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Plan Commission 01/8/2014
A
B
C
Thanks
Melissa,
as
she
mentioned,
I
I
was
the
village
of
down
to
zero.
Before
here,
I
was
there
for
about
seven
and
a
half
years
or
so
so.
I
was
staffing.
The
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
the
plan
commission
so
seems
like
I
will
be
staffing.
This
commission
from
now
on,
I
think
starting
next
month,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
meeting
all
of
you
and
there's
any
questions.
Obviously
let
us
know
welcome.
D
A
G
A
E
A
B
Evening,
commissioners,
at
the
november
20th
2013
zoning
committee
meeting
staff
and
the
zoning
committee
members
discussed
a
proposed
text
amendment
to
alter
the
definition
for
educational
institutions
to
allow
the
zoning
definition
to
cover
vocational
training
facilities.
Coming
out
of
that
meeting,
the
zoning
committee,
as
well
as
staff
head
now,
has
a
new
recommendation
to
make
business
or
vocational
schools
its
own
zoning
definition
with
its
own
zoning
use
land
use
regulations.
B
So
at
this
point
the
recommendation
is
to
allow
business
or
vocational
schools
as
special
uses
in
all
our
B
D
I
0
at
0,
RP
and
T
districts
and
permitted
uses
in
all
see
em
and
you
districts.
The
use
categories
follow
the
similar
regulations
of
educational
institutions,
except
that
within
the
industrial
districts,
the
office
district
and
the
research
park.
B
Educational
educational
institutions
are
not
allowed
or
special
they're,
not
permitted
or
special
uses.
However,
for
business
or
vocational
schools,
they
would
now
be
special
uses
in
the
I
districts
and
s
districts
and
research
park
districts.
The
idea
is
that
certain
business
or
vocational
schools
may
be
of
an
intensity
that
fits
well
with
those
districts.
For
instance,
there
could
be
a
business
or
vocational
school
that
teaches
automobile
repair
that
could
potentially
be
a
good
use
for
an
industrial
area.
We
wouldn't
typically
be
seeing
young
kids
doing
something
like
that.
B
Wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
that
type
of
situation
occurring.
So,
in
addition
to
those
land
use
regulations,
we
are
proposing
the
definition
for
business
or
vocational
school,
which
would
be
a
privately
owned
or
publicly
owned,
post-secondary
school
other
than
a
community
college
or
four-year
college
university
institution
providing
occupational
or
job
skills
in
a
variety
of
technical
subjects
and
trades
for
specific
occupations.
A
B
E
B
Additionally,
just
to
mention
there
is
a
facility
that
is
in
the
process
of
opening
at
990
Grove
that
it
is
currently
opening
at
a
very
small
scale
as
a
what
would
be
a
business
or
vocational
school
at
this
small
scale,
similar
to
other
uses
in
the
city.
We
considered
an
office
use,
but
they
are
looking
to
expand
to
a
couple
hundred
students,
at
which
point
we
would
want
to
have
this
definition
and
you
set
up.
G
Chairman
I
think
we've
got
a
little
grammatical
problem
in
the
definition
that
might
have
create
a
substantive
problem:
a
privately
owned
or
public
Leon
post-secondary
school,
a
singular,
providing
occupational
or
job
skills
in
a
variety
of
technical
subjects.
If
I
read
that
correctly,
it
would
mean
that
a
school
offering
only
one
technical
subject
didn't
meet
the
standard.
I
think
what
we
mean
is
offering
providing
occupational
or
job
skills
in
one
or
more
technical
subjects
and
trades
I.
D
G
G
A
A
G
B
The
next
proposed
text
amendment
relates
to
the
regulation
of
air
conditioning
equipment.
Currently,
air
conditioning
equipment
is
regulated
as
not
being
allowed
in
front
yards
and
with
a
10-foot
step
back
from
side
and
rear
yards.
This
has
proved
to
be
a
problem
for
many
homeowners
and
has
become
a
hardship
on
staff,
given
the
number
of
variance
requests
that
have
come
in.
