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A
A
Okay,
councilman
brunusma
here
councilmember
Burns.
B
A
Council
member
helicaris
here
and
I'm
sorry
I
skipped
over
councilmember,
Ravel
I
was
looking
at
the
list
and
not
a
few
people
myself,
councilman
read
here
and
councilmember
Kelly
is
here,
but
will
be
joining
us
shortly.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
councilmember.
Wen
is
also
here
virtually
wonderful
with
the
Quorum
we're
ready
to
to
start.
Our
business
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
About
councilmember
Ravel,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
aye
and
I'm.
Sorry
was
there
any?
Were
there
any
amendments
to
the
minutes,
any
discussed
on
them?
No
great
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
are
those
opposed
any
of
any
abstentions,
seeing
none
the
motion
passes.
That
brings
us
to
ordinance.
That
brings
us
tied
in
P1
ordinance,
111022,
granting
a
special
use
for
plan
development
with
site
development
allowances
and
a
special
use
permit
for
Kittle
kennel
located
at
222
and
2310
Oakton
Street
and
the
I2
General
Industrial
District.
A
Is
there
a
motion
moved
by
councilmember,
Ravel
seconded
by
second
councilmanusma?
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item
and
I'm
sorry,
I
100
skipped
over
public
comment.
Let's.
A
Seeing
no
discussion,
oh
and
that
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye
are
those
opposed,
any
abstentions.
The
motion
passes.
We
will
move
to
public
comment
and
for
that
the
first
person
up
is
Will
Flatt
who's
speaking
to
item
P2.
A
And
you
have
two
minutes.
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
I
would
hope
that
of
the
many
things
that
come
before
this
committee,
this
would
be
one
that
doesn't
have
much
controversy.
We
can
all
agree
of
the
many
benefits
for
lots
of
constituencies.
I.
E
This
is
a
chance
to
go
the
other
direction.
A
internationally
recognized
brand,
where
companies
will
follow.
Companies
and
organizations
tend
to
like
to
go
where
other
organizations
are,
can
actually
create.
Retail
activity,
create
retail
Revenue,
create
excitement
and
I
would
hope
that
would
give
consideration
to
help
make
this
happen.
Thank
you.
A
Here:
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
person.
If
he
comes
back
we'll
give
him
an
opportunity:
Ken,
Swanson,
Kent
or
Ken
Kent,
okay,
Kent
Swanson,.
A
F
Evening
my
name
is
Brian
Whiting
I'm,
here
to
speak
about
the
signage
installation
of
the
orington
building.
Excuse
me:
I
have
been
up
here
many
times
over
the
years,
because
I'm
a
long
time
resident
of
Evanston
I
live
in
the
First
Ward
and
I'm,
usually
up
here
protecting
I'm
hoping
to
protect
something
that
was
proposed
for
my
ward
tonight,
though
I'm
here
to
talk
on
in
support
of
the
signage
installation
on
the
Oregon
building.
F
I
am
not
only
a
resident
of
this
building,
but
I
also
am
own
the
largest
real
estate
company,
that
represents
landlords
for
office,
leasing
in
the
city
of
Chicago
and
I'm
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
going
on
in
that
market,
with
work
from
home
and
the
shrinkage
of
the
use
of
office
space.
As
a
result,
my
company
represents
about
26
million
square
feet
of
office.
F
Space
in
downtown
Chicago
includes
the
Old
Post
Office,
the
Willis
Tower
and
aeon
and
I
can
tell
you
from
experience
that
we
are
now
experiencing
a
very
large
decrease
in
the
use
of
Office
Space.
F
So
here
in
Evanston,
that
is,
Evanston
is
not
immune
to
that
same
situation
and,
as
a
result,
finding
new
tenants
for
office
building
has
become
very
difficult
when
you
have
an
opportunity
to
bring
a
company
like
UL
into
the
City
of
Evanston,
with
a
50
000
square
foot
lease
which,
in
today's
market
read
like
150
000
square
feet
three
years
ago,
it's
very
important
that
you
seize
on
that
opportunity,
because
there's
going
to
be
fewer
and
farther
between
with
opportunities
to
fill
office
space
when
office
space
doesn't
fill,
it
doesn't
collect.
F
In
yeah,
right,
I
was
in
the
parking
lot
when
they
called
me,
so
I
ran
through,
but
all
I.
You
know
one
one
last
comment,
though
sure
just
please,
the
the
signage
put
forth
is
appropriate.
It's
it's.
Any
municipality
in
this
state
would
approve
that
signage
packet
for
UL
to
bring
those
jobs
in
pay
more
taxes,
pay
more
taxes,
keep
my
taxes
lower.
Thank
you.
A
G
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Matt
Cavanaugh
with
Arc
real
estate.
I
actually
represent
the
landlord
as
well
as
Mr
Flatt,
who
spoke
previously
in
Family
Properties
here
in
town,
I
represent
typically
retail
space
and
we've
really
struggled
you
know
in
Downtown
Chicago,
because
there's
no
one
left.
If
you
go
down
there,
it's
it's.
It's
scary,
not
just
you
know,
because
they
don't
talk
about
the
crime,
but
just
there's
no
one
there
and
we
experienced
some
of
that
too,
in
in
tours.
G
We've
had
of
our
of
our
spaces,
especially
when
Northwestern
is
not
in
in
session.
So
you
know
we're
getting
people
looking
at
our
space
and
deciding
to
not
come
to
Evanston,
because
they're
a
little
nervous
about
the
seasonality
of
of
the
retail
and
so
bringing
you
know,
a
large
50,
000
square
foot
office
user
will
do
a
lot
to
bring
demand.
G
Just
you
know
to
downtown
Amazon
as
a
whole,
because
right
now
we're
really
seeing
Church
Street,
Plaza
and
Sherman
I've
probably
got
eight
or
ten
people
that
have
looked
at
the
Naf
Naf
and
say
we're
gonna
wait
for
Sherman.
But
if
you
bring,
you
know
a
large
amount
of
office
users
you're
going
to
start
forcing
these
restaurants
hand
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
come
so
I'd
hope
that
you
know,
if
you
consider
a
strong
way
to
make
this
happen,
and
thanks
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
wonderful.
