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A
B
A
Okay,
so
our
first
order
of
business
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
our
regular
meeting
of
september
13th.
Do
I
have
a
motion
so
move?
Second,
okay
and
no
corrections?
I
assume
all
oops
roll
call.
Please.
D
A
Okay,
so
what
I
thought
we'd
do
is
for
each
item
as
it
comes
up
on
the
agenda.
We
would
take
the
public
comment
for
that
item
and
so
we're
going
to
start
with
item
p1
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
make
the
motion
just
to
get
it
on
the
table
and
then
we'll
have
the
public
comment.
A
E
A
Okay,
and
so
I
think
we
have
someone
online
who
would
like
to
offer
public
comment,
I.
C
A
F
So
I'm
it
seems
like
this
is
premature
and
maybe
irrelevant,
since
the
project
right
now
will
be
returning
to
p
d
and
counsel
for
consideration.
After
I'm,
going
through
plan
commission,
which
has
an
upcoming
hearing
well
they're,.
A
There
well
johanna.
C
C
F
Right,
but
they
can't,
I
mean
that
building
I
mean
it
couldn't
go
forward
without
the
major
adjustment
and
it's
no
longer
c1
correct,
because
they're,
not
building
commercial.
F
F
B
It's
an
extension,
that's
what
this
is
an
extension
of
that
ordinance,
the
what's
that
plan
commission.
F
A
A
D
D
D
The
sole
reason
for
the
app
by
the
applicant's
own
admission
to
ask
for
c1a
no
longer
exists
with
this
change.
It
is
no
longer
c1a,
it
is
now
r6
and
must
be
reconsidered
as
such.
Also
and
very
importantly,
this
project
has
uncovered
significant
foundation
and
structural
challenges
which
need
to
be
addressed
by
the
city
by
the
city
by
an
experienced
qualified,
independent
structural
engineering
firm
before
any
approval
may
be
given.
Please
reject
this
irrelevant
extension
and
thank
you
very
much
sorry
about
the
problem.
A
Thank
you,
but,
but
really
there
there
are
two
different
items
that
are
coming
to
planning
and
development.
Eventually,
one
is
still
pending
it
at
the
plan
commission
to
talk
about
these
major
variations,
but
what's
before
us
tonight
is
merely
the
extension
of
the
time
to
obtain
a
building
permit,
and
this
is
something
that
happens
routinely
with
plan
developments.
They,
I
can't
think
of
a
plan
development
that
just
went
right
through
and
managed
to
make
to
not
need
to
come
for
an
extension.
So
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
request,
unrelated
to
the
the
question.
H
Well,
just
to
agree
with
you,
madam
chair,
that
that
this
is
a
very
regular
occurrence
that
we
have
had
with
developments
over
the
years
to
request
a
continuation
of
the
time
period
to
and
and
we
regularly
grant
them
the
only
time
I
can
think
of
one
where
we
didn't
was.
It
was
the
third
extension.
If
I
recall-
and
at
that
point
we
realized
that
we
needed
to
help
the
developer
realize
that
they
were
not
going
to
be
building
the
building.
H
So,
but
this
is
very
routine,
especially
in
this
construction
environment
that
we
that
we're
in.
A
G
Yes,
so
I
I
you
know,
I
think,
as
folks
are
saying
here,
it's
routines
that
likely
make
sense
to
support
this,
but
if
it
is
routine
that
folks
have
to
come
back
for
this
extension,
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
staff
can
explain
what
is
the
normal
time
frame,
and
you
know
maybe,
if
it's
a
large
percentage
of
people
who
are
coming
back
for
these
extensions.
Maybe
we
should
look
at
just
changing
the
policy
on
how
long
we
get
folks
in
the
first
place.
So
we
don't
have
these,
you
know.
So
this
isn't.
C
Sure
so,
generally
it's
it's
a
12-month
week.
We
hope
that
they
can
pull
a
building
permit
within
12
months.
Sometimes
their
attorneys
will
indicate
there
might
be
something
particularly
challenging
about
the
project
or
they
need
a
little
extra
time.
So
sometimes
I
can't
think
about
the
top
of
my
head
of
one
that
might
have
had
longer.
Some
of
the
extensions
have
gone
to
18
months
when
they
return,
but
usually
you
know
we
want
to
keep
these
things
standardized
to
12
months.
C
So
we
set
the
expectation
that
you
should
be
building
within
12
months
and
then,
when
they
do
return,
we
get.
We
often
have
new
due
diligence,
that's
been
completed
and
information.
