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A
All
right
welcome
to
monday
august
8th
planning
and
development
committee
meeting.
We
have
a
quorum,
and
so
we
will
proceed
with
the
meeting
starting
off
with
approval
of
the
minutes.
So
this
is
approval
of
minutes
of
the
regular
planning
and
development
committee
meeting
of
july
25th
2022..
A
Can
I
have
a
motion
for
approval.
Please.
C
B
D
A
Right
the
minutes
pass
moving
on
to
public
comment.
Is
there
anyone
in
person
that
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
all
right,
and
I
will
go
with
those
who
committee
members
who
signed
up
online,
starting
with
mike
visilco.
F
F
I
know
this
is
just
for
discussion,
but
I
it
seems
like
the
amount
that
is
being
discussed.
Would
it
would
be
prudent
to
do
an
rfp
for
that
work?
G
Hi,
I'm
sue
lolbach
with
connections
for
the
homeless,
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
support
of
using
a
fused
executive
fellow
to
help
design
a
program
for
advancing
equity
through
affordable
housing
joining
forces.
Our
advocacy
program
at
connections
has
been
advocating
for
an
actionable,
affordable
housing
plan
for
the
city
for
years,
and
this
fuse
fellowship
could
be
a
huge
step
forward
that
could
help
the
city
take
several
critical
steps.
G
One
the
project
would
focus
on
and
quantify
the
most
urgent
areas
of
need,
not
just
the
areas
that
are
sort
of
the
low-hanging
fruit.
The
easiest
to
implement
two.
The
project
would
tie
together
the
many
affordable
housing
efforts
underway
and
prioritize
where
the
city
should
spend
its
energy
and
resources.
G
Three,
the
projects
will
identify
and
go
after
funding
to
support,
affordable
housing
efforts
beyond
what
the
city
can
do
with
its
current
resources
and
four,
the
project
will
create
mechanisms
for
implementation.
That
will
assure
that
this
is
a
plan
of
action
with
accountabilities
and
results
built
in
given
the
urgency
of
the
affordable
housing
need.
G
Whatever
comes
from
the
work
that
the
fuse
fellow
does
will
only
serve
to
support
new
staff
or
trying
to
solve
the
city's
housing
problems,
accelerate
the
completion
of
the
housing
portion
of
a
new
comprehensive
plan
and
serve
those
who
are
struggling
with
housing
sooner
rather
than
later.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
then
we'll
go
go
back
to
ed
walsh.
If
he
is
rejoining
the
the
zoom
is
that
walsh
with
us?
No
okay
aren't
saying
no
one
else
would
like
to
make
public
comment.
We
will
move
on
to.
A
Item
p1
can
someone
move
item
p1.
Please.
D
Consideration
of
a
building
permit
fine
reduction
for
integrated
facility
solutions.
A
Oh
honestly,
thanks
councilman.
D
Reveal:
okay,
yes,
so
this
is
a
request
for
a
reduction
in
the
building.
Permit
fine
for
the
contractor
that
worked
at
1000
central
street,
which
is
a
medical
building
operated
by
north
shore
university
health
system.
D
Combating
the
pandemic,
so
I'm
I
support
the
this
request
for
from
the
contractor
that
the
permit
fines
be
reduced
to
2500
per
offense
for
a
total
of
five
thousand
dollars.
H
And
I
just
want
to
also
acknowledge
that
councilmember
headache
is
on
zoom,
but
so
I
under
I
thank
you,
councilmember
revell,
for
you
know
stating
what
the
situation
is.
H
I
understand
that
maybe
in
2021
our
permit
desk
was
running
a
bit
behind,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
where
this
would
fly
elsewhere,
where
you
know
if,
if
you
haven't
been
given,
you
know
someone
said
I
applied
for
a
foid
card
and
we
find
that
person
an
officer
pulls
them
over
and
they're
driving
down
the
street
with
what
would
be
a
legal
gun
in
their
car.
H
I
don't
think
they
get
to
say
well,
hey
that
the
state
office
has
taken
too
long
to
to
to
issue
my
my
license
here,
and
so
you
know
we're
going
to
reduce
the
fine
for
them,
and
so
I
I
do
think
that
you
know
they
knew
what
the
rules
were
and
they
should
have
followed
them,
and
I
think
that
the
taxpayers
are
owed.
The
full
fine
amount.
B
Some
reverse
math
here,
but
by
my
math,
the
permit
fees
had
they
been
paid.
Permit
fees
were
paid
on
time,
totaled,
19,
564
dollars
and
the
penalty,
which
is
75
percent
of
that
number
adds
an
additional
14,
673.
B
and
so
they're
asking
to
turn
that
14
673
penalty
into
a
5
dollar
penalty
is.
Am
I
tracking
the
math
correctly
there.
B
Means
nine
thousand
six
hundred
and
seventy
three
dollars
is
what
is
what
the
difference
is,
which
is
hardly
going
to
break
our
bank?
Are
they
going
to
break
their
bank,
but
I,
just
a
few
minutes
ago,
voted
to
not
help
out
a
homeowner
to
the
tune
of
a
much
larger
dollar
amount.
