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The Participatory Budgeting Committee meets with Ald. Hadden of Chicago to discuss Participatory Budgeting in Evanston.
A
All
for
joining
us
I'll
just
quickly
introduce
the
committee
to
council
woman
council
person
hadden,
who
is
the
council
person
for
the
49th
award,
which
is
and
welcome
councilman
burns
as
well,
which
is
the
first
jurisdiction
in
north
america
to
do
participatory
budgeting,
older
woman
head.
B
A
Was
not
the
oldest
person
at
the
time,
but
certainly
been
deeply
involved
in
participatory
budgeting
for
years
and
years
and
has
a
wide
experience
with
this.
D
A
I
forget
the
organization
that
you're
with
but
works
for
the
city,
jonathan
newsma
who's,
council,
member
of
fourth
ward,
david
stonebach,
who
is
the
in
normal
times
the
director
of
public
works,
but
our
interim
city.
D
A
A
A
My
title
yeah
and
then
council
member
bobby
burns
of
the
fifth
ward,
who
I
think
you're
familiar
with
all
right.
We
will
get
started
on
our
agenda
today.
A
We
have
two
two
items,
but
first
we'll
start
with
councilmember
haddon,
who
is
here
to
want
to
talk
a
bit
about
the
49th
ward,
tv
prosp
process
and
maybe
pb
generally
and
certainly
take
questions
from
this
panel
on.
You
know,
questions
that
we
have
about
implementing
pb
on
the
ground
in
a
community.
That's
you
know,
roughly
the
size
of
evidence,
a
little
smaller.
F
Fantastic
thanks
so
much
happy
to
be
here
good,
to
see
you
all
as
our
neighbors
neighbors
to
the
north.
I
wanna
share
just
a
little
bit,
so
you
know
really
proud
to
serve
as
older
person
here
in
the
49th
ward,
representing
the
the
community,
where,
as
as
councilmember
reed
said,
we
had
our
first
north
american
well,
actually,
our
first
u.s
participatory
budgeting
experience.
First,
north
american
would
be
in
toronto.
F
So
I
was
a
participant
in
our
first
process
right
our
first
year
and
then
went
on
to
join
with
josh
lerner
and
john
paulo
baoke,
and
we
started
the
participatory
budgeting
project,
a
non-profit
organization
where
I
worked
for
about
eight
years.
So
in
addition
to
kind
of
that
participant
experience,
which
I
frequently
reflect
on
I've
had
the
the
you
know
great
pleasure
of
being
an
implementer.
So
for
these
implementation
questions
I'll
say
I
can
probably
give
you.
F
I'm
gonna
have
more
of
my
perspective
in
answering
your
questions
from
an
implementation
perspective
as
not
an
older
person,
because
I've
had
more
years
doing
it
as
not
an
older
person
than
as
an
older
person,
and
then
just
to
give
you
some
other
kind
of
idea
of
the
kind
of
experience.
I
hope
I
can
offer
in
answering
some
of
your
questions.
F
I
managed
our
projects
in
the
midwest
and
southern
united
states,
so
I
did
a
lot
of
work
with
elected
officials,
but
also
public
employees,
so
budget
directors-
and
you
know,
county
folks
and
city
folks
and
community
organizations,
and
most
of
my
experience
is
in
this
initial
stage
right.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
design
a
participatory
budgeting
process?
F
What
does
engaging
participatory
design?
Look
like
bringing
residents
into
your
process
from
the
start?
How
do
you
determine
kind
of
your
values,
your
goals
and
your
mission
for
your
project?
Why
are
you
doing
pb
so
helping
people
to
think
of
the
questions
and
figuring
out
the
ways
to
answer
those
questions
and
working
to
design
a
process?
That's
sustainable
and
engaging
and
meeting
those
goals
is
what
my
job
used
to
be.
F
So.
I've
worked
with
folks
in
jackson,
mississippi
in
greensboro,
north
carolina,
denver,
colorado,
you
know
oakland,
new
york
and,
of
course,
here
all
across
chicago
and
then
we've
also
done
processes
in
schools.
F
So
I
loved
doing
this
work
and
all
very
excited
that
evanston
is
choosing
to
embark
upon
it
other
than
getting
better
decisions
around
how
to
spend
dollars.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
what
you
can
achieve
is
creating
these
new
connections
with
residents,
building
new
and
stronger
relationships
right
between
community
and
government
and
I'll
say
just
going
back
to
that
first
year
of
pb,
when
alderman
moore
started
pb
here
I
thought
I
was
an
engaged
person
right.
I
I
voted.
F
This
is
that
we
know
what
we
do
right
and
we're
immersed
in
it
all
the
time,
but
there's
so
much
that
our
constituents
don't
know
and
a
lot
of
complication
and
a
lot
of
process
and
volunteering
and
working
with
my
neighbors
and
our
first
pb
process,
one.
It
felt
like
democracy
to
me
and
it
was
a
great
opportunity,
so
it
helped
me
to
feel
closer
to
my
community.
F
I
met
a
ton
of
neighbors
and,
as
you
look
at
how
we,
especially
in
a
time
of
the
pandemic,
find
ways
to
build
that
social
fabric
find
ways
to
bring
people
more
together
around
shared
goals.
F
This
is
a
fantastic
opportunity
for
u.s,
so
I'll,
stop
speaking
and
just
kind
of
open
it
up
for
for
questions
that
folks
may
have
yeah.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
I
will
just
ask
one
question
and
turn
it
over
to
the
committee
is
the
you
you
founded
the
participate
participatory
budgeting
project
is
that
organization
still
in
existence
today.
Absolutely.
F
Yes,
so
the
participatory
budgeting
project
you
can
find
them
at
participatorybudgeting.org.
They
continue
to
do
participatory,
budgeting
work
and
working
with
different
cities.
They
have
offices
in
brooklyn
and
in
oakland
we
never
had
an
office
in
chicago.
F
It
was
just
me
working
out
of
my
home,
which
made
me
very
well
suited
for
pandemic
life
just
saying,
but
they
also
work
broadly
in
the
space
of
not
just
participatory
budgeting,
but
participatory
democracy.
A
Great
good,
all
right,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
committee.
