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A
Information
is
recovering
from
a
heart
transplant.
I
was
with
him
at
a
picnic
on
Monday.
I
was
with
him
at
coffee
this
morning,
he's
home
from
the
rehab
Institute
heart.
Mind,
spirit
are
all
very
good
kidneys
right
arm
and
hand
over
all
strength,
still
works
in
progress,
he's
doing
he's
in
physical
therapy
he's
in
dialysis,
two
or
three
days
a
week,
and
you
know
getting
the
use
of
this
handbag,
but
basically
everything's
moving
in
the
right
direction.
We're
feeling
very
good
thank.
A
A
A
He
probably
should
include
an
item
called
welcomes,
because
we
have
several
to
make
first
lr
welcome
Patrick
brown,
who
is
our
newest
and
ninth
Commissioner.
We
are
now
full
strength,
Patrick's,
a
lifelong
Evan,
Stone
Ian
and
works
from
a
Q
construction
in
pre-construction
planning.
So
he
brings
some
skills
to
us
that
we
don't
have
we're
glad
to
have
you
rose.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
You
all
have
had
communication
with
megan
jones,
but
I
don't
know
whether
you've
met
her
megan
is
now
the
community
planner.
So
at
some
point
in
the
near
future,
she
will
become
my
right-hand
Megan
was
in
the
economic
development
department
before
she
came
here
and
prior
to
that
worked
in
the
city
of
Chicago
in
the
city
of
Carbondale,
so
she's
had
some
experience
with
university
counts.
We're
glad
to
have
you
here
and
finally,
the
overflow
crowd.
A
A
A
They
surprised
I
worked
hard
and
just
going
to
do
it.
Okay,
then
we
will
move
on
to
the
two
substantive
items
before
us.
Both
of
these
have
been
noticed
as
public
hearings
and
I'll
just
described.
How
go
briefly
through
the
process
that
we
will
use
in
hearing
these.
In
both
of
these
cases,
the
staff
are
functioning,
is
the
petitioner,
so
staff
will
make
a
brief
presentation
of
the
proposal
and
their
recommendation.
A
We
will
then
question
staff
if
any
members
of
the
public
which
to
question
staff
they
may
do
so
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
present
testimony
may
then
do
so,
and
we
will
cross-examine
them
that
being
done.
The
petitioners
may
make
a
brief
final
statement
if
they
wish,
we
will
close
the
public
record
at
that
point
and
proceed
to
Commission
deliberation.
A
A
C
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman,
just
real
quick.
This
first
case
the
parliamentarian
ahmed,
it's
just
a
simple
change:
the
ordinance
to
make
it
more
consistent
and
the
rest
of
the
web
code,
basically
impermanence
equal
to
definition
of
Katie,
Holmes
or
consumer
loan
establishments
in
the
definitional
section,
and
that
division
sections
here
on
the
on
the
screen
and
the
last
part
is
outlined
in
red
talks
about
the
factors
payday
loans
are
required
to
give
them
a
1,000
feet
apart.
C
C
For
the
particular
uses
a
lot
to
identify
where,
as
far
as
a
lot
as
a
permitted,
use
or
special
use
under
any
other
specific
regulations
about
that,
so
this
proposed
specimen
book
really
add
that
language
mr.
underline
next
to
the
name,
Baylor's
purchasable,
an
establishment
that
is
listed
as
a
special
use
within
dc2
commercial
district.
That's
what
we,
the
only
district
for
your
baby
loans,
are
allowed,
so
we're
just
proposing
to
end,
which
is
a
lot
for
1,000
feet
from
another,
similar
establishment
and
its
measured
crappie
light
property
line.
C
We're
really
not
opposing
any
other
changes.
There
are
no
changes,
obviously
took
this
current
regulations,
the
thousand-foot
requirement
and
stay
at
state,
so
we
believe
it.
This
will
make
it
easier
or
potential
businesses
to
identify
and
find
out
about
requirements
between
the
between
pieces.
It
also
evasive,
consistent
big
other
similar
requirements
that
we
have
brother
types
of
users,
most
notably
recently,
especially
we
had
a
firearm
ranges
and
probationary
next
incarnation.
Th
district
we're
allowed
the
FB
year
the
apart,
so
it's
related
consistent
and
confusion
with
national
activism.
C
These
are
the
standards
for
uncle
any
amendments
of
this
case,
police
scanner.