So
to
be
consistent
with
that,
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
oppose
this.
This
resolution.
H
Waiting
on
on
permits
and
the
gentleman
expressed
to
me
that
luckily
his
mother-in-law
lives
down
the
street,
and
so
him
and
his
family
were
able
to
kind
of
curry
back
and
forth
between
the
mother-in-law's
house,
while
their
water
was
off
and
while
they
were
following
the
rules-
and
you
know
you
know-
god
forbid-
he
said
that
it
had
been
my
reverse,
where
my
mother-in-law
was
the
person
without
the
water,
and
you
know,
unless
we're
going
to
make
a
policy
decision
that
you
know
hey.
H
If
you
haven't
gotten
your
permit,
yet
you
can
just
go
ahead
and
do
whatever
construction
you
want.
Then-
and
you
know,
maybe,
if
that's
an
equal
bar
set
across
the
board,
I'd
be
more
willing
to
support
that.
But
again,
I'm
a
no
vote
on
this
particular
reduction.
Thank
you.
B
We
do
have
rules
in
place,
and
I
was
just
talking
with
manager
schneer
about
this
earlier,
for
emergency
situations
were
water.
In
what
conditions
do
what
conditions
constitute
an
emergency
which
would
allow
work
to
proceed
as
long
as
a
permit
was
applied
for
work
could
proceed
without
yet
having
received
the
permit
good.
I
Evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
angel,
schneider,
building
and
inspection
services
manager,
an
emergency
constitutes
the
repair
of
already
existing
services.
So,
for
example,
if
you
have
water
service
that
is
broken
and
you're
no
longer
getting
water
service,
so
you
can't
wash
your
dishes
or
sanitize
your
stuff.
If
you
have
a
sewer,
lateral,
that's
broken,
and
you
need
to
repair
that
because
you
don't
have
sewer
services,
that's
an
emergency
situation.
I
Emergency
situations
are
allowed
to
take
place.
You
have
to
apply
for
the
permit
within
24
hours
of
that
emergency
service
happening.
So,
for
example,
if
you
had
an
emergency
on
a
sunday,
you
would
have
to
come
in
monday
and
apply
for
your
permit.
The
items
that
we're
talking
about
here
were
not
emergency
situations.
They
had
applied
for
the
permit
and
began
the
work.
D
I
I
So
just
because
your
plans
have
been
approved
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
permit
is
issued
and
approved
in
these
particular
situations
they
had
applied
for
the
permits
they
had
reached
out
to
staff,
to
try
and
figure
out
where
the
slowdown
was
and
what
was
taking
so
long.
As
you
know,
we
were
understaffed
last
summer
and
inundated
with
building
permits,
and
so
that
was
why
it
was
taking
a
longer
time
for
them
to
get
their
permits.
I
A
I
A
G
C
Either
you
know,
I
do
think,
and
I
know
I'm
not
blaming
anybody,
but
I
think
when
there
are
tremendous
delays
in
permitting,
I
I
don't
think
it's
it.
Could
it's
necessarily
a
bad
idea
that
there
is
a
price
paid
by
us?
I
mean
I
think,
in
the
sense
that
these
fines
either
are
waived
or
reduced
due
to
you
know,
really
really
tremendous
delays
in
permitting,
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
stories
about.
You
know,
complaints
with
permitting.
C
So
I
do
wonder
if
this
wouldn't
be
good
to
pass
this
in
order
to
set
a
precedent
and
to
try
to
establish
some
guidelines
by
which
we're
held
to
a
certain
bar
in
terms
of
getting
permits
out.
So
I
agree
it
should
be
across
the
board.
It
shouldn't
be,
I
mean
shouldn't
just
be
for
north
shore
university
health
systems,
but
I
think
it
is
worth
looking
at
considering
something,
and
I
understand
that
they
started
work
without
the
actual
permit,
though
it
was
later
permitted.
C
I
If
I
may
that's
why
we
recommended
the
reduction,
because
we
are
aware
of
the
our
fault
in
the
issue
of
getting
the
permits
out
to
them,
and
we
know
that
they
did
apply
in
a
timely
manner.
They
were
going
through
the
review
process
and
the
work
that
they
do
at
north
shore
and
in
our
community
is
important
to
us,
which
is
why
we
recommended
the
the
reduction
in
the
fines
was.
A
H
Reed
yeah-
and
this
is
for
my
last
time-
I
I
certainly
hear
what
you're
saying
council
member
kelly.
I
do
think
we
need
to
again.
My
residents
were
hopping
mad
during
that
period,
where
permits
were
slowed
to
an
almost
glacial
pace
it
felt
like,
and
so
you
know,
certainly
I
know
we've
added
more
staff
to
the
department
now.
I
think
we
need
to
continue
to
make
investments
and
get
better
data.
I'd
love
to
have
this
come
back
or
not
this,
but
have
staff
bring
back.