G
A
Really
good
process
questions
I
think
are
now
suited
for
for
this
meeting.
D
D
The
city
of
chicago
can
sympathize
with
that.
I
understand.
A
Yeah
well,
okay,
I
I
will
start
off
then,
if
no
one
else
or
matthew
also
feel
free
and
and
sarah
or
staff
members
who
are
gonna
be
a
part
of
implementing
this
feel
free
to
also
jump
in
so
I'll
start
off
with
my
first
question
where
so
we
are,
this
is
our
our
third
meeting,
I
believe,
of
the
participatory.
A
And
we
have
anywhere
from
we
have
a
minimum
of
2.5
million
roughly
and
maybe
up
to
three
and
a
half
million
is
where
things
may
fall.
You
know
we're
very
early
in
the
process.
You
know
how,
where?
Where
do
you
think
we
start
with
engaging
residents
and
and
where
what
ability
or
what
powers
and
duties
do
you
think
this
initial
committee
should
take
on
of
council
members
and
setting
up
the
process?
A
And
what
do
you
think
is
appropriate
to
delegate
to
you
know
the
citizen
committee
as
they
begin
the
process
and
and.
H
F
Sure
great
questions,
one,
I
think
the
the
best
thing
that
this
committee
can
do
is
establish
what
your,
what
your
kind
of
boundaries
and
legal
legal
boundaries
and
legal
restrictions
are
so
kind
of
within
within
your
code
right
within
your
legislation.
What
are
you
empowered
to
do?
What
are
residents
and
power
to
do
with
these
funds?
So
big
questions
of
like
what
can
the
dollars
be
used
for?
F
What's
the
time
frame
that
you
need
right
to
work
for
like
work
within
your
budget,
I'm
not
familiar
with
with
where
the
pot
of
money
is
coming
from,
but
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
are,
let's
say
not
up
for
debate
right
like
when
do
you
need
decisions
by
you
know?
Are
there
any
restrictions
on
how
the
funds
can
be
used?
Are
there
any
restrictions,
like
kind
of
legally
that
you're
bound
to
on
who
can
participate?
F
So
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
you
know
before
you
start
engaging
residents.
You
should
have
very
clear
and
worked
out
and
I'll
say
that
in
the
chicago
example,
very
clear-cut,
the
funds
that
we
have
historically
used
for
participatory
budgeting
are
it's
bond
money.
F
So
we
can
only
use
it
for
capital
infrastructure
on
public
spaces,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
restrictions
that
are
just
built
into
the
pot
of
money
that
we
have,
and
that
was
something
important
for
us
to
know
and
to
have
set
and
then
right
from
the
bat
you
know
telling
residents
we
have.
A
million
dollars
can
only
be
used
for
these
types
of
things,
having
clear
perspectives
on
which
kind
of
government
entities
will
be
involved.
So
again
in
the
chicago
example.
F
In
most
cities
your
office
of
budget
and
management
or
whatever
you
you
call
your
department
right
is
going
to
be
there
that's
kind
of
a
core
piece,
but
also
figuring
out
who's,
going
to
have
the
final
say
now
in
I'll,
say
in
greensboro
north
carolina,
where
they
do
citywide
pb
right.
We
worked
with
them
on
three
cycles.
F
They
had
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
they
decided
right.
The
city
decided
they
were
going
to
split
that
amongst
their
five
wards,
so
they
had
five
districts,
so
they
were
going
to
do
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
per
district.
So
those
are
questions
structurally
that
you
can
decide
with
community,
which
I
tend
to
favor
deciding
things
with
community.
F
If
there
are
some
in
the
case
of
of
greensboro,
that
was
what
their
city
council
approved
right
so
before
community
members
really
got
involved
at
a
at
a
kind
of
committee
level.
Certain
city
council
members
who
were
really
skeptical
of
the
process
were
like
hey.
This
is
how
we
want
it
structured.
So
those
were
the
parameters
that
their
budget
department,
who
ended
up
being
the
the
city
employee
implementers,
had
to
work
with.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
right
for
evanston.
F
What
are
you
able
to
do?
What
decisions
do
you
have
to
make
and
another
example
in
kind
of
decision
making
structures
for
greensboro
city
of
greensboro,
their
city
budget
process?
F
You
have
to
think
about
this
and
where
your
funds
are
coming
from,
theirs
were
coming
from
unrestricted
funds
within
their
kind
of
corporate
budget
for
the
city,
and
in
that
case,
their
process
with
the
city
manager
was
typically,
I
think
their
city
manager
creates
a
budget
right
presents
it
to
council
council
gives
approval
city
manager,
implements
the
budget,
and
so
thinking
about.
What's
your
decision-making
structure
on
this
particular
budget?
F
What's
your
time
frame
and
so
then
where's
the
most
appropriate
place
for
resident
input
in
the
case
of
chicago
and
doing
ward
pb
with
board
budgets,
we
have
a
time
frame
right.
The
city
wants
decisions
about
what
we
call
our
menu
funds
by
a
certain
time
each
year,
it's
usually
around
the
beginning
of
march,
but
on
the
decision
making.
F
F
You
know
here
are
10
projects
that
we
can
put
on
the
ballot
that
should
they
be
selected.
Can
be
funded
can
be
implemented,
they've
already
passed
like
kind
of
those
tests,
so
that
when
we
let
residents
then
decide
it's,
whichever
projects
get
the
most
votes
until
the
funding
runs
out.
F
So
that's
like
a
structural
when
you
think
about
the
decisions,
how
that
goes
I'll.
D
Say
question
about
that
process?
If
you
don't
mind
how
do
ideas
get
onto
the
ballot?
Where
do
those
ideas
originate?
Do
those
come
from
community
members
as
well
hell.
F
In
every
process
that
I've
worked
with
the
ideas
come
from
the
community
members,
community
members
could
also
be
community
organizations
right.
So
in
a
lot
of
city-wide
processes,
it's
like
hey
this
organization.
That's
already
been
rallying
a
group
of
people
right.
Maybe
it's
a
youth
serving
organization.