B
Given
the
typical
zoning
lot
in
evanston,
many
Lots
are
not
wide
and
when
you
look
at
adding
a
10-foot
setback
on
each
side,
there's
a
very
small
area
where
you
can
place
an
air
conditioning
unit
and
then,
if
you
add
in
a
typical
deck
or
patio,
it
often
becomes
impossible
for
residents
to
comply.
Thus
they
seek
variances.
In
the
past
year,
staff
has
received
I
believe
seven
variance,
requests
for
air
conditioners
and
six
of
those
were
approved
and
the
majority
of
them
are
somewhat
close
to
ten
feet.
They
just
can't
make
that
ten
feet.
B
So,
following
the
November
20th
2013
committee
meeting
city
staff
and
the
zoning
committee
make
the
following
recommendation.
We
are
suggesting
that
the
general
rule
of
thumb
is
changing.
The
10-foot
setback
to
an
eight
foot
setback.
However,
it
can
be
lowered
to
a
six
foot
setback
when
air
conditioning
equipment
is
located
within
two
feet
of
the
principle
structure
and
obscured
from
view
by
screening
methods
such
as
landscaping.
B
Additionally,
we
are
suggesting
that,
when
there
is
an
interior
side
yard
that
abuts
an
ally
of
at
least
eight
feet
in
width,
that
setback
can
drop
to
four
feet
when
the
unit
is
within
two
feet
of
the
principle
structure
and
screened
appropriately
and
when
in
a
street
side
yard.
So
that
would
be
it's
not
your
front
yard.
But
you
are
budding
a
street.
We
are
suggesting
that
you
can
have
a
four
foot
setback
also
when
located
within
two
feet
of
the
principal
structure
and
appropriately
landscaped.
B
The
idea
behind
these
regulations
is
that
number
one
given
the
noise
regulations
that
are
stated
in
the
mechanical
code
decibel
levels
for
common
units
should
not
exceed
what
that.
What
that
noise
level
is
when
at
the
property
line
and
that's
described
in
a
little
more
detail
in
the
chart
showing
decibel
levels
in
the
packet
and
that
with
proper
screening
noise
shouldn't
be
so
much
of
an
issue
when
you're
adjacent
to
an
alley
or
a
street
side
yard.
E
B
Has
been
10
feet
since
at
least
the
1993
zoning,
or
no,
and
just
to
note
additionally,
one
thing
that
was
not
discussed
at
the
zoning
committee
level,
that
is
a
recommendation
tonight.
There
is
currently
a
regulation
in
the
zoning
code
that
gives
a
five
foot
setback
for
window
air
conditioners.
In
my
time
with
the
city
that
has
never
come
up,
there
have
not
been
any
complaints
on
it.
It
would
be
an
awfully
difficult
thing
to
enforce
most
houses
in
Evanston
if
they
have
a
window
unit,
that
window
unit
would
be
within
five
feet.
It's
just.
B
E
Have
issue
with
the
side
of
the
house
adjacent
to
another
house
from
from
I'm
a
decimal
perspective
and
I?
Don't
necessarily
think
screening
helps
because
someone
was
up
and
most
air
conditioning
units
have
that
fan
and
the
sound
goes
up
and
there's
no
way
to
screen
people
generally,
don't
screen
against
that.
So
if
you
have
a
neighbor
next
year,
that's
got
a
unit
and
there's
a
fence
between
you
and
that
unit.
That
can
be
a
an
effective
screen
if
your
if
your
bedroom
is
above,
that
unit
are.
E
E
A
G
B
To
clarify,
in
the
case
when
you
have
two
houses
next
to
each
other,
that
would
be
an
interior
side
yard.
So
the
proposal
is
that
it
would
be
either
an
eight
foot
setback
if
there
is
no
screening
or
a
sick,
six
foot
step
back.