H
H
I'd
love
to
also,
if
you
want
to
make
a
referral
I'll,
probably
made
enough
referrals
if
somebody
wants
to
make
a
referral
to
to
to
go
through
a
process
for
forgiving
certain
fines,
I'm
happy
to
participate
in
those
discussions
as
well,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
solid
policy
in
front
of
us
and
not
just
issue.
You
know
forgiveness
kind
of
on
an
ad
hoc
basis.
Thank
you.
C
So
yes,
so
I
agree,
I
will
support
this
with
the
understanding
that
I'm
happy
to
write
such
a
referral,
so
that
there
is
a
clarity
as
to
when
this
applies.
I
If,
if
I
may
not,
all
building
that
starts
prior
to
a
permit
issuance
is
the
fault
of
the
city.
Sometimes
we
send
the
information
out
where
we're
requesting
additional
information,
and
we
don't
hear
back
from
the
person
in
this
particular
case.
They
were
communicating
with
staff.
They
were
trying
to
find
out
what
the
permit
process
was
and
what
the
hold
up
was
oftentimes.
That's
not
the
case.
We
send
the
email
out
saying
the
permit
is
approved.
They
start
the
work
we
never
hear
from
the
person
again,
and
that
was
not
the
situation
here.
F
D
A
Any
second
council
members
suffered
in
whose
word
I
believe
this
is
in
requested
that
we
table
this.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
discuss
it
beforehand.
I
think
there
was.
H
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
tabling
this
say
aye
aye,
aye,
any
opposed,
say,
nay,.
A
Okay,
so
this
is
table
and
we'll
figure
out
what
meaning?
Okay.
So
that's
p2
now
items
for
discussion.
We
have
item
d1,
I
mean.
A
All
right
is
there
a
second
all
right
move
by
councilmember
reed
seconded
by
councilmember
kelly.
We
do
have
a
presentation
and
someone
from
free
fuse
here
to
answer
any
questions,
but
we'll
kick
it
off
with
councilmember
reed.
H
We
can
go
through
the
presentation
first.
My
comments,
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
I've,
had
the
pleasure
of
having
a
number
of
discussions
with
councilmember
burns
about
this.
You
know
it
sounds
like
a
wonderful
idea
and
a
wonderful
use
of
of
our
resources
and
will
allow
us
to
build
capacity,
and
so
I
just
give
recognition
for
for
the
leadership
on
this.
A
J
Brilliant,
let
me
get
it
on
presentation,
mode
and
good
evening.
Everyone,
I'm
lovely,
to
meet
you
all
virtually
anyway
and
always
glad
to
have
a
fuse
on
the
on
the
agenda.
I'm
not
only
the
director
of
strategic
partnerships
now,
but
a
few
years
ago
I
was
a
fuse
fellow
in
los
angeles
county.
J
I
should
say
we
as
an
alum
of
the
program
and
just
what
that
is
able
to
do
to
move
forward
projects
in
some
of
the
some
challenging
areas
and
allow
that
support
to
to
really
bring
things
to
the
community
that
are
needed.
So
I
will
go
through
this
presentation
fairly
quickly.
I'll
be
mindful
of
time.
Please
feel
free
to.
J
Let
me
know
if
there
are
any
questions
that
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
go
in
more
in
depth
with
so
one
of
the
biggest
kind
of
value
adds
to
the
fuse
fellowship
is
that
while
we
have
projects-
and
we
will
partner
with
cities
and
counties
across
the
country,
we
do
really
look
for
talent
from
within.
So
we
will
not
only
look
to
find
fellows
who
are
local,
but
then
we
work
with
you
to
identify
what
are
those
projects?
J
What
are
those
challenges
that
you
most
want
to
address
and
that
this
infusion
of
talent
would
help
to
advance,
and
so
with
that
talent
with
the
scoping
process
that
is
figuring
out?
What
exactly
do
those
projects
need
to
look
like
what
is
achievable
within
a
year,
but
also
challenging,
but
achievable?
We
are
able
to
help
amplify
some
of
that
capacity,
adding
kind
of
an
inside
outside
lens
to
assess
those
those
projects
to
think
through
some
of
the
the
alternatives,
some
of
the
the
approaches
and
then
implement
them
as
well.
J
We
have
a
very
strong
focus
on
equity
and
particularly
really
from
the
beginning
of
fuse,
but
I
would
say,
we've
truly
doubled
down
on
this
commitment
in
recent
years.
Is
making
sure
that
not
only
are
we
addressing
some
of
the
main
challenges
that
local
governments
have,
but
that
we
are
doing
so
thinking
about
equity
all
along
the
way,
and
so
you
know,
how
are
we
able
to
help
reduce
some
of
the
inequities
that
exist
for
local
communities?
J
You'll
see
here
a
quick
kind
of
rundown
of
some
of
the
places
we've
had
partners,
not
everywhere,
but
it
really
does
span
and
span
the
us
and
we're
excited
to
partner
with
more
cities
and
counties
as
we
go,
and
here
are
just
a
couple
of
our
core
issues.
So,
while
today
we
will
be
talking
about
about
housing
or
this
project
really
will
focus
on
housing,
we
do
work
in
a
number
of
other
areas
where
equity
has
a
focus
would
be
really
supportive.
