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A
All
right,
the
meeting
is
now
being
recorded
just
for
the
recording.
We
just
took
the
vote
on
the
minutes
and
approved
it
unanimously.
We
called
the
meeting
to
order
with
council
member
burns
myself
and
councilman
bernie
smith,
okay,
saying
that
there
is
no
public
comment.
That
brings
us
to
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
matthew.
I
may
have
a
motion
for
that
item.
B
Yeah,
so
this
is
just
intended
to
be
an
opportunity
for
the
folks
at
deliberation
works
to
kind
of
share.
What
they're
planning
to
do
and
hoping
to
do
so.
Go
ahead.
Doctor
easter
day.
C
And
before
we
start
is
there
any,
I
didn't
see
any
link
or
packet
in
the
on
the
committee
landing
page.
Is
there
anything
we
can
use
to
follow
along
or
should
we
just
take
notes.
D
Great
and
I'll,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
send
that
presentation
afterward
if
you
need
it.
So
thank
you,
council,
members,
reed
and
burns
and
misma
for
having
us.
Today.
We
had
a
great
chat
with
deputy
manager,
stoneback
and
matt
last
week
about
what
we
understood
you
guys
want
for
pb
and
the
technical
assistance
we
can
provide.
D
So
what
we
wanted
to
do
today
is
just
kind
of
go
over
who
we
are
what
we
think
the
milestones
of
pbr,
what
technical
assistance
we
can
provide
just
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
what
you
want
us
to
do,
and
then
I
have
a
few
points
about
developing
an
inclusive
process
and
some
of
the
current
risks.
So
that
was
about
20
minutes.
Does
that
sound
good
for
today
or
yep
cool.
B
D
There
should
be
plenty
of
time,
so
if
you
want
to
interrupt
or
tell
us
to
go
faster
and
go
slower,
please
feel
free,
okay,
so
first
off
who
we
are
so
we're
part
of
the
delta
lab,
which
is
the
biggest
interdisciplinary
research
lab
at
northwestern
and
we've
also
done
a
software
spin-off
called
forge
works
for
our
educational
technology
work.
The
deliberation
works
team
is
the
subpart
of
delta
lab
that
does
open
democracy
work.
So
that
includes
me.
D
I
study
open
democratic
platforms
in
education,
christine
who
does
design
of
open
democratic
processes
and
technologies.
She's,
formerly
from
pew
research
center
gus
does
he's
a
computer
scientist
who
does
online
platforms
for
outreach
and
facilitation.
D
He's
also
happens
to
be
from
brazil,
the
birthplace
of
pb
and
morgan
who's,
been
analyzing,
deliberative
events
and
has
done
a
deliberative
processes
for
the
government
of
taiwan
around
energy
policy.
So
some
of
our
previous
projects
that
we
have
been
technical
assistance
on
are
the
next
generation
illinois
platform.
So
this
was
crowdsourcing
policy
ideas
from
700
young
people
across
illinois.
This
was
about,
oh,
I
think,
six
years
ago,
or
so
so.
D
This
is
very
much
like
the
idea
collection
phase
from
pb,
so
they
we
did
this
about
30
different
caucuses
across
illinois
with
about
700
young
people.
So
we
designed
the
some
of
the
facilitation,
the
online
platform
for
idea,
collection
and
the
sort
of
educational
materials
for
that.
D
D
This
was
similar
to
pb
in
that
there's,
a
idea,
collection,
phase,
a
proposal,
development
phase
and
a
voting
phase,
but
it's
done
with
random
samples
of
the
community,
so
they
would
meet
for
four
full
days,
a
group
of
about
40
people
and
then,
rather
than
vote
on
a
budget
they
would
per,
they
would
give
their
recommendations
to
council
which
did
implement
a
number
of
them
more
recently,
we've
also
done
deliberations
with
within
northwestern,
so
we've
designed
and
implemented
a
about
a
one
and
a
half
year
process
to
create
a
craft
school
certificate
program
which
received
genomic
support
from
faculty
across
four
schools
which,
if
you're
familiar
with
university
politics,
is
a
minor
miracle
and
then
more
of
our
day-to-day
work
is
on
open
democracy,
research.
D
So
we've
done
a
lot
of
design
of
open
democratic
processes,
including
outreach
idea,
collection
proposal,
development
polling
and
voting.
We
develop
online
platforms,
we've
led
a
number
of
r
d
projects
and
have
worked
with
a
variety
of
partners,
including
maybe.
D
Oh,
I'm
sorry
face
to
face
yeah,
so
gus
has
been
doing
some
really
cool
work
with
there's
some
new
methods
of
deep
canvassing.
So
these
are
rather
than
do
like
a
you
know,
a
two-minute
kind
of
like
here's.
My
talking
points
at
the
door.
You
do
a
longer
like
you
know,
15
20,
minute
conversation
about
what
people's
priorities
are,
so
he's
found
that
he
can
really
increase
the
amount
of
willingness
to
sign
up
for
events.
D
If
you
have
these
deep
conversing
conversations
and
he's
developed
some
kind
of
prototypes
for
doing
that,
so
it's
really
neat
work.
I'm
we
could.
I
could
spend
a
few
more
hours
talking
about
that.
If
you
want
to
yeah
so
then
we
work
with
a
number
of
partners
like
roosevelt
institute
design
for
america,
california,
department
of
ed
and
california,
mathematics,
project
for
excellence
and
equity,
and
then
some
of
the
other
things
we
bring
are
a
lot
of
training
and
curriculum
development,
which
is
important
for
doing
pb.
D
The
first
time
recruiting
student
volunteers
there's
a
lot
of
university
partners,
I
think,
would
be
interested
in
helping
out
and
then,
of
course,
like
campus
facilities
and
grants
and
so
on.
So
this
is
a
little
background
about
who
we
are,
but
what
I
want
to
spend
most
of
time
talking
about
is
just
how
the
pb
process
works
and
the
parts
where
we
think
we
can
be
helpful
at
it
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
really
understanding
the
rfp
well
and
doing
what
you
you
need
us
to
do.
D
So.
Here's
like
the
rough
pb
timeline
so
we're
currently
in
the
planning
phases.
But
then
you
do
design
outreach
idea,
collection
proposal,
development,
voting
and
evaluation.
D
So
in
the
planning
phase,
where
we
are
right
now,
there's
three
big
goals,
so
one
is
allocating
funding
for
pb
in
evanston.
You,
you
all,
have
done
kind
of
an
amazing
job
in
getting
a
really
good
size
pot
of
money.
The
average
across
pbs
in
the
us
is
only
about
a
million.
So
this
is
a
really
great
starting
point
for
pb.
D
Pb
staff,
the
former
aldermen
and
the
pbp
project
documents
say
that
you
really
need
two
full-time
staff
to
implement
pb
and
that's
because
the
staff
do
a
ton
of
the
the
leadership
on
it.
So
everything
from
design
and
outreach
to
serving
as
the
interface
between
government
and
volunteers
for
proposal
development
and
then
facilitating
the
different
events
there's
also
implementation
costs.
So,
in
addition
to
the
staff,
pbp
recommends
about
one
dollar
per
resident
for
the
implementation
cost
of
running
all
these
different
events.
D
So
that's
kind
of
like
the
last
big
decision
I
think
to
make
before
going
forward
with
pb
once
that's
made,
though,
then
we
get
into
the
design
phase,
which
takes
about
three
to
six
months
depending
on
how
you
do
it.
So
the
goals
of
this
phase
are,
you
know,
forming
the
steering
committee,
this
representative
of
evanston
writing
a
rule
book
that
sets
the
guidelines
and
then
recruiting
and
training
the
outreach
workers.
