Containment
category
has
many
many
pages
of
ideas.
What
I'd
like
us
to
be
able
to
do
is
to
record
in
on
flip
charts,
and
I
gave
you
templates
to
start
with
for
every
category
to
record
those
things
that
you
want
to
see
voted
upon.
D
The
way
the
templates
are
set
up
is
that
you
would
enter
in
the
large
horizontal
rectangle
the
idea,
let's
just
say,
the
solid
waste
proposal
by
the
way
I
want
to
reference
the
several
documents
that
were
addenda
to
this
and
that
are
referenced
in
this
there's
a
copy
of
each
one
of
those
in
the
bin
on
your
table.
Let's
just
say
the
option
be
in
the
solid
waste
document.
Is
something
that
people
want
to
see
voted
on?
D
You
would
put
that
in
the
large
horizontal
box
on
the
flip
chart
in
the
category
it
falls
in
which
I
think
is
cost
containment,
but
I'm
not
positive
about
where
that
which
category
that's
in
and
then
later
on.
When
we
have
that
list,
we're
going
to
cast
votes
and
everyone
will
get
a
certain
number
of
dots
and
you
will
be
able
to
express
your
viewpoint
about
whether
or
not
what
are
the
top
items
in
each
category
that
you
support.
Yes,
Mary
Beth.
Could
we
have
a
microphone
for
her?
Thank.
L
D
D
Someone
asked
well,
is
the
category
that's
near
near
my
table,
the
one
that
I
should
work
with
and
I
would
suggest
that
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
start,
and
then
you
ought
to
feel
free
to
make
sure
that
the
ideas
you
think
need
to
be
expressed
are
on
the
flip
chart
that
is
connected
with
that
category,
but
I
think
to
prevent
complete
and
sheer
chaos.
Why
don't
we
give
it
10
minutes
and
each
group
take
your
flipchart
and
work
on
that
and
will
up
and
take
a
break
and
see
how
did
that
go?