J
J
J
Again,
we,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
really
focused
and
double
down
on
ensuring
that
racial
equity
is
at
the
helm
of
every
project
that
we
work
on.
So
it's
not
kind
of
an
additional
or
just
one
lens
that
we
happen
to
look
through,
but
we
ensure
that
how
are
the
projects
at
their
base
helping
to
ensure
less
inequities
in
communities
all
over
the
country
just
a
few
of
our
our
fellows
there.
So
I
will
open
it
up
to
questions.
J
Not
a
problem
at
all
happy
to
answer
questions
at
a
later
time
as
well,
and
please
know
that
we
are
here
to
support
you
in
in
working
through
housing
or
some
of
the
other
issues
and
and
projects
that
you
may
want
to
look
at.
So
I'm
always
available
to
answer
questions
as
it
may
be
helpful.
J
J
We
will
close
kind
of
scoping
the
projects
at
the
end
of
the
year
that
will
give
us
about
two
months
or
so
to
find
the
right
fit
to
make
sure
that
they
accept
the
offer
that
you
all
agree
with
that
that
that
fit
bring
them
on
board,
get
them
oriented
and
then
get
them
to
start
with
you
by
mid
to
late
april.
A
And
just
a
point
of
clarity,
nicole,
I
was
under
the
impression
with
under
the
impression
that
we
were
a
part
of
a
cohort
that
would
begin
in
october.
Is
there.
A
No,
no,
it's
understandable,
we've
kind
of
teetered.
The
reason
why
we've
we've
have
this
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
because
I
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
deadline
coming
up
that
we
need
to
to
make.
So
I
appreciate
staff
for
getting
this
on
the
agenda
with
short
notice,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this.
This
fuse
fellow,
would
start
october.
I
believe.
J
Yes,
and
thank
you
for
clarifying
that,
so
this
fuse
fella
would
start
on
halloween
funny
enough,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
everything
wrapped
up,
because
once
we
do
find
that
right
fit,
they
are
sometimes
leaving
something
else,
because
they
are
so
passionate
about
supporting
local
government,
and
so
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that,
from
a
contracting
standpoint,
from
making
sure
that
everything
is
in
place
to
set
that
fellow
up
for
success
that
that
all
happens
well
in
advance
of
that
october,
31st
start
date.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
questions
for
for
city
staff.
Where
would
we
be
taking
the
money
from
to
pay
for
this,
and
how
would
this
person
interface
with
with
city
staff
and
what
kind,
what
does
that
imply
for
for
our
current
staff?
B
K
Sarah
flax
housing
grants
manager.
I
actually
worked
with
council
member
burns
on
trying
to
get
some
of
the
potential
work.
The
fuse
fellow
could
do.
The
idea,
as
I
understand
it
is
the
fuse
fellow
would
be
have
a
great
deal
of
independence.
This
is
a
senior
person,
so
wouldn't
require
the
level
of
day-to-day
supervision,
but
obviously
would
have
to
be
thoroughly
engaged
with
community
development,
housing
staff
and
others
to
be
effective.
B
K
Well,
we're
in
a
situation
right
now,
where
we're
still
trying
to
hire
positions
that
we
don't
have
filled,
so
we're
really
very
short,
staffed
right
now
I
actually,
when
we
talked
about
fuse
fellows,
I
thought
an
incredible
use
of
a
fuse
fellow
could
be
for
our
priority-based
budgeting
that
didn't
move
forward,
because
I
think
that
kind
of
level
of
independence
and
the
equity
lens
that
fuse,
I
feel
very
strongly
brings-
would
be
very
valuable
to
the
city.
K
So
it's
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
on
in
housing
right
now
to
balance,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
challenges
is
how
to
prioritize
those
and
how
to
make
sure
that
they
are
done
effectively
and
get
the
results
if
we
have
a
fuse.
Fellow,
that's
very.
K
It's
focused
on
with
an
equity
lens
which
is
on
our
lower
income
residents,
and
that
is
very
important,
and
I
personally
was
hoping
that
programs
or
projects
could
come
out
of
that
sort
of
work
that
would
be
funded
through
participatory
budgeting.
K
The
fuse
fellow
position
itself
would
come
out
of
arpa,
but
could
come
out
of.
We
can
look
at
the
900
000
that
has
been
allocated
for
staffing
and
costs
of
of
managing
and
we
can
also
look
at
the
revenue
replacement
because
in
essence,
that
person
is
fulfilling
somewhat
of
a
staff
function
in
many
ways,
but
in
addition
to
the
fuse
project,
we
have
two
subcommittees
or
working
a
subcommittee
and
a
working
group
of
this
committee
that
is
active.
K
We
have
the
furman
pierce
cities
project
that
we
took
on
last
fall.
We
have
also
applied
for,
and
we
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
get
it,
but
I
still
think
it's
worth
proceeding
to
see
if
we
get
it
a
nyu
wagner
wagner,
which
is
the
public
services.