They
can
better
give
a
sense
as
to
when,
when
they
think
they'll
be
able
to
complete
the
building.
So
I
I
would
add,
supply
chains,
I'm
sure
everyone
has
heard
it
are
very
challenging
right
now,
as
well,
so
obtaining
materials
obtaining
labor
continue
to
be
a
challenge
for
all
builders
and
at
all
levels
of
projects.
C
F
Kelly,
so
thank
you
for
your
patience
as
I
I
don't
have
any.
I
understand
that
there
would
be
that
this
would
be
frequent
and
and
regular
to
get
extensions
on
permitting,
but
I
guess
I
just
understand:
is
it
also
normal
to
be
still
at
the
plan
plan
commission
stage
and
again
it's
not
like
they're
at
plan
commission
stage.
Just
to
you
know
the
redesign
of
a
doorway
or
something
I
mean
it's
the
foundation.
F
C
C
C
It
is
sometimes
that
due
diligence
to
figure
out
where
the
foundation
is
and
and
given
the
challenges
that
we've
experienced
with
covid
and
getting
people
to
the
site
and
and
changing
those
things
it
just
hasn't
been
as
fast
as
I
think
it
would
have
been
in.
You
know,
pre-pre-covered
time.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
too
much
to
their
particular
situation,
but
but
but
both
of
these
are
totally
different
things
to
address
the
approved
organs.
So
so
one
is
an
extension
and
one
is
to
adjust
that
plan
development.
C
So
there
could
be
a
situation
where
you
in
these
major
adjustments
that
we've
seen
is
they're
still
doing
the
due
diligence,
and
they
know
they
might
be.
A
different
development
might
be
asking
for
additional
time
for
due
diligence,
which
is,
which
is,
is
what
they've
they're
kind
of
ahead
of
the
curve
here
in
terms
of
figuring
out,
which
is
why
we'd
have
the
major
adjustment.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you,
it
just
seems
like
there
could
be
cases
where
you,
especially
the
major
adjustment
or
that
could
get.
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
saying
in
this
case
it
will,
but
it
just
seems
like
it
seems
like
it
would
be
safer
to
have
that
get
approved
and
then
go
to
and
then
go
for,
but
anyway
not
a
bit.
I
mean
thank
you
for
explaining
it.
Okay,.
H
Well,
my
memory
baby
may
be
a
little
flawed
on
this,
but
the
northwest
corner
of
maine
and
chicago
the
building
that's
been
there
now
for
well
over
10
years,
had,
if
not
quite
similar,
but
they
discovered
after
they
had
a
building
design
that
the
design
of
the
building
that
they
were
planning
that
the
foundation
that
the
subsoil
simply
would
not
have
handled
the
building
that
they
were
designing.
H
And
you
know
at
the
time
they
had
fine
architects
and
good
civil
engineers,
but
did
come
back
to
us
and
said
we're
gonna
have
to
make
adjustments
and
we
gave
them
an
extension,
so
in
the
sense
of
having
something
that
is
somewhat
similar
and
having
had
that
occur.
H
H
F
Kelly,
so
I
just
it's
not
to
object
to
it,
but
I
just
say
it
is
then
somewhat
unusual
to
be
going
through
planning
the
plan
commission
with
a
major
adjustment
to
be
going
first
to
p
and
d,
for
I
just
want
to
say
that
is
somewhat
unusual
like
we
don't
that's
not
often
where
a
plan
would
come
to
p
d
before
fulfilling
its.
You
know,
presentation
to
plan
commission
for
a
major
adjustment
that
this
is
somewhat
unusual.
A
No,
I
would
say
that
this
sequence
is
unusual,
but
you
know
they've
run
into
a
timing
problem,
and
so
that's
that's.
Why
we're
doing
the
one
first
any
further
conversation
discussion
from
the
members
of
the
committee,
then
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
to
introduce
ordinance
111-0-21,
granting
a
12-month
extension
to
obtain
a
building
permit
for
the
construction
of
a
planned
development
at
1900
sherman.
Would
you
take
the
role
please.
G
A
Okay,
that
will
be
moved
on
to
city
council
for
introduction.
So
now
we're
ready
for
item
p2,
and
I
just
to
get
this
introduced.
I'm
going
to
move
introduction
of
ordinance,
116-0-21
amending
the
city
of
evanston's,
leaf-blower
policy,
removing
it
from
the
noise
ordinance
and
title
9
of
the
city
code
and
placing
it
on
placing
it
under
title.
Eight
is
that
right
of
health
and
sanitation.
