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A
B
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
mark
monster
Director
of
Community
Development.
This
presentation
will
be
given
by
mr.
latina,
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Administrator,
first
and
foremost,
I
would
also
I
would
like
to
thank
the
community
and
economic
development
staff
who
put
the
memo
and
presentation
together
merely
as
a
potential
starting
point
for
conversation
regarding
to
the
what
we're
calling
the
north
downtown
planning
area.
B
C
C
So
what
we
want
to
talk
about
tonight
is
provided
brief
overview
of
the
downtown
plan
from
2009
we're
going
to
look
at
some
of
the
properties
with
development
potential
we're
also
going
to
dive
into
the
actual
north
downtown
planning
effort
that
we've
done
so
far
would
look
at
the
northwest
university
housing
master
plan,
we'll
look
at
the
transit
data
and
census
data
for
the
last
ten
years
and
then
we'll
provide
some
overview
for
the
next
steps
and
the
recommendations
moving
forward.
So
how
do
we
get
here?
C
As
you
probably
recall,
we
had
a
project
proposed
plan
development
at
831
emerson
street
that
is
located
just
north
of
the
downtown
area,
the
current
downtown
boundary,
which
is
emerson
street.
The
proposal
called
for
mixed-use
multifamily
development
that
was
sort
of
targeted
to
students.
I
was
a
12-story
building
with
267
units
on
site.
The
development
was
denied
primarily
because
of
the
concern
about
the
scalar
development
hi.
C
The
fact
that
it
was
outside
of
the
downtown
boundary,
but
it
reflected
more
of
the
the
scale
of
the
developments
in
the
downtown,
so
the
committee
recommended
taking
a
look
at
the
framework
and
sort
of
the
planning
effort
north
to
downtown.
So
the
last
time
there
was
a
planning
exercise
done
in
this
area
was
in
2009,
actually
two
years
prior
to
that
in
it
was
adopted
in
February
of
2009
as
the
downtown
plan.
C
This
map
really
shows
that
the
base
basis
in
the
context
for
the
downtown
plan,
the
plan
centered
around
the
train
stations,
the
Davis
Street
Station,
the
metra
and
CTA,
and
then
defined
the
quarter
mile
radius
around
the
stations,
which
is
basically
a
five-minute
walk
to
the
station.
So
that's
how
the
downtown
boundary
was
developed
and
it
became
Emerson
on
the
north,
along
with
Clark
and
Elgin,
and
then
Ridge
on
the
west,
Emerson
or
lake
street
to
the
south
and
then
primarily
in
mount
up
on
the
east.
C
This
map
also
shows
the
sites
that
at
that
time
were
identified
as
those
the
development
potential
and
those
are
outlined
in
in
tan
color.
There
were
two
main
recommendations.
Basically,
they
came
out
of
the
downtown
plan.
The
first
one
was
that
the
plan
identified
13
sub
areas
that
essentially
were
differentiated
between
the
downtown
core,
the
downtown
transitional
areas
on
the
edges
and
then
the
three
downtown
traditional
areas
that
one
was
centered
along
data
street
west.
The
tracks
identified
as.
C
K1
along
sherman
avenue
just
north
of
church
and
then
the
the
last
one
is
long
davis
between
orrington
and
a
chicago
avenue.
So
the
downtown
core
was
seen
as
sort
of
having
the
highest
density
in
the
core
of
the
downtown
area,
which
is
the
big
letter
I,
and
then
these
on
the
outskirts
were
the
transitional
sub
areas
that
were
seen
as
sort
of
a
overview
between
the
downtown
and
the
outside
frames.
C
Now
the
plan
did
call
for
the
development
framework
and
just
looked
at
the
heights
of
potential
developments
in
this
area
and
sort
of
a
sign.
What
it
felt
was
an
appropriate
development
context
at
that
time
and
also
looked
at
the
bonus
for
those
for
the
developments
that
if
a
project
provides
public
benefits,
then
it
would
would
be
allowed
to
go
higher.
C
The
other
sort
of
big
recommendation
from
the
plan
was
the
development
of
a
new
zoning
code
for
the
downtown
area.
The
form
base
coat
and
the
form
based
code,
however,
was
not
adopted.
The
form
based
code
was
really
articulated
and
really
defined.
All
these
development
regulations
that
came
out
through
the
plan
and
the
intent
was
that
was
to
replace
the
existing
zoning
regulations
downtown.
Now.
The
four
base
code
is
a
little
bit
different
than
your
traditional
zoning
ordinance
that
it
looks
into
separating
uses
between
different
districts.
C
The
form
based
code
is
about
defining
physical
form
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
spaces
that
those
buildings
define.