K
Graduate
school
of
nyu
for
a
what's
known
as
a
capstone
project,
which
we
submitted
an
application,
alison
leipzinger,
and
I
worked
on
that.
We
could
get
a
two
semester.
So
it's
basically
an
academic
year
research
program
and
we've
talked
to
councilmember
burns
about
this.
We
got
it
a
little
better
on
track.
We
broadened
it
to
cover
the
types
of
needs.
The
housing
needs
that
our
lower
income
people,
especially
our
people
of
color
and
our
african-american
population.
That
is
really
at
risk
of
being
pushed
out.
What
are
the
types
of
things
they
need?
K
We've
talked
about
services
if
they
want
to
move
out
of
their
own
house,
say:
they're,
an
owner
occupant.
The
here
state
committee
has
really
come
up
with
some
really
good
ideas,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
hoping
that
this
wagner
capstone
project
could
do
is
quantify
the
number
of
people
that
needed
each
of
those
types
of
services.
K
One
of
the
interesting
things
is
arpa
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
seen
in
a
federal
funding
stream
that
you
can
pay
for
property
taxes,
for
example,
and
one
of
the
most
difficult
things
is
when
people
are
unable
to
pay
their
property
taxes.
It
is
a
predatory
system
and
there's
been
articles
on
how
it
really
hits
our
low
and
moderate
income
people
and
our
people,
our
families
of
color
most.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
different
things.
K
We've
also
had
you
know
just
situations
where
people
can't
figure
out
the
applications,
because
most
of
them
are
online,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
things
where
we
know
there
may
be
some
resources
that,
in
theory,
are
there
to
help,
but
people
can't
access
them.
So
it's
really
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
greatest
needs
that
is
affecting
this
particular.
C
Okay,
just
so
I
understand
so,
we
don't
really
know
how
we
would
apply
this
this
position
yet
like
because
you
mentioned,
I
got
a
little
bit
concerned
when
I
heard,
like
the
participatory
budgeting.
We've
already
allocated
something
some
money
right
to
northwestern
to
pay.
For
that.
I
also
I
had
one
question
about
this,
so
when
do
we,
you
know
I've
seen
postings
for
this
position?
Is
it,
but
we
haven't
approved
it
yet,
yet
it's
posted
is
that
is
that
par.
For
course
I
know.
I
think
that
was.
K
A
little
bit
too
energetic
getting
out
ahead
of
there
was,
and
that
wasn't
officially
approved
by
anyone
to
post
the
position.
Okay,.
J
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
share
around
the
the
recruiting.
That's
a
great
point,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
on
a
cohort
model
so
to
keep
this
position
within
this
cohort.
You
know,
as
the
great
point
was
made,
we
would
need
the
time
to
make
sure
we
found
the
right
fit.
What
we
do,
because
we
this
happens
frequently
where
our
timing
may
not
be
the
exact
same
as
as
council's
timing.
So
this
comes
up
frequently
and
the
way
we
typically
address
it.
Is
we
go
ahead
and
say:
okay.
J
This
sounds
like
the
right:
the
right
project
description.
There
is
a
project
description
written.
You
know
that
at
least
we
can
work
from
as
a
draft,
let's
post,
that
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
interest
that
we
are.
You
know
that
we
are
ensuring
that
we
will
have
some
candidates
and
some
really
strong
candidates
for
you.
If,
for
any
reason,
it
does
not
pass,
we
take
it
down.
We
inform
the
candidates
that
we
won't
be
moving
forward
with
it.
J
J
So
if,
for
some
reason
that
does
happen,
we
do
have
a
way
of
of
managing
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
highlight
the
the
point
made
before
these
are
really
executive
level,
folks,
so
15
plus
years
of
experience,
typically
in
management,
executive
leadership
roles
and
so
what
they
are
able
to
bring
to
the
table
kind
of
over
and
above
maybe,
college
or
or
graduate
fellowship,
is
being
able
to
really
at
a
high
level,
help
think
through
the
strategy
think
through
the
implementation
think
through
all
of
the
stakeholder
needs
for
that
implementation
and
then
actually
get
to
the
implementation
and
we've
had
cases
where
we've
worked
alongside
other
fellowship
programs
in
baltimore,
there's
one
starting
now
with
baltimore
core
and
fuse.
A
Thank
you,
nicole.
Councilmember
reveal.
D
Well,
so
I
did
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
looking
at
the
fuse
website
and
they
have
really
an
impressive
array
of
cities
that
they've
helped
and
a
number
of
really,
and
particularly
in
the
area
of
housing.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
appeal
of
this.
D
Sarah's
mentioned
some,
but
I
mean
we're
in
the
midst
of,
as
you
know,
working
on
whether
to
go
switch
from
a
registration
program
to
a
licensing
program
and
if
we
do
move
to
a
licensing
program,
that's
going
to
require
a
lot
of
work
to
really
develop
the
ordinance
and
the
whole.
A
D
D
Right
well
then,
I
that
that
loop
into,
but
so
that
adds
to
my
concerns,
because
I
think
sarah
has
a
very
full
plate
already
so
just
to
just
to
enumerate
so
we're
talking
about.