Is
there
a
second
okay,
and
we
have
some
public
comment.
I
believe
mike
o'connor.
I
Good
evening,
council
members
I'm
mike
o'connor,
I
am
a
resident
of
the
seventh
ward
and
I
serve
on
the
board
of
trustees
at
canal
shores.
I'm
joined
this
evening
by
tony
frandria,
who
is
our
super
superintendent
of
grounds
and
general
manager
for
the
course.
I
have
a
brief
statement.
I'd
like
to
read
for
your
consideration.
I
Canal
shores
sits
on
82
acres
of
public
green
space
located
in
both
the
city
of
evanston
and
the
village
of
wilmette.
Approximately
55
acres
of
this
space
is
located
within
the
city
of
evanston
and
of
those
55
acres.
Only
20
are
considered
in
play
areas
that
must
be
maintained
to
play
the
game
of
golf.
I
I
We
use
blowers
to
clear
off
debris
such
as
leaves
twigs
and
and
the
like,
so
that
they
do
not
damage
the
blades
of
our
equipment
and
to
have
the
playing
surface
as
clear
as
possible.
From
anything
that
will
affect
golf
balls
as
they
roll
across
the
ground
through
much
of
the
golf
season,
flower
petals,
cottonwood
seeds
leaves
and
twigs
fall
onto
the
course
or
blow
it
onto
the
course,
and
they
need
to
be
cleared
on
nearly
a
daily
basis.
I
I
However,
this
type
of
technology
is
not
currently
available
for
blowers
needed
to
clear
the
more
vast
areas
like
the
fairways
and
the
tee
boxes,
and
even
the
greens,
when
they're
heavily
debris
to
clear
these
areas,
we
must
use
a
more
powerful,
sometimes
called
a
buffalo
blower,
and
you
know
when
a
when
a
sufficiently
powerful
blower
of
this
type
becomes
available
in
a
in
a
battery
form
we'll
migrate
to
it.
Just
the
same
way
we
have
with
the
with
the
backpack
blowers.
I
All
this
being
stated
canal
shores
is
respectfully
requesting
that
the
following
language
change
in
the
proposed
city
of
evanston
ordinance
in
section
826,
8
under
exceptions,
the
second
exception
golf
greens-
should
be
deleted
and
in
its
place,
should
refer
to
in
play
areas
of
the
golf
course.
These
additional
areas
would
include,
of
course,
the
t's
and
the
fairways
canal
shores
prides
itself
on
its
commitment
to
the
ecology
of
the
property
and
is
steadfast
in
preserving
the
property
in
the
most
sustainable,
environmentally
sensitive
way
possible
now
and
in
the
future.
A
H
Yes,
I
had
just
had
one
question
for
the
speaker,
so
when
you
were
saying
you
migrated
to
backpack
leaf
blowers
are,
did
you
mean
to
say
electric?
Yes,.
I
Better
they're,
battery-powered
and
recharged
through
an
elect
electricity.
H
Sure
do
we
have
a
copy
of
that
language,
possibly
I.
J
I
will
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
ordinance
as
as
the
speaker
requested.
This
is
something
I
emailed.
Anticipation
of
this
comment
did
email
counsel
earlier
this
evening,
so
just
to
restate
the
amendment,
it
would
be
to
section
8-26-8
exceptions
to
strike
the
words
golf
greens
and
insert
the
words
in
play
areas
of
a
golf
course.
H
B
G
Thank
you.
So
I'm
curious,
I
am
not
a
golfer,
so
can
someone
please
explain
to
me
a
little
more
about
what
the
difference
between
the
golf
greens
and
play
area
is.
J
C
So
tee
box
is
where
you
tee
off:
it's
where
you
start
the
hole
and
then
there's
the
playing
area
which
gets
you
to
the
green,
which
is
where
the
whole,
which
fairway
thank
you.
I
was
married
to
a
golf
course
for
many
years.
You
think
I
know
this,
but
and
then
you
get
to
the
the
hole
which
is
the
green,
which
is
the
shorter
grass,
which
is
the
more
challenging
area
potentially
to
get
in
the
hole.
G
G
Yeah,
okay,
I
have
a
I'd
like
to
also
I
mean
this
isn't
to
the
motion.
So
I'll
save
most
the
comment,
but
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
city.
My
assumption
is
that
the
city
is
one
of
those
three
exemptions
and
I
would
love
for
us
to
to
be
meeting
these
goals.
I
think
the
city
should
be
leading
on
carp.
G
I
get
I've
heard
the
discussion
before
that.