However,
as
I
mentioned,
that
that
was
not
adopted,
so
we
do
have
is
the
downtown
plan
that
we
use
as
a
guideline
on
a
daily
basis,
especially
as
we
consider
these
planned
developments.
C
So
this
is
the
boundary
of
the
downtown
plan,
and
then
the
areas
in
black
are
what
today
is
identified
as
properties
with
potential
for
development
they're,
either
underutilized
or
we've
heard
from
developers.
We've
expressed
interest
in
developing
some
of
these
properties.
The
properties
that
are
in
highlighted
in
darker
color
are
those
that
have
been
approved
or
there's
a
development
in
the
in
the
pipeline,
so
1815
Ridge,
1570
on
maple
chicago
in
davis,
1515
chicago
lighthouse,
so
those
are
the
varieties
that
have
been
approved
or
in
the
pipeline
right
now.
C
The
other
ones
obviously
are
not,
and
it
wasn't
what's
interesting-
is
that
we've
identified
some
of
these
potential
development
sites
just
outside
north
of
the
current
downtown
boundary.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
four
base
code
was
not
adopted.
So
what
we
have
is
the
current
zoning
ordinance
and
as
you're
probably
familiar,
the
zoning
ordinance
has
for
downtown
districts
that
that
define
the
height
for
the
downtown
developments
anywhere
between
40
to
feed
on
the
fringes
in
the
d1
district
2,
all
the
way
up
to
220
feet
in
height
for
the
downtown
core,
with
side
development
allowances.
C
So
when
we
looked
at
the
what
we
had
in
the
downtown
plan,
but
these
different
sub
areas-
and
then
we
looked
at
the
potential
for
the
development-
that's
just
outside
of
the
downtown
area.
It
just
became
clear
and
evident
that
there's
a
need
for
one
of
these
sub
areas
to
stretch
across
emerson
street
or
that
there
may
be
a
need
for
a
new
sub
area
that
would
encompass
these
areas
that
are
prone
to
potential
future
development.
C
Now,
to
going
back
into
you
know
we
what
we
looked
at
is
with
you
know,
various
aspects.
What
would
have
any
effect
on
the
development
of
these
areas
and
obviously,
whatever
Northwestern
does,
as
you
know,
large
impact
on
on
development
framework
in
this
area.
So
we
looked
at
the
the
northwestern
university's
housing
master
plan.
C
This
was
starting
in
fall
of
2013
and
it's
sort
of
a
response
to
their
requirement
that
starting
in
fall
of
2017,
all
freshmen
and
sophomores
will
be
required
to
live
on
campus,
but
based
on
our
analysis,
what
it
really
told
us
is
that
off-campus
student
housing
will
remain
unchanged.
That
demand
for
off-campus
housing
will
remain
the
same.
They
do
plan
on
having
five
new
residence
halls.
C
That's
the
number
that
we
received
since
the
Nano
was
finalized.
The
numbers
in
the
memo
that
you
have
is
a
little
bit
different.
We
anticipate
a
little
bit
more
than
than
what
it
seems
to
be.
So
the
bottom
line
is
that,
in
terms
of
all
of
their
efforts
on
campus
housing,
that's
going
to
stay
relatively
flat
and
then
demand
for
off-campus
housing
should
be
the
same.
C
Then
we
looked
at
the
transit
ridership
data
and
transit
ridership
is
growing
in
the
last
10
years.
The
ridership
on
the
on
the
purple
line
has
gone
up
by
nine
point:
five
percent,
the
ridership
on
the
metro
line,
has
also
increased
and
the
the
boardings
at
the
Davis,
Street
Station
went
up.
Eleven
point.
Six
percent
now
what's
interesting
to
see
here
is
that
the
ridership
on
the
foster
street
station
is
actually
higher
than
that
add
noise
can.
D
C
This
point
we
haven't
started
a
full
conversation
with
their
housing
office.
We've
been
really
having
a
hard
time
can
be
identifying
exactly
how
many
students
that
have
on
Evanston
campus,
because
they
is
always
a
number
in
terms
of
total
enrollment
Evans
than
downtown.
So
at
this
point
to
this
date,
you
know
we've
been
able
only
to
identify
how
many
of
them
will
have
to
be
on
campus.
We
haven't
had
a
full
conversation
with
them
in
terms
of
where
really
do
they
want
to
be
downtown.
Evanston
were
close
proximity
to
that.
If.
B
C
C
Now
this
translates
into
the
census
data
which
we've
looked
at.