Seeing
no
further
public
comment,
we'll
move
on
to
our
agenda.
We
have
already
voted
on
item
P1
and
that
was
approved.
We
now
are
on
item
P2
ordinance,
119022,
approving
zoning
relief
for
Underwriters
Laboratory
signage
at
1603,
Orrington
Avenue
in
the
D3
District
may
have
a
motion
so
move
moved
by
councilmember
news
seconded
by
by
council
member
Revell
councilman
renisma.
D
Chair,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair
I
will
express
my
strong
support
for
this
ordinance
and
I.
Look
forward
to
welcoming
such
a
prestigious
organization
as
UL
into
our
downtown,
regardless
of
who
the
employer
is
bringing
200
highly
paid.
Employees
to
downtown
Evanston
is
something
we
desperately
need
in
this
current
economic
environment.
D
So,
regardless
of
the
employer,
this
is
an
opportunity.
We
should
jump
at
the
fact
that
it's
Underwriters,
Laboratories
and
internationally
respected
brand
well-known
brand
look
at
hold
up
your
the
power
supply
to
your
computer.
Ul
is
on
this.
Ul
is
on
the
bottom
of
this
computer.
You
know,
UL
is
on
this
thing
right
here.
Ul
is
already
in
Evanston
Let's.
Let's
bring
their
headquarters
here
and
hey
if
they
need
to
have
a
sign
on
the
building.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
done.
D
Tastefully
done
appropriately
done
in
a
bird
friendly
way,
I
think
we
are
checking
all
those
boxes
and
I.
You
know
heartily
endorse
this
this
proposal
and
look
forward
to
taking
action
on
it
tonight.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Kelly,.
H
Thank
you,
yeah
I'm
also
very
excited
to
have
UL
move
one
of
the
branches,
one
of
their
branches,
of
their
headquarter
to
Evanston.
This
is
wonderful,
our
city
for
our
businesses,
although
I
don't
quite
understand,
I
mean
this
is
an
are
UL
folks
here.
If
you
could
speak
to
it,
I
don't
understand.
Quite
we
have
other
businesses
that
are
headquartered
here,
such
as
Zs,
Associates,
magnetar
rotary.
None
of
them
have
insisted
on
what
I
feel
is
really
sort
of
defacing
one
of
the
few
large
buildings
in
town
that
I
really
do
value.
H
George
shiperate,
the
architect,
who
worked
with
Miss
van
der
rohe,
and
this
building
really
does
have
some
elements:
sort
of
the
elegant,
simple
lines,
somewhat
of
an
industrial
look
and
the
thought
to
me
of
putting
a
you
know:
royal
blue,
lit
up
sign
and
a
lime
green
on
one
side.
I
just
I'd
like
to
understand
why
this
is
so
important
for
underwriter
laboratory
to
do
this
on
the
top
of
the
building.
I,
don't
understand,
I
understand
you
can
take
pictures
of
it.
H
Maybe
that
and
put
in
your
annual
report,
but
I
would
hope
you
would
still
want
to
move
to
Evanston
and
respect
our
skies.
You
know
our
Skyscape
and
as
well
as
our
buildings,
particularly
this
piece
of
architecture
and
reconsider
I
I'm
a
little
bit
at
a
loss
as
to
why
this
has
to
be
this
way,
why
you
can't
have
sort
of
the
what
we
have
down
below
the
Chase
Bank
has
sort
of
a
kiosk
as
well
as
magnetar,
why
we
have
to
have
that
Lit
Up
logo
on
the
top
of
the
building?
H
I
Okay,
so
really
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
introduce
Terry
Brady
who's,
the
CEO
of
UL
research
institutes
to
talk
to
you
about
why
he
feels
that
he
needs
he
and
the
board
need
the
signage.
Would
that
be
appropriate.
J
Now
also
earlier
this
year,
we
announced,
as
you
may
have
read
a
1.8
billion
dollar
commitment
to
address
increasingly
complex
Global
safety
challenges
and
support
our
growth
through
increased
funding
of
both
ulri
and
ulse.
In
our
discussion
this
evening,
then
relates
to
new
headquarters
for
these
two
UL
organizations
to
expand
our
capacity.
Ulri
and
ulsc
are
joining
together
to
establish
a
headquarters
office
space
with
Room
to
Grow
beyond
our
very
full
Northbrook
campus
we've
selected
Orrington
Plaza
in
Evanston
as
an
ideal
location
for
our
new
combined
headquarters.
J
Now
we
all
know
that
Metropolitan
Chicago
is
suffering
from
businesses,
leaving
for
other
cities
and
states,
and
we're
proud
not
only
to
announce
publicly
our
commitment
to
this
community
of
Evanston.
But
we
want
the
people
of
Evanston
to
feel
that
commitment
as
well.
We
want
to
join
Northwestern
and
many
other
local
institutions
in
supporting
stem
education,
stem
careers
and
Civic
and
cultural
life
here
in
Evanston.
J
So
as
as
the
council
understands,
we
envision
two
signs,
one
for
UL
research
institutes
and
one
for
UL
standards
and
engagement
at
the
top
of
our
proposed
space.
Why
do
we
want
these
signs?
We
want
them
because
they
would
showcase
our
pride
and
commitment
to
establishing
our
new
headquarters
in
Evanston,
and
we
want
people
when
they
see
our
logos
to
know
that
we
are
united
in
our
shared
mission
of
working
for
a
safer
City
in
a
safer
world
and
when
they
look
up
at
Orrington
Plaza.
J
So
why
are
these
signs
important
to
UL
to
come
to
the
council
members
very
important
question
and
as
we
plan
to
move
our
headquarters
to
Evanston,
let
me
outline
four
reasons
why
why
this
is
important
to
us
one,
we're
justifiably
proud
of
our
130
year
old
safety
Mission,
our
sixteen
thousand
colleagues
that
work
around
the
sun
right.