Seven
satisfied
to
last
particular
standard
on
public
facilities.
It
refers
to
be
mad
men
as
a
resilient,
so
we
believe
that
the
proposals
consist
of
the
conference
plan,
as
I
mentioned,
will
be
the
regulations
consistent
across
the
phone
and
was
sure
that
we
allow
for
changing
uses
that
are
edible,
different
characters
neighborhoods
in
commercial
districts.
So
we
are
going
to
divert
detail.
That's
Louie,
Christy,
take.
C
A
C
I
will
try
to
show
is
typically
for
the
firearm
ranges.
That's
the
latest
one
that
we
did
so
we've
added
a
whole
new
section
of
the
code
under
chapter
4
that
deals
with
firearm
ranges,
because
there
are
other
requirements
that
pertain
to
fire
our
manges
that
have
been
a
license.
They
have
to
be
in
certain
specific
districts
and
they
have
to
be
certainly
a
certain
distance
away
from
schools
and
parks,
etc.
So
we're
firearm
range
is
allowed.
C
It
says
minimum
of
350
feet
from
so-and-so
and
then
also
refers
to
that
particular
section
under
chapter
4
that
has
additional
requirements.
So
what
you
will
see
throughout
the
code
is
that
if
I
use
his
list,
that
is
allowed
and
there's
some
specific
regulations
about
that,
it
would
see
what
state,
as
allowed
under
section
so-and-so
in
the
chapter
4
that
deals
with
whatever
that
uses.
F
C
We
thought
about
that.
We
didn't
find
it
nothing
as
simple
as
this
and
we've
consulted
illegal
generally.
The
City
Council
prefers
that
sees
these
separately.
You
know
particular
item.
You
know
issues
one
by
one.
We
thought
about
combining
this
with
the
next
case
of
the
heights,
because
that
change
is
also
very
minimal,
but
the
preference
was
to
add
them
separate
and
process
them.
Two
separate
types
of
loans,
I.
A
E
These
procedures
eliminating
look
at
the
threat,
Frances
and
making
it
so
there
was
one
reference
at
one
source
that
a
change
so
to
avoid
to
avoid
the
possibility
of
conflict.
You
know
in
the
future
should
someone
not
realize
that
it's
implemented
places
and
I
think
it's
up
I!
Think
it's
managerially
difficult
to
maintain.
C
H
A
Commissioners,
fellow
alum
Dubin,
are
you
comfortable
with
an
amendment
to
that
effect?
I
am
yes,
okay,
okay,
then
we
will.
Then
the
motion
is
to
prove
to
recommend
the
amendment,
as
recommended
by
staff,
with
the
further
recommendation
that
the
definition
be
amended
to
conform,
and
you
know
what
we
mean
by
that:
okay.
C
A
Case
number
15
pln
be
007
for
zoning
ordinance
text
amendment
to
specify
the
height
requirements
for
plan
development
in
the
b3
downtown
core
development
district
began,
the
same
procedure.
Staff
will
present
the
proposal
and
we
will
question
staff
and
public
may
question
the
staff.
We
will
then
invite
the
question
for
public
to
testify.
C
And
turn
forth
so
the
second
case
is
little
horse
potato
either
the
height
requirement
for
private
office,
industry
district.
So
the
current
regulations,
you
know
what
do
you
expect?
The
other
two
general
height
restriction
for
every
sewing
district
and
particularly
for
the
downtown
districts.
We
got
four
downtown
districts,
be
one
two
three
four:
they
all
have
their
own
type
of
regulations.
C
That
is
something
that's
inconsistent,
somewhat
confusing
not
only
to
to
developers
a
public
comments,
also
positive
staff,
and
we
felt
that
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
try
to
address
that
concern
and
inconsistency
and
saying
that
there's
no
potential
development
of
anything
like
that
out
there
right
now
and
I'd
also
want
to
point
out
at
all
other
downtown
districts,
to
allow
under
general
hype
regulations
and
for
all
my
elements.
Bed
appears
four
levels
parking
surplus
that
those
four
levels
parking
can
be
excluded
from
the
building
height
populations
in
v3.
C
Again
is
the
only
only
section.
This
is
that
section
on
from
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
heightens
you
can
see
that
seems
budget
for
850
an
actual
building.
