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A
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
coming
tonight
is
this.
Is
the
Monday
November
27th
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee?
We
have
a
quorum,
and
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
November
13th,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
okay.
So
next
we
have
item
P
3,
which
is
ordinance
148,
Oh,
17,
amending
sections
of
title
6
to
add
a
special
educational
institution
public
as
a
special
use,
I
mean
losing
something.
Oh
excuse
me.
A
B
C
C
A
D
E
And
they
have,
they
have
legislated
against
Airbnb
ease
being
allowed
in
investor
properties
where
the
owner
does
not
reside
and
whether
or
not
they
are
multifamily
or
not.
I've
done
a
lot
of
reading
since
our
last
meeting,
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
at
our
next
Rules
Committee
meeting
that
we
we
probably
since
we
haven't,
we
haven't
really
gotten
into
this
there.
There
are
numerous
journal
articles
on
both
sides
of
this
issue.
Of
course,
the
the
landlord
side
of
the
issue
is
that
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
restricting
or
inhibiting
affordable
housing.
E
That
way
that
way
they
they
could
not
take
it
off
the
market
for
a
full
year,
so
I
mean
we
could
think
about
it.
That
way,
but
I'm
thinking
that
we
might,
we
might
want
to
do
at
some
point
a
moratorium
on
multifamily
investor
owned
property
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
some
reasonable
legislation
to
figure
out
what
to
do
about
it
permanently
because
we're
in
the
infancy
of
this
I
mean
we've
got
three
or
four
license.
We
know
there's
a
lot
of
them
in
Evanston.
We
just
don't
have
them
licensed
yet
I
and.
A
D
Gonna.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
25
years
ago,
when
we
started
working
on
the
zoning
ordinance
and
was
the
first
time
we
started
talking
about
bees
and
bees,
bees
and
bees
were
to
be
owner-occupied.
You
could
rent
out
a
room,
you
could
you
know
mom
and
pop.
That
was
the
intention.
It
was
the
first
that
we
ever
dealt
with
even
the
concept
of
bees
and
bees
and
now
with
Airbnb
they're
very
popular
when
we
talked
about
the
Garnett
place
property
previously.
D
My
understanding
is
that
it
was
that
the
property
owner
was
looking
at
renting
out
for
the
summer
when
the
students
were
gone
and
he
had
a
vacant
house
and
he
was
trying
to
fill
up
his
rooms
while
the
students
were
gone.
I.
The
specific
question
about
how
he,
how
he
structured
his
leases,
whether
they
were
by
the
year
or
whatever,
but
I,
am
convinced
that,
if
we're
going
to
go
the
Airbnb
way
that
it
needs
to
be
owner-occupied
I'm
interested
in
reading
both
sides
of
the
issue
and
would
look
forward
to
that.
D
I
agree
about
the
moratorium.
I
agree
that
this
is
going
into
an
area
that
we
is
sort
of
a
couple
steps
ahead
of
us
and
we
need
to
take
some
time
to
think
about
it,
because
I
think
it
can
have
a
destabilizing
effect,
especially
in
certain
certain
areas
in
the
city,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
properties
that
that
are
rented
and
would
be
attractive,
Airbnb
candidates,
so
I'm
I'm
with
you
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
up.
Alden.
A
B
Sometimes
that's
how
I
feel
okay,
so
the
other
one
on
Garnett.
Clearly
it's
to
fill
up
the
summer
gap
from
the
materials
I
wasn't
totally
sure
to
me.
It
looked
like
this
is
gonna,
be
the
plan
for
year-round.
Is
that
correct,
I?
Don't
know
if
the
applicants
he
or
not?
Is
it
that's
the
plan
to
do
it?
Year-Round,
okay,.
F
H
B
I
I
was
the
Northwestern
alum
just
aware
of
a
lot
of
the
activities,
and
not
only
the
sports,
but
there's
like
musical
and
there's
professors
in
town
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
need
for
it.
So
I
was
kind
of
focusing
a
lot
on
the
school
and
just
kind
of
supplying
a
lot
of
basically
a
need
for
housing
like
short-term
housing,
for
people
that
are
coming
to
visit.
So
you're.
C
I
B
So
you're
just
kind
of
looking
for
options:
yeah!
Okay,
thank
you.
Iii!
Think
that
you,
thank
you.
Your
points,
well-taken.
The
licenses
are
good
for
one
year
right:
okay,
I.
We
may
well
need
rules,
but
we
don't
have
the
rules.
Yes,
like
I
have
a
hard
time
justifying
saying
no
to
an
applicant
who
complies
with
what
we
have.
Oh
I.
B
A
G
A
B
A
E
In
and
just
exactly
what
you've
said,
ghost
about
the
requiring
the
students
to
live
on
campus
goes
to
the
vacancies
coming
right
forward.
That
could
very
well
be
rented
to
families,
as
opposed
to
Airbnb,
but
I'm
curious
to
know
from
this
gentleman
here
the
latest
applicant,
how
long
you've
owned
that
property
didn't
have
years.
Have
you
been
renting
it
out?
In
the
meantime,
yeah.