Maybe
it's
a
school
right,
so
here
in
my
word,
even
it's
really
common
for
young
people
at
our
high
schools
to
to
work
with
our
office
and
then
think
of
a
project
that
hey.
F
This
is
what
the
sullivan
high
school
project
is
going
to
be,
or
the
cmsa
high
school
project
is
going
to
be,
and
in
other
cities
as
well
so
like,
but
they're
still
resident,
driven
coming
from
people
directly
and
then
those
projects,
those
after
your
idea,
collection,
go
through
proposal
development
right.
So
you
work
on
your
structure
and
your
time
frame
of
how
do
you
prioritize
projects?
F
D
F
So
it
really
depends
I'll
say
there
are
some.
There
are
some
process
limitations
that
are
built
in
one
of
your
process.
Kind
of
I'll,
say
limitations
will
be
how
many
volunteers
do
you
recruit,
because
you'll
typically
get
a
lot
of
people
who
suggest
ideas
right.
Hundreds
of
thousands
of
idea,
suggestions
that
can
come
in,
but
you're
also
working
with
community
members
to
flush
out
those
ideas.
F
F
A
project
example
of
one
of
our
projects
that
won
last
year
were
water
safety
signs
at
the
beach,
so
that
involved
working
with
the
park
district
long
story
short
the
park
district,
didn't
have
a
vendor
to
buy
the
types
of
signs
right
that
community
members
wanted
that
the
park
district
was
willing
to
install
signs
that
I
purchased
right
if
the
city
purchased
them
through
our
system,
they're
willing
to
do
it
and
then
figuring
out
your
implementation
guidelines,
but
it
took
time
right
that
took
several
weeks
to
get
answers
to
figure
out
to
go
back
and
forth
and
there's
only
so
much
time
and
attention.
F
So
it's
I
have
not
yet
seen
a
process
where
people
are
overwhelmed
by
the
number
of
projects
on
the
ballot.
Generally,
it's
the
opposite
of.
Well,
we
had
450
ideas,
but
maybe
30
of
them
made
the
ballot
because
of
the
amount
of
time
we
had
a
lot
of
times.
Community
members
will
even
try
and
group
projects
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I'll
throw
out
to
that.
This
is
usually
a
decision.
That's
made
during
a
participatory
design
process
with
your
residents.
F
F
Right
you've
got
some
restrictions
there,
so
you
can
set
goals
and
criteria
around
there
too,
that
you
want.
That
will
also
help
residents
and
committee
facilitators,
filter
projects
right
well,
hey.
This
person
wants
to
build
a
new
water
feature
at
this
playground
and
that's
a
great
idea,
and
maybe
a
case
could
be
made
to
do
that.
F
But
you
know
here
are
a
dozen
other
projects
that
are
more
aligned
with
the
goals
or
the
funding
restrictions
that
we
have
so
there's
also
a
lot
of
good
ideas
that
may
not
even
be
fully
considered
because
there
are
other
ideas
that
are
more
closely
aligned
with
what
your,
what
your
goals
are.
G
I
just
you
know
you
talk
about
the
sort
of
like
logistics
and
availability
of
time
and
stuff
kind
of
organically
narrowing
down
this
incredible
number
of
ideas
to
a
more
manageable
number
of
fleshed-out
projects.
I
would
imagine,
there's
a
really
tricky
thing
that
happens
there
right.
So
the
whole
point
of
this
is
to
completely
open
up
our
spending
decision-making
process
to
the
community
and
not
hold
it
inside.
G
You
know,
perhaps
you
know
chip
away
at
some
of
the
suspicion
and
distressed
people
feel
about
how
inside
government
decisions
get
made
and
yet,
of
course,
the
only
way
to
do
that.
Narrowing
down
process
is
to
work
directly
with
with
our
staff,
and
you
know,
take
both
their
technical
input
and
their
just
logistical
input
of
what
is
and
is
not
possible,
and
I
would
imagine
that
practically
speaking
when
that
happens,
there's
some
risk
of
you
know,
hurt
feelings
or
kind
of
tension
that
that
emerges.
F
Sure
so
I'll
give
you
an
example
of
something
new
that
we
tried
this
year
in
our
ward.
That
actually
resulted
in
a
great
example
of
like
that
not
going
well.
So
we
worked
with
our
friends
at
great
cities
institute.
I
know
you
guys
have
heard
from
the
director
taya
crum
and
who
runs
the
pb
chicago
program
and
pb
chicago,
got
funding
and
worked
with
a
group
and
put
together
a
fantastic
digital
platform
that
many
of
our
awards
here
in
chicago
used
really
great.
F
Lots
of
people
submitted
ideas
through
the
platform
and
one
of
the
things
that,
in
a
best
practice
you
do
is
everyone
who
submits
an
idea,
gets
to
figure
out
what
happened
to
their
idea
right.
If
they're,
not
volunteering
for
a
committee,
there's
some
kind
of
paper
trail.
They
know
what
happened
to
their
idea
right
if
you've
got
their
contact
information,
so
they
can
see
where
it's
advanced
or
where
it's
not
advanced.
F
There's
the
possibility,
within
this
platform,
for
staff,
to
kind
of
go
in
the
back
end
and
give
updates
on
things
or
for
committee
members
write
our
volunteers
to
do
it.
We
weren't
able
to
do
that
this
year,
so
we
had
some
several
residents
who
were
upset.
They
were
like
hey.
I
never
heard
what
happened
to
my
idea
and
so
that's
an
example
of
things
that
very
commonly
can
happen.
F
Mayor
best,
some
of
the
best
practices
and
when
we've
done
it
well-
and
we
have
said
every
project
that
gets
submitted
for
consideration
like
we
have
a
log
of
it.
So
typically
we
have
in
my
office
we
have
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
my
staff
are
the
people
who
do
the
first
pass
of
just.
Is
this
project
eligible
by
the
rules
of
the
funding
or
ineligible?
So
that's
like
a
category
that
we
use
and
we
explain
this
right
right
up
front
during
all
of
our
kind
of
community
assemblies,
the
neighborhood
assemblies.
F
So
we
have
capital
restricted
funds.
If
you
want
to
fund
a
basketball
program,
that
is
just
ineligible,
so
you
know
it
goes
in
the
ineligible
list
and
it
just
doesn't
go
any
further
and
here's.