I'm
in
d3
is
85
feet
and
then
the
next
three
sets
to
talk
about
the
fact
that
you
can
exclude
that
the
problem
is
the
vast
majority
of
developments
downtown
have
to
be
processed.
My
melons
simply
because
of
the
skill
development
downtown
there
you're
going
to
build
a
building,
it's
over
20,000
square
feet
and
/
code.
C
Any
construction
over
20,000
square
feet
has
to
be
process
to
plaintiff
l.
So
in
essence,
right
there
froggy
sanity
p,
which
is
get
downtown
for
kind
of
our
penalized,
for
you
think
you
want
to
provide
our
concern
and
then
this
is
the
section
of
the
code:
videos
at
five
developments
for
the
downtown
section:
6
11
one-tenth,
the
subsection
C
talks
about
development
allowances.
Under
one
talks
about
the
height
increase.
You
need
to
be
18
to
24
fees
and
beeps.
We
can
get
up
increase
43
feet
in
a
d3.
C
C
There's
too
much,
but
oh,
so
this
is
the
value
of
the
deep
Rida
sticks
here.
It
goes
along
South,
baby
seat
down
to
Grove
or
your
Sherman,
and
so
South
is
often
a
beta
Street
stop
and
if
there's
not
a
sectional
here
center
going
to
church
street
its
best
of
the
bunch
of
tracks
and
then,
if
you
can
see
how
to
tens
over
here
only
to
stop
d
2.
Is
this
a
lighter
blue
color?
C
And
then
the
big
boy
here
in
the
middle
is
that
research
park
fits
those
sort
of
a
leftover
from
Oh,
late,
eighties
and
early
nineties,
and
we
do
have
a
plan
to
try
to
be
so
mad
at
some
point
next
year
and
it
will
be
probably
a
30.
You
know
make
sure
your
be
four
is
Pete
ones
and
d3
from
so
so
this
is
just
mad
to
kind
of
put
it
in
perspective,
as
I
mentioned,
the
Deep
Freeze
really
deserve
for
the
core
of
the
downtown.
C
So
going
back
to
one.
Each
individual
downtown
district
allows
currently
the
high
seas
bottom
4281
8285
in
the
d3
and
d4
for
residential
and
the
décor
I'm.
Sorry
now
the
residential
e5
unite.
There's
the
residential
component
to
the
beat
for
district.
The
maximum
height
is
105
feet
and
then
the
silo
and
allowances.
What
what
the
four
levels
apartment
really
do
is,
if
you
can
see,
if
I
can
help
put
it
all.
C
That
includes
four
levels
of
parking
you
can
actually
that
the
side
wall
and
allow
is,
you
can
get
to
100
six
feet
if
a
d1
bistec
125
feet
of
the
t2
and
in
170
feet,
maybe
three.
Unless
you
have
a
lot,
that's
why
the
95
he
hit
220
with
those
four
levels,
partner,
excluded
and
then
in
the
d4,
there's
known
as
edge
of
the
planet
of
the
166
key.
If
there
is
a
residential
component
for
the
outskirts
will
be
downtown
to
be
four,
then
the
maximum
hybrid
parking
people
are
in
fighting.
C
That's
one
thing
that
deadly
me
the
flag
for
us
is
that
a
deep
out
early
outs,
1st
district
before
where
you
will
see
presidential
primarily
we
actually
allow
the
taller
structure
than
who
you
would
allow
downtown
core,
so
that
that
was
one
of
things
that
we
noticed
that
he
said
this
is
doesn't
seem
to
be
right.
So
both
the
comprehensive
plan
to
the
downtown
plant
both
want
the
eyes
densities
of
nepal's
goings
so
to
the
for
Dave
from
or
residential
areas
of
the
ousters.
C
So
that's
what
we
would
trigger
this
and
once
the
proposed
amendment
is
really
just
the
elimination
of
those
five
words
in
this
section:
602
110
doin
a
that
except
McGee,
three
distinct,
which
we
then
even
for
all
downtown
business.
The
four
levels
of
parking
can
be
to
live
for
the
young.
For
the
high
population.
C
C
It
really
encouraged
without
owing
to
land
uses
and
enhance
the
hospitality
and
downtown
we
short
pieces
and
the
high-density
closes
to
the
transit
stops
as
I
mentioned,
the
downtown
plan
is
about
in
2009
is
called
for
more
predictable
insensible
development
regulations
and
this
particular
provision
making
the
infant
system
in
the
other
downtown's
is
something
that
we've
heard
is
confusing.
