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A
B
Evening,
everyone,
this
is
the
December
11th
2019
public
hearing
of
the
Evanston
Plan
Commission,
the
Jordan
zoning
ordinance
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
amendments
text
amendments
planned
developments
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
plans.
This
Commission
will
make
recommendations
which
will
be
sent
to
the
City
Council.
B
Have
four
four
members
of
seven
seated
commissioners?
Therefore,
we
have
a
quorum
next
order
of
business
is
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
of
November
13th
2019
do
I
have
any
comments
or
revisions
to
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
commissioners
hearing.
None
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
meeting
minutes
any
seconds
all
in
favor,
aye
all
against
all
right.
The
motion
passes
minutes
of
November
13
2019
are
approved
at
this
point.
We're
gonna
go
out
of
order.
We're
gonna
move
to
item
five
other
business.
B
B
Additional
dates
for
spillover
or
four
items
that
that
can't
be
fit
into
our
second
normal
schedule.
As
of
now,
what
we're
looking
at
approving
our
meetings
on
January,
8th
January,
22nd
to
February,
12th
February,
26th,
March,
11th,
April,
8th
May,
13th
June,
10th,
July,
8th
August,
12th,
September,
9th
October,
14,
November,
11th
and
December
9th.
All
of
2020
do
I
hear
any
any
comments
or
questions
with
respect
to
the
proposed
meeting
scheduled
for
the
Planning
Commission
hearing.
None
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
meeting
scheduled.
B
All
in
favor
aye
all
against
passes
alright.
Moving
on
to
old
business,
we
have
a
text
amendment
and
a
map
amendment
both
with
respect
to
a
portion
of
what
we're
calling
a
emerson
street
rezoning
at
this
point,
I
won't
form
the
Commission
that
I
am
required
to
recuse
myself
from
any
discussions
with
respect
to
these
items.
B
I
recused
myself
for
the
last
meeting
where
these
items
came
up
and
I
need
to
recuse
myself
for
this
meeting
at
any
future
meetings
due
to
a
family
member
of
mine,
owning
property
in
the
rezoning
area
as
such,
since
we
are
at
a
bare
quorum
for
for
this
meeting,
we
do
not
have
a
quorum
to
move
forward
with
any
discussion
with
respect
to
any
of
the
old
business.
As
such,
we
need
to
move
this
move
these
items
to
a
date
certain
the
next.
B
D
E
F
F
B
B
E
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
and
commissioners,
members
of
the
public.
This
is
a
request
for
a
planned
development
at
999
to
10:15
Howard
Street.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
special
use
as
a
planned
development
to
construct
a
four-story,
73,000
plus
square
foot,
building
addition
to
the
existing
CJE
Senior
Life.
This
would
be
to
allow
60
units
of
affordable
housing
for
seniors
site
development.
E
Beeline
went
adjacent
to
a
residential
district
which
this
this
property
is
and
to
for
to
reduce
the
required
number
of
off
street
parking
spaces
from
69
to
55.
And
finally,
a
newer
request
that
came
up
at
the
dapper
meeting
most
well
allow
a
loading
berth
with
a
vertical
clearance
of
11
feet,
10
inches,
where
a
minimum
clearance
height
of
14
feet
is
required
by
code.
E
The
property
site
is
shown
in
the
cross-hatched
area
on
the
screen.
It's
located
west
of
Ridge
on
Howard
Street
encompasses
the
existing
cje
building
with
the
red
dot
on
this
portion
of
screen,
as
well
as
the
open
parking
and
the
former
commercial
fast-food
restaurant
building,
Dairy
Queen
at
one
time
sites
a
little
under
an
acre
in
size
about
0.9
acres,
the
cje,
Senior,
Life,
Adult
Day
service
center
is
existing,
it
would
remain
and
the
apartments
would
be
for
seniors
ages,
62
and
older,
with
incomes
at
or
below
60%
of
area.
E
E
E
So
the
site
development
allowances
that
are
requested
are
shown
on
the
screen
that
the
base
requirements
is
shown
in
this
first
column,
45,
feet,
height
or
51,
feet
is,
is
proposed
up
to
57
could
be
requested
as
a
site
development
allowance.
So
it's
none
of
these
requests
exceed
the
maximum
site
development
allowance
and
it
stated
this
I
heard
four
setback
is
being
requested
and
the
rear
yard
setback
for
parking
and
then
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
as
well
as
the
clear
height
of
the
loading
dock.
E
The
applicant
is
presented.
The
following
public
benefits
as
part
of
their
development
allows
for
the
rehabilitation
of
the
existing
building,
improves
the
aesthetics
of
this
section
of
Howard
Street
through
the
storefront
glass
and
activating
175
feet
of
frontage
as
a
pedestrian
scale.
They
also
state
that
the
development
is
designed
to
some
simultaneously
create
vertical
physical
improvements
in
the
site
by
creative
facade
and
glass
work.
An
improvement
is
the
program
outdoor
terrace
on
the
second
floor,
development,
dresses,
cities,
housing
goals
to
provide
affordable
housing
and
targets.
E
E
Additionally,
that
the
CJE
is
a
nonprofit
organization,
as
existing
building
will
be
incorporated
in
the
new
development.
Cte
currently
holds
tax
exempt
status
as
a
nonprofit
under
the
new
ownership
structure.
They'll
be
leasing
from
a
general
partnership
and,
as
tax-exempt
status
will
not
carry
through
allowing
the
commercial
property
to
rejoin
the
property
tax
rolls
another
stated.
E
Public
benefit
is
efficiently
using
the
site
while
improving
circulation,
reducing
number
curb
cuts
from
3
to
2
and
accommodating
the
the
buses
that
are
used
on
site
and
then
finally,
that'll
meet
the
the
LEED,
Silver
certification
or
higher,
and
also
meet
I
to
sustainable
design
requirements,
as
well
as
receiving
an
eligibility
letter
from
comments.
Energy
efficiency
program
to
reduce
energy
use,
the
staff
and
dapper
has
recommended
approval
of
the
plan
development
subject
to
several
conditions
of
approval
that
the
applicant
continues
to
work
on
the
design
details,
particularly
on
the
east
and
west
building.
E
Having
a
proved
list
of
street
trees
shown
on
on
landscape
plans,
providing
a
snow
removal
plan
and
revising
plans
to
show
that
the
public
sidewalk
extending
through
the
driveways
off
Howard
Street,
this
request
is
subject
to
the
standards
for
planned
developments
found
in
the
sections
shown
on
the
screen,
and
we
do
have
all
those
standards
available
when
the
Commission
gets
to
deliberations
that
that
portion
of
it.
That
concludes
a
summary,
the
staff
report
and
bill
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
B
D
G
You
so
much
good
evening,
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
the
plane,
Commission
and
mr.
Mangum.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
My
name
is
David
block
I'm,
the
director
of
development
for
evergreen,
real
estate
group
and
we're
here
to
present
what
we
think
is
a
really
exciting
project
for
an
under
utilized
under
developed
location
on
the
south
edge
of
Evanston
I
have
a
number
of
members
of
my
team
here
today.
G
If
I
could
ask
everybody
over
there
to
stand
up,
and
so
we
have
representatives
here
from
CJ
e
CJ,
Senior
Life,
the
Council
on
Jewish
elderly.
They
are
our
development
partners
in
this
project
and
they
own
the
building
at
10:15,
Howard,
Street
and
in
the
land.
That's
the
parking
lot
and
I
also
have
our
design
team
here
from
from
urban
works,
and
we
have
our
traffic
consultant
here
from
Erickson
engineering,
and
we
have
our
Landis
attorney
here
from
applicaton
tor
Thompson
as
well.
G
G
It
really
became
a
an
exciting
opportunity
for
all
of
us.
This
building
is,
was
a
former
EMP
supermarket
and
has
served
as
the
home
for
c-jes
Adult
Day
Services
program
for
almost
30
years
it.
This
is
a
program
that
provides
a
safe
and
secure
and
caring
environment
for
seniors
with
dementia,
and,
as
the
name
implies,
it
is
only
a
day
services
program,
so
seniors
are
not
here
overnight.
Their
families
sometimes
drop
them
off
or
there
are
buses.
G
It
has
you
know,
sort
of
emotional
support
for
this
group
and
then
the
program
also
provides
some
meals
for
these
seniors
and
they're
about
what
40
or
so
40
or
so
seniors,
who
are
participating
in
this
program
every
day.
It's
it's
open,
Monday
through
Friday,
and
so
this
seemed
to
us
like
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
combine
services
with
a
longtime
social
service
agency
for
seniors,
who
really
needed
quite
a
bit
of
care
and
attention
with
a
housing
program
designed
to
serve
independent
seniors.
G
So
what
we're
proposing
is
not
necessarily
housing
that
some
people
think
of
as
assisted
living
and
which,
in
some
cases,
is
where
the
the
seniors
who
live
who
attend
this
program
live.
But
this
is
for
independent
seniors,
who
we
expect
will
be
active
participants
in
the
street
life
and
the
economic
life
of
Howard
Street
of
Rogers
Park
of
southeast
Evanston,
and
really
help
revitalize
that
corner
of
the
city.
So
we
thought
it
was
a
great
combination
and
we're
excited
to
be
CJ's
partner
here.
G
So
if
we
could
just
move
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
this
is
our
team.
Urban
Works
has
been
in
business
for
25
years.
It's
two
Partners
are
longtime
Evanston
residents,
I'm
also
an
emerson
residence
about
13
years,
and
so
we
have
very
Evanston
focused
team
here.
Next
slide,
please
just
to
give
you
a
quick
sense
of
who
we
are
as
a
developer,
evergreen
real
estate
group.
We
are
a
for-profit
primarily
but
not
exclusively,
affordable,
housing
developer.
You
may
have
seen
some
of
our
buildings
around
the
north
side
of
the
city.
G
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
in
just
a
second
next
slide,
so
you've
seen
the
pictures
of
the
site
already,
there
are
some
images
of
the
building
and
the
condition
it's
not
a
great
building,
never
has
been
a
great
building.
Like
I
said
it
was
a
former
supermarket.
The
condition
of
the
street
facade
is
both
a
little
tired
and
architectural,
pretty
dated
and
so
part
of
the
the
benefit
of
this
project.