Why
now
how
you
collect
ideas,
whether
you
get
contact
information
for
people
is
another
process
choice
a
lot
of
times
in
previous
years,
when
we're
doing
things
in
person
or
we're
having
collection
drop
boxes
at
the
library
or
something
you
don't
always
get
contact
information,
but
we
like
to
publicly
share
it
right.
F
So,
if
you
think
about
a
website
or
a
platform
where,
after
idea,
collection,
you
can
just
show
people
without
contact
information,
hey
here's!
The
thousand
ideas
we
got
here
are
the
200
that
are
eligible
based
on
these
guidelines
for
arpa
funds,
and
these
are
the
ones
that
are
going
to
go
for
in
the
committee
once
projects
get
into
the
committee,
we
have
project
forms
for
those
residents
and
we
give
them
criteria
on
which
to
evaluate
so
here
in
chicago.
We
ask
them
to
evaluate
impact,
to
evaluate
equity
and
to
evaluate
need
in
our
communities.
F
So
thinking
about
at
the
ward
level,
it's
easy
and
you
could
apply
this
to
your
city
level,
but
you
know
hey,
there's
a
you
know,
there's
a
proposal
here,
for
you
know
doing
street
light
improvements.
You
know
around
around
the
ward
and
maybe
in
this
specific
area,
so
we'll
ask
residents
to
look
at
well
find
out
when's
the
last
time
those
street
lights
were
improved
right.
Here's
some
factual
information
maybe
go
take
some
pictures.
What
what
do
those
street
lights
look
like?
Are
they
the
new
kind,
the
old
kind?
F
What
can
we
assess
you
know
from
the
office?
They
could
ask
us.
You
know
where
are
the
other
hot
spots
in
the
area
right
where
we
get
311
complaints
about
darkness
or
not
a
lot
of
light,
and
so
that
conversation
gives
them
information
and
we
actually
have
a
a
tool
that
we've
used
with
pb
chicago.
It's
literally
a
little
point
system
right.
F
It's
almost
like
what
you
might
do
with
an
rfp,
but
it's
a
simplified
system
of
letting
people
score
them
and
we
ask
them
to
score
like
fill
out
a
project
proposal
form
for
everyone.
There's
a
paper
trail.
Every
project
that's
eligible,
gets
considered.
F
D
G
D
Easy
answer
here,
but
that
is
a
definite
challenge
that
we're
going
to
have
to
kind
of
pre-screen
ideas
before
we
even
get
submitted.
So
we're
not
obligated
to
you
know,
respond
back
to
every
idea
that
people
have
if
it's
not
biological.
E
D
A
Thought
is
that
with
arpa
and
the
clear
guidelines,
sometimes
that
makes
that
process
a
bit.
Well
I
mean
sarah,
you
can
maybe
open
more.
F
A
Clear
and
not
clear,
but
I
think
the
guidelines
are
fairly
fairly.
You
know,
with
the
new
rule
the
final
ruling
fairly
clear
at
this
point
and
fairly
flexible,
but
I
think
that
actually
makes
the
job
easier,
because
we
know
this
is
either
eligible
or
ineligible
kind
of
off
the
bat
and
can
kind
of
really
separate
the
wheat
from
the.
E
And
I
think
that
there
are
potential
goals
that
we
can
set
around
the
goals
of
arpa,
which
I
think
actually
align
very
well
with
our
community
goals
in
some
ways,
and
that
is
helping-
I
mean
arpa,
you
can
do
lots
of
things,
but
you
can
do
certain
things
only
when
you
show
you
are
helping
a
disparately
impacted
community,
which
is
largely
easily
defined
as
low
income
and
people
of
color,
and
there's
also
a
thing
that
a
mapping
tool
that
came
out
from
the
white
house
to
show
geographic
areas
that
they
have
identified
as
potentially
you
know
to
be
focused
on
for
arpa
because
of
the
income
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
E
So
we
might
even
have
I
mean
it
would
be
possible
to
consider
certain
geographic
areas,
especially
if
we
were
looking
for
certain
type
of
capital
things
you
know
to
kind
of,
and
then
there
are
certain
things
like
I
mean
I'm
just
gonna,
throw
out
some
things
that
everybody's
been
talking
about
like
mental
health
needs
that
actually
went
from
being
a
focused
on
disparately
impacted
groups
in
the
interim
rule
to
being
like
no
whoever
needs
it
in.
E
In
the
final
rule,
because
I
think
they
realized
by
that
time
that
the
stress
is
on
everybody,
so
I
mean
they
were,
did
you
ever
see
breaking
into
like
here
is
a
sort
of
capital
fund
area
and
it
might
be
for
certain
geographic
areas
or
for
certain
specific
needs,
like
one
of
our
carp
goals
is
retrofitting.
E
So
I'm
not
saying
those
have
to
be
out
of
participatory
budgeting,
but
I'm
trying
to
give
examples
of
you
know:
do
you
see
that
as
being
a
way
of
helping
focus
and
maybe
manage
to
some
extent
and
and
and
one
of
the
challenges
about
federal
funding
is
small
amounts
of
money
are
very
hard
to
manage,
and
so
we
might
end
up
with
a
different
type
of
budget
threshold.
E
Just
because
you
know
we
have
to
track
everything
and
show
the
federal
government
and
have
source
documents
and
stuff
it's
kind
of
like
you
know,
there's
a
point
where
we'll
just
so.
Maybe
we
try
to
do
something
like
impact
from
a
standpoint
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
helped
or
something
so
that
we
end
up
focusing.
E
But
we
also
may
have
longer
term
that
we
can
look
at
because
we
have
until
december
31st
2024
to
obligate
funds,
which
means
we
have
to
have
a
concrete
written
agreement
of
how
it's
going
to
be
expended
by
then.
All.
D
D
Involve
limiting
the
money
that
we
were
running
through,
participatory
budgeting
to
just
one
or
two
of
the
of
the
eligible
buckets
just
to
make
it
an
a
manageable
process.