So
this
would
address
that
at
all.
It's
also
consistent
about
the
top
line
of
the
downtown
plan
to
allow
for
both
high
density
and
cause
I
see
the
core
of
the
downtown.
C
C
What
we've
seen
the
problem
close
of
these
plaintiff
elders.
As
you
probably
know
most
the
time
they
do
not
provide
on-site
parking
parking
is
really
expensive.
Our
developers,
the
idea
of
the
downtown
districts
that
was
developed
in
the
early
90s
1993,
a
tan
from
the
1989
downtown
plant,
never
really
called
for
a
creation
need
downtown
districts
used
to
be
v1
v2
throughout
the
downtown,
and
the
effort
was
to
encourage
the
city
to
to
encourage
new
development
excuses
and
the
core
of
the
downtown
was
centered
round
up.
Even
in
the
downtown
plan.
C
499
+
center
of
gravity,
the
train
stations
and
then
later
on
when
1993
was
a
zoning
districts
were
drafted,
the
the
boundaries
between
the
district's
really
kind
of
jacket
and
out.
So
it's
really
hard
for
any
use
or
developer
today,
understand
that
across
C
to
D
to
across
used
III
and
there's
different
regulations
for
that
so
also
decisions
this
year.
C
That's
a
concern,
and
we
also
know
me:
pestle
research
follow
where
other
cities
are
doing
and
we
found
that
most
of
the
city's
encouraged
parking
underground
and
they
provide
bonuses
for
developments
to
you
know,
increase
in
height
a
person
density.
If
you
provide
party
on
the
ground
for
aniston,
and
this
proximity
to
delay
is
extremely
expensive
to
be
parking
on
the
ground,
we're
having
a
hard
time
convincing
developers
to
cook
even
one
level
of
parking
on
the
ground.
It's
just
cause
for
dinner,
so
instead
there's
probably
why
the
coordinates
included
to
see
the
first
place.
C
To
give
you
the
credit
they
do
provide
on-site
parking
to
give
them
the
credit
at
those
levels
of
parking
up
to
four
levels.
Do
not
know
now
this
is
you
know,
Arizona
question:
why
was
this
provision
included
here
because
it
was
clearly
deliver
everyone
purpose
that
only
the
d3
district
by
developers
should
be
its
food.
Let
me
try
to
find
that
as
much
as
we
can
and
really
the
best
thing
that
we
found
was.
C
Where
developments
and
can
share
the
pardoning,
they
don't
have
to
provide
on-site.
There
was
also
concerned
about,
and
that's
why
you
know
the
the
parking
structure,
Dale,
Abbey,
Park
garages
and
built
in
the
late
90s.
The
Sherman
files
out
of
the
whole
complex
in
the
parking
was
also
built
in
early
2000s
and
I.
Think
the
parking
structure
over
on
Church
and
as
you
thought
of
it,
was
also
the
front
end
time.
C
Other
thing
about
that
I'll
point
out
is
that
the
death
99
plan
believe
was
someone
concerned
about
loss
of
meeting
ground
floor
retail
uses,
and
that
spyderco
includes
a
requirement
that,
if
there's
a
parking
structure
in
one
of
these
buildings,
Kron
4s
to
be
devoted
to
retail
so
giving
these
to
be
before
there
are
than
all
of
us
that
proposed
12
or
even
four
levels
parties.
We
would
obviously
require
the
big
five
detail
of
the
ground.
So
does
that
answer?
C
So
that's
the
best,
that's
the
best
of
what
we
found
in
terms
of
why
this
was
included
in
here.
It
was
clearly
done
on
purpose,
but
we
felt
bad.
It's
just
inconsistent.
It
does
seem
to
make
a
lot
of
sense.
You
can
actually
build
tolerance.
Structures
on
the
outskirts
will
be
downtown.
Jumping
though
the
intent
of
focus
on
the
word
incentive
plans.
So
we
hope
that
this
kind
of
to
address
that
for
future
projects.
So
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
E
So
is
this
consistent
or
in
your
mind
or
inconsistent
with
our
and
as
you
mentioned,
this
zone,
which
was
around
the
unique
situation,
or
we
have
two
parallel
I've
heard
this
coming
out
of
your
research
before
that.