If
there
is
screening
and
and
eat
at
the
eight
foot
distance
according
to
the
decibel
level
chart,
they
would
be
in
compliance
with
what
the
suspected
maximum
decibel
level
would
be,
so
it
it
would
be
close
with
if
you're
talking
about
six
feet
with
landscaping.
F
F
B
So
so,
in
reality,
if
there
is
a
complaint
city
staff
goes
out
with
a
decibel
meter
and
gets
a
reading
now
part
of
the
problem
is
ambient.
Noise
levels
often
exceed
anything
they're
trying
to
measure
anyway.
So
it's
it's
hard
to
get
a
reading
and
it's
it's
really
hard
to
get
a
reading
of
less
than
65
decibels
anywhere.
Okay,.
E
E
We
just
talked
about
the
onus
on
the
neighbor
about
the
in
the
conversations
about
the
B&B
ordinances
and
not
having
neighbors
wanting
to
complain
about
other
neighbors
and
and
all
that,
and
you
know,
I,
don't
complaining
about
my
neighbors,
but
you
know
their
their.
Their
units
are
much
farther
than
this.
We
have
good
distance
between
us
and
they
bug
the
heck
out
of
me.
E
If
I'm
sleeping
in
the
summertime
with
the
window
open
and
to
me,
enabling
somebody
to
be
closer,
would
be
a
very
frustrating
thing
and
infringe
on
my
on
boys
levels
or
my
restful
sleep.
So
I
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
in
favor
of
reducing
the
ordinance
I
mean
you're,
saying
we've
had
seven
this
year,
leave
so
and
one
of
them
was
denied.
Why
was
the
one
denied.
B
It
was
actually
a
case
that
went
to
the
Zoning
Board
for
two
units
that
were
illegally
placed
without
a
permit,
so
they
were
already
in
place.
Point
O
two
feet
from
the
property
line.
I
believe,
and
their
other
side
yard
was
fairly
extensive.
So
the
Zoning
Board
found
that
they
did
not
meet
the
standards
for
a
variance.
F
I,
you
know
I
feel
set
that
we,
you
know
people
have
a
reasonable
right
to
enjoy
their
property,
which
is
the
to
have
air
conditioning,
even
if
it's
a
narrow
lot,
but
what
I?
What
I
don't
like
is
the
is
that
if
there
is
a
better
spot
available,
such
as
a
rear
yard
or
something
and
not
a
side
yard,
that's
right
next
to
a
house
there's
no
way
to
enforce
that.
If
there,
if
this
is
allowed,
I
mean
they're
just
going
to
do
the
most
practical
thing
for
them
at
the
expense
of
their
neighbor.
B
E
G
I'm
kind
of
a
problem
here
of
balancing
the
rights
of
the
property
owner
versus
the
rights
of
the
neighbors.
Don't
we,
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
being
unnecessarily
restrictive
on
property
owners,
if
on
a
reasonably
sized
lot
in
evanston,
a
reasonable
location
for
an
air
conditioner
on
that
lot
requires
you
to
come
in
for
a
variance,
it
seems
to
me
like
we
ought
to
avoid
variances
for
sort
of
normal
things.
Don't
get
me
started
on
garages.
E
B
Would
say
seven
is
the
average
per
year.
Another
way
to
put
it
in
perspective
is
most
things
in
a
side
yard,
have
a
five
foot
setback
and
in
a
rear
yard,
have
a
three
foot
setback.
So
potentially
you
could
right,
at
the
back
of
your
house,
put
a
deck
or
patio
three
feet
away
from
your
property
line
where
you
could
then
have
a
party
on
it,
etc.
But
you
could
not
have
an
air
conditioning
unit
that.
E
A
H
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
Commissioner
of
Ford,
but
I.
You
know,
it's
I,
think
it's
a
tough
call.
It
sounds
to
me
or
it
based
on
what
I've
read.
I,
don't
think
staffs
recommendation
is
unsupported
and
it
just
seems
like
the
pendulum
is:
maybe
just
swung
a
little
bit
this
way.
So
I
really
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
it.
You
know.