G
60
apartments
total
a
mix
of
one
and
two-bedroom
units,
54
one-bedroom
units.
Six,
two
bedroom
units
will
be
renovating
CJ's
program
space.
As
part
of
this,
this
is
a
hundred
percent,
affordable
housing,
and
so
the
rents
will
range
from
about
400
to
just
over
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
and
will
serve
senior
singles
and
couples
or
potentially
seniors
with
a
caregiver
with
family
income.
Up
to
about
forty
three
thousand
dollars
a
year,
we
also
have
units
where
seniors
will
pay
no
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income.
G
G
This
will
put
that
entire
stretch
on
the
tax
rolls
and
we're
projecting
about
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
of
tax
income
this
year
anyway,
so
I
I'm
sure
that
all
of
you
have
heard
about
the
need
for
affordable
housing
in
Evanston,
and
it's
really
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
doing
this.
You
know
why
here
why
now
big
focus
of
the
City
Council
on
affordable
housing,
big
focus
on
the
the
redevelopment,
the
reinvestment
in
Howard
Street,
and
so
we
saw
this
as
a
terrific
combination.
That
brings
those
things
together.
Next.
D
G
Kind
of
the
features
of
the
building
and
my
laser
pointer
here
so
what
you
see
here
this
is
the
plan
at
street
level,
so
the
current
building
is
right
here.
Cj's
property
extends
roughly
to
here,
and
so
the
rest
of
this
over
on
this
side
is
where
the
Dairy
Queen
is,
as
mentioned,
we'll
be
going
from
three
curb
cuts
to
two
curb
cuts.
This
is
the
current
location
of
the
existing
curb
cut
used
by
CJ
E.
So
right
now,
this
entire
parcel
is
fenced
off
with
a
six-foot
fence.
G
Currently
the
buses
and
the
visitors
come
in
to
the
site
and
then
there's
a
parking
lot
that
they
can
come
in
and
circulate
around
right
now.
There
are
two
curb
cuts
at
the
Dairy,
Queen
and
I
think
it
was
designed
to
be
a
loop,
so
originally
cars
would
come
in.
There
was
some
kind
of
drive-through
ordering
system
drive
around
to
the
back
and
come
out
onto
the
street
this
way.
So
we
think
this
is
a
significant
improvement
in
traffic
safety.
G
For
this
situation,
it
is
a
it's
a
tight
site
in
a
lot
of
ways:
it's
actually
a
relatively
narrow
site.
If
you
look,
if
you
can
see
the
dimensions
there,
it's
400
feet
long,
but
the
site
itself
is
only
less
than
100
feet
wide
and
we
know
that
there
is
a
need
to
accommodate
parking
both
for
the
existing
CGA
programming
and
for
the
the
new
residential
building.
So
we
needed
to
come
up
with
a
parking
strategy
that
dealt
with
these
dimensions
head-on.
G
So
what
we've
come
up
with
is
a
essentially
two
parallel
slanting
parking
deck
configuration
and
as
we
as
we
get
to
that
part
of
the
presentation,
I'll
show
you
a
diagram.
There
might
be
a
little
easier
to
understand
this
flat
plan.
What
you're
looking
at
now
is
actually
the
street
level,
and
what
you
have
to
have
to
imagine
is
that
this
piece
is
slanting
up
at
I.
Don't
know
15
degrees,
10
degrees,
something
like
that.
G
So
it's
slanting
up
this
way,
so
you
come
into
the
site
here
and
drive
up
and
circulate
around
and
down
and
out,
and
so
the
top
part
of
the
deck
is
for
the
existing
vans.
That
CJA
operates,
and
these
are
these
are
12
passenger
vans
and
also
for
some
visitors.
Generally,
it's
a
small
number
of
visitors,
family
members
or
occasionally
social
workers
who
come
to
the
site
to
help
with
the
care,
but
those
are
for
occasional
visitors.
What
you
don't
see
on
this
plan
is
that
this
piece
of
the
site
is
actually
lower.
G
I,
don't
know
the
exact
depth,
but
I
want
to
say
it's
about
11
feet
lower
than
this
edge
of
the
parking
ramp
and
so
you're
below
there,
but
you're
at
street
grade.
Here
you
come
in
here
and
you
go
down
and
I'll
show
you
the
lower
level
plan
in
just
a
moment.
So
you
see
that
all
along
the
street
we
have
the
functions
that
are
ancillary
to
a
residential
building.
Multi-Family
building
our
lobby
is
over
here.
The
main
entrance
is
over
here
in
this
corner.
G
The
trash
pickup,
which
was
referenced
in
the
report,
there's
a
deck
here.
So
this
is
a
stairway
that
is
leading
to
the
deck.
That's
above
this
area,
the
trash
right
now
is
shown
back
here
and
we've
done
some
thinking
about
that,
and
we
can
talk
about
that
in
a
moment.
But
right
now,
all
of
the
services
for
the
existing
CJE
building
are
off
the
alley
in
the
back,
and
we
think
we
have
some
ideas
for
making
sure
that
the
services
for
the
new
building
are
easily
managed
next
slide.
G
G
This
is
then
going
up
to
the
second
level
of
the
building,
and
so
you
see
that
there's
a
there's,
a
slope,
so
the
slope
kind
of
comes
up
to
the
second
level
here.
This
is
why
I've
shown
dotted
and
in
order
to
provide
all
the
necessary
clearances,
the
building
is
actually
set
back
from
the
deck
here.
So
it's
essentially
a
single
loaded
corridor.
Building
on
the
second
floor
and
I'll
show
you
a
building
section
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
third
floor.
G
You
have
enough
clearance
so
that
you
can
actually
do
a
double
loaded
corridor
and
so,
at
the
end
of
the
corridor.
This
structure
here
which
will
connect
the
existing
CJE
building
to
the
new
building.
We
call
the
bridge
and
that'll,
be
a
seating
area.
It's
kind
of
a
gathering,
Lobby
space
within
the
building
and
then
there's
a
secondary
Lobby
that
leads
to
the
outdoor
deck
and
the
outdoor
deck
will
serve.
G
Both
the
residents
of
this
building
and
CJ's
clients,
so
there'll
be
a
new
elevator
installed
that
will
take
CJ's
clients
up
to
that
deck
and
we
will
coordinate
times
because
of
security
concerns.
The
CJ's
facility
is
a
secure
facility.
They
have
had
occasions
when
the
clients
have
have
tried
to
wander
off.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
big
security
concern
for
adults
with
dementia,
so
this
will
be
a
secure
deck.
G
The
egress
stair
here
is
is
behind
an
alarmed
gate,
and
so
in
using
this,
this
door
will
be
locked
and
CJ
staff
will
control
access
to
that
upper
level
deck.
But
right
now,
if
you've
ever
been
to
CJ's
facility,
their
building
is
really
hard
up
against
the
alley.
There
is
this
small,
very
narrow,
little
space
back
there,
and
that
is
the
only
green
space
that's
available
to
clients
of
the
adult
aid
program,
so
we
believe
we're
providing
a
much
nicer
outdoor
amenity
for
the
clients
of
the
day
program
next
one.
G
So
the
third
and
fourth
floor
plans
are
just
much
more
straightforward,
double
little
corridor
plans.
The
two
two-bedroom
units
are
a
little
bit
larger
there
at
the
end
there.
Here's
that
bridge
lounge
that
continues
on
the
second
third
and
fourth
floors,
a
pretty
straightforward
design,
elevator
here
at
the
end
and
then
stairs
where
they
where
they
need
to
be
next
slide.
So
here's
that
diagram
that
shows
you
a
little
clearer
a
little
more
clearly
what
is
going
on
with
the
parking
situation.
G
So
on
the
top
here
we
are
looking
south
across
a
cut
through
the
building,
and
you
can
see
this
is
above
grade
this
level
right
here
is
so
you're
coming
down
below
grade
here
at
this
side,
you're
going
under
the
building
and
actually
circulating
up
and
around
the
parking
deck
at
this
level.
This
side
we're
looking
north.
So
it's
sort
of
the
opposite
view
there,
but
I
think
you
get
the
idea
next
slide.
G
Here's
the
sectional
view
again,
just
a
just
a
maybe
a
more
technical
view
of
that
I
know.
There
were
concerns
about
making
sure
that
headlights
at
that
upper
level
deck
are
not
impinging
on
any
of
the
neighboring
residential
properties,
so
this
is
actually
a
six-foot
wall
at
the
at
the
ramp
of
the
parking
ramp,
so
that
there
is
no
way
for
any
of
the
headlights
to
sort
of
bleed
over
on
to
the
neighboring
property
there
you
can
see
where
that
where
the
alley
was
this
is
this
is
the
alley
so
where
it
says
residents.
G
What
can
be
a
bit
of
a
harsh
look
for
precast
and
we
think
they've,
actually
after
multiple
iterations
and
so
dapper
has
really
helped
us
in
this
regard.
We
think
that
we've
succeeded
in
in
sort
of
softening
and
and
breaking
down
the
scale
this
building
in
a
way
that
is
more
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood
the
the
green
items
that
you
see
here.
Those
are
actually
living
walls.
So
it's
a
kind
of
metal
mesh.
G
That
is
in
front
of
that's
probably
a
concrete
backer
element
and
they're
actually
living
plants
that
are
going
up
and
down
those
those
items.
We've
used.
Those
elements
and
the
architects
have
used
those
own
that's
successfully.
In
other
places,
they
do
die
back
in
the
winter,
but
they
they
come
back
every
spring
and
it
does
create.
G
You
know,
sort
of
different
and
and
always
varying
look
on
the
building,
and
then
the
vertical
slats
here
and
horizontal
slats
and
the
horizontal
slats
up
here
we're
using
wood
or
a
wood
like
product,
it's
possible
that
we
would
use
a
product
that
is
a
kind
of
manufacturer
but
like
Trek's,
which
is
very
durable
and
low
maintenance
to
provide
a
wood.
Look.
That
actually
is
in
keeping
with
this.
G
If
you
look
at
the
CJE
building
now
it
has
this
somewhat
dated
pretend
board
and
batten
look
and
I
think
at
one
time
there
were
clerestory
windows
that
were
part
of
the
store
they're
there,
since
some
blocked
up
both.
So
we
will
open
up
those
clerestory
windows
there.