This
is
a
unique
place
in
the
urban
area
that
both
metro,
rail
and
elevated
both
have
parallel
stations,
and
this
is
ideal
for
transit-oriented
developments,
which
is
eliminating
parking
and
encouraging
alternate
means
of
transportation.
So
is
this
in
your
mind,
consistent
as
a
planner?
Well,.
C
So,
while
we
do
believe
that
a
reduced
amount
of
parking
is
adequate
and
should
be
provided
in
the
downtown
area,
the
parking
needs
to
be
provided
and,
and
both
the
the
neighbors
and
the
businesses-
and
you
know
if
it's
gonna
be
a
condo.
You
know
compete
future
buyers
generally.
There
should
be
some
parking
provided.
What
this
really
does
is
because
they
cannot
go
underground
and
they
put
it
above
grade
whatever.
That
is
one
level,
maybe
two
levels
it
is.
It
is
excluded
from
that
height.
C
One
thing
that
this
destiny
staff
is
looking
at
right
now
we
have
engaged
with
the
RTA
regional
transportation
authority
on
a
study
to
amend
and
modify
our
parking
requirements
right
now,
they're
based
on
the
number
of
bedrooms,
and
so,
if
there's
a
residential
project
downtown
anywhere,
you
know
the
number
of
parking
spaces
are
required
is
based
on
the
bedroom.
So
we're
currently
working
across
all
things.
You
do
a
comprehensive
overhaul
of
the
parking
requirements,
at
least
around
the
transit
stops.
You
know
what
that's
going
to
end
up
being
I
really
have.
C
No
idea
is
too
early
in
the
process.
Hopefully
we'll
come
back
to
plan
commission
at
some
time
before
the
other
year,
but
it
may
come
to
a
point
that
the
entire
downtown
is
called
a
Tod
area
where
we
can,
you
know,
require
reduce
number
apartment.
Maybe
it's
going
to
focus
on.
You
know
around
all
trying
stuff,
but
that's
that's
one
element
that
we're
looking
at
parking,
but
it's
just
it's
to
combine
this
particular
modification
that
other
changes
for
zoning
ordinance.
A
B
I
I
J
A
J
A
Oh
ok,
oh
let
the
record
show
that
two
of
us
but
Candace.
J
You
have
to
do
with
not
making
sure
that
the
plan
commission
we
have
discretion
to
deal
with
a
very
complex
in
glen
fiddle
d.
3
are
complexed
by
nature
just
because
of
where
they
were
I
know
that
stuff,
which
part
would
like
to
have
a
true
it
improve
a
complex
process,
was
designed
to
be
a
home
because
the
buildings
are
talking
about
her
complex.
J
J
A
C
We
are
not
proposing
any
changes
to
the
use
of
their
law
of
the
deeper
district.
Whatever
use
do
we
allow
and
that's
mix
of
commercial
residential
any
of
those
uses,
so
there
should
be
no
impact
in
terms
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhoods
and
I
was
meant
to
touch
back
on
the
heights
of
these
plan
development.
Every
city
has
allowed
the
last
10
to
20
years
and
generally,
these
planned
developments
always
ask
for
psych
ball
that
allows
that
they
see
the
maximum
height
either
way.
A
G
C
No,
that's,
okay,
so
so
the
just
to
go
back
to
what
mrs.
Feldman
indicated
about
Allentown
plan.
As
you,
some
of
you
might
may
recall,
the
downtown
plan
was
of
maybe
two
three
year
process
that
ultimately
was
approved.
A
plan
itself
was
approved
in
2009,
so
the
plan
included
number
of
recommendations,
the
last
one
of
which
was
a
draft
zoning
change
for
the
entire
downtown.
That
draft
was
to
split
the
downtown
districts,
the
current
for
downtown
district
into
even
more
snow
in
distance.
C
So
then,
after
the
downtown
plan
was
adopted,
the
change
the
zoning
for
the
downtown
area
actually
went
through
the
plane
Commissioner
as
a
text
amendment
and
once
it
once
it
went
through
the
plan
commission,
we
did
not
go
to
the
City
Council.
There
was.
It
seems
from
what
I've
found
out.
There's
no
appetite
of
the
City
Council
to
change
the
zoning
into
even
more
districts.
Like
I,
said
from
four
to
nine.