E
E
E
E
E
B
The
applicant
would
come
into
the
city
and
they
could
obtain
an
over-the-counter
permit.
It
comes
to
the
zoning
office.
We
look
at
the
location
that
they're
proposing.
If
it's
compliant,
we
sign
off
on
it
then
and
there
and
they
walk
out
with
their
permit
if
they
don't
have
a
compliant
location.
That's
when
they
go
through
the
variance
process,
which
would
take
anywhere
from
five
weeks
to
eight
weeks,
depending
on
what
kind
of
variance
it
is
so.
B
B
H
Were
law
you
would
be
when
you
could
say
that
it
has
to
be
certified
or
notarized,
and
if
somebody
came
in
with
a
false
signature,
it's
probably
not
gonna
be
worth
procuring
a
false
signature,
but
I
don't
mean
that,
like
a
domme,
I
mean
I
I
personally,
I
would
be
ok
because
I'm
just
used
to
noise.
So
it
really.
You
know
for
me,
but
I,
understand
the
situation.
H
I,
think
that
if
there's
a
way
to
strike
a
balance
so
that
if
there
is
a
situation
because
I'm
assuming
someone
who
installs
one
of
these
is
not
going
to
do
it
in
a
way,
that's
going
to
be
disrespectful,
their
neighbor,
that's
just
how
I
think.
So,
if
there's
a
way
to
put
it
I'd
go
to
my
neighbors
and
say
this
is
what
I'm
thinking
about
doing
you
know?
What
are
your
thoughts
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
happy,
but
you
know
everybody
isn't
that
way,
and
some
people
may
just
object
just
to
object.
B
Of
course,
staff
could
relay
that
information
to
the
property
owner
which,
and
typically
we
do
anyway-
I
mean
one
of
the
number
one
things
that
we
say
is
remember.
You
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
You
have
to
live
next
door
to
these
people,
so
we
can
encourage
them
to
talk
to
their
neighbor
about
it.
Other
than
that,
I'm
open
to
suggestions
are.
B
F
Lewis
so
I
just
like
to
get
an
idea
of
what
the
what
we're
really
arguing
about
with
so
so
the
supposition
is
that
we're
moving
a
property
line
decibel
level
of
55,
which
you're
saying
is
basically
the
ambient
noise
level
to
65
DB
is
what
what
does
that
mean?
Is
that,
like
me,
talking
like
now
or
screaming,
or
what
regular.
H
Someone
could
put
in
air-conditioning
unit
say
on
the
side
of
their
house
and
it
would
be
safe,
for
example,
10
feet,
it'd
be
10
feet
or
more
than
the
eight
right,
but
say
they
choose
to
go
on
the
other
side
and
they
would
be
less
than
10,
but
they'd
be
eight.
Could
could
could
we
could
the
language
I
guess
be
modified
to
say
that
they
have
to
basically
put
it
in
the
location
that
is
either
thee
and
it's
late
and
my
brains
kind
of
fried.
H
But
you
know
what
I
mean
if
there's
an
option
to
put
it,
so
it
can
volume
yeah
if
there's
an
option
to
put
it
at
10,
then
that's
where
they
should
put
it.
Assuming
that
distance
is
going
to
make
a
difference
in
sound,
but
if
there
isn't,
then
they
could
go
with
the
lesser
distance
what's
being
proposed,
because
I
could
see
a
situation
for
example
and
I.
You
know
it
does
come
up
there.
Rare
situations,
I've,
litigated
things
like
this,
where
one
property
owner
just
wants
to
exact
some
revenge
and
another
property
owner.
H
So
one
property
owner
lives
on
the
corner.
Let's
say
they
want
install
an
air
conditioning
unit,
they
could
easily
put
it
on
the
side
that
runs
along
the
street,
but
they
decide.
I
don't
like
my
neighbor
next
door,
I'll
put
in
the
air
conditioner
there
it's
an
80
feet,
because
I
can
do
it.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
if
the
objective
is
to
give
them
the
air
conditioning
unit
without
as
much
problem,
I
get
that
and
that's
what
I'm
in
support
of.