F
One
one
thing
I'll
share
and
I'll
say:
I've
worked
with
countless
cities
where
people
have
these
like
completely
reasonable
concerns
and
also
starting
from
a
place
where
you're,
already
kind
of
restricting
is
going
to
limit.
Where
you
can
go
with
this,
and
it's
also
going
to
make
your
program
less
attractive
to
your
residents.
F
You
don't,
if
I'm
a
resident,
suggesting
an
idea,
I
do
not
have
to
know.
I
do
not
have
to
know
what
the
arpa
fund
restrictions
are
one
of
the
great
things
and
that
I
would
recommend
and
just
for
clarification
of
like
a
best
practice
and
processes.
It's
not
your
volunteers
who
are
deciding
what's
eligible
or
ineligible.
It
is
your
staff
right,
it's
it's!
Sarah!
It's
matthew!
Those
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
make
those
decisions.
F
Hopefully
in
your
process
it's
an
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
civic
education.
I'll
say
I
very
much
recall
sitting
through
my
first
neighborhood
assembly
and
capital
stuff
is
pretty
cut
and
dry.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
see
a
lot
more
instances
in
the
us
around
that
it
was
very
clear,
a
powerpoint
presentation
with
like
a
little
x
that
would
pop
up
and
like
sound
right
like
this,
is
what's
here's
examples
of
ineligible
or
eligible,
and
it
did
make
it
really
clear.
F
So
so,
council
member
you're
100
correct
on
like
on
the
public
front
like
when
you
guys
finally
have
something
that
you're
ready
to
introduce
to
people
clear,
simple.
You
don't
need
it
to
be
complicated.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
a
whole
background
education
on
arpa,
but
it
can
be
right
on
a
kind
of
a
side
piece
for
folks
who
are
interested.
F
But,
having
like
your
your
trusted,
staff
who
can
manage
the
information
is,
is
going
to
be
key,
but
for
for
residents
you
can
just
say:
hey
we're
we're
doing
a
pb
process,
and
we
want
ideas
that
are
going
to.
You
know
benefit
the
the
most
number
of
evanstonians
that
are
going
to
help
people
who've
been
disproportionately
impacted
by
covid
and
that
align
with
whatever
xyz
our
kind
of
city.
Priorities
are
from
our
city
plan
that
we've
got.
F
You
can
make
it
as
simple
as
that,
but
then
you
guys
are
still
the
ones
who
are
filtering
and
kind
of
saying.
Okay.
Well,
this
this
project
meets
our
federal
guidelines.
You
might
consider
to
sarah's
point
again
with
with
the
federal
processing
you
might
consider
things
like
minimum
project
sizes.
So
again,
a
lot
of
our
projects
are
capital,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
capital.
F
Pro
capital
projects
are
always
very
expensive,
but
if
you
are
going
to
open
it
up
to
programmatic
things,
which
is
also
something
they
do
in
new
york
city,
so
in
pbnyc
they
do
programmatic
things,
but
sometimes
they
do
have
stipulations
of
must
be.
At
least
you
know,
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
fifty
thousand
dollars
again
to
sarah,
your
point
of
making
sure
that
it's
efficient.
D
Yeah,
I
do
think
that
we're
not
expecting
the
community
to
become
arpa
experts,
but
we
do
need
to
provide
the
community
some
information
to
guide
them
in
the
right
direction.
So
they're
not
giving
us
150
000
ideas
that
there's
no
way
we
can
consider
and
they'll
feel
excluded
from
the
process,
because
we're
shooting
half
of
the
stuff
down.
F
Have
you
all
checked
out
some
of
the
websites
from
pbnyc
or
pb
oakland
from
the
youth
process
in
boston?
They
have
a
lot
of
great
information,
videos,
examples
materials,
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
had
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
look
into
those,
because
it's
really
nice
to
see
at
this
point
12
years
into
pb
in
the
u.s.
You
guys
are
in
really
good
company
with
a
lot
of
folks
who
have
answered
a
lot
of
these
really
tough
questions
and
have
a
lot
of
great
examples.
F
But
I'd
really
recommend
checking
out
some
of
their
websites
for
some
of
the
video
and
information,
especially
the
the
boston
process.
Youth
lead
the
change,
so
they
were
the
first
city-wide
pb
process
that
was
youth
focused.
F
So
there
they
let
all
the
residents
in
the
city
were
able
to
suggest
ideas
and
volunteer
on
committees,
but
the
only
people
that
got
to
decide
and
vote
were
young
people,
so
they
have.
They
already
had
kind
of
a
great
youth
leadership
program
and
like
a
mayor's
youth
council,
and
they
had
a
structure
and
infrastructure
for
that.
D
D
Sarah
director,
stoneback
70
project
seems
like
it's
fairly
big
number
for
staff
to
be
able
to
effectively
manage
understanding
that
if
50
is
the
minimum,
there
might
be
one
project.
That's
you
know
1.3
million
and
we're
probably
not
going
to
have
70
projects,
but
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
some
feedback
from
staff
as
to
the
number
of
projects
that
are
approved
by
this,
like
what
do
you
have
the
the
bandwidth
to
manage.
E
And
that's
a
tough
one,
because
I
I
mean
I'm
going
to
say
certain
infrastructure
things,
for
example,
might
be
done
by
city
and
then
it's
a
question
of
you
know
dave
and
his
I'm
just
going
to
make
one
up
like
sidewalks
in
areas
where
we
don't
have
sidewalks,
because
walking
is
healthy,
helps
people
avoid
covid
that
type
of
thing,
and
so
we
know
that
making
our
city
more
walkable
is
a
goal.
So
how
would
that
play
into
it
and
how
could
that
be
done
by
the
city?
E
You
know
I
mean
we've
got
to
manage
that
way
and
then,
when
we
do
think
about
social
services,
then
we're
likely
working
with
social
service
providers
in
most
cases
trying
to
figure
out
what
they
can
provide.
So
I
you
know
I'm
kind
of
like
I
guess
I
need
to
look
at.
I
think
you
said
new
york
is
doing
that.
So
maybe
we
kind
of
need
to
see
what
type
of
thing
they're
doing,
because
that
would
maybe
help
me
figure
out
what
might
be
manageable.
