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A
A
A
Councilmember
Harrys,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
The
eyes
have
it.
That
leads
us
to
public
comment.
We
have.
A
We
have
Tina
Peyton
signed
up
for
public
comment.
We
have
two
minutes
hi.
C
Good
evening,
this
agenda
item
tonight
should
not
be
heard.
C
You
need
to
have
Community
meetings
and
they
should
be
hybrid,
so
everyone
can
attend
to
discuss
what
should
happen
in
the
Fifth
Ward
City
staff
and
aldermen
should
not
be
deciding
on
what
to
do
with
the
city
without
questions,
answers
and
comments
with
all
parties
that
includes
us.
The
citizens,
if
you
claim
to
be
fair
and
transparent.
C
C
There's
been
no
discussion
on
the
Town
Homes
at
the
dead
end
of
Wesley
and
Jackson,
which
is
proposed
no
discussion
on
tearing
down
Fleetwood
Jordan
or
any
other
things
that
you're
discussing
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
There
should
be
a
minimum
of
10
meetings
where
City
staff
and
aldermen
can
take
notes.
Answer
questions
from
the
community
I
believe
that
you
need
to
set
up
some
regular
meetings
with
the
staff
at
this
time
and
not
proceed
on
any
discussion.
A
A
Thank
you
has
anyone
else
signed
up
for
our
hybrid
public
meeting.
E
A
E
Good
evening
my
name
is
Gene
lindwall
I.
Think
most
of
you
know
that
I'm,
a
member
of
the
land
use
commission
and
actually,
when
we,
you
know
the
project
moves
forward.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
comprehensive
plan
subcommittee
of
the
land
use
commission,
but
I
want
to
speak.
E
You
know
really
as
a
long
time
resident
and
someone
who
has
spent
you
know
40
plus
years
doing,
land
use
and
comprehensive
planning
and
neighborhood
planning,
and
what
I
really
want
to
do
is
just
really
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
difference
between
the
West
Evanston
plan
and
the
West
Evanston
zoning
overlay
District,
because
they're
really
two
different
things.
A
plan
is
a
policy
guide
and
in
Evanston
we
have
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
the
general
land
use
and
development
Guidance.
E
The
West
Evanston
plan
that
was
adopted
in
2007
can
contains
specific
recommendations
for
new
streets
and
development
types
that
were
in
10
to
reconnect
the
two
sides
of
the
old
Mayfair
line.
Zoning
is
a
tool
for
implementing
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
a
plan.
In
the
case
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
the
rules
were
highly
rigid
and
you
know
per
the
examples
provided
in
the
staff
memo
and,
as
I
mentioned,
a
proven
problematic
is
new
land
use
and
development
proposals
are
brought
forward.
E
I
think
it's
what's
really
crucial.
Here.
Is
it's
important
to
periodically
review
print
plans?
You
know
priorities
may
change,
New
Opportunities
could
arise
and
you
know
if
the
policy
emphasis
changes,
then
the
zoning
that's
in
place
may
not
to
implement.
E
It
called
for
the
construction
of
new
streets,
which
you
know
obviously
you're
dealing
with
a
you
know:
pretty
health,
healthy
lifts
of
Community,
Capital,
Improvement
projects
and
and
and
and
really
Redevelopment
that
was
articulated
in
the
plan,
was
dedicated
to
that.
E
A
We're
going
to
move
forward
with
this
planning
and
development
committee
meeting
with
no
items
for
consideration.
We
just
have
an
item
for
discussion.
We
have
a
motion
on
item
D1.
F
Yeah
so
I
I
I
think
this
is
a
referral,
but,
as
for
this
discussion
to
to
take
place,
we
are
so
charging.
Daryl
is
a
good
example
at
some
point,
assuming
if,
if
the
church
and
Daryl
project
gets
through
the
land
use
Commission,
it
will
come
to
this
body
to
determine
whether
or
not
to
relieve
it
from
all
the
variances
that
it
will
work
to
approve
the
variances.
It
will
request
and
so
ahead
of
that
I
thought
it
made
sense
for
this
body
to
understand
the
West
Everson
overlay.
F
Why
was
it
put
in
place
how
it
impacts
past
developments,
as
well
as
developments
that
are
making
their
way
to
this
body?
To
vote
on
and
and
again
this
isn't,
you
know,
will,
through
the
comp
plan,
we'll
think
through
whether
or
not
I'm
sure
whether
or
not
the
West,
Evanston
overlay
and
other
decisions?
We
may
still
make
sense,
so
this
is
not
an
attempt
to
try
to
remove
or
change
anything.
This
is
not
the
process
of
doing
or
really
the
venue
to
do
it
or
the
time
to
do
it.
F
This
was
more
so
saying
again.