D
So
for
the
rule
book
design,
you
know
some
of
the
big
questions
are
going
to
be
like
project
criteria
like
what's
arpa
eligible
go
ahead.
I
had.
C
Give
me
one
second,
so
where
am
I
equine
or
no?
No,
okay.
Are
we
good
on
the
money
side
of
things
so
you
broke
down.
You
know
what
good
pb
programs
have
in
terms
of
funding.
Are
we
good
in
every
area?
I
know
you
talked
about
in
some
areas
we're
strong,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
checked
all
these
boxes
off.
Are
we
good
in
every
category.
D
My
understanding
is
that
there
hasn't
been
money
allocated
for
pb
staff
and
when
we
talked
with
the
deputy
manager
last
week
and
matt
orrin,
I
understood
that
there's
not
staff
kind
of
sitting
around
able
to
do
the
the
things
that
are
required
to
manage
the
process
so
and
matt's
been
doing
a
lot
of
what
the
pv
manager
would
do
now.
But
my
understanding
is
he's
in
a
part-time
position
and
then
you
don't
have
kind
of
the
the
second
person
for
that.
The
the
ways
that
they
different
cities
have
have
allocated.
D
This
is
like
having
like
a
pb
manager
coordinator,
then
having
a
second
person,
who's,
either
kind
of
does
community
coordination
or
pb
assistant,
and
then
you
have
a
few
other,
like
staff
who
are
spending
a
little
bit
of
their
time,
providing
logistical
support.
E
B
F
Right
but
but
you
still
need
to
staff,
you
still
need
two
full-time
staff
to
do
to
do
what
we're
doing
right
now
yeah
and
we
do
not
have
two
full-time
staff
members
and,
as
matt
indicated
earlier,
a
lot
of
the
work
for
the
pb
manager
will
be
night
meetings
weekend
meetings
and
things
like
that
to
me.
That's
a
position
that
we
would,
the
city
staff
would
have
to
hire.
The
city
will
hire
somebody
to
be
that
that
manager,
and
then
the
acute
community
engagement
coordinator
is
another
position
that
we
don't
have
that
we
should.
F
A
F
Yeah
we
can
hire
somebody,
you
know
for
for
a
term
the
duration
of
this,
and
I
think
it's
more
than
six
months,
but
that
is
one
option
as
well,
but
then
you
get
a
I
yes,
I
would
assume
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
but
then
you
get
a
lit,
a
smaller
pool
because
people
want
to
find
full-time
jobs,
not
just
a
contractor
type
of
work.
So.
G
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
do
have
an
administration,
a
budget
for
administering
arpa
overall
and
have
not
yet
used
much
of
that
budget,
and
you
know,
managing
or
having
you
know,
working
out.
Participatory
budgeting
was
included
as
one
of
the
things
within
that
budget.
So
I
think
that
we
can
be
look
to
using
some
of
those
funds
that
are
already
allocated
for
managing
arpa
yeah.
F
E
Yeah,
my
inclination
would
be
to
just
hire
a
consultant
to
do
this,
since
it's
a
one-time,
project-based
thing,
you
know
intermediate
term
really
whatever
makes
sense,
whether
it's
a
consultant
or
somebody
who's
on
the
city
payroll
for
a
period
of
time,
yeah.
A
E
Rather
than
process
are
the
most
important
thing.
A
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
I'll
say
that
I
support
yes,
hiring
a
consultant.
I
also
do
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
someone
who's
on
staff,
and
we
know
that
you
know
campaigns
are
seasonal
and
there
are
plenty
of
people
who
work
on.
You
know,
campaigns
and
have
experience,
doing
community
outreach
specifically
and
engaging
with
residents
and
running
operations.
This
is
you
know.
A
Participatory
budgeting
is
going
to
be
very
similar
to
running
a
campaign
in
the
kind
of
outreach
that
we
need
to
do
to
get
the
folks
that
we
want
involved,
and
so
I
think
those
are
the
kind
of
people
who
would
be
happy
to
take
a
six-month
job,
particularly
right
after,
if
we,
you
know,
started
that
position
in
november
or
somewhere
around
that
time.
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
time
for
those
people
to
take
those
jobs
and
you
know
be
qualified
to
do
it.
B
C
And
just
so,
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
more
about
this,
but
just
to
to
put
it
nice
and
plain:
where
does
matt
your
organization
fit
into
all
of
this.
D
Yeah
I'll
go
way
more
into
detail,
so
what
we
understood
from
the
scope
of
work
is
that
we
would
be
doing
kind
of
the
technical
assistance
role.
So
a
lot
of
that's
like
planning
the
facilitation,
the
workshops
and
things
like
that.
One
thing
that
we'll
do
that
that
was
not
necessarily
in
the
the
normal
kind
of
rfp
that
pvp
would
do
would
be
to
do
some
actual
facilitation
and
training
face-to-face
because,
usually
when
you
hire
the
consultants,
they're
they're,
not
from
here,
so
they
can't
actually
do
that.
D
D
Yeah,
so
so
a
lot
of
of
pb-
and
I
will
get
into
it-
are-
are
running
these
different
events
and
making
sure
like
the
facilitation
is
good.
So
a
lot
of
what
we
can
provide
is
designing
the
facilitation
guides,
and
one
thought
you
know
depends
a
little
bit
on
how
the
pb
manager
will
want
to
do
it.
D
But
one
thought
we
had
is
like
you
know:
we
can
run
a
model
event
design
all
the
materials
all
the
facilitation
guides
bring
in
all
the
people
who
will
facilitate
other
events
to
observe
it
and
then
do
kind
of
like
an
additional
training
with
those
facilitators,
so
we're
doing
both
an
event
and
a
training
of
trainers
at
the
same
time
yeah.
So
we
can
then
get
other
people
to
be
able
to
run
the
amount
of
events
that
we
want
to
do.
D
Oh
yeah,
no,
no!
I,
I
think
your
questions
are
more
important,
so,
like
please
like
interrupt
whenever
whenever
you
got
one
and
then
okay,
so
then
that
brings
us
to
the
design
phase,
and
so
this
will
be.
You
know.
The
main
thing
here
is
getting
a
good
steering
committee,
which
presumably
most
of
you
or,
if
not
all
of
you
would
be
on,
but
then
also
having
like
community
partners
to
decide
like
what
are
the
rules
of
the
process.
D
One
great
thing
is
that
we
do
have
some
great
examples
of
of
rule
books
already
so
the
pb
chicago
book,
a
real
book,
is
really
good.
The
ny
city
one's
like
similar
but
has
like
some
different
ideas
about
eligibility
and
voting.
So
we
have
some
good
examples
to
work
off
of
for
that.
The
main
question
for
us
is
like
who
needs
to
be
on
the
committee
to
represent,
especially
under
resource
people
in
evanston,
the
way
they
did
it
in
the
first
rogers
park
pb.
Was
they
basically
recruited?
D
You
know
everyone
like
community
organizations,
leaders,
faith-based
organizations,
business
civic
groups,
so
they
got
about
75
people
in
a
room
about
40
of
them
agreed
to
be
on
the
stream
committee
and
about
12
of
them
did
the
heavy
lifting
of
designing
the
the
rule
book.
Now
that
was
the
first
time
they
were
doing
this
from
scratch,
with
no
examples,
but
that's
sort
of
how
they
got.
You
know
a
good
representation
there.
D
D
You
know
revising
it
year
to
year,
not
developing
it
from
scratch,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
more
like
that
kind
of
situation,
presumably,
and
then
so
what
we
could
do
there
is
like
draft
the
rule
book
draft
the
project
plans,
evaluation
plans,
develop
the
evaluation
surveys
and
instruments
and
then
assist
with
the
facilitation
of
that.