Never
stopping
as
we
sleep
here,
our
colleagues
in
Asia
or
Europe,
are
carrying
through
our
mission
and
we're
proud
of
the
iconic
brand
that
citizens
look
for
when
choosing
products
number
two.
J
We
currently
maintain
what
we
believe
to
be
tasteful
and
appropriate
signage
in
Northbrook
and
our
many
other
locations
around
the
world.
We
have
signs
that
announce
our
presence,
Tastefully
and
appropriately
in
facilities
large
and
small
across
the
globe.
Number
three:
the
signage
of
the
type
we
propose
here
is
readily
available
in
the
many
other
Chicago
and
Suburban
locations
we've
been
evaluating.
So
when
I
tell
my
board,
this
is
you
know
not
an
issue
in
in
the
other
buildings
we're
looking
at
they.
They
are
hopeful
and
and
expectant
that
we
can
work
this
out
in
Evanston.
J
Everyone
wants
a
a
sofa,
that's
fire,
safe,
comfortable
and
affordable.
It's
very
easy
to
solve
any
two
legs
of
that
triangle,
but
try
to
solve
all
three.
These
people
meet
each
other
in
court,
but
they'll
come
to
UL
and
have
a
meeting
together
because
they
know
that
we're
a
trusted
neutral
convener.
So
we
want
to
have
people
who
would
come
to
our
Northbrook
offices
very
regularly
and
we
rent
big
hotels
like
the
big
Western
out
in
Wheeling
for
very
large
meetings.
Well,
we
want
to
do
that
here.
In
Evanston.
J
One
floor
of
our
proposed
space
will
be
entirely
a
convening
floor
for
stakeholders
who
will
help
us
be
more
impactful
and
relevant
in
addressing
increasingly
complex
safety
challenges
and,
of
course,
these
visitors
will
bring
significant
travel,
food
and
entertainment
dollars
to
the
Evanston
economy.
So
I
I
hope
that
answers
the
question
and
now,
with
your
consent,
I'd
like
to
turn
the
microphone
over.
A
A
If,
if
we
can
I
I
appreciate
it,
I
wonder
if
we
can
continue
the
discussion
up
here
and
if
we
have
questions
and
we
can
reach
back
out
to
the
to
the
group
yeah
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilmember
Kelly.
H
Great
so
again,
I
want
to
reiterate
that
I
am
very,
very
happy
that
UL
is
planning
to
move
to
Evanston,
although
I
am
extremely
disappointed
that
UL
can't
respect
our
codes
and
our
skylines,
and
this
George
shippery
building,
like
are
other
companies
that
are
headquartered
here,
so
that
I'm
disappointed
I'd
like
to
really
understand
what
the
negative
impact
would
be
for
you
all
not
to
put
those
logos
on
the
top
of
the
building,
and
you
know
I,
just
wonder
how
much
you
you've
been
versed
about
this
architect.
H
Who
did
you
know,
was
a
colleague
of
miese,
Van,
Der,
rohe
I
think
that
building
does
have
sort
of
a
messy
look
to
it,
and
you
know
he
also
designed
the
Lake
Point
Tower.
He
co-designed
the
Lake
Point
Tower.
So
this
is
a
significant,
significant
architecture
for
us
in
Evanston,
so
again,
just
to
reiterate
I'm
happy
to
have
that.
H
You
all
wants
to
move
here
very
happy
for
everything
that
you
represent
and
that
you
do
but
I'm
very
disappointed
that
you
yet
you're
insistent
on
doing
this
in
our
city
and
I
wish
you.
You
would
also
respect
like
these
other
other
companies
that
are
headquartered
here
who
have
not
asked
for
such
a
thing.
So
thank
you
and
if,
at
some
point
maybe
you
can
explain
the
negative
impact
of
what
would
happen
to
UL
if
you
didn't
put
that
at
the
top
of
that
building.
Well,.
A
D
K
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
your
letting
us
have
time
to
address
these
issues.
My
name
is
Tim
robelli
I'm,
the
general
counsel
of
these
two
organizations.
These
are
tax-exempt
charities,
so
they're
they're,
not
for-profit
companies,
and
earlier
this
year
we
announced
publicly
a
1.8
billion
dollar
kind
of
endowment
for
these
two
structures.
So
we're
looking
for
a
long-term
home,
I'm
going
to
say
anybody.
K
K
We
have
kind
of
a
flexible
policy
right
now
where
we're
going
to
have
certain
requirements
where
people
have
to
work
in
the
office,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
be
flexible
in
this
day
and
age
and
allow
people
to
work
remotely.
You
know,
as
a
charity
organization,
whatever
Community
we
go
to
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
We
have
a
very
distinguished
board.
One
of
them
is
an
MIT
Provost.
The
first
thing
he
did
when
he
heard
about
this
building
is
he
Googled
up
1603?
He
noticed
Northwestern
was
in
it.
K
There
was
signage
for
that
and
he's
like
well,
what
kind
of
signage
are
we
going
to
get
because
we're
in
a
brand
launch
right
now
for
our
charitable
science
organizations,
that's
important
for
our
trustees,
so
we
go
to
them
and
say:
oh
40
30
40
percent
vacancies
across
the
Chicago
Market.
We
could
go
to
Skokie.
We
could
go
downtown,
there's
reasons
why
we
want
to
come
here
and
if
we
come
here
we're
going
to
be
a
good
corporate
citizen.
K
We
have
a
track
record
at
Northbrook
of
supporting
things
like
the
symphony
local,
the
Arboretum
we've.
We've
invested
a
tremendous
amount
of
things
like
stem
education,
and
we
have
a
huge
program
with
Case,
Western
or
university
that
offers
plenty
of
high
school
students
and
opportunities,
so
we're
an
attractive
tenant
and
we're
looking
to
go
somewhere
to
sink
Our
Roots
in
we're,
not
a
for-profit
company.
K
K
If
you
come
here
well,
if
we
go
to
Chicago,
if
we
go
to
the
Old
Orchard
area,
if
you
go
to
some
of
the
Year
other
areas
that
are
options
to
us,
we're
not
going
to
have
these
kinds
of
issues
about
signage,
so
we
went
with
what
we
believe
to
be
a
dignified
sign.