Then
we've
got
the
subcommittee
working
on
the
the
three
unrelated
issue
that.
G
D
A
What
I'm
saying
to
councilmember
valen?
I
just
want
to
want
this
to
be
effective,
because
the
the
list
that
you're
saying
I'm
I
sit
on
most
of
those
committees
and
work
closely
on
all
those
initiatives,
and
I
very
clearly
understand
the
difference
between
each
one
of
them.
And
so
you
can't
it.
It's
not
helpful
for
the
discussion
to
just
have
blanket
kind
of
concerns.
A
D
A
They
would
have
a
touch
point
here
at
the
city
and
sarah
that
could
help.
You
know
make
sure
that
all
these
things
were
connected
in
terms
of
the
more
of
the
the
the
in
terms
of
more
the
direct
work
of
supervising,
which
I
think
you're
talking
about
is
more
so,
I
think,
going
to
fall
on
the
executive
coach,
which
is
built
into
this
program.
A
A
You
know
so
I
mean
between
now
and
the
next
time.
This
comes
up.
If
you
could
pinpoint,
if
even
cyril
could
provide
how
many
additional
hours
she
thinks
this
would
would
require
of
her,
then
we
can
work
off
of
that,
and
I
think
nicole
and
the
fuse
team
could
use
some
real
world
examples
about
how
this
has
impacted,
city
staff
and
other
areas
and
nicole.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
speak
to
that
if
you've
been
following
along
with
this,
I.
J
Have
and
I'd
be
happy
to
oops,
sorry,
so
maybe
I'll
just
add
in
my
personal
experience
as
a
fuse.
Fellow
and
then
you
know
a
bit
of
experience
from
from
others
in
other
cohorts,
so
working
with
the
department
of
consumer
and
business
affairs
in
los
angeles
county,
I
was
an
executive
fellow
and
looking
to
support.
How
could
the
city
make
sure
and
the
county
make
sure
that
everyone
who
is
eligible
for
the
earned
income
tax
credit
actually
received
it
huge
undertaking?
J
Now
I
was
working
within
a
department
that
was
tasked
by
the
board
of
supervisors
to
ensure
that
this
happened.
So
that's
where
the
oversight,
the
executive
sponsor
and
the
project
supervisor
came
in
to
make
sure
that
I
wasn't
coming
up
with
solutions
that
were
not
possible
within
the
context
of
los
angeles
county
government,
but
what
they
weren't
doing
was
sitting
with
me.
Each
and
every
day
I
would
kind
of
do
my
my
scoping.
I
would
do
my
assessments
or
do
my
stakeholder
interviews
and
then
come
back
with
here's.
J
The
big
picture
of
what
I'm
hearing
does
that
sound
right
to
you,
given
your
knowledge
of
the
of
the
county,
and
as
I
said
yes,
this
sounds
right.
Keep
going
keep
going.
If
I
got
some
here's
where
we
might
need,
you
know
a
different
perspective
and
give
me
some
additional
contacts
to
continue
those
stakeholder
interviews
with
because
of
the
level
of
the
executive
that
fellows.
You
really
are
spending
quite
a
lot
of
time,
independently
thinking
through
the
strategies
coming
up
with
them
and
ensuring
that
they
make
sense
for
all
of
the
stakeholders.
J
For
others
who
have
worked
on
some
infrastructure
projects,
things
in
health
and
housing
education,
they
have
potentially
been
almost
completely
independent
and
really
it
is
the
comfort
level
of
the
project
supervisor
and
the
executive
sponsor
and
how
well
a
match.
You
know
the
the
fellow
is
so
I
would
say
one
of
the
things
that
helps
to
take
a
lot
of
that
time.
Away
from
the
project
supervisor
and
executive
sponsor
is
to
make
sure
that
those
two
roles
and
anyone
else
who's
relevant
is
involved
in
the
recruiting
process.
J
So
that
may
add
a
few
hours
anywhere
between
four
and
eight
hours
within
a
specific
delineated
point
of
time
for
the
recruiting
process.
Once
that
happens,
if
you've
done
a
really
good
job,
finding
the
right
fit
and
we've
supported
you
in
that,
you
can
have
someone
who
works
very
independently
and
takes
rather
than
adding
to
your
plate,
really
takes
away.
A
Who
was
first,
I'm
gonna
go
council
member
number,
eight
reed.
H
Thank
you
yeah.
I
I
councilmember
revell.
I
certainly
hear
and
understand
your
concerns
at
the
workload
with
sarah
I
mean
sarah
has
been
forced
to
take
on
the
work
of
maybe
three
or
four
people.
I
mean
you
know
becoming
interim
a
community
development
director
arpa
your
regular
job,
which
is
already
a
huge
job.
I
understand
that,
but
I
do
want
to
notice
that
you
know
we're
talking
about
october.
H
You
know
the
end
of
october,
beginning
of
november,
when
this
person
comes
on,
I
would
suspect
by
then-
and
maybe
our
city
manager
can
give
some
insight
on
this.