D
So
that's
what
we
understood
was
needed
from
us
at
that
point
and
then,
in
terms
of
like
our
expertise
like,
like,
I
said,
we've
designed
a
bunch
of
deliberative
processes
before
we
do
research
on
large
group
decision
making
and
we've
served
as
technical
assistance
on
these
other
open
democracy
projects.
So
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
doing
that
part
of
it
and
then
the
next
phase
is
outreach.
A
lot
of
pb
material
doesn't
talk
about
this,
but
it's
absolutely
critical,
so
the
sort
of
heuristic
is.
D
You
want
to
start
outreach
about
two
or
three
months
ahead
of
time
of
idea,
collection,
kind
of
on
average.
You
want
to
shoot
for
getting
200
people
to
these
idea,
collection
events,
and
so
you
know
you'll
you'll
be
familiar
with
all
the
outreach
methods.
It's
you
know
print.
Everyone
does
print
and
digital
marketing,
so
email
blast,
social
media
website.
D
D
The
research
shows
that
this
works
really
well,
but
a
lot
of
cities
and
municipalities
it's
expensive,
so
they
don't
end
up
doing
a
lot
of
it.
So
I
think
one
of
the
tricks
is
going
to
be
trying
to
figure
out,
like
you
know,
what's
the
good
balance
of
like
what
we
have
the
resources
to
do
and
what's
going
to
get
make
this
a
really
inclusive,
equitable
process.
D
So,
at
the
very
least
I
think
digital
marketing
and
and
reaching
out
to
communities
organizations
but
also
seeing
like
how
far
can
we
get
with
the
the
face-to-face
outreach
for
that
we
can
develop
again.
Training
guides
do
training
of
trainers.
A
D
I
think
there's
you
know
if
you,
if
you
calculate
the
cost
of
of
just
normal,
get
out
the
door
door
knocking,
I
think
the
on
average
you
get
like.
I
think
it's
something
like
16
doors
per
hour.
If
you
do
the
deep
canvassing
stuff
that
gus
has
been
doing
is
it's
way
lower?
It's,
like
you,
know,
half
of
that
at
best,
so
we've
had
good
luck
with
you
know,
doing
a
combination
of
tabling
and
deep
canvassing.
So,
like
one
one
strategy,
that's
kind
of
in
between
is
to
go
to.
D
You
know
like
big
events,
where
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
and
then
do
the
face-to-face
outreach
there.
But
then
you
also
always
have
the
backup
of
the
you
know
the
the
flyering
and
and
kind
of
mail
drops
and
things
like
that
and
the
council
member
reed.
I
think
you
were
you're
going
to
say
something.
A
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add
for
council
member
burns
and
I
have
back
backgrounds
as
consultants
that
this
might
be
something
that
we
might
be
well
suited
to
to
help
cost
out.
You
know
looking
at
what
does
it
cost
to
you
as
someone
who's
literally
run
a
mayoral
race?
You
know
the
last
turn
or
we're
part
of
the
field
team
of
the
mayoral
race
last
term,
and
you
know
both
of
us
consulting.
So
I
think
this
is
something
this
committee
can
figure
out.
A
You
know
what
the
approximate
cost
for
running.
Essentially
the
city-wide
get
out.
The
vault
campaign
would
be
yeah.
C
C
C
The
the
door
to
door
face
to
face
really
makes
the
difference,
and-
and
I
think
we
should
do
it
so
that's
why
I
wanted
to
specifically
call
our
attention
to
what
it
would
cost
to
have
face-to-face
conversations.
C
You
know
I
would
say
throughout
evanston,
but
certainly-
and
if
we
didn't
have
the
budget
for
that,
certainly
in
certain
target
areas
we
should.
We
should
do
face-to-face
deep.
C
A
G
Another
thing
is
our
youth
services
program,
my
city,
your
city,
our
city,
and
it
might
be
something
that
some
of
those
young
people
could
be
engaged
in,
which
would
be
really
positive,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
is
connect
them
to
everything,
and
we
also
have
a
couple
organizations
that
I
mean
a
couple
of
years
ago
when
we
were
trying
to
do
much
more
face-to-face
or
outreach
to,
especially
in
our
under-resourced
parts
of
our
community.
G
D
That's
awesome:
I'm
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
the
interest
in
doing
the
face-to-face
outreach
yeah
so
and
that's
something
yeah.
So
we
can
help.
Also,
with
the
training
of
that-
and
I
think,
there's
a
number
of
of
northwestern
students
and
partners,
we
could
bring
in
to
help
staff
that
I
hope,
okay.
So
then,
then
we
get
into
the
pb
process
proper.
So
the
first
part
of
that
is
idea
collection.
So
that
can
go
about
one
to
two
months.
The
roughly
the
goals
are
to
get.
D
You
know
you
want
to
get
at
least
200
residents
to
come
into
these
events,
learn
about
pb,
collect
about
10
ideas
across
six
assemblies
and
get
about
30
budget
delegates.
I
think
in
edmonton
we
can
get
more,
but
these
are
kind
of
averages
across
processes,
so
in
pv
chicago
they
aim
for
about
five
events.
D
Two
events
specifically
for
underrepresented
groups,
which
could
be
you
know,
depends
on
the
community,
but
that
could
be
like
youth
or
non-english
speakers
or
whatever,
and
then
they
also
do
targeted
events
with
like
specific
partners
like
councilman
burns,
who
are
saying
about,
like
you
know,
we
want
to
reach
out
to
people
that,
like
we
need
to
spend
extra
effort
to
get
to
these
assemblies
at
the
idea
collection
event,
you
introduce
the
pb
process,
brainstorm
ideas.
Most
importantly,
you're
asking.
D
D
Yeah
that-
and
this
is
an
average
across
like
so
this
is,
I
think
they
did
this
study
in
2016,
and
so
they
looked
at
like,
I
think,
there's
about
45
or
so
different
processes
running
in
the
us
and
canada
at
that
time,
and
they
said
like
on
average,
they
do
about
six,
that's
pretty
consistent
with
chicago
that
tries
to
do
five
in
each
each
ward,
and
so,
like
that's
kind
of
a
good
benchmark
for
us.
D
You
know
we
could,
I
think,
try
to
do
a
lot
more
because
we
have
like
a
really
active,
like
kind
of
community
in
evanston.
So
this
is
just
a
rough
kind
of
guess,
but
in
the
in
the
the
rule
book
development
phase,
the
steering
committee
would
decide
like,
what's
our
minimum
number,
how
many
of
these
are
going
to
be
like
targeted
events,
how
many
are
going
to
be
open
in
the
general
public
when
and
where
they're
going
to
happen?
D
D
D
Yeah
so
then,
again,
we'd
help
write
the
the
facilitation
guide.
I
think
we
could
run
some
like
a
model
event
and
then
do
the
training
of
trainers
at
that
event.
So
we
would
invite,
like
our
cbo
partners,
to
come
into
that,
learn
how
to
do
it
and
then
go
off
and
run
their
own
events,
and
this
is
something
I
think
again
like
student
volunteers
would
be
really
interested
in
in
helping
out
with
is
support
people,
so
we've
done
a
lot
of
teaching
facilitation
or
brainstorming.
D
So
this
is
like
really
comfortable
for
us.
We've
done
research
on
large
group
idea
generation
and
developed
online
platforms
for
this
kind
of
thing.
So
we've
done
that
kind
of
thing.
Before
now
it
gets
into
the
more
like
kind
of
complicated,
interesting
part,
which
is
the
proposal
development,
so
that
can
go
anywhere
from
three
to
five
months.