I
I
E
I
E
You
thank
you,
I,
don't
know
if
you
recall
alderman
Simmons,
talking
about
something
that
she's
discovered
in
her
ward
and
that
is
people
buying
up
homes
for
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
you,
but
it
just
reminded
me
buying
up
homes
for
unbelievably
wholesale
prices
and
renovating
them
for
purposes.
She
wasn't
aware
of
at
the
time
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we're
heading
into
that
reason
for
air
B&B,
x'
and
things
like
that.
Yes,.
A
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
when
one
other
caution-
and
this
is
why
part
of
the
reason
why
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
this
going
forward-
is
that
as
the
students
and
the
sophomores
move
on
to
campus
next
year,
that
neighborhood
is
going
to
change
a
lot.
The
neighborhood
right,
West,
End
I,
am
I'm
concerned
that
we
put
protections
in
place
that
prevent
those
houses
from
being
rented
out
on
Airbnb
as
party
venues,
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
get
the
neighborhood
there
it.
D
A
A
Is
and
then
at
the
Rules
Committee
we
would
need
to
talk
with
the
legal
department
about
a
moratorium
and
the
effects
of
that
and
the
best
way
if
we
wanted
to
do
that,
what
would
be
the
best
way
to
structure
that?
Usually
it
the
best
way
to
do
that
has
been
to
have
it
time
limited
right,
okay,
so
man
are
we
very
to
vote
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
p1,
please
say
aye
all
right.
Any
opposed
all
right.
P1
passes
it'll
go
on
to
the
council.
Next
is
p2.
A
F
F
F
We
phoned
the
fifth
Ward,
which
is
the
predominant
area
west,
as
everybody
knows,
of
the
University
Robin
Williams
asked
for
that
hold
over,
principally
to
give
her
time
to
consult
with
her
constituents
for
the
record.
It's
my
understanding.
If
anybody
knows
otherwise
I'd
really
like
to
know
she,
she
thought
there
was
more
than
one
person
in
the
area
that
objected
and
then
she
later
I'd
understood
it
was
confirmed.
F
There
was
only
one,
a
neighbor
across
the
street
and
she
consulted
with
the
neighbor
I
made
myself
available
to
talk
to
the
neighbor,
Carol
well,
I've
known
for
know,
there's
like
over
20
years
now,
and
so
I
get
this
message.
They
20th
this
Thursday
morning
from
robbing
our
alderman
st..
Yes,
I
spoke
with
Carolyn
the
name
of
the
neighbor
I'm,
going
to
support
this
vacation
row.
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
Happy
Thanksgiving,
so
our
alderman
has
represented
us
and
has
been
you
know,
kind
of
mediating.
F
F
We
city
staff
Natalie,
recommends
approval,
but
they
go
on
to
say
that
the
case
rental
meets
all
of
the
standards
and
procedures
for
licensing
approval
all
right.
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
if
it
was
a
single
family
or
perhaps
a
small
multi-family,
that's
owner
occupied
its
approved,
but
the
concerns
centers
on
that
I
don't
live
there
so
implied
in
that
is
it's
not
on
not
owner
occupied.
So
let's
take
a
look
at
that
with
reasonable
minds.
F
Briefly,
I
would
ask
right
now:
in
the
city
there
are
multiple
multi-unit,
effective,
multi-unit
buildings
that
are
in
fact
have
been
operating
for
years
now.
There's
big
boxes
like
e
to
and
off
the
northeast
corner
of,
the
real,
probably
just
called
the
old
research
park,
have
a
nice
set
on
the
plan.
Commission
that
project
came
through
the
pipeline.
There
were
concerns.
Similar
I
mean
this.
This
problem
in
the
city
of
you
know:
how
can
we
create
business
environment
conducive
to
the
formation
Pres
innovation
of
affordable
housing?
Is
it
tough
not
rarely?
F
In
my
years
of
listening
and
attending
the
meetings
do
I
hear
leaders,
elected
officials
talk
about
some
of
the
core
problems
root
causes
of
that,
much
of
which
stem
from
you
know
their
very
high
property
taxes
and
the
operating
expenses
for
all
property
owners
to
include
water
and
sewer
rates
which
economics
101
owe
these
costs
tend
to
get
passed
on
to
to
the
renters
and
I've,
certainly
wouldn't
presume
to
lecture
the
City
Council
about
anything
along
these
lines.
But
I
think
this
is
a
complex
issue.
Evanston
is
behind
the
times.
F
It's
what
we've
seen
and
it's
happened
very
rapidly
like
in
the
last
five
to
ten
years,
especially
if
you
put
it
on
the
growth
Tour
classic
hockey
stick
shape.
There's
there's
been
a
fundamental
restructuring
in
an
important
area
in
the
housing
residential
market.
That
kind
of
blurs
the
lines
between
traditional
vacation
or
short-term
housing,
whether
you
call
it
a
hotel,
motel
bed-and-breakfast,
and
you
know
traditional
long-term
housing,
whether
it's
one
month,
month-to-month
leases,
which
is
typical
of
the
summer
market
in
the
for
the
university.
So
what
I
would
respectfully
request?
F
F
A
F
F
A
Iii
already
own
one
Evanston
Polly,
yes,
yeah.