We
have
a
large,
you
know
amount
of
land
to
care
for,
but
I
think
we
should
be
leaning
on
this
as
well.
A
In
terms
of
our
landscape,
I
mean
the
grass
etc
is
the
city,
baseball
fields
and
the
artificial
turf
fields,
but
all
of
our
72
parks
will
have
to
be
maintained
with
you
know,
per
the
new
per
the
amended
policy.
So
we
are,
the
city
is
going
to
be
challenged
to
to
make
that
transition.
F
Kelly
and
then
I
just
want
to
say
that's
great
and
thanks
for
all
your
work
on
this,
it's
very
exciting
to
think
about
april
of
23
right
when
this
will
be
in
place
right.
E
Yes,
so
it
says
under
penalties,
any
person
who
uses
a
leaf,
blower
or
permits
the
private
or
commercial
use
of
a
leaf
blower
on
their
property
in
violation
of
this
chapter
shall
be
subject
to
the
following
penalty,
so
that
did
that
say
like
whoever
we
come
across
first.
So
if,
if
it's
a
worker,
then
they
they're
fined
and
if
we're
able
to
come
across
the
homeowner
or
the
property
owner,
then
they're
fine.
How
does.
A
Who
is
who
is
ultimately
eligible
to
right
so
that
language
is
actually
currently
in
our
currently
in
the
ordinance
and
and
it
is
applicable
either
to
the
property
owner
or
to
generally
the
company?
That's
hiring
the
worker
rather
than
the
worker
him
or
herself.
A
Right,
yeah
enforcement
is,
we
still
need
to
have
further
conversations
about
how
to
have
an
effect,
fair
and
effective
enforcement.
So
we'll
be
con
continuing
that
conversation.
We
know
that
we
need
to
do
more
work
on
figuring
out
effective
enforcement.
We
also
need
to
do
a
serious
community
education
effort
both
aimed
at
property
owners
and
at
landscape
contractors
to
help
the
whole
community
understand
why
we
are
moving
in
this
direction
of
eliminating
gas-powered
equipment.
A
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
work
for
us
to
do
before
before
april.
2023.
E
The
last
question
is:
is
the
the
landscaping
business
community
are
there
any?
You
know
provisions
listed
here
that
there's
that.
D
E
Are
still
outstanding
concerns
outside
of
enforcement,
and
I
think
that
was
really
all
I
heard
was
enforcement
I'm
just
trying
to
see.
If
there's
is
there
anything
else
that
that
the
business
community
generally
speaking,
is
concerned
about
related.
A
Well,
I
I
think
for
all
of
them,
there's
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
transition
and
investment
in
new
equipment,
and
I
think,
as
we've
already
been,
having
conversations
with
city
staff
about
seeing
if
there's
ways
for
the
city
to
assist
with
procurement
of
electric
equipment.
A
So
we
hope
we
hope
to
be
able
to
support
our
business
community
as
they
make
that
transition.
B
E
Is
there
you
know
and
again
I'm
just
just
for
argument's
sake?
Should
we
pass
this
before
we
understand
how
to
enforce
if
the
what
that
will
result
in
is
the
you
know,
inequitable
or
unfair.
However,
you
want
to
look
at
it
for
enforcement
of
this
fine
of
this
of
this
ordinance.
That's
my
concern.
How
do
we
make
sure
it's
I'm
not
getting
calls
saying?
E
Well,
you
know
I
I
seem
to
be
targeted
by
this
and
every
time
I'm
out
and
about
using
the
leaf
blower,
I'm
getting
fine
and
I
see
somebody
else
across
town,
that's
using
it
and
they're.
Never,
you
know
bothered,
because
I.
A
Would
say,
I
would
say,
we're
not
doing
a
good
job
yet
on
that
score.
What
this?
What
the
change
in
what
we're
looking
at
right
here
compared
to
the
current
ordinance.
Currently,
we
have
just
a
flat
penalty,
and
so
you
know
that
you
do
if
you
violate
more
than
once,
you
still
have
the
same
penalty.
A
So
what
we're
doing
trying
to
do
is
have
this
more
graduated
penalty
structure
so
that
it
gets
people's
attention,
but
no
the
the
point
that
you're
making
about
being
fair-
and
you
know
enforcing
it
across
the
community
it
would.
We
definitely
have
more
work
to
do.
I
think
it's
a
staffing,
a
staffing
question.
E
A
Okay,
so
aldermen
win
and
I
mean
council
member
win
and
then
council
member
kelly.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
that
you
have
stated
what
about
what
I
was
about
to
say,
which
is
we
really
have
to
undertake
a
serious
education
process
so
that
people
understand
that
it's
it's
multiple
factors:
it's
not
just
noise.