We've
looked
at
a
couple
of
items
here
that
what
really
matters
Westman
when
we
see
development
proposals
in
terms
of
reduced
parking
counts,
you
know
the
type
of
development
you
know
apartments
versus
condos
and
we
looked
at
the
two
transit
or
census
tracts
80
93,
which
represents
the
area
for
the
north,
downtown
just
west
of
Sherman
and
then
also
809,
for
which
is
basically
the
core
of
the
downtown
area.
C
And
then
we
kind
of
compare
that
to
the
rest
of
the
city
of
Evanston,
and
what
we've
really
seen
is
that
this
is
a
different
demographic
that
lives
in
this
area.
It's
very
similar
to
that
of
downtown,
and
there
are
fewer
cars
owned
by
these
households
and
in
fact
these
are
primarily
renters,
more
so
than
the
homeowners.
C
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
you
know,
the
the
type
of
household
in
this
area
is
more
of
an
odd
family,
traditional
type
households,
primarily
roommates
or
whatnot-
we've
seen
the
housing
occupancy,
as
I
mentioned,
primarily
renter
occupied,
which
is
even
more
so
than
in
the
downtown
area
73
just
over.
Seventy
three
percent,
whereas
in
the
downtown
it's
about
63.2
and
then
the
vehicle
ownership.
This
is
a
big
one
that
we
always
keep
in
mind.
As
we
see
these
developments
come
in
and
they
request,
you
know,
reduction
in
parking
requirements.
C
You
know
there's
almost
a
third
of
households
in
the
area
north
of
downtown
that
do
not
have
a
vehicle.
Now,
that's
not
to
say
that
some
of
the
other
households
that
have
you
know
three
tenants
that
every
single
one
that
has
a
car.
But,
ultimately
you
know
these
numbers
are
what
they
are,
and
this
is
census
data.
C
So
all
these
things
are
taken
into
effect
when
we
look
at
the
developments
so
just
to
wrap
it
up,
based
on
our
analysis
so
far,
our
recommendation
is
that
the
downtown
plan
be
amended
to
add
one
additional
sub
area,
north
of
emerson's
fees
for
the
north
downtown
area.
The
planning
process
could
include
to
community
meetings.
We
can
have
one
informational
meeting
where
we
gather
additional
information
from
community
members.
C
We
would
provide
additional
information
to
them
based
on
some
more
research
and
then
the
second
meeting
could
be
a
sort
of
a
community
workshop
or
a
shred
style
where
we
would
really
dive
into
the
actual
development
framework
and
seek
input
from
the
residents
in
terms
of
the
context
and
the
scale
of
developments
that
they
may
want
to
see
north
of
emerson
street,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
combine
findings
from
those
two
meetings.
With
some
additional
analysis
of
the
potential
development
sites.
We
can
do
a
market
analysis
study.
C
We
can
identify
funding
options
if
necessary
in
that
area,
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
the
committee
in
july
this
year
with
some
of
those
some
of
the
additional
findings
that
we
have
and
then
you
know
down
the
road
in
sort
of
a
second
step.
Of
this
whole
update
would
be
to
do
a
more
comprehensive
update
to
the
downtown
plan
that
we
would
look
more
potential
update
to
all
the
other
sub
areas
and
maybe
consolidating
some
of
them
instead
of
13
to
maybe
consolidates
on
it
into
a
lesser
number.
A
B
You
alderman
Holmes
Thank
You
damier.
Thank
you
again
to
set
for
putting
that
together,
I
guess
I.
Just
we
will
continue
in
in
my
observation
to
receive
development
proposals
for
this
area,
regardless
of,
if
we
decide,
if
all
of
you
decide
that
a
plan
is,
is
something
that
is
necessary.
I
do
believe
that
this
would
give
the
community
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
developers
in
a
more
formal
way
and
provide
a
development
framework
for
any
proposals
that
we
do
have
coming
in.
B
Of
course,
regardless
of
how
you
choose
to
proceed,
we
will
continue
to
analyze
those
as
they
as
they
come
in
and
provide
recommendations,
but
to
Demeter's
point
we
do
use
the
downtown
plan
the
existing
downtown
plan,
even
though
the
form
based
code
wasn't
the
dot
adopted.
We
do
reference
it
quite
frequently
when
we're
looking
at
development
project,
so
this
would
be
of
assistance,
but
we
look
forward
to
further
discussion.
Thank
you.
Get.
E
Yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
alderman.
Thank
you
I'm
Jim
Ford.
I
live
at
2658
Central
Park
I
am
the
chair
of
the
plan
commission,
though
I'm
tonight,
speaking
as
an
individual
Commissioner,
the
Commission
itself,
not
having
looked
at
this
question.
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
do
this.
It's
not
going
to
be
inexpensive
in
terms
of
staff
time
or
the
public's
time
or
your
time,
but
I
think
it
is
really
important
that
you
address
development
in
this
area.