D
If
I
could
interrupt
for
the
council
members
on
the
phone
regardless
of
of
city,
do
you
guys
anticipate
something
as
concrete
as
if
it's
sidewalks,
for
instance,
we
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
will
get
us.
You
know
dempster
street
between
you
know
wesley
and
dewey,
and
we're
voting
on
that
specifically
as
opposed
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
sidewalk
fund.
A
Yeah
and
but
to
come
to
council
member
hedden's
point,
I
think
you
know
if
there
are
let's
say,
there's
three
or
four
or
five
different
sidewalk
projects
that
come
in
and
they're
each
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
You
could
group
all
of
those
together
as
one
large
you
know:
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
yeah
yeah.
G
D
So
as
we're
kind
of
brainstorming,
this
collectively
here,
I
would
like
to
look
to
existing
bccs,
who
are
already
having
our
conversations
and
ask
them
for
projects.
Ask
them
for
their
suggestions,
nominations
for
the
participatory
budgeting
ballot.
D
Yeah,
in
addition
to
that,
not
to
shortcut
citizen
input
directly,
not
at
all,
but
you
know
we've
got,
we
do
have
citizens
on
these
bcc's
and
taking
input
from
those
groups.
I
think
would
be
we.
B
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
we,
you
know,
certainly
want
to
make
sure
the
the
process
is,
is
manageable.
But
for
me
the
most
important
thing
is
that
this
is
attractive
to
residents
and
and
particularly
residents
that
don't
currently
participate
in
government
in
any
way.
Like
that's
the
group
that
I
really
want
to
serve
with
this
with
this
process,
and
so
I
just
want
to
keep
that
on
on
the
forefront
of
our
mind
as
as
we
design
this
and
then.
Lastly,
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
we
are
not
the
good
thing
about.
B
This
is
we're
not
alone,
as
councilmember
haddon
said
they
are.
There
are
many
examples
of
other
cities
and
schools
doing
this,
and
so,
although
it
feels
new
and
uncertain
to
us,
I
think
we're
a
phone
call
away
from
getting
somebody
in
new
york
in
other
areas
to
hop
on
a
call
with
us
and
say:
oh
no,
we
have
that
same
concern
and
here's
how
we
addressed
it
so
again.
I
know
it
it's
new
for
us,
but
you
know
this
is
good
information,
but
but
understand
that
we're
a
phone
call
away
from
likely.
B
All
of
these
questions
that
have
been
posed
today
have
a
very
clear
and
specific
answers
that
can
relieve
some
of
the
uncertainty
that
we're
feeling
now,
if.
A
I
can
just
quickly
jump
in
for
time
management.
I
do
want
to
keep
us
on
time
here,
so
I
think
the
rfp
discussion
shouldn't
be
more
than
five
to
ten
minutes
unless
there's
real
big
concerns,
so
I
just
we'll
have
like
five
to
five
or
ten
more
minutes
for
this
discussion.
E
E
If
that's
a
good
thing,
if
anybody's
done
that,
like
do
you
ever
do
a
kind
of
pilot
or
have
you
seen
any
any
organization
or
any
city
or
community,
try
to
do
that
in
stage
in
many
cases,
it's
probably
tied
to
like
a
a
budget
year
and
ours
isn't
that
way.
So
I'm
wondering
if,
if,
if
that
gives
us
a
little
different
consideration,
you
know.
F
You're
right
it
gives
you
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
more
freedom,
some
things
at
all,
and
this
is
again
implementation.
Hat
pb
does
take
a
lot
of
work
and
time
and
resources.
I
would
if
you
were
to
think
about
the
flexibility
that
you're
not
tied
to
a
budget
cycle
one.
If
I
were
you,
I
would
map
out.
F
When
does
your
budget
cycle?
Look
like
what
kind
of
happen
right?
This
isn't
me
asking
but
map
that
out
really
of
like
when
are
when
are
council
members
attentions
focused
on
the
city
budget
when
our
city
resources
and
things
so
think
about
kind
of
the
resource
allocation
community
focus
and
attention?
You
could
use
this
process
that's
running
kind
of
parallel.
F
You
could
still
time
it
on
something
in
order
to
amplify,
engage
people
around
that
process,
or
you
could
say
we
don't
want
to
do
it
during
this
time
frame
because
it'll
be
confusing
right
and
we
want
to
do
something
over
a
different
time
frame.
So
those
are
some
considerations.
F
I'll
say
if
you
check
out
the
city
of
durham
north
carolina,
so
durham
has
the
largest
pb
process
in
north
carolina,
and
this
is
my
favorite
thing
that
I'm
going
to
keep
pushing
in
chicago.
They
do
theirs
with
city
funds,
but
they
move
to
a
two-year
budget
cycle.
Like
isn't
that
a
dream
I'm
like
why.
F
This
every
year
we
could
do
it
every
two
years
and
that's
not
just
for
pb.
That's
like
their
city
budget
right,
there's
so
few
things
that
really
change
year-over-year.
They
do
two-year
budget
cycle,
which
means
that
thinking
about
an
implementation
dream
is
having
more
time
to
do
one
process
and
to
do
it
well,
so
I
would
caution
against
doing
multiple
processes
like
hey,
let's
do
a
pilot
and
then
let's
try
and
do
this-
you
could
try
it,
but
I'll
say
that
you
know
think
about
what
the
cost
benefit
is
to
that
right.
F
F
F
They're
probably
a
good
example
of
a
more
similar
size,
citywide
process
and
then
as
it
as
you
look
to
program
costs
programmatic
things,
a
lot
of
the
examples
from
nyc
did
come
from
existing
organizations
so,
but
that
was
a
that
was
a
benefit
and
to
council
member
burns's
point
that
also
helped
to
get
a
lot
of
residents
engaged,
who
weren't
normally
engaged
right,
so
a
notable
project
I
forget
which
district
it
was
at
nyc,
but
from
a
few
years
ago
it
was
one
of
their
health
centers
that
got
mobile
like
a
mobile
medical
ban
right,
it's
fantastic,
serving
a
particular
community
that
really
needed
it,
and
this
nonprofit
health
center
was
able
to
get
this
mobile
medical
van.