But
if
there
is
an
alternative
location
to
put
it
in,
then
the.
B
How
do
you
define
if
there
really
is
a
compliant
location,
or
can
we,
as
staff,
tell
them
that
they
need
to
remove
some
landscaping
to
fit
it
in
that
compliant
location,
or
can
they
say
I
plan
to
build
a
deck
over
there?
So
I
can't
put
it
over
there
it.
It
could
raise
problems
for
staff
in
how
we
implement
it.
H
And
then,
if
that's
an
enforcement
issue,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
think
that
that
was
part
of
what
we
were
discussing,
I'm
assuming
they're
coming
in,
and
they
have
to
fill
out
a
form.
That
says
we
want
to
install
this
air-conditioning
unit
and
then
one
of
the
questions
is
going
to
be.
Basically,
it
means
several.
The
questions
are
going
to
be
designed
to
determine
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
be
in
compliance
right.
H
H
H
If
that's
not
that's
an
alternative
or
if
not,
you
can
fall
under
the
eight
feet
requirement,
then
you
could
do
that,
but
you
can't
if
you
have,
but
if
you
have
the
option
you
have
to
go
with
the
ten
feet,
you
see
what
I'm
saying
it
just
sort
of
its
self
policing
and
hopefully
the
applicants
going
to
follow
the
rule
and
I
understand
we're
not
looking
at
me.
We
can't,
you
know,
spend
the
resources
to
enforce
it.
H
H
So
now
you
basically
shifting
the
burden
of
spending
the
time
and
money
to
basically
protect
certain
rights
on
the
property
owner
who
has
a
problem
and
I
but
again
I.
Don't
think
it's
necessarily
fair
to
have
it
where
the
property
owner
wants
to
put
in
the
air
conditioner
and
has
to
spend
the
time
and
resources
to
come
in
here
to
get
an
approval
that
they're
going
to
get
ninety
percent
of
time
anyway,
just
a
thought,
I.
A
A
G
B
G
So
I've
got
two
feet
from
the
building
and
then
I've
got
two
feet
of
machinery
and
then
I've
got
six
feet
and
I'm
living
on
a
25
foot
lot,
and
that
seems
like
such
luxury.
They
have
much
space
to
put
an
air
conditioner,
hi.
Well,
I
appreciated
Commissioner
Aceros
sort
of
comment
in
passing:
I'm
used
to
noise.
G
If
living
on
living
on
25-foot
lots
we're
used
to
noise
on
one
side,
it's
an
air
conditioner
on
the
other
side,
it's
parties,
and
it
just
it
is
what
it
is.
I
would
I
think
the
staff
has
come
up
with
a
fairly
reasonable
solution
here
that
looks
out
for
the
neighbor
and
doesn't
make
it
a
real
administrative
burden
for
them
and
for
the
property
owner
who
wants
to
put
in
an
air
conditioner
and
at
such
point
as
we
move.
This
thing
I'll
vote
for
the
staffs
recommendation.
E
You
know
I
I,
hear
you
on
living
with
noise,
but
if
you
didn't
have
it
there
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
do
have
it
there,
that's
a
big
difference.
So
that's
nice
perspective
on
noise.
I
lived
on
Lakeshore
Drive
for
12
years,
but
I
could
sleep
through
the
ninja
bikes
going
through
at
four
in
the
morning.
E
Once
you
go
to
suburban
living
and
you
get
the
quiet
going
from
crickets
to
the
compressor
of
the
air
conditioner
popping
on
every
few
minutes
or
every
20
minutes
and
again,
that's
my
perspective
watches
to
take
a
struggle.
What
I
mean
I'd,
probably
the
only
one
who's
has
this
opinion,
as
it
looks
like
so.
A
I
B
A
G
E
A
E
E
E
E
E
A
I
A
B
You
want
to
jump
back
to
the
zoning
committee
issue.
We
can
go
ahead
and
pick
a
chair
for
the
zoning
committee.