We
didn't
put
our
name
across
the
building.
K
We've
got
experts
from
various
sources
to
help
us
design
this
in
a
way
where
the
lighting
everything
about
it
is
trying
to
be
designed
in
a
way
that's
going
to
be
environmentally
friendly.
We've
got
to
turn
off
at
11
o'clock,
so
we
have
a
board
meeting
later
this
week.
So
you
know
that
you
have
have
to
do
your
deliberative
process
and
follow
what
you
think,
but
I
mean
we're
interested
in
making
a
long-term
commitment
here.
K
But
if
we
go
to
our
board
and
say,
we've
been
through
three
hearings:
the
last
one
was
11
o'clock
at
night,
we're
still
having
trouble
getting
what
we
want
done
here
to
make
sure
we
can
answer
our
trustees
questions
about
this,
but
we're
still
open-ended,
and
it's
not
not
done.
You
know
we're
we're
like
everybody
else
in
the
global
economy.
That's
present
today
right
we're
all
looking
at
a
2023
trying
to
figure
out
what's
going
to
happen
so
I
just
think
that,
in
terms
of
our
options,
you
know
we'd
like
to
come
here
directionally.
K
We've
answered
your
question
but
having
that
Insignia
that
label
that
logo
on
that
building
is
important
to
the
people
at
our
our
company
and
at
the
trustee
level,
and
and
and
so
that's,
why
we're
you
know
going
down
the
path
we're
going
to
you
know
it's
one
of
the
first
questions
that
they
asked
when
we
looked
at
the
site,
you
can
disagree
with
and
say:
well,
I,
don't
think
we
should
have
the
logo
there.
K
If
that's
the
decision
that
we
face
in
this
community,
then
the
people
that
run
our
organization,
the
fiduciaries
that
manage
these
tax
exempt
Charities
are
going
to
have
to
consider
the
significance
of
that
and
and
we
don't
control
that
and-
and
you
know,
we've
done
everything
we
can
to
make
this
happen.
K
If
I
can
answer
any
questions
later
or
you
know,
I'd
be
happy
to
address
them,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
you
a
perspective
on
how
we're
trying
to
approach
this
is,
and
there
is
a
convener
dimension
to
what
we're
doing
it's,
not
just
the
200
employees.
The
green
UL
has
over
1500
standards
technical
panels
with
members
from
government
industry,
science
groups
and
those
standards
impact,
as,
as
you
mentioned,
council
member,
all
sorts
of
products
across
almost
every
industry
and
and
we're
a
not-for-profit
organization
with
two
slightly
different
missions.
K
B
You
so
and
I
appreciate
all
that
information.
Thank
you
so
200
employees.
What
are
we
really
looking
at
on
it
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and.
K
A
K
Yeah
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is.
You
know
there
will
be
some
times
where
there'll
be
more
more
than
200
in
in
Evanston,
because
we'll
have
a
meeting
or
something,
but
you
know
we're
going
to
probably
start
off
with
some
kind
of
a
flex
policy
where
we'll
be
expecting
people
to
be
in
at
least
three
days
a
week,
and
there
might
be
some
exceptions
to
that
and
how
we
stagger
that
you
know
we're
going
to
build
like
every
company
as
as
Mr
Brady
mentioned,
one
floor
will
be
basically
general
office.
K
K
Might
be
a
hundred
people
to
150,
you
know
sometimes
getting
up
over
200
when
we
convene
you
know,
both
organizations
have
separate
missions,
so
they're
going
to
have
different
reasons
to
convene
meetings.
The
the
green
would
be
meaning
for
standards
type
activities.
The
blue
is
a
research.
We
have
a
relationship
with
Northwestern,
so
so
we've
made
a
substantial
commit
with
them
in
the
digital
area
already,
so
we,
but
that
isn't
like
an
investment
just
in
Northwestern,
it's
a
hub.
K
So
we
have
30
universities
that
have
submitted
requests
for
proposals
from
all
over
the
United
States
just
to
work
in
that
area
and
we're
funding
it.
So
that
will
be
duplicated
in
four
or
five
research
areas.
That's
what
UL
blue
is
about,
and
how
long
is
the
lease?
The
lease
is,
a
launch
from
lease
I
think
the
first
term.
You
know
it
seems
like
11s
11
years.
B
Are
there
any
conferences
that
UL
puts
together
sure
on
a
regular
basis
and
and
what
could
Evanston
potentially
be
the
site
of
such
a
conference?
Yes,.
K
There
I
mean
I
I,
some
of
the
conferences
I've
been
involved
in
well.
We
do
one
with
Interpol,
that's
really
about
anti-counterfeiting
and
that's
law
enforcement
and
generally
they
like
to
do
a
location
because
of
the
global
dimension
of
it
outside
the
United
States.
We
did
have
one
at
the
United
Nations
I,
don't
know
if
we
could
get
them
to
do
a
U.S
location,
but
we
have
many
many
different
kinds
of
accreditations
and
Mr
Brady
I
think
is
ready
to
address
the
specifics.
J
A
great
question
councilmember,
just
briefly
in
mindful
of
time
as
as
my
colleague
mentioned,
our
1500
safety
standards.
One
UL
first
got
into
this
business
of
helping
develop
safety
standards.
Ul
Engineers
would
write
them
out
and
hand
them
down
like
the
mountain
coming
off
the
mountain.
Now,
every
one
of
these
standards
has
a
panel
of
50
to
75
people.
It's
like
it's
like
law
making
regulation
making.
So
the
standards
panels
1500
people
times
I
mean
1500
standards
times
50
people.
So
we
could
have
a
lot
of
stakeholder
meetings
of
our
standards.
J
We
call
them
standards,
technical
panels,
sdps
Every
Spring.
We
do
an
annual
meeting
and
we've
been
having
it
at
this
big
hotel
in
Wheeling,
because
it's
four
or
five
hundred
people
and
as
I
said
to
the
land
use
committee.
You
know
we're
deeply
interested
in.