E
This
is
one
of
those
parts
of
the
city
in
which
what
evanston
is
now
and
what
it
is
going
to
become,
may
differ
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
carefully.
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
to
issues
of
a
potential
boundary.
For
instance.
That
would
be
premature
in
terms
of
the
process
that
staff
has
put
forward.
I
would
only
say
this.
E
I'm
not
sure
that
two
public
meetings
is
sufficient.
It
seems
to
me
that,
beginning
with
a
general,
both
information
gathering
and
goal-setting
meeting
a
charrette
type
workshop
approach
where
you
can
actually
look
at
development
possibilities.
Planning
possibilities
make
sense.
I
would
suggest
that
there
needs
to
be
at
least
a
third
stage
in
that
public
process,
where
the
public
has
a
chance
to
look
at
what
comes
out
of
the
Charette
and
the
staffs
analysis
of
it
before
it
comes
to
us
for
review
and
then
to
view
for
review.
That's
the
only
comment.
E
F
Good
evening,
everyone
Jean
lindwall
I,
began
my
planning
career
40
years
ago,
with
the
city
of
Evanston.
Much
of
my
career
has
been
spent
engaging
community
residents
in
a
wide
variety
of
neighborhood
planning
and
redevelopment
initiatives.
I
have
strong
technical
skills
and
tax
increment
financing
and
fiscal
impact
analysis,
given
the
size
of
Evanston's
total
tax
base,
which
is
2.2
billion
plus
and
the
methods
used
in
Illinois
for
calculating
property
taxes.
The
reality
is
that
no
amount
of
new
development
is
going
to
have
a
noticeable
impact
on
anyone's
property
tax
bill.
F
Thus,
this
discussion
really
needs
to
be
about
quality
of
life
that
sets
the
stage
for
desirable
types
of
new
development
before
engaging
in
a
community
outreach
and
engagement
effort.
I
think
that
there
are
some
basic
issues
that
should
be
considered
and
discussed
by
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
in
the
City
Council,
which
I
presume
you
will
be
doing
this
evening.
I
agree
with
the
need
to
carefully
define
the
future
development
framework
for
this
area.
F
The
issue
at
hand
is,
is
really
establishing
the
appropriate
balance
between
greater
density
and
protection
of
adjacent
existing
psidium
density
neighborhood
before
holding
community
meetings.
I
hope
you
will
consider
several
fundamental
questions.
First,
what
is
your
preferred
land-use
vision
for
this
area?
F
G
G
A
E
A
H
H
D
So,
okay
thanks,
madam
chairman,
first
of
all,
thank
you
to
a
staff
for
preparing
this
information
and
thank
you
to
those
of
you
who
spoke
tonight,
but
also
thank
you
to
the
residents
of
the
area.
More
than
500
of
you
came
out
and
expressed
your
your
concerns
to
me
during
the
831
Emerson
project,
about
a
lack
of
planning
for
this
site
and
the
site
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
basically
Emerson
to
foster
Sherman
to
maple
I.
Think
that's
the
the
area
which
is
probably
under
the
most
direct
impact
of
for
new
development.
D
It's
also
the
transition
area
between
downtown
and
the
residential
area
to
the
north,
and
this
is
as
certainly
alderman
homes
knows
and
I
know.
This
is
a
sensitive
area
that
includes
a
lot
of
affordable
housing,
a
lot
of
renter's
a
lot
of
long
time,
homeowners,
who
have
a
direct,
a
direct
concern
about
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
that
will
directly
affect
their
properties,
so
I
I
think
that
part
of
the
you
know
if
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
problem.
D
But
part
of
the
problem
is
that
we
have
not
kept
in
step
with
planning.
For
this
area
and
I
think
that
is
long
overdue
and
I
very
much
want
the
residents
of
this
area,
as
well
as
all
of
the
residents
of
Evanston,
to
be
aware
that
we
do
have
people
who
come
to
us
on
a
regular
basis.
Asking
for
development
parcels
are
indicating
an
interest
in
development
parcels,
and
we
don't
have
those
parcels.
I
mean
from
the
time
I've
been
running,
I've
been
very
much
interested
in
attracting
a
new
office
building
in
evanston
I.
D
Think
that
really
promotes
the
shopping
that
we
need
to
increase
our
sales
tax
revenue,
it's
something
that
is
lacking
in
the
downtown.
That
said,
though,
there
are
also
existing
spaces
in
the
downtown
existing
areas.
That
will
probably
have
some
turnover
in
the
next
10
to
20
years,
and
we
need
to
be
looking
at
that
as
well.