People
have
asked
us
if
we
can
open
up
storefront
and
create
a
storefront
experience,
and
we
do
have
storefront
along
here
so
to
provide
some
visual
access
from
the
street
into
the
building.
Again,
the
security
issues
at
the
CJ
program
don't
allow
us
to
do
that.
G
There
next
slide,
so
here's
the
rendering,
looking
east
again
here's
the
area
where
there's
currently
the
board
and
batten
you
can
see
where
we're
opening
up
the
clerestory
windows
using
the
wood
as
an
element
to
wrap
the
corner
using
the
windows
and
the
wood
to
wrap
the
corner.
Have
these
window
enclosures
that
are
going
around
so
we're
using
the
wood
elements
to
bridge
between
the
windows
and
again
try
to
break
down
the
scale.
G
The
building
right
now
we're
showing
at
the
corner
a
similar
condition
to
what
I
showed
you
at
the
the
top
of
the
presentation
where
it's
a
corner,
that's
kind
of
back
and
we
can
use
public
art
as
a
way
to
enliven
that
entrance
back
there.
So
this
is
the
curb
cut
you
go
in
here:
drive
in
and
drive
up
the
ramp
there
next
slide,
please.
G
We
thought
that
was
the
appropriate
approach
to
this
building
and
it
also
helped
us
solve
some
scale
problems
with
dealing
with
the
parking
versus
the
building,
and
so
this
is
really
only
effectively
about
a
one-story
or
maybe
a
one
and
a
half
story
wall
up
against
this,
and
it
steps
up
about
about
forty
or
fifty
feet,
south
of
the
property.
So
we
are
effectively
stepping
quite
a
bit
back
from
the
alley.
G
Next
few.
So
as
noted
at
the
at
the
top
of
the
presentation,
we
have
five
requests:
I
guess
the
first
equesticle
it
plan
development
is
especially
used.
So
we
need
the
Planning
Commission
to
approve
the
special
use
here
and
then
the
five
technical
requests,
the
Eastside
setback
for
parking
from
five
feet
to
zero.
All
of
that
parking
is
within
the
building.
So
it's
not
like.
G
The
off-street
parking
from
69
total
down
to
55
total
parking
spaces
on
both
decks
and
then
the
loading
dock
that
we
have
from
14
feet
down
to
I,
think
11,
feet
or
11
feet.
10
I
know
that
that
may
be
short,
10
inches
there,
and
and
that's
really
so
that
we
don't
have
to
raise
the
overall
height
of
the
building
by
another
3
feet
to
accommodate
our
structural
system.
So
those
are
our
requests
and
we're
happy
to
take
questions.
Thank
you.
I
J
Of
all,
it's
I
think
it's
a
really
nice-looking
project
and
very
clever,
clever
use
of
the
site
with
the
massing
I
think.
That's
that's
to
be
complimented.
I.
Think
the
architects
did
a
really
nice
job.
I
have
a
few
questions.
Could
you
well,
let
me
go
through
a
couple
of
them.
One
is:
could
you
get
into
more
detail
on
why
this
number
of
parking
spaces
works
for
you,
I
know,
I
know
you
cited
this.
J
So
when
people
move
in
and
out,
they
usually
use
use,
moving
bands
and
don't
those
moving
vans
require
a
14-foot
clearance
and
then
the
third
question
is
great
job
on
shielding
the
lighting
of
the
parking
from
the
neighbors,
but
there's
that
outdoor
deck,
what
kind
of
lighting
is
on
that
outdoor
deck
and
is
that
is
that
going
to
shine
on
the
neighbors?
So
this
is
my
three.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
so
all
I,
I
guess
I'll,
probably
take
those
in
reversed
order,
because
I
think
it's.
The
first
question
is
probably
the
more
detailed
explanation:
the
lighting
on
the
deck
we're
looking
at.
You
know
low
cutoff
lighting,
so
you
know
we
will
make
sure
we
can.
We
can
do
a
lighting
study
if
necessary,
but
the
idea
is
to
make
sure
that
the
light
is
not
effectively
escaping
from
that
deck,
and
so
you
know
some
of
it
would
actually
be
up
lighting
from
the
deck
to
the
building.
G
The
second
question
was
your
second
question:
oh,
the
the
and
the
the
loading
dock
loading
that
clear
yeah.
So
we
talked
about
this
adapter
and
we've
actually
done
the
research
that
all
of
the
small
and
mid-sized
moving
bands
that
people
are
likely
to
use.
So
we
looked
at
u-haul,
we
looked
at
their
standards,
we
looked
at
FedEx
and
the
kind
of
trucks
that
FedEx
and
UPS
use.
G
There
are
almost
always
either
using
u-haul
or
they're
having
their
their
kids
and
their
grandkids
stick
the
stuff
in
the
back
of
a
station
wagon.
So
we
think
it
is
highly
unlikely
that
anybody
will
need
to
use
a
tractor-trailer
in
this
site.
As
far
as
the
parking
count
is
concerned,
we
essentially
tried
to
get
as
many
parking
spaces
into
the
site
as
we
could.
G
We
knew
that
parking
was
a
concern
not
just
for
the
neighbors,
but
for
CJE,
for
they
had
to.
We
had
to
accommodate
their
buses.
We
have
to
accommodate
their
visitors,
we
have
to
accommodate
their
staff
and
for
the
residents
of
the
building
and
again
I
am
proud
of
the
work
that
our
team
has
done.
I
think
that
we
have
maximized
on
a
fairly
tricky
site,
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
we
can
get
and
part
of
the
reason
that
we
provided
those
comparables
is.
G
F
G
Did
it
did
include
the
CJD
requirements?
I
think
it
was
a
two
part
calculation
in
the
staff
report,
the
staff
report
looked
at
for
the
the
cje
facility.
They
looked
at
total
number
of
vehicles,
so
number
of
vans,
which
is
actually
11
in
in
our
case
and
a
number
of
staff,
and
then
it
looked
at
the
number
of
housing
units
and
there's
a
formula
and
I
think
it's
0.75
spaces
per
senior
housing
unit.
G
K
G
J
You
mentioned
that
dapper,
or
someone
mentioned
that
deaf
or
approved
the
project
with
comments.
The
pictures
that
we
saw
the
renderings
does
that
and
do
those
include
the
Deborah
comments
or
or
not,
and
if
you,
if
they
don't,
could
you
point
out
what
what
is
going
to
be
changed
because
of
the
dapper
comments?
G
So
if
you
can
move
to
the
very
last
slide,
there
are
some
alternatives
that
we
looked
at
yeah.
So
again,
these
are
blow-up
views
in
the
configuration
that
you
have
in
your
in
your
packet.
All
of
the
trash
was
actually
to
the
west
of
this
location,
but
after
having
this
conversation
with
the
haulers,
our
team
came
up
with
two
alternative
scenarios
where
this
would.
This
is
just
north
of
the
loading
area
and
again
we
have
enough
room
to
accommodate
the
loading
berth.
This
is
all
inside
our
garage
space.
G
We
would
create
a
second
movable
fence,
just
for
just
for
the
residential
CJE
would
continue
to
have
their
trash
and
recycling
and
composting
in
this
area,
or
we
could
potentially
create
a
consolidated
area
for
both
uses,
so
we're
still
studying
those
two,
but
we
think
either.
One
of
those
is
a
there's,
probably
an
improvement
over
what
a
per
saw
initially
I
guess
the
other.
Well,
one
of
the
other
things
that
damper
talked
about
was
the
use
of
solar
energy
renewable
energy.
Here,
as
noted,
the
building
will
end
up
being
elite
silver
building.
G
So
that's
an
improvement.
We
have
begun
the
qualification
process
of
this
building
for
the
comment:
energy
efficient,
affordable
housing
program,
so
there
will
be
a
benefit
to
the
residents
there
as
far
as
using
solar
were
in
the
process
of
starting
conversations
with
elevate
energy
who
actually
run
some
programming
for
the
city
of
Evanston.
Now
to
look
at
whether
solar
is
a
possibility.
G
So
that
was
one
of
adapters
concerns
and
then
the
last
concern
was
this
elevation
and
the
concern
that
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
building,
it
is
relatively
static
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
there's,
not
a
lot
going
on
on
that
elevation
and
I
guess.
My
response
to
that
is
that
this
is
up
against
the
property
line.
This
is
also
a
structural
shear
wall
for
the
building,
and
so
we
are
limited
in
what
we
can
do.
We
will
not
have
windows
on
that
wall.
G
We
can't
because
if,
if
the
way
the
building
works
now,
if
we
were
to
try
to
pull
it
back
far
enough
to
avoid
the
issue
in
the
building
code,
that
would
require
fire
glazing.
We
we
would
end
up
losing
about
six
units
and
we
can't
reduce
the
unit
program
and
if
we
were
to
try
to
put
windows
in
there,
fire
glazing
is
extraordinarily
expensive.
It
would
probably
add
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
to
the
budget
that
simply
is
not
available
under
under
the
affordable
housing
programs.
G
G
Potentially
some
of
the
same
sort
of
wood
or
wood
look
wrap
around
there,
but
one
of
our
concerns
is
that
if
we,
if
we
take
all
those
steps
to
embellish
that
side
of
the
building,
the
neighboring
property
owner
tomorrow
could
submit
a
proposal
to
build
a
five-story
building
right
at
that
corner,
and
so
it's
a
it's
an
urban
condition.
It's
an
urban
party
wall,
condition
and
I
guess.
My
view
is
that
kind
of
is
what
it
is.
I.
B
L
So
I'll
just
introduce
myself
I'm
Laura
prohis,
president
of
community
services
at
CJE,
Senior
Life,
so
80s
is
one
of
the
programs
under
my
purview.
The
plan
is
to
continue
the
ADEs
program,
as
that
currently
exists
after
the
renovations,
as
David
had
stated,
that
there
will
be
some
renovations
to
our
property.
Some
of
it
will
be
a
new
roof,
a
new
HVAC
system,
and
we
are
also
going
to
reconfigure
the
internal
space
to
really
enhance
the
type
of
program
we're
currently
providing
to
our
clients.
L
But
we
don't
anticipate
increasing
the
number
of
clients
that
we
serve.
We
are
actually
built
to
up
to
50.
Clients
were
averaging
35
to
40
a
day.