What's
this
future
and
story
with
places
like
the
Orrington
Hotel,
because
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
major
conference
space,
I'm
delighted
to
see
there's
a
new
hotel,
maybe
on
Chicago
Avenue,
a
Hyatt
or
something
but
our
board.
You
know
I
I
our
board
meeting
this
week.
J
Mr
ravali
referred
to
it's
downtown
at
the
Four
Seasons
well
next
year,
I'd
like
to
have
our
board
meeting
here
in
Evanston,
so
I
hope
that
answers
the
question.
We
do
a
lot
of
meetings
because,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
don't
have
all
the
answers.
We
do
better
work
when
we
convene
others
and
we're
a
trusted
convener.
So
these
aren't
conventions
right.
This
is
not
like
the
dentist
or
something,
but
it's
it's
scientists
and
stakeholders,
and
and
people
like
you
coming
together
to
give
input
and
help
make
the
world
safer
together.
B
Appreciate
it,
thank
you,
and
this
next
question
is
the
staff,
because
I
haven't
been
able
to
review
the
last
land
use
commission
meeting
on
this.
But
what
was
their
comments
specifically
on
the
president
that
this
would
set
in
their
concerned
that
this
wasn't
conforming
to
our
current
zoning
code?
I
saw
a
list
of
if
we
do
support
this
here.
Are
the
things
we'd
like
to
see
but
did
not
get
a
chance
to
see
what
their
concerns
were
around
precedent.
City
great.
L
Question
Liz
Williams
planning
manager
with
the
Community
Development
Department,
as
it
relates
to
precedent
setting
there
were
comments
made
that
this
this
particular
request
is
on
the
largest
tallest
building
within
the
City
of
Evanston,
and
so
they
didn't
feel
as
though
a
another
request
would
be
similar
to
this.
Given
the
unique
character
of
this
particular
building
and
the
height
that
it
it
currently
is
there,
there
is
not
another
building
like
this
in
Evanston,
so
that
was
part
of
their
discussion.
B
Can
you
explain
that
a
bit
more
because
my
my
concern
was
that
the
policy
I
think
will
require
two
through
that
they
have
every
floor
start
at
the
second
floor,
all
the
way
at
the
top,
correct
and
and
I
think
they
are
they're.
Gonna
have
the
three
top
floors
that.
L
B
L
So
for
this
particular
request,
they
also
added
a
condition
that
no
other
tall
building
identification
signs
would
be
permitted
on
this
particular
building,
and
they
also
discussed
that
when
and
if
UL
decides
to
relocate
out
of
this
building,
that
the
signage
would
have
to
be
removed.
So
any
future
requests
would
have
to
come
through
through
the
land
use
commission
for
for
review
if
they
would
seek
a
similar
circumstance.
So.
B
Mean
but
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
think
about
our
Skyline
to
see
if
there's
any,
not
it's
top
buildings
that
are
as
tall
as
that,
but
any
other
buildings
that
someone
would
say:
okay.
Well,
we
currently
occupied
three
floors
as
well.
Now
we
want,
you
know
to
put
a
sign
on
our
on
the
building
that
we
occupy.
L
The
land
use
commission
did
review
this
as
it
relates
to
kind
of
the
current
vacancy
rates
post
pandemic
and
and
the
unique
circumstances
that
we
are
currently
under
in
terms
of
the
office
market,
and
that
was
you
know,
one
of
the
biggest
things
with
with
their
decision
and
their
discussion
was
centered
around
that
topic.
B
And
in
the
last
question
is
around
public
benefits,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
that
has
come
up
yet,
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
from
UL
wants
to
talk
about
any
discussion,
they're
willing
to
have
about
a
public
benefits
around
this
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
everything
is
everything
you
said
is
is
great,
but
a
commitment
to
Workforce
Development,
a
commitment
that
more
directly
invests
in
Evanston
residents
would
is,
is
different
from
just
saying
we're
going
to
add
200
employees
downtown
to
the
shop.
B
K
And
I
think
you
know
our
our
CEO
Charlotte
farmer
could
address
this,
but
you're
pressed
for
what
I
will
I.
We
will
be
involved
in
working
with
the
city
with
the
High
School.
You
know,
I'm
on
I
happen
to
be
on
the
board
of
North
Shore
Evans,
North,
Shore,
Elmhurst,
right
I,
know
they're,
very
active
in
Workforce
Development
and
things
like
that.
Those
kinds
of
charitable
actions
are
consistent
with
our
charitable
Mission.
You
know.
K
One
of
the
things
we
support
is
the
development
of
opportunities
for
especially
people
that
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
pursue
a
science
career.
So
you
know
that's
something.
We've
already
done
so
you
know:
we've
got
a
very
large
high
school
I'm
sure
they
have
a
need
for
those
kinds
of
programs
and
we
would
look
to
coordinate
with
the
city
to
get
guidance
as
to
how
can
we
best
that's
the
way
we're
going
to
act
here
as
a
corporate
citizen?
K
You
know
I,
don't
know
how
many
laboratory
type
things
we're
going
to
have,
but
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
offices
all
around
the
world
too,
with
our
Affiliates
and
you
know
we
would
we
would
be
a
long-term
tenant
and
we
would
make
that
kind
of
commitment
to
interact
with
people
to
get
the
right
kind
of
guidance
as
to
how
can
we
best
impact
things
as
we
move
into
Evanston?
That
would
be
part
of
what
we
would
plan
to
accomplish
and.
B
K
B
K
I,
don't
want
them
to
think
we're
open
to
doing
that.
You
know
what
form
that
takes
is
something
that
I
we'd
have
to
be
kind
of,
guided
as
to
what
your
practices
are.
I
mean.
This
is
something
that
you
would
normally
include.
I
mean
we're
very
open
to
working
with
the
communities
that
we're
in
we've
done
it
in
Northbrook
to
the
degree
we've
had
people
coming
from
some
of
the
local
high
schools
that
have
had
internship
programs.
K
You
know
we're
very
interested
as
we
grow
our
Sciences,
particularly
in
the
Blue
Area,
we're
going
to
have
doctoral
students
and
other
students
like
that,
so
they're
going
to
have
they're
going
to
have
a
need
to
have
assistance,
and
people
like
that.