So
I
think
some
things
have
changed
since
we
did.
The
downtown
plan
of
concern
to
me
is
the
fact
that
we
never
codified
the
plan.
D
While
we
pass
the
downtown
plan,
it's
not
been
codified
in
our
zoning
ordinance
and
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
that.
The
opportunity
for
transit-oriented
development
and
a
tie-in
of
these
transit
stations,
one
to
another
foster
to
davis,
for
example,
is
one
that
we
probably
should
be
should
be
looking
at
in
the
area.
That
is
of
main
concern
to
me,
which
again
is
Emerson
to
foster
Sherman
to
maple
I
was
concerned
at
the
plan
mission
and
I
attended.
D
All
the
meetings
at
plan
commission
on
a
31
Emerson
was
that
there
was
some
confusion
on
the
part
of
plan
commissioners
of
where
the
downtown
actually
ended
and
I
don't
know
whether
I
don't
know
how
that
came
about
why
the
confusion
was
there,
but
I
think
I'm.
Looking
at
this
also
as
a
help
to
our
commissioners
as
well
as
residents
and
as
well
as
the
council
and
staff
of
really
getting
a
handle
on
what
we
want
to
happen
in
this
particular
block.
D
We
we
know,
for
example,
that
there,
from
time
to
time,
has
been
interested
in
development
of
the
angle
hard
halt
site.
We
have
not
been
in
communication
with
Northwestern
University
on
a
on
a
formal
basis
of
what
their
plans
are
for
that
site.
That's
a
very
large
site,
and,
frankly,
if
you
look
at
the
at
the
areas
along,
the
l
stops
in
evanston
that
every
single
L
stop
you've
got
a
little
business
district
that
supports
the
surrounding
community
and
the
the
area
around
foster
was
really
took
a
setback.
D
When
angle
heart
was
developed,
it
removed
all
a
lot
of
the
existing
businesses
on
the
south
side
of
Foster
and
decimated,
basically
that
that
shopping
district
is
that
something,
for
example,
that
we
want
to
encourage
a
return
to
a
more
vibrant
shopping
area
along
there
to
support
the
neighborhood.
That's
something
that
we
should
be
looking
at
in
terms
of
planning
for
this
particular
block.
D
We
always
need
to
do
to
do
play
our
planning
and
concert
with
the
residents,
especially
those
that
are
affected,
but
those
that
will
be
affected
also
just
by
a
change
in
potential
change
in
uses
north
of
north
of
Emerson.
So
all
of
that
said,
I'm
I'm
happy
to
to
look
at
this
go
forward
figure
out
what
it
is
that
we
want
to
do.
What
we
want
to
accomplish
and
I
think
the
comment
that
perhaps
the
existing
zoning
can
accommodate.
Some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
is
probably
a
very
good
one.
D
Although
the
zoning
is
a
little
bit
tricky
between
the
commercial
zoning
and
the
residential
zoning,
a
commercial
zoning
obviously
allows
storefronts
and
residential
does
not.
So
I
think
it's
it's
time
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
about
this
block,
probably
a
time
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
about
in
alderman,
wilson's
ward,
on
the
on
the
south
side
of
downtown
as
well,
but
time
to
for
all
of
us
to
put
our
working
hats
on
and
figure
out
where
we're
going
here
as
a
community
I.
A
Think
we
have
alderman
Wilson
next,
but
just
let
me
say,
following
up
on
something
you
said
element
fest
is
that
I
think
tonight
is
the
first
step
and
us
looking
at
and
having
the
residents
to
be
able
to
say
the
kinds
of
things
that
they
want
to
see.
They
may
want
to
see
the
same
kinds
of
things
that
we
want
to
see.
They
may
not
and
I
think
it's
time
for
that
kind
of
exchange.
A
So
the
area
that
you
pointed
out
between
a
Sherman
on
between
Emerson
and
foster,
which
is
mainly
the
fifth
Ward,
some
of
the
second
that
residents
have
you
know
I
think
they
can
see
that
it's
only
when
it
gets
past
there
and
east
of
maple
that
they
become
concerned
because
it's
residential.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
conversations
that
we
need
to
have
and
I
think
that
we
will
have
the.
D
The
block
that
I've
identified
in
question
is
half
fifth
and
half.
First,
though
it
were
divided
yeah
on
the
other,
see
how
we
r
divided
by
the
by
the
El
Tri
caltex,
but
yeah
most
of
the
residents
the
affected
residents.
A
lot
of
the
affected
residents
are
in
the
fifth
ward
in
the
fireman's
Park
neighborhood
right.
H
Thank
you
and
I
think
well
one
of
these
one
of
the
concerns.
I
guess
I
is
I.