We
have
projects
in
the
pipeline
that
are
going
to
ask
for
variances
because
of
the
overlay
and
I
thought
it
was
important
for
us
not
to
just
learn
about
it
on
the
fly
or
some
future
meeting
when
it's
in
our
packet,
but
to
really
know
in
advance
what
the
overlay
is
and
and
why
developers
are
going
to
be
asking
for
relief
from
it.
F
To
be
honest,
so
if
we,
you
know,
could
do
a
have
a
quick
walkthrough
of
this
I,
don't
know
if,
if
who's
available
to
speak,
but
I
would
like
folks
to
talk
a
bit
about
it
and
to
see
if
we
have
any
I,
have
some
questions
but
see.
If
my
colleagues
have
questions
as
well.
G
Good
evening,
thank
you,
councilmember
Burns
and
Planning
and
Development
Committee
Melissa
clot.
Zoning
administrator
I
have
dealt
with
the
West
Evanston
plan
and
overlay
for
over
10
years.
Here
there
are
some
parts
of
it
that
have
worked
very
well.
There
are
other
parts
of
it
that
have
not
worked
so
well.
G
Some
of
the
projects
that
are
in
the
future
pipeline,
including
the
mount
Pisco
rebuild
and
hodc,
building
slated
for
church
and
Daryl.
Those
have
been
great
examples
of
two
great
projects
that
just
don't
fit
well
within
the
overlay,
and
it
comes
down
to
some
of
the
the
minute
details
that
are
within
the
overlay
District.
So
projects
like
this,
they
tend
to
follow
the
general
intent
of
the
plan
and
the
guidance
of
that.
But
then,
once
you
get
into
those
overlay
details,
that's
where
they
end
up
with
problems,
for
instance
the
Mount
Pisgah
Church.
G
It
is
required
to
have
a
certain
type
of
stoop
entrance
that
stoop
would
not
be
Ada
accessible,
so
that
would
be
a
variation
that
they'll
need
to
request.
So
there's
some
things
like
that,
where
we
really
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
is
aware
that
the
plan
is
is
a
good
plan
that
was
developed
by
the
community.
G
There
are
some
issues
with
it
and
those
issues
really
come
to
Light
Within,
the
overlay
District,
so
whether
we're
looking
at
Mount,
Pisgah
and
hodc,
or
some
other
sites
that
are
also
slated
for
redevelopment,
some
of
those
other
sites
need
new
streets.
Those
streets
would
be
required
to
be
developed
and
built
by
private
developers.
They
would
then
turn
over
to
the
city
for
maintenance
permanently,
so
some
of
those
properties.
While
it's
a
problem
for
developers,
it
also
could
potentially
be
an
issue
in
the
future
for
the
city.
G
F
G
G
What's
allowed
so
density
wise,
it's
it's
pretty
good
height,
wise
I've,
seen
many
problems
arise,
the
overlay
dictates
exact
properties
and
tells
it
tells
you
exactly
what
those
Heights
are
and,
for
instance,
the
very
corner
of
church
in
Darrow
is
limited
to
two
stories
that
might
have
been
appropriate
15
years
ago,
but
looking
how
things
are
redeveloping,
that's
a
prime
corner
and
and
the
plan
does
call
for
it
to
be
an
iconic
building
that
a
building
that
will
draw
everyone's
attention.
Everyone
will
be
looking
at
that
building,
but
then
limiting
it
at
two
stories.
G
So,
for
instance,
Mount
Pisgah
has
this
this
great
idea
for
a
a
partially
enclosed
rooftop
area
so
that
they
can
have
some
some
Community
things
that
are
somewhat
Outdoors,
that's
not
allowed
by
the
overlay,
because
it's
over
the
two
stories.
So
that's
a
variation
that
they'll
need
to
request,
given
that
location
that
might
be
appropriate
for
that
height
and
and
doing
that
there,
but
again
it's
it's
the
overlay
that
won't
allow
it.
H
Yes,
thank
you
so
I
remember
voting
on
The
overlay
and
the
West
Evanston
plan
as
well
and
I.
Remember
how
exciting
it
was
at
the
time
the
level
of
detail
but
you're
I
think
Miss
lindwall
was
right,
I
mean
it
was
before
the
Great.
Recession
and
housing
has
changed
dramatically
in
Evanston,
Housing
and
Development
has
changed
dramatically.
So
what
should
we
declare
the
Overlook
or
the
overlay,
void
and
start
again?
What
what
is
the
recommendation.
G
Overall
staff
is
not
recommending
anything
largely
it's
it's
just
that
we
want
everyone
to
be
aware
that
we're
in
this
situation,
where
we
have
some
zoning
regulations
that
are
outdated
and
may
not
be
working
well
for
the
community,
a
plan
that
largely
does
work
well
for
the
community,
but
maybe
not
every
aspect
of
it.