C
C
I
right
the
hybrid
been
allowed
to
go
to
275
feet,
then
big
bonuses
who
would
go
up
to
380
five
feet
so
once
that
got
through
the
recommendation
by
this
from
playing
commission,
it
really
never
was
approved
by
the
City
Council,
for
whatever
reason
so
so
to
make
a
comprehensive
answer.
Your
question,
commissioner
opdyke,
to
do
a
comprehensive
overhaul.
D
K
E
Commission
earnings
can
I
come
here.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
how
this
limits
the
ability
of
the
client
admission
either
allow
kite
or
non
height.
So
so
because
these
are
all
planned
developments,
and
this
is
only
saying
that
I
right
four
stories.
Is
it
something
that,
because
it's
a
planned
development,
it
could
be
approved
as
a
development.
C
That
no,
I
think
I
understand
what
you
need.
This
particular
amendment
will
have
no
impact
on
how
plan
commission
handles
their
project
and
I
and
I
honestly
doubt
that'll
ebony
back
on
developers
coming
forward,
because
if
they
have
a
plan
to
include
one
or
two
levels
of
parking,
they're
going
to
include
it.
If
that
a
height
stands
at
150
feet,
it's
hundred
fifty
feet.
The
only
question
that
it's
going
to
be
is:
does
the
code
allow,
and
you
know
it
saying
the
d3
this
straight.
C
You
know
if
their
particular
project
is,
you
know
harder
than
80
feet
right
now
that
will
be
over
the
maximum
site
development
allowance,
or
is
it
going
to
be
within
the
maximum
site
development
alliance
either
way?
The
plan
commission
will
consider
that
and
ultimately
the
City
Council
will
consider
that
proposal.
The
question
is
really
how
far
off
from
the
maximum
that's
all
loud.
A
A
The
developer?
Isn't
there
to
generate
height,
he's
there
to
generate
rentable
space,
and
it
seems
to
me,
isn't
it
the
case
that
this
provision
and
nothing
to
his
ability
to
generate
rental
space?
All
it
does
is
move
the
rentable
space
up
in
the
air.
If
he's
willing
to
put
in
parking
which,
from
an
economic
standpoint
may
not
make
sense,
did
I
have
I
missed
something.
G
A
E
E
C
C
Wants
to
build
eighty
five
foot
tall
building,
that's
the
maximum
height
allowed
today,
and
they
have
to
provide
certain
number
of
parking
spaces,
and
if
you
have
you
know
they
can't
go
on
the
ground,
so
they
have,
to
put
it
first,
the
second
floor
that
brings
them
up.
If
it's,
you
know
ten
ten
theme
for
four,
then
it
gets
to
105
feet
of
a
building
heights.
Now,
suddenly
they
have
a
sizable
knowledge
they
need,
they
need
a
height
variance
because
they
had
to
provide
parking.
That
a
code
requires.
That's
really
good.
It
goes
down.
Okay,.
E
L
When
ya
parking
is
part,
is
a
huge
part
of
doing
any
analysis
on
a
piece
of
property
in
terms
of
what
you
do,
the
footprint
that
that
will
allow
that
Howard
winter
resolve
the
mandate
for
apartment,
which
is,
which
is
the
law
so
yeah
this
to
me,
gives
gives
the
developer
more
tools
to
build
a
smarter
building.
So
that
we're
not
you
know
just
just
maximizing
the
FA
are
of
the
footprint
and
swallowing
up
the
entire
parcel
would
built
his.
E
Iron,
so
the
maple
development
with
something
like
that
where
they
said
we'll
develop
it
low
one
hundred
percent
of
the
site,
all
the
way
up
for
eight
stories
or
will
do
the
setbacks
and
increase
the
height
and
ask
for
the
restriction,
which
was
a
much
more
desirable.
You
know
outcome
for
every
member.
L
E
E
L
A
G
B
C
That's
part
of
our
review
process,
so
yeah
we
work
with
developers
to
come,
get
the
most
logical
and
most
appealing
design
of
a
building
as
much
as
we
can
we
go
typically,
what
happens
is
when
developer
approaches
us,
but
several
preliminary
plans.
Here's
what
I'm
thinking
here
we're
going
to
do
to
make
sense
for
our
economic
standpoint
and
we
go
back
and
forth.
We
give
them
a
set
of
review
comments
that
we
gather
from
all
the
apartments.