Guess
I,
don't
understand
what
the
problem
is
beyond
just
the
idea
of
there
being
a
lack
of
generally.
With
regard
to
the
planning
we
have.
Zoning
in
place,
I
think
what
we're
really
trying
to
grapple
with
our
broader
concepts,
more
things
like,
for
example,
do
we
want
to
have
private
student
housing
it
that's
sort
of,
like
you
know,
a
yes
or
no
kind
of
issue
at
this
point.
Does
northwestern
want
to
support
that?
H
With
regard
to
the
specific
neighborhood
I'm
more
concerned
to
hear
what
the
neighbors
have
to
say
about
what,
if
anything
is
the
is
the
problem?
My
impression
is
that
as
far
as
rents
are
concerned,
I
think
that
we
are
not
in
a
significantly
escalating
rent
situation.
I
think
rents
are
fairly
stable,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
a
real
serious
problem
with
with
demand.
H
We
also
have
some
properties
coming
online.
We
also
have
some
things
that
are
kind
of
you
know
loosely
moving
around
and
in
more
of
the
core
downtown
area.
So
I'm
just
not
super
clear
on
what
you
know
what
the
problem
is:
I'm
troubled
by
the
idea
of
look
at
ways
for
public
funding,
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
you
know
what
the
genesis
that
is,
I'm
not
interested
in
any
public
funding
at
all,
if,
in
fact,
I
don't
even
want
to
pay
for
the
market
study.
H
If
we're
going
to
pay
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
for
market
studies,
I
can
give
a
really
long
list
of
sidewalks
that
need
to
be
replaced
for
so
I
don't
want
to
put
any
money
into
it.
I
am
interested
to
hear
what
people
in
the
neighborhood
have
to
say,
but
that's
kind
of
as
far
as
I'm.
You
know
willing
to
kind
of
step
out
right
now.
You
know,
what's
that,
you
know
neighborhood
kind
of
feedback
instead
of
doing
larger
design.
Whole
community,
you
know
market
research,
any
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
H
H
You
know,
we've
got
some
good
information
from
Northwestern.
What's
there
we
actually
been
treated
that
are
they
going
to
pass
some
rule
that
says?
Oh,
you
know
freshmen
sophomores
and
juniors
at
the
later
I'm
sure
they
won't,
but
but
just
to
make
sure
that
they're
included
in
those
conversations
from
the
inception.
What
are
their
intentions
with
their
properties
in
in
that
neighborhood
I
think
we
ought
to
be
having
those
conversations,
point-blank
asked
the
question:
you
know
what
are
you
thinking
about
doing
here
and
it's
so
we're
not
guessing.
I
Thank
you,
madam
mirror.
I
actually
do
think.
There
is
a
problem
here,
because
we
can
see
that
this
entire
area
from
you
know
from
east
side
of
maple.
All
the
way
over
to
Sherman
has
at
some
point
been
the
part
of
a
development
discussion,
and
if
you
look
at
the
what
the
zoning
is
there
right
now,
as
alderman
Fisk
said
it's,
it's
really
a
mixture
of
our
6
c1,
you,
you
won
a
e
1
so
that
that
really
put
that
actually
signifies.
I
What's
there
now,
but
not
necessarily
what
we
what
might
be
coming
in
the
future,
so
it
doesn't.
What
what
this
to
me
sets
up
is
one
battle
after
another
over
every
single
parcel
about
whatever
a
developer
decides
to
come
in
and
proposed
because
it
probably
it
may
not
be
one
of
these
zoning
districts,
but
clearly
this
is
a
very
hot
hot
area
for
potential
development.
I
So
at
my
experience
in
the
third
word
along
Chicago
Avenue,
it's
always
the
areas
where
there
is
a
boundary,
a
change
in
the
use
from
particular
one
particular
type
of
use
to
another
that,
where
you
get
the
the
biggest
battles
and
so
I
think
to
the
extent
that
we
can
get
ahead
of
these
battles
and
discuss
what
we
want
to
have
their
rather
than
have
have
to
react
to
what
a
developer
tells
us
that
he
or
she
thinks
should
be.
There
would
be
much
much
better.
You
know
one
it's!
I
I
also
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
get
ahead
of
Northwestern,
because,
let's
let
northwestern
know
what
we'd
like
to
see
there
and
have
them
work
with
us
rather
than
get
into
an
argument
or
a
battle
with
Northwestern,
rather
than
have
thus
tell
us
what
they
want,
because
you
know
I
think
the
community
can
and
with
the
staff
and
with
the
aldermen
can
look
at
this
and
say
you
know.
There's
been
some
changes
since
09.