So
I
I
think
that
there's
a
number
of
charitable
organizations
that
we
already
work
with
in
these
kinds
of
areas.
We
have
a
group
in
the
in
the
blue,
that's
basically
dedicated
to
education
programs
and
that
in
school
that
already
are
doing
some
work
like
that
with
high
schools.
K
K
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
I'm,
very
excited
about
this
opportunity.
I
think
that
we're
in
a
operating
in
a
different
world
now
in
terms
of
how
our
city
is
going
to
continue
to
to
thrive,
we
aren't
going
to
necessarily
have
people
the
same
people
in
our
downtown
every
single
day,
Monday
through
Friday,
but
I.
Think
to
have
this
kind
of
commitment
from
this
type
of
organization
is
very
exciting
and
I
can
see
lots
of
opportunities
for
interaction
with
our
high
school
and
also
with
our
middle
schools.
C
Around
stem
issues
so
I'm,
the
the
the
sign,
is
fine
with
me:
I
think
it's
appropriate.
It's
it
it's
a
symbol
that
we
all
have
recognized
as
a
symbol
of
safety,
our
entire
life,
so
I'm,
a
very
big
yes
on
this.
Thank
you
thank.
A
You
councilmember
one
I
have
two
lights
on,
but
I
do
oh
I
have
councilman
Revel,
who
has
not
yet
spoken
so
go
to
councilman
ruvel.
M
Well,
I,
just
I
guess
want
to
Echo
council
member
wins
comments,
I
I
have
to
say:
I
didn't
really
know
that
much
about
Underwriters
Laboratories.
Until
you
talk
to
us
this
evening,
I
you're,
not
just
a
regular
tenant
who's,
just
going
to
be
occupying
office
space,
which
would
be
wonderful
but
by
the
kinds
of
work
you
do
and
the
I
think
the
really
great
benefits
and
impact
that
you
can
bring
to
Evanston
is
very
exciting
and
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
your
being
here,.
A
A
I'll
start
off
I'm
in
support
of
the
sign.
I
think
there
are
two
or
maybe
three
sides
here
where
one
side
just
does
not
fundamentally
believe
in
signage
and
our
in
our
Skyline
and
and
I
I
get
folks
who
feel
that
way.
Another
group
is
well
we're
fine
with
signage
as
long
as
it's
certain
companies
that
you
know
that
that
we
see
is
Honorable,
you
know
International
internationally
recognized
companies
really
respectable
companies,
and
you
guys
have
a
pretty
nice
design
for
your
sign.
A
I
think
there
need
to
be
certain
controls,
but
my
understanding
is
if
someone
were
to
own,
as
councilmember
Burns
pointed
out
the
second
floor
through
the
top
floor,
they'd
by
right
be
able
to
to
do
this
anyhow
and
I
think
it.
Maybe
we
just
need
to
adjust
our
code
to
address
the
concerns
the
council
member
Burns
brings
up
and
and
be
a
bit
more
flexible,
I.
Think
a
lot
of
other
communities
are
I.
A
Would
you
know
I
wouldn't
be
offended
by
saying
a
in
fact,
I'd
be
pretty
excited
to
walk
down
to
Evanston
and
see
the
Google
logo
atop
a
building
or
Berkshire
Hathaway
or
IBM
I
think
it
would
bring
some
you
know
some
some
Prestige
to
our
community,
but
showing
that
we're
able
to
attract
some
of
these
large
businesses.
On
the
other
hand,
I
also
am
not
excited
about
the
framing
of
why
we
should
be
doing
this
because
it
seems
as
though.
A
A
You
know,
pollute
or
litter
our
Skyline
with
signage.
That's
not
where
I
am,
but
I
do
think
that
from
this
we
really
need
to
update
our
code.
So
we
don't
have
a
scenario
where
we're
setting
a
precedent
that
someone
else
can
come
forward
and
say:
hey
well,
I
own,
the
top
three
floors
of
another
building.
Why
can't
I
put
signage
up
as
well
and
I
think
we
need
to
just
get
a
little
more
thorough
with
the
way
that
we
Define
this
ordinance?
H
I'll,
keep
it
brief
yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
point
out
again
going
to
welcome
you
all
to
Evanston.
It
is
very
exciting.
I
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that,
but
I
also
want
to
say
you
know
we
aren't
Northbrook.
This
is
Evanston
and
we
do
have
standards
and
and
expectations
and
I,
know
many
of
my
residents.
It's
not
even
so
much
about
large
signage
as
much
as
about
like
respecting
the
architecture,
so
I'm
speaking
from
that
perspective
and
I
I
do
wish.
H
You
know
that
you
could
go
back
to
your
trustees
and
and
explain
you
know
a
little
bit
about
Evanston
and
see
if
they
would
reconsider.
Again,
it's
gonna
be
wonderful
to
have
you
all
in
Evanston,
but
I
would
like
at
least
that
conversation
to
know
that
that
did
take
place,
and
this
is
precedent.
This
is
the
tallest
building.
So
of
course
it's
it's
great
to
be
able
to
for
you
all
to
put
that
on
the
top
of
the
building,
but
there
are
other
buildings
that
are
tall.
H
There
are
other
buildings
that
are
going
to
go
up
in
the
future
and
and
I'm
really
concerned
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
precedent.
That's
not
going
to.
You
know,
be
beneficial
for
our
Skyline
and
yes,
you
you
know
you
want
to
be.
You
are
distinct
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
you'll
have
sort
of
an
unfortunate
distinction
from
any
res
students
because
of
this
so
again
welcome
to
Evanston
I.
H
Just
ask
that
you
maybe
chat
a
little
bit
more
with
your
trustees
to
explain
the
situation
with
this
building
with
this,
this
significant
piece
of
architecture
in
our
downtown
and
and
to
reconsider.
As
you
know,
Chase
has
with
a
something
on
the
ground
floor.
So
that's
all.
A
Awesome
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
know
point
of
information
for
everyone,
so
we're
level
setting
that
this
is
currently
listed
for
introduction
in
action
and
I
guess:
I'll.