H
It's
the
health
of
the
workers,
it's
the
health
of
all
of
us
having
spores
and
things
being
blown
into
the
air
that
remain
in
the
air,
pesticides,
it's
blowing
away,
pollinators
and
and-
and
I
think,
as
I've
said
before
once
people
understand
that
actually
this
is
more
harmful
to
their
lawn
than
many
things
that
I
think
they'll
they'll
go
along
with
the
idea
that
they
don't
want
a
lawn
that
looks
like
a
leaf.
H
Blower
has
been
used
on
it,
but
as
I've
talked
to
people-
and
I
think
people
are
gradually
realizing
that,
even
if
they
don't
care
about
the
noise,
the
idea
that
that
this
blows
away
pollinators
bothers
them,
and
so
there
are
lots
of
different
factors,
and
we
also
heard
from
the
scientists
at
northwestern
about
the
effects
of
noise
on
people's
ability
to
think
clearly
and
to
learn.
So
I,
when
I
have
people
who
have
been
concerned
that
their
lawn
isn't
going
to
look
as
perfect
when
I
start
talking
to
them
about.
H
Do
you
understand
the
effects
of
this
they're
surprised?
So,
even
though
we
all
hear
a
lot
about
this,
I
think
we
really
have
to
make
a
concerted
effort
to
make
sure
the
residents
know
and-
and
I
agree
with
you
councilmember
burns-
I
think
actually
it
should
be
the
residents,
the
property
owners
who
get
the
fine
and
so
we're
talking
about.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
that
happens,
that
if
someone
isn't
complying
it's
the
people
who
hire
the
landscapers
so
that
they
real?
H
They
understand
that
the
damage
that
they're
doing
to
the
community
and
and
getting
people
on
board
to
realize
that
they
don't
want
to
be
doing
that
you
know.
So
I
have
some
ideas.
We
all
have
ideas
around
the
committee
and
it's
a
matter
of
really
talking
to
people.
We
have
lots
of
information
to
give
people
and
pushing
that
out
into
the
community.
So
people
really
truly
understand.
F
I'd
like
to
thank
the
community,
that's
been
researching
leaf
blowing
because
there
has
been
so
much
wonderful
research
describing
the
negative
impacts
on
our
health
and
on
the
quality
of
living.
So
thank
you
to
the
many
many
community
members
who've.
You
know
done
some
real,
deep
research
on
this
and
provided
us
with
those
studies
that
was
really
really
helpful.
Also
just
on
the
enforcement,
I
think.
Currently
we
have
an
issue
with
enforcement.
So
is
the
plan
to
come
back
and
amend
this
soon
because
even
now,
as
it
stands,
right,
there's
an
issue.
F
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
plan
is-
and
I
know
there
have
been
some
talk
of
some
people
did
some
research
to
suggest
that
maybe
it
would
be
best
if
it
was
the
traffic
department,
and
I
think
that
would
I
to
me
that
does
seem
like
that-
might
be
the
most
effective
way
to
ensure
that
this
is
a
successful
program
and
I'd
also
like
to
concur
with
council
member
when
that
I
agree
the
homeowners,
if
we
could
consider
having
that
wording
tightened
up
so
that
it's
the
homeowners.
F
I
know
this
we're
going
to
vote
on
this,
but
when
we
come
back
with
looking
at
enforcement,
I
do
think
it
should
be
the
homeowner.
Otherwise,
even
as
this
is
written,
it
could
be
one
time
the
company
and
another
time
the
homeowner,
so
we
might
not
get
to
a
second
or
third
offense
for
a
long
time
and
I'd
hate
to
see,
we've
seen
some
videos
of
altercations
between
residents
with
the
with
the
landscape
workers,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
any
of
that
ever
again.
F
So
I
really
really
hope
we
can
just
insist
that
this
be
all
the
fines
are
right.
Yeah.
A
I
think
that
enforcement
doesn't
need
to
be
spelled
out
in
an
ordinance.
That's
something
that
we
need
to
work
out
with
city
staff,
council
member
burns.
E
Has
there
any
been
any
discussion
about
putting
this
on
the
homeowner's
water
bill,
one
and
similar
to
how
we
do
with
what
other
violations
or
like
the
special
pickup?
I
think
when
we
assess
those
fees,
it
goes
on
the
water
bill
and
then
two.