I
We
now
know
that
transit
oriented
development
is
really
a
real
thing
and
that
people
don't
own
cars
in
the
way
that
they
used
to
and
that
you
know
we
see
differences
in
how
people
live
in
terms
of
you
know,
size
of
units
they
want
and
the
mix
of
things
they
want,
and
the
emphasis
of
these
small
commercial
districts,
our
small
commercial
districts,
are
really
thriving
throughout
Evanston
and
I.
Think
that's
an
example
of
the
fact
that
this
is
what
people
like
they
want
to
have
sort
of
a
walk
to
a
bowl,
a
livable
environment.
I
So
you
know
I,
think
they're
this.
This
is
a
an
area
that
we
need
to
shape,
because
if
we
don't
shape
it,
it's
we're
going
to
end
up
reacting
to
whatever
other
somebody
else
wants
to
come
in
and
tell
us
is
to
do
so.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
either
first
meet
with
the
community
and
hear
what
they
want
to
do
about
this
or
have
the
staff
look
at
what
are
the
other
areas
that,
where
we've?
I
What
have
we
come
up
with
in
other
areas
that
we
really
view
as
transitional,
because
it
is
right
near
single-family
homes
and
we
do
want
to
have
a
step
down.
You
don't
want
to
have
an
abrupt
change
from
one
area
to
the
other
and
and
hear
what
the
community
has
to
say,
but
I
also
really
do
agree
with
ms
Lynn
walled
in
the
sense
that
we
don't
get.
I
J
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
for
staff,
we're
a
developer
to
come
in
tomorrow
morning
and
present
a
proposal
for
development
of
a
lot
in
this
area
that
was
more
or
less
by
right
with
perhaps
a
few
variations.
Are
we
talking
to
those
people
or
are
we
telling
them?
There's
a
moratorium
or
we're
on
hold
or
what.
K
D
Thank
you
for
that
question.
All
during
rainy
think
that's
important.
I
I
agree
with
both
alderman
Wilson
and
alderman
when
I
don't
want
to
spend
public
money
on
doing
a
study
for
this
I
think
that
we
have
the
ability
and
house
to
do
this
and.
D
But
it's
just
it's
as
altered
win
said
it's
really
important
to
do
this
right.
I
mean
this
is
this:
is
we
need
to
get
out
in
front
of
the
development
here
and
say
here's
our
vision
for
this
block?
I
think
that's
that's
what
everybody
has
said:
here's
our
vision
for
this
block.
If
we
go
through
the
process,
then
maybe
we
can
lead
development
along
that
way.
I
want
to
be
also
very
protective
of
the
affordable
housing
that
exists
in
the
fireman's
park,
neighborhood,
that
is
its
entry
housing
for
not
only
students
but
families.
D
There's
a
very
strong
commitment
on
the
part
of
the
families
that
live
there
and
and
planning
is
the
one
thing
that
we
haven't
done
in
the
past,
and
it's
it's
time
to
really
take
a
look
at
this
I
would
be
happy
alderman
homes
if
to
start
this
out
with
a
joint,
first
and
fifth
Ward
meeting.
If
that's
what
folks
want
to
do
or
follow
the
direction
of
staff
of
you
know
public
meetings
here
at
the
Civic
Center,
whatever
whatever
folks
want
to
do
in
terms
of
reaching
out
to
the
community.
K
Sorry,
alderman
Fisk:
are
you
interested
in
reducing
the
size
of
the
proposed
expanded
area
to
the
area
of
fuster,
Emerson
Sherman
to
maple
site
I?
Personally,
am
you
are
young?
What
I
would
be
interested
from
staff
is
the
identifying
every
single
property
in
that
area,
because
I
I
keep
feeling
like
this
is
really
talk.
It
we're
really
talking
about
831
Emerson
and
how
we're
going
to
develop
that
or
how
we're
going
to
allow
for
development
there,
but
otherwise
we're
talking
about
several
things:
saving,
affordable
housing,
there's
a
lot
of
it
in
that
area.
K
A
I
was
going
to
say
that
that's
there,
but
also,
if
you're,
looking
at
all
the
way
to
noise,
which
is
what
I
hope
she
said,
foster
I,
know,
I
know
what
she
said,
but
there
is
a
commercial
strip,
10
noise
that
I
think
has
to
be
considered.
I
think
that
that's
an
important
piece
and
I
how
we
do
that
I,
don't
know
the
other
commercial
pieces
would
be
foster
and
a
little
bit
on
maple
other
than
that
there's
no
other
commercial
there,
except
for.
A
If
you
want
to
call
the
symphony,
you
know
commercial,
that
would
be
the
nursing
home
east
of
there
is
all
residential,
theirs
and
theirs.