If
we
can
increase
the
number
of
clients,
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
it'll
still
continue
exist
as
a
day
program
with
the
building
open
between
8:00
and
5:00
and
clients
in
the
building
between
9:30
and
3:30
Monday
through
Friday.
You.
M
L
B
G
So
at
most
we
will
have
two
staff
will.
Typically,
we
have
a
manager
for
a
building
like
this,
and
we
have
a
maintenance
technician
and
very
often
that's
a
half-time
position
if
you
know
the
Northtown
library
and
housing
project,
which
is
about
a
five
minute
drive
or
less
from
this
site
right
now,
our
property
management
plan
is
to
have
one
manager
share
those
two
buildings
because
between
them
it's
44
units
at
the
other
building
assist
units.
Here
it's
only
104
units,
that's
a
typical
workload
for
one
of
our
property
managers.
G
G
B
The
the
deck
on
the
second
floor
of
the
of
the
project,
that's
gonna,
be
facing
the
the
residential
area
it's
going
to
be
used
by
both
CJE
and
the
and
the
residents.
As
far
as
the
the
railing,
I
guess,
you'd
say
facing
the
the
alley
and
then
facing
the
residences
and
I
understand
that
it
looks
like
there's.
B
Currently
all
the
properties
there
have
garages
that
are
also
act
as
a
buffer
between
them
and
the
between
you
know
your
property
and
and
there's
how
high
is
that
railing
going
going
to
be
and
we're
talking
like
it's
42
inches?
Is
it
gonna,
be
I
mean?
Are
you
gonna
be
able
it's
if
someone's
standing
on
the
deck?
Are
they
gonna
be
able
to
look
out
and
over
or
is
it
nearly.
G
Enclosed,
it's
actually
a
six
foot,
it's
a
six
foot
barrier
and,
and
part
of
that
is
for
security
purposes.
For
CJE
there
are
some
seniors
with
dementia
who
get
agitated
and
feel
like
they
have
to
run
away.
So
there
are
actually
security
procedures
in
place.
Now
their
back
fence
is
a
six
foot
fence,
okay
higher
than
that
right
yeah.
So
it
might
be
a
six
foot
concrete
element
with
a
little
bit
of
above
above
it
to
make
sure
we're
not
losing
anybody
going
over.
The
fence
got.
B
B
Okay,
let's
see
one
of
the
one
of
the
comments
we've
gotten
from
from
the
public
at
least
comment
said
have
come
in
ahead
of
time,
then
we
obviously
haven't
heard
from
the
people
that
are
here
today
is
that
the
parking
for
them
is
is
an
issue
and
in
one
of
the
comments
that
I
read,
they
were
taught
what
was
what
they
said
was
they
were
promised
there'd,
be
67
parking
spaces,
and
so
I
wanted
to
ask
you
in
at
any
point
in
the
community
meetings
that
you've
conducted
or
you've.
B
G
B
D
B
B
Okay,
I'm,
sorry,
the
the
the
reason
for
a
continuance
would
be
to
present
evidence
to
rebut
the
testimony
that
you
heard
from
the
applicants
presentation
today.
So
it
sounds
like
you're
sounds
like
you'd
like
to
make
that
continuance.
O
Hi
I'm
Lois
had
been,
and
I
am
a
neighbor
within
a
thousand
feet
and
while
I
can't
say
that
promises
were
made,
I
don't
have
a
recording
of
our
neighborhood
meetings,
but
we
were
certainly
led
to
believe
that
the
parking
and
just
all
of
these
allowances-
we're
not
going
to
be
you
know,
asked
for
that.
They
were
really
going
to
try
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
I
think
that
is
a
quote
to
really
work
with
the
neighborhood.
O
B
At
this
time,
if
someone
makes
a
request
for
continuous-
which
this
is
the
point
in
the
meeting
when
someone
would
make
that
continuance
request,
if
it's
in
proper
form,
if
it's
written
and
the
person
lives
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
project,
we
would
set
it,
we
would
set
the
the
rest
of
this
hearing
of
this
item
to
a
date.
Certain
and
all
public
comment
look.
They
would
be
the
first
person
to
speak
at
the
continued
meeting
and
all
other
public
comment
would
come
after
that.
A
B
M
A
B
N
J
N
G
So
100%
of
these
units
will
be
restricted
at
60%
of
ami,
and
we've
been
that
50%
of
the
units
will
be
covered
by
a
contract
with
the
Cook
County
Housing
Authority,
so
those
units
will
be
restricted
at
50%
of
area
median.
We
also
have
within
the
other
30%
that
are
not
on
the
County
Housing
Authority
contract.
We
have.
Six
of
the
remaining
30
units
are
restricted
at
30%,
the
very
median
the
other
24
at
60%.
G
N
Urghhh,
given
the
location
of
this,
the
Howard
Street
that
you
protect
this
neighborhood
and
every
possible
amenity
that
is
in
our
zoning
code,
to
keep
this
neighborhood
as
lovely
as
possible
and
not
to
bend
over
for
a
developer.
That's
for
profit
and
can
certainly
make
amends
to
keep
this
neighborhood
to
keep
setbacks
in
any
green
space
and
any
particulars
that
will
add
to
this
Howard
Street
neighborhood
I.
Ask
that
you
respect
our
zoning
in
those
regards
for
the
sake
of
the
neighbors
in
this
particular
part
of
our
town.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
B
Are
there
any
any
other
members
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
ask
questions
of
the
developer?
Could.
G
Q
My
name
is
steve
freeman
with
Applegate
infront
thompson,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
we
first
of
all
have
a
continuance
after
we
basically
gotten
into
the
hearing
of
the
whole
matter.
So
as
I
read
the
code,
there's
a
specific
reason
why
somebody
can
request
a
continuance,
and
it
says
for
the
purpose
of
presenting
evidence
to
rebut
testimony
of
the
applicant
not
to
inform
your
neighbors
that
there's
a
hearing
which
has
been
published
and
people
know
about,
and
materials
that
have
been
on
the
city's
website.
So
I
mean
this
is
an
expensive
project.
Q
We
have
people
here
tonight.
Obviously
people
from
the
community
have
shown
up
I'm,
just
not
familiar
with
the
notion
that
someone
simply
gets
to
stand
up
and
write
on
a
piece
of
paper
that
we
should
move
this
to
another
date
for
the
purpose
of
informing
her
neighbors
so
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
to
then
take
what
is
testimony
from
someone
we're
asking
questions
of
of
us
with
respect
to
things
I
mean?
Is
it
public
hearing
so
I
think
it
should
be
handled
as
a
public
hearing,
and
people
have
the
right
to
be
here.
Q
This
certainly
the
neighbor
can
get
up
and
and
speak
to
what
her
concerns
are.
I
think
she
already
did
to
a
certain
extent
to
say
that
she
understood
there
was
going
to
be
more
parking
but
I'm,
just
not
sure
why
we
would
be
granting
it
why
you
would
be
granting
a
continuance
under
the
code
simply
because
somebody
in
the
audience
is
asking
for
another
few
weeks
or
whatever
it
might
be.
So.
B
My
understanding
of
the
request
or
of
the
impending
request
from
the
member
of
the
public
is
that
there
was
testimony
by
the
applicant
that
was
made
today
and
that
she
intended
to
inform
her
neighbors,
because
she
believed
those
neighbors
would
be
able
to
come
in
and
help
her
Reba
testimony
with
respect
to
the
amount
of
parking
that
was
going
to
be
provided
in
the
project.
Based
on
that,
if
that
request
is
made,
I
believe
it
will
be
granted
I
I.
Q
Find
that
to
be
a
very
favorable
view
of
what
was
said,
what
I
heard
the
individual
request
and
I'm
not
even
sure
why
that's
evidence?
This
is
a
public.
You
have
standards
and
I,
don't
know
to
be
very
honest
with
you
if
David
or
anyone
else
from
the
project
would
have
stated
three
months
ago,
that
there
were
gonna,
be
a
hundred
and
eighty-three
parking
spaces
at
this
location,
and
now
we're
requesting
a
site
development
allowance
to
have
55
parking
spaces.
Why
that
would
be
a
relevant
piece
of
evidence
for
you.
Q
B
Q
Appreciate
that
again,
I
I,
just
don't
and
I,
would
expect
that
when
we
come
back.
If
that's
what
this
sounds
like
somebody's
writing
on
their
piece
of
paper,
that
there
will
be
relevant
evidence
so
that
all
of
the
time
and
effort
that
our
team
has
put
to
come
here
tonight
will
be
made
worthwhile.
But
it
won't
just
be
a
bunch
of
people
who
stand
up
and
say
I
thought
he
said
there
were
gonna,
be
more
parking
spaces
that.
P
My
name
is
Shannon
Hackett
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
I.
Have
a
couple
of
questions
to
ask
I
think
this
went
off
the
off-kilter
a
little
bit
when
the
idea
that
this
would
be
moving
without
any
public
comment
from
us
to
needing
to
have
some
kind
of
a
official
piece
of
paper
to
extend
a
discussion.
We've
had
really
good
community
meetings,
I've
been
at
several
of
them,
and
so
I
I'm
kind
of
a
little
bit
upset
that
you
know
it
was
a
procedural
thing
that
prevented
us
from
having
a
further
dialogue.
P
With
this
I
checked
my
mail
every
day,
I
did
not
know
there
were
going
to
be
variances
associated
with
this,
with
this
property
and
so
I
couldn't
have
made
a
any
kind
of
appeal
to
you
or
to
our
older
person
or
to
this
committee
before
before.
Today,
when
I
learned
about
the
fact
that
there
were
very.
B
P
G
G
That's
actually
an
emergency
exit
from
the
back
of
the
CJE
building
is
what
you're,
seeing
there
and
there's
an
emergency
exit.
You
see
the
stairway
heading
up,
there's
an
emergency
exit
from
the
deck
as
well.
So
it's
it's
emergency,
but
but
both
the
the
gate
at
the
top
there
and
the
back
door
are
locked
at
all
times.
So
really,
what's
back,
there
is
behind
the
fence,
is
the
location
for
the
dumpsters,
so
those.
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
G
As
I
as
I
tried
to
explain,
we
tried
to
put
as
many
parking
spaces
in
this
parking
structure
as
possible,
and
this
view
shows
you
and
I
think
the
front
view
show
you
part
of
the
idea
behind
this
design
was
essentially
to
avoid
creating
any
needless
connection
between
the
Howard
Street
side
and
the
alley
back
here.