The
goal
here
is
to
develop
the
ballot.
D
So,
depending
on
what
the
steering
committee
decides,
you
might
shoot
for
about
14
proposals
on
that
ballot
give
or
take
in
across
all
the
pb
processes.
30
volunteers
is
the
average,
but
it
can
go
up
to
75..
I
would
think
in
evanston
we
could
probably
do
much
above
average
at
that
point,
they
break
the
committees
down
based
on
different
criteria.
So
usually
it's
like.
D
They
will
form
committees
around
different
departments
of
the
city.
We
might
want
to
format
around
like
arpa
buckets
like
it's
sort
of
whatever
makes
sense
the
string
committee
decides
on
and
then
each
of
those
committees
would
produce
a
few
project
ideas.
So
we'll
start
off
with
the
big
pool
from
the
community
assembly
and
narrow
it
down
to
a
lower
number
that
could
actually
fit
on
the
ballot.
D
So,
council
members,
might
I
remember
you
being
really
raising
the
issue
of
likes
involving
staff
time
for
vetting
all
these
proposals
and
so
the
way
they
kind
of
naturally
filter?
This
down
is
because
each
committee
can
only
produce
a
certain
number
to
be
on
the
ballot.
That's
how
they
kind
of
filter
it
down.
So
you're,
not,
you
know,
flooding
the
staff
with
a
thousand
different
proposals,
it's
a
really
reasonable
number
yeah
and
then
the
the
proposal
development
itself.
D
D
Yeah
they,
as
far
as
we
can
tell
every
process
we
looked
at,
is
anyone
who
volunteers,
because
the
the
main
difficulty
is
getting
people
are
gonna
like
spend
the
three
to
five
months.
To
do
this
work,
I
guess
in
rogers
park
they
had
originally
started
with
trying
to
elect
people,
but
they
found
no.
It's
really.
The
people
are
going
to
show
up.
That's
the
harder
problem.
Okay,
yeah
and
so
you
know
evanston
might
be
different,
but
I
think.
C
D
D
You
have
a
department
briefing,
so
they
understand,
like
kind
of
like
the
part
of
government
that
they're
developing
their
proposal
for
they
plan
their
research
meeting
three,
they
kind
of
narrow
it
down
to
a
short
list.
At
that
point,
you
bring
in
the
city
staff
to
do
kind
of
q
a
because
they
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
developing
the
proposals.
By
that
point,
then
they
come
back
with
their
final
lists.
They
submit
them
officially
to
the
city
they
get
vetted
again
and
then
finally,
they
go
on
to
the
ballot.
D
So
that's
kind
of
like
a
rough
process.
You
know
we
might
be
more
or
less
meetings
depending,
but
this
is
like
roughly
how
it
could
work
then,
in
here
again,
we'd
be
like
writing
the
proposals,
the
guide
for
like
how
you
develop
proposals
facilitating
like
the
delegate,
onboarding
training
of
trainers.
D
One
thing
I
think
we
can
be
especially
helpful
here
is:
we
have
a
whole
social
policy
program
which
is
full
of
undergrads,
who
are
like
dying
to
write
policies
that
actually
are
in
the
world.
So
we
did.
We,
we
recruited
some
people
last
year,
just
as
like
a
mock
pb,
and
I
think
we
had
about
20,
grads
and
undergrads
writing
policies
just
for
the
hope
that
they
could
someday
do
this
for
a
pb
and
that
wasn't
even
a
pbe
process
started.
G
The
mcgaway
mca
had
a
mentorship
program
called
project
soar
and
it
actually
could
become
a
work
study
position.
Yes
for
students
to
do
that,
and
I
just
do
you
think
that
this
might
even
be
a
work
study
opportunity
for
some
students,
because
I
think
of
the
students
who
are
generally,
you
know
eligible
for
work-study
jobs
and
they
might
be
really
a
good
fit
with
trying
to
get
out
in
the
community
and
and
do
that
kind
of
work.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
a
something
to
think
about.
D
Absolutely
we've
talked
with
the
center
for
civic
engagement
about
this,
and
so
depending
on
how
this
meeting
goes
me
next
week
is
to
go
see
if
we
can
set
up
something
like
that,
because
I
think
there
would
be
so
many
like
if
they
could
get
work-study
credit
for
doing
like
outreach
facilitation
policy
development.
I
think
you
know
they're
going
to
take
that
job
over
anything
else.
D
That's
on
the
table
and
in
general
I
think,
like
you
know,
if
this
becomes
like
something
that
evanston
does
regularly,
we
can
start
to
build
our
academic
programs
and
curricular
programs
around
supporting
pb,
so
yeah
I
just
it
could
be
really
wonderful.
If
we,
it
is
something
that
we
we
continue
to
do.
G
D
Yeah
and
then
and
oh
yeah,
so
we've
we've
been
doing
so
we're
in
the
school
of
social
policy.
So
you
know
we
teach
proposal,
development
and
policy
writing
and
we've
been
using
an
online
platform
for
supporting
the
policy
development
process.
One
thing
that
happens.
C
D
A
C
In
chicago
where
the
the
the
council
action
happens
on
the
front
end
and
then
the
it
authorizes,
the
committee
or
you
know
some
right,
you
make
decisions.
A
Well,
if
I
can
jump
in
there,
yes,
it
would
be
done
where
the
whatever
the
committee,
the
community
votes
on,
is
the
final
determination.
That
would
be
my
view
and
that's
how
it's
done
a
number
of
places,
I'll
still
let
matt
answer,
but
I'm
just.
C
Not,
but
do
we
still
need
to
vote
on
it,
though
officially
or
is
it
is
a?
Are
we
authorizing
it
on
the
front
end,
so
there's
a
program
in
chicago
a
grant
program
where
they
authorize
it
on
the
front
end,
so
they
literally
don't
have
to
take
any
further
action
once
the
once.
The
the
projects
are
determined,
none,
it's
they
give.
They
can
give
the
money
directly
to
the
projects
and
that's
it
so.
A
The
the
awards
and
the
alderman
awards
with
the
automatic
menu
money
the
committee,
the
community,
makes
the
decision
and
I
think,
an
alderman.
We
would
maybe
have
the
power
and
retain
the
power
to
veto.
Something
maybe,
but
I
think
we
just
authorized
through
the
resolution
on
the
front
end
that
we
are
funding.
You
know
providing
this
much
funding
to
the
things
that
this
group
has
provided
and
I'll
stop
there
and
let
matt
answer.
B
E
D
Yeah,
I
I
think
as
long
as
they're
pre-qualified
yeah,
I
I
think
that
that's
my
understanding
as
well-
and
I
think
you
all
know
that
you
know
how
the
city
rule
making
works
far
better
than
we
do.
One
thing
we
have
heard
is
that
so
one
one
place
where
things
get
a
little
sticky
is
in
the
vetting
of
the
proposals.
D
So
a
lot
of
times
the
committees
will
come
up
with
things
that
are
either
like
don't
fit
into
the
eligibility
criteria
or
would
require
like
more
funding
than
is
available,
so
that
can
get
really
frustrating
for
people
so
making
that,
like
really
transparent.
D
Another
sticky
point
is
where
the
budget
delegates
are
working
with
the
staff
and
getting
things
vetted
and
through,
and
then
people
who
are
have
submitted
ideas
but
are
not
like
very
end
of
the
process,
are
wondering
like.
Oh,
why?
Why
did
my
idea
not
get
you
know
into
the
final
ballot?
So
there's
also
like
a
transparency
and
communication
issue.
That's
really
delicate.