F
And
now
this
was
a
great
pb
project.
They
engaged
folks.
There
was
another
one:
a
community
sitter,
getting
like
a
new
ultrasound
machine
right,
a
lot
of
great
people
who
get
involved,
get
involved
around
their
schools.
F
So
thinking
about
those
things,
a
community
center
or
organization
or
kind
of
institution
can
be
a
great
partner
in
activating
a
lot
of
residents
who
may
not
be
directly
connected
to
government,
but
that
are
like.
Oh,
this
is,
like
you
know
the
place
that
does
my
kids,
you
know
little
league
baseball
team-
and
I
didn't
even
know
about
this,
but
now
they're
getting
me
engaged.
You
know
this
is
where
I
go
to.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
keeping
the
floor
open
for
either
mayor
best,
matthew
or
director
man,
interim
manager,
interim.
E
A
Manager
stoneback,
but
otherwise.
H
A
One
question
as
well:
I
am
curious,
so
are
in
the
processes
that
you
have
seen
either.
H
A
Or
in
your
work
are,
is
there
is
a
space
for
council
members
for
for
members
of
this
body,
for
example,
to
get
proposals
on
the
ballot
as
well?
So,
for
example,
let's
just
say
for
example,
for
example,
we
have
a
an
ask
that
is
going
to
come
before
the
council
for
a
million
dollars
for
a
a
a
community
hub
called
the
ox.
An
entrepreneurship
hub.
A
You
know
is
that
something
could
have
you
seen
processes
where
councils
or
whatever
the
governing
body
has
placed
an
item
on
the
ballot
kind
of
unilaterally
as
just
one
of
the
options,
and
would
you
recommend
against
that
or
are
you.
F
I
I
haven't
seen
it.
I
don't
think
we've
had
as
many
opportunities
with
the
types
of
budgets
that
at
least
our
us
experiences
I've
gone
to,
and
my
first
reaction
is
like
no
don't
do
that
right,
but
but
I'll
say
I
think
that,
specifically
with
arpa
dollars,
there
might
be
some
interesting
opportunities
for
it.
The
thing
that
you'll
want
to
guard
against
is
you
guys
know
attaching
things
to
elected
officials
right,
it
can
become
problematic
and
become
political.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
things
there,
but
maybe
things
that
are
initiatives
of
different
departments.
That's
really
common
so
I'll
say,
is
very
common
in
in
especially
city-wide
pv
processes
to
ask
like
the
different
department,
because
residents
want
to
know
like
hey.
We
want
to
do
this
thing.
Do
you
have
a?
Do?
You
have
a
wish
list?
F
You
know,
oftentimes
departments
do
have
ideas,
maybe
to
address
certain
issues.
They've
been
there's
no
taking
the
same
request
from
residents
for
like
a
decade,
but
they
haven't
had
the
budget
right
to
do
it
or
when
they
put
that
item
the
city
manager
cuts
it
out
because
there's
not
the
funding
for
it.
F
So
I've
definitely
worked
with
processes
where
departments
have
been
asked
like
what's
a
thing
that
you've
really
wanted
to
do
to
address
this
community
issue,
but
we
haven't
had
the
funding
for
and
then
them
going
through
the
same
process
of
being
able
to
kind
of
present
and
stand
up
their
ideas.
I.
F
D
Commissions
should
yeah
projects,
question
alderman
when
items
do
go
on
the
ballot
is
the
name
of
the
nominator
attached
to
them.
F
We
recommend
against
that.
So
generally
ballot
items
are
anonymous
and
this
is
going
to
come
to
some
specifics
of
different
places
of
scale
right
of
kind
of
who's
involved
in
your
process.
It's
really
easy
at
a
local
level
and
even
at
a
smaller
city
level,
to
just
like
this
is
the
projects
usually
get
done
by
a
committee.
F
So
maybe
I
maria
hadn't,
submitted
an
idea
at
the
beginning
to
put
more
showers
at
the
the
beach
parks
right
to
make
it
easier
for
me
to
not
have
sandy
kids
get
back
in
my
car
right,
maria
hadn't
idea.
That's
what
I
want
to
see,
but
that
project
once
deemed
eligible
by
a
city
person
who
says
okay,
we
can
use
funds
for
this.
That
goes
to
a
committee
and
a
committee
of
of
residents
right
kind
of
look
through
that
and
they
decide
whether
they're
going
to
champion
it.
F
Now
I
might
join
that
committee
and
I
might
be
a
big
champion
of
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
it
passes
muster
and
it
makes
the
ballot
it's
a
ballot-
that's
come
from
that
parks,
committee
right
or
the
recreation
committee.
It.
A
C
A
Have
just
a.
C
Quick
one
in
your
experience,
working
as
part
of
the
participatory
budgeting
project.
When
you
are
working
with
cities,
can
you
just
give
an
estimate
of
what
sort
of
staffing
requirements
for
the
city
you
saw
and
how
big
of
a
role
you
played
as
well.
F
I'll
give
you
an
example,
so,
for
the
last
full
city
I
worked
with,
was
greensboro
and
comparable
they're
they're
a
bit
larger
than
evanston
right,
but
still
a
typical
budget,
and
this
might
change
with
inflation
a
little
bit,
but
we
kind
of
recommend
for
hey
outreach
and
materials
and
kind
of
costs
to
look
at
like
a
dollar
per
resident
right
for
kind
of
material
program
cost
for
staffing.
F
You
might
have
a
project
coordinator
who
works
for
them,
but
they
really
push
people
to
have
local
people,
be
their
staff
so,
like
we
might
fundraise
or
work
with
the
city
through
a
contract
to
maybe
manage
or
guide
or
train
people,
but
ultimately
they're,
not
like
people
that
the
pb
project
hires
there
would
be
local
evanston
people
right
that
get
this
contract
to
do
this
work
and
work
and
engage
with
the
city
but
yeah.
F
You
know
two,
two
staffers,
you
know:
full-time
equivalence
is
really
helpful
and
has
been
at
least
for
three
years
in
greensboro
worked
pretty
well
on
kind
of
managing
and
interfacing
and
again
thinking
and
some
considerations
will
be.