You
know
you
gotta
modify
this
with
that.
C
You
know
you
know
having
famed
windows
on
second
third
and
fourth
floor
of
a
parking
deck
so
that
it
looks
the
other
with
50
is
called
a
podium
building.
It
was
not
going
to
work
and
we
want
something.
You
know
more
volume
in
design,
because
the
city
really
has
shifted
towards
the
quality
design.
/
just
expediting
the
project
with
you,
so
so
I
think
he
goes
back
to
what
permissions
videos
I
mentioned.
Is
that
fight
by
allowing
the
developer
to
not
include
this
hiding
their
required
requirement?
C
They
have
a
little
more
flexibility,
how
they
design
the
building
and
they
can
put
parking
sort
of
in
the
back
and
modify
how
the
building
is
structured
so
that
it
probably
looks
more
appealing
it.
And
you
know,
maybe
it's
one
of
the
additional
tools
that
developer
can
use
to
create
a
better
looking
building.
K
Yeah,
a
bribe
to
your
point
or
plan
development
gives
the
city
a
lot
of
leverage.
They
don't
like
what
the
project
looks
like
doesn't
go
forward.
Let's
see
it.
Oh,
but
another
question
on
sort
of
a
related
meta.
You
take
the
triangle:
property,
sup,
no,
a
church
on
the
north
end
and
the
fountain
and
the
southwest
it's
a
triangular
block.
Under
the
downtown
plan.
It
can
go
up
to
three
hundred
eighty
five
feet
anything
and
under
the
existing
zoning
4d
to
zoning
it's
125
feet.
Somebody
wants
to
put
a
building
up
in
that
block.
K
C
That's
what
we
talked
about
for
the
Maple
Avenue
project.
The
plan
is
a
guideline.
The
zoning
is
the
rule,
the
requirement
so
keeping
in
mind
the
rule
in
the
requirement
most
developers
still
ask
for
height
increases
and
keeping
in
mind
what
the
plan
calls
for,
and
the
plan
commission,
the
State,
Council
and
staff
can
sort
of
value
of
these
projects,
valuing
the
standards
and
see.
Does
the
project
actually
meet
the
guidelines
of
the
plan?
Is
it
consistent
at
surroundings?
How.
C
That's
what
fed
you
know
what's
that
parking?
You
know,
ultimately,
what
the
consultants
going
to
suggest
this,
obviously
to
be
reduced
parking
requirement
for
peel
the
areas
and
what
that's
going
to
be
I
really
don't
know.
If
this
is
going
to
be
based
on
the
bedroom.
Is
it
going
to
be
based
on
you
know
the
unit
size
square,
footage
wise?
Is
it
going
to
be?
You
know
general
sort
of
one
to
one
we'll
see,
but
it's
definitely
going
to
be
a
reduction
in
the
requirement.
It's
not
going
to
be
more
yes,.
K
Meeting
a
dead
horse
but
to
follow
up
on
this
villains
I
would
encourage
the
staff
I
know
you're
overworked
I
know.
Twirl
I
mean
that
sincerely
to
give
the
downtown
plan
some
serious
consideration,
because
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
there
and
right
now,
I
see
it
sitting
on
a
radiator,
someplace
collecting
dust
and
soon.
A
K
A
C
A
C
We
did
not
have
a
meeting
us.
We
will
have
a
meeting
next
month,
which
would
probably
be
again
in
this
room
council
chamber
through
kicked
off
comp
chambers
for
someone
else
no
report
we
should
have
well.
One
thing
is
that
we
do
have
a
committee
meeting
next
week
on
wednesday
and
that's
going
to
be
viewing
the
text,
amendment
body
impervious
surface,
so
we'll
send
out
packet
on
on
friday.
Chairman
forward
mentioned
about
you,
know,
megan
jealous
our
new
neighbor
and
land-use
planner
she's,
an
excellent
toss.
C
You
will
be
taking
on
my
previous
role
as
the
Secretary
of
commission,
so
you'll
be
getting
a
lot
of
emails
from
her
give
any
questions
you
know
I'm
always
available,
but
one
of
us
can
miss
dress.
Then
I
will
be
attending
all
meetings
anyway,
council
be
there
to
to
assist
as
needed
as
we
know,
updates
on
any
of
the
previous
projects.
They
went
to
thank
Commissioner,
know
that
I
didn't
remember
so.