Let
councilmember
Newsome,
explain
that
and
I
think
it's
already
been
explained,
but
this
is
for
introduction
action,
so
we
may
not
have
the.
A
D
Cute
Mr,
chair,
I'll
I'll,
wrap
up
and
be
kind
of
brief
here,
and
it's
not
the
kind
of
benefit
the
council
member
Burns
was
talking
about,
but
in
much
the
same
way
that
UL
wants
to.
Let
people
know
that
they
are
in
Evanston.
It's
a
public
benefit
for
Evanston
for
people
to
know
that
UL
is
here.
D
Ul
is
you
know
the
the
quality
of
their
corporate
brand
coming
to
Evanston
is
going
to
help
attract
other
other
business
clients,
other
businesses
downsizing,
perhaps
from
their
downtown
Chicago
space.
Looking
for
more
Transportation,
accessible,
Transit
oriented
business
space
in
Evanston,
we
get
UL
it's
going
to
attract
more
businesses,
and
that
is
a
public
benefit
to
our
local
economy,
so
I'm
going
to
keep
it
I'll
wrap
it
up
there
and
let's,
let's
move
this
one
forward?
Okay,.
B
Can't
let
them
wrap
it
up
in
that
that
note,
but
I
agree
with
it,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
Is
that
I
think
part
of
being
a
good
Community
partner
is
understanding
this?
We
are
having
living
both
economic
and
Workforce
and
housing,
challenges
that
are
real
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
and
will
you
partner
with
us
to
tackle
that?
That's
the
question
and
I
think
that's
something
to
get
excited
about.
B
I,
think
that
can
help
boost
morale
even
within
your
organization,
to
let
UL
your
employees
at
UL
know
that
you're
not
only
just
coming
to
a
community
and
to
get
all
the
other
benefits
that
that
new
Smith
has
mentioned,
but
your
partner
for
us
to
really.
You
can
come
here
to
really
make
a
difference
on
the
workforce
front
too,
because
that
housing
component,
you
know
the
issue-
is
rising
costs
in
evidence
of
housing.
B
Sometimes
it's
frustrating
to
have
to
advocate
for
something
that
ultimately
I
think
is
going
to
make
your
your
company,
stronger
and,
and
so
I
think
putting
that
on
paper,
whether
it's
in
acknowledgment,
whether
it's
an
agreement,
I
think,
is
really
important,
but
I
support
the
sign.
I
support,
more
signs,
council
member,
he
said
Google,
let's
get
them
all,
but
again
it's
because
this
is
a
variance.
I
think
it
is
more
than
appropriate
to
talk
about
public
benefits
again,
ultimately,
public
benefits
that
will
make
your
company
stronger.
A
If
I
can
interject
and
I
certainly
want
to
hear
a
few
but
I
I
do
wonder:
if
we
can,
you
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
we're
not
obviously
gonna
have
some
public
benefits
agreement
negotiated
here
on
the
council
floor,
you
can
go
ahead
and
speak,
but
I
I
wonder
what
I'd
also
like
to
hear
on
top
of
the
answer
that
councilmember
Burns's
question,
so
we
can
just
wrap
this
up.
A
Is
you
know
there
are
five
members
here
physically
there's
one
member
here,
I'm
sorry,
there's
more
than
that
council
member
Kelly,
but
there's
five
that
I
think
are
clearly
in
support
here.
There's
six!
It
takes
five
votes
to
pass.
Something
on
Council
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
this
I,
wonder
if
you
know
if
we
didn't
move
this
for
introduction
and
actually
just
thrown
this
out
here
and
it's
very
clear
that
we
support
this.
You
can
go
back
to
your
board
and
say
the
City
of
Evanston
wants
us
here.
We
support
this.
N
N
It's
going
to
happen
by
the
nature
of
who
we
are
as
corporate
citizens
and
I
can
look
you
in
the
eye
with
great
confidence
that
my
boss,
who
I've
been
to
like
five
events
since
he's
hired
me
on
the
weekends
and
at
night,
he's
the
first
one
there
and
he's
contributing
to
the
Arts
and
to
stem
the
orchestra,
Ravinia
botanical,
gardens
disadvantaged
students,
Jim,
it's
graduates,
engineering
for
minorities
and
more.
We
don't
need
two
weeks
to
have
this
conversation.
It's
just
gonna
happen
because
I'm
not
gonna.
N
Rest,
if
it
doesn't
happen,
you'll
have
to
see
my
face.
I
was
on
the
elevator
coming
up
on
the
first
day
and
I
heard
somebody
talking
about
stem
and
I
took
out
my
card
and
I
said
sign
me
up
and
she
said:
yeah
we're
the
digital,
divas
and
I
said
well
I'm
a
digital
Diva
sign
me
up.
My
nerd
was
on.
This
is
who's
coming
to
the
neighborhood.
We
are
good
neighbors
and
we
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
neighborhood
we're
not
just
going
to
come
in
and
leave
we're
going
to
be
here.
N
Like
Dr
Brady
said,
I
call
him
Dr
Brady,
the
son
never
sets
on
us
we're
supporting
sir.
We
don't
need
two
weeks,
we're
gonna,
be
here
and
fully
fully
engaged
and
to
your
point,
councilman
newsman,
you're,
right,
we're
Tech,
other
Tech
is
gonna,
see.
Evanston
Evanston
is
going
to
reflect
the
work
that
is
done
here.
N
B
And
I
was
gonna,
say:
I,
don't
necessarily
knew
two
weeks
either
I'm
happy
to
support
this
I
just
think
we
should
pass
it
and
work
on
a
public
agreement
benefits
agreement
with
them,
and
if
there's
you
know
agreement
to
do
that
or
some
type
of
acknowledgment
councilman
news
would
just
hold
off
then
I
think
I
think
I
want
to
hear
it
from
them,
because
I
know
you
just
want
to
get
it
done,
you're
advocating
for
them.
You
want
to
get
a
pass
on
the
sand,
but
I'm,
seeing
something
different
in
them.