F
A
B
D
F
You
asked
me
a
question
what
my
plans
were
for
it
and
I
might.
If
you
look
at
the
record,
what
I
said
is
what
we're
seeking
is
to
have
the
option
just
as
this
gentleman
just
said
as
market
conditions,
you
know
develop
to
give
us
the
option
to
respond
to
the
market
conditions.
You
know
we're
all
getting
buffeted
by
this
page
or
changing
the
supply
of
housing
or
I'm.
F
A
A
F
We
have
leases
that
run
through
August
on
three
of
the
four
apartments
and
we
only
have
one
ways
that
ends
in
two
of
the
tenants
and
in
mid-march
the
other
to
end
at
the
end
of
June.
What
our
experience
has
been,
even
if
they
have
a
lease
that
runs
through
August.
Many
of
these
kids
just
blow
off
their
lease
and
they
leave
right.
Thank.
E
A
I
B
A
B
J
Do
I
do
so,
so
thank
you
all
banned
when
members
of
the
committee,
a
peter
breakthrough,
album
the
second
Ward
at
our
last
meeting.
I
actually
made
the
referral
to
this
committee,
so
I
was
glad
to
see
it
was
up
for
introduction,
but
I
do
want
to
say
in
behalf
of
the
residents
and
I'm
going
to
invite
we
have
the
owner
and
applicant
or
the
property
mr.
recycler
here,
if
you
want
to
stand,
we
have
superintendent
Eric
Witherspoon
along
with
Barry
their
CFO.
We
have
two
school
board:
members,
Gretchen
Livingston
health,
so
Monique
Parsons.
J
So
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
that
are
here
in
support
of
this
application
and
I'm
also
been
asked
at
our
December
meeting.
Maybe
to
have
you
a
couple
members
of
your
staff
present
just
so
we
can
share
it
in
our
in
our
board
meeting,
so
it
is
for
introduction.
So
I
want
to
take
up
a
lot
of
time,
but
I
think
there's
some
important
points
that
need
to
be
made
this
evening.
Just
based
on
previous
conversations,
and
we
again
we
have
the
applicant
and
members
of
the
school
board
here.
There
will
provide
that
information.
J
The
the
key
things
that
I
would
like
to
pinpoint
of
the
fact
that
the
difference
between
this
property
versus
the
the
other
property
that
I'm
not
going
to
mention
right
now
is
when
you
look
at
the
occupancy
rate.
It's
it's
a
very
nice
mix
between
industrial.
What,
interestingly
enough,
that
only
makes
up
40%
the
other
41%
is,
is
and
I'm
going
to
name
the
places
Erie
Family
Center.
J
We
have
another
printing
company,
there's
Rimland
services
that
provides
students,
services
to
autistic
adults,
there's
also
goldfish,
which
is
swim
school
for
babies
and
toddlers
have
dreams
that
provides
adult
excuse-me
autistic
services
for
youth
and
then
there's
also
a
child
daycare.
I
want
to
keep
in
mind
that
two
important
distinctions
again.
There
is
a
contract
in
place
and
language
that
the
high
school
will
pay
taxes.
So
this
is
not
going
to
take
the
property
off
the
tax
roll
or
that
parcel.
J
We'll
also
see
a
tax
savings
to
taxpayers
just
space
on
a
reduction
of
the
cost
to
bust
these
kids
out
of
out
of
the
district,
and
what
I
think
is
is
amazing,
is
that
you
know
these
are
all
Evanston
students
that
are
here
in
our
community
and
the
thought
of
them.
Staying
here
in
our
community
to
be
educated
in
such
close
proximity
to
the
high
school
is
a
reason
that
we
should
all
get
behind
this.
J
There
is
a
time
crunch
and
the
staff
is
is
present
to
discuss
that
and
at
the
end
of
their
presentation,
there
will
be
and
asked
to
accept
the
special
use
applications
so
that
staff
can
provide
them
feedback.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
Marian
dr.
Witherspoon,
maybe
they'll,
please
come
forward
and
share
some
quick
facts
and
then
from
there.
If
you
have
anyone
else
along
with
3-bike
there,
that
would
like
to
present
to
the
committee
just
do
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
J
K
You
we're
happy
to
be
here
tonight
so
that
we
can
tell
you
about
a
project
that
we're
excited
about.
I
do
have
a
fact
sheet,
with
about
12
points
for
all
of
you
that
I'd
love
to
leave
with
you,
the
owner,
has
also
prepared
some
information
about
the
other
uses
of
the
property.
So
we
have
that,
for
you
as
well.
What's
important,
I
think
is
that
this
project
is
really
about
our
students,
who
are
spending
up
to
60
minutes
each
way
per
day,
bus
in
a
van
or
in
a
taxi
to
go
to
a
school.
K
That's
outside
of
our
area
for
services
in
the
special
education
area
we
had
been.
You
know
looking
at
doing
something
to
try
to
allow
those
students
to
stay
in
the
community
and
we
found
a
location.
That's
three
blocks
from
the
school.
It's
on
Hartree,
Avenue,
one
side
of
the
street
is
industrial.