I
would
suspect
by
then
we'd
either
have
have
a
new
community
development
director
coming
on,
or
you
know
very
near
the
point
of
coming
on,
and
so
some
of
that
weight
will
be
lifted
from
your
plate
and
as
well.
H
As
you
know,
we
we
need
to
make
hires
in
the
department
anyhow,
and
so
there
will
be
just
a
necessity
to
oversee
more
staff
than
what's
being
overseen
now.
So
I
do
think
if,
if
that
is
a
main
concern,
which
is
a
very
caring
and
valid
concern
that
you
know
that
should
be
alleviated
by
the
time
we
get
to
this
point.
A
C
So
it
sounds
very
interesting.
I
also
want
to
second
some
of
council
member
revell's
concerns.
I
do
think
I
mean
I
think
we
all
know
delegating
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work.
I
think
oftentimes
people
think
by
adding
a
position,
and
you
know
we're
assured
that,
because
sarah
flax
will
be
the
project
supervisor
that
you
know
it'll
be
additional
help.
Well,
I
think
I
am
also
very
concerned
about
managing
that.
We
want
to
ensure
that
sure
we're
spending
180
000
that
there's
accountability.
C
So
I
don't
think
she
I
think
it
is
going
to
be
a
considerable
amount
of
work.
I
also,
I
think
the
program
sounds
wonderful,
but
I'd
like
to
see
more
specificity
to
it.
I've
looked
at,
I
think,
nashville
and
oakland
a
few
others.
I
just
not
saying
I'd
love
to
see
some
specific
outcomes
from
projects
like
if
there
are
housing
projects.
C
Maybe
if
you
could
bring
this
back
with
a
list
of
some
of
the
specific
outcomes
from
pro
up
from
work
in
other
cities,
I
think
that
would
be
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
better
idea
as
to
what
what
we
could
imagine
or
potentially
consider
having
done
here
through
this
program.
Thank
you.
A
And
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
the
deliverables
for
this
project
are
in
the
packet
and
in
nicole
in
terms
of
deliverables
and
other
projects.
We
can.
Would
you
be
able
to
provide
that.
A
J
A
And
also
just
want
to
be
clear
that
sarah,
along
with
sue,
loback
and
others,
participated
in
three
scoping
discussions,
maybe
even
four,
but
I
know
for
sure
it
was
three
scoping
discussions
and
we
used
the
input
from
that
group
to
create
this
job
description,
which
is
why,
again,
if
folks
have
very
specific
pinpoint
concerns,
I
think
we
can.
We
can
respond
to
them.
Councilmember
reveal.
D
J
J
J
We
will
work
with
you
to
scope
a
second
year,
an
extension
to
that
it's
probably
about
and
I'm
I'll
check
the
numbers,
but
I'm
guessing
about
40
60,
50
50
that
it
a
second
year
is
taken
on.
I
did
not
do
a
second
year
in
mine
because
it
was
the
perfect
transition
point
to
where
the
strategy
that
I
had
developed
and
begun
to
implement.
J
I
brought
the
entire
team,
the
kind
of
team
that
was
under
my
project
supervisor,
along
with
me
for
the
entire
implementation,
and
so
it
was
the
perfect
handoff
point
when,
when
my
year
was
up
for
others
who
again
worked
on
infrastructure
and
been
able
to
help
the
city
of
of
la
get
multi-million
dollar
deals
and
make
sure
that
infrastructure
was
built
out,
there
was
additional
work
and
they
were
a
huge
asset.
So
they
either
were
able
to
extend
for
a
second
year.
Others
have
become
embedded
as
full-time
staff
into
cities
and
counties.
L
Hi
I
just
wanted
to
weigh
in.
I
think
this
is
an
exciting
opportunity
to
build
capacity
with
our
staff.
It
sounds
like
in
in
some
other
cases,
those
fellows
also
maybe
stay
on
wherever
they're
working.
So
I
think
this
would
be
an
exciting
thing
to
explore
further.
H
Yeah,
I
just
I
think,
we're
nearing
the
end
of
this
conversation.
I
just
wanna,
you
know
one
just
acknowledge
the
amount
of
you
know,
time
and
thought
and
work
that
went
into
this.
H
You
know,
as
councilmember
byrne
said
you
know,
I
was
on
that
call
with
sarah
fleck
sue
lowell
back
two
folks
from
the
fuse
corp
robbie,
marcus
other
folks
were
on
that
call,
and
so
these
are-
and
I
don't
know-
I
think
I
feel
like
I'm
on
so
many
calls
I
feel
like
angel
might
have
been
there
as
well-
maybe
maybe
I'm
mistaken
on
that
one,
but
we
we
had.
You
know
a
considerable
amount
of
thought
going
into
this.
H
I
appreciate
the
support
that
I
appreciate
one
councilman
burns
leadership
on
this
to
really
solve
an
issue
that
primarily
impacts.
You
know
it
impacts
everyone,
but
affordable
housing
is
really
an
issue
that
impacts.