A
I
got
one
more
question
yeah,
but
exactly
that
suggestion
has
been
made
as
a
way
to
to
levy
the
the
fine
to
put
it
on
the
water
bill
yep.
But
we
need
to
do
a
lot
more
con.
A
lot
more
conversations,
yeah.
E
A
There
I'm
sure
it's
been
discussed,
but
you
know
no.
So
before
you
came
on
to
the
council,
the
the
city
council
approved
a
requirement
for
landscape
contractors
to
register
with
the
city,
so
that
enables
us,
then
to
communicate
with
them
remind
them
about
the
regulations
when
it's
you
know
the
hours
or
whatever,
whatever
we
need
to
remind
them
about
in
terms
of
our
policy
and
a
way
for
us
to
reach
out
to
them
with
information
about
electrical
equipment,
or
you
know
the
transition
so.
A
We
don't
have
the
decal
yet,
but
I
think
that's
a
good,
a
good
suggestion
and
we've
we've
also
talked
about
sending
a
letter
to
all
of
our
landscape
contractors,
asking
them
to
sign
a
pledge
or
something
about
understanding
our
regulations
and
their
willingness
to
comply.
And
then
we
would
have
a
list
on
our
website
of
all
the
contractors
who
have
indicated
a
willingness
to
follow
our
regulations.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
carrots
that
I
think
we
want
to
pursue
in
terms
of
implementing.
E
A
E
A
A
A
But
thanks
for
the
reminder,
council.
A
All
right
that
passes
and
will
be
introduced
at
council
this
evening.
So
now
we
are
ready
for
item
p3,
which
is
lessons
learned
from
our
green
leaf,
shared
street
pilot
project,
and
this
is
for
ac
to
accept
and
place
on
file,
and
we
have
a
staff.
C
Aha,
we
didn't
have
any.
I
think
dave
was
just
moving
a
seat,
we
don't
have
a
presentation,
it
was
just.
C
And
information
on
the
outcome,
just
so
people
were
aware
of
jessica
hank
is
on
the
should
be
on
the
zoom.
If
you
have
any
questions,
she
okay
took
the
lead
and
managed
this
project
for
the
month
of
august.
A
Okay,
council,
member
newsman.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
oops.
Thank
you
jessica
for
managing
this
project
and
for
the
the
robust
debrief
that's
in
our
packet
tonight.
I
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
among
the
lessons
we
take
away
from
this
pilot
project
is
the
importance
of
public
engagement.
You
know
prior
to
implementing
a
project.
J
I
know
that
we
did
mail
postcards
out
to
the
to
the
nearby
residents,
but
I,
if
we
do
this
again,
you
know,
would
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
share
the
idea
at
ward
meetings
well
in
advance.
You
know
further
in
advance
than
just
two
or
three
weeks,
so
just
one
more
bit
of
feedback.
Another
lesson
learned
from
the
pilot
project.
G
Yeah,
I
I,
if
jessica
or
miss
knight-
and
I
want
to
provide
this-
I
I
would
just
high-level
you
know
a
couple
bullet
points.
Takeaways
that
you
know
are
the
the
key
points
that
we
learned
from
this
endeavor.
K
That
yeah
good
evening
members
of
the
planning
and
development
committee,
my
name
is
jessica
hank.
I
am
the
transportation
and
mobility
coordinator
for
the
city
of
evanston
the,
so
the
project
occurred
for
a
one
month
period
on
green
leaf
from
the
channel
all
the
way
to
the
lakeshore,
and
it
allow
to
allow
people
to
get
to
residential
areas,
commercial
areas
to
bike
and
walk
in
a
safer
environment,
ideally
than
what
would
normally
be
allowed
with
greater
traffic.
K
The
barricade
is
placed
in
one
of
the
travel
lanes,
which
requires
drivers
to
take
turns
to
access
the
route,
and
so
the
city
decided
to
take
a
more
minimal
approach
to
determine
if
signage
would
limit
drivers
from
continuing
to
utilize
green
leaf,
and
so
that
was
that
was
one
big
key
takeaway
was
that
that
was
not
successful.
K
We
had
residents
who
were
moving
the
barricades
off
of
the
street
entirely,
and
then
we
had
residents
who
are
moving
the
barricades
to
the
more
traditional
space
taking
up
a
lane,
and
so
there's
this
push
and
pull
between
different
community
members
and
the
maintenance
of
that
took
up
quite
a
bit
of
staff
time
and
that
was
unexpected
and
then
finally,
we
in
order
to
improve
a
design
of
a
pilot
project
like
this
and
to
improve
community
engagement
in
the
future.