The
other
side
is
residential.
So
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
we
have
students
who
live
on
that
residential
side
of
the
neighborhood,
so
we
have
kids
coming
to
our
campus
from
that
area.
K
Every
day
you
know
say
between
Hartree,
pitner,
Dempster
and
main,
so
this
is
not
a
highly
traveled
industrial
area
per
se.
Like
I
said,
our
tree
is
industrial
on
one
side
residential
on
the
other.
This
particular
location
would
start
out
serving
about
20
students.
It
would
never
grow
past
40.
Not
every
student
would
be
a
candidate
to
be
served
in
this
location,
but
those
who
would
be
would
be
successfully
served
by
certified
teachers.
We
expect
that
it
would
create
between
12
to
18
jobs
in
that
location,
certified
teachers,
paraprofessionals
clerical
staff
and
safety
staff.
K
So
this
would
allow
our
students,
who
are
currently
being
served
outside
of
the
community
to
integrate
back
into
whether
it's
an
after-school
program
a
before
school
program,
a
sport
and
activity.
They
would
also
allow
students
to
more
easily
take
a
class
or
two
as
they
try
to
transition
back
into
the
main
campus.
Some
will
come
as
much
as
half
a
day
and
then
transition
back
into
the
campus
full
day.
K
We
did
look
at
a
couple
other
sites
too
big
too.
You
know
there
were
various
things.
I
just
want
you
all
to
know
that
we
just
didn't
this
wasn't
just
a
site
that
we
picked
to
be
difficult.
As
alderman
Braithwaite
said,
there
would
be
no
effect
on
property
taxes,
we're
proposing
a
we
have
a
ten
year
lease
in
place.
This
is
not
a
map
amendment
which
would
then
leave
the
property
rezone.
Should
we
leave
it?
K
This
is
a
text
amendment,
in
fact,
in
the
lease
it's
written
in
that
we
our
share
of
the
escalator
of
the
property
taxes
within
the
building,
so
we
do
have
as
alderman
Braithwaite
mentioned
our
superintendent
members
from
our
legal
counsel,
our
architectural
firm.
We
have
our
director
of
special
education.
We
have
our
associate
principal
of
school
operations
and
logistics.
We
have
our
director
of
Capital
Improvement
board
members
as
all
the
room
briefly
mentioned,
so
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
concerns
and
I'm
not
sure,
what's
appropriate,
to
do
next.
Okay,
that's.
L
Real
quickly
in
hello,
everybody
good
evening,
this
is
really
a
win-win-win
kind
of
opportunity,
for
us
is
certainly
a
win
for
our
children
and
with
special
needs.
Instead
of
having
to
spend
as
much
to
an
hour
each
direction
being
transported
out
of
the
community,
we
can
offer
services
for
them
right
here
in
our
community
and
we'd
open
with
over
20
students.
L
To
be
sure,
it
would
also
be
a
win
for
the
families
to
be
able
to
have
their
children
right
here
in
their
own
community
to
be
able
to
have
their
children
served
by
by
their
people
who
are
invested
in
them
as
residents
of
Evanston.
It
would
be
a
win
for
the
families
and
the
children.
The
fact
that
it
is
located
only
three
blocks
from
the
high
school.
You
know
there
aren't
a
whole
lot
of
other
spaces
in
Evanston.
That
would
accommodate
something
like
that.
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
put
it
downtown.
L
You
know
we're
not
going
to
put
it
in
just
in
the
middle
of
of
many
of
the
neighborhoods
and
Evanston,
but
here
we
have
a
location
that
clearly
has
a
mixed-use
that
is
located
very
close
to
the
high
school
and
those
young
people,
as
Mary
said,
would
be
able
to
actually
take
advantages
of
many
of
the
services
in
their
own
community
at
both
at
the
high
school
after-school
activities
and
the
like
right
now,
it's
it's
very
difficult,
if
not
almost
impossible
for
them
to
do,
and
finally,
it's
going
to
save
taxpayer
money.
Since
dr.
L
walls
came
here,
we've
been
bringing
young
people
back
into
the
high
school
that
we
can
accommodate
and
we
have
saved
over
1
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
money
in
the
last
two
years.
Because
of
that
again,
this
investment
will
be
in
our
own
community
and
it
will
be,
in
the
end,
ultimately
be
less
costly
than
it's
costing
us
today
to
serve
and
transfer
students
out
of
the
out
of
Evanston.
So
we
sure
hope
that
you'll
support
this
and
we're
pretty
excited
to
bring
this
up
to
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
M
M
I
had
not
really
stepped
back
and
looked
at
I
mean
I
knew
all
of
my
tenants,
but
many
of
these
tenants
have
been
with
me
for
more
than
10
years,
but
I
was
surprised
to
see
the
mix
between
what
I
would
call
light,
industrial
or
assembly
and
other
alternative
uses
and
again
to
be
brief.
I
I've
been
involved
with
the
property
for
over
30
years.
Interestingly,
it's
always
been
like
this.
It
never
has
really
it's
not
like.
It's
suddenly
went
from
industrial
or
even
has
evolved,
even
for
the
last
25
or
30
years.