So
we
still
have
the
trash
pickup
going
down
here
that
exists
today
and
that's
not
changing,
but
we
are
not
opening
a
fence
on
to
Howard
Street
and
we're
not
creating.
G
If,
if
anything,
we
are
creating
a
bit
more
of
a
barrier
between
the
traffic
and
parking
situation
on
Howard
Street
and
the
neighborhood
behind
you
know.
Why
did?
Why?
Did
we
design
this
building?
The
way
we
did
because
vans
take
up
a
certain
amount
of
space
and
cars
take
up
a
certain
amount
of
space,
and
we,
you
know
you
have
to
have
the
turning
radius
to
accommodate
all
these
things,
so
we
fit
in
as
many
as
we
possibly
could,
and
that
is
what
we're
coming
here
to
show
you
is.
P
G
P
You're
gonna
put
white
cement
up
there,
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
maintain
the
inevitable
dirt?
That's
going
to
collect
on
white,
because
the
building
is
starkly
white.
Well,
a
significant
percentage
of
it
is
starkly
white
and
and
it
so
it
is
gonna.
Look
a
little
dis,
constant
I
think,
with
the
with
the
building,
I
mean
with
the
neighborhood
I
mean
so
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
maintain
that
if,
when
the
plants
die,
whose
you
know
I'm
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
maintain
all
of
those
plants,
so.
G
It's
you
know:
we
are
long-term
owner
managers,
so
it
is
our
responsibility,
evergreens
responsibility
to
maintain
this
property
over
time.
There
is
a
minimum
15-year
hold
on
an
affordable
housing
property
so,
and
there
is
an
additional
15
years
that
the
state
agency
puts
on
top
of
it.
So
we
are
in
this
property
for
the
long
haul
and,
as
I
said,
I've
lived
in
Evanston
for
13
years,
I'm
personally,
an
owner
in
this
property,
and
so
I
feel
personally,
pretty
invested
I'm
a
five-minute
walk
away
from
this
site.
G
P
G
Think,
if
I
could
treat
that
as
a
question
for
a
second,
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
3d
cutaway
of
the
site,
I
think
part
of
the
challenge
here
is
that
in
some
of
those
early
conversations
we
had
plans,
but
we
hadn't
necessarily
developed
this
diagram.
And
if
you
just
look
at
the
floor
plans,
you
don't
necessarily
understand
how
this
building
works.
G
B
O
G
We
may
actually
have
a
rail
or
something
that's
a
little
bit
higher
than
that,
even
to
prevent
people
from
going
I
on
the
north
side
correct
on
the
alley
side,
we
are
very
mindful
that,
yes,
this
is
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
and
we
don't
want
the
shadow
from
the
building
to
block
the
block
whatever
sunlight
the
deck
can
have.
This
was
the
best
location
on
the
site
for
the
deck.
The
alternative
was
to
put
it
on
the
roof
itself,
which
makes
it
very
challenging
in
terms
of
CJE
access
at
this
location.
O
B
B
Okay,
with
that,
you
know,
I
actually
have
a
few
follow-up
questions
at
this
time.
B
B
Are
you
anticipating
that
the
the
buses
will
be
loading
and
unloading
people
in
that
in
those
in
those
spots,
or
are
they
gonna,
pull
in
unload
people
and
then
go
in
park,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
you
could
fit
in?
You
know
four,
maybe
six
more
parking
spaces
if
all
that
area
in
between
the
parking
spaces
wasn't
there.
B
G
So
the
the
the
spaces
are
kind
of
lined
up
on
the
columns
in
this
diagonal
grid,
so
we
we
had
to
do
it
that
way,
but
no,
the
intention
is
not
to
load
and
unload
in
the
deck.
The
intention
was
for
the
buses
they
will
drive
in
circulate
up
circulate
down
because
their
doors
when
they're
circulating
this
way.
Their
doors
are
at
the
entrance
here.
Drop-Off
the
clients
here
and
then
either
circulate
back
up
and
park
or
go
back
out
for
another
trip.
B
A
O
Thank
you,
so
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
that
are,
you
know
similar
to
some
of
what
Shannon
said.
The
parking
is
a
concern,
and
while
there's
studies
but
but
Evanston
is
congested
and
so
Chicago
and
the
the
promises
that
you
know
the
people
that
move
in
won't
have
cars.
You
know
I,
don't
know
I
the
people
will
have
visitors,
there's
a
lot
of
staff
that
have
to
park.
O
There's
the
vans
so
to
lowball
that
as
a
concern
and
it's
a
concern
for
our
neighborhood
as
she
Annan
talked
about
the
the
fit
to
the
neighborhood
I,
just
also
want
to
address.
The
point
was
made
that
Howard
Street
right
now
doesn't
look
so
great
and
I
would
100%
agree
with
you
100%,
but
that's
not
a
reason
to
put
up
something
that
that
doesn't
really
just
because
it's
better
than
what's
there,
that
that's
not
the
bar.
That
should
be
used.
It's
a
historic
neighborhood.
O
O
O
But
you
know
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
know
we
want
something
that
is
that
is
put
up
and
just
it
was
supposed
to
fit
into
the
neighborhood
that
that
was
also
mentioned
at
the
meetings
that
we
had
before,
and
this
white
and
orange
building
does
not
fit
at
all.
So
it's
really
taking
it's
an
improvement
over.
What's
there
because,
most
of
its
you
know
it's
a
parking
lot
and
the
Dairy
Queen,
but
but
again
the
the
bar
shouldn't
be
just
make
it
a
little
bit
better
than
what
it
is.
O
O
The
expansion
right
to
the
alley
is
a
concern.
I
do
appreciate
that
as
well
as
the
the
added
height
I
mean.
You
know,
these
are
our
properties
back
up
to
this,
and
so
it
adds.
You
know
that
much
more
of
just
a
concrete
barrier
to
that
we're
looking
at
instead
of
looking
at
sky
and
that's
important,
that's
important
to
the
people
that
live
there
and
I
know
you
mentioned
that
you've
done
everything
you
can
to
fit
things
in
here,
but
we
live
here.
This
is
where
we
live
and
I've
lived
there
for
25
years.
O
O
It
needs
to
be
higher
than
just
improving.
What's
there,
we
all
know
that
it's
a
problem
with
what
they're,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
improvements
on
Howard,
Street
and
Howard
Street
is,
is,
but
but
to
put
up
this
white
and
orange
it's
just
shocking
to
look
at
and
it
does
not
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
It's
a
historic
neighborhood.
R
R
This
is
this
is
an
area
this
particular
project
I,
very
much
am
in
support
of
Evanston
has
been
complaining
about
affordable
housing
for
a
long
time
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
fits
in
to
our
plans.
Here
we
have
a
project
that
is
100%,
affordable,
housing,
it's
something
that
the
city
should
be
welcoming.
I
do
understand
many
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors,
but
I
will
just
also
say
that
this
is
to
be
quite
honest.
This
is
a
commercial
corridor.
Howard
Street
is
a
commercial
street,
we're
putting
residential
on
a
commercial
area.
R
When
you
build
100%
affordable,
you
can't
have
extravagant
budgets,
you
can't
you
can't
deck
the
entire
are
clad
the
entire
building
in
marble
or,
and
will
it
facade
or
something
like
that?
It's
very
difficult
to
do
so.
I
think
they're
doing
a
fine
job
of
making
the
building
attractive
while
staying
within
their
budgets
to
provide
affordable
housing
for
people
in
order
to
find
someplace
in
Evanston,
where
somebody
would
be
able
to
actually
rent
something
for
$300
a
month
and
have
their
own
one-bedroom
apartment
is
great.
It's
something
we
should
be
striving
for.
R
So
I
very
much
am
in
support
of
this
project.
I
do
understand
many
of
the
parking
concerns.
My
neighborhood
is
just
as
many
parking
problems.
Probably
less
are
probably
more
because
we
have
fewer
garages.
My
neighborhood
in
my
fate,
my
particular
neighborhood,
is
multi
news
buildings
for
the
most
part,
so
I
do.
I
do
empathize
with
the
neighbors
in
terms
of
parking
on
the
street
that
sort
of
stuff,
but
I
I,
do
think
that
this
is
a
great
project.
R
B
M
So
good
evening
my
name
is
su.
Lubbock
and
I
actually
live
in
Chicago,
but
I
work
at
connections
for
the
homeless.
Here
in
Evanston,
at
1458,
Chicago
Avenue
I
also
lead
a
coalition
called
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing,
and
we
have
been
watching
this
evergreen
development
and
I
would
like
to
say.
We
are
very
excited
that
Evergreen
is
working
on
this.
M
We
feel
that
they're,
one
of
the
development
developers
who
do
affordable
housing
in
a
really
remarkable
way,
with
excellent
design,
thoughtful
density,
reasonable
use
of
variances
and
that
their
developments
really
bring
growth
and
economic
development
and
modernity
modern
development
to
neighborhoods
that
really
need
it.
We
know
that
parking
is
an
issue.
M
B
B
B
B
D
B
O
B
Parking
is
it
is
there?
Are
there
parking
problems
during
the
day?
Are
there
parking
problems
at
at
night?
When
is
the
like
heavy
part
in
usage?
I,
obviously
like
at
north
near
Northwestern,
right
parking
is
really
hard
there
during
the
day,
because
the
students
come
in
another
staff
and
other
people
come
in
and
want
to
park
on
the
street,
but
at
night
it
becomes
less
of
an
issue.
Is
it
that
way
in
your
neighborhood?
Or
is
it
the
other
way
around?
Well.
O
I
would
say
it's
probably
a
little
bit
more.
The
other
way
around,
but
often
people
will
they'll
they'll
come
from
Chicago
to
Park
they'll
come
from
other
neighborhoods
that
are
even
denser
than
ours
in
park
and
sometimes
they'll
just
leave
their
car
there
for
a
period
of
time.
So
that
goes,
you
know,
day
and
night.
So.
B
O
O
B
O
B
O
O
B
G
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
a
closing
statement.
I
just
I
appreciate
the
respectful
conversation
that
we've
had
here.