K
A
K
Yes,
so
the
city
is
currently
conducting
three
phase:
one
engineering
projects,
one
is
on
church
street
from
dodge
to
mcdaniel,
to
look
at
extending
the
church
street
bike
lane
and
what
has
come
from
the
public
outreach
of
that
phase.
One
engineering
project,
our
protected
bike
lanes
to
get
people
safely
to
the
high
school
and
to
travel
along
church
street
on
that
portion
from
dodge
to
mcdaniel.
K
So
that
is
an
area
where
city
staff
are
looking
at
implementing
protected
bike
lanes.
Again,
it's
a
phase,
one
engineering
study.
So
then,
after
completion
and
provided
that
community
members
continue
to
support
the
treatment,
that's
been
selected,
the
city
will
be
looking
for
funding
opportunities
to
complete
phase
two
and
phase
three
engineering,
and
then
the
city
is
also
doing
a
phase.
K
One
engineering
study
for
chicago
avenue
from
the
protected
bike
lanes
that
end
at
davis
and
then
looking
at
chicago
avenue
all
the
way
to
howard
street
and
the
initial
preferred
treatment
that
came
out
of
the
first
public
outreach
meeting
is
protected
by
claims.
Potentially,
however,
there
will
be
additional
public
outreach
meetings
to
determine
a
final
treatment
option,
so
there's
no
final
determination
for
treatment
option
for
that
street.
G
Let
me
ask
one
more
question
sure
jessica.
Thank
you
for
all
the
information,
so
I
am
curious
since
we're
discussing
protected
bike
lanes
in
the
context
of
this
study.
In
some
other.
G
I
don't
know
if
it's
being
done
in
america,
but
do
you
know
if
you
know
the
illinois
jeez
illinois
law
whatever
it
is
that
if
I
dot
would
allow
us
to
create
bike
lanes
that,
for
example,
believe
in
the
netherlands,
their
bike
lanes
use
an
asphalt
that
is
or
a
material
that
is
a
different
color
than
the
road.
It's
not
a
painted
thing,
it's
just
that
the
actual
pavement
is
a
different
color
to
really
create
a
clear
distinction
between
the
roof
between
the
area
for
bikes
and
the
road.
G
G
K
Those
type
of
regulations
are
covered
by
mutcd
and
that's
at
the
federal
level
and
typically
green,
is
the
only
type
of
paint
that
would
be
allowed
as
a
treatment
in
bike
lanes.
However,
many
communities
are
shifting
away
from
using
green
paint
and
bike
lanes
due
to
the
very
high
cost
of
replacing
it.
That
is
the
benefit
of
a
protected
bike.
Lane,
however,
is
that
you
have
that
protection
without
needing
to
have
that
distinct
paint,
treatment.
K
A
Do
we
need
to
vote
to
place
something
on
file?
Okay,
would
you
like
to
do?
We
need
oops
council
member
burns.
E
K
Traffic
counts
for
prevore
manually,
the
city
of
evanston
does
not
have
traffic
counting
equipment
for
pedestrians
or
bicyclists,
and
so
the
only
option
was
to
perform
the
traffic
counts
manually,
so
city
staff
and
also
volunteers,
supplemented
the
traffic
counts
at
various
locations
throughout
the
project.
Limits.
A
Okay,
so
I
so
I
guess
so.
We
need
a
motion
to
accept
this
and
place
it
on
file.
H
I
move
that
we
accept
that
this
lessons
learned
green
leaf
pilot
program
and
place
it
on
file.
A
G
A
You
is
there
a
second
second
okay
discussion
and
yes,
go
ahead.
G
Yes,
yes,
so
I
appreciate
as
a
new
electric
scooter
writer,
I
appreciate
staff
continuing
to
look
into
this.
I
am
curious
what
folks
are
seeing
in
the
memo
I
recall.
Reading
that
and
just
I
know
chicago
is
rolling
out
a
robust
scooter
program
and
so
and
the
memo
I
believe,
mentions
having
some
continuity
between
for
travelers
going
between
evanston
and
chicago.
G
So
you
know
once
we
place
this
on
file.
Is
there
if
staff
can
give
kind
of
next
steps?
Maybe
I
don't
think
I've
missed
that
in
the
memo
I
don't
know
if
I
saw
next
steps
if
we're
going
to
pursue
an
agreement
with
with
some
electric
scooter
company
yeah.
If
I
can
just
generally
get
an
update
on
where
folks
think
we're
heading.