M
It's
been
primarily
a
very
mixed-use
eclectic
group
of
tenants.
I
found
it
interesting
to
see
that
the
proportion
of
actual
employees
in
in
the
different
types
of
uses
again
I
had
not
put
this
together
myself
before
I.
Did
it
this
morning
again
briefly:
I,
would
you
know
Mary
and
Eric
have
done
an
excellent
job
of
describing
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
space
and
I
can
so
I
won't
go
over
that
or
reiterate
it,
but
we
do
have
two
other
groups
in
the
building
that
deal
have
autistic
clients.
M
Some
of
you
may
know
that
half
Dreams
was
successful,
placing
a
number
of
its
clients
with
one
of
the
people
in
the
building
who
we
would
call
an
industrial
user,
a
commercial
Baker,
sugar
and
spice,
and
they
were
successful
in
transitioning
those
students
from
have
dreams
on
a
full-time
basis
to
working
for
sugar
and
spice
and
now
actually
out
into
the
the
world.
You
know
the
real,
the
real
world
and
working
as
public
as
employees
of
public
companies,
a
couple
of
them
work
for
Amazon
as
I
understand
it.
So
I
it's
a
very
to
me.
M
However,
we
got
here,
I
mean
it
seems.
The
time
has
gone
by
more
quickly
than
it
should,
but
we
have
the
zoning
amendment
process
tonight
and
then
obviously,
City
Council
has
to
approve,
if
an
amendments
to
be
made,
but
then
we
have-
and
we
have
a
special
use
process
which
involves
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
and
it's
required
public
notice.
M
Then
we
have
normal
permitting
and
the
actual
build
out
and
something
Mary
and
I've
talked
briefly
about,
and
and
certainly
her
staff
and
the
other
people
from
the
high
school
know
more
about
the
ramping
up
process
or
the
integration
of
the
actual
students
and
their
parents
into
the
space
is
not
something
like
you
can
say.
By
the
way.
You
know
we're
gonna
unlock
the
door
on
September
1st,
please
be
there
as
I
understand
it,
there's
much
more
of
a
cooperative
supportive
process
in
doing
this.
M
M
This
would
significantly
shorten
going
purely
sequentially
and
I
say
as
I
thought
about
it
this
afternoon
you
know
I
thought
this
is
a
fairly
straightforward
request
and
it
really
it
really
if
ultimately,
approval
rests
with
the
council
anyway.
Ultimately,
everyone
on
the
council,
this
committee
and
the
council
will
have
their
right
to
listen
and
decide
what
they
want
to
the
only
people
to
whom
this
time
really
matters
are.
The
students
I
mean
a
year
is
a
year,
but
another
year
of
being
bust.
M
Another
year
of
not
being
potentially
able
to
access
the
high
school
I
would
I
would
genuinely
say
that
it
supports
your
consideration
and
and,
as
I
say,
directing
staff
to
accept
the
application
with
it
clearly
understood
that
it's
subject
to
acceptance
and
approval
by
the
City
Council
of
this
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
Thank.
A
Right:
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
First
I
have
Oldman
rainey,
then
I
have
Aldo
and
Fisk
al
merini.
E
Second
of
all,
this
council
and
the
taxpayers,
the
city
of
Evanston,
spent
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
defending
and
I
district
in
the
city
of
Evanston,
and
our
zoning
ordinance
I
have
some
questions
for
the
district
I'd
like
to
know
what
makes
this
a
special
education.
What
are
we
calling
this?
A
special
education
school
public,
but
what
is
special
about
this
educational
and
use.
K
L
Okay,
maybe
I
didn't
explain
and
it's
part
of
special
education
law,
and
so
it's
students
identified
with
special
education,
needs
and
there's
a
whole
legal
process,
both
federal
and
state,
for
how
young
people
are
identified,
assessed
and
identified
and
placed
in
special
educational
opportunities.
How.
E
Is
that
because
what
we're
doing
is
you're
asking
us
to
change
our
zoning
ordinance
based
on
this
definition,
because
this
is
not
the
definition
is
not
educational
institution,
it's
special
educational,
so
I
knew
I,
really
and
I
think
this
council
needs
to
understand.
What
does
that
mean?
Are
these
students
with
physical
disabilities?
Are
they
physical
emotional
needs?
Are
they
mental?
What
is
it
about
the
curriculum
and
the
students
that
makes
this
special,
and
you
know
you're,
talking
about
your
legalities
I'm
talking
about
my
legalities,
my.
N
Name
is
Lynn
a
Wallis
I'm,
the
director
of
special
education,
so
the
students
can
have
a
number
of
disabilities
under
idea,
the
special
education
law.
There
are
13
eligibility
categories,
the
primary
disability
of
the
majority
of
the
students
will
be
emotional
disability.
However,
some
students
may
also
be
on
the
autism
spectrum.
Some
students
may
have
other
health
impairments.
Some
students
may
have
learning
disabilities,
so
any
student
who
falls
under
the
13
idea
categories
could
be
eligible.
Students
with
physical
impairments
are
less
likely
to
be
appropriate
for
this
site,
but
would
not
be
excluded,
but.
E
So
why
why
would
why
are
these
children
in
the
special
school?