Sometimes
affordable
housing
can
be
a
hot-button
issue
issue
for
people,
regardless
of
the
physical
form
of
that
development,
and
it
seems
like
that
is
not
the
case
here
which,
as
a
resident
of
Evanston
I,
guess
I
greatly
appreciate
we're
we're
excited
about
this
project.
We're
committed
to
it
respectfully.
G
I
guess:
I
disagree
with
with
some
of
the
statements
about
the
building,
I'm,
an
architect
and
urban
planner
I
happen
to
think
it's
very
handsome
building,
but
we
all
know
that
architecture
is
a
very
subjective
art.
So
you
know
if
you've
seen
our
buildings
and
we
showed
some
pictures
at
the
front.
We
are
big
believers
in
modern
architecture
and
that's
what
we're
doing
here.
G
So
we
we
think
this
building
as
this
design
will
be
a
good
neighbor
and
will
be
a
bit
addition
to
the
neighborhood
and
again
I
am
available
at
any
time
to
talk
to
the
community.
But
we've
laid
out
the
sort
of
physical
constraints
of
our
project
and
we've
tried
to
address
those
constraints,
I
think
as
best.
We
can
with
this,
so
we
appreciate
your
time.
Thank.
D
B
All
right,
the
staff
want
to
make
a
closing
statement.
E
B
B
Reduce
the
required
rear
yard
setback
for
parking
to
zero
feet
where
15
feet
is
required.
Okay
and
I'm
looking
at
the
site
plan,
and
it
shows
that
there
is
a
drive
for
the
first
12
feet
and
then
the
parking
starts.
You
know
after
that
12
feet.
So
are
we
really
asking
for
I
mean?
Is
the
applicant
really
asking
for
an
A
for
relief
from
15
feet
to
zero?
Are
they
asking
for
15
feet
to
12,
based
on
the
application
of
the
rules?
I
think.
J
That
Evanston
should
be
building
quality
buildings
and
just
because
a
building
is
mm-hmm,
excuse
me
traditional
so-called
traditional
or
brick
or
whatever
people
think
is
traditional
doesn't
mean
it's
a
good
building
and
I
happen
to
think
this
is
a
good
building.
It's
not
white
and
orange.
It's
white
with
wood
accents,
that's
a
huge
difference
and
I
think
if
you
I
think
when
you
really
look
at
those
materials
and
the
way
they're
presented,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
very
handsome
building.
J
That's
an
easy
one.
I
think
the
variance
on
the
height
six
feet
if
I
have
it
down
correctly,
is
really
not
significant.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
that's
a
big
issue,
the
setback
in
the
rare
and
the
parking
are
more
significant
and
I.
Think
that's
that's
where
that's
where
I've
spent
most
of
my
time
here.
Thinking
about
architecture,
buildings
projects
are
full
of
compromises.
Design
is
full
of
compromises,
and
you
know
what
we
have
here
is
a
really
great
project
for
the
community.
J
J
Unpark
I
know
there's
there's
there's
the
trend
is
to
provide
less
parking.
There
are
plenty
of
garages
that
have
that
have
empty
empty
parking
spaces
and
certainly
I.
Think
if
you
talk
to
anyone,
that's
in
planning
in
Evanston
they
would.
They
would
advocate
for
Less
parking.
The
fact
that
the
neighborhood
has
the
overnight
parking
rule
has
to
be
taken
in
consideration
too
I
bottom
line.
J
For
me,
though,
is
that
I,
don't
personally
I,
don't
have
enough
experience
to
determine
whether
what
David
said
about
parking-
and
you
know,
staff
parking
in
and
how
many,
how
many
residents,
affordable
housing
residents,
have
cars
I?
Don't
I
can't
personally
prove
that
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
know
that
Evergreen
has
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
area.
I
think
that
affordable
is
very
different
than
market
rate
and
I
I.
J
Just
don't
have
anything
really
factual
to
counter
that
that
opinion
that
this
parking
is
going
to
be
adequate,
but
I
have
to
say
that
I
I
am
concerned
that
about
that
that
that
is
my
biggest
concern.
The
the
number
of
parking
spaces
everything
else
is
is
is
not
a
concern
to
me.
The
setback
I
think
that
I'm
assuming
too,
that
the
the
the
wall
that
is
maybe
I'm
wrong
about
this
but
I'm,
assuming
that
the
wall
that
protects
the
headlights
on
the
higher
levels
is
also
on
the
lower
level.
J
F
F
You
know
if
this
is
this
is
the
type
of
project
this
city
needs
to
embrace
and
support.
There
are
compromises
on
the
setback,
but
it's
a
matter
of
math.
They
have
to
fit
the
unit
and
the
basic
the
basic
elements
of
a
building
to
make
it
work.
They
have
to
make
it
fit
on
the
site
and
they
have
to
make
the
numbers
work
so
I,
don't
it's
not
that
they're
being
insensitive
to
it
they're
trying
to
make
this
project
work
in
this
location
and
that
you
know.
F
From
my
perspective,
it's
I
firmly
believe
that
I've
lived
in
Evanston
for
54
years.
I've
walked
down
Howard
Street
as
much
as
the
average
Evan
stone
Ian.
It's
the
Howard
Street
needs
this.
It's
it
needs
it
desperately
and
I
think
it's
a
I'm
glad
to
see
this
project
to
come
forward
and
and
I
hope,
you're
successful
in
breaking
ground.
F
K
Looking
at
this
project,
I'd
say
the
the
main
concern
is
for
me
to
look
at
it
going
Lots
a
lot
lined
a
lot
line
and
it
is
really
really
right
up
against
the
alley
with
single-family
right
next
to
it.
But
looking
at
the
context
of
where
this
is
on
Howard
Street
I
think
it
does
make
a
lot
more
sense
here
than
it
could
in
a
lot
of
other
places.
You
look
at
the
surrounding
properties.
It
is
really
commercial.
Its
urban
feeling,
you're,
not
residential
on
that
strip.
K
So
I
think
that
gives
it
a
little
bit
more
leeway
to
allow
this
going
lot
line
to
lot
line.
I
also,
I'm
glad
that
I
see
the
amenity
deck
space
when
I
first
looked
at
the
project,
I
was
a
little
concerned
that
there
wasn't
any
space
for
the
seniors,
since
that's
always
a
huge,
that's,
very
important
to
seniors
so
I'm
glad
that
you
incorporated
amenity
deck
space.
My
only
comment
on
the
green
wall
is
that
I'm
a
little
bit
hesitant
about
you,
showing
it
going
up
to
the
fourth
floor.
K
I,
don't
think
that's
quite
ambitious
and
it'll
take
a
long
time
for
that
to
happen,
and
it
probably
won't
live.
So
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
think
about
a
different
material
past
the
first
floor,
just
from
experience
and
whatever
you
plant,
there
is
only
gonna,
be
green
for
four
months,
but
parking
wise.
It's
Krishna
how
like
stated
it's
hard
for
us,
so
we
have
to
kind
of
take
in
your
recommendation
that
seniors
don't
have
cars
but
affordable
housing.
All
of
those
things.
K
B
This
is
a
this
is
a
project
that
I
think
is
on
a
on
a
whole,
easy
to
support.
I
would
point
out
on
the
on
the
setback
issue
that,
if
the,
if,
if
it
wasn't
parking
on
the
north
side,
if
it
was
just
retail
or
office,
that
you
could
go
to
the
lot
line
and
they
wouldn't
have
to
ask
for
any
any
variance
or
any
kind
of
relief,
it's
just
that
it's
parking.
So
the
fact
that
it's
enclosed
and
not
visible
to
the
street.
B
It's
visible
to
the
alley
and
plus
there's
no
access
from
the
alley.
I
I.
Don't
really
see
that
that
setback
request
as
an
issue
because
it
could
have
been
office,
it
could
have
been
retail
and
they
wouldn't
be
here
asking
for
anything.
So
ultimately,
I
think
that
that
I
think
that's
an
easy
one
to
get
get
over.
The
you
know
get
past
that
hurdle.
B
B
What
seems
to
me
that's
going
to
be
happening
is
that
the
that
CJE
is
going
to
get
100
percent
of
the
parking
that
it's
required
to
have,
and
it's
going
to
be
taking
from
the
residential
as
opposed
to
you
know,
cutting
it
down,
let's
say
5050
or
pro
rata
or
whatever,
and
so
that's
the
you
know.
That's
the
I
guess
issue
for
me
that
were
we're
taking
we're
allowing
for
sixty
units
and
by
code
they're
allowed
to
only
produce
what
is
it
thirty
six
spaces,
but
they're
only
going
to
be
providing
twenty-two.
B
Knowing
that
some
employees
that
are
there
during
the
day
will
travel
there
using
public
transportation
that
won't
have
cars
that,
to
the
extent
they
need
to
park
on
the
street,
they'll
be
parking
on
the
street
and
they'll
be
gone
before
the
before
their
presence
on
the
streets
of
either
Chicago
or
Evanston
affect
the
residents
in
the
area,
because
the
parking
restrictions
that
are
in
place
on
on
those
you
know
in
those
areas
have
not
taken
effect.
Yet
by
the
time
those
employees
either
get
there
or
they
leave.
B
Those
those
are
my
comments.
I
think
that
we
can
I
think
that
we
can
build.
You
know
build
something
into
the
recommendation
that
sets
aside
a
certain
number
of
parking
spaces
for
or
for
the
residential.
If
that's
a
that's
a
concern,
and
that
way
we
can,
we
can
address
those
concerns
and
and
move
forward
I
just.
B
E
B
B
G
So
one
of
the
things
that
Evergreen
does
that
many
affordable
housing
developers
don't
do.
Is
we
like
doing
mixed-use
development?
We
think
it's
the
right
thing
for
cities
and
we
think
it
leads
to
a
richer
experience
for
the
residents
that
we
are
sort
of
our
fundamental
mission
to
serve,
and
so
this
is
a
mixed-use
development,
and
the
conversations
that
we
have
had
with
our
partner
is
that
the
upper
deck
of
the
parking
structure
is
really
set
aside
and
designed
for
their
vans
plus
the
visitors.
But
mr.
G
If
there
is
a
problem,
we
can
solve
it
internally
on
the
site.
Maybe
the
way
to
do
that
is.