H
You
know
residents
of
the
fifth
ward,
the
eighth
ward,
and
you
know
the
second
ward
as
well,
more
so
than
than
other
folks
around
the
city,
particularly,
I
can
phrase
that
even
better
particularly
impacts
black
and
brown
folks
in
our
city,
and
I
I
think
that
this
fuse
corp
fellow
will
allow
us
to
build
capacity,
will
allow
us
to
do
things
that
our
city
staff
traditionally
is
not
able
to
do
because
of
the
you
know,
all
of
the
other
stuff
that's
on
their
plate
already
and
and
and
building.
H
This
capacity
is
going
to
be
key
for
us
getting
metrics
and
data
that
we
can
point
to
to
really
move
the
ball
forward
on
working
to
mitigate
the
affordable
housing
crisis
that
we're
in
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
when
this
comes
back
around
folks
will
have
answers
to
their
questions
again.
Because
of
that
meeting,
I
had
a
great
opportunity
to
hear
about
some
of
the
deliverables
that
fuse
corp
has
provided
to
municipalities
in
the
past.
I'm
sure
once
folks
get
that
information.
Folks
will
be
just
as
excited
about
this.
H
A
And
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
really
all
of
our
efforts,
whether
this
the
working
group,
the
subcommittee,
really
is
focusing
on
very
specific
policy
changes
around
affordable
housing,
and
then
there
was
a
committee
that
was
created
by
the
previous
administration
that
I
think
largely
their
work
was
disrupted
by
covet.
But
there
was
a
a
possibility
that
they
would
create
an
affordable
housing
plan.
A
Sarah,
if
I'm
getting
that
right-
and
so
this
has
been
a
really
important
priority
of
mine-
being
that
you
know
over
50
percent
or
right
at
50
percent
of
folks
living
in
the
area
that
is
traditionally
thought
of
when
people
think
of
the
fifth
war,
which
is
at
8092
census,
tract
or
housing
insecure,
and
so
because
of
that
I've
I've.
You
know,
I'm
chairing
the
working
group.
A
I
sit
on
the
subcommittee
and
I
speak
with
with
sarah
and
other
affordable
housing
advocates
and
leaders
in
the
chicago
area
on
a
regular
basis,
and
so
I'm
keeping
track
not
only
of
what
we're
doing,
but
what
other
people
are
doing
and
I
think
probably
out
of
anybody
on
the
council.
I
probably
have
the
strongest
sense
of
when
we're
duplicating
efforts
and
when
we're
not-
and
I
can
tell
you
what
this
would
not,
this
is
really
looking
at.
A
What
can
we
do
as
as
the
city
of
evanston
to
increase
our
effort
and
our
infrastructure
towards
addressing
our
affordable
housing
issue
that
we
all
talk
about
during
campaigns
and
and
year-round?
But
but
we
haven't
changed
our
effort,
our
our
city,
effort
towards
it,
and
you
can
see
that
because-
and
I've
talked
to
sarah
even
about
this-
this
is
where
we
agree
that
the
city
has
never
had
a
housing
division
or
department.
A
We,
you
know,
sarah
has
become
that
default
person,
but
sarah
is
a
housing
and
grants
manager
right,
fundamentally,
that's
what
she
does.
It's
a
compliancy
position,
that's
ensuring
that
we
continue
to
get
home
funds
and
cdbg
funds
etc,
and
I
think,
over
the
years
we
have,
we
feel
as
though
that
she
is
someone
that
her
corp
in
her
core
position
focuses
on
housing,
planning
and
policy.
But
that's
not
the
case
from
speaking
with
sarah,
I
think
at
one
point
we
had
a
housing,
a
housing
manager,
maybe
a
supervisor.
A
But
is
there
a
greater
effort
that
can
come
from
the
city
of
evanston
to
help
lead
on
this
issue
to
make
sure
that
a
decade
from
now
we're
not
still
looking
at
the
same
housing
and
secure
numbers
which
we've
been
looking
at
the
last
10
20
years?
If
not
more
and
so
again,
this
is
this
is
fundamentally
about.
What
can
the
city
do
to
provide
a
greater
effort
in
this
fight
because
we're
losing
and
we're
losing
badly?
And
it's
happening
year
over
year
without
much
change?
A
If
we
do
have
winning
the,
I
can't
remember
what
university
it
was,
but
the
graduate
program,
what
is
it
the
nyu
and
we
can
bring
on
those
graduate
programs
fuse
has,
has
you
know
partnered
with
other
fellowship
programs
in
the
past
and
and
we
need
as
many
people
working
on
this
issue
as
possible.
It's
a
big
issue
and
we
all
that
we're
all
aware
of
so.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
as
a
as
a
closing
comment,
so
I
think
we
have.
A
We
know
what
we
need
to
bring
to
the
next
meeting
in
between
this
meeting
and
the
next
one
please
feel
free
to
share
any
other
specific.
You
know
questions
or
concerns
that
you
have
and
we
can
work
on
getting
you
responses
in
the
next
hopefully
week
or
two
like.
I
want
you
to
have
this
in
advance.
So
after
you
get
that
information,
you
can
send
any
follow-up
concerns
or
questions.