Why
are
they
taken
away
from
what
what
has
happened,
that
they
can't
be
folded
in
to
the
regular
school,
so.
N
E
E
N
N
N
E
An
educational
institutional
public
is
permitted,
special
use
in
d1,
d2,
d3
and
d4
zoning
districts,
their
special
use,
almost
any
district.
You
could
have
put
this
any
district.
Instead,
you
chose
one
of
the
AI
districts
and
you
chose
it
without
without
having
it
be
conditional,
I
mean
you
didn't
make
it
conditional
and
you
must
have
known
about
the
lawsuit
and
you
must
have
said
because
of
who
we
are.
E
We
can
come
in
that
because
that's
what
Joan
doc
said
when
they,
when
they,
when
they
came
in
over
at
I
on
Hartree
and
demanded
that
we
changed
the
zoning
for
them
and
at
that
time
we
we
went
to
court
with
them
and
we
won,
and
the
judge
said
this.
You
know
this.
The
city
has
the
right
to
protect
its
sacred
zoning
powers
and
for
our
staff
and
for
the
for
the
planned
commission
to
recommend.
E
D
Don't
have
questions
for
you.
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
for
corporation
council
and
I
I.
Do
support
this
and
I
actually
think
that,
given
the
other
uses
that
are
currently
on
site,
I
think
this
makes
sense.
I
also
think
it
makes
reasonable
sense
for
the
children
in
our
community
I,
it's
very
important
that
we
keep
them
at
home.
If
we
can.
D
O
G
D
G
P
A
J
You
very
much,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
so
my
second
question
B
is
a
follow
up
to
mr.
Butler's
request
and
that
would
be
to
submit
the
special
use
application
just
for
staff
to
review
and
provide
feedback.
Dude
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
motion
for
that
or
if
it's
just
impossible
to
submit
it.
J
I
A
G
If
this
is
approved,
they
can
submit
after
that
and
if
they
do
it
by
the
13th,
we
have
enough
time
to
legally
notice
and
make
that
that
23rd
GBA
meeting
so
that
that
would
be
the
first,
the
next
GBA
GBA
meeting
that
they
can
legally
request
this
if
they
are
approved
for
especially
to
be
considered
for
special
use,
is
the
first
meeting
we
have
anyway.
Okay,
all
right,
thank.
A
F
Q
Okay,
chair
alderman,
Gary,
Gerdes
I
manage
the
building
and
inspection
services
division.
We
have
42
private
residential
lakefront
properties
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
All
of
those
properties
are
in
the
designated
FEMA
flood
plain,
though,
for
the
last
few
years,
we've
had
some
high
water
levels
and
a
heavy
wave
action
which
has
resulted
in
an
increased
amount
of
restoration
projects
on
those
properties.
Q
So
the
main
concern
that
we
have
nink
concern
that
staff
has
is
that
some
of
these
protections
that
are
being
proposed
for
some
of
these
and
protections
that
are
being
installed
are
moving
past.
What
the
historic
Eastern
property
line
is
in
further
into
the
lake.
So
that's
the
main
concern
that
we
have
is
what
we're
seeing
is
that
the
revetment
being
proposed
are
moving
eastward
and.
Q
The
permit
application
for
the
shoreline
projects
is
really
twofold:
there's
a
joint
application
that
goes
to
the
Army
Corps
of
engineer,
the
Department
of
Natural
Resources
and
the
Illinois
Environmental
Protection
Agency.
The
city
requires
a
local
permit
pursuant
to
our
city,
floodplain
ordinance.
So
the
other
issue
that
we're
having
is
that,
typically
the
city
is
not
getting
their
application
for
review
until
after
the
joint
piece
is
already
completed,
so
we're
seeing
it
much
later
in
the
game.
Q
So
those
are
the
two
main
things
that
that
we're
concerned
about
is
that
expansion
into
the
to
the
eastern
east
into
the
lake?
If
you
can
see
the
the
detail
here,
the
proposed
seawall
on
your
left
there.
Typically,
that
is
your
property
line,
and
then
what
we're
seeing
is
that
that
revetment
is.
You
can
see
it's
Hort
going
horizontally
six
feet
and
to
further
into
the
lake,
and
then
it
pretty
much
comes
down
and
when
it
goes
to
the
lakebed
you're,
almost
at
18
feet
out
or
a
little
more
than
18
feet
out
now.
Q
Q
Are
they
are
looking
at
that,
but
I
think
that
we
haven't
had
discussions
with
ID
and
ours
ID
and
our
staff
there,
but
they'll
look
and
if
the,
if
the
proposal
is
reasonable,
if
they
feel
it's
reasonable,
they
have
approved
those,
even
though
they
do
see
that
same.
You
know
that
same
movement
east
into
the
into
Lake
Michigan,
so
so
they're
looking
you
know
they
don't
there's
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule
here.
You
know
they
do
have
language,
as
you
can
see
up
top.
Q
They
do
have
language
in
their
regulations
that
prohibit
that
conversion
of
you
know
private
land
by
filling,
but
we
are
still
seeing
approved
projects
that
that
do
move
further
up.