The
thought
was
that
the
upper
deck
is
essentially
closed
off
at
night
and
is
only
for
CJE
access,
but
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
we
can
give
our
building
residents
who
have
a
car.
A
key
card
that
is
only
activated
after
CJ
is
closed
and
give
them
access
to
the
upper
parking
deck
so
that
we
can
handle
the
spillover
parking
internally.
B
L
We
have
19
people
that
are
driving
to
work
and
three
that
are
using
public
transportation.
They
come
up
on
the
L
at
Howard
and
then
take
the
bus.
The
way
that
lot
is
currently
configured.
What
does
happen
during
the
daytime
is
when
the
drivers
arrive,
they
pull
their
buses
out
and
there's
enough
room
for
them
to
pull
their
cars
into
those
spaces.
I,
don't
know
if
the
this
parking
deck
with
a
lot
of
that.
G
G
B
M
B
L
Other
eleven
they're
using
the
other
spaces
and
as
David
described,
probably
98%
of
our
clients
come
there
via
our
Shalom
buses.
They
are,
you
know
we
provide
door-to-door
transportation
is
required
by
the
Illinois
Department
on
Aging,
which
is
our
regulatory
agency
that
oversees
the
program
mm-hmm.
H
L
We
certainly
have
families
that
bring
clients
on
their
own
or
they
have
a
doctor's
appointment
and
they
come
late,
etc
and
we
have
visitors.
We
have
students
that
come
to
the
to
the
agency
and
participate
in
the
programs.
We
have
entertainers
that
come
to
provide
services
to
the
clients
during
the
daytime,
so
we
use
the
other
parking
spaces
to
meet
those
needs.
So.
B
And
there's
26
spaces
currently
including
the
including
the
vans,
yes,
okay,
so
11
for
vans
or
the
employees
that
use
the
vans
and
then
another
11
for
another
11
for
the
employee,
the
other
employees
that
the
drive
so
that's
20
to
22
spaces
either
have
vans
or
employees
that
drive,
and
so
you
have
currently
have
four
spaces
for
visitors.
Okay
and
it's
you're
like
right
now
the
way
I'm.
B
Looking
at
this
the
site
plan,
it
looks
like
there's
for
the
most
part,
all
the
vans
and
buses
are
in
that
in
that
main
upper
area
and
there's
seven
seven
visitor
parking
spaces
are
those
going
to
remain
visitor
spaces
and
then
you're
going
to
put
going
to
put
employees
the
you
know
the
other
eleven
employees
they
will
park
in
the
lower.
That.
B
F
I
I
disagree:
I,
don't
think
they
have
a
parking
problem.
I
I
think
the
zoning
the
way
the
zoning
code
is
written
for
housing
doesn't
take
into
account
for
this
type
of
use.
I,
don't
think
the
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
have
trouble
for
their
residents
who
of
those
who
may
even
have
cars
finding
a
spot
for
them.
I
I
really
don't
think
parking
is
an
issue,
that's
my
opinion,
based
on
my
understanding
of
this
market.
So
I
I
I
think
it's
I
think,
technically
on
the
books
they're
required
to
provide
that
parking.
F
B
Absolutely
initiate
your
opinion
on
that.
All
I'm
trying
to
do
is
understand
what
the
what
the
net
effect
is
going
to
be
right.
So
where
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
how
many
spaces
are
actually
going
to
be
available
for
residential
I'm,
not
making
a
value
judgment
okay
at
this
time.
But
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
is:
where
is
everyone
going
to
be
parking?
Okay
and
so
we've
we've
established
that
the
the
bus
drivers
are
going.
B
If
the
balance
of
the
spaces
on
that
top
floor
are
for
visitors,
that's
an
increase
in
visitor
parking,
then
it's
been
what's
currently
on
site,
and
so
yes,
that's,
that's
wonderful
as
well.
Okay,
but
right
now,
we've
taken
11
spaces
for
vans.
Seven
spaces
for
visitors.
We've
been
told
that
there's
another
11
employees
that
are
gonna
have
parking
spaces
as
well.
Okay,
so
that
gets
us
that
consists
of
29
out
of
the
55
spaces
right.
So
there's.
F
F
F
B
I'm
I'm
not
I'm.
This
is
what
they're
saying
how
they're
saying
they're
going
to
use
their
parking:
okay,
we're
while
the
code
splits
it
up
and
says:
okay,
the
CG
CJE
activities
require
33
spaces
and
the
residential
require
30
36
spaces,
okay
and
they're,
providing
55
at
nowhere
in
the
recommendations
or
in
the
in
the
application.
Has
there
been
any
discussion
by
the
applicant
on
how
they're
actually
going
to
use
those
spaces
they're
by
the
zoning
they
were
required
to
provide
them
based
on
one
use
and
the
second
use?
B
So
when
we're
saying
okay,
we're
shorting
the
we're
shorting,
the
residential,
basically
the
14
spaces,
they
might
be
shorting
this
residential
more
than
the
14
spaces
that
are
required
by
code,
and
once
we
figure
out
what
that
number
is
okay,
then
we
can
make
a
value
determination
on
whether
the
whether
the
you
know
the
type
of
use
and
the
affordable
nature
of
the
of
the
project
deems
it
worthy
to
say
you
know
what
what
the
applicant
has
said
is
is
ultimately
acceptable
and
we
should
move
forward.
We're
just
eliciting
information
at
this
point.
K
B
G
G
Almost
44
percent
of
those
households
do
not
have
a
car
and
I
suspect.
If
you
were
to
further
correlate
age
with
income.
The
percentage
of
low-income,
seniors,
65
and
older,
who
do
not
have
a
car,
is
quite
a
bit
higher
than
that
and
so
Tom
Lockwood,
who
is
the
CFO
of
CJ,
pointed
out
to
me
that
they
still
operate
a
number
of
senior
housing
facilities.
They
have
one
in
Skokie.
G
That
is
about
the
same
distance
from
the
end
of
the
yellow
line,
as
this
facility
is
from
our
end
of
the
yellow
line
and
they
have
150
parking
spaces,
they
have
150
residents
in
their
building
and
they
only
have
45
parking
spaces.
So
again,
it's
that
point,
three
ish
ratio,
and
during
the
day,
when
you're
at
that
property,
because
these
are
active
seniors
as
we
suspect
our
population
will
be
that
parking
lot
is
virtually
empty
because
the
seniors
go
out
during
the
day
and
they
do
their
errands
during
the
day.
G
G
The
intention
was
that
the
lower
parking
deck
was
for
residents
of
the
building
plus
CJE
staff,
but
I
guess.
The
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make
earlier
is
because
we
are
partners
in
this
venture
that
we
don't
have
a
need.
It's
not
like
it's
a
condominium
structure
where
we
own
some
and
CJ
you
own
some
we're
joint
venturing
on
this.
We
have
the
flexibility
to
shift
around,
and
so,
if
we
don't
really
need
seven
visitor
parking
spaces
on
the
top
deck,
but
we
need
more
employee
parking.
G
G
B
B
B
J
H
J
B
Right,
it
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
okay.
Well,
we
heard
testimony
on
it's
just
money
that
it
could
potentially
interfere
with
the
with
the
property,
whether
it
would
interfere
with
a
diminish
the
value
of
the
property.
That
is
not
something
that
we
we,
that
is
not
testimony
that
we
received.
It,
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
B
That
satisfied
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
I,
believe
we
had
testimony
that
they
well
number
one.
They
underwent
a
traffic
study
and
they're
they're,
avoiding
the
using
the
alley
to
cause
to
cause
issues
to
the
residents
in
the
back
and
we're
removing
one
of
the
one
of
the
three
curb
cuts,
so
I
believe
that's
satisfied,
preserves
significant
historical
or
architectural
resources
that
is
not
applicable
unless
you
consider
the
old
Dairy
Queen
historical
resource
preserve
significant
natural
environmental
features.
B
Both
of
these,
the
sites
that
are
going
to
be
built
on
are
already
fully
paved
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
in
the
districts
located
and
other
apical
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
such
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
planned
development
process.
That
I
mean,
as
far
as
I
can
tell
that's
always
satisfied.
B
Okay
moving
on
standards
for
planned
developments
as
a
special
use
planned
developments
involves
such
special
considerations
of
the
public
interest
that
it
should
be
require
to
adhere
to
the
specific
plan
development
standards
established
in
the
zoning
district
in
which
it
is
located.
Compliance
with
the
standards
shall
govern
the
recommendations
of
a
Plan
Commission
applicable
to
a
planned
development
and
the
action
of
the
City
Council.
In
order
to
ensure
that
an
approved
plan
development
is
in
harmony
with
the
general
purposes
and
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
B
The
plan
Commission
shall
not
recommend
approval
of,
nor
shall
the
City
Council
approve
a
planned
development
unless
each
shall
determine
based
on
written
findings
of
fact,
the
planned
development
satisfies
the
specific
standards
established
in
the
zoning
district
in
which
the
planned
development
is
located.
Okay,
so
that's
what
we're
doing
right
now,
I'm,
not
sure
that
there's
anything
else
to
to
say
there
standard
and
guidelines
for
planned
developments
in
the
b2
district
number
one.
B
Each
plan
development
shall
be
compatible
with
surrounding
development
and
shall
not
be
of
such
a
nature
in
height,
bulk
or
scale
as
to
exercise
any
influence,
contrary
to
the
purpose
and
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
as
set
forth
in
Section
six
one,
six,
one
two
purpose:
an
intent
of
this
title:
okay,
so
as
far
as
height
they're
asking
for
six
feet
as
far
as
bulk.
This
is
this
is
well
below
the
the
bulk.
It
is
at
least
my
opinion
that
this
this
item
is
satisfied.
B
B
K
conservation
of
the
town,
value
of
land
and
buildings
throughout
the
city
and
retention
of
taxable
land
on
tax
rolls:
okay!
Well,
there's
a
lot
there
as
far
as
adding
to
the
tax
rolls,
it
absolutely
will
well
do
that,
we're
adding
residential
on
floors.
You
know
two
through
four,
which
is
well
within
what
is
supposed
to
be
added
into
a
business
district,
we're
not
adding
any
any
retail
on
this.
B
On
the
first
floor,
which
is
unfortunate,
but
obviously
the
site
constrictions
that
we've
been
discussing,
prevent
that
the
you
know,
the
the
one
issue
that
we
have
here
is
that
I
think
we've
we've
explored
is
a
traffic
impact
that
parking
mainly
just
the
parking,
but
otherwise
on
the
whole.