D
That
has
to
be
kind
of
managed
throughout
the
process
as
well,
so
there's
kind
of
like
different
levels
at
which
things
can
get
stuck
or
not
advanced,
which
are
completely
you
know
above
board,
but
not
transparent
to
people.
C
Previous
administration,
approved
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
strut
of
housing
program,
but
each
25
000
allocation
didn't
need
to
be
voted
on
separately
so
that
that
was
my
point.
And
so
it
sounds
like
that's
what
we
plan
to
do
here.
D
Cool
and
then
so,
to
help
a
little
bit
with
the
transparency
part,
the
at
the
end
of
the
towards
the
end
of
the
delegate
process.
They
do
project
expos.
Some
cities
will
do
this
directly
with
voting
rogers
park.
Does
it
before
voting,
which
I
think
is
smart
for
the
following
reasons
so
or
first,
what
this
is
is
like
it's
a
science,
fair
kind
of
presentation.
They
also
do
it
online,
where
each
of
the
committees
explains
their
presentation
and
talks
with
people
about
it.
The
goals
are
both.
D
You
know
outreach
for
voting,
so
it
gets
some
more
publicity
that
the
vote's
coming
up.
But,
more
importantly,
is
the
transparency
and
credibility.
It's
like
you
know.
People
are
coming
up
and
seeing
that
these
are
developed
by
the
committees,
they
get
a
sense
of
like
how
it
was
developed
and
why
it's
also
educating
voters
about
the
proposals
and
then
giving
some
feedback
to
the
the
proposal
developers
to
do
any
kind
of
last
minute,
tweaks
on
it
in
chicago
they.
D
They
recommend
doing
at
least
two
project
expos
before
the
vote,
and
then
when
we
get
into
the
the
voting
part
that
could
be
about
a
month
process,
there's
a
lot
of
different
methods,
so
everyone
does
at
least
like
traditional
kind
of
polling.
You
go
to
a
spot
like
the
aldermen
awards
in
chicago.
D
You
fill
out
a
ballot
put
in
the
box.
There's
also
a
lot
of
places
are
doing
place
place
online.
So
it's
just
the
same
thing
with
tablets,
so
you
you
walk
into
the
office.
You
use
the
computer
so
to
save
some
paper
really
important
for
inclusion,
though,
is
pop-up
voting,
so
setting
up
just
mobile
voting
locations
like
giving
me
as
small
as
a
table
where
you
know
in
spots
where
people
are
going
to
be
so
sometimes
it
can
be
on
the
outline
it
could
be
at
a
church.
D
It
could
be
wherever
you
think,
is
going
to
be
easy
for
people
to
access,
there's
a
a
lot
less,
but
starting
to
be
more
of
online.
Only
voting
so
where
you
could
like
go
online
on
a
computer
and
vote
without
showing
up
to
a
location.
D
D
C
I
think
it
might
be
interesting
to
treat
online
voting
like
absentee
voting
in
evanston
and
have
people
apply
for
it.
I
think
of
people
with
mobility,
challenges,
etc,
and
and-
and
we
don't
necessarily
need
to-
we
could
decide
how
much
we
want
to
event
whether
or
not
they
have
a
you
know
qualified
disability.
We
could
just
take
them
for
their
word,
which
is
probably
the
best
thing
to
do,
but
at
least
you
know
have
them
apply
the
same
way
they
would
to
to
do
an
absentee
ballot.
It's
just
a
thought.
D
Yeah,
that's
a
great
idea
that
sorry
there's
a
song
by
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
really
cool
and
if
we
do,
if
we
do
a
good
job
on
the
outreach
on
the
front
end,
we
should
be
able
to
like
have
a
pretty
good
list
of
people.
I
don't
know
the
city
has
like
a
lot
of
of
good
mailing
lists
by
ward
about
who's
there.
So
that
might
be
another
way
we
can
reach
out
to
people
and
have
them
kind
of
pre-register.
G
B
G
D
Absolutely
I
don't
know
if
they're
online
anymore,
but
especially
during
covid
rogers
park,
did
the
expos
online.
So
you
know
that's
a
nice
way
to
both
reach
people
who
can't
make
it
to
event
and
then
also
just
have
it
so
that
people
can't
make
it
at
that
time
can
get
to
it
later.
So
we
should
definitely
I
mean
I
think
we
should
do
that,
but
that's
something
that
can
be
stipulated
in
the
in
the
steering
committee
and
in
terms
of
eligibility.
D
You
know
chicago
uses
like
a
really
long
list
of
ids.
You
know
the
goal
is
really
to
make
it
as
easy
for
people
to
show
up
with
whatever
they
have
and
vote
a
couple
places
have
also
done
no
id
now
so
in
new
york.
They've
done
you
do
like
your
name
and
affidavit.
D
You
can
either
vote
in
person.
They
also
allow
online
voting
with
a
phone
number,
so
you
can't
prove
that
they're
actually
from
the
ward,
but
you
know
you
can
at
least
prevent
double
voting,
but
their
their
logic
was
that
you
know
we
didn't
really
see
any
problems
with
fraud
when
we
made
it
in
person
and
the
bigger
problem
is
turnout,
so
you
know,
let's
just
make
it
as
easy
as
possible.
They
also
have
online
voting
with
email
only
but
there's
like
a
verification
step
by
the
city.
D
So
you
would
like
apply
say
here's
my
email,
they
would
check
and
then
you
could
vote
within.
I
think
roughly
24
hours
to
that
and
then
again,
like
you,
know,
we'll
help
with
like
writing.
The
facilitation
guides
do
some
model
voting
events
to
train
the
facilitators,
and
this
again,
I
think,
would
be
a
fun
one
for.
D
And
yeah,
we've
done,
you
know
deliberative
voting
caucuses
before
and
online
platforms
for
polling.
So
again,
this
is
something
we
feel
pretty
comfortable
with.
Then
the
last
part
is
evaluation,
so
that
can
take
one
or
two
months.
D
The
main
data
sources
they
use
are.
You
know,
surveys
from
the
different
events.
They
also
tend
to
hold
community
feedback
meetings,
especially
with,
like
you
know,
the
groups
that
were
specifically
trying
to
make
it
easy
to
come
to
pb,
like
holding
events
to
see
like
you
know,
did
this
work
for
you
like
what
did
you
think
of
it?
D
What
should
we
do
next
time
and
then
they
used
census
data
and
public
records
as
the
benchmarks
for
pb
there's
a
really
nice
set
of
evaluation
metrics
that
have
been
developed
so
there's
like
these
15
metrics.
So
we
could
use
that
as
a
starting
point.
D
So
we
would
help
analyze
and
evaluate
the
data
analyze.
The
recommendations
draft
a
final
report
to
give
to
the
the
pb
manager,
who
would
then
give
it
to
the
city,
and
then
you
know
we
do
a
lot
of
research
and
development.
So
this
is
again
something
that,
like
we're
pretty
comfortable
comfortable
doing
and
then
the
final
phase
is
proposal
implementation.
So
that's
that's
where
it's
like
really
handed
over
to
the
city
at
that
point
and
you
hopefully
implement
the
winning
projects
without
too
much
challenges.
D
There
will
be
some
troubleshooting
for
some
of
the
projects
and
really
important
part.
Is
that
the
city's
communicating
back
to
the
participants
about
how
things
are
going
and
that
these
things
are
are
moving
forward
yeah.
So
that's
that's
like
kind
of
the
pb
process
and
where
we
think
we
understood
like
technical
assistance,
would
be
useful
and
what
we
think
we
can
provide.
D
So
I'll
pause
there
and
then
I
want
to
talk
like
a
briefly
about
some
of
the
inclusion
strategies
and
some
of
the
project
risks.