Yes,
so
we're
still
seeing
those
projects
being
presented
to
us
and
again
we're
seeing
them.
You
know
too
late
too
late
in
the
review
process.
D
Q
We
we
actually
have
the
legal
Department
is
looking
into
that.
There
was
litigation
in
Indiana
where
the
it
was
determined
that
the
ordinary
high
water
mark
was
really
that
that
delineation
point
between
public
and
private.
You
know
so
that
that
was
an
Indiana
rule.
So
the
legal
department
is
looking
into
you
know
just
going
back
to
that
state
right
that
IDNR
regulation,
where
their
conversion
so
we're
kind
of
trying
to
find
out.
You
know
where
IDNR
make
that
delineation,
where
that
point
is
so
we
don't
have
an
answer
to
that.
Q
No
I
I
pretty
much.
You
know
this
recaps
the
to
the
two
concerns
that
staff
has.
We
we
would
propose,
maybe
strengthening
the
floodplain
ordinance
to
include
you,
know
more
definition,
and
what
that
delineation,
between
public
and
private
is
and
to
prohibit
that
expansion
into
Lake
Michigan
and
then
also
require
simultaneous
review
of
the
shoreline
projects
and
I.
Think
that
that
is
really
the
key
here.
You
know,
like
I,
said
we're
seeing
them
after
the
joint
approval
it
has
taken
place
for
for
us
to
go
to
a
resident,
a
homeowner.
Q
J
A
D
Can
I
just
miss
the
clerk?
Yes,
yeah
I
think
if
I'm
remembering
alterman
rainey
that
they
were
entitled
to
fill
in
more
land
but
chose
not
to,
and
now
they
have
to
go
back
to
the
beginning
if
they
want
to.
As
far
as
the
lagoon
is
concerned,
the
northwestern
position
was
that
they
dug
that
Lagoon
out
of
their
landfill
and
what
the
IDNR
found
out
was
that
that
was
actually
Lake,
and
so
they
were
prevented
from
filling
it
in
because,
rather
than
excavating
it,
it
was
actually
open
water.
They.
D
A
D
I
just
add
to
that,
but
only
because
I
I
know
this
stuff
pretty
well
is
that
what
Loyola
was
told
was
that
in
order
to
qualify
to
do
the
landfill
that
they
wanted
to
do,
they
had
to
provide
a
significant
public
benefit,
you've
all
heard
of
significant
public
benefits
and
that
required
the
their
landfill
to
be
open
for
public
use
yeah
and
they
they
decided
that
that
wasn't
what
they,
what
they
really
wanted
which,
but
they
were
sued
by
the
Rogers,
Park
homeowners
association.
I.
Think
that's
where
that.
D
Finally,
they
settled
it
was
settled,
went
to
federal
court
and
Marvin
Aspen
was
was
the
judge,
can
I
just
question.
I
am
really
concerned
about
where
property
lines
are
here.
I
just
I
would
like
us
to
work
toward
getting
a
firm
hand
on
what's
public
land.
What's
private
land
and
I
understand
the
water
moves
back
and
forth
all
the
time,
but
it
is
a
concern.
I
mean
I
actually
have
people
in
my
ward,
who
have
asked?
Can
they
walk
on
the
other
side
of
the
rocks
on
the
northwestern
landfill?
D
Q
We've
looked
at,
you
know,
plots
of
survey
in
the
plastic
surgery,
the
legal
description
may
say
yet
waters
edge.
You
know,
but
waters
edges
dynamic.
So
you
know
so
that
it's
difficult.
So
you
know
I
think
that
on
most
of
the
properties
we
do
have
some
type
of
historic
property
lines.
You
know
and
again
you
know
we're
seeing
these
these
think
I
don't
want
to
call
them
an
encroachment,
but
we're
seeing
you
know
this.
This
shift
and
that's
what
we
want
to
discuss.
A
B
A
O
So
the
Khedive
name-
Rochelle
amazing,
cough
deputy
city
attorney
surprisingly,
there's
very
little
case
law
on
this
in
Illinois.
Just
because
of
the
fact
we
have
a
very
small
sliver
of
Lake
Michigan
land,
but
we
will
look
into
this
issue
of
the
rocks
and
see
if
there's
any
case
law
and
that
will
have
to
draw
from
other
jurisdictions
to
come
up
with
some
guidance
for
you.
But
we
will
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
mm-hmm.
C
Q
C
Q
A
Well,
I
think
that
we
obviously
should
have
a
public
process
and
provide
notification
to
all
42
property
owners,
and
then
we
should
have
a
you
know:
special
notification
for
property
owners,
but
also
notification
citywide
for
a
discussion
on
this
and
then
I
do
think.
I'll
run
Fisk's
point
about
what
is
and
revelled
point
about.
What
is
the
definition
if
there
is
one
in
Illinois
and
and
how
much
or
what
is
being
used?
So
we
all
can
understand.
A
R
He
makes
assumptions
and
asserts
them
as
though
these
are
reality.
I
live
there.
I
know
that
the
assertions
that
he's
making
are
not
reality
so
I
caution
you
about
looking
to
experts
who
are
trying
to
sell
revetment
as
as
a
source.