K
Yes,
so
I
am
in
regular
conversations
with
the
chicago
department
of
transportation
as
it
relates
to
both
divi
bike
share,
e-scooter
share
and
then
other
transportation
opportunities
to
share
between
evanston
and
the
city
of
chicago,
and
so
the
next
step
is
to
receive
a
determination
on
first
right
of
refusal
for
e-scooter
share
by
lyft
the
operator
of
divi
bikes
and
currently,
because
chicago
has
not
made
a
determination
on
their
final.
Three
operators.
K
Lyft
has
not
made
a
determination
on
providing
e-scooter
share
for
the
city
of
evanston,
so
that
is
one
item
that
needs
to
be
determined
before
moving
forward
with
e-scooter
share
in
evanston
and
because
we
have
this
opportunity
over
the
winter
and
early
spring.
H
Yeah,
I
I
completely
agree
with
that
and
we
we
should
make
sure
we're
ready
for
it
as
best
we
can.
The
other
question
I
have
and
miss
high.
You
may
not
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
is
there
any
movement
on
the
part
of
scooter
manufacturers
to
build
a
an
ability
for
the
whoever's
riding
it
to
use
a
turn
signal,
because
I
think
that's
our
significant
safety
issue
that
there's
no
ability
to
use
a
turn
signal
to
or
even
to
use
your
arms
as
a
term
signal.
H
Do
you
know
if
there's
any
discussion
on
having
having
the
them
that
they're,
a
new,
better
scooter
might
be
coming
out
with
that
for
that
design.
K
Yeah,
so
the
e-scooters
are
continually
evolving,
and
currently
there
are
separate
manufacturers
that
have
created
add-ons
for
scooters
to
provide
lights
and
stabilization.
K
However,
to
my
knowledge,
there's
no
easy
scooter
share
company
that
has
incorporated
additional
turn
signal
movements
on
their
vehicles.
K
However,
what
is
becoming
increasingly
more
popular
is
what
people
may
have
thought
of
as
a
scooter
before
e-scooters
came
into
the
market.
What
you
might
also
call
a
moped,
and
so
moped
share
is
also
increasing
as
well,
which
is
electric
moped
share.
I
should
say
which
is
a
safer
alternative
to
the
kick
e-scooter.
H
K
H
Yeah
is
there
any
way
in
which
I
know
I
drive
home.
You
know
late
at
night
from
our
council
meetings
and
it's
always
alarming
to
me
to
see
bicyclists
who
have
no
lights,
and
so
I'm
equally
alarmed
that
we
have
e-scooters
that
don't
have
lights
that
are
built
into
them
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
way
in
which
we
could
urge
chicago
to
have
that
as
a
requirement
and
then
adopt
it
as
well.
I
recognize
the
problems
that
would
have
if
we
alone
had
that
requirement.
H
G
If
I
can
chime
in
on
that,
I
I
can
say
that
almost
all
e-scooters-
I
was
certain
again
just
in
the
market,
for
one
do
have
a
headlight
which
is
highly
appreciated,
pretty
bright.
One
is
what
I've
seen
in
almost
every
model
that
I
looked
at
again,
miss
hayek
is
jessica
is
completely
right
that
the
brake
light
that
is
on
a
lot
of
these
models,
is
down
at
foot
level
which
isn't
the
most
visible.
But
a
lot
of
models
do
have.
G
You
know
pretty
at
least
the
one
I
have
had
pretty
visible
lights
on
the
side,
I
will
say
that
most
of
the
you
know
what
jessica
referred
to
as
the
kind
of
moped
style
e-scooters
that
actually
have
like
a
seat.
Those
tend
to
have
a
much
better
kind
of
safety
regime.
If
you
know
safety
equipment,
and
that's
really
what
I
imagine
not
the
kickstee
scooters,
I
really
imagine
evanston
having
the
the
seated
these
scooters
that
are
closer
to
the
moped.
Those
seem
much
safer.
G
It
seems
like
you,
certainly
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
riding
that
on
a
sidewalk.
So
it's
much
easier
to
keep
those
in
the
street
and
that's
my
recollection
of
using
the
e-scooters
in
chicago
a
few
years
back.
Almost
all
of
the
models
that
I
recall
seeing
were
the
seated
moped,
e-scooter
style.
A
Okay,
well,
this
is
obviously
just
the
beginning
of
this
conversation,
so
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
vote
on
accepting
and
placing
on
file.
This
update
on
electric
scooter
regulations
and
electric
scooter
share.
A
So
seeing
as
we
have
no
more
business
before
the
committee,
I
declare
us
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.