After
that.
A
Sure
are
there
any
questions
from
the
committee.
E
I'll
share
some
high-level
observations
here,
keep
in
mind
that
I'm
supportive
of
this-
and
I
I
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
how
this
plays
out
big
picture,
I'm
looking
at
the
effort
to
dollar
ratio-
and
it
seems,
like
things-
are
a
little
bit
out
of
whack
like
we're.
Only
talking
about
three
and
a
half
million
dollars
on
a
one-time
basis
and
the
process
we're
contemplating
here.
It's
rather
involved
a
lot
of
bandwidth
from
a
lot
of
players,
a
lot
of
people,
and
it
would
seem
to
be
honestly
probably
a
little
bit
too
much.
E
I'm
willing
to
kind
of
go
along
with
this,
because
there
are
some
intangible
benefits,
and
you
know
if
nothing
else,
I'm
kind
of
interested
in
investing
in
this
experiment
in
participatory
democracy-
and
you
know,
we've
got
some
the
opportunity
to
engage
students
at
the
high
school
level
at
the
university
level,
engage
the
community
in
a
way.
We
haven't,
engaged
the
community
before
and
learn
some
lessons
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
perhaps
applying
in
the
future
in
ways
yet
to
be
determined.
E
So
that's
how,
in
my
mind,
I
can
justify
this
kind
of
overkill
for
one
time
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
project
which,
if
that
was
all
we
were
trying
to
do,
I
would
probably
be
in
favor
of
a
more
do
it
ourselves,
just
figure
it
out
a
reward
meeting
kind
of
a
solution,
but
I
like
the
bigger
idea
and
investing
in
this
as
as
an
experiment.
So
that's
what
that's
all.
I'm
just
fine
in
my
mind,.
E
C
C
In
the
real
sense
of
of
that,
without
making
an
investment-
and
I
think
the
reason
why
they
even
said
that
you
need
two
and
not
one
person
is-
I
remember,
I
think
all
them
in
florida,
joe
moore's
office
had
one
person
and
that
person
was
working
overtime
and
way
too
much
and
so
councilman.
I
think
what
encourages
me
about
this
is
what
you
described
would
not
be
true.
Pb.
C
C
Be
typical
of
what
we
have
now,
which
is
a
small
group
of
people
providing
recommendations
that
council
is
able
to
to
take
action
on,
and
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
really
get
more
participation
in
how
we
allocate.
C
C
May
very
well
be
one
of
those
things
that
would
be
difficult
for
us
to
do.
You
know
before
these
funds
and
and
then
I
think,
the
last
thing
for
me-
and
I
know
you're
not
here
yet
councilman,
but
I'm
100
here.
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
continue
to
do
to
some
degree
and
councilmember
reed,
and
I,
when
he
was
in
the
clerk's
office,
and
I
was
the
interim
deputy
city
clerk
considered,
creating
a
pb
process
for
our
affordable
housing
funds
and
and
several.
C
Am
100
committed
to
ensuring
that
we
do
beyond
this
process
and
then,
lastly,
what
I
wanted
to
share
is,
I
think
I
just
really
want
to
get
comfortable
with
knowing
what
the
and
again
we
can
work
on
this,
maybe
at
the
next
phase,
but
the
door-to-door
canvassing
costs
the
cost
to
do
online.
You
know
voting
for
qualified
residents
and
then
hybrid
options.
I
really
feel
strongly
that
most,
if
not
all
things
we
do
in
the
city,
we
there
needs
to
be
a
hybrid
option.
C
I
think
that's
something
that
we
learned
during
the
pandemic
and
we
need
to
to
just
we
we
need
to
we
just
we
need
to
to
learn
from
it
and
figure
out
how
to
adopt
it
moving
forward,
because
I
get
a
lot
more
people
even
on
war
meetings.
C
C
Difficult
for
staff
to
accommodate
all
of
our
hybrid
needs
is
that
we
don't
have.
C
E
C
C
A
Thank
you
yeah.
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
councilmember
newsma's
point
about.
The
benefits
of
the
experiment
is
also
outside
of
that,
and
I
think
you
might
have
mentioned
this
as
well-
is
just
the
benefits
of
getting
the
community
engaged
and
the
education
as
well
that
community
members
get
one
of
the
downsides
is
we
are
using
arbor
funds,
which
is
not
a
typical
source
of
funding
with
typical
restrictions
that
we
have,
and
so
we're
not
we're
educating
folks
not
on
some.
A
You
know
how
the
general
fund
works
or
on
how
some
you
know
perpetually
existent
fund
works,
but
we
still
are
engaging
folks
and
teaching
them
about
government
processes.
What
departments
deal
with
what
items,
and
I
think
that
education,
also
you
know
on
top
of
the
experiment-
would
be
worth
the
expenditure
too.
A
D
Yeah,
that's
awesome.
Thank
you
offer
really.
It's
really
encouraging
to
hear
our
counsel
like
with
such
great
points
about
open
democracy,
yeah,
so
on
inclusion.
So
I
want
to
show
some
of
the
like
average
stats
about
who
participates
and
who
doesn't
before.
D
I
do
that,
though,
I
want
to
note
that
every
community
is
different
and
these
are
averages,
so
these
are
not
necessarily
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
the
issues
for
evanston,
but
I
think
they're
good
to
know
about
so
in
terms
of
age,
the
people
that
tend
not
to
be
represented
are
between
18
to
44.
D
Most
pb
processes
do
really
good
at
getting
you
know
under
18
and
over
65..
It's
not
necessarily
that
those
are
easier
to
reach.
It's
just
that
you
know.
Pb
pb
processes
have
been
good
at
figuring
out,
strategies
to
reach
them
for
race
and
ethnicity.
Hispanics
are
especially
underrepresented
and,
to
some
extent,
asians
for
income
is
a
little
bit
mixed,
so
the
under
25
and
over
100k
are
the
most
likely
to
be
either
over
underrepresented,
so
they're,
less
reliably
reached
or
overreached
for
education.
D
D
Some
of
the
big
ways
that
new
york
and
chicago
have
have
included
more
people
is
first
making
sure
that
the
funds
are
are
strategic.
So
if
you
want
to
reach
under-resourced
people,
you
have
to
make
sure
the
money
can
be
used
for
things
that
are
important
to
them
like
housing,
jobs
and
schools.
D
Less
so,
like
you
know,
parks
and
one-time
expenditures,
also
greater
amounts
of
money
get
more
people
out,
and
you
know
evanston
is
doing
great,
I
think,
on
both
using
arpa
money
and
having
a
good
pot
of
our
money
for
that.
D
The
second
kind
of
key
strategy
is
making
sure
the
grassroots
leaders
are
involved
throughout
their
process,
from
design
to
leadership,
to
evaluation,
especially
looking
for
people
who
are
already
doing
a
good
job,
mobilizing
different
marginalized
communities,
making
sure
the
events
are
accessible,
and
that
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things,
so
making
sure
they're
at
the
right
time
the
right
place.
They
have
good
facilitation
using
like
the
mobile
voting
stands.
Making
it
fun
and
then
and
then,
of
course,
targeted
outreach.
D
So
all
the
things
that
we
can
do,
whether
face-to-face
recruitment
hiring
additional
canvassers
to
make
sure
that
we
can
reach
everyone
in
the
city.
D
So
those
are
kind
of
general
strategies
and
then
just
a
last
note
on,
like
the
current
project
risks,
I
think
are
making
sure
we
have
the
resources
for
staff
and
implementation.