The
second
comment
I'd
like
to
make
is
just
to
address
to
the
the
relevance
of
the
so
called
property
edge.
I.
Don't
think
that
really
should
be
the
focus
of
the
counsel.
R
It
should
not
be
the
focus
it's
a
factor,
but
I
believe
the
city
needs
to
adopt
a
policy
that
is
consistent
with
what
it's
trying
to
protect
and
it
is
not
necessarily
you
know
no
way.
We
have
a
very
strange,
it's
different
from
Michigan
and
Indiana,
and
the
cases
are
old.
There
are
only
a
few
cases,
but
they
basically
say
riparian
means
the
water's
edge
wherever
it
may
happen
to
be
from
day
to
day.
R
It
is
clear
also
that
people
do
have
the
right
to
walk
and
play
and
boat
and
whatever
up
to
the
water's
edge,
wherever
it
maybe
heat
from
day
to
day
the
Department
or
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
has
now
adopted
a
policy
that
they
have
inserted
in
some
of
these
recent
revetment.
Let's
say:
okay,
we
know
you're
putting
this
revetment
in
public
waters.
R
Please
be
aware
of
the
fact
that
we're
not
giving
you
ownership
of
that
land
so
is
the
implication
that
if
someone
puts
a
revetment
on
public
waters
that
other
people
can
come
and
and
use
that
resentment
well,
you
know
that
will
be
the
logical
conclusion
and
that
creates
issues
of
liability
for
the
city
and
for
homeowners,
because
it
also
affects
the
city's
properties.
So
I
would
just
urge
the
city
to
and
I
believe.
R
Where
you
decide,
you're
gonna
put
your
boundary
and
today
there's
probably
pretty
good
precedent,
because
there's
42
houses
there
and
you
know
where
the
properties
are,
but
for
the
most
recent
ones
where
a
man
still
has
been
pushed
in
I'm
like
how
the
theory
of
we're
protecting.
What's
here
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
another
20
feet
out
in
order
to
protect?
What's
here,
no
sand
protects
that
nature
protects
that
you
don't
need
to
film
in
another
20
feet,
because
then
the
next
guy
still
wants.
R
G
P
A
A
Yes,
I
think
this
is.
This
is
a
very
well
thought
out
and
I
think
that
something
that
really
we
should
get
on
to
before
it
overtakes
us.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
all
I
think
that
concludes
our
agenda.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
all
right?
The
City
Council
will
start
in
10
minutes
at
8:40.
Okay,
thank
you
all!
Oh
excuse
me
June
odd.
Would
you
like
to
come
off
and
speak
now,
or
would
you
rather
speak
to
a
bigger
audience?
H
Gonna
say
something
about
Northwestern
and
the
landfill
over
there,
and
what's
going
on
that's
about
a
year
to
go,
the
city
said
residents
would
have
access
to
that
beach
north
of
that
new
athletic
facility,
I'd
like
to
know
where
that
stands
I
like
staff
to
come
back
and
tell
us
when
residents
do
not
get
to
use
that
Beach
at
Northwestern.
Okay,
what's
going
on
with
that
now,
the
next
comment
I
have
is
something
different,
and
this
is
a
non
relatedly
issue.
Tonight
I've
talked
to
several
council
members
about
this
and
that's
the
fact.
H
H
A
A
Things
we
discussed
was
every
new
applicant
for
a
PUD
would
be
required
to
produce
a
three-dimensional
model
to
a
certain
scale
that
the
city
would
provide
and
that
she
and
I
have
discussed
potentially
having
an
entire
model
of
the
downtown
produced,
because
3d
printing
is
so
inexpensive
at
this
point.
Well,.
H
You
know,
let
me
go
a
little
further
with
that,
I
mean
what
needs
to
be
done
is
with
the
model.
The
model
should
show
the
downtown
as
it
is,
but
downtown
with
so-called
zoning
that
we
could
have,
and
then,
when
the
applicant
puts
a
big
building
there
to
make
it
look
like
how
many
big
buildings
we're
gonna
have
in
the
downtown
and
I
think
we
need.
We
need
this
done
sooner
than
later,
and
it's
not
that
expensive
and
somehow
the
city
if
the
city
doesn't
want
to
fund
it,
make
these
applicants
funded
somehow.
A
H
That's
not
what
I'm
talking
about
what
I'm
talking
about
is
a
computer-generated
model
that
I
can
put
up
on
that
screen
anywhere.
The
downtown
take
any
view
of
the
downtown
I
want
to
see
and
look
at
it.
That's
what
I'm
talking
about
not
these
little,
these
wooden
models
and
things.
That's
that's
technology!
So
old!
It's
it's
silly!
Dnews
produced.
A
A
The
screen,
those
are
good
ideas,
too
I-
think
we're
trying
to
provide
it
in
as
many
forms
so
that
as
many
people
who
have
different
issues
about
how
they
see
things,
whether
they
need
a
3d
representation
in
front
of
them
that
they
can
touch
or
something
on
the
screen,
so
we're
trying
to
make
it
as
understandable
as
possible
to
as
many
people
as
possible.
Okay,
thank
you.