G
H
A
Okay,
council
member
helicaras,
followed
by
councilman
raval
the
nisma.
B
Would
you
say,
it'd
be
doable
for
staff
to
put
together
like
a
like
a
list
of
problematic
portions
of
the
overlay
so
that
we
could
have
and
correspond
those
two
possible
variances
so
like
when
projects
do
come,
come
through?
We
don't.
We
can
easily
flag
it,
as
this
is
like
something
we've
kind
of
forecasted.
As
you
know,
something
we'd
have
to
change
in
the
future.
Definitely.
G
We
could
put
together
a
kind
of
generic
list
of
that,
but
then
the
the
real
kind
of
meat
of
it
would
be
any
projects
that
do
proceed
onto
city
council
for
approval
that
have
that
laundry
list
of
variations
staff
gets
very
specific
explaining
why
those
variations
are
requested
and
within
that
staff
report
it
would
end
up
saying
that
some
of
these
regulations
are
not
appropriate
and
shouldn't
be
there
to
begin
with.
I
So
some
of
these
items
that
you've
mentioned
just
seem
so
detailed
and
minute
and
and
not
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
anticipate
will
be
talking
about
in
the
comprehensive
General
plan,
which
is
is
a
much
more.
You
know,
has
much
more
sweeping
kinds
of
statements
and,
and
so
at
some
point
we
are
going
to
want
to
try
to
amend,
amend
this
overlay.
District.
G
Correct
the
the
com,
the
new
comprehensive
plan
should
be
the
guiding
document
document
that
determines
what
happens
with
all
of
the
current
neighborhood
and
Community
plans
that
we
have
the
West
Evanston
plan
being
one
of
those.
So
the
new
comp
plan
will
then
dictate
what
should
come
next.
Should
it
be
that
all
of
the
neighborhood
plans
are
all
amended
or
should
only
a
few
of
them
be
amended
and
then,
after
those
plans,
any
corresponding
overlays.
G
Those
then
need
to
follow
the
updated
or
amended
plans.
So
that's
why
it's
it's
a
multi-year-out
process,
as
it
specifically
relates
to
the
overlay
and
it
would
be
a
it
would
be
very
in-depth
to
adjust
anything
within
it
now
and
we
really
need
to
do
a
lot
more
Community
engagement
with
the
comprehensive
plan
in
order
to
get
to
that
point.
So
at
this
point
really
it's
just
a
heads
up
that
we
know
it's
not
exactly
what
the
community
needs.
I
I
J
J
Now
we're
going
to
wait
until
the
comprehensive
plan
is
done,
which
is
a
couple
years
out
realistically,
and
only
at
that
point
will
we
then
potentially
address
the
the
neighborhood
plan
here
in
the
in
the
meantime,
heads
up
to
expect
if
development's
coming
to
us
with
a
laundry
list
of
of
variances,
that
we
would
expect
to
not
be
there
once
the
plan
is
revised
correct,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
strike
the
plan
and
cancel
the
plan
right
now,
because
we
still
need
some
guidelines
to
be
in
place.
G
I'm
kind
of
plan
regulation
to
be
in
place.
There
are
a
lot
of
good
things
about
the
current
plan
and
regulation,
so
we
don't
want
to
just
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater
and
probably
most
importantly,
as
we
need
to
hear
from
the
community
before
we
would
know
how
to
change
it
in
any
way.
If
we
want
to
okay.
A
Thank
you
all
right
well,
seeing
that
there
is
no
more
discussion
on
this
issue.
Thank
you,
council
member
Burns,.
G
So
many
different
regulations
there
are
sub
areas
and
then,
even
within
the
sub
areas,
specific
properties
are
called
out
for
exact,
specific
things
it
gets.
It
gets
detailed
down
to
within
inches
of
where
you
must
put
very
specific
buildings
and
what
they
must
look
like
in
streets
and
all
of
that,
but
it's
it's
all
very
different,
which
also
leads
to
it
is
very
difficult
for
staff.
F
I
think
to
council
member
Hedy
Cottage
Point
if
we
can,
at
least
on
Church
Enduro,
provide
the
council
with
the
with
the
current
requirements
and
not
necessarily
you
know,
land
use
commission
still
has
to
do
their
review,
but
just
the
requirements
on
that
in
that
zone
or
in
that
area.
F
G
A
Okay,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
I'm,
sorry
I
think
we
did
approve
the
minutes.
I
think
councilmember
when
made
the
most
yeah.
Okay,
we'll
sing
no
further
business
before
so.
Are
there
any
items
for
communication,
seeing
no
items
for
communication,
the
planning
and.