Are
these
people
who
are
external
to
the
city
of
evanston?
Is
this
in
addition
to
internal
staff?
Who
will
be
a
liaison
in
that
greensboro
example?
We
had
two
staff
members
from
greensboro
that
were
hired,
and
then
we
had
a
liaison
with
the
budget
department
internal
to
the
city.
F
So
there's
there's
a
few
different
options:
there's
no
one
right
way,
but
yeah.
D
A
All
and
thank
you
matthew
for
that
question.
This
is
all
extremely
helpful,
and
I
think
this
is
I
I
think
I've
come
out
with
a
clear
road
map
than
we've
had
before.
So
thank
you,
alderman
hadden,
for
all
the.
A
For
for
joining
us
and
and
giving
us
testimony.
F
Fantastic
good
luck
and
don't
be
a
stranger.
F
A
You
know
our
next
meeting,
we
can
come
back
with
in
the
beginnings
of
a
plan
and
maybe
we'll
hold
off
one
meeting
and
maybe
matthew
and
and
I
and
whoever.
A
C
A
Which
is
to
approve
the
rfp,
which
seems
pretty
straightforward,
seems
pretty
boilerplate.
A
Someone
that
comes
from
renews,
my
seconded
by
me,
mayor,
biss,
okay,
are
there
any?
Is
there
any
discussion
regarding
the
rfb.
A
Yeah,
there's
yeah
so
matthew
did
you
need
direction
on
on
those
blanks,
or
I
mean,
I
think,
mostly
dates
that
would
coincide
with
us
approving
here.
C
Yeah,
so
there
are
just
some
right,
like
you
said,
councilmember
newsma,
some
blanks
that
need
to
be
filled
in,
but
mostly
what
I
was
hoping
was.
Maybe
any
comments
on
the
scope
of
services.
If
there
were
any
things
like
that
that,
if
you
all
saw
something
that
you
think
should
be
there,
that
isn't
or
on
things
that
are
there,
that
you
don't
think
should
be
there.
A
I
don't
have
a
ton
of
director
stone
back
if
you're
able
to
pop
in.
H
A
Just
honestly,
don't
have
a
ton
of
rfp
experience,
and
so
my
the
after
you
know
going
through
it.
What
I
do
wonder
is
you
know,
given
that
there
are
only
a
few
places,
a
few
entities.
D
A
That
perform
this
work.
Can
we
make
the
rfp
a
bit
less
formal
and
just
a
bit
simpler?
I
don't
know
if
that's.
H
It's
my
understanding
that
to
comply
with
arpa
funding
requirements
that
we
have
to
use
our
standard.
Excuse
me:
okay,
procurement
protocol,
and
we
are
using
the
standard
procedure
in
this
request.
Work
proposal.
A
Okay,
well,
that
was
my
only
only
question
about
any
concern.
Is
there
anything
else,
I'm
sorry
matthew.
Anything
else.
Do
you
want
a
direction.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
I
have
been
working
with
dave
on
this.
I'm
getting
it
sorted
out
so
yeah.
If,
if.
A
Okay
reason:
we
have
a
roll
call
council
member.
A
D
A
Councilmember
burns
hi
mayor
best,
all
right,
aye
there
we
go
and
then
myself,
I
you
guys,
have
it
all
right,
then
our
if
I
just
want
to
very
quickly
recap
what
do
folks
think
our
next
meeting
is
it
beginning
to
figure
out
the
actual
structure
of
the
the
citizen
committee?
Is
it
just
more
so
figuring
out
the
staff
requirements
and
a
timeline,
or
what
do
you
where?
Where
do
you
think
we
are
now
and
what's
our
next
next
bricks
away.
A
Do
we
still
need
more
information?
I
mean
obviously
we're
waiting
for
we
wait
and
see.
You
know
what
we
receive
from
the
rfp
that
likely
that
would
be
in
I
guess
a
month
from
now.
Maybe
if
we
can
shut
it.
G
Yeah,
I
guess
that's
the
question
is
what
what
conversations
do
we
not
want
to
have
until
that
is
resolved?
You
know,
certainly
my
instinct
is
that
we're
ready
to
talk
about
a
lot
of
different
aspects
of
this,
but
if
we,
if
we
want
to
wait
until
we
have
some
sort
of
partner
secured,
I
would
understand
that
too.
A
Okay
and
and
sarah
and
dave
and
matthew.
A
A
H
I
I
think
that,
once
we
turn
it
into
purchasing
that
they'll
take
a
week
before
they
will
advertise
it.
I
think
that
purchasing
will
require
at
least
two
weeks
for
the
people
to
prepare
a
response.
A
Okay,
so
then
it
seems
that
if
we
were
to
meet
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we
skip
our
next
meeting
and
just
meet
a
month
from
now
when
we
have
responses
to
the
rfp,
or
do
we
have
a
meeting
in
between
which
would
be
just
following
the
normal
schedule.
B
I
personally
think
a
month
is
fine.
If
staff
has
the
capacity
to
do
additional
research,
so
we've
heard
a
lot
today
and
there's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
we
can
get
answered
by
reaching
out
to
other
jurisdictions
or
doing
this
work.
I
can
think
of
several.
You
know
questions
that
I
would
have
for
people
who,
actually
you
know,
run
pb
processes.
B
So
as
long
as
that
research
is
happening
in
between
this
meeting
and
the
next
meeting,
I
think
we
can,
you
know,
hold
off
a
month
and
we
can
send
questions
that
we
may
have
to
whoever
I
don't
know
if
it's
sarah
or
you
know
whatever
staff
member
is
paying
point
on
this.
We
can
all
send
our
questions
to
them
and
and
get
an
update
in
the
month.
A
Yeah,
I
think
to
me
in
that
right
is
what
I
would
assume
to
send
the
questions
to
matt
and
I
and
then
we'll
go.
A
Okay,
so
then
we'll
we'll
meet
in
a
month
and
we'll
have
the
rfps
to
to
review,
and
we
will,
I
guess,
maybe
have
maybe
one
one
more
presentation
from
folks
that
are
out
of
town,
doing
it
to
answer
some
more
questions
and
I
think
we'll
be
ready
to
start
rolling
from
there.