I
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
in
terms
of
time,
if
we
use
a
kind
of
a
standard
schedule,
we're
a
little
bit
behind
so
we'll
need
to
like
shorten
or
overlap
particular
phases
or
potentially
move
when
you
want
the
voting
to
happen
by
right
now.
D
One
thing
we
might
do
is
bring
in
some
of
those
university
policy
students
to
help
with
that
and
then,
of
course,
outreach
like.
We
can't
do
enough
outreach,
and
you
know
the
more
we
can
do
with
connecting
the
community
based
organizations
and
face
to
face
the
better
we're
going
to
be
including
everyone.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
I
know
we're
getting
short
on
time,
but
again
really
appreciate
you
having
us
here
and
and
giving
us
a
chance
to
to
share
what
we
know
about
pb.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
suppose
all
of
the
questions
have
been
answered
asked
already,
but
if
there
are
any
further
questions.
A
Next
summer,
I
think
it's
when
the
voting
would
take
place,
we'd
likely
launch
you
know,
starting
in
the
winter,
and
so
some
of
those
assemblies
could
take
place
in
the
spring,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the
outreach
taking
place
really
in
spring
and
summer.
G
It
should
because
we
have,
until.
A
G
To
2026
to
implement-
and
I
I
think
that
that
should
give
us
enough
time,
but
that
will
have
to
be
a
one
of
the
criteria
for
what's
eligible.
Obviously,.
E
Yeah
yeah
got
it
and
I
also
think
in
terms
of
the
redistricting
and
outreach
we
are
going
to
be
doing
on
that
over
the
next
year.
This
participatory
budgeting
won't
overlap
that.
E
C
C
You
know
out
of
our
funds
or
whatever
the
need
is.
I
don't
understand
the
other
part
as
far
related
to
housing
that
the
how
the
development
itself
needs
to
be
completed
before
2026,
that
I'd
like
to
see
that
where
that
is
represented
in
the
arbor
guidelines,
because
I
get
the
first
two
like
we
need
to.
You
know,
identify
where
we're
gonna,
send
it
and
allocate
it.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
the
guidelines
are
clear,
that
if
we
did
a
housing
project,
for
example,
that.
G
Well,
the
funds
need
to
be
expended.
I
think
it
is
yet
to
be
determined
if
there
are
ways
to
get
around
the
I
mean,
I'm
giving
an
example
say
there
was
to
do
a
housing
project.
There
was
a
acquisition
cost,
so
the
question
is
would-
and
these
are
things
that
I
would
have
to
just
look
into-
would
acquiring
the
site
be
considered
an
eligible
cost,
even
though
the
red
and
put
arpa
into
that?
Well,
the
rest
of
the
money
that
supports
a
a
project
might
be
after
that.
G
Those
are
types
of
things
that
I'll
have
to
look
into
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
being
worked
out
right
now,
especially
in
the
housing
area.
G
I
have
actually
been
talking
with
a
developer
who's
working
on
a
tax
credit
project,
not
in
evanston,
but
where
they're
trying
to
layer
arpa
in
with
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
and
ida
is
going
a
little
bit
out
of
its
mind,
trying
to
figure
this
out,
because
what
happens
is
when
you
have
a
grant
that's
coming
in,
because
you
have
to
do
arpa,
you
can't
do
it
as
a
loan,
even
a
forgivable
one,
as
you
normally
do.
It
changes
the
basis
for
the
calculating
the
tax
credits
and
so
they're
separating
it
into
two
different
financial
transactions.
G
It
sounds
kind
of
crazy,
but
they're
working
it
out.
So
I'm
hoping
they'll
have
those
things
worked
out
so
that
we
don't
have
to
try
to
work
them
out,
but
I
think
that
there
are
going
to
be
ways
to.
We
won't
be
able
to
do
everything,
but
I
think
that
there
are
ways
that
there
could
be
very
meaningful
housing
things
done
with
arpa,
but
I
also
think
that
we
can
remember
that
we
are
doing
some
housing
things
that
are
outside
of
of
of
participatory
budgeting.
G
So
I
don't
want
to
make
you
know,
not
not
everything
may
be
best
suited
for
participatory
budgeting.
C
No,
I
don't
understand
I
just
I
I
based
on
what
I've
read,
I'm
under
the
impression
that,
as
long
as
the
arpa
money
is
spent,
which,
in
the
example.
C
D
C
May
not,
we
may
not
be
involved
in
that
at
all,
and
we
and
and
arbor.
G
D
C
Is
final,
I
think
we
should
be
well
within
the
guidelines
so.
C
Federal
funds-
that's
part
of
the
construction
of
the
the
building.
What
I'm
saying
is
it's
like
acquisition
is
a
separate
thing
right.
Somebody
could
acquire
land
and
just
sit
on
it
with
no
intention
ever
developing,
which
is
why
I
think
you
know.
That's
that
to
me
seems
like
a
separate
transaction,
but.
G
I
think
that
what
could
be
done-
and
this
is
something
that
I
can
certainly
check,
is
if
we
were
to
acquire
property
specifically
for
a
housing,
a
housing
project
that
addressed
the
needs
of
our
lower
income
residents,
or
something
like
that.
If
that
were
clearly,
you
know
stated
in
the
acquisition,
is
for
this
purpose,
and
this
will
be
carried
out.
G
I
can
certainly
look
into
whether
or
not
something
like
that
could
be
done,
but
I
also
think
that
we
can
look
at,
as
I
say,
look
at
doing
that
sort
of
thing
outside
of
the
participatory
budgeting
process
too.
So
I
think
yeah.
A
C
A
E
Matt,
if
I
recall
in
a
previous
slide,
you
said
typically
there's
14
candidates
on
the
ballot.
D
E
E
Well,
I
mean
if
you're,
if,
if,
if
you
know
I'm
the
jonathan
newsman
foundation
and
I'm
on
the
ballot
for
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
is
it
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
nothing
or
might
I
get
75
if
that's.
F
F
If
you
look
at
the
screen,
that's
up
right
now
and
and
looking
at
our
attempt
to
try
to
vote
next
summer,
they're
they're,
showing
voting
in
august
and
september,
which
is
you
know
the
next
summer
that
we're
we're
looking
at,
however,
we're
already
in
may,
we
haven't
assigned
contract
with
them,
and
I
I
believe
that
the
the
manager
the
pb
manager
would
need
to
be
on
by
when
not
looking
at
this
schedule,
right
here
by
october.
D
F
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
can
answer
that
because
I'm
looking
at
you
know
this
calendar,
let's
shift
it
to
you
know,
starting
or
the
voting
and
the
evaluation
period
happening
next
summer,
as
opposed
to
august
september.
A
It
looks
like
we
would
want
to
have
hired
that
the
the
positions
that
you're
discussing
now
directors,
our
manager
stoneback,
we
would
have
wanted
to
hire
them
at
that
first
bubble.
That
says
may,
and
so
I
think,
shifting
this
you
know
to
next
summer.
Maybe
we
want
to
have
those
people
on
board
by
you
know,
october
and
november.
B
Year,
no,
that's,
I
think.
A
F
Yeah
yeah,
we
should
be
in
design
now.
We're
mr
day
is
working
with
northwestern
to
get
a
final
proposal
and
a
contract
we're
we're
trying
to
use
the
northwestern
contract
rather
than
forcing
them
to
use
the
city
standard
agreement
form
account
corporation
council's
already
looked
at.
We
believe
that
that
will
work,
but
we
don't
have
a
a
full
proposal
from
their
group.
F
Yet
when
we
get
that,
we
have
to
go
to
council
to
get
that
approved
because
that's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
then
I
I
would
assume
at
the
same
time
we're
going
to
say,
seek
permission
to
hire
contractual
employees
or
consultant
to
be
the
manager
and
the
forget.