I
would
say
that
this
is
satisfied.
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
any
comments?
Okay,.
H
B
On
three
each
plan
development
shall
enhance
and
maintain
the
pedestrian
character
of
the
business
districts.
Okay,
I,
don't
think
there
was
any
testimony
that
this
project
was
going
to
reduce
the
pedestrian
character
of
the
of
the
business
districts
and
again
we
are
removing
one
of
the
curb
cuts
which
is
in
favor
of
pedestrians.
B
So
I
would
say
that's
satisfied
number
for
each
plan.
Development
shall
enhance
the
streetscape
architectural
character
of
the
business
districts,
including,
where
possible,
preserving
character,
giving
buildings
and
existing
streetscape
amenities.
So
we
received
testimony
that
the
existing
building
is
going
to
be
the
facades
going
to
be
upgraded,
that
the
developer
is
going
to
be
adding
trees,
and
we
know
that
one
of
the
recommendations
of
staff
is
that
the
developer
work
with
the
work
with
the
city
to
select
appropriate
trees
for
that
portion
of
the
street,
so
I
would
say
that's
satisfied
and
number
five.
B
Each
plan
development
shall
be
completed
within
two
years
of
the
issuance
of
the
special
use.
Permit.
Okay,
well:
I'm,
not
gonna,
continue
reading
that.
That's
something
really
prospective
and
it
will
be
a
requirement
of
the
developer.
So
that's
satisfied
number
six.
No
special
use
permit
for
a
planned
development
shall
be
valid
for
a
period
longer
than
one
year
unless
a
building
permit
is
issued
again.
B
This
is
prospective
we're
not
going
to
go
through
that
they're
gonna
have
to
the
developer,
is
gonna
have
to
comply
with
that
in
order
to
maintain
their
planned
development
approval,
should
they
get
it
number?
Seven.
All
landscaping
is
cheap
scape
streetscape
treatment
within
the
plan.
Development
shall
be
provided
in
accordance
with
requirements
set
forth
in
Chapter.
Seventeen
landscaping
and
screening
I
believe
we
received
testimony
that
that
was
in
fact
going
to
be
provided.
So
we'll
call
that
satisfied
unless
there's
any
objections.
B
B
F
E
B
B
The
planned
development
application
passes
unanimously.
It
will
be
sent
to
the
City
Council
for
review
and
determination.
We're
gonna
take
a
two
minute
recess
to
let
the
people
that
have
been
here
for
this
item
to
exit
and
then
we,
when
we
return,
we
will
move
on
to
plmd
0-1-0-3,
planned
development,
setbacks
and
residential
districts.
B
D
C
Good
evening,
commissioners,
members,
members
of
the
public
making
Jones
neighborhood
a
land
use,
planner
I,
will
dive
right
in
here.
As
the
Commission
is
fully
aware,
our
zoning
ordinance
provides
regulations
for
possible
plan
developments
and
addresses
items
specific
to
the
review
process,
minimum
thresholds
and
things
like
site
development
allowances
for
each
specific
project.
C
The
minimum
spacing
between
any
two
residential
buildings
within
the
planned
development
shall
be
12
feet.
Now.
The
similar
setback
requirements
from
residential
districts
or
residential
use
own
districts
exist
in
some
of
our
other
zoning
classifications,
and
they
generally
vary
based
on
the
intensity
of
the
uses
that
are
within
that
particular
zoning
district,
so
requires
setbacks,
for
a
business
district
would
probably
be
less
than
required
setbacks
for
an
industrial
district
that
would
have
a
heavier
manufacturing
or
something
of
that
nature.
So
the
applicants,
who
also
has
a
proposed
residential
development
application,
specifically
a
zoning
analysis.
C
That's
in
currently
has
a
planned
development.
That's
proposed
at
1555
for
age.
This
would
be
affected
by
the
particular
regulations
and
the
building
location
specifics
that
I
mentioned
they
are
proposing
to
make
that
building
location
and
spacing
requirements.
A
site
development
allowance
after
receiving
the
application
staff,
actually
took
a
look
at
past
projects
and
found
that
the
interpretation
of
that
15
foot
setback
requirement
for
dwelling
units.
It
has
actually
varied
over
time.
I
would
say
up
until
the
earlier
2000s.
C
In
some
cases,
the
setback
was
actually
granted
and
was
considered
to
be
exceeding
the
maximum
site
development
allowance
and
had
to
receive
a
supermajority
vote
from
the
City
Council,
and
some
examples
of
that
would
be
the
reserved
at
19:30
Ridge
down
the
street
and
a
Church
Street
Village
at
1613,
Church
Street
and
a
couple
of
other
planned
developments.
The
relief
appears
to
have
been
granted
the
requirements
in
the
form
of
a
site,
development
allowance
or
the
site
development
allowance.
C
However,
it
more
recently
the
Community
Development
in
large
apartments
have
actually
determined
that
those
developments
have
not
been
eligible
to
request
relief
from
that
minimum
setback.
So
what
is
proposed
tonight
would
provide
some
clarity
on
that
issue.
So,
specifically,
what
is
being
proposed
is
to
change
a
section.
6
8,
1,
10
C,
specifically
item
number
3
to
essentially
add
any
language
that
for
that
15-foot
setback
requirement
for
dwellings.
We
would
say
that
would
be
required
unless
it
is
otherwise
approved
as
a
site
development
allowance
by
the
City
Council.
C
We
would
not
be
making
any
changes
to
that.
The
spacing
between
two
buildings
now,
taking
that
into
consideration
for
planned
developments
that
do
come
before
the
Commission,
we
would
still
be
taking
into
consideration
items
like
the
general
bulken
density
of
the
building,
building
height,
the
proximity
of
the
building
to
adjacent
buildings
and
structures
and
how
the
site
circulation
might
be
affected.
As
well
as
general
items
like
the
neighborhood
of
context,
so,
as
is
the
case
for
all
of
our
text
and
map
amendments,
you've
got
the
four
standards
which
we
can
go
over
in
more
detail.
J
Don't
have
any
questions
but
I
think
one
of
the
significant
things
about
setbacks
is
the
context,
and
maybe
that's
one
of
the
things
you
mentioned
that
you
know
how
far
setback
are
the
other
buildings
on
that
block,
or
you
know
something
like
that.
That's
to
be
more
important
than
than
anything
so
anyway,
I
but
I
don't
see
any
problem.
H
B
Wouldn't
this
situation
normally
be
handled
by
requesting
a
a
map
amendment
to
change
the
zoning
from
residential
to
let's
say
a
commercial
I
mean
it
sounds
to
me
like
this
is
going
like
the
situations
where
this
would
arise,
we're
talking
about
a
very,
very
large
structure,
right
and
so
the
way
to
get
a
route.
The
way
to
like
get
around.
This
would
usually
be
to
just
ask
for
change
from
residential
to
another
zoning
district
and
then
ask
for
a
planned
development
allowance
right
and
so.
C
You
you
do
bring
up
a
good
point
that
a
owning
change
could
be
requested
in
some
cases.
That
could
actually
be
done
if
it's
adjacent
to
a
zoning
district,
where
that
change
would
make
sense.
In
some
cases,
you
may
have
a
residential
development
that
is
placed
squarely
within
other
residential
zone
areas
and
that
would
end
up
being
slide.
Zoning
which
we
don't
promote.
C
F
C
F
C
F
B
So
the
the
request
is
well
right.
Now
the
code
says
it
has
to
be.
You
have
to
be
at
least
15
feet
away
from
the
street
or
any
other
boundary
line,
and
they
want
the
ability
to
go
lower
than
15
feet.
So
have
a
zero
to
allow
the
applicant
to
request
a
zero
foot
setback
in
a
residential
district
abutting,
another
residential
property.
B
H
H
H
B
B
He
wants
to
he's
planning
on
making
an
application
for
planned
development.
That's
gonna
be
before
us
and,
let's
say
the
next
few
months,
and
currently
because
the
property
he's
seeking
to
develop,
isn't
in
our
district
he's
required
to
maintain
a
15-foot
setback
from
the
property
line.
What
he's
saying
is
that
the
property
adjacent
to
him
or
to
his
proposed
development
site
provides
an
18
foot
setback
on
their
side
and
he
intends
to
make
his
application
such
that
it'll
be
a
zero
setback
on
his
side.
S
So,
instead
of
imposing
a
consistent,
15
foot
setback
on
residential
districts
from
the
lowest
density
to
the
highest,
this
would
allow
the
Commission
to
consider
lesser
setbacks
in
higher
density.
You
know,
or
any
residential
district
where
that
type
of
reduction
would
be
appropriate.
Okay,
let's
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
B
S
K
C
B
C
C
B
All
right,
let's
look
at
the
standards.
I'm,
sorry,
do
you
have
any
deliberation
before
we
look
at
the
standards.
Anyone
have
anything
you
want
to
say:
okay,
all
right
standards
for
amendments.
Whether
the
pros
amend
proposed
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies.
The
copper
has
a
general
plan,
as
adopted
an
amendment
from
time
to
time
by
the
City
Council.
It
seems
to
me
having
the
flexibility
to
make.
You
know,
value
determinations
on
projects
make
sense
in
a
planned
development
situation.
I
think
this
is
I
think
this
is
satisfied.
B
Commissioners,
if
you
ever
disagree
with
me,
just
go
ahead
and
and
shout
at
me
whether
the
proposed
amendment
is
compatible
with
the
overall
character
of
existing
existing
development.
In
the
immediate
vicinity
of
the
subject
property,
there
is
no
subject
property,
so
I
would
say
that
this
is
not
applicable
whether
the
proposed
amendment
will
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties.
Again,
this
is
giving
flexibility.
We
would
make
those
determinations
on
a
site
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
so
not
not
applicable
the
adequacy
of
public
facilities
and
services
not
applicable.
B
Passes
unanimously,
it
goes
to
the
City
Council
and
the
any
other
cue
the
commissioners
have
any
other
business
they
wish
to
present
to
the
Commission
hearing.
None
any
comments
from
the
public
hearing.
None
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
a
cozy
drive
a
second
come
on
all
right,
draper,
all
in
favor.