I'm
just
kind
of
I
was
trying
to
think
of
a
vacant
vacant
space
I
can't
think
of
one
off
the
top
of
my
head.
The
only
one
is
the
northwestern
parking
lot
that
I
can
think
of
right
now.
The
other
thing
is
the
831
Emerson
I,
don't
think
it'll
be.
D
J
A
Anymore,
you
know
what
I
don't
see
any
other
lights,
any
other
comments.
Anyone
else
want
to
add
anything.
Oh
hello,
I'm,
sorry,
alderman,
Rivera,.
J
Well,
I
would
just
like
to
echo
the
comments
made
by
alderman,
win
and
also
alderman
Fisk.
I
really
do
think
that
it's
important
to
be
intentional
about
what
we'd
like
to
see
in
this
area,
rather
than
react
to
developers
when
they
come
in
with
what
they
want
and
very
important
for
us
to
listen
to
the
neighbors
in
the
area
of
as
part
of
this
whole
process.
So
just
real
briefly
I
would
endorse
the
idea
of
our
moving
ahead
with
a
planning
process
for
this
area.
A
A
A
This
would
be
interested
on
the
north
side
of
noise,
because
I'm
interested
on
the
south
side
of
noise
and
I
do
know
that
there's
some
potential
there
now
for
where
the
north
street
cafe
was
that
there
is
some
interest
there
now
so
I'm
just
saying:
let's
just
keep
it
all
there
and
I
think
that
I
certainly
would
agree
to
having
a
joint
meeting
but
I
hope.
We'd
have
a
public
meeting
here
at
the
Civic
Center,
where
you
know
we
could
get
all
the
input
that
we
can
get
from.
A
B
So
I
was
envisioning,
something
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
I,
don't
I
can't
remember.
If
all
of
you
were
there
and
a
lot
of
you
were
there
in
terms
of
maybe
that
type
of
format
to
encourage
community
participation.
There
would
be
a
brief
presentation
by
staff
very
similar
to
what
we
heard
tonight.
We
would
certainly
augment
it
with
info
that
that
you
have
requested
this
evening,
and
then
we
would
probably
break
into
groups
just
because
it's
typically
a
more
manageable
way
to
receive
information.
B
D
D
H
Thanks
and
if
it
wasn't
clear
from
my
comment
about
the
public
funding,
that's
certainly
part
of
what
I'm
at
it's,
not
my
war
but
feel
warm
I
award
I
think
maybe
what
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
with
is
having
that
the
award
meet
at
the
joint
ward
meeting
fifth
and
first
board
meeting
preceding
the
larger
community
meeting,
just
to
kind
of
get
some
general
guidance
on
one.
What
the
direction
might
look
like.
That's
that's
just
my
thought.
H
A
I
think
it
will
be
the
same.
I
mean
I
thought
we
were
talking
about
the
fifth
and
the
first
and
a
little
bit
of
2nd
Ward
I'm
not
going
to
leave.
The
second
word
out,
there's
a
little
bit
of
that
as
well.
So
and
that's
why
I
suggested
here
at
the
Civic,
Center
and,
of
course,
it'll
be
an
open
meeting.
So
anyone
is
welcome,
but
I
think
that
that
would
be
our
primary
audience
so
that
that
was
my
thinking
on
that.
B
Do
have
enough
to
work
with,
so
we
will
sit
down
this
week
and
we
will
start
to
jot
down
a
project,
scope
and
timeline
working
with
the
certainly
the
impacted
alderman,
the
most
impacted
alderman,
to
try
and
find
some
initial
dates
and
give
us
a
little
bit
of
time
to
do
some
more
research.
So
I
would
hope
that
this
you
know
could
occur
sometime
in
the
first
half
of
may.
Certainly
great.
L
A
Having
a
conversation
with
the
resident
before
the
meeting
started
because
the
the
lines
are
so
interesting
in
terms
of
how
the
wards
are
divided,
that
people
need
to
take
a
look,
go
on,
go
online,
look
at
one
of
the
maps
and
see
where
the
wards
are
so
it's
the
5th,
2nd
and
5th
that
we're
primarily
to
I
mean
5th,
2nd
and
1st
that
we're
talking
about
in
this
area.
That
would
be
really
west
of
Sherman
and
east
of
ridge.
Ok.
A
So
if
you
look
at
it
like
that
and
we're
talking
about
no
noise
to
the
north
and
Emerson
to
the
south,
so
if
you
look
there,
you
can
figure
out
what
what
we're
really
talking
about
and
then
we
can
narrow
it
in
yeah
all
right.
If
there
is
nothing
else,
is
there
a
motion
for
adjournment?