What
the
other
position
is
outreach
yeah,
but
then
that
could
take
up
to
two
months
just
to
even
hire
a
contractual
company,
and
I
don't
have
experience
writing
requests
for
a
proposal
to
to
for
to
hire.
F
Somebody
like
this,
so
I'm
just
saying
we're
struggling
to
meet
the
schedule
because
of
where
we
are
right.
Now
this
hasn't
even
gone
to
city
council.
We
don't
have
staff
in
place
to
make
this
happen.
We
don't
have
the
consultant
whatever
we
don't
have.
The
people,
the
bodies
to
make
this
work
on
our
side
other
than
bringing
in
this
group-
and
you
know
their
cost
estimate-
is
around
100
000.
And
then
we
have
to
hire
these
other
consultants
or
outreach
people,
and
I'm
just
bringing
all
this
to
your
attention
to
say.
F
You
know
that
we're
on
a
very
tight
schedule-
and
we
really
aren't
quite
ready
to
move
to
jump
on
this
so
and
that's
why
I
want
to
try
to
bring
it
back
to
the
present.
And
how
are
we
going
to
try
to
address
that.
C
Where
I'm
at
and
so
one
question
before
I
go
into
that
so
matt
r,
would
you
rather
be
able
to
help
out
with
helping
us
identify
people?
You
know
for
pb
managers
and
because.
C
Consultant
I'll
say
hired
now:
political.
C
B
C
B
C
Work
and
if
that's
the
case,
that's
the
route
that
I
would
recommend
we
go
and
and
then,
as
far
as
deliberation
works,
I
mean
based
on
what
we've
seen
today
and
and
we've
had
previous
conversations
with
the
liberation
works.
I
mean,
I
think
it
makes
total
sense
to
move
forward
with
them.
So
I'm
I'm
fully
committed
to
working
with
deliberation
works
and
I
think
it's
important
to
get
them
started.
C
B
C
Take
that
long
to.
A
B
C
A
Yeah
some
boilerplate
exact
descriptions
for
that
that
hr
could
get
really
quickly.
F
Okay,
that
that'd
be
great
and
then
matt
do
you
have
an
estimate
as
to
when
you'll
get
us
a
final
proposal
and
contract.
D
Yeah
I've
I've
asked
for
an
estimate
of
time,
I'm
meeting
with
my
assistant
dean
today,
so
she
had
some
final
questions
and
then
she's
gonna
put
it
to
the
legal
people
and
then
I'm
gonna
ask
her
like
when
they
can
get
that
done
by
by
like
four
o'clock
today.
F
Okay,
so,
depending
on
when
we
get
it,
we
can
try
to
add
it
to
the
june
13th
council
meeting
and
or
I
would
say
at
the
latest
june
27th,
but
then
going
back
to
your
schedule
that
you
kind
of
showed
starting
in
in
may
you're
you're,
really
not
we're
going
to
be
starting
mid-june,
as
always,
I'm
saying
and
then
and
then
we'll.
F
If
we
get
the
job
descriptions
we
can
put
them
out
and
and
then
everybody
can
contact
their
associates
that
they're
aware
of
that,
might
want
to
apply
for
this
job
and
then
they
would
have
to
apply.
But
we've
got
to
get
the
job
description,
so
we
got
to
get
the
job
advertised,
and
so
that's
like
the
next
step
for
sure.
D
Yeah,
so
the
design
phase
is
I'll,
go
back
to
the
slide,
but
it's
basically
forming
the
the
committee
doing
the
oh
sorry,
the
wrong
one.
D
It's
the
forming
the
committee,
the
rule
book
and
then
starting
on
the
training
of
the
facilitators
so
like
in
my
in
my
fantasy
world,
like
we
take
the
the
pb
chicago
book,
we
all
look
at
it
and
say
great
and
then
like
it's
done,
but
you
know
if
we
go
too
fast
through
that
part,
there
has
to
be
community
buy-in
that
this
is
a
fair
and
good
process.
D
So
you
know
it's
going
to
take
a
while
to
get
you
know,
figure
out
who
the
right
representatives
are
and
then
make
sure
everyone's
on
board
with
it.
C
D
C
C
C
You
know
whole
monthly
war
meetings,
so
that's
a
way
to
start
to
circulate
the
rule
book
and
some
of
the
things
that
we're
talking
about.
So
we
can.
We
can
start
the
process
and
find
ways
to
get
some
of
that
initial
feedback.
So,
by
the
time
the
project
manager
comes
on,
you
know
we
we
have
we've
done
some
work.
Yeah
we've
started.
G
B
C
Design
period
ends
I
just.
A
Okay,
so
then,
for
the
next
meeting
for
our
our
next
meeting,
we,
I
guess
we're
going
to
send
the
this
proposal
directly
to
council.
So
I
I'd
just
like
to
be
official
and
take
a
quick
vote
on
that
that
we
are
fine,
sending
whatever
proposal
northwestern
and
mr
easter
day
send
to
us
again
directly
to
council.
So
may
I
have
a
motion
on
that.
E
B
F
But
we
might
need
a
resolution
in
conjunction
with
this.
That
would
authorize.
F
C
F
F
Sorry
share
if
you
want
as
soon
as
we
get
the
proposal
and
it's
in
full
form,
we
can
share
that
with
the
committee
yeah
and
then
at
your
discretion.
If
you
want
to
have
a
special
meeting
or
something
like
that,
we
can
special
meeting
to
officially
prove
it
and
move
it
on
the
council.
I'd
be
fine
with
that
as
well.
A
Yeah,
but
I
think
in
in
lieu
of
that
in
case,
we
don't
need
that
if
there
is
something
that
we
need
to
discuss,
if
there's
something
controversial,
we'll
call
that,
but
let's
for
now
just
take
a
vote
to
move
this
issue
forward
to
council
as
well
as
I
guess,
moving
forward
those
two
positions
to
counsel
and
then
with
the
to
be
determined.
A
You
know,
or
let's
say
I-
I
would
presume
that
between
the
two
positions,
we
wouldn't
need
more
than
150
dollars.
I
know
that's
probably
kind
of
even
high
for
two,
you
know
kind
of
seasonal
positions
or
maybe
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
an
amount
not
to
exceed
two
hundred
thousand.
A
Does
that
sound
about
right,
sarah
or
manager,
stoneback.
F
I
would
think
200
000
would
be
fine
to
hire
these
people
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
overcome.
A
Okay,
moved
by
council
member
burns
seconded
by
councilmember
nusma.
The
motion
is
to
move
forward
the
the
northwestern
proposal,
as
well
as
up
to
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
two
positions:
to
help
with
pb
roll
call
vote,
councilman,
bernissma,
aye,
councilmember
burns,
aye,
myself,
councilmember,
reed
aye,
so
the
motion
passes
and
thank
you,
mr
easter
day
and
crew,
and
thank
you,
sarah
and
manager
stoneback.
A
I
think
for
our
next
meeting
just
to
be
clear.
This
will
be
in
in
in
sometime
later
this
month.
I
guess
we.
A
A
Gotten
here,
I
think
the
next
step
is
to
start
formulating
what
the
initial
group
is
going
to
look
like
and
how
we're
going
to
select
folks
for
that
initial
assemblage.
A
Okay,
so
that's
what
we'll
be
discussing
at
the
next
meeting.
Thank
you.
I
think
that's
all
that
is
on
the
agenda
unless
there's
anything
else
that
folks
want
to
raise.
E
E
A
A
Okay.
Well
then,
without
the
meetings
adjourned.
B
Yeah,
so
I'll
need
to
stay
on
in
order
for
you
all
to
worries.