J
Not
at
all,
if
I
could
just
indulge
for
60
seconds,
a
couple
of
thoughts,
I
I
said
earlier
I
believe
strongly
that
Evanston
is
the
right
place
for
us
and
it's
not
just
because
I
grew
up
here
and
you
know:
I
have
eight
brothers
and
sisters
that
all
grew
up
in
Evanston
and
it's
because
I
want
us
to
have
a
Workforce
that
carries
UL
into
the
next
130
years
that
better
and
more
closely
resembles
the
world
we
live
in
and
we're
a
little
bit
self-selecting
in
Norfolk.
J
But
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
we
can't
get
higher
in
Northbrook
because
they
don't
have
a
way
to
get
there
and
I
love
the
idea
that
Evanston
you
can
get
here
on
the
L
I
used
to
take
the
Evanston
bus,
Central
Street
up
Sherman,
Avenue
I
could
get
to
a
concert
at
you
know
at
Northwestern,
I'm,
a
music
nut
and,
and
and
you
know
you
can
come
up
from
the
city
on
all
you
know
all
the
rail
systems
you
don't
just
have
to
take
Union
Station
and
we
mentioned
a
little
bit
partnership
with
Case
Western.
J
Well,
what
that
is
is
inner
city
kids
from
up
against
the
neighborhoods
in
Cleveland
we
bring
to
an
after-school
program
at
Case,
Western
UL
pays
for
it
and
it
shows
them
what
stem
career.
What
stem
is
what
science
is,
and
we
just
got
the
first
PhD
who
started
in
our
after
school
high
school
program,
I'm
deeply
involved
in
Crystal,
Ray,
San,
Martin,
High
School
in
in
Waukegan,
and
that's
a
work
study
model.
We
have
about
five
or
six
jobs
that
are
shared
by
four
students
each.
J
You
know
their
entry
level
jobs,
but
employers-
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
Crystal
Ray
model,
they're
about
40
of
them
now
around
the
country.
One
of
the
first
things
I
checked
is,
you
know,
is
this
still
on
the
route?
This
is
the
very
furthest
we
can
go
and
still
get
kids
from
Crystal
Ray,
where
San
Martin
we're
too
far
from
the
one
in
pills
and
are
from
Christ
the
King.
But
you
know
why
does
it
have
to
be?
You
know
again
I'm
going
to
get
myself
in
trouble.
Crystal
Ray.
J
We
could
do
a
similar
model
with
eths
and
have
student
interns
in
our
program.
I.
Think
an
acknowledgment
is
something
that's
easy
to
work
on.
I
would
worry
if
we're
trying
to
go
to
a
non-profit
Board
of
Trustees
and
say
you
know
we
have
to
have
a
contract,
because
no
no
other
city
or
town,
that's
trying
to
recruit
us
is
asking
for
a
contract,
but
this,
but
we
we
really
mean
what
we
say.
J
We
want
to
invest
in
Evanston
I
want
to
see
kids
after
school
kids
coming
to
our
space
and
learning
about
what
we
do.
We
we
can
bring
students
in
not
just
through
Crystal
Ray
model,
but
we
could
bring
kids
in
from
eths
from
Willard.
You
know,
maybe
that's
a
little
young,
but
we
we
can
get
kids.
We
want
to
be
a
good
citizen
here
in
Evanston.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
and
I
think
if
an
acknowledgment
is
all
we
can
do,
that's
fine
I,
think
my,
and
this
is
really
something
to
staff,
please,
because
so
we
don't
have
these
tense
moments.
This
is
something
I
really
think
should
be
baked
into
every
single
discussion
like
this
moving
forward.
I
think
I
might
even
have
a
referral
about
variances
and
public
benefits,
because
then
it
just
makes
it
a
lot
easier
and
we
don't
have
to
to
necessarily
do
this
all
from
the
floor,
because
I
would
have
loved
and
I'll
say
this
to
everybody.
B
I
have
that
that
is
making
these
type
of
requests.
It
would
have
been
great
to
have
those
conversations
with
eths
first
so
that
in
our
packet
today
we
could
have
seen
look.
We've
already
talked
about
this.
This
we're
confident
we
can
and
then
instead,
when
we
don't
get
that
now,
it's
it's
here's.
What
I
think
we
can
do
or
we
I'd
love
to
see
that
baked
into
these
type
of
requests
moving
forward
and
so
that
we
can.
B
You
know
review
that
in
our
packet
and
feel
more
confident
about
it
when
it
gets
to
the
floor
for
a
vote,
but
again
I'm
supportive
in
in
knowledgement.
If
that's
the
best,
we
can
do
I
think
that's
fine,
but
I
think
just
doing
that
that
work
that
deliberate
work
of
figuring
out
what
makes
sense
connecting
them
with
me,
acting
and
because
I
hear
I
heard
a
lot
of
Charity
stuff,
which
is
great,
but
charity
is
different
from
path
to
careers,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
that
those
are
different.
B
Charity
is
great,
but
there's
also
like
what
about
the
path
to
careers,
to
work
for
having
a
residents
so
that
they
can
afford
to
continue
to
afford
to
live
here
in
Evanston.
So
that's
all.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
with
that
no
further
lights,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
on
this
council
member
Kelly,
no
councilmember
newsma,
aye,
councilmember,
Burns,
aye,
council,
member
Revell,
aye,
council,
member
Heather,
cuddis
aye,
council
member
Winn
aye
and
myself
I.
D
A
No,
we
have
P3,
so
we
have
one
last
item.
Sorry
for
the
audience.
We
got
one
last
item
to
debate
and
then
we're
moving
on
to
council.
So
may
have
a
motion
on
item
P3
development
at
10
12
through
18
Church
Street,
previously
authorized
by
ordinance,
14
or
okay
14019..
We
have
a
motion
on
that.
So
move
move
my
councilman
seconded
by
council
member
Revell.
A
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
any
abstentions.
Look
at
that!
We
got
done
pretty
quick
that
last
item
all
right.
So
that
means
we
are
our
agenda
is
concluded
and
Council
will
start.
I,
don't
see
the
mayor
but
I'll
just
say
in
five
minutes.