Rich
has
indicated
that
he
would
have
no
problem
continuing
that,
and
also
to
note
currently
you're
at
six
members
for
the
zoning
committee,
which
would
raise
the
quorum
level
24.
Just
as
an
FYI.
E
A
H
E
J
Mark
10,
director
of
community
development,
housing,
community
development
they
meet
on
a
Tuesday
believe
it's
the
second
tuesday
of
every
month.
I
will
say
that
most
of
they
don't
have
most
of
their
meetings.
Their
primary
function
is
in
the
fall
when
they
allocate
the
CDBG
funds
that
the
city
of
Evanston
is
allocated
every
year.
J
So
basically
there's
there's
a
for
meetings,
I
believe
they're
in
September
and
there's
about
ten
organizations
that
come
in
and
make
presentations
as
to
their
programs
and
as
to
the
amount
of
funding
that
they're
seeking
under
cgbg
and
then
there's
a
fifth
meeting.
It's
either
the
fourth
of
the
fifth
meeting
that
they
allocate.
Those
phones
and
it's
chaired,
chair
by
altman,
rainy
I,
know.
B
Immediately
before
City
Council,
typically
the
second
and
fourth
mondays
of
the
month
at
seven-fifteen
p.m.
and
just
to
note
of
all
all
these
committees
and
the
liaisons,
it
does
not
mean
that
you
are
required
to
go
to
every
one
of
those
meetings.
It
means
when
there
is
pertinent
information
you
may
want
to
go.
Are.
J
Thank
you
and
just
to
be
clear.
This
won't
be
membership
on
pd.
That's
a
city
council!
Only
committee.
We
just
need
a
liaison,
possibly
to
present
different
discussion
items
P&E
playing
in
the
communities
planning
developments
it
any
matter
related
to
planning
and
development,
typically
mares
that
come
out
from
the
plan.
Commission
zba,
it's
the
Working
Committee
of
City
Council
and
they
mech
or
make
a
recommendation
to
full
council.
It's
held
immediately
preceding
city
council
meetings.
Okay,
you.
B
Typically,
pandey
meetings
last
anywhere
from
five
minutes
to
maybe
an
hour
and
in
to
clarify
in
my
time
here,
I,
don't
think,
we've
ever
had
a
liaison
actually
go
to
a
PMD
meeting,
but
it
potentially
could
be
helpful
if
a
recommendation
is
made
on
a
text
amendment
or
a
planned
development
that
might
need
more
explanation
on
why
the
board
did
something.
Staff
would,
of
course,
relay
that
in
a
memo,
but
if
you
guys
would
feel
more
comfortable
having
a
representative
there.
That
would
be
a
case
so.
D
Staff,
the
committee
so
I
could
answer
these
types
of
questions.
So
it's
it
starts
at
seven
fifteen,
it's
typically
an
hour
and
I
would
expect.
The
liaison
would
speak
to
contentious
issues
in
which
you
had
a
lot
of
participation
from
the
community,
but
also
in
my
time
here.
Billy
a
zom
has
never
come.
Okay,.
H
B
E
H
E
A
E
Is
actually
is
not
a
liaison?
It's
the
chairman
of
the
place
names
you
get
a
even
come
in
with
a
gavel.
I've
been
that
for
the
last
two
years,
it's
kind
of
cool
you
get
a
gavel,
but
what
it
called
the
meeting,
Torrence
native
place,
name
I,
think
the
alderman
can
make.
Is
it
one
or
two
recommendations
a
year?
This.
E
The
honorary
place
names
that
you
know
when
somebody
distinguished
or
undistinguished
in
evanston
gets
a
street
named
after
them
and
it
comes.
The
alderman
is
supposed
to
come
and
make
a
recommendation
and
and
fill
out
some
forms,
and
we
generally
always
approve
it.
It's
actually
a
lot
of
fun,
and
sometimes
you
go
to
the
unveiling
of
the
of
the
street
name
of